Spencer approached a band I used to play in offering to do a feature for like $300 or $400 a few years back. Our guitarist and I were down but our singer was adamant in not doing it so we didn't do it. Ice Nine Kills ended up blowing up not even a year later.
What may I ask was your singers reason(s) for being against it so strongly? Also it wasn't very clear from the post if you are still in the band and/or if you still speak to them. but if you do still talk how do they feel about that decision now? 🧡🦇 ~just curious.. OK just nosey 😹 sorry I *ne'er
And it could actually be more cohesive. sometimes when you get supergroups it’s not that great because naturally people have egos and their own ideas that they bring into it. Like, I remember being pumped for killer be killed and then it was just kinda meh.
Yeah shit if you are one of those musicians with a TH-cam channel that grew from doing covers or some other creative endeavor, you could write some crazy track like an Into the Hellfire, pay like 5k to get some of the industry best to record it, then put it up and pull thousands a month in adsense just from that video.
@@craftgarrett1 I live in a low income household and my parents rent doesnt even pass 1k, and even then they still struggle to pay the light bill sometimes. So to ME a grand is A LOT
@@Apollowram just because its alot to you doesnt mean its alot to everyone. These guys developed a skill that is now worth a value. Its supply and demand. Why would a guy sell himself short when he doesnt have to? So everytime i go to do a brick job i should say to myself well 1000 bucks is alot of money so ill just lose money and do it for half. Youre in low income housing because of that mindset
@@craftgarrett1 First you say "who thinks 1k is a lot" to "1k isn't a lot to everybody", which one is it? Don't know why you brought up the topic of the video since I didn't say anything about it (even though I agree musicians in the video should be getting paid for their craft) Plus, I'm still in high school, so I can't get a high paying job right now
Kellin has my respect for having his feature so affordable. He likes to work with up-and-coming talent, and will go out of his way to help promote smaller artists from his platform. Plus he’s cranking out a ton of them, if you’re making $900 a day, five days a week, that’s $230k a year JUST from features.
Honestly, even $7500 for Spencer is reasonable. If you have any reasonable song I bet the ROI of having Spencer on there for iTunes sales alone would pay that back.
@@skepticinall ink went up probably like 600k monthly listeners after Silver Scream 2 since the last time i paid attention to that like idk, 2 years ago, they blew up a ton
What Spencer is doing is EXACTLY what we do in the tattoo industry. The more painstakingly miserable a tattoo is to do the more our rate jumps up cuz it's better than just saying no. Might sound sleezy but it's why you work to build a brand, your name holds more value and gives you more options.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Smart man! I've always said to choose an artist you trust, then bring them something you both enjoy and you will always come out winning.
The really higher prices are probably from people who don't WANT to do a feature or don't NEED to do it or need the money, but that's how much it would cost for them to do it. Seems fair.
Agreed. Sometimes people think expensive features are only because the person is a douche. Some people don't want to do them but they finally give in and say, "Fine, you want my work, it's gonna cost this much."
Was gonna say the same thing. The cost probably isn’t like “this is what I’m worth”. It’s more “this is the $ amount at which I would take the time out of my life to do it”. The first guy is acting like this is their primary business and they want regular customers.
I’m actually surprised these are so low. It kinda makes me sad. How much would Kellin Quinn have charged 11 years ago? I mean probably 50 times as much. I want my genre to be super relevant again 😭
Yeah, people in bands crying about this also never pay anything for marketing and wonder why they’re “being zucced” on FB. Pay people. And also, I wish there was a way on FeaturedX to pay for a “band feature”, meaning, when you upload to Spotify you have a “feat. (Band name)” - that helps a ton with discoverability.
This 100%. Pay people or pay the time to knock on doors, hand out flyers, and struggle on the road to break your band. Most "musicians" aren't willing to do either.
I was slightly shocked at the Spencer Charnas price at first, but then after thinking more about it, it's not that shocking at all. I think your point is very valid where he probably does not want to do many of features, Ice Nine Kills is probably the busiest they have ever been as a band and to take time away from your main craft when you're at the peak of it all would need to be something really special. I also thought back to how many times I saw Spencer featured on some random carbon copy of the whole theatrical metalcore band style and he was like the only redeeming quality to the track, so he probably doesn't want spoil his image in some fashion or something like that.
Yeah. And he does the same on cameo. He's a busy man and I doubt he wants to do 1000s of features and cameos a day. And I mean he has a fiancee, people do wanna spend time with their family and friends
These prices are amazingly less than I expected by a wide margin. I was expecting 10s of thousands of dollars. Had no idea some of these guys are cheaper than a G-Shock watch.
I mean.. it's all about offer and demand at the end of the day.. imagine having someone like Oli Sykes or Corey Taylor selling a feature for 50 bucks.. every garage band in the world would be signing up for that shit, there's not enough hours in a day for that to work, ever. Even rejecting offers they would still have to hear the materials first.. It's expensive but the price kinda makes sense.
This site is pretty awesome and almost all these rates are great. I agree, Kellin Quinn’s rate is far far too low. Should probably more in line with Craig Mabbit.
I remember when I use to play in a Metal band 🎸 and we played shows with Ice Nine Kills and Sworn In and Attila and at best I got 5 bucks or played the show for free and that was 2011 and 2012! So this is a good thing for known underground musicians!
I actually looked up the requirements for the request and the artist must approve of the song before money is even handed off, which makes sense. This prevents the featured artist from wasting time on a track they shouldn't be on, and it prevents the band that requests this to lose out too hard. I'm sure Featured X keeps the processing fee, but all in all, this is a really intelligent business venture. What would be really cool is if they allowed smaller bands to select the region they're in and charge features that way it builds their local scene.
I mean just getting their name attached to your song is mega valuable. Also I wouldn't worry about the songs being bad, if the band has a budget of a 1k for these vocalists + whatever they're spending for production and mixing I'm sure the songs are at least decent
how do people feel entitled to features from artists who are so out of their league they would never organically cross paths with them? selling features is making collaborating MORE attainable not less
I've bought 2 (rap) features and i thought i got my money worth and would definitely do more in the future! Its always a good look when somebody whose also worked w them sees that. I dabble in metal tho so this is interesting lol
This is a business, and metal doesn't pay for shit unless your Metallica. I saw something about the lead singer of Born of Osiris doing features for under a grand...that's a goddamn steal. You're also paying for exposure and that's invaluable in an era when having a major name on a track could make your band. And also, these dudes mostly don't have regular day jobs and this is there only income. Don't like it? Get your shit together and make a name for yourself.
@@summeronio9751 Maybe that's because people balke at paying justifiable rates for things. That includes performances and the tickets to view those. cheap tickets and tshirts isn't enough to make an area viable so think of all the talent who go elsewhere to earn a living? The difference between metal fans and seventeen year old girls is where metal fans will buy a tshirt, they'll drop 15 bucks on it, a 17 year old girl will gladly drop 40. i know who I'm gonna try sell tshirts too
On the Josh Manuel option, for Perspective; my band paid £420 for a day of recording at the start of the month. $600 for the dude to play and mix his drum parts is dirt cheap considering it’s a pro drummer with his own studio setup as well
amazing prices from amazing musicians! Didn't knew the platform, and I found it amazing for what it is, simplifying and bringing bands to feats together, Also I was taking a look at the Photographer session to see how much I can charge next time. lol amazing professionals there too
We contracted Mac Smith from Krosis and Alterbeast for our track Can't Keep Up. It was by far the most we paid for a track and we are so happy. He was an amazing guy to work with, open to comments, quick and helpful. Would definitely do again cause he really brings something that we don't have.
Art demands a subjective price so people will either think it’s totally worth it or it’s not. Let market forces dictate as you say! Thanks Finn for more great stuff!
I'm sorry but you're 100 percent right on this. Like these guys are worth every penny especially Spencer. He's an absolutely amazing vocalist, writer and person.
I feel like paying someone you don't know personally, who has clout, to do a song with your band would risk a very dispassionate feature. Whereas features from artists who genuinely want to work together has a better chance of being something great. Some of the best feature I've seen in recent memory were LANDMVRKS singles for their recent album's deluxe edition. Or the several features BMTH has been doing. And yes, I know features are always paid in some way, but my point is about shelling out a ton a money for someone you don't know and could look at things like just a job instead of a genuine creative collaboration.
@@dantesinfernal Yea, my point is basically built around some people might be shit heads. But Finn makes a great point that nearly all the people on that site have the integrity to not be a shit head. I'd just worry if I was trying to get a feature, it could be half-assed
@@colling.7023 The artists get to choose which songs they want to do though. It also goes against them if they do a shitty job, just like any other creative job. When thinking of paying a graphic designer to make art for your project, do you sit there and worry about getting a half assed product because they aren’t personally invested in your brand? No, because the artist’s job is to make you a great marketing package/logo/whatever you hired them to do. If they do a bad job because they aren’t personally invested, why would anyone hire them? If you hire a vocalist to feature, and they even get to pick whether they participate or not, they’re going to do a good job on it because not only is it their literal job, but they know their name is going to be tied to that end product. I guess I don’t understand why you just assume these musicians are going to be lazy because they aren’t in your band? These guys aren’t the local musicians you’re used to. They’re professionals who have worked really hard to get where they are and have a reputation to uphold. I’m sorry for ranting, but it frustrates me that so many people view creative jobs like this differently than any other job and just assume the person has to be personally invested or they won’t try. I’m not personally invested in the company I work for, but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to show up and do a good job. Same goes for the musicians offering their services on the site.
For $800, you can have a guy who sings in a band that I've heard of, despite not listening to this genre AT ALL, sing on your record. Seriously, seems pretty damn reasonable to me.
What about bigger bands who get features from these same type of vocalists? Like, Courtney LaPlante has featured on about 100 metalcore songs in the last couple years, but most of those are bands who are already fairly well known. In that situation does the label pay for the feature? Or do they know the song will make enough that their cut of the royalties would be enough?
if i'm not mistaken they usually cowrite the parts so they get some royalties too and thats the label that pays for it, to record and write usually its up to the artist, for example if bmth asked spencer to write a song with them i doubt he would charge 7k or even charge at all
LOVE your last point! I didn’t start getting paid until I was charging more than what made me comfortable. As soon as I charged what I’d really like to get and what I think I’m really worth, people started hiring me because they knew I was a professional. It was almost immediate.
12:17 I received a quote for a feature from Courtney in 2018 for 300 without writing and 400 with writing. It was a missed opportunity because she was certainly worth that then, and worth whatever she is currently asking now.
$800 for Kellin Quinn is a steal, given how popular every artist he collabs with usually gets. I've discovered at least 4 new artists I like because of a Kellin Quinn feature
The overpricing to NOT get work extends out of the creative sphere. My step father is a busy tradesman and will give quotes for anything that is going to be horrible way, way over what he’s normally charge. Gotta make it worth your while if it’s gonna suck.
Damn 500 for a "professional" "known" musician vocals... thats like almost free quality vocals, sounds like smart investment . He probably has good mic and room where he records. I hope he won´t just send you a phone recording. Anyway there were very reasonable price.
If I had the money and I had a band I think all of these are fair, and I think getting one of the higher end ones like All That Remains, Escape the Fate, Ice Nine Kills, etc. can get you more into the mainstream.
How can anyone be mad at this? These are extremely reasonable prices for some of the biggest names in metal. Imagine being in the hip hop game and trying to get a feature by...well...anyone unless you've got like 10k right off the bat.
I will never forget my animation lecturer coming down on me for charging too low for art comissions (I was charging roughly $10) last year. A few weeks ago he had a lecture on how to make a living and get a job in the animation and art industry and the ups and downs that entails. He also mentioned how employers will try and cheat you out of paying full. The fact that this came up pretty much reaffirms it. I may disagree with you on many things involving metal, but I will agree with you on the idea of artists getting compensated.
This is so cool! Collabing with a person who can write quality shit, then lay down a killer track. It’s totally worth the money. Playing a dude $5,000 to promote it too. Like come on if the song is great and your other stuff holds up, that’s a great way to get introduced to a new audience. Just brilliant marketing all around and great for musicians to get paid what they deserve.
These artists have spent time and money building their brand and creating their value. So they are not only charging for the 5 hours of writing and recording, they are charging for all the work they put in to get to wherever they are.
I actually think some of the bigger features we’ve seen in the last couple of years between larger scene artists might have actually come about because of this website. Like I think it’s also a good way for bigger artists who may have wanted a feature from one of these guys but were to scared to ask because they didn’t know them to get a feature.
What Featured X does is so great! I mean, unless you have some sort of name or know somebody, the chances of getting in contact with someone with a big name to feature on your song is so low. I mean, if you look at larger artists that have featurings, it's always someone they've toured with a lot or they're on the same label or something along those lines. Featured X helps to bring new artists up and connect them with larger artists to grow and learn from, whilst also giving recognition and paying these artists who have worked their butt off for years in the scene. They deserve to charge thousands of bucks to write and record, and, like you said, some of these prices are even too low!
Damn, I didn't know about this. That's actually pretty cool that this service exists. 🤘🤘 I agree Finn, complaining about the pricing is hilarious to me. It's not like they -have- to do this, and they have some big name recognition. As a nobody, getting the chance to even hire them at all is a privilege.
Something with the pricing too is that from those I know locally who pay for features, they get a FULLY PRODUCED vocal feature that can literally be dropped into the project and that alone is worth hundreds of dollars. All the takes, the mixing, the added production to make it “sound” like the artist. The haters seem to assume Kellie is just gonna whip out his found and voice memo someone something for 800 bucks. Honestly I’d still pay for that (my case being Caleb shomo feature on thicc thiccly)
Mate of mine is an electrician and works for quite a well known company, every now and then he does some private work.. same thing here. More power to them I say.
Also, there is one thing I feel really strongly I feel about in life: never complain about the price of art… in any form. Don’t like the price then move on. End of story.
That price for Phil from All that Remains is more than fair. Especially right now because their current tour has brought them back into the metalcore fans consciousness
I remember like 2009 to 2012, it felt like Jonny Craig was featured on a song by every band in the scene at one point and a lot of them ended up being successful songs, at least initially. So, yeah, having a Craig Mabbit, CJ, or hell, even an AJ Channer is going to bring in a lot of eyes. You'd likely be paying near the same amount in marketing/advertising that same song would've gotten with any of them as a feature.
Kia from Conquer Divide is on here. I love that band! I wish they'd release their second album already, but I'd pay 750 to get Kia on one of my tracks, with her writing her parts. It would be interesting to hear her sing over some straight Hip Hop.
If an artist charges dirt-rate for features, how genuinely cool and interesting would the feature be, considering they may also have the same style of feature on dozens upon dozens of songs? It makes sense why they would charge so much, it weeds out the chaff.
As a drummer, I would totally do this, if I had the resume/clout (which I do not). It's like a modern punk/diy way of becoming a cool, old-school session cat like Steve Gadd or Billy Cobham.
A part of me feels like that artists should collab cause they have a creative idea, or connect on a certain level. And than just share royalties of the end result. This way its almost strickly business instead of art. But i do understand this website. Its just common sense that artists get payed for their work. And its a great way for new artists to get in contact and benefit from the cloud of a bigger name.
I’m going to be totally honest, this is about vocalists knowing their worth. Regardless of the size of the band getting the feature the singers still need to get their fair share
I've become friends with a couple of the prominent rappers from around the Toronto area, and a few of them have reached out to rappers bigger than them asking for features and have been told it would cost $15,000 - $20,000 for one verse, so these prices are amazingly reasonable lol
Like bruh, whatever you have to pay Spencer to get a feature for the name value alone is worth. Man has a rabid fan base who’ll listen to whatever he puts out
Another thing to consider is that a lot of these musicians are on tour for upwards of 6-8 months out of the year, so when you request a feature, you're taking away time from them that they'd otherwise be using to spend time with their families, writing a new album with their band, or other business ventures. I feel like this Randy guy would be the same type of individual who'd complain about a really high end software engineer charging hundreds of dollars an hour to build a website/app for a small business. There are only so many hours in a day, so these artists have to make sure they're being adequately compensated for their time.
I think so many people forget a good amount maybe even most the people on this site music is there JOB not just just a hobby or a part time thing. Music business is exactly that. A BUSINESS
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Spencer approached a band I used to play in offering to do a feature for like $300 or $400 a few years back. Our guitarist and I were down but our singer was adamant in not doing it so we didn't do it. Ice Nine Kills ended up blowing up not even a year later.
*insert image of rocks making the oof face*
@@PotartOnYT Right!? 😅🤣
That's an oof if I've ever heard one. I got a high five from Spencer a few years ago at a show. I can't imagine turning down him doing a song with you
@@sicknasty3565 Yeah definitely one of the biggest mistakes we ever made
What may I ask was your singers reason(s) for being against it so strongly?
Also it wasn't very clear from the post if you are still in the band and/or if you still speak to them. but if you do still talk how do they feel about that decision now?
🧡🦇
~just curious.. OK just nosey 😹 sorry I *ne'er
For a few thousand bucks, you can make your very own all star band if you're a good songwriter
That’s a very interesting idea.
And it could actually be more cohesive. sometimes when you get supergroups it’s not that great because naturally people have egos and their own ideas that they bring into it. Like, I remember being pumped for killer be killed and then it was just kinda meh.
Yeah shit if you are one of those musicians with a TH-cam channel that grew from doing covers or some other creative endeavor, you could write some crazy track like an Into the Hellfire, pay like 5k to get some of the industry best to record it, then put it up and pull thousands a month in adsense just from that video.
Like fantasy football but fantasy band line up
This sounds like the next evolution of "I paid people on fiverr to make me a album" videos
That explains why Kellin Quinn is featured on everyone's songs now.
People are actually mad musicians are trying to make rent money?
What the hell?
As usual lol
That isnt even alot to be asking for that lol. Are most metal fans poor? Who thinks a grand is alot of money lol
@@craftgarrett1 I live in a low income household and my parents rent doesnt even pass 1k, and even then they still struggle to pay the light bill sometimes. So to ME a grand is A LOT
@@Apollowram just because its alot to you doesnt mean its alot to everyone. These guys developed a skill that is now worth a value. Its supply and demand. Why would a guy sell himself short when he doesnt have to? So everytime i go to do a brick job i should say to myself well 1000 bucks is alot of money so ill just lose money and do it for half. Youre in low income housing because of that mindset
@@craftgarrett1 First you say "who thinks 1k is a lot" to "1k isn't a lot to everybody", which one is it?
Don't know why you brought up the topic of the video since I didn't say anything about it (even though I agree musicians in the video should be getting paid for their craft)
Plus, I'm still in high school, so I can't get a high paying job right now
Kellin has my respect for having his feature so affordable. He likes to work with up-and-coming talent, and will go out of his way to help promote smaller artists from his platform. Plus he’s cranking out a ton of them, if you’re making $900 a day, five days a week, that’s $230k a year JUST from features.
Honestly, even $7500 for Spencer is reasonable. If you have any reasonable song I bet the ROI of having Spencer on there for iTunes sales alone would pay that back.
InK is huge right now too. That's something to consider as well.
Having him might get your song played on Octane, and that might make a big difference for your band.
@@skepticinall ink went up probably like 600k monthly listeners after Silver Scream 2 since the last time i paid attention to that like idk, 2 years ago, they blew up a ton
What Spencer is doing is EXACTLY what we do in the tattoo industry. The more painstakingly miserable a tattoo is to do the more our rate jumps up cuz it's better than just saying no. Might sound sleezy but it's why you work to build a brand, your name holds more value and gives you more options.
I always get a discount on tattoos simply because I try my best to not be annoying
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Smart man! I've always said to choose an artist you trust, then bring them something you both enjoy and you will always come out winning.
HOLY SHIT everyone on this channel should crowd fund a super group
" I'll pay Kellin Quinn 800 bucks to sing at my kid's bday party " Had me dying XD
I love this platform and have even hired Ryo for a song that made such a huge difference. It was worth every cent.
I'm glad you commented because your stuff fucking slaps dude.
@@AlmightyJ97 dude thank you! I'm surprised you've heard my stuff haha that means a lot!
@@MilitantMe I hadn't before but I checked it out because of your comment. I'll definitely listen to more of it when I have some more time to spare.
It’s sad that he had to quit Crystal Lake. No disrespect to the first singer but Ryo was easily the best fit for the band. Srsly.
You're awesome. Subscribed and also will check out more!
The really higher prices are probably from people who don't WANT to do a feature or don't NEED to do it or need the money, but that's how much it would cost for them to do it. Seems fair.
Agreed. Sometimes people think expensive features are only because the person is a douche. Some people don't want to do them but they finally give in and say, "Fine, you want my work, it's gonna cost this much."
Was gonna say the same thing. The cost probably isn’t like “this is what I’m worth”. It’s more “this is the $ amount at which I would take the time out of my life to do it”.
The first guy is acting like this is their primary business and they want regular customers.
I’m actually surprised these are so low. It kinda makes me sad. How much would Kellin Quinn have charged 11 years ago? I mean probably 50 times as much. I want my genre to be super relevant again 😭
Kellin Quinn will ALWAYS be relevant!
Me too. Heard of the Cozy Representative? Check him out on here
Spencer has seemingly featured on about 400 songs in the past year, so $7500 apparently isn't too high at all.
He doesn't ask the same for everyone.
7500 is for bands who have no edge.
This is an interesting concept, because artists can LITERRALLY define what they think they are worth.
I mean most business deals literally define what X person thinks Y is worth.
Literally any person who charges for a service decides what they are worth lol
Yeah, people in bands crying about this also never pay anything for marketing and wonder why they’re “being zucced” on FB. Pay people.
And also, I wish there was a way on FeaturedX to pay for a “band feature”, meaning, when you upload to Spotify you have a “feat. (Band name)” - that helps a ton with discoverability.
This 100%. Pay people or pay the time to knock on doors, hand out flyers, and struggle on the road to break your band. Most "musicians" aren't willing to do either.
If you self produced an instrumental album and then dropped like $6K on brand name vocalists, you could have a pretty cool album to release.
I was slightly shocked at the Spencer Charnas price at first, but then after thinking more about it, it's not that shocking at all. I think your point is very valid where he probably does not want to do many of features, Ice Nine Kills is probably the busiest they have ever been as a band and to take time away from your main craft when you're at the peak of it all would need to be something really special. I also thought back to how many times I saw Spencer featured on some random carbon copy of the whole theatrical metalcore band style and he was like the only redeeming quality to the track, so he probably doesn't want spoil his image in some fashion or something like that.
Yeah. And he does the same on cameo. He's a busy man and I doubt he wants to do 1000s of features and cameos a day. And I mean he has a fiancee, people do wanna spend time with their family and friends
These prices are amazingly less than I expected by a wide margin. I was expecting 10s of thousands of dollars. Had no idea some of these guys are cheaper than a G-Shock watch.
NO WONDER Kellin Quinn is on every song these days!
He’s smart af to be honest. He’s marketing lol
I mean.. it's all about offer and demand at the end of the day.. imagine having someone like Oli Sykes or Corey Taylor selling a feature for 50 bucks.. every garage band in the world would be signing up for that shit, there's not enough hours in a day for that to work, ever. Even rejecting offers they would still have to hear the materials first.. It's expensive but the price kinda makes sense.
This site is pretty awesome and almost all these rates are great. I agree, Kellin Quinn’s rate is far far too low. Should probably more in line with Craig Mabbit.
I remember when I use to play in a Metal band 🎸 and we played shows with Ice Nine Kills and Sworn In and Attila and at best I got 5 bucks or played the show for free and that was 2011 and 2012! So this is a good thing for known underground musicians!
The real question I have after this is how much would it cost to have Finn featured on a song?
drink from an almost empty slurpee and slow it down to get those filthy slam gutturals
22$
The price is writing a cool song
Way out of my price range
I actually looked up the requirements for the request and the artist must approve of the song before money is even handed off, which makes sense. This prevents the featured artist from wasting time on a track they shouldn't be on, and it prevents the band that requests this to lose out too hard. I'm sure Featured X keeps the processing fee, but all in all, this is a really intelligent business venture.
What would be really cool is if they allowed smaller bands to select the region they're in and charge features that way it builds their local scene.
I’m actually impressed by how affordable some of these features are
I mean just getting their name attached to your song is mega valuable. Also I wouldn't worry about the songs being bad, if the band has a budget of a 1k for these vocalists + whatever they're spending for production and mixing I'm sure the songs are at least decent
I wonder how much a feature from both Warren G and Kenny G. Not many people know they are related. We got to bring them together in song!
how do people feel entitled to features from artists who are so out of their league they would never organically cross paths with them? selling features is making collaborating MORE attainable not less
Spencer is the man. Their early stuff is fantastic.
I've bought 2 (rap) features and i thought i got my money worth and would definitely do more in the future! Its always a good look when somebody whose also worked w them sees that. I dabble in metal tho so this is interesting lol
This is a business, and metal doesn't pay for shit unless your Metallica.
I saw something about the lead singer of Born of Osiris doing features for under a grand...that's a goddamn steal. You're also paying for exposure and that's invaluable in an era when having a major name on a track could make your band.
And also, these dudes mostly don't have regular day jobs and this is there only income.
Don't like it? Get your shit together and make a name for yourself.
In fairness, the scene did, in times of duress, return to all the piss poor fools we were during COVID all that we did for it
@@gavxmas oh c'mon, you're acting like the scene hasn't been hanging by the skin of it's teeth for the past 20 years.
@@summeronio9751 Maybe that's because people balke at paying justifiable rates for things. That includes performances and the tickets to view those. cheap tickets and tshirts isn't enough to make an area viable so think of all the talent who go elsewhere to earn a living? The difference between metal fans and seventeen year old girls is where metal fans will buy a tshirt, they'll drop 15 bucks on it, a 17 year old girl will gladly drop 40. i know who I'm gonna try sell tshirts too
@@gavxmas preach
On the Josh Manuel option, for Perspective; my band paid £420 for a day of recording at the start of the month. $600 for the dude to play and mix his drum parts is dirt cheap considering it’s a pro drummer with his own studio setup as well
Seems like a cool way to connect with people you're a fan of, and even get to work on shit creatively.
amazing prices from amazing musicians! Didn't knew the platform, and I found it amazing for what it is, simplifying and bringing bands to feats together, Also I was taking a look at the Photographer session to see how much I can charge next time. lol amazing professionals there too
We contracted Mac Smith from Krosis and Alterbeast for our track Can't Keep Up. It was by far the most we paid for a track and we are so happy. He was an amazing guy to work with, open to comments, quick and helpful. Would definitely do again cause he really brings something that we don't have.
Art demands a subjective price so people will either think it’s totally worth it or it’s not. Let market forces dictate as you say! Thanks Finn for more great stuff!
Agree. I was surprised how low some of them priced themselves tbh. Hopefully this results in some nice extra income for these artists.
I'm sorry but you're 100 percent right on this. Like these guys are worth every penny especially Spencer. He's an absolutely amazing vocalist, writer and person.
I feel like paying someone you don't know personally, who has clout, to do a song with your band would risk a very dispassionate feature. Whereas features from artists who genuinely want to work together has a better chance of being something great. Some of the best feature I've seen in recent memory were LANDMVRKS singles for their recent album's deluxe edition. Or the several features BMTH has been doing. And yes, I know features are always paid in some way, but my point is about shelling out a ton a money for someone you don't know and could look at things like just a job instead of a genuine creative collaboration.
@@dantesinfernal Yea, my point is basically built around some people might be shit heads. But Finn makes a great point that nearly all the people on that site have the integrity to not be a shit head. I'd just worry if I was trying to get a feature, it could be half-assed
@@colling.7023 The artists get to choose which songs they want to do though. It also goes against them if they do a shitty job, just like any other creative job. When thinking of paying a graphic designer to make art for your project, do you sit there and worry about getting a half assed product because they aren’t personally invested in your brand? No, because the artist’s job is to make you a great marketing package/logo/whatever you hired them to do. If they do a bad job because they aren’t personally invested, why would anyone hire them? If you hire a vocalist to feature, and they even get to pick whether they participate or not, they’re going to do a good job on it because not only is it their literal job, but they know their name is going to be tied to that end product. I guess I don’t understand why you just assume these musicians are going to be lazy because they aren’t in your band? These guys aren’t the local musicians you’re used to. They’re professionals who have worked really hard to get where they are and have a reputation to uphold. I’m sorry for ranting, but it frustrates me that so many people view creative jobs like this differently than any other job and just assume the person has to be personally invested or they won’t try. I’m not personally invested in the company I work for, but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to show up and do a good job. Same goes for the musicians offering their services on the site.
@@colling.7023 I'm sure the money goes into an escrow. So it can be disputed by either party if something comes up.
For $800, you can have a guy who sings in a band that I've heard of, despite not listening to this genre AT ALL, sing on your record. Seriously, seems pretty damn reasonable to me.
What about bigger bands who get features from these same type of vocalists? Like, Courtney LaPlante has featured on about 100 metalcore songs in the last couple years, but most of those are bands who are already fairly well known. In that situation does the label pay for the feature? Or do they know the song will make enough that their cut of the royalties would be enough?
Most likely the label pays. If they’re on a big enough label
if i'm not mistaken they usually cowrite the parts so they get some royalties too and thats the label that pays for it, to record and write usually its up to the artist, for example if bmth asked spencer to write a song with them i doubt he would charge 7k or even charge at all
Craig Mabbit was also the og vocalist of the word alive
He also screamed…at me for getting his order wrong at subway
The most relatable part of this video was finn saying "my nose hairs grow like a caveman".
I felt that.
LOVE your last point! I didn’t start getting paid until I was charging more than what made me comfortable. As soon as I charged what I’d really like to get and what I think I’m really worth, people started hiring me because they knew I was a professional. It was almost immediate.
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12:17 I received a quote for a feature from Courtney in 2018 for 300 without writing and 400 with writing. It was a missed opportunity because she was certainly worth that then, and worth whatever she is currently asking now.
I love to see artists getting their bag from services like this, platforms that actually support the artists .
$800 for Kellin Quinn is a steal, given how popular every artist he collabs with usually gets. I've discovered at least 4 new artists I like because of a Kellin Quinn feature
Yo, this is wild y'all still blowing my post up 🤣🤣🤣🤣
i want people to like hire some completely random group of people to do a collab this way.
The overpricing to NOT get work extends out of the creative sphere.
My step father is a busy tradesman and will give quotes for anything that is going to be horrible way, way over what he’s normally charge.
Gotta make it worth your while if it’s gonna suck.
Randy makes a shitpost and an entire community cries. Priceless.
It’s awesome 😂
Who is Randy?
Damn 500 for a "professional" "known" musician vocals... thats like almost free quality vocals, sounds like smart investment . He probably has good mic and room where he records. I hope he won´t just send you a phone recording. Anyway there were very reasonable price.
anyone who knows Kellin Quinn needs to call him and get him to up his rate. He is worth way more than $800 a feature
If I had the money and I had a band I think all of these are fair, and I think getting one of the higher end ones like All That Remains, Escape the Fate, Ice Nine Kills, etc. can get you more into the mainstream.
How can anyone be mad at this? These are extremely reasonable prices for some of the biggest names in metal. Imagine being in the hip hop game and trying to get a feature by...well...anyone unless you've got like 10k right off the bat.
I will never forget my animation lecturer coming down on me for charging too low for art comissions (I was charging roughly $10) last year. A few weeks ago he had a lecture on how to make a living and get a job in the animation and art industry and the ups and downs that entails. He also mentioned how employers will try and cheat you out of paying full. The fact that this came up pretty much reaffirms it. I may disagree with you on many things involving metal, but I will agree with you on the idea of artists getting compensated.
Hahaha! Let's fucking put Randy on blast like, "WTF??? Who pays him that much money?" 😂😂😂😂 Finn, I love you, dude!
The President of Metalcore HAS SPOKEN!!
This is so cool! Collabing with a person who can write quality shit, then lay down a killer track. It’s totally worth the money. Playing a dude $5,000 to promote it too. Like come on if the song is great and your other stuff holds up, that’s a great way to get introduced to a new audience. Just brilliant marketing all around and great for musicians to get paid what they deserve.
These artists have spent time and money building their brand and creating their value. So they are not only charging for the 5 hours of writing and recording, they are charging for all the work they put in to get to wherever they are.
I actually think some of the bigger features we’ve seen in the last couple of years between larger scene artists might have actually come about because of this website. Like I think it’s also a good way for bigger artists who may have wanted a feature from one of these guys but were to scared to ask because they didn’t know them to get a feature.
I think it's a great idea. Even at the prices asked it's cool to have a chance at having one of your fav artists on a song.
What Featured X does is so great! I mean, unless you have some sort of name or know somebody, the chances of getting in contact with someone with a big name to feature on your song is so low. I mean, if you look at larger artists that have featurings, it's always someone they've toured with a lot or they're on the same label or something along those lines.
Featured X helps to bring new artists up and connect them with larger artists to grow and learn from, whilst also giving recognition and paying these artists who have worked their butt off for years in the scene.
They deserve to charge thousands of bucks to write and record, and, like you said, some of these prices are even too low!
This is exactly what I was hoping for, good stuff sir!
Thank you!
A manscape sponsor for a deathcore themed video. Bold!!
I definitely expect those prices to change once artists start comparing each others' pricing
I remember back in 2008 we got Adam Cody from glass casket on one of our songs for free. Super cool guy just loves music.
I know Randy personally. He's a good guy.
That's pretty far from true actually 🤔🤔
It would be so sick to put 100k into this to create an Allstar LP. My mouth is watering at the possibilities 🤤
At first I thought some of these prices were high, but by the end of the video I absolutely agree with your final statement
I don’t think 7500 is too much for Spencer. He is one of the most incredible vocalists in metalcore it’s pretty fair
Hell yeah dude I’d pay it
Damn, I didn't know about this. That's actually pretty cool that this service exists. 🤘🤘 I agree Finn, complaining about the pricing is hilarious to me. It's not like they -have- to do this, and they have some big name recognition. As a nobody, getting the chance to even hire them at all is a privilege.
Something with the pricing too is that from those I know locally who pay for features, they get a FULLY PRODUCED vocal feature that can literally be dropped into the project and that alone is worth hundreds of dollars. All the takes, the mixing, the added production to make it “sound” like the artist. The haters seem to assume Kellie is just gonna whip out his found and voice memo someone something for 800 bucks. Honestly I’d still pay for that (my case being Caleb shomo feature on thicc thiccly)
Mate of mine is an electrician and works for quite a well known company, every now and then he does some private work.. same thing here.
More power to them I say.
Kellin needs to increase his price. I’ve even seen him share several of the songs he has been featured on, on his Instagram.
Also, there is one thing I feel really strongly I feel about in life: never complain about the price of art… in any form. Don’t like the price then move on. End of story.
"When the Facebook comments are reasonable that's when you know it's bad"
Sheesh, did that man dirty
As a member if the "djent shitposting" group. I absolutely love you and your content ❤️
That price for Phil from All that Remains is more than fair. Especially right now because their current tour has brought them back into the metalcore fans consciousness
I remember like 2009 to 2012, it felt like Jonny Craig was featured on a song by every band in the scene at one point and a lot of them ended up being successful songs, at least initially. So, yeah, having a Craig Mabbit, CJ, or hell, even an AJ Channer is going to bring in a lot of eyes. You'd likely be paying near the same amount in marketing/advertising that same song would've gotten with any of them as a feature.
Kia from Conquer Divide is on here. I love that band! I wish they'd release their second album already, but I'd pay 750 to get Kia on one of my tracks, with her writing her parts. It would be interesting to hear her sing over some straight Hip Hop.
For a decent amount we could just do a Woe, Is Me/Issues superband.
I’m in
If I had the 7500 for Spencer from INK.... I have like 3 tracks lined up and pay him for each. That would be bonkers!
If an artist charges dirt-rate for features, how genuinely cool and interesting would the feature be, considering they may also have the same style of feature on dozens upon dozens of songs? It makes sense why they would charge so much, it weeds out the chaff.
As a drummer, I would totally do this, if I had the resume/clout (which I do not). It's like a modern punk/diy way of becoming a cool, old-school session cat like Steve Gadd or Billy Cobham.
Time to start saving for that Phil Labonte feature and promo
whoever said “how many subs to get a zillow stream” in the twitch chat, that shit cracked me up
A part of me feels like that artists should collab cause they have a creative idea, or connect on a certain level.
And than just share royalties of the end result.
This way its almost strickly business instead of art.
But i do understand this website.
Its just common sense that artists get payed for their work. And its a great way for new artists to get in contact and benefit from the cloud of a bigger name.
I’m going to be totally honest, this is about vocalists knowing their worth. Regardless of the size of the band getting the feature the singers still need to get their fair share
I've become friends with a couple of the prominent rappers from around the Toronto area, and a few of them have reached out to rappers bigger than them asking for features and have been told it would cost $15,000 - $20,000 for one verse, so these prices are amazingly reasonable lol
Like bruh, whatever you have to pay Spencer to get a feature for the name value alone is worth. Man has a rabid fan base who’ll listen to whatever he puts out
Another thing to consider is that a lot of these musicians are on tour for upwards of 6-8 months out of the year, so when you request a feature, you're taking away time from them that they'd otherwise be using to spend time with their families, writing a new album with their band, or other business ventures. I feel like this Randy guy would be the same type of individual who'd complain about a really high end software engineer charging hundreds of dollars an hour to build a website/app for a small business.
There are only so many hours in a day, so these artists have to make sure they're being adequately compensated for their time.
Craig Mabbitt was also in The Word Alive, but now its Telle
that's why Kellin is nowadays featured on so many small artists' tracks
You can get a Leser1 feature for a veggie burger and a 4 pack of craft beer. I think it's worth it.
I was going to ask for a salad sandwich and a bud light, but then i heard what Finn said and thought, No! Fuck it, i'm worth it 👊
Lil Lotus! Glad I found him a few years back.
Also Craig was in the Word Alive. That’s the other band you couldn’t think of 🫡
I think so many people forget a good amount maybe even most the people on this site music is there JOB not just just a hobby or a part time thing.
Music business is exactly that. A BUSINESS
Proud Brag: Billy filmed his latest music video in my studio.
I’m blowin’ up a feature cost a cheque now