Thomas you are doing excellent work, I've been speaking highly of you on my channel on your handle of scholarship and how you're making it easily accessible and understandable. Continue to keep up the good work. It would be a pleasure to have you my channel doing a presentation and answering a few questions.
More amazing work T.A , more holes in the S.I.N. Be nice if you can take the most important verses of the Quran and fix them so we can see how they changed it over time.. Compare original to new be fantastic.
This is brilliant. You show us all the stages for this, and we now can see that the Koran has been edited and re-edited. It also raises the question... if Muhammad is fictional, then what about his wives and followers? What if Aisha was created to serve an Abassid purpose?
It’s all very murky, but I would imagine that his wives were once again a narrative necessity in order to explain the circumstances of the revelations regarding marriage. Again, remember the modus operandi laid out in episode 6.1. Arabic exegesis mostly consisted of story telling. With that in mind, a lot of things suddenly make a lot more sense.
@@TAlexander What about this comment by Peter Harremoes in your 6.3 video - th-cam.com/video/niWtTibNsUM/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgybVpmnyaabw5BghPF4AaABAg "Accoring to the Islamic traditions Caliph Marwan is supposed to have had a mother named Amina and wifes named A'isha and Zaynab just like Muhammad. Do you have any comments on this strange 'coincidence' ?"
I have this doubt for Aisha for long, as others she was fictional just later she could be a mouth piece for Hadiths, using her age. Aisha told this and this and i knew Aisha...
I agree with you , I studied other verses in Quran too where the name “ Muhammad” was def inserted , added to the verse to make sure that the title “ the seal of the prophethood “ is there . So why is it ?
Hi Thomas, i am enjoying this serie a lot and learning a few things even , as you know i have divergent opinions on the christian/jewish origins. I want to raise 2 points,1. I have a question. Using the same methodology do you have any time schedule about insertions and references that curse "The Jews"? And what kind of " Jews" would that be at different periods eventually? This seem to me additions from later periods too. And the second point is that i kindly ask you for a private communication , email or other ,whats up?, where i can inform you about a few things of my research on geographic issues, including the battles mentionedi in the Sin and which evidently did NOT take place in the HEJAZ but in Mesopotamia. I do not want to discuss these in public.
You can write an e-mail to the address in my profile. Just put your name in the subject, so that it won't end up in the spam filter. I'd be interested to hear your results.
To be honest, the theory that was given by thomas is appealing.. I can't reject it right away. However, i think this theory (about delation, change, etc) that took place should be confirmed from other quran scripture from the same time but different place. I mean, we assume there was an addition or insertion or deletion, so.. can we confirm such addition etc from other manuscript? If it can be proven and confirmed, then I think there is now way to disregard such theory... unless we accept that the Quran was in fact also had changed. Of course, no need to provide such proof from cover to cover of Quran (or whole quran), just from 1 surah... It would be enough.
Rigorous demonstration. Thanks for sharing this process with us. It's a wonder that the makers of the new Qurans were willing to add in whole verses and change words. Wouldn't they have feared divine judgment? Perhaps they believed these were true corrections?
@@charlesiragui2473 well the belief of monotheistic God was not something new at the time. The heretic of Christian were already around, it just took a political spin to orchestrated a new religion. Some philosophers said that it takes religion to get the mass into obedience with relatively less cost.
@@indiegirlrocking Maybe one day we will get a better idea on the motivations. It’s an interesting question. I guess I doubt that this was all cynical. The spread of these beliefs indicates more than just a plain conspiracy. Thomas has suggested a growing belief in the role of a Preacher Muhammad, a kind of midway to the Prophet Muhammad. I find this plausible.
Thomas, I emailed the Indonesian subtitles for the first three episodes of 3-Minute Quran Study a few days ago. I was wondering if there are any problems or issues. I thought maybe you could add the subtitles to the existing videos?
Wow...im so happy that an Indonesian as me follow Thomas religiously n so eager to spread the good news to Indonesian audience. Indeed Thomas' work is great. I wonder how kadrun would fight this. 🤣
@@indiegirlrocking I think there are many Indos who have watched Thomas's videos, and there are other channels that already translate to Bahasa, but I thought maybe I should just make my own translation file and email it to Thomas. I dunno if Thomas wants to add subtitles for other languages to his videos, but I already have Indonesian subtitles for Ep. 01 to 07.
@@indiegirlrocking sorry, I forgot to reply. One channel that I know is LYGLO apologetics. He already translated several videos, but not all. Another is Praedicator Veritatis. I only know that those two have translated Thomas' videos. Thomas already added my subtitles from ep. 01 to ep. 03. You can check it out now. I'm about to email the subs for ep.04 to ep.07, but I had a question on ep. 07 about the word ark. I dunno if the ark is the ark of the covenant (tabut perjanjian) or Noah's ark (bahtera Nuh), so I just want to confirm before I finalize the subtitle.
That's so obvious that the Sira has been created to give context to the Kotan and I have watched a video on Gabriel Said Reynolds channel where great muslim scholar confirm this (answering to another muslim scholar). But I have a question: is it possible to date the amendments made on Codex Parisino-Petropolitanus? I mean, as the Sira has been created many years after the live of Muhamad, that would mean that the amendments made on this Codex have been alse made many years after having been written. Is it possible to date when these changes have been made?
I precise : the muslim scholar said that the best way to understand the Koran was to have a better knowledge of the historical context when it has been written
Well, the second editor worked on this manuscript at the earliest in the late 9th century, probably later, based on the script he used. But then his edits are inconsequential to the argument here. The first editor was likely the original scribe himself and he would have made the edits directly upon writing the manuscript. At which point we get into the issue of dating manuscripts. Radiocarbon dating places it into the mid 7th century, but next week I'll publish a video where I'll go into the science of radiocarbon dating and why it tends to result in dates that are too old, specifically when it comes to parchment. If the radiocarbon results are accurate and if we can believe the Islamic narrative, than we might be looking at the ripple effects of Uthman's Quran-burning. However, as you'll see next week, there are very good reason to doubt both. Which leaves us without a solid footing regarding the date. My educated guess would be that we're looking at the earliest at 750 AD, but probably also not much later.
@@TAlexander excellent idea to talk about Radiocarbon dating and their scope and limits, also all isotope techniques has different results depending the time scale needed, the material used and even things like contamination.
Even if one accepts the premise that a scribe who was copying out the Quran took out a page of this particular manuscript of the Quran and re-copied it to include different wording from another version of the Quran he had, it does not prove anything about the existence or non-existence of Muhammad himself. It merely shows that perhaps some earlier versions of the Quran had at some point been altered to incorporate the changes to laws of adoption and inheritance made necessary by Muhammad's marriage with his adopted son's wife, and that copies of different older versions had survived that did not contain those changes and that the scribe copied out the older version first by mistake and then altered it to conform with the newer version. Even the standard Islamic narrative describes quarrels and fights in the time of Omar about the omission of whole suras that Muslims had forgotten or misremembered.
You are correct. This latest series of mine does not by itself disprove the existence of a historical Muhammad. I never claimed it did. But it solidifies the interpretation of the Sira as something that could be written as a form of exegesis in order to provide context for the supposed revelations as well as in order to push through changing dogma. As such, it shows that a historic Muhammad is not necessary in order to explain the traditions as they exist today.
what I think many here likes a lot of Thomas is that he use the right amount of parsimony (without turning it in naïve simplism) and obviously comparing it to the empirical data (both ex vitro and in vitro)
If the hadiths were written to provide context for the Quran, why is about a fifth of the Quran unintelligible? Why aren't hadiths written to explain these so-called dark passages?
Thomas, I am trying to make a larger matrix where I can map the all the current known mashaf/manuscripts , and then cross reference all of the foundational claims , such as presence of Muhamed, pray to mashid al haram, presence of Mecca, into what we already know of the existing 'Fragments' - Birmingham manuscript, Sa'Ana palimpsest, , etc etc. Corpus Corannicus provide some of this but it is work indeed to pick out each calcualted date of origain, portion of fragment of each manuscript vs. 1924 Cairo edition and then look at gaps in existing manauscripts in a chronological order . Has someone already done this overall mapping?
Thomas what is your opinion on the recent videos of Joe from Red judaism on Jay Smith channel, he is bringing some new information that was previously unheard off.
Welcome to my favourite “HELLO”, Thomas A.Amazing analysis and dissection and bisection if the religion of sex and peace.Many Men and some women love this sect for sex and other Satanic worship.
I believe that the Gnostic Prophet Mani claimed to be the last and "Seal of the Prophets" four hundred years before Mohammed. Could it be that the title was plagiarized for Mohammed?
A DECEPTION? YOU MEAN THE BOOK OF JOHN? According to Acts 11:26 is a Christian he who believes Jesus to be the Messiah, that is to say Christ, foretold by Moses in the Torah but rejected by Israel. "I will send the Christ/Messiah, a Prophet/Messenger like you Moses, Him, they must listen...." Deut.18:15-19 The word CHRISTIAN was coined in Antioch of Syria and not in Athens, Rome, or Boston. In that sense, Muslims are Christians because for Islam Jesus is the Christ announced in the Law and the Prophets, born of the Virgin Mary. You may as well check the Transfiguration in Matthew 17:1-13 where Jesus "oversees" a meeting between Moses the Lawgiver and someone who would ratifies the same Law for the Arabs. So the Muslims are Christians and the Americans are not... Every American should know, then, that If Jesus is Lord, it stands to reason that Nature's god is NOT. Yet, Nature's god in the Jefferson Bible and in the so-called 'Declaration Of Independence" claims just that... And this is the official position of the American government because Thomas Jefferson was the 3rd President of the United States and is the one who penned the "declaration of independence." Nature's god in the Jefferson Bible inspired the "Bill Of rights" and specially the First Amendment which states that every religion under nature is as valid as the next. Nature's god states that Jesus did not resurrect because there is no such thing as resurrection of the dead; men die and worms take care of their body and that, most surely, wild dogs took care of Jesus' body. Nature's god claims that there is no supernatural, no miracles, no virginal birth, no revealed Law since Laws are the construct of society and each society makes its own laws in accordance with its need. That the Ten Commandments were not revealed and are no better than the Law of Hammurabi. For Thomas Jefferson, the Apostle of Nature's god, Nature's god instituted government on earth to distribute rights without responsibity: right to liberty from morality, right to pursue happiness, happiness for all(We wonder how government will enforce happiness which is not a tangible good), and right to life... Paul, Jesus-Christ's Apostle to the Pax Romana, on other hand instructed us that Government was instituted on earth by God to keep order, render Justice for equality of the Children of God in view of the Last Judgment. Nature's god insists that Life stops here and that there is NO immortality: "Let's eat and drink for tomorrow we die, and nothing awaits us after death. Don't be missing out..." Jesus said man was born corrupted and can clean himself with the means God put on his disposal. Nature's god however holds that man was born perfect but got corrupted by government. We wonder If all the jails built across their land are only for members of government. Nature's god is truly Satan who set out to contradict the True God on every single line! I think you should worry about America and its Nature's god and not about Islam....!!! Enough Of That circular reasoning!!!
Because initially that wasn’t important. All that mattered was to write a coherent story which would provide context to the Quran and explain the circumstances of each supposed revelation. At that point, Muhammad wasn’t yet the seal of the prophets, he was a conduit to link the Quran with a new religious framework.
it's horrible character by TODAY'S STANDARD.... but all this madness Mohammed has done according to sira/hadith was cool in the satanic arab culture the "maker" of this fake writings have lived in.
@@potkinazarmehr yes... when you like pedophilia like many psychopaths you need good "proof" for because no normal human will give you children to molest them... but when big Prophet has given a example you have permission to do it 😎... is that easy.
Hey Thomas i recently came across an account from a Bishop Sebeous in 661? who mention mohammed as preaching one God etc is this true?have you come across this before?
*Matthew* *7: 13,14* *14 Go in through the narrow gate; for WIDE is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth unto DESTRUCTION, and MANY are they which go in thereon.14 For the gate is NARROW, and the strait is the way, which leadeth unto LIFE, and FEW there be that find it.* *A.* *Timothy* *2: 4,5* *4 GOD wants all people to be saved and to know the TRUTH. 5 For there is one GOD, and one MEDITATOR between GOD and men, the MAN CHRIST JESUS;* *Revelation of John* *3:14* *14 And unto the angel of the church in Laodicea write; Thus saith the AMEN, the FAITHFUL and TRUE WITNESS. the beginning of the CREATION of GOD.* "ARE MANY" who will follow the path of loss but "A FEW" will find the narrow gate. Mattew 7:13 John 3:13 (Jesus said)No one ascended into heaven. but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which was from the heaven. Why do we grow old and die? GOD did not want humans to die. Our first parents, Adam and Eve, were created with a perfect mind and body.They could still be alive today.This is clear from what God said to Adam about a tree growing in the garden of Eden. God said to Adam:“The day you eat [from the tree] you will surely die.” Genesis 2:17. This command would have been meaningless if Adam had been created to grow old and die. Adam knew that if he did not eat from that tree, he would not die. GOD'S PURPOSE WAS NOT THAT PEOPLE DIE. God said to Adam:"Eat your bread with the sweat of your brow until you return to the ground from where you were taken.for you were dust and you will become dust. ” Genesis 3: 17-19 As a result,“all the days of Adam's life were nine hundred and thirty years and he died.”Genesis 5: 5. Adam did not go to heaven or hell.Or live in a spiritual realm. What is the Resurrection? The Bible's answer In the Bible,the Greek word translated "resurrection" means "to stand" or "to restore." The resurrected person is resurrected from the dead and is the same person who was before. 1 Corinthians 15:12, 13. It is true that the word "resurrection" is not found in the Hebrew Scriptures,which are known as the Old Testament, but the promise of resurrection is there.For example,through the prophet Hosea,God promised:“I will rescue them from the hand of the grave, and I will rescue them from death.” Hosea 13:14; Job 14: 13-15; Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12: 2, 13. Where will people be resurrected? Some people will be resurrected to live in heaven.There they will reign with Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 5: 1; Revelation 5: 9, 10.The Bible calls this resurrection "the first resurrection" and the word "first" makes it clear that there will be another resurrection. Revelation 20: 6 That other resurrection will be for the living on paradise earth, and most of the dead will be resurrected in this way. Psalm 37:29. How are the dead raised?God gave Jesus the power to resurrect the dead. John 11:25. Jesus will bring to life “all those in the memorial tombs,” each with his own personality, attributes, and memories. John 5:28, 29. Some will be resurrected to live in heaven, while others will be resurrected to live on paradise earth with perfect and healthy bodies. Isaiah 33:24; 35: 5, 6. 1 Corinthians 15: 42-44, 50 They multiply priests and saints with sad faces pile up, perform miracles,cast out demons.But Jesus said,The tree is known by its fruit. MATTHEW 7: 21-23: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,and cast out demons in your name,and did many miracles in your name?'23 Then i will tell them plainly that I did not know you at all.Get away from me, you workers of iniquity. Matthew 7: 15-20 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 By their fruits ye shall know them.Do they gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles?17 So every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;and an evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.20 Ye shall know them by their fruits. B.LETTER TO CORINTHIANS 11: 13-15: 13 For such are the apostles, liars, deceitful workers, impersonating the apostles of Christ.14 And it is not surprising. because Satan also takes the form of a bright angel.15 Wherefore, it is not a great thing that his ministers should be likened unto the ministers of righteousness. Their end will be in proportion to their deeds. 4: 4. In whom is the god of this world? (Satan) blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the light of the glory of the gospel of Christ might not shine upon them, which is the image of God. Eternal life is a free gift from God. The eternal punishment is not righteousness because how many years can a human beeing live at most?God is Love Bible answers Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 19 for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals,they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies, and they all have but one life. So man has no superiority over animals,(No additional soul. Only have additional knowlege,thinking,talking,etc...)verything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust. John 5:28,29 28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. Psalm 37:29 it's clear A. LETTER TO TIMOTHY 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus! Mattew 24:36 36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows,neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. *NO TRINITY* *John* *20:17* 17 *Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.* *JOHN* *6:38* *(Jesus said)* 38 *For I came down from heaven, not to do mine OWN will, but the will of HIM that sent me.* *John* *14:28* 28 *Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.* *Matthew* *20:23* 23 *And HE saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of MY cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not MINE to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my FATHER.* *John* *5:30* 30 *I can of MINE own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not MINE own will, but the will of the FATHER which hath sent ME:* *John* *17:20**-23* *(ONE IN GLORY)* 20 *Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on ME through their word; 21 That they all may be ONE; as THOU, FATHER, art in ME, and I in THEE, that they also may be ONE in US: that the world may believe that THOU hast sent ME. 22 And the glory which thou gavest ME, I have given them; that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE: 23 I in THEM, and THOU in ME, that they may be made perfect in ONE; and that the world may know that thou hast sent ME, and hast loved THEM. as THOU hast loved ME.* TRINITY ARE FALSE* TEACHINGS only thrue Lord God is *JEHOVAH* (the Father*)and his first creation is *JESUS CHRIST*(the Son*) everything else created by *JESUS CHRIST* more Scriptures *NO TRINITY*
Muslims have a check on Quran since the time of Prophet(saw) i.e. "Hifz" memorisation. My 9 year old is in 2and grade and has 12 paras memorised total 30 paras. Nobody can changed or has changed Quran. Even Usman(ra) was hafiz who compiled Quran
i appreciate your work and efforts, but drawing conclusions based on speculation and conjecture is the most unscientific and redundant. You may have been able to prove some nuanced subtleties and textual changes, but then to leap the way you did to "we will just check all of the remaining boxes because it is improbable that 3 are correct, and the rest are wrong." - this immediately removes any credibility you may have mustered, and no one with critical thinking skills will listen to such baseless claims. that being said, your conclusory presentation from roughly 8:00 minutes to the end, was fantastic and had that been the scope of your video it would have been great. But the sentence you uttered remains pseudo academia. prove what you can, leave the rest for someone else, or until you have more information. suppositions are not facts nor scientific.
i don't understand how working from the direct older existing text can be defined as speculation and conjecture, either a text has been corrected on the page or it hasn't, with our modern technology we can tell the difference between letters naturally fading and being deliberately removed, and between the original writing and what was added later
Christians will do everything to defame Islam and prophet Muhammad saw but Allah made a promise that the day would indeed come when their eyes will be down and their hearts will be begging for mercy
sure sure... they came 600+ years later and said: *_"NO NO, Jesus wasnt crucifyed and not Gods promissed incarnation"_* oh wait a minute... thats islaam! maybe that´s why muhammad got his aorta cut?
Amazing work, I can't wait for more parts. I would like to know, *has anyone done this sort of critical analysis of the Bible?* It would be incredible if we could dig deep and find out which theology and Christology is most correct. It would possibly solve all the schisms
It has been done for a long time. In fact, this historical critical method was developed for exactly that purpose. It was meant to be a tool in order to interpret the Bible using the Bible. But alas, it apparently isn't the tool to solve schism.
@@TAlexander What books/videos/audiobooks/authors etc etc could you recommend to me so I can read further about some of the results which came from critical Bible analysis? I'd love to dive deeper as I think it could shed some light on my own theological questions
@@emZee1994 My suggestion would be Adolf von Harnack‘s book "The History of Dogma". Not an easy read and I don’t agree with everything, but it’s probably the best overview you can get and you can download it for free on the Internet Archive as the copyright has long expired.
Hi.going off the title,could the writers be none Arabs,and their attempts to write parts of the Qur'an. Eg Greeks having some ties to Paris. Also the above,I would not think can take precedence over the claims that ,four writers eg Ali,ibn masoud and two other who had the own Qur'ans. On verse 33:40 👈 the explanation of that verse in English and in all other languages,may be explained totally wrongly. ABA ahadim (no me)👈 is a title of those who are messengers and they are muhammad's and the first word of quran 33:40 is a Root of MKN,and the translated verse,is not conveying that. Also the Codex Parisino - Petropolitanus is only 53% of the Qur'an collection,hence it has no authority due to lacking completeness.(it could be said,with hindsight,that,was the scribe or scribes attempting to change the whole Qur'an,but they could not complete the task). NB. Obviously i am supporting muhammad (570/571 AD)and i attribute the qur'an collection as his works and preservation was by his efforts🙁. and u r wrong on the kalalaha word written form.the Root is KLH and the second Lam is not a Lam but part of the Kaf.the Kaf has been stretched to make it seem(visually) as an additional Lam. Hence the scribes could be fabricator. Qur'an says they twist the words,and it's a frustrating challenge to them.the twisting can refer to the writings. Also past qur'ans are not boss over today's qurans because today's qur'an's are not classed as mouldy eg they do not age through the passing of time.
I'm not sure I follow you, but no, the writers were probably not Parisian Greeks. And no, the original writer used a short Kaf, as is the norm in this Hijazi script. In this episode, you can see the second occurrence of Kalalah. It has a short Kaf.
@@TAlexander .short Kaf or long Kaf is still just a Kaf. also in today's qur'an's ,the word in question is written as Kaf.Lam.Ha ,and not as Kaf.Lam.Lam.Ha👈 and what kind of semetic root is that suppose to be enfersizing! Thomas,just keep up the good work as u r doing.u r seeking the truth and that is what is important 🙂.
@@TAlexander .the written letter Kaf,can be written in various ways (ie one is like a 'b' with a 45° line.the length of the line is not of importance for identification purposes). What u take as an additional LAM is actually the backing of the 'b' Kaf. all I am saying is the Word recited as Kalalaha ,in current day qur'an's is written as kalaha and not as the codex Parisino-Petropolitanus
@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 In the current Qur'an, the exact spelling is 'Kaf', 'Lam', 'Lam', 'Ha' ('Klla'), which can be pronounced as 'Kalla' or 'Kalaala' depending on the vowels. However, in Codex Parisino, the spelling is 'Kaf', 'Lam', 'Ha' (Kla), and can only be pronounced as 'Kalla'. If we examine first-century manuscripts, we consistently find 'Klla', not 'Kla'. For example, the Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin manuscripts Ms. or. fol. 4313 (VOHD 17, A, 1, 1, 1) and Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305) are dated between 640-680 and 660-710 respectively, and the Khedivial Library's Qāf 47 (Q47) is dated between 640-680. All of these manuscripts, including Codex Parisino, are Uthmanic text type, written after 650. Therefore, the word 'Kla' in Codex Parisino-Petropolitanus is likely a scribe error. Even if it were intentional, it cannot be considered the correct spelling without corroboration from other contemporary manuscripts. If there are no other witnesses, a claim will still a claim. Also, we don't know anything about the scribe of Codex Parisino. It's unclear why some believe it to be reliable and Muslims unreliable. Secondly, there are many places in Codex Parisino where the scribe forgot to write one or two letters, such as verse 152 of Surat Al-Imran where the scribe forgot to write two letters 'Wow' instead of one. Verse 193 of Surat Al-Imran, the scribe wrote two letters 'Mem' instead of one, verse 171 of Surat Al-Nisa in which the scribe forgot to write the letter 'Ta' after the 'Mem'. And so on, it is very clear that these are just scribe errors, which is why the author of the video could not take advantage of them. Well in the end, let people see what they want to see. www.scribd.com/document/388281135/saleh-powers-muh-pdf
John of Damascus account has been updated many times. The section about the religion of the Arabs is full of interpolations, different writing styles, insertions, sudden narrative shifts, etc. It can not be used to date anything. And no, it wasn’t the Abbasids but Christians who "improved" upon the older versions by adding new angles of attack against obvious depravity and inconsistencies which originally weren’t in the text.
@@TAlexander The bible has also been updated many times. Your Christian sources that you use to attack islam have been updated many times. But you accept them to go back to the time they were written. You are not consistent. I haven't heard any scholar who claims that the story of Zayd in the writings of John of Damascus are added later. There is no evidence for that. Christians use John of Damascus for theology. Especially the Eastern Orthodox Christians. They don't agree with you either.
@@TAlexander The story is also found in The Kitab Al Irja of Hasan ibn Muhammad ibn al Hanafiyyah. He died 100 years after Hijra. He is a first century source. The book was written around the end of the 7th or just the beginning of the 8th century.
First of all, if I use Christian sources, I do so in context. I never take anything at face value. For example, John of Damascus' book on heresies is strong evidence that the Quran was altered, namely that several verses have been dropped. The book faithfully quotes several Surahs, only, one passage about a she-camel is missing in the Quran. However, given the uncertain history of the book, I wouldn't be able to tell you WHEN these verses were attested to in the Quran, could be the early 8th century, could be much later. As for the added verses, of course there's evidence. It's right in this video. You'd have to be wilfully blind to not see it. And I have provided the references in the video description. Powers is a reputable scholar. So I'm afraid that your ignorance on the matter does not constitute an argument.
Islam is not a god inspired religion, rather it was concocted and created entirely by humans and with it, its many flaws can be found, check out my videos and research for more information. Thanks for the support.
Hey Thomas i recently came across an account from a Bishop Sebeous in 661? who mention mohammed as preaching one God etc is this true?have you come across this before?
It means it was written by someone else under Sebeus name. Something very common at that time. For example most Biblical Apocrypha, i.e. non-canonical books, are pseudographic.
What a systematic work! Thank you, Sherlock Holme!
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Keep up the excellent scholars work!
Thank you, I really appreciate it. I’ll try my best 😉
Amazing process of analysis. Well done.
Thomas you are doing excellent work, I've been speaking highly of you on my channel on your handle of scholarship and how you're making it easily accessible and understandable. Continue to keep up the good work. It would be a pleasure to have you my channel doing a presentation and answering a few questions.
Thank you, I'd be happy to come on.
@@TAlexander excellent, I'll send you over an email (it will be on your legal email) so we can keep in contact and arrange the details.
@@TAlexander what a brilliant mind you got a true expert! This is wild and amazing!
My mind is blown, thanks so much for this briliant study
Incredible research Thomas, and the way you link each video with the little recaps are just superb, thank you.
More amazing work T.A , more holes in the S.I.N. Be nice if you can take the most important verses of the Quran and fix them so we can see how they changed it over time.. Compare original to new be fantastic.
Incredible presentation yet again!
Another great analysis exposing islam by Thomas Alexander and inara school
This is brilliant. You show us all the stages for this, and we now can see that the Koran has been edited and re-edited.
It also raises the question... if Muhammad is fictional, then what about his wives and followers? What if Aisha was created to serve an Abassid purpose?
It’s all very murky, but I would imagine that his wives were once again a narrative necessity in order to explain the circumstances of the revelations regarding marriage.
Again, remember the modus operandi laid out in episode 6.1. Arabic exegesis mostly consisted of story telling. With that in mind, a lot of things suddenly make a lot more sense.
@@TAlexander What about this comment by Peter Harremoes in your 6.3 video -
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"Accoring to the Islamic traditions Caliph Marwan is supposed to have had a mother named Amina and wifes named A'isha and Zaynab just like Muhammad. Do you have any comments on this strange 'coincidence' ?"
I have this doubt for Aisha for long, as others she was fictional just later she could be a mouth piece for Hadiths, using her age. Aisha told this and this and i knew Aisha...
Thanks for your responses to the Islamic scholars in this conversation.
wow excellent work! I need to rewatch this a couple more times 😅
Wow. Thanks for all these investigation. Fully documented, evidence based and mind-blowing. The SIN is collapsing ...
exceptional work! well done! Truth will heal the world from sickness prevailing in the society!
I agree with you ,
I studied other verses in Quran too where the name “ Muhammad” was def inserted , added to the verse to make sure that the title “ the seal of the prophethood “ is there .
So why is it ?
Hi Thomas, i am enjoying this serie a lot and learning a few things even , as you know i have divergent opinions on the christian/jewish origins.
I want to raise 2 points,1. I have a question. Using the same methodology do you have any time schedule about insertions and references that curse "The Jews"? And what kind of " Jews" would that be at different periods eventually? This seem to me additions from later periods too.
And the second point is that i kindly ask you for a private communication , email or other ,whats up?, where i can inform you about a few things of my research on geographic issues, including the battles mentionedi in the Sin and which evidently did NOT take place in the HEJAZ but in Mesopotamia. I do not want to discuss these in public.
You can write an e-mail to the address in my profile. Just put your name in the subject, so that it won't end up in the spam filter. I'd be interested to hear your results.
Welcome to my favourite “HELLO”, Thomas A.Amazing analysis and dissection and bisection if the religion of sex and peace.
Thomas thank you for the good werk you have done and God bless you for
To be honest, the theory that was given by thomas is appealing.. I can't reject it right away. However, i think this theory (about delation, change, etc) that took place should be confirmed from other quran scripture from the same time but different place. I mean, we assume there was an addition or insertion or deletion, so.. can we confirm such addition etc from other manuscript? If it can be proven and confirmed, then I think there is now way to disregard such theory... unless we accept that the Quran was in fact also had changed. Of course, no need to provide such proof from cover to cover of Quran (or whole quran), just from 1 surah... It would be enough.
More truth exposing satan's islamic lies. Thanks a lot for your extremely valuable work.
Great work it's makes sense
Very informative video Thomas. How would your methodology stand up against biblical scripture?
shalom from indonesia🙏🙏
Thomas, have you taken a break from making videos? You were doing a great job and miss your insights.
Yes, I’ve switched jobs and I just didn’t have the time. But I’m working on the next batch of videos. Might be two more weeks or so.
Rigorous demonstration. Thanks for sharing this process with us.
It's a wonder that the makers of the new Qurans were willing to add in whole verses and change words. Wouldn't they have feared divine judgment? Perhaps they believed these were true corrections?
If it served a political purpose, I dont think its necessary that they actually believed in what they were writing.
@@indiegirlrocking It does seem self serving. But people can convince themselves of many things that are convenient.
@@charlesiragui2473 well the belief of monotheistic God was not something new at the time. The heretic of Christian were already around, it just took a political spin to orchestrated a new religion. Some philosophers said that it takes religion to get the mass into obedience with relatively less cost.
@@indiegirlrocking Maybe one day we will get a better idea on the motivations. It’s an interesting question.
I guess I doubt that this was all cynical. The spread of these beliefs indicates more than just a plain conspiracy.
Thomas has suggested a growing belief in the role of a Preacher Muhammad, a kind of midway to the Prophet Muhammad. I find this plausible.
By this hypothesis, the relevant verses would be missing from the Sana manuscript. Is this the case? If so, it strengthens Thomas's findings.
The Surahs in question are not part of the Sanaa manuscript.
@@TAlexander Danke für die Erklärung.
Thomas, I emailed the Indonesian subtitles for the first three episodes of 3-Minute Quran Study a few days ago. I was wondering if there are any problems or issues. I thought maybe you could add the subtitles to the existing videos?
Wow...im so happy that an Indonesian as me follow Thomas religiously n so eager to spread the good news to Indonesian audience. Indeed Thomas' work is great. I wonder how kadrun would fight this. 🤣
@@indiegirlrocking I think there are many Indos who have watched Thomas's videos, and there are other channels that already translate to Bahasa, but I thought maybe I should just make my own translation file and email it to Thomas.
I dunno if Thomas wants to add subtitles for other languages to his videos, but I already have Indonesian subtitles for Ep. 01 to 07.
@@anyanyanyanyanyany3551 keep up the good work. May I know which Indo's channel that has translated Thomas' , I may help spread the work. Thanks
@@indiegirlrocking sorry, I forgot to reply. One channel that I know is LYGLO apologetics. He already translated several videos, but not all. Another is Praedicator Veritatis. I only know that those two have translated Thomas' videos. Thomas already added my subtitles from ep. 01 to ep. 03. You can check it out now. I'm about to email the subs for ep.04 to ep.07, but I had a question on ep. 07 about the word ark.
I dunno if the ark is the ark of the covenant (tabut perjanjian) or Noah's ark (bahtera Nuh), so I just want to confirm before I finalize the subtitle.
That's so obvious that the Sira has been created to give context to the Kotan and I have watched a video on Gabriel Said Reynolds channel where great muslim scholar confirm this (answering to another muslim scholar). But I have a question: is it possible to date the amendments made on Codex Parisino-Petropolitanus? I mean, as the Sira has been created many years after the live of Muhamad, that would mean that the amendments made on this Codex have been alse made many years after having been written. Is it possible to date when these changes have been made?
I precise : the muslim scholar said that the best way to understand the Koran was to have a better knowledge of the historical context when it has been written
Well, the second editor worked on this manuscript at the earliest in the late 9th century, probably later, based on the script he used. But then his edits are inconsequential to the argument here.
The first editor was likely the original scribe himself and he would have made the edits directly upon writing the manuscript. At which point we get into the issue of dating manuscripts. Radiocarbon dating places it into the mid 7th century, but next week I'll publish a video where I'll go into the science of radiocarbon dating and why it tends to result in dates that are too old, specifically when it comes to parchment.
If the radiocarbon results are accurate and if we can believe the Islamic narrative, than we might be looking at the ripple effects of Uthman's Quran-burning. However, as you'll see next week, there are very good reason to doubt both. Which leaves us without a solid footing regarding the date. My educated guess would be that we're looking at the earliest at 750 AD, but probably also not much later.
@@TAlexander excellent idea to talk about Radiocarbon dating and their scope and limits, also all isotope techniques has different results depending the time scale needed, the material used and even things like contamination.
Even if one accepts the premise that a scribe who was copying out the Quran took out a page of this particular manuscript of the Quran and re-copied it to include different wording from another version of the Quran he had, it does not prove anything about the existence or non-existence of Muhammad himself. It merely shows that perhaps some earlier versions of the Quran had at some point been altered to incorporate the changes to laws of adoption and inheritance made necessary by Muhammad's marriage with his adopted son's wife, and that copies of different older versions had survived that did not contain those changes and that the scribe copied out the older version first by mistake and then altered it to conform with the newer version. Even the standard Islamic narrative describes quarrels and fights in the time of Omar about the omission of whole suras that Muslims had forgotten or misremembered.
You are correct. This latest series of mine does not by itself disprove the existence of a historical Muhammad. I never claimed it did. But it solidifies the interpretation of the Sira as something that could be written as a form of exegesis in order to provide context for the supposed revelations as well as in order to push through changing dogma. As such, it shows that a historic Muhammad is not necessary in order to explain the traditions as they exist today.
what I think many here likes a lot of Thomas is that he use the right amount of parsimony (without turning it in naïve simplism) and obviously comparing it to the empirical data (both ex vitro and in vitro)
If the hadiths were written to provide context for the Quran, why is about a fifth of the Quran unintelligible? Why aren't hadiths written to explain these so-called dark passages?
Why weren't hadiths...
Thomas, I am trying to make a larger matrix where I can map the all the current known mashaf/manuscripts , and then cross reference all of the foundational claims , such as presence of Muhamed, pray to mashid al haram, presence of Mecca, into what we already know of the existing 'Fragments' - Birmingham manuscript, Sa'Ana palimpsest, , etc etc. Corpus Corannicus provide some of this but it is work indeed to pick out each calcualted date of origain, portion of fragment of each manuscript vs. 1924 Cairo edition and then look at gaps in existing manauscripts in a chronological order .
Has someone already done this overall mapping?
Sorry, but AFAIK, Corpus Coranicum is your best bet.
@@TAlexander many thanks
Thanks for the video.
Please use electricity to make more videos.
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Why do I always get recommendations of the final vid in a series first, instead of the first one?
Thomas what is your opinion on the recent videos of Joe from Red judaism on Jay Smith channel, he is bringing some new information that was previously unheard off.
Welcome to my favourite “HELLO”, Thomas A.Amazing analysis and dissection and bisection if the religion of sex and peace.Many Men and some women love this sect for sex and other Satanic worship.
I believe that the Gnostic Prophet Mani claimed to be the last and "Seal of the Prophets" four hundred years before Mohammed. Could it be that the title was plagiarized for Mohammed?
Yes, that is certainly possible. But from Tatian, we also know that the title "Seal of the Prophets" was also used for Jesus centuries earlier.
A DECEPTION? YOU MEAN THE BOOK OF JOHN?
According to Acts 11:26 is a Christian he who believes Jesus to be the Messiah, that is to say Christ, foretold by Moses in the Torah but rejected by Israel.
"I will send the Christ/Messiah, a Prophet/Messenger like you Moses, Him, they must listen...." Deut.18:15-19
The word CHRISTIAN was coined in Antioch of Syria and not in Athens, Rome, or Boston.
In that sense, Muslims are Christians because for Islam Jesus is the Christ announced in the Law and the Prophets, born of the Virgin Mary. You may as well check the Transfiguration in Matthew 17:1-13 where Jesus "oversees" a meeting between Moses the Lawgiver and someone who would ratifies the same Law for the Arabs.
So the Muslims are Christians and the Americans are not...
Every American should know, then, that If Jesus is Lord, it stands to reason that Nature's god is NOT.
Yet, Nature's god in the Jefferson Bible and in the so-called 'Declaration Of Independence" claims just that...
And this is the official position of the American government because Thomas Jefferson was the 3rd President of the United States and is the one who penned the "declaration of independence."
Nature's god in the Jefferson Bible inspired the "Bill Of rights" and specially the First Amendment which states that every religion under nature is as valid as the next.
Nature's god states that Jesus did not resurrect because there is no such thing as resurrection of the dead; men die and worms take care of their body and that, most surely, wild dogs took care of Jesus' body.
Nature's god claims that there is no supernatural, no miracles, no virginal birth, no revealed Law since Laws are the construct of society and each society makes its own laws in accordance with its need.
That the Ten Commandments were not revealed and are no better than the Law of Hammurabi.
For Thomas Jefferson, the Apostle of Nature's god, Nature's god instituted government on earth to distribute rights without responsibity: right to liberty from morality, right to pursue happiness, happiness for all(We wonder how government will enforce happiness which is not a tangible good), and right to life...
Paul, Jesus-Christ's Apostle to the Pax Romana, on other hand instructed us that Government was instituted on earth by God to keep order, render Justice for equality of the Children of God in view of the Last Judgment.
Nature's god insists that Life stops here and that there is NO immortality: "Let's eat and drink for tomorrow we die, and nothing awaits us after death. Don't be missing out..."
Jesus said man was born corrupted and can clean himself with the means God put on his disposal.
Nature's god however holds that man was born perfect but got corrupted by government.
We wonder If all the jails built across their land are only for members of government.
Nature's god is truly Satan who set out to contradict the True God on every single line!
I think you should worry about America and its Nature's god and not about Islam....!!!
Enough Of That circular reasoning!!!
Wow
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Why did the people who wrote the Sira make Mohammad such a horrible character?!
Because initially that wasn’t important. All that mattered was to write a coherent story which would provide context to the Quran and explain the circumstances of each supposed revelation. At that point, Muhammad wasn’t yet the seal of the prophets, he was a conduit to link the Quran with a new religious framework.
it's horrible character by TODAY'S STANDARD.... but all this madness Mohammed has done according to sira/hadith was cool in the satanic arab culture the "maker" of this fake writings have lived in.
@@TAlexander So was it really necessary to create a character who marries a 9 year old girl?
@@potkinazarmehr yes... when you like pedophilia like many psychopaths
you need good "proof" for because no normal human will give you children to molest them... but when big Prophet has given a example you have permission to do it 😎... is that easy.
@@potkinazarmehr look at "muslim paradise" is made for sex possessed psychos... it all about sex.. this shows the true mindset of the "makers"
Islam is all over in the news thanks to Jay Thomas Odon Mel😄😃
Hey Thomas i recently came across an account from a Bishop Sebeous in 661? who mention mohammed as preaching one God etc is this true?have you come across this before?
*Matthew* *7: 13,14*
*14 Go in through the narrow gate; for WIDE is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth unto DESTRUCTION, and MANY are they which go in thereon.14 For the gate is NARROW, and the strait is the way, which leadeth unto LIFE, and FEW there be that find it.*
*A.* *Timothy* *2: 4,5*
*4 GOD wants all people to be saved and to know the TRUTH. 5 For there is one GOD, and one MEDITATOR between GOD and men, the MAN CHRIST JESUS;*
*Revelation of John* *3:14*
*14 And unto the angel of the church in Laodicea write; Thus saith the AMEN, the FAITHFUL and TRUE WITNESS. the beginning of the CREATION of GOD.*
"ARE MANY" who will follow the path of loss but "A FEW" will find the narrow gate.
Mattew 7:13
John 3:13 (Jesus said)No one ascended into heaven. but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which was from the heaven.
Why do we grow old and die?
GOD did not want humans to die. Our first parents, Adam and Eve, were created with a perfect mind and body.They could still be alive today.This is clear from what God said to Adam about a tree growing in the garden of Eden.
God said to Adam:“The day you eat [from the tree] you will surely die.” Genesis 2:17. This command would have been meaningless if Adam had been created to grow old and die. Adam knew that if he did not eat from that tree, he would not die.
GOD'S PURPOSE WAS NOT THAT PEOPLE DIE.
God said to Adam:"Eat your bread with the sweat of your brow until you return to the ground from where you were taken.for you were dust and you will become dust. ”
Genesis 3: 17-19
As a result,“all the days of Adam's life were nine hundred and thirty years and he died.”Genesis 5: 5. Adam did not go to heaven or hell.Or live in a spiritual realm.
What is the Resurrection?
The Bible's answer
In the Bible,the Greek word translated "resurrection" means "to stand" or "to restore." The resurrected person is resurrected from the dead and is the same person who was before. 1 Corinthians 15:12, 13.
It is true that the word "resurrection" is not found in the Hebrew Scriptures,which are known as the Old Testament, but the promise of resurrection is there.For example,through the prophet Hosea,God promised:“I will rescue them from the hand of the grave, and I will rescue them from death.” Hosea 13:14; Job 14: 13-15; Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12: 2, 13.
Where will people be resurrected? Some people will be resurrected to live in heaven.There they will reign with Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 5: 1; Revelation 5: 9, 10.The Bible calls this resurrection "the first resurrection" and the word "first" makes it clear that there will be another resurrection. Revelation 20: 6 That other resurrection will be for the living on paradise earth, and most of the dead will be resurrected in this way.
Psalm 37:29.
How are the dead raised?God gave Jesus the power to resurrect the dead. John 11:25. Jesus will bring to life “all those in the memorial tombs,” each with his own personality, attributes, and memories.
John 5:28, 29.
Some will be resurrected to live in heaven, while others will be resurrected to live on paradise earth with perfect and healthy bodies. Isaiah 33:24; 35: 5, 6. 1 Corinthians 15: 42-44, 50
They multiply priests and saints with sad faces pile up, perform miracles,cast out demons.But Jesus said,The tree is known by its fruit.
MATTHEW
7: 21-23:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,and cast out demons in your name,and did many miracles in your name?'23 Then i will tell them plainly that I did not know you at all.Get away from me, you workers of iniquity.
Matthew 7: 15-20
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 By their fruits ye shall know them.Do they gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles?17 So every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;and an evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.20 Ye shall know them by their fruits.
B.LETTER TO CORINTHIANS
11: 13-15:
13 For such are the apostles, liars, deceitful workers, impersonating the apostles of Christ.14 And it is not surprising. because Satan also takes the form of a bright angel.15 Wherefore, it is not a great thing that his ministers should be likened unto the ministers of righteousness. Their end will be in proportion to their deeds.
4: 4. In whom is the god of this world?
(Satan) blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the light of the glory of the gospel of Christ might not shine upon them, which is the image of God.
Eternal life is a free gift from God. The eternal punishment is not righteousness because how many years can a human beeing live at most?God is Love
Bible answers
Ecclesiastes 3:19,20
19 for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals,they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies, and they all have but one life. So man has no superiority over animals,(No additional soul. Only have additional knowlege,thinking,talking,etc...)verything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust.
John 5:28,29
28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.
Psalm 37:29
it's clear
A. LETTER TO TIMOTHY 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus!
Mattew 24:36
36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows,neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.
*NO TRINITY*
*John* *20:17*
17 *Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.*
*JOHN* *6:38*
*(Jesus said)*
38 *For I came down from heaven, not to do mine OWN will, but the will of HIM that sent me.*
*John* *14:28*
28 *Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.*
*Matthew* *20:23*
23 *And HE saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of MY cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not MINE to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my FATHER.*
*John* *5:30*
30 *I can of MINE own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not MINE own will, but the will of the FATHER which hath sent ME:*
*John* *17:20**-23*
*(ONE IN GLORY)*
20 *Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on ME through their word; 21 That they all may be ONE; as THOU, FATHER, art in ME, and I in THEE, that they also may be ONE in US: that the world may believe that THOU hast sent ME. 22 And the glory which thou gavest ME, I have given them; that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE: 23 I in THEM, and THOU in ME, that they may be made perfect in ONE; and that the world may know that thou hast sent ME, and hast loved THEM. as THOU hast loved ME.*
TRINITY ARE FALSE* TEACHINGS only thrue Lord God is *JEHOVAH* (the Father*)and his first creation is *JESUS CHRIST*(the Son*) everything else created by *JESUS CHRIST*
more Scriptures *NO TRINITY*
Islam is a human made political religion/tradition. It has nothing to do with the salvation of the soul.
Muslims have a check on Quran since the time of Prophet(saw) i.e. "Hifz" memorisation. My 9 year old is in 2and grade and has 12 paras memorised total 30 paras. Nobody can changed or has changed Quran. Even Usman(ra) was hafiz who compiled Quran
i appreciate your work and efforts, but drawing conclusions based on speculation and conjecture is the most unscientific and redundant. You may have been able to prove some nuanced subtleties and textual changes, but then to leap the way you did to "we will just check all of the remaining boxes because it is improbable that 3 are correct, and the rest are wrong." - this immediately removes any credibility you may have mustered, and no one with critical thinking skills will listen to such baseless claims. that being said, your conclusory presentation from roughly 8:00 minutes to the end, was fantastic and had that been the scope of your video it would have been great. But the sentence you uttered remains pseudo academia. prove what you can, leave the rest for someone else, or until you have more information. suppositions are not facts nor scientific.
i don't understand how working from the direct older existing text can be defined as speculation and conjecture, either a text has been corrected on the page or it hasn't, with our modern technology we can tell the difference between letters naturally fading and being deliberately removed, and between the original writing and what was added later
Computer science guy , arm chair historian, confidently stating 'confirmed'. lol. European hubris in full sight.
Christians will do everything to defame Islam and prophet Muhammad saw but Allah made a promise that the day would indeed come when their eyes will be down and their hearts will be begging for mercy
sure sure... they came 600+ years later and said: *_"NO NO, Jesus wasnt crucifyed and not Gods promissed incarnation"_*
oh wait a minute... thats islaam!
maybe that´s why muhammad got his aorta cut?
Amazing work, I can't wait for more parts. I would like to know, *has anyone done this sort of critical analysis of the Bible?*
It would be incredible if we could dig deep and find out which theology and Christology is most correct. It would possibly solve all the schisms
It has been done for a long time. In fact, this historical critical method was developed for exactly that purpose. It was meant to be a tool in order to interpret the Bible using the Bible. But alas, it apparently isn't the tool to solve schism.
@@TAlexander What books/videos/audiobooks/authors etc etc could you recommend to me so I can read further about some of the results which came from critical Bible analysis? I'd love to dive deeper as I think it could shed some light on my own theological questions
@@emZee1994 My suggestion would be Adolf von Harnack‘s book "The History of Dogma". Not an easy read and I don’t agree with everything, but it’s probably the best overview you can get and you can download it for free on the Internet Archive as the copyright has long expired.
@@TAlexander thank you appreciate it!
Hi.going off the title,could the writers be none Arabs,and their attempts to write parts of the Qur'an. Eg Greeks having some ties to Paris.
Also the above,I would not think can take precedence over the claims that ,four writers eg Ali,ibn masoud and two other who had the own Qur'ans.
On verse 33:40 👈 the explanation of that verse in English and in all other languages,may be explained totally wrongly.
ABA ahadim (no me)👈 is a title of those who are messengers and they are muhammad's
and the first word of quran 33:40 is a Root of MKN,and the translated verse,is not conveying that.
Also the Codex Parisino - Petropolitanus is only 53% of the Qur'an collection,hence it has no authority due to lacking completeness.(it could be said,with hindsight,that,was the scribe or scribes attempting to change the whole Qur'an,but they could not complete the task).
NB. Obviously i am supporting muhammad (570/571 AD)and i attribute the qur'an collection as his works and preservation was by his efforts🙁.
and u r wrong on the kalalaha word written form.the Root is KLH and the second Lam is not a Lam but part of the Kaf.the Kaf has been stretched to make it seem(visually) as an additional Lam. Hence the scribes could be fabricator.
Qur'an says they twist the words,and it's a frustrating challenge to them.the twisting can refer to the writings.
Also past qur'ans are not boss over today's qurans because today's qur'an's are not classed as mouldy eg they do not age through the passing of time.
I'm not sure I follow you, but no, the writers were probably not Parisian Greeks. And no, the original writer used a short Kaf, as is the norm in this Hijazi script. In this episode, you can see the second occurrence of Kalalah. It has a short Kaf.
@@TAlexander .short Kaf or long Kaf is still just a Kaf.
also in today's qur'an's ,the word in question is written as Kaf.Lam.Ha ,and not as Kaf.Lam.Lam.Ha👈 and what kind of semetic root is that suppose to be enfersizing!
Thomas,just keep up the good work as u r doing.u r seeking the truth and that is what is important 🙂.
@@TAlexander
quran 36:66 ur name is their 👉 la Thomas na.
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@@TAlexander .the written letter Kaf,can be written in various ways (ie one is like a 'b' with a 45° line.the length of the line is not of importance for identification purposes). What u take as an additional LAM is actually the backing of the 'b' Kaf.
all I am saying is the Word recited as Kalalaha ,in current day qur'an's is written as kalaha and not as the codex Parisino-Petropolitanus
@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 In the current Qur'an, the exact spelling is 'Kaf', 'Lam', 'Lam', 'Ha' ('Klla'), which can be pronounced as 'Kalla' or 'Kalaala' depending on the vowels. However, in Codex Parisino, the spelling is 'Kaf', 'Lam', 'Ha' (Kla), and can only be pronounced as 'Kalla'.
If we examine first-century manuscripts, we consistently find 'Klla', not 'Kla'. For example, the Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin manuscripts Ms. or. fol. 4313 (VOHD 17, A, 1, 1, 1) and Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305) are dated between 640-680 and 660-710 respectively, and the Khedivial Library's Qāf 47 (Q47) is dated between 640-680. All of these manuscripts, including Codex Parisino, are Uthmanic text type, written after 650. Therefore, the word 'Kla' in Codex Parisino-Petropolitanus is likely a scribe error. Even if it were intentional, it cannot be considered the correct spelling without corroboration from other contemporary manuscripts. If there are no other witnesses, a claim will still a claim. Also, we don't know anything about the scribe of Codex Parisino. It's unclear why some believe it to be reliable and Muslims unreliable.
Secondly, there are many places in Codex Parisino where the scribe forgot to write one or two letters, such as verse 152 of Surat Al-Imran where the scribe forgot to write two letters 'Wow' instead of one. Verse 193 of Surat Al-Imran, the scribe wrote two letters 'Mem' instead of one, verse 171 of Surat Al-Nisa in which the scribe forgot to write the letter 'Ta' after the 'Mem'. And so on, it is very clear that these are just scribe errors, which is why the author of the video could not take advantage of them.
Well in the end, let people see what they want to see.
www.scribd.com/document/388281135/saleh-powers-muh-pdf
This theory has already been debunked.
John of Damascus mentions the story of Zayd before 750.
What will be your answer? That passage of John of Damascus was also added in by the Abbasids?😁
John of Damascus account has been updated many times. The section about the religion of the Arabs is full of interpolations, different writing styles, insertions, sudden narrative shifts, etc.
It can not be used to date anything. And no, it wasn’t the Abbasids but Christians who "improved" upon the older versions by adding new angles of attack against obvious depravity and inconsistencies which originally weren’t in the text.
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The bible has also been updated many times.
Your Christian sources that you use to attack islam have been updated many times. But you accept them to go back to the time they were written. You are not consistent.
I haven't heard any scholar who claims that the story of Zayd in the writings of John of Damascus are added later. There is no evidence for that.
Christians use John of Damascus for theology. Especially the Eastern Orthodox Christians. They don't agree with you either.
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The story is also found in The Kitab Al Irja of Hasan ibn Muhammad ibn al Hanafiyyah.
He died 100 years after Hijra. He is a first century source.
The book was written around the end of the 7th or just the beginning of the 8th century.
First of all, if I use Christian sources, I do so in context. I never take anything at face value. For example, John of Damascus' book on heresies is strong evidence that the Quran was altered, namely that several verses have been dropped. The book faithfully quotes several Surahs, only, one passage about a she-camel is missing in the Quran. However, given the uncertain history of the book, I wouldn't be able to tell you WHEN these verses were attested to in the Quran, could be the early 8th century, could be much later.
As for the added verses, of course there's evidence. It's right in this video. You'd have to be wilfully blind to not see it. And I have provided the references in the video description. Powers is a reputable scholar. So I'm afraid that your ignorance on the matter does not constitute an argument.
What utter nonsense!
Ha! Ha! Unmitigated BS! ;)
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Hey Thomas i recently came across an account from a Bishop Sebeous in 661? who mention mohammed as preaching one God etc is this true?have you come across this before?
Yes. I’m aware of it. It’s a pseudographic text. I will cover it and other texts like it soon.
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It means it was written by someone else under Sebeus name. Something very common at that time. For example most Biblical Apocrypha, i.e. non-canonical books, are pseudographic.
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