The mentalist | Ronn Winter | TEDxHickory
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- Magician, Mentalist and Psychological Entertainer, Ronn Winter has been using the art of deception, psychology, and influence to entertain CEOs, Executives, Managers, and Employees from companies, corporations, and resorts such as Google Data, Fifth Third Bank, Neiman Marcus, Duke Energy, UPS, MGM resorts, The Bellagio, and more for over a decade.
Developing an obsession in high school with finding out what makes us tick, and learning how to read people, Ronn Winter has devoted many years to learning the process of plucking thoughts from people's minds.
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My left ear really enjoyed this
I blamed my headphone
My right one did too
iamnived I hope you apologized
It was just a magically mentally psychological experiment. But I'm not sure what the purpose was.
How does that happen? At the recording studio?
What makes this talk most interesting and valuable was not the results. It's the process he explained that was most enlightening and entertaining. Comments seem to miss that.
He didn't explained anything. It's only fake explanation. Shame that TEDx allows that kind of fraudery.
This is incredible, suggesting the ability to intuit/understand each other semi-consciously in ways that are hard to consciously understand but which help us to align if we want to another human being.
Play at 1.5x playback speed.
You're welcome. ;-)
+Brainbuster was better at 2
You're a star.
1.25 👌
soooooooo cool, I love Tedx stuff.
I do this all the time in my magic act. I read their mind in bars and stuff. if my card force doesn't work but I've already committed to this trick I sometimes use this same method and I haven't been wrong yet. it gets great reactions
How to learn this, can you please tell me ?
I won’t ask you for your secrets, but could you guide me? Where would I go or what would I need to do/read to learn how to do this too? Thank you!
Why can't TED have a better ogranised AV team; some videos in 240p, this one mixed to the left.
Good work.
Watch out for the cables.
My right ear is jealous.My left ear is live the life.
Even if it wasn't real, I think it is interesting in the way of discovering subconscious reaction and understanding natural responses.
its not fake... its based on psychology.. and mannerism studies. I have taken some of these techniques and used them on family and friends and random people with 95% accuracy. There are books and all kinds of things about this that you can pick up online or at the library. Watch Keith Barry's Ted Talk if you want a more entertaining version of this that you will be left with no answer but that it must be fake.
jonathan Gaber could you recommend some books to do them. like real stuffs and no trickery.
jonathan Gaber You're an even bigger liar than the scum bag in the video. Anyone who truly believes that "mentalism" effects are about psychology, subtle gestures or micro-expressions is completely deluded. It's disappointing that TED would buy into this kind of deception.
7j557j7j5 DISCLAIMER: Before you read further and think i'm some nutter, I want you to know that I mostly (AGREE WITH YOU) I just realize you've been playing keyboard warrior with allot of silly people and i'd hate for you to write me off before you read what I posted. Take a deep breath, I am a friend and I invite you to read what I posted with your wonderful mind! I look forward to your honest answer, just know I too wanted to find the truth in the magic and took the time to figure exactly how they do it and here is what I think of this video"
Part of what he does is called cold reading, you make educated or generalized guess in the form of statements, then you just use techniques from hellstromism by reading muscle movements in the face and posture and when you touch them as you instruct them to visualize and imagine them saying a word.
There's a science to reading expressions but from my research into it I haven't found a technique that has guaranteed results, but global sociological studies have shown that human expression of emotion is universal, meaning that the idea of intuiting certain responses from primed questions that are phrased in ways to trigger such responses by distracting conscious process is really not out of the realm of possibility.
Cold reading is a deception technique, of course he has no idea what they're REALLY thinking, and IS just making educated guesses and statements, but it's the reaction to those statements that then start to narrow down the criteria, what he says isn't what's really happening, what he's saying is meant to distract them away from what he's really looking for, he says "oh your eyebrows gave you away" which cause them to start consciously thinking about maintaining a poker face and not giving anything away but a person only has so much conscious power. If you over stimulate someone with stress of being on stage, flashy body language of an authority figure and the previous anticipation of knowing you be on stage and having to wait to do so, letting the anxiety build and making it a huge event, the idea that there would be some "tells" that could eventually lead to a fairly accurate or at the very least a probable outcome is not unfounded, couple that with suggestible people and it gets allot easier.
You make great points about mentalist scams, prestaged events and things not being the way they are presented and you're right to some extent, but you also must realize he is also a self professed magician. I'm sure half of what he's saying is straight misdirection but that's the point, you emotionally misdirect people into accidentally revealing small clues which over time, and coupled with expression reading, body language and hellstromism can lead to a reasonable guess. Is that guess 100% accurate every time? No, but can and has it worked? Yes.
I will say that there is legitimate and extensive studies on facial expression and emotions, body language and lie detection and it holds allot of valuable information but I will agree with you and say it will only work on the non critical and distracted mind, alone it is not sufficient to deduce accurate answers but if you couple it with social pressure of peers, authority figures cold reading and other misdirection techniques on a person who is unaware of how to identify these techniques it is not unfounded to say that you can paint a clear enough picture or answer that is reasonable to go on, At least for simple answers on a stage show.
I'd like to hear what you think, feel free to PM me or post on this thread.
@@Ragglfraggle where can you find the howtos and techniques to learn some of these subtleties?
Can't hide anything from this guy
On his music reference, the first time I heard Tearing Away by Drowning Pool I sang along word for word without missing a beat the 1st time I heard it. Weirdest thing I've ever done, no idea how I knew, I just did.
There's 16 minutes of my life I'll never get back. I've seen more excitement at the DMV.
The volunteers didn't seem that surprised. The ladies dint show much eagerness to check the board so see if he got it right.
its staged
The 2nd lady didnt even check what he has written. Any normal person would check and get surpriced
I live in Wisconsin NOONE THINKS OF IT! lol
+Richard Brazeau SAME
@@mypccrap Same and Minnesota gets ignored too.
The first woman blinks everytime he says the number she’s thinking!!
3:12 >>> The cable thing was not mentalism.
It was fortune-telling. XD
You can tell he messed this up, by asking the first lady to think of a year, and then try and reveal a name, he predicted it was 4 letters long, however when he realised and moved onto the second lady, her name happened to be 4 letters long also, clearly showing that the name, date and place were pre thought of. Another clue is he asked them "do you remember your SPECIAL word" he then removed the word special to seem a more random, free choice. At the end he did not reveal the first lady's thought of name like he said he would do because guess what...a movement of the tongue at the back of your mouth does not signify a letter you are thinking of
its staged
No sound..turn up volume.
How??? I also think the name Alan... He wasn't reading minds, he leads my mind.
Patrick Jane is that you?
I like the video, but it's hard for me to keep watching and listening because I am only getting audio in one ear (headphones.) I am certain my headphones are fully functional, and have encountered this with other videos. To the uploader: Please check the audio on this video
I've spent years trying to learn this, trying to get accepted into this secret society, but it's like asking a wall to move :(
I'm a member of this secret society (not that I would call it that). What is it that you don't get with mentalism? One thing only. I can give you an idea on how it is done depending on how much I want to give away.
+SamFXNZ I just want to find a book or a online course that will teach me advanced mentalism. Who did you learn from if you don't mind me asking. And you don't have to say anything if it's too important of a secret.
JamesSkuzz I learnt most of the basics myself starting with card magic. Now I only perform mentalism or impromptu stuff. Impromptu mixed with mentalism is the best. Since you seem genuine about learning I'll give a tip to a certain book that is the starting block. What's your private contact? Go into one of my videos and leave it in the comments if you want, then once I get it I can can delete the comment.
JamesSkuzz
Get yourself a book titled, 13 Steps to Mentalism.
@@samfxnz trying to learn some propless mentalism read few books but not full such as 13 steps and mental magic etc trying to read micro expression but not yet suceesful watching Ted talks of mentalist
The mono sound is bugging me. Only left ermar has sound.
And by ermar I mean ear.
mentalist aathi is the best
Hai bro
Aathi chettan poli aanu
Yes, i thought the same too he is fast.
A touch can be fatal when it is there
The second lady didn't clearly see what was written on the board but acted like he has written the right name.
The sound is missing the right channel.
dude...... get on with it
Groan!!!
My left speaker is broken -.-
That was exceedingly boring and I love mentalism.
Robert Bullock the way he was presenting it was really boring
Shouldn't a mentalist realize this is how they're portraying themself, if they have any expertise at all in that arena!?
No one will beat Derren Brown!
Oh Bank
That guy sure acts like he just wants to go to sleep and isn't enthused by any of this. He should know that's how he's portraying himself if he's a psychological expert.
As I look around this room I see plenty of untapped potential. 👉you have potential and you👉 have potential. Oh boy !
Aka a guessing game
This guy need a masterclass off Derren Brown! Jesus!!
Colin cloud would have done this in 5 sec.😂
This was a setup. There really are people with highly developed skills in reading facial expressions and things but stuff like This is just arranged entertainment....kinda like magicians do. These showmen are Always very very careful about the people they choose to participate and they will Never honestly deal with a random person
They always deal with a truly random person. Mentalist wouldn't have a job if they didn't have a method to be 100% sure of the correct answer/prediction. This is a trick, that's it, plain and simple. There's no risk of being wrong.
I've never worked in the show business before but many magicians such as Penn and Teller talk all the time about how all mentalism is bullshit. That there is always 100% certainty in the answers and predictions. Why? Because it's just a trick.
My middle ear just is.
It almost went from his hands. How did he know the first lady was thinking of a name. And then changed to year. Both ladies thought of a 4 letter name ?? All set up
Mentalist, Hypnotists but Theologists.... who are actually accredited scholars in the world, never end up getting a TED talk
Wtf where is the sound ???
So ??!
i mean what's the point of all of this
So what was the name the first woman thought of lol
I didnt say that I find supernatural things more believable. I'm saying that to MOST of the population, it's more mysterious and entertaining. If anyone believes that a head nod or body 'tells' could give away an entire thought in someones mind then they are just as much a 'dumbass' as you call it. I don't think anyone is a dumbass, people either want to believe or want to be entertained. most people arent losing sleep trying to figure things out. most just want good entertainment. look up Richard Osterlind, or someone like Theodore Anneman from back in the day, they usually do these amazing things without making ANY claims. I make no claims either. It's not like I tell my audience that I'm supernatural or that I just 'have this power' . I just DO things and move on. I let them decide things for themselves. Why would you make some bogus claim about body reading? I'm saying from a theatrical point of view, it just takes a bit of the mystique out of it. From an audience view, I would find it a tad unbeliveable of the claims they are making. He should imply it, not state that its body language. If you really could read body language like that, you wouldnt TELL the audience that, you'd entertain them with it. It would be the 'secret method' they were using, not the presentation itself.
try polish name Grzegorz
Everybody is mentalist after Darren brown happened
Easy. The participants' body language is their undoing. Their hands remain hidden throughout the presentation.
Should try it on pocker
What's pocker ?
Watch out for the cables and wires and the women trips on one 🤣😂
2 four letter names I call bullshit
Sorry, but Derren Brown does this 100x better. And he's been doing for much longer.
+sigthor2015 And I believe in this guy more than the tv star
+sigthor2015 i went to a show of Derren Browns. Right at the start he asked people to write funny things down that had happend to them . we put them in a glass bow to be taken on stage by his staff and then he set fire to the slips of paper we had written on.
later he randomly picked me and read my mind. it just happen to be what i had written down for him. but everyone seemed to forget or didn't know some members of the crowd did this. We were up on high row in Norwich.
However he is very good at showmanship and blends a very good act together with lots of talents. A true Mentalist !
+FamiliaCrew this guy would have asked question prior to them going on stage. Important dates, names of loved ones, states where they live. He may have do this very subtly so they were not aware.....all that changing of the name and state was for effect and drama. trust me. You will find the first lady probably has a child born in 2011, clearly next ladies husband is called Alan and finally the man's mother will live in Wisconsin.....this is just my guess but i'm not far off the track i'm sure!!
Disappointing that I know how fake this was ahaha
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Wow, this stuff being on TED now? "Buy snake oil from TED, 100% legit, because it's from TED" ;-)
Paul Komarnicki 7j557j7j5
Same thing I left to the above poster.
The same way we don't go to movies and say "Oh that actor didn't really
die, I saw him on an interview the other day", "Oh that explosion wasn't
real, it's all CGI", "She doesn't really love him, she's married to
another guy!" is why you have to look at this from the stand point of a
presentation, imagine that this is a play done with members of the
audience, the magician, mentalist, psychological illusionist, does not
want to convince you that what he does is real. Outside the context of a
performance the audience has to know this isn't real, inside the
context of a performance it's it is meant to look that way because any
other way the suspension of disbelief will be broken. The same way why
Disney makes things look as real as possible, so you can pretend and
enjoy things better or the same way why actors can act with such
realness, because any other way would just be disappointing.
+Paul Komarnicki Hey I like this video, especially your tips for mentalist
. Something I
also found helpfull when i search on google about mentalist
by Corbandy mental tricks crusher
buy some of that magic elixir, It works miracles....but not too good with stains.....
TEDx. The x stands for shitty audio
The x indicates that it's a TED franchise. Good audio/video isn't cheap. So, if you want to make TEDx better, buy a ticket and go to one. Or just donate.
It's very disappointing that TED has been sucked into this scam. Him (or an assistant) speak with the participants beforehand, it's all prearranged. It's how 90% of mentalism effects work. I'm happy for TED to cover this material, but they should be upfront about it and at least mention or show the backstage element. It's dishonest to pretend that it's all improvised. If you want to read about the technique, google the article "Lior Suchard Will Definitely Get Freaky With You, But It May Be Before The Show". Anyone who thinks that this is about microexpressions, psychology or subtle gestures is completely deluded.
7j557j7j5 ...wow where do I start... first it's not a "scam" because there is no intention of defrauding with the intent of any wrong doing (I.E. make someone believe in the supernatural, take money from them, etc, etc), it's entertainment/art. Mediums, psychics, faith healers, astrologists, etc are scams (only if overtly, or covertly, done with the intent to deceive or obtain something). If you consider this a scam then you must label all art and entertainment a scam as well; The same way we don't go to movies and say "Oh that actor didn't really die, I saw him on an interview the other day", "Oh that explosion wasn't real, it's all CGI", "She doesn't really love him, she's married to another guy!" is why you have to look at this from the stand point of a
presentation, imagine that this is a play done with members of the
audience, the magician, mentalist, psychological illusionist, does not want to convince you that what he does is real. Outside the context of a performance the audience has to know this isn't real, inside the context of a performance it's it is meant to look that way because any other way the suspension of disbelief will be broken. The same way why Disney makes things look as real as possible, so you can pretend and enjoy things better or the same way why actors can act with such realness, because any other way would just be disappointing.
karasuenjeru Bullshit, it _is_ a scam. Look, I would agree with you if TED was for purely entertainment purposes. For example, if this guy was performing at a bar/restaurant/club then OK, fine, it's all in good fun. But TED is supposed to be "ideas worth spreading" in a with cultural, scientific or academic emphasis. This guy is being dishonest with the audience and no, not everyone realises how this works; TED talks are open to the public and most people think that this guy uses microexpressions, psychology or subtle gestures to read the answers. TED is supposed to be "ideas worth spreading" but this guy does NOT provide any ideas or info (about his craft) to the audience.
I think if he spoke honestly about his craft or about deception, or spoke about being an entertainer or something like that, fine. But in this performance he discreetly deceives the audience and lies to them. It's the same as having a TED talk about astrology or reiki healing. The people who organise these conferences are trained to root out and avoid stuff like this (or any pseudoscience) and obviously the group organising this conference got scammed. Pseudoscience is NOT an idea worth spreading, TED was created to educate the public and steer them _away_ from pseudoscience.
This message might end up being a little long, so please only read it if you are genuinely interested in knowing more about the subject matter.
What I told you about mentalism (or magic in general) wasn't something I read from some pop fact out of the internet, I have 9+ years of experience as a magician/mentalist and this art-form is not meant to make anyone believe this stuff is real. Granted it can get confusing if, like in this presentations case,
it is not stated in some form that this is for entertainment or the performer doesn't state it aloud, yet it clearly says "mentalist". Not psychologist, not academic, not professor; mentalist. This should
give you a relative idea as to what you might expect, and if it doesn't you can just search it up (like anything), if someone doesn’t know the difference between astrology and astronomy they might get confused, but it's their job to look up the difference.
Now about you saying he should provide some insight on his craft, here is a very good reason why we don’t. Magic (or any branch thereof) is based on secrecy, why? Because its job is to create mysteries, and you can’t create a mystery without a secret. This should be simple to understand, yet for some odd reason people don't get it.
Now I think your biggest mistake comes in the later part of your comment, labeling this as pseudo-science. Yes pseudo-science should always be labeled, if it can’t be scientifically verified, tested or proven, yet it claims scientific roots, it should be labeled pseudo-science. Now here lies the problem, and it is dual edged. This idea of using psychology, micro-expressions, etc., it’s just the presentational aspect of the performance (sort of like how a movie would "explain" how his main character has his abilities, they don't have to be true; they are just use for the context of the story). A presentation is not a claim of these things being real or true, they are used as a guideline to understand the "effect" (effect means "what it appears to be", what you would call the "trick"), because without them the "trick" wouldn’t make much sense. Take his performance and remove all aspects of the psychological, we have a guy on stage that's just saying things, without any context or meaning. Now put a presentation or a reasoning/motivation behind it and...
"Ladies and gentlemen I will now demonstrate my ability to read minds!" (Pardon the cliché)
Now it makes sense, now you can say "oh yeah this guy is going to read minds". Whether it’s true or not depends on what you believe, but the performer does not need to say that this is fake because it is implied in the very fact that it’s a magic show. The performer is not responsible for what you choose to believe. The very context of this being art, this being a show for entertainment and this being a "test" of "skills" should, to any reasonable person, say that this is not science, it’s just a show, because if it where science these are not properly controlled conditions for such "tests".
Now here comes the modern problem of using this type of psychological presentation; it's partially true. There have been studies conducted on micro-expressions and the like ("the like" meaning all the different aspects of this topic), we know that subconsciously these things do happen, this is the basis of how polygraph machines work, measuring small deviations in heart rate, sweat, breathing, blood pressure. A professional poker player or a crime interrogator can pick up nonverbal cues from people, dilation in the eyes, how they are speaking, how they behave. Most of our communication as humans is nonverbal. Now all of these things are not sure fire, they are not the same in every person and it shouldn’t be said that "you learn these skills and you can just use them", because it doesn’t work that way, that's the Hollywood, Sherlock type appearance of it, and it’s because of this that makes it so attractive and believable. As a study of psychology and human behavior it gives us insight; as a skill you can use... well let me just say it would be VERY hit and miss and unreliable. You have, for example, good liars, actors or sociopathic people who can cover up lies almost perfectly. Just look at a good actress in any mayor love movie, you could for a moment believe she really loves him, yet you now that’s not true.
In the earlier days of mentalism (where "wizards" would read minds with mathematical tricks) and in its golden years (where Victorian parlor séances where being held) some performers used the "presentation" unethically, they said they could read minds, contact the dead, etc. They claimed it to be true, people believed it to be true so it was indeed a "scam". Yet the context of it being a show still remained (except for a few unsavory individuals) no one was really using their shows to "prove" anything to anyone, it was just a show. They used the subject of contacting the dead or mindreading (psychic abilities) as a presentational hook to present their show. Now we have the field of psychology which has given us a glimpse of how the mind operates and this gives us a new way to present our show. But like in the old days it can be misunderstood, misinterpreted and even misused.
But the clue is in the name.
Now before I end let me say this in the most clear of manners to sum things up.
MENTALISM IS NOT SCIENCE.
I repeat.
MENTALISM IS NOT SCIENCE.
No one claims it to be, so it's not a scam or pseudo-science.
It's just for entertainment purposes.
Now you can take off your sherlockian hat good sir (or madam) and use this information to fight other important battles like say psychics, faith healers, mediums, crystal gazers, etc., etc., or you can be the master of obviousity and be the guy that says "Hey did you see all that blood and in the movie, they didn't really die!"... Yeah no shit... but just in case, no sharks was harmed in the making of jaws...
And about TED being about sharing scientific, scholarly or cultural ideas, we'll you are half right. It says "ideas" meaning to anything, and this is definitely something. Not scientifically, but artistically, it's a performance, and it should be in TED's best interest to label these in the future to not get confusion... and on a side note, I use the term "art" loosely on him because I really did not enjoy his performance or presentation. But that's just my opinion and a subject for another day.
karasuenjeru ted do talks on art forms tommy emmanuel does one on music theres even a japanese guy who does one on the yoyo
This new trend in mentalism sucks. A mentalist is supossed to be performing amazing and mysterious feats of supernatural and paranormal nature. Things that are just ... coming to them. Almost something they cannot control. Almost like guessing based on what they see in their head. Not this whole 'body language' and 'psychological NLP' shit. I find it waaaay more believable and entertaining if its "I do t know why.. but ..I'm pucking up the name.......Jeremy" or something.
Jesse James Miller - Mentalist Nope thats a phychic
Jesse James Miller - Mentalist Nope thats a phychic
TheGeniusAnd nope. a psychic fully claims and sometimes believes that they really do have powers AND they cross the line of ethics and 'talk to the dead'. A mentalist should flirt with the idea of the supernatural without actually making any claims, as it is a show but allude to some sort of mystery. Do your homework and look at the best mentalists in history. Unless Darren Brown is the only one you know. A mentalist should be doing the type things that looks like mind reading. that's what a mentalist is. It's similar to a psychic but more entertaining and not crossing ethical lines. the 'body reading' stuff obviously is BS, and even if it wasn't, then why even call it mentalism? be more accurate and call it a 'physicalist'.
Jesse James Miller - Mentalist I think the body reading is more amazing than whatever the hell you're trying to make out "what mentalists should be." Go be a magician if you want to create a sense of wonder and mystery.
Jesse James Miller - Mentalist Why...? People who can't provide an answer to how they do things does nothing but label them as fake and scam artists. Ie. "Psychics". Those people disgust me. This guy is nothing but a performer, should he be on TED? I don't think so, should he be on stage? Of course!!! The fact that you find something supernatural over science based more believable makes you sound like a dumbass I'm sorry.
was he a mentalist or Crazy ??
totally staged bullshit "
Prove it or stop whining lol
who cares ?
bullshit is what it is . . .
:D
TEDx shame on you
this is total nonsens , TEDx gets worse and worse ....uhhhh :(
Boooooooooring!
What a waste of 16 minutes
The problem here is that he's lying and passing off a trick for applied psychology.... not at a stage show but at a symposium that is intended to be a forum for academic discussion.
There are absolutely interesting techniques to discuss about how mentalists get information but 98% of them have nothing to do with reading people or body language - the ones that do aren't this specific or reliable. If you want to learn about 50 different ways of getting information from an audience member without them realizing you've done it, pick up a copy of 13 steps to mentalism -- it's the "Mentalist's Bible". It would make for a great Ted Talk but... since most mentalism hasn't changed or been significantly evolved in the past 200 years or so, it would be hard to do without exposing your entire repertoire.
Most mentalists aren't the biggest fans of psychics/mediums because a lot of what mentalists do overlaps with what they do....and that leads them to strongly believe that psychics are either deliberately misleading people to gain money off of a false sense of hope or belief in something that is known by the "psychic" to be untrue..... or they're not well informed enough to know what they're doing on instinct.
A lot of the reaction your seeing in the comments is from people that know that this performance is a trick..... understand how it works.... and don't like that he's doing what any other charlatan with a crystal ball does by trying to pass it off as something more.
Fake
=x quite badly done...
Sooo boring and dragging presentation!
Boringggggg!
lacking charisma
Bad acting. So fake