@@kaskozhuk4158 also question, why does your denis deck run literally no light regen? Wont that be a problem eventually? You cant rely on emotion forever
@@Kiyokoghurt Actually, you can rely on emotion when it comes to that build. Since you can only really use Focus Fire once per scene anyways, you often don't run out of light once you get going, and Field Mods does a really good job remedying the light situation as well.
@@kaskozhuk4158 Doesn't Impuritas have like 9 + 1 + 5 + 1 = 16 Fights after Hana? (Not counting the 2 Realizations) Also surprised that the Brace Up + Clone + Sword of Volition Irina full light battery build isn't on here.
Super useful! Honestly I've beat the game and I still feel like I've never made an objectively good deck, so I've always been very interested in learning about deck building in the game!
I hope you decide to do more of these in the future, I've enjoyed your playthrough of LoR and I was glad to find out that you were still giving the game some much needed attention!
Danm I wanna see more of these guides there amazing maybe next on bleed, paralysed and burn? SMOKE!? Oh and a guide on how to get card and light up I’m always running out of card or never have any light to use them so a strat would be killer…also I don’t get counter cards (the golden thing)
Alright so... heres the best way I can talk about counter dice. So let's say one of your librarians uses Sharp nails (Emma's combat page). It has a counter dice in the form of a pierce counter. It is the only page you used and you are getting targeted by 2 guests. All of the red dice get used protecting against one of the two guests but you don't have anything to protect against the second person. This is where that Golden dice comes in, it acts as a defence for one sided attacks like this. The way it works is simple enough. Until either it is defeated or the attack that it is countering fails, it will keep recycling until it's vanish conditions are triggered.
I actually already have a Smoke guide, though it is missing a couple of passives and cards since it was made before a certain general invite got released. Card draw and light regen options expand as you play the game more, but just in general it's a good idea to have at least 2 of each in your deck at all times. The cool thing about discard is that card draw either doesn't matter or is way easier than every setup except for singleton.
I also ended up making quite a solid burning flash deck, with the discard passive and some draw you could cycle into burning flash every turn or every other turn, its a very interesting strat.
I don't really consider Burning Flash setups to be discard, per-se. I consider them to mostly be for Singular Strike decks, and I agree that they are quite powerful.
Thank you for making these man. I didn't know about this game till the gamepass release, but man, has it been a trip. I got to the ensemble, then was gonna watch just the entrance story, and then the game was like "You won't be able to do anything with the floors after this points, nor books, nor anything. Are you ready?" to which I took a somber look at my setups, said "Hell no." and promptly looked at your playthroughs, cause I couldn't wait. Too impatient. I guessed the general story, but the words of the play were still interesting, and I still plan to grasp the ending myself, but the urgency has let up.
Olivier Impugnato Ultima deck with Braceups and Stay Calms :3 It was just so freaking good in Reverb ensemble, that I used it for the toughest fights, and it worked out perfectly. Almost like a Fervid Emotions spam build on Malkuth floor. You just always have a lot of light, 7-8 pages at hand at any time, crazed HP restore because Best Choice, and Ultima as a main damage source, with trigrams and True Trigram formation being generally helpful to smoothen up any rough edge you may come across. One of my favourite endgame builds overall. The only thing that can make me not use him is if I want using his passive for 75% Boundary of Death meme build :D
OK, I'm gonna have to call you out on the Margin thing. It's pretty good if you build around it, as it can give you +1 light and +1 page almost every scene. It also pairs fantastically with "In Times Like These!" and I _think_ you might be able to pair it with Torn Off Wisdom for ridiculous amounts of light regen (I need to test this to make sure, though). Additionally, I'd say that running a Margin build is probably the _most consistent way of triggering the bonus effect of the E.G.O page "Nihil" in the entire game._
@@kaskozhuk4158 If it means I can inflict 4 Feeble, Disarm, Bind, _and_ Paralysis to all enemies 2 scenes in a row, I'll gladly take being able to only play 2 other pages each scene.
@@Flygoniaks Erm, Nihil doesn't inflict Paralysis. Also, I think you might have it confused with Void, which gives you Strength and Endurance for exhausting most of your deck. Nihil (it's called "Nix" now) is the one that requires the magical girl abno pages. Discard sets aren't really the fore-front of gaining emotion even after unlocking Final Stroke.
@@kaskozhuk4158 I think Flygoniaks is referring to the Nihil EGO Page, the 3 cost Mass Attack Page which inflict the debuffs for 2 scenes on use when you have no cards in your hand.
Sus contract also Margin is Lowkey still useful, all you have to do is run no draw and this is your draw also why not Curiosity? doesn't that also activate discard effects? i have Irina on Keter for that but that might change wether or not it does actually work with it
Curiosity does not count as discard in the code, which is why I didn't mention it. Also, 1 light and 1 page is a lot worse when you can get the same thing from both bottom deal and stacking the deck plus all the discard effects you get.
Something else to note about Margin is that it works with Brace Up too. Brace Up only draws at the start of the next scene, so if you discard your whole hand and use Brace Up Margin will still trigger.
@@seiun7833 I actually hadn't realized this, but it still isn't nearly as effective as using both Bottom Draw and Stacking the Deck, which give you the same bonus but have a much easier condition. Also, with when you get Brace Up in the game, it takes a long time between Urban Plague and Impuritas before it starts being usable again.
D I S C A R D My Harold discard build is 2 switcheroo 3 brace up, Impugnatio ultima 2 insurance coverage and true trigram formation For passives bring Hanafuda, singular strike and best choice
Huh. I just did the first Thumb reception... and failed it, but got some solid pages nonetheless. It didn't occur to me to slot Best Choice on my ranged nuggets, but that makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Sakura does have the niche use of getting guaranteed emotion points when its effect activates, but I do think it needs a buff. Having it boost the evade die would be nice. Come to think of it, Suspicious Contract _also_ has a higher emotion point profit on average than Insurance Coverage. Maybe weaker overall, but it _might_ have a use?
The problem with Suspicious Contract (and why I don't talk about it at all) is because you get it and can use it for the final boss *only*. On top of that, it serves the same purpose as a page you get earlier which has better use in combat.
If sakura discards 4+ you basically will have atleast 3 emotion coins . Does this makes it viable ? No ... but can be good with emotion coin builds ( Prob on Lowel with single point stabs )
Im curious is Roland a playable character through most of the game? I just really like his design and I know he gets a cool move set later in the game.
I want to say that you are wrong. Margin is the best choise for discarding, if you using less than 3 switchhero or another draw. If you add this passive to your Irina's page, remove switchhero completely, add Final Stroke and Impugnatio Ultima, change one flip the table on Insurance Coverage. You will get 3 cards draw and 3 lights per turn minimum, u could spam final stroke every turn, on high lvl emotion u can use it twice. Margin is broken af, but u need to learn h2p with this deck.
My counter to this is that you can only have a maximumof 2 pages in hand if Margin triggers (without the use of Brace Up) and also you can't use Final Stroke to its full capabilities since you aren't discarding anything with it. Plus, you're relying on RNG to have your good pages in hand in the first place. That and I consider having a full hand to be a far better boon than +1 Strength in the long run. There is a reason everyone runs Singleton decks after all, and it isn't for the power gain.
@@kaskozhuk4158 singleton is the bad answer, cause this is the most broken type of deck in the game. And with my deck u have about 10 or less percent to take bad cards. What's the point to use final stroke with the full hand, it gives you once +4 or +3 and then u get nothing. And to get this full hand with discard, u must use weak turns or even skip some.
@@pro_cap You discard enough to keep the same number of pages in hand, which is more consistent with Battle Ready and Skim Prescript. Whereas with your method you are stuck with whatever the game gives you rather than your entire deck. And also, 30 damage in a single hit is nothing to scoff at.
These decks are fine, but I hope PM removes full light restore system after emotion level rises entirely so users can realize how tight their deck's light management really is. Most decks people build are too unstable even for those who doesn't rely on RNG all the time like discard decks does.
Not entirely sure what you mean about the light restoration, but Discard has one of the lowest amount of randomness when built properly, since you draw 4 cards every turn instead of 1 or 2 with usual decks.
@@kaskozhuk4158oh. I was talking about the Full light restore after emotion level rises, but it seems i deadass forgot while typing💀 Also, doesn't most discard cards discard random cards disregarding the card type? I mean if you discard them all all the time like the stroke&decision deck does, it'll be fine tho but how about other decks?
Also, there are some builds you didn't mention like insurance & shock spam for Thumb decks can continuously keep spamming without lack of light when there's no more emotion to raise. Even tho you covered decks that can mostly finish off weak enemies before running out of light, I'm hoping someday you'll make a volume 2 vid for discard decks which covers for some more decks for endgame & long receptions/realizations
@@쥐왈왈왈왈왈 With the exception of one card from the Mirae Insurers, all discard pages discard only the lowest cost pages from the hand. This really only means anything for Focus Fire since most of the discard page effects are 0 or 1 cost in nature.
@@kaskozhuk4158 Is the translation for the effects different for Eng or whatever your native language is or me being high? In Korean its def written 'any' cards if you disregard Thumb pages or heavy pages that discard everything on your hand(meaning basically there's multiple cards that discards any card on your hand and that brings you to discarding essentials that keeps you up with discarding stuffs/or high utility cards that helps the cycle going, which makes the deck cycle/cycle speed dependent to RNG, even if the percentage is low)
![Is Dis your Card? (I'm sorry) [Limbus Company]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tPcYd7FBadw/mqdefault.jpg)
Surprised you didnt go into Impuritas tier discard decks, Impugnatio feels so good to use after all
It's good, but you get to use it for 2 receptions, so I didn't really feel it necessary
@@kaskozhuk4158 also question, why does your denis deck run literally no light regen? Wont that be a problem eventually? You cant rely on emotion forever
@@Kiyokoghurt Actually, you can rely on emotion when it comes to that build. Since you can only really use Focus Fire once per scene anyways, you often don't run out of light once you get going, and Field Mods does a really good job remedying the light situation as well.
@@kaskozhuk4158 Doesn't Impuritas have like 9 + 1 + 5 + 1 = 16 Fights after Hana? (Not counting the 2 Realizations) Also surprised that the Brace Up + Clone + Sword of Volition Irina full light battery build isn't on here.
@@psychocrysis2 well, in Reverb you can only use this build 3 times because page lock on each level
But 10 fights is still a lot :D
Super useful! Honestly I've beat the game and I still feel like I've never made an objectively good deck, so I've always been very interested in learning about deck building in the game!
I hope you decide to do more of these in the future, I've enjoyed your playthrough of LoR and I was glad to find out that you were still giving the game some much needed attention!
I *LOVE* deckbuilding guides!
Danm I wanna see more of these guides there amazing maybe next on bleed, paralysed and burn? SMOKE!? Oh and a guide on how to get card and light up I’m always running out of card or never have any light to use them so a strat would be killer…also I don’t get counter cards (the golden thing)
Alright so... heres the best way I can talk about counter dice. So let's say one of your librarians uses Sharp nails (Emma's combat page). It has a counter dice in the form of a pierce counter. It is the only page you used and you are getting targeted by 2 guests. All of the red dice get used protecting against one of the two guests but you don't have anything to protect against the second person. This is where that Golden dice comes in, it acts as a defence for one sided attacks like this. The way it works is simple enough. Until either it is defeated or the attack that it is countering fails, it will keep recycling until it's vanish conditions are triggered.
I actually already have a Smoke guide, though it is missing a couple of passives and cards since it was made before a certain general invite got released.
Card draw and light regen options expand as you play the game more, but just in general it's a good idea to have at least 2 of each in your deck at all times. The cool thing about discard is that card draw either doesn't matter or is way easier than every setup except for singleton.
@@themanwiththehatren7420 oh! A defence dice against one sided attacks I can see that, cool that helps thanks!
@@kaskozhuk4158 I see thanks and It’s actually thanks to your play through of the game I even got into this game so cool
I also ended up making quite a solid burning flash deck, with the discard passive and some draw you could cycle into burning flash every turn or every other turn, its a very interesting strat.
I don't really consider Burning Flash setups to be discard, per-se. I consider them to mostly be for Singular Strike decks, and I agree that they are quite powerful.
Thank you for making these man. I didn't know about this game till the gamepass release, but man, has it been a trip. I got to the ensemble, then was gonna watch just the entrance story, and then the game was like "You won't be able to do anything with the floors after this points, nor books, nor anything. Are you ready?" to which I took a somber look at my setups, said "Hell no." and promptly looked at your playthroughs, cause I couldn't wait. Too impatient. I guessed the general story, but the words of the play were still interesting, and I still plan to grasp the ending myself, but the urgency has let up.
Can't wait for the updated Smoke deck build
Good advise for Legend of ruina
10/10 bit in the first 30 seconds of the video
Olivier Impugnato Ultima deck with Braceups and Stay Calms :3
It was just so freaking good in Reverb ensemble, that I used it for the toughest fights, and it worked out perfectly. Almost like a Fervid Emotions spam build on Malkuth floor. You just always have a lot of light, 7-8 pages at hand at any time, crazed HP restore because Best Choice, and Ultima as a main damage source, with trigrams and True Trigram formation being generally helpful to smoothen up any rough edge you may come across. One of my favourite endgame builds overall. The only thing that can make me not use him is if I want using his passive for 75% Boundary of Death meme build :D
OK, I'm gonna have to call you out on the Margin thing. It's pretty good if you build around it, as it can give you +1 light and +1 page almost every scene. It also pairs fantastically with "In Times Like These!" and I _think_ you might be able to pair it with Torn Off Wisdom for ridiculous amounts of light regen (I need to test this to make sure, though).
Additionally, I'd say that running a Margin build is probably the _most consistent way of triggering the bonus effect of the E.G.O page "Nihil" in the entire game._
Update us when you do test it- it oughta be interesting.
Yeah, that could work.
But pay attention to how many dice slots you have compared to how many pages are in your hand.
@@kaskozhuk4158 If it means I can inflict 4 Feeble, Disarm, Bind, _and_ Paralysis to all enemies 2 scenes in a row, I'll gladly take being able to only play 2 other pages each scene.
@@Flygoniaks Erm, Nihil doesn't inflict Paralysis.
Also, I think you might have it confused with Void, which gives you Strength and Endurance for exhausting most of your deck. Nihil (it's called "Nix" now) is the one that requires the magical girl abno pages. Discard sets aren't really the fore-front of gaining emotion even after unlocking Final Stroke.
@@kaskozhuk4158 I think Flygoniaks is referring to the Nihil EGO Page, the 3 cost Mass Attack Page which inflict the debuffs for 2 scenes on use when you have no cards in your hand.
PLease Please PLEASE make video like these!!! its so useful for newcomers and LoR fan that can't read!
It's funny because I put a lot of text in these videos.
I'll try, but they take a long time to put together. This one took 2 weeks by itself.
In the name of Kiwi: Pog, garbage reveal
Sus contract
also Margin is Lowkey still useful, all you have to do is run no draw and this is your draw
also why not Curiosity? doesn't that also activate discard effects? i have Irina on Keter for that but that might change wether or not it does actually work with it
Ran best choice on Roland before keter got nerfed, it kinda worked
Curiosity does not count as discard in the code, which is why I didn't mention it.
Also, 1 light and 1 page is a lot worse when you can get the same thing from both bottom deal and stacking the deck plus all the discard effects you get.
Something else to note about Margin is that it works with Brace Up too. Brace Up only draws at the start of the next scene, so if you discard your whole hand and use Brace Up Margin will still trigger.
@@seiun7833 I actually hadn't realized this, but it still isn't nearly as effective as using both Bottom Draw and Stacking the Deck, which give you the same bonus but have a much easier condition. Also, with when you get Brace Up in the game, it takes a long time between Urban Plague and Impuritas before it starts being usable again.
D I S C A R D
My Harold discard build is 2 switcheroo 3 brace up, Impugnatio ultima 2 insurance coverage and true trigram formation
For passives bring Hanafuda, singular strike and best choice
You got '+Blunt only' on Switcheroo but it's actually a blunt and a slash.
I think it's nice you're going over the lesser known builds for beating LoR. I didn't even know discard had such a powerful hp regen haha.
Ah favorite card game. 52 card pickup.
Huh. I just did the first Thumb reception... and failed it, but got some solid pages nonetheless. It didn't occur to me to slot Best Choice on my ranged nuggets, but that makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Sakura does have the niche use of getting guaranteed emotion points when its effect activates, but I do think it needs a buff. Having it boost the evade die would be nice.
Come to think of it, Suspicious Contract _also_ has a higher emotion point profit on average than Insurance Coverage. Maybe weaker overall, but it _might_ have a use?
The problem with Suspicious Contract (and why I don't talk about it at all) is because you get it and can use it for the final boss *only*. On top of that, it serves the same purpose as a page you get earlier which has better use in combat.
Margin, Obsolete? Clearly someone never embraced the might that is OLGUN
the first 30 seconds were my fav part
0:13 what is bongbong doing there
Irina exclusive card + clones = 3 light regen for the party in one turn
Why not 4?
Library of Ruina's discard is way more simpler than Limbus Company's discard.
If sakura discards 4+ you basically will have atleast 3 emotion coins . Does this makes it viable ? No ... but can be good with emotion coin builds ( Prob on Lowel with single point stabs )
2* It doesn't boost the evade die
Fair , still not bad on some decks
nihil build go brrr
Im curious is Roland a playable character through most of the game? I just really like his design and I know he gets a cool move set later in the game.
He's available for almost every fight
I want to say that you are wrong. Margin is the best choise for discarding, if you using less than 3 switchhero or another draw. If you add this passive to your Irina's page, remove switchhero completely, add Final Stroke and Impugnatio Ultima, change one flip the table on Insurance Coverage. You will get 3 cards draw and 3 lights per turn minimum, u could spam final stroke every turn, on high lvl emotion u can use it twice. Margin is broken af, but u need to learn h2p with this deck.
My counter to this is that you can only have a maximumof 2 pages in hand if Margin triggers (without the use of Brace Up) and also you can't use Final Stroke to its full capabilities since you aren't discarding anything with it. Plus, you're relying on RNG to have your good pages in hand in the first place. That and I consider having a full hand to be a far better boon than +1 Strength in the long run. There is a reason everyone runs Singleton decks after all, and it isn't for the power gain.
@@kaskozhuk4158 singleton is the bad answer, cause this is the most broken type of deck in the game. And with my deck u have about 10 or less percent to take bad cards. What's the point to use final stroke with the full hand, it gives you once +4 or +3 and then u get nothing. And to get this full hand with discard, u must use weak turns or even skip some.
@@kaskozhuk4158 u will always have 3 cards in hand with margin. 1 draw, 1 from margin, 1 from bottom deal. Also, Times like this always works.
@@pro_cap Bottom Deal draws before Margin, so margin will not activate.
@@pro_cap You discard enough to keep the same number of pages in hand, which is more consistent with Battle Ready and Skim Prescript. Whereas with your method you are stuck with whatever the game gives you rather than your entire deck. And also, 30 damage in a single hit is nothing to scoff at.
are you telling me general invites actually serve a purpose? I’ve gotten all the way to star of the city and didn’t know that lmao
No blunt
Can high-cost pages whose original cost was reduced by some abnormality page be accidentally discarded by a page that discards a low-cost page?
Yes
@@kaskozhuk4158 dam, but thank you
Will field mods lower the cost of pages for the rest of the act?
yes it will
Ya is good play bruh....
*Idk it ;(*
These decks are fine, but I hope PM removes full light restore system after emotion level rises entirely so users can realize how tight their deck's light management really is. Most decks people build are too unstable even for those who doesn't rely on RNG all the time like discard decks does.
Not entirely sure what you mean about the light restoration, but Discard has one of the lowest amount of randomness when built properly, since you draw 4 cards every turn instead of 1 or 2 with usual decks.
@@kaskozhuk4158oh. I was talking about the Full light restore after emotion level rises, but it seems i deadass forgot while typing💀
Also, doesn't most discard cards discard random cards disregarding the card type? I mean if you discard them all all the time like the stroke&decision deck does, it'll be fine tho but how about other decks?
Also, there are some builds you didn't mention like insurance & shock spam for Thumb decks can continuously keep spamming without lack of light when there's no more emotion to raise. Even tho you covered decks that can mostly finish off weak enemies before running out of light, I'm hoping someday you'll make a volume 2 vid for discard decks which covers for some more decks for endgame & long receptions/realizations
@@쥐왈왈왈왈왈 With the exception of one card from the Mirae Insurers, all discard pages discard only the lowest cost pages from the hand. This really only means anything for Focus Fire since most of the discard page effects are 0 or 1 cost in nature.
@@kaskozhuk4158 Is the translation for the effects different for Eng or whatever your native language is or me being high? In Korean its def written 'any' cards if you disregard Thumb pages or heavy pages that discard everything on your hand(meaning basically there's multiple cards that discards any card on your hand and that brings you to discarding essentials that keeps you up with discarding stuffs/or high utility cards that helps the cycle going, which makes the deck cycle/cycle speed dependent to RNG, even if the percentage is low)