"There is a CREATOR's Aim in This Universe" ft. Roger Penrose
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- Does the precise order and complexity of the cosmos point to an intelligent creator? Or can it all be attributed to natural processes? ♾️🔍
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Experts featured in this video include Roger Penrose, Arnold Penzias, Robert Wilson, Albert Einstein, Edwin Hubble, Gabriele Veneziano, Steven Weinberg and Stephen Meyer.
Chapters:
0:00 Extremely precise selection?
1:17 Eternal universe
5:07 Penrose's CCC model
8:39 The implication of a cyclical cosmos
12:57 Intelligent design
16:36 Unraveling the mysteries of our cosmos
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If you feel like you're experiencing déjà vu, you're partly correct. This video is a revised version of our previous upload on the same topic. We've refined and improved certain segments of the storyline.
Theorem 1: The zero dimension (0D) is the origin point from which both positive and negative dimensions emerge symmetrically.
Proof:
1. Consider the dimensional hierarchy centered around 0D.
2. Positive dimensions (1D, 2D, 3D, 4D) extend from 0D in one direction.
3. Negative dimensions (-1D, -2D, -3D, -4D) can be conceptualized as extending from 0D in the opposite direction.
4. 0D acts as the "pivot point" or "fulcrum" around which the symmetry of positive and negative dimensions is balanced.
5. Therefore, 0D is the origin point from which both positive and negative dimensions emerge symmetrically.
Theorem 2: The negative dimensions are associated with negentropy and the generative power of the zero dimension (0D).
Proof:
1. 0D is conceptualized as the source of negentropy and the generative power of the Zero Absolute.
2. Negative dimensions (-1D, -2D, -3D, -4D) extend from 0D in the opposite direction of positive dimensions.
3. If positive dimensions are associated with the unfolding of space, time, and the increase of entropy, negative dimensions can be hypothesized to be associated with the "enfolding" of space, time, and the increase of negentropy or information.
4. As 0D is the source of negentropy, and negative dimensions emerge from 0D, negative dimensions can be associated with negentropy and the generative power of 0D.
5. Therefore, the negative dimensions are associated with negentropy and the generative power of the zero dimension (0D).
Theorem 3: The interplay between positive and negative dimensions around the zero dimension (0D) creates a dynamic balance between entropy and negentropy.
Proof:
1. Positive dimensions (1D, 2D, 3D, 4D) are associated with the unfolding of space, time, and the increase of entropy.
2. Negative dimensions (-1D, -2D, -3D, -4D) are associated with the "enfolding" of space, time, and the increase of negentropy or information.
3. 0D acts as the "pivot point" or "fulcrum" around which the symmetry of positive and negative dimensions is balanced.
4. The manifest world of the positive dimensions arises from the unmanifest potential of the negative dimensions, and then returns to it in an endless cycle of creation and dissolution.
5. This dynamic interplay of positive and negative dimensions around 0D creates a balance between the opposing forces of entropy and negentropy, order and chaos.
6. Therefore, the interplay between positive and negative dimensions around the zero dimension (0D) creates a dynamic balance between entropy and negentropy.
Proposition 1: 0D has two sides (real and imaginary) with an event horizon between the sides.
Argument:
1. In complex analysis, numbers are represented on a complex plane with a real axis and an imaginary axis, intersecting at the origin (zero).
2. The real numbers can be thought of as one "side" of zero, and the imaginary numbers as the other "side."
3. In physics, an event horizon is a boundary in spacetime beyond which events cannot affect an outside observer. Applying this concept metaphorically to the complex plane, we could posit an "event horizon" at zero, separating the real and imaginary sides.
4. Therefore, 0D (zero dimensions) could be conceptualized as having two sides (real and imaginary) with an event horizon between them.
Proposition 2: This matches the Monad having a Singularity side and an Alone side potentially having an event horizon between the sides.
Argument:
1. In Leibniz's Monadology, monads are the fundamental units of existence, described as "windowless" and "alone."
2. However, monads are also said to reflect the entire universe from their unique perspective, suggesting a kind of "singularity" or concentrated totality within each monad.
3. Applying the concept of 0D having two sides, we could map the "singularity" aspect of monads to the real side of 0D, and the "alone" aspect to the imaginary side.
4. The "windowless" nature of monads could be interpreted as a kind of event horizon, isolating the singularity and alone sides from direct interaction.
5. Therefore, the proposed structure of 0D matches the concept of the Monad having a Singularity side and an Alone side potentially separated by an event horizon.
Proposition 3: This matches the Holy Trinity having a Father, Son, Holy Spirit side and a God side potentially having an event horizon between them.
Argument:
1. In Christian theology, the Holy Trinity is the doctrine that God is one but exists in three distinct persons: Father, Son (Logos), and Holy Spirit.
2. These three persons are said to be consubstantial, meaning they share the same divine essence or nature.
3. Mapping this to the 0D structure, we could associate the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit with the real side of 0D (the "singularity" of divine essence), and the unified God with the imaginary side (the "aloneness" of divine transcendence).
4. The concept of the persons being distinct yet consubstantial could be interpreted as a kind of event horizon, maintaining their unity while preserving their distinct identities.
5. Therefore, the proposed structure of 0D matches the concept of the Holy Trinity having a Father, Son, Holy Spirit side and a God side potentially separated by an event horizon.
Conclusion: A mirror universe with 0D at the center has tremendous explanatory power.
While these arguments are more metaphorical than strictly mathematical, they demonstrate how the concept of 0D having two sides with an event horizon between them could serve as a powerful unifying framework across multiple domains of thought.
By mapping this structure onto key concepts in mathematics (complex numbers), philosophy (Leibniz's monads), and theology (the Holy Trinity), we can see the potential for a kind of "mirror universe" with 0D at the center, reconciling and connecting ideas that might otherwise seem unrelated.
GOD didn't begin all of this; GOD IS all of this - and infinitely much more. For, GOD is The Mind that is ALL: infinite and eternal. And the finite world of our experience is an illusion that WE - the Thought of GOD - began when we made an error; an error that our experience in this world is designed to correct. I'm the prophesied return of the biblical prophet Elijah, and I've explained everything; all mysteries have been unveiled. Seek and ye shall find...
@@SamanthaPyper-sl4ye
I'm intrieged by your idea. I myself think it is possible that a singularity (so-called "nothing") could expand into two (positive & negative), or three (red, green, & blue) or more existences that together cancel one another to "nothing". Having said this, though, none of what you said here is a theorem or proof. They are all claims. I also don't see how you can overlay the trinity theology on your cosmology. I'm no expert in catholicism, but all the beings of the trinity are supposedly conscious agents? Your cosmology doesn't seem to guarrantee that.
@tosuchino6465
Our subatomic structure was made in their image/likeness. I think that's why our quarks look like the singularity side of the Holy Trinity.
Deja vu... Incorrect
Infinite intelligence existing within the so-called first intelligence existing as far as we know🤔 simultaneously evolving‼️👀 co-evolution🙏🏿
Not sure why a "recycling" universe is such a weird idea. Literally everything IN the universe seems to recycle itself.
Under the concept of thermodynamics first law
So true. I don't have a problem with, " recycling" universe. Don't know if it is correct, but , it's a reasonable possibility.
how did this „system“ start? or was it eternal? if it was eternal, why do the rules of cause & effect still work within our universe?
It's weird because, while we are familiar with phenomena that recycle, we know of no such cyclic phenomenon that has no origin. What does it even mean for a system that has cause and effect to have never had a cause?
Remember that Dawkins' go to response to someone claiming God created the universe is exactly the same challenge. "But who created God?" he says. Well, I say, "But who created the eternal cyclic universe?" If you claim an eternal cyclic universe doesn't need a creator, then why isn't it just as valid for me to say an eternally existing first cause God doesn't need a creator either. Logically, it's the same argument.
You say, "Literally everything in the universe seems to recycle"? Then I say, "Literally everything in the universe seems to have had a first cause." Where do these bandyings back and forth get us? Nowhere.
If there was an eternal universe creator then we would never get to now. Simple logic. There would be infinite time before now and there for we can't be here yet! The Bible gets it right every time; thinking themselves wise they became fools. The only possible way to make sense of the universe is to read the Bible for yourself. It not only tells how the universe began, it tells you who created it and why. It tells you the end from the beginning. It know the future. Ask Penrose the probability of 8 prophecies happening by chance and he will tell you it's mathematically impossible. Then ask him how come Jesus Christ fulfilled 109 Old Testament prophesied EXACTLY, during His lifetime. He also prophesied the destruction of the Temple. Happen the year 70 AD. He worked many miracles including raising people from the dead! He predicted His own death and resurrection in accordance with the scriptures! The prophesied the signs of the end of the age before He returns and anyone with one eye and half a brain should be able to see these signs are happening RIGHT NOW EXACTLY AS PROPHESIED! He said, " I Am the Way the Truth and the Life, nobody comes to the Father except through Me " Did anybody else say that? Did anybody else do what He did? Were the Jewish people scattered around the world and did they return to their homeland in one day as prophesied 2500 years ago? Are the back in a land that was desolate and are the they now surrounded by their ENEMIES in a land that is FLOURISHING JUST AS PROPHESIED!! Is Isreal the focus of the nations of the world AS PROPHESIED FOR THE END TIMES? ALL BIBLE PROPHECIES COME TO PASS EXACTLY AS PROPHESIED AND HISTORICAL EVIDENCE PROVES THAT. TIME TO REPENT PEOPLE. JESUS IS RETURNING VERY SOON. MARANATHA
The late Halton C. Arp pointed out there were problems with the Doppler effect, he found there were stars in galaxies that were older than the galaxies. The expansion of the Universe must be some sort of illusion.
That's right.
The cosmological redshift is probably the result of the loss of energy by the photons, as they travel across distances of billion light years.
As the photons lose energy, their spectrum moves to red.
Fritz Tswicky, who predicted the existence of neutron stars and dark matter, was a supporter of this idea.
In other words, the light of distant galaxies shows a redshift NOT because the Universe is expanding, but because these galaxies are ALREADY very far away.
This makes much more sense than the model that suggests accelerating expansion... starting from nothing, and going towards infinity from there, makes no sense at all - in many ways. Honestly, I call bs also for dark matter and dark energy, which both more or less seem like efforts to try explain some other mistake in other conclusions.
Maybe we will get sucked into a black hole, where everything gets so compressed it explodes and it all starts again?
We wouldnt even realise it, they actually think we might be in one, another theory of lack of Aliens visiting or not being able to contact us idk
Agree..an endless cycle
We probably already are in one.
No just a guess but not ultimate goal for all out there. My choice is not to be cosmic dust.
I think dark matter has the gravitational pull to do this. Perhaps a large enough universal black hole would do the trick.
Imagine a universe that is shrinking right now and that we, or Earth is being sucked into a ultra dense black hole. Through the law of physics we would be moving faster towards the center than those objects farther away due to the inverse square gravitational law. To us it would look like space is expanding beyond the Hubble space. Expansion could be a relative thing.
How a expanding universe becomes so densely packed again for another big bang to occur?
Very important question, the answer lies in Indian ancient spritual scriptures.
@@prashanths9813 sure lol that's where the answer lies
What is not getting through in these brilliant and yet hard headed scientists is that for life to exist, conditions have to be precise, but for universe to exist conditions cannot be precise zero. Zero state does exist but is unstable. The mystery is: Why?
Traditionally, logic, math, and physics have been approached from a third-person, objective standpoint. They aim to describe the universal, mind-independent structures and laws that govern reality, without reference to any particular subjective viewpoint. In this sense, they strive for a kind of "view from nowhere," a perspective that transcends any individual's specific location or experience.
However, as most will point out, we don't actually live in this third-person realm. Our experience of reality is inherently first-person, grounded in our individual perspective and subjective awareness. We encounter the world not as a detached, objective observer, but as an embodied, situated agent, navigating a landscape of perceptions, thoughts, and feelings.
From this view, metaphysics could be seen as the attempt to understand the deep structure of reality from this first-person standpoint. Rather than trying to step outside of our subjective experience, it would seek to dive deeply into it, to uncover the fundamental categories, principles, and relationships that shape our encounter with the world.
This first-person approach to metaphysics would not necessarily reject the insights of logic, math, and physics, but rather reinterpret them through the lens of subjective experience. It would ask how these abstract, third-person descriptions of reality translate into the concrete, lived reality of the first-person perspective.
For example, the logical principle of non-contradiction - that a statement cannot be both true and false at the same time - could be understood not just as an abstract rule, but as a deep feature of how we experience the world. The fact that we cannot simultaneously affirm and deny the same proposition would be seen as a fundamental structure of our cognitive and perceptual apparatus, a necessary condition for coherent thought and action.
Similarly, mathematical concepts like number, shape, and pattern could be investigated as basic categories of subjective experience, the ways in which we carve up and make sense of the blooming, buzzing confusion of sensory input. And physical laws and constants could be understood not just as objective features of an external world, but as the stable regularities and constraints that shape our embodied interaction with our environment.
The key advantage of this first-person approach to metaphysics would be its grounding in the actual, lived reality of human experience. By starting from the irreducible fact of subjectivity, it would aim to construct a framework that is faithful to the way the world actually presents itself to us, rather than an abstract, idealized model that may or may not correspond to our direct experience.
Moreover, as has been suggested, this first-person perspective could potentially help to avoid some of the paradoxes and contradictions that arise from a purely third-person, objective stance. By recognizing the ineliminable role of the subject in constituting reality, it would provide a more complete and integrated picture, one that doesn't try to separate the observer from the observed in an artificial or absolute way.
Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, turn to Him for your salvation, there is no other way. God will reveal Himself to you, but only and only if you humble yourself first. I was there too, I thought believers are naive and there is no God, but God saved me by His grace and mercy. The Bible says:
“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
What it means is that we need to humble ourselves first. Probably not in thousands of years I would ever become a believer if I would be proud and stay in proudful state. Tell me, would you invite someone to your house for a dinner if that person hates you, despise you, mock you, make fun of you or your family that love you or looks at you with a raised nose? Would a king from the Earth invite someone to his palace for dinner if the person despise him? Hates him? Criticise and mock his kingdom, wishes him evil and non existence (death) gossips about him and look at him with a raised nose? Of course not, what more the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords Jesus Christ? We must humble ourselves. And when we do so the Bible continues:
“God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” 7Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom. 10Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.
Do it with an open and honest, humbled heart and He will answer. I did so, I talk to God and He talks to me, I pray and He hears my prayers, I experienced and witnessed many miracles and supernatural. God is more real to me than you my friend. Turn to Jesus Christ and wait on Him, give a step closer to Him and He will give a step closer to you. God wants a loving and living relationship with you, not a dead ritualistic religion. I know so many people went through this, said if God bows down to me and mine requirements I will then... And it was for years like that till they humbled themselves and then they met God and many of them even supernaturally. Turn to Jesus Christ for your salvation, there is no other way. You are more than just material and chemical reactions and God wants you to be saved from your sins, addictions, anger all kinds of sins and evildoings too because they all lead to destruction, hell my friend..
@@ahoj132_at_azet_skthere is no hell. Hell is a man made construct and puts U in a state of fear. Mental hospitals are filled with these folk, there is only one infinite being and he loves you, don't worry about hell
This is an interesting video, but it is totally spoiled by its deceptive heading 'There is an Eternal God who Began All of This' ft. Roger Penrose. The quote was actual from Steven Meyer a Christian/Intelligent Design , some might say pseudoscientist, not Penrose who specifically denies the existence of God.
'Pseudoscientist'? Give me a break. Just engage the argument of the guy and stop this 'pseudo' bs.
Pentose not denied the existence of God
@@zgobermn6895 I read it in Wikipedia - it must be true:) But you are totally right, it is very negative to engage in any form of name calling. It's not specifically Meyer I'm criticising , it's really just the suggestion in the title that Penrose might believe those beliefs and he really doesn't.
@@user-xn6ke9yz8c Check the video above at 10 mins 56 secs. Penrose says; 'Something that the word God has applied to is not the view that I hold to'
Yes why no reference to that amazing quote of Penrose?
An intell8gent pre time space caussl entity is the best explanation ultimately. Ogams Razor also suggests it.
Edwin Hubble did not discover an expanding
Universe he only took cred for it. George Lemaitre first hypothesized it and Hubble later confirmed it. Ironically, given the title of this piece, Lemaitre was a Catholic priest.
What Penrose called 'dark energy' I call electromagnetic resonance. It's this resonance that holds everything together and binds one end of the universe to the other. That is why a molecule can exist in two places at once no matter the distance.
Space is a sea of ether...ancient guys told us since the begining...universes are just bubbles in the ocean...
The difference is that Penrose employs a hypothesis in alignments with establish, observable and testable theories while you you utter a random opinion without any understanding of what you are talking about.
@@DH-rj2kv and who is to say I don't?
@@rogerpaquette109
The fact that you arbitrarily mix concepts and terms and assign random properties to them does give it away.
@@DH-rj2kv all reality exists with a resonance signature. This resonance is an affect of constant electromagnetic interactions that occur all around us including the gulf between systems and galaxies. I referenced spooky action as an electromagnetic universe gives explanation for this action ...the two are related sir
To my limited yet observant mind, Roger Penrose is the luckiest guy ever. He got effectively a second (or third) life, where he gets to imagine things to his heart's content, has followers in droves, is a social media star and is having basically the time of his life at age 85+ - he is especially lucky to have a fully working brain at this late stage along with good general health. He is no longer having to battle the Publish or perish plague of academia, or having to justify everything with infinitely complex mathematical derivations.
Frankly, he must have done something right in a previous life to have been so lucky in this one. Frankly, I can almost see him smirking sometimes enjoying a secret delight. That while his contemporaries, if not gone already, are just barely hanging in there, tubes coming out of everywhere, captive to nurses, who, if they are lucky are caring enough to listen to their occasional rumblings.
OTOH, I am not sure we are quite so lucky as we are exposed to this brand of the ageing theoretical Physicist. I dread a world in which there will be many more of them (Imagining some aging ex String Theorist and shivering with apprehension). Yet, even I say thing, I did listen to the video and found it fun. Universes begetting universes, I mean, why not? it's possible. may be even there's mathematics behind it. There's after all, mathematics for almost anything. we are THAT imaginative as a mathematical species (OK, that's Wolfram and bret Weinstein territory, but never mind).
PS off to work some more on my very own, highly imaginative Simulation Theory. the beauty of which is that it begets several singularities like Roger penrose in evry "generation".
He got his point...what is your point...
Quote from the Danish book Spiritual Molecules:
"I saw how the singularity was the ultimate ruler in the Universe. The endless repetitions of the Big Bang created the pulse of the Universe. The singularity collected everything in the Universe and re-sent it all out like a gigantic heartbeat into the empty universe. One second in eternity and creation of a new univers i the infinite empty space where everything happens" Man is like an ecological mirror of the universe. The singularity is like a heart that expands and contracts. The sun lives an active life and dies precisely as humans do.
This was fascinating i got hit upset the head and had to laugh at myself when ALL the zeros was explained then Roger broke it down absolutely thoroughly. This totally made sense and showed me why im so weird! (And quite smart to the point i forget things) .... oh my. So much aligns with future, present, and past. Interesting. I received an A- on my paper in my Senior year which i wrote and described a rose and titled as such 'The Rose' by Lisa Bordeaux in 1990 -91.All the more reasons i can agree with predictability and in some fashion of remote views as well?! Of course I struggle more on conversing things. The give and take applies in definite reality. Will explain farther, with help, if need be. I encourage collaboration.
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Idk if it gets addressed but... A universe capable of producing life that could even ask the question and quantify the parameters of the universe, would HAVE to have the correct parameters to create said life in the first place.
The universe is REQUIRED to have the exact correct parameters to question itself, in order to propose said question. No chance involved.
Yes, but it’s still a chance. An incomprehensible chance. For me to go out and hit a baseball on the first swing still doesn’t mean that I had a 100% chance of hitting the ball on the first swing.
life evolved to fit the laws of nature we have -- saying it was planned and not a matter of chance is just subjective presupposition -- no matter how scientificeee people try to sound when they claim it. There is no science to these speculative claims. IF anyone wants to say God claims are scientific, let them first cite a single peer reviewed scientific principle that uses a God in its formulations and equations. They can't. It's never been done. Even scientists that believe in a God have failed to do it - because it's not science. A prime mover can not exist. IF a state of nothingness is even possible - then nothing can exist in nothing, because it's nothing -- any claims to the contrary are illogical unproven presuppositional nonsense. Saying something manifested without a substrate to manifest in is incoherent. Also, unproven arguments for a vague Deistic God are pointless because a God that doesn't interact with its creation is as irrelevant as a God that doesn't exist.
@@HeavyMetal45 but how do you know it is "the first swing"? There could have been millions - or trillions - of universes created before ours that weren't able to produce complex, intelligent life.
@@HeavyMetal45 1. It may not be the first swing, there could have been an infinite number of swings.
2. The universe is only perfected for what we understand as a functional universe that can support life.
Our sample size of universes with different properties is zero, we have no idea what they would produce.
Every universe may produce something that can, in some way, question itself, or it may be rare.
All said, it is a 100% chance that a universe that can question itself will have the correct properties to get to the question.
All other versions failed to sprout self-replicating entropy mills, i.e. life.
This is pure sophistry
For ignorants like Atheists 😂 everything for their room temperature iq everything is sophistry , rather come up with an argument poor butt hurt 😂
Thanks Prof Penrose it is really interesting to observe that his ideas reflect a progressive mind and prudent intelligence of going beyond without denying something but interpreting it in a comprehensive way
We have very little chance of approaching the question of all questions - why does anything exist at all? - other than to acknowledge and accept existence as a phenomenon. All answers that we can attempt at present and for an unforeseeably long time to come are speculations. From a purely logical point of view, there are not so many possibilities for a beginning; we have an eternal Creator plus natural laws, the eternal existence of energy and matter plus emergent consistent natural regularities as well as various cyclical forms of the existence of matter and energy. I only mention the creator for the sake of completeness, because of course a creator doesn't answer anything. Rather, it is subject to the same questions that must otherwise be asked about the existence of matter/energy.
As far as our consciousness is concerned, this question is unresolved, but much easier to access. If we live in a universe - which we can again perceive as a phenomenon - that supports evolutionary developments due to extreme imbalances in the distribution of energy, it is not surprising that something will emerge. If something emerges long enough, there will also be something that can develop consciousness. The rest is an optimization problem.
And yes, this also implies that our existence is not necessary in any way at all, neither in our specific way as a species nor in our individuality. We are beings of randomness.
"If something emerges long enough, there will also be something that can develop consciousness". Why would something develop consciousness at all? It's the same as saying that some kind of molecules, having extreme imbalances in the distribution of energy, would develop lifeforms after a long enough time. Silicon has similar properties as carbon, yet not a single silicon lifeform has ever evolved from stones (and never will). The video says very clearly that the finetuning of the universe is crucial for the existence not only of this universe but for stars, galaxies and lifeforms. The constants of nature are not random, the laws of Physics are not random, and they all point to an anthropic universe. If one human has a blue eye and the other green ones, that's randomness. If somebody is killed by a lighting, that's randomness. If a planet is within the Goldilocks region, lifeforms will not eventually emerge by randomness but 100% emerge. The universe is thriving of lifeforms.
Roger Penrose is right. The moment he says 'creator', the masses jump to an anthropomorphic creator. This is the fatal flaw that institutionalized religions have committed and promoted, with each one having his/her favourite god, which is a projected image of their cultures. It is so ingrained in our brains we keep making the same mistake over and over again.
Totally agreed. It's a bit spooky to see that SO MANY seem to have such incredible trouble divorcing themselves from incredibly narrow binary concepts/perspectives.
Manly Hall said something about "God" akin to, "If you can describe 'God' succinctly, you haven't described him/her/it at all." Though Idk how correct this statement is (or if I paraphrased it correctly), I think I get the point he was trying to make.
Meaning and "Dod" don't have to fit ANY preconceptions... These things just need to be followed closely with the most open (Properly skeptIcal, but NOT cynical) heart, mind, and soul and you rly can't go wrong.
Our understanding of such things might be analogous to an amoeba trying to understand human consciousness. It's so wildly far outside of ability to intuitively-conceptualize in ANY familiar way, whatsoever. Thus, this is why everything comes into play -- heart, mind, and soul -- to receive and best interpret all intelligence possible.
But then, it's hard to know how open one SHOULD be when you're looking for some relationship with a deeper meaning too... This is why we tend to get stuck in simple places... because we know we can rely on them. We see evidence ALL around us of naivete, incorrectness, inaccuracy, and even just divergence of consideration being punished severely in the material world. So I guess it's no wonder people have trouble breaking from simple, safe programming...
So is all that should be in the universe, definitely GOING to be, IF there is meaning? Idk. I guess we're left with having to let loose a simple plea in the darkness and let "God" respond from there, IF there is something deeper that needs to be attended to (because "God" can't expect us to go further than this, given such aforementioned material threats when we break with our programming, right?). That's maybe why it comes back to anthropomorphizing the concept; so we can all send out that plea readily; accessibility.
Okay way too far here. I went off the deep end with that last paragraph. Maybe you will understand a bit of where I'm coming from.
@@luceatlux7087 "Our understanding of such things might be analogous to an amoeba trying to understand human consciousness"
This is an open question to you because you don't have a reason to believe any kind of god or creator exists. Its just open speculation/make-belief.
No evidence means no reason to believe.
Why no reference to that amazing quote by Penrose?
An intelligent pre time -space caussl entity is the best explanation ultimately. Ogams Razor also suggests it. Why bring religion into it. Not all theists are religious.
@@paulkiernan3256 "An intelligent pre time -space causal entity is the best explanation ultimately. " No it is not, as it stands this is just your opinion. There are better explanations. You need to qualify this sentence if it is to have any meaning.
@@paulkiernan3256 "An intelligent pre time -space caussl entity is the best explanation ultimately. Ogams Razor also suggests it."
No, occam's razor DOES NOT. A mind needs space, time and matter. Minds can not exist before space time and matter. That's an argument for the impossible.
Complex forces emerging from simple forces is the simplest explanation. Space and time being emergent from some underlying ground state is a simpler explanation.
No need to evoke a supernatural nationalist that functions to brainwash people into implementing real nationalists. Not only is there no god, believing in a god is a bad thing, harms believers and non believers, and is prehistoric Nazism.
"Not all theists are religious."
They're all still misinformation believers, though. No evidence means no reason to believe. The distinction between a general god and religion is asinine. There is no god to begin with. None of these beliefs are really about a god. There is no god.
It is entirely possible that the Penrose CCC is a single aeon that loops!
Or that those aeons which produce structure and life are rare yet inevitable.
This is the best comment yet!!! In fact a circle has curvature. So perhaps the whole process (which I do not admit for a second) has curvature. But I do not believe this is experimental physics. Perhaps speculation or just pseudo science.
"Astronomers are often in error but seldom in doubt" Russian physicist Landau I simply cannot believe that Penrose would make such a blatantly absurd "confidence" statement when astronomy at present is perplexed with the very measurement of the Hubble constant.
The concept of the universe's creation in Vedic texts, particularly the Srimad Bhagavatam, contrasts significantly with the Big Bang theory. According to the Srimad Bhagavatam, Maha Vishnu, an expansion of Lord Vishnu, is the original source of the universe. The process begins when Maha Vishnu, lying in the Causal Ocean (Karana Ocean), exhales, creating innumerable universes from the pores of His skin. Each universe is like a bubble that eventually expands and forms its own cosmic structure. God does exist. We and the universe exist only because of Him.
In each universe, Maha Vishnu enters as Garbhodakasayi Vishnu and creates Brahma, the first living being. Brahma then takes on the role of the creator within that universe, further shaping and organizing it. This process is described as eternal and cyclic, with universes being created, maintained, and eventually dissolved back into Maha Vishnu's body, only to be created again.
In contrast, the Big Bang theory is a scientific explanation that suggests the universe began from a singular, extremely dense and hot point about 13.8 billion years ago. It then expanded and cooled to form galaxies, stars, and planets. This theory is supported by empirical evidence such as the cosmic microwave backgroundThe Vedic perspective sees the creation by Maha Vishnu as complete and perfect, understood through spiritual insight and revelation by great yogis and mystics. This is in contrast to the Big Bang theory, widely accepted in the scientific community but remaining a theoretical framework subject to ongoing research and refinement. The Vedic view emphasizes a divine and purposeful creation, while the Big Bang theory is based on imperfect observable phenomena and physical laws that are subject to change as our understanding of the universe continues to evolve. This is like ants trying to understand how a rocket ship works. Vedic knowledge explains creation in great detail. Why do we assume that our brief time here in modern civilization is the epitome of knowledge, when only a few years ago people believed that Earth was the center of the universe and anyone who disagreed with the church's theory was burned at the stake? #VedicPerspective #BigBangTheory #ScientificCommunity #Creation #UniverseUnderstanding
Very interesting. May I ask then what happens to us after death?
You seem to know a lot about this Maha Vishnu by reference to "revelations by great yogis and mystics". That counts as hear say or claims made by humans who cannot produce anything like an evidence or observation in support of the claims, just like any other religion. If you make the choice of believing the claims, whether 1 million or one billion other people also believe it, it still is an unsupported BELIEF without basis.
@@jessicasfarrell You as an Identity will be teleported to different realm of universe. These are clearly described in Indian ancient Scriptures. These texts has complete info about SpaceTime.
@markbradley8198, agree with you mate. I firmly believe in Vedas and Upanishaths.
Physics defines anything greater than 10⁵⁰ as "absurd."
So if Aeons are the big bang firecrackers in succession that continue into infinity, who or what lit the first fuse? Was it a closed loop generation after a universal heat death (universe out of nothing), or linear prescribed event?
They continue from infinity into infinity, there wasn't a "first fuse" to be lit.
We cannot see past the Big Bang and will likely never actually KNOW what existed before it -- but that is no reason to assert, and insist on, magical nonsensical claims about a supernatural being that simple logic dictates could not have existed. (assuming nothingness is even possible) Nothing can exist in nothing because it's nothing.
@@alexnik1181Obviously you don’t know what infinity means. If it goes on forever, it never ended in the first place. Infinity minus 1 still equals infinity and so on. By definition it is nonsensical.
Careful with that "who lit the fuse?" stuff. The next question is "who made the lighter of the fuse?" Pretty soon you're following elephants all the way down.
@@OslerWannabe -- I don't see my post that you are responding to, it isn't showing up on my screen -- But I guarantee I never claimed to know anything about a Prime Mover, which cannot logically exist. Nor did I in any way, shape, or form suggest there was a creator, or god, or that the concept of nothingness is even possible. OR claim to have any knowledge of what happened prior to the Big Bang - other than knowing there wasn't some magical illogical realm (referred to as 'outside space and time') with a magical illogical god that came from nowhere and created everything.
Question is where did did this entity come from 🤔natures mother the being that is human
fyi, none of the elements mentioned in the periodic table were even created on earth.
@@ChessPlayer78the elements are a European word made by those who control the simple minds space time and you your beginning is your end says your lord
@@ChessPlayer78 so were if not earth my friend
@@ChessPlayer78 who’s worthy of Gods image you or everyone
@@ChessPlayer78 individuals like you ghost comments so called intelligent
Time is such a sublime realm, in which what you call past, present, and future exists inter-relationally. That is, they are not opposites, but rather parts of the same whole; progressions of the same idea; cycles of the same energy; aspects of the same immutable Truth. If you conclude from this that past, present, and future exist at one and the same "time," you are right. (Yet now is not the moment to discuss that. We can get into this in much greater detail when we explore the whole concept of time - which we will do late.)
The world is the way it is because it could not be any other way and still exist in the gross realm of physicality. Earthquakes and hurricanes, floods and tornadoes, and events that you call natural disasters are but movements of the elements from one polarity to the other. The whole birth-death cycle is part of this movement. These are the rhythms of life, and everything in gross reality is subject to them, because life itself is a rhythm. It is a wave, a vibration, a pulsation at the very heart of the All That Is.
Imagination - Process of Pure Creation
The process of creation starts with thought
- an idea, conception, visualization. Everything you see was once someone's idea. Nothing exists in your world that did not first exist as pure thought.
This is true of the universe as well.
Thought is the first level of creation.
Next comes the word. Everything you say is a thought expressed. It is creative and sends forth creative energy into the universe. Words are more dynamic (thus, some might say more creative) than thought, because words are a different level of vibration from thought. They disrupt (change, alter, affect) the universe with greater impact.
Words are the second level of creation.
Next comes action.
Actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. Forces are elements existent. Elements are particles of God, portions of ALL, the stuff of everything.
The beginning is God. The end is action. Action is God creating - or God experienced.
Conversation With God - The Holy Trinity
You are a tree-fold being. You consist of body, mind, and spirit. You could also call these the physical, the non-physical, and the meta-physical. This is the Holy Trinity, and it has been called by many names.
That which you are, I am. I am manifested as Three-In-One. Some of your theologians have called this Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Your psychiatrists have recognized the triumvirate and called it conscious, subconscious, and super-conscious.
Your philosophers have called it the id, the ego, and the super ego.
Science calls this energy, matter, and antimatter.
Poets speak of mind, heart, and soul.
New Age thinkers refer to body, mind, and spirit.
Your time is divided into past, present, and future. Could this not be the same as subconscious, conscious, and superconscious?
Space is likewise divided into three: here, there, and the space between.
It is defining and describing this "space between" that becomes difficult, elusive.
The moment you begin defining or describing, the space you describe becomes "here" or "there." Yet we know this "space between" exists. It is what holds "here" and "there" in place - just as the eternal now holds "before" and "after" in place.
These three aspects of you are actually three energies. You might call them Thought, Word, and Action. All three put together produce a result - which in your language and understanding is called a feeling, or experience.
Your soul (subconscious, id, spirit, past, etc.) is the sum total of every feeling you've ever had (created). Your awareness of some of these is called your memory. When you have a memory, you are said to re-member. That is, to put back together. To reassemble the parts.
When you reassemble all the parts of you, you will have re-membered Who You Really Are.
GOD THE FATHER is knowing - the parent of all understanding, the begetter of all experience, for you cannot experience that which you do not know.
GOD THE SON is experiencing - the embodiment, the acting out, of all that the Father knows of Itself, for you cannot be that which you have not experienced.
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT is being - the disembodiment of all that the Son has experienced of Itself; the simple, exquisite is-ness possible only through the memory of knowing and experiencing.
This simple being is bliss. It is God-state, after knowing and experiencing Itself. It is that for which God yearned in the beginning.
Of course, you are well past the point where you must have it explained to you that the father-son descriptions of God have nothing to do with gender. I use here the picturesque speech of your most recent scriptures. Much earlier holy writings placed this metaphor in a mother-daughter context. Neither is correct. Your mind can best hold the relationship as: parent-offspring. Or: that-which-gives-rise-to, and that-which-is-risen.
Adding the third part of the Trinity produces this relationship:
That which gives rise to / That which is risen / That which is.
This Triune Reality is God's signature. It is the divine pattern. The three-in-one is everywhere found in the realms of the sublime. You cannot escape it in matters dealing with time and space, God and consciousness, or any of the subtle relationships. On the other hand, you will not find the Triune Truth in any of life's gross relationships.
The Triune Truth is recognized in life's subtle relationships by everyone dealing with such relationships. Some of your religions have described the Triune Truth as Father, Son. and Holy Ghost. Some of your psychiatrists use the term super-conscious, conscious, and subconscious. Some of your spiritualists say mind, body, and spirit. Some of your philosophers say a thing is not true for you until it is true in thought, word, and deed. When discussing time, you speak of three times only: past, present, future. Similarly, there are three moments in your perception - before, now, and after. In terms of spatial relationships, whether considering the points in the universe, or various points in your own room, you recognize here, there, and the space in between.
In matters of gross relationships, you recognize no "in-between." That is because gross relationships are always dyads, whereas relationships of the higher realm are invariably triads. Hence, there is left-right, up-down, big-small, fast-slow, hot-cold, and the greatest dyad ever created: Male-Female. There are no in-between in these dyads. A thing is either one thing or the other, or some greater or lesser version in relationship to one of these polarities.
Within the realm of gross relationships, nothing conceptualized can exist without a conceptualization of its opposite. Most of your day-to-day experience is foundationed in this reality.
Within the realm of sublime relationships nothing which exists has an opposite. All is One, and everything progresses from one to the other in a never-ending circle.
In medieval times Penrose’s theory would be the equivalent of the Phoenix theory. Visuals can be found in the art of 14 th century Europe, ie pre renaissance cosmology and the rediscovery of Greek and Roman eras.
If God did all this. The next question is 'why'?
the next question would be who did God?
Why do you create? Because it gives meaning to existence.
@@Roscoe0494 Why does god want to give meaning to existence? Isn't the existence of existence meaning enough? and how does having Humans in his existence give any more meaning to existence than any of the other things that exist in the universe?
I think the answer is for nothing.
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The universe isn't a loving peaceful place its total madness
It is what it is.
Blame it on God. He created it so he is responsible and on top of that he does nothing to make said "creation" better. He is either not able to or is just evil.
@@I_am_a_beautiful_creature Or you are arrogant and do not want to obey him and stop fornication and alcohol? Allah has said in Surat alqiyama (Hereafter):
20. Not [as you think, that you (mankind) will not be resurrected and recompensed for your deeds], but (you men) love the present life of this world,
21. And leave (neglect) the Hereafter.
22. Some faces that Day shall be Nadirah (shining and radiant).
23. Looking at their Lord (Allah);
24. And some faces, that Day, will be Basirah (dark, gloomy, frowning, and sad),
25. Thinking that some calamity was about to fall on them;
26.Nay, when (the soul) reaches to the collar bone (i.e. up to the throat in its exit),
27. And it will be said: "Who can cure him and save him from death?"
28. And he (the dying person) will conclude that it was (the time) of departing (death);
29. And leg will be joined with another leg (shrouded)
30. The drive will be, on that Day, to your Lord (Allah)!
31. So he (the disbeliever) neither believed nor prayed!
32. But on the contrary, he belied and turned away!
33. Then he walked in full pride to his family admiring himself!
34. Woe to you [O man (disbeliever)]! And then (again) woe to you!
35. Again, woe to you [O man (disbeliever)]! And then (again) woe to you!
36. Does man think that he will be left Suda [neglected without being punished or rewarded for the obligatory duties enjoined by his Lord (Allah) on him]?
37. Was he not a Nutfah (mixed male and female discharge of semen) poured forth?
38. Then he became an 'Alaqa (a clot); then (Allah) shaped and fashioned (him) in due proportion.
39. And made him in two sexes, male and female.
40. Is not He (Allah Who does that), Able to give life to the dead? (Yes! He is Able to do all things).
@@I_am_a_beautiful_creature Ooh, only blaming "others" to cover up self deficiencies and doing nothing against them. Next try.
@@edus9636the only cover up of God's true nature is the Bible that is lies. Using the Bible and comparing it to how reality is, God is not all that the Bible claims he is. You can believe whatever lies you want but I do not worship a creature that I can see as a false god using books that is illogical and not connected to our current universe.
All intelligent people know that our earth and the universe has evolved over millions of years, and is still changing daily. No person past or present has been able to prove that there is a god who waved a magic wand and created what is now.
You have mistaken.. its like asking or writing ones own experience in a sheet of paper to prove God. Can you write the sound of birds chirping ? same thing applies here..
A creature that existing in a 1 or 2 dimension realm can never imagine what it is like in a 3 dimension realm. Likewise, a marine creature that is born and live 3,000m in the darkness depths of the sea cannot imagine how it is on the sunny dry land. We creature cannot prove God but by His creation, we know in our heary there must be a transcendental Creator.
The compensating offset to expansion is known as the orbit where new expansions are continuously reborn in every subatomic particle.
The orbit is 48 intervals long. Why are electrons the same size? They are as small as they can be and as large. Without this feature, this constraint, there would be no quantum glue, literally nothing would exist.
This guy knows everything. You ask him!
This idea about a cyclical universe is also detailed in mythological form in the vedanta.
agree with you mate. I believe in Vedas and Upanishaths.
I am a physicist and I will explain why our scientific knowledge refutes the idea that consciousness is generated by the brain and that the origin of our mental experiences is physical/biological .
My argument proves that the fragmentary structure of brain processes implies that brain processes are not a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness, which existence implies the existence in us of an indivisible unphysical element, which is usually called soul or spirit (in my youtube channel you can find a video with more detailed explanations). I also argue that all emergent properties are subjective cognitive contructs used to approximately describe underlying physical processes, and that these descriptions refer only to mind-dependent entities. Consciousness, being implied by these cognitive contructs, cannot itself be an emergent property.
Preliminary considerations: the concept of set refers to something that has an intrinsically conceptual and subjective nature and implies the arbitrary choice of determining which elements are to be included in the set; what exists objectively are only the single elements. In fact, when we define a set, it is like drawing an imaginary line that separates some elements from all the other elements; obviously this imaginary line does not exist physically, independently of our mind, and therefore any set is just an abstract idea, a cognitive construct and not a physical entity and so are all its properties. Similar considerations can be made for a sequence of elementary processes; sequence is a subjective and abstract concept.
Mental experience is a precondition for the existence of subjectivity/arbitrariness and cognitive constructs, therefore mental experience cannot itself be a cognitive construct; obviously we can conceive the concept of consciousness, but the concept of consciousness is not actual consciousness.
(With the word consciousness I do not refer to self-awareness, but to the property of being conscious= having a mental experiences such as sensations, emotions, thoughts, memories and even dreams).
From the above considerations it follows that only indivisible elements may exist objectively and independently of consciousness, and consequently the only logically coherent and significant statement is that consciousness exists as a property of an indivisible element. Furthermore, this indivisible entity must interact globally with brain processes because we know that there is a correlation between brain processes and consciousness. This indivisible entity is not physical, since according to the laws of physics, there is no physical entity with such properties; therefore this indivisible entity can be identified with what is traditionally called soul or spirit. The soul is the missing element that interprets globally the distinct elementary physical processes occurring at separate points in the brain as a unified mental experience.
Some clarifications.
The brain doesn't objectively and physically exist as a mind-independent entity since we create the concept of the brain by separating an arbitrarily chosen group of quantum particles from everything else. This separation is not done on the basis of the laws of physics, but using addictional subjective criteria, independent of the laws of physics; actually there is a continuous exchange of molecules with the blood and when and how such molecules start and stop being part of the brain is decided arbitrarily. Brain processes consist of many parallel sequences of ordinary elementary physical processes occurring at separate points. There is no direct connection between the separate points in the brain and such connections are just a subjective abstractions used to approximately describe sequences of many distinct physical processes. Indeed, considering consciousness as a property of an entire sequence of elementary processes implies the arbitrary definition of the entire sequence; the entire sequence as a whole (and therefore every function/property/capacity attributed to the brain) is a subjective abstraction that does not refer to any mind-independendent reality.
Physicalism/naturalism is based on the belief that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. However, an emergent property is defined as a property that is possessed by a set of elements that its individual components do not possess; my arguments prove that this definition implies that emergent properties are only subjective cognitive constructs and therefore, consciousness cannot be an emergent property.
Actually, all the alleged emergent properties are just simplified and approximate descriptions or subjective/arbitrary classifications of underlying physical processes or properties, which are described directly by the fundamental laws of physics alone, without involving any emergent properties (arbitrariness/subjectivity is involved when more than one option is possible; in this case, more than one possible description). An approximate description is only an abstract idea, and no actual entity exists per se corresponding to that approximate description, simply because an actual entity is exactly what it is and not an approximation of itself. What physically exists are the underlying physical processes. Emergence is nothing more than a cognitive construct that is applied to physical phenomena, and cognition itself can only come from a mind; thus emergence can never explain mental experience as, by itself, it implies mental experience.
My approach is scientific and is based on our scientific knowledge of the physical processes that occur in the brain; my arguments prove that such scientific knowledge excludes the possibility that the physical processes that occur in the brain could be a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness.
Marco Biagini
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Nope
You keep commenting on every consciousness video and keep assuring people that because you’re a physicist you know the absolute truth. I’ve heard of a lot other great educated physicists who would disagree with you on this dilemma. And if we don’t hear or even consider every point of view, we will not get far in answering questions like this. I think that humbleness, reason, and honesty are key to success in building better theories. No one can claim to know the truth.
@@808bigisland"Nope" what, exactly?
Nope, physical processes in the brain _are_ sufficient to describe mental experience? Because, although this may well eventually prove itself to be true, _nobody_ has as yet taken even the first step towards explaining how it _could_ be true. And so...
"Nope" what, exactly? "Nope," but you have no other original ideas? "Nope" but you're just generally clueless? "Nope" but you can't properly comprehend words?
Or is it just, if you were to be perfectly honest about it, "Nope... cos, like, unooooo... _reasons"?_
Yeah. Thought so.
@@simesaid input=output and most people possess no - or only rudimentary sentience or consciousness. The pre-poster is an esoteric looney🤣
It still begs the question…. What started the first big bang ? Lol
When sir roger penrose speaks the science community listens 👌💯
Let's focus on better medicine for ALL, better dental FOR ALL, better housing for ALL, AND HOW TO WORK TOGETHER FOR THE BENEFIT IF ALL?! Not just a few so they can FEEL SUPERIOR.🎉
For all? Who is all?We come from an ecosystem and since we have an upperhand we think we don't need that system, but we are part of it. The system needs us to die,just like all the rest,not live longer than nature intended.Disease is opportunity for other life.
Are you sure you're in the right video? Was this a response to a video down the hall?
Are these previous universes exactly the same as ours ,if not maybe the "architects" are just doing this until they get it right.
Aadi-Anadi....as Shiva says..!
Without Beginning or End.
One photon says to the other "see ya in a while im gonna travel 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 light years". "Ok im back".(other photon says) "Wow that was quick, took no time at all "".
The anthropics strike back 🤣🤣🤣. Sad.
I remember hearing that you can't put a probability in this case... because we simply don't know.
I agree with u. It's sad this argument persists.
The deepest insight into the cosmic beginnings of our universe was spoken by a somewhat wall-eyed elderly woman who stated that our universe rests on the carapace of an eternal tortoise. But when some smug cosmologist tried to unsettle her by asking "well, what does that turtle sit on??", she snapped back with the definitive and final answer: "Why, it's turtles all the way DOWN!!!"
I think the universe has immense potential and human civilization is creating the universe with our potential. It's hard to measure if the universe has a beginning because the expansion happens in all different directions including the past, present, and future. The light years do affect the actual age of the universe.
I am a simple man: see name Penrose in titles hit like button automatically.
Btw, fairly good video 👍
Who began eternal god?
Nobody. God is eternal. God exists outside of time.
@@sabhishek9289 Everything does because our experience of time as something that flows is an illusion. Try again with some other type of nonsense.
@@nsbd90now How is it an illusion? You are committing the alleged certainty fallacy here.
@@sabhishek9289 WHERE precisely is this "outside of space/time"? WHAT does it look like? HOW big is it? WHAT color is it? WHAT does it smell like? What can you prove and demonstrate about this "outside space/time"?? Anyone can pull a vague nonsensical term out of their backside. It is utterly meaningless unless you can specifically define this supposed realm and demonstrate it actually exists. Also,, you would need to explain how anything can happen without the forward momentum of time? You're are just spouting magical presuppositional claims - with absurd confidence, I'll give you that ...
@@sabhishek9289 Oh my! How embarrassing for you... do you even know space-time at all?? In physics, time is not linear. Our experience of time isn't what it really is... so sad you didn't even bother with a simple google search of the topic. But then, I'd guess as a Christian you're just too intellectually lazy to do things like that.
I am not religious but but I am not an atheist either. I believe, there's a higher realm of consciousness, and there's something that created all this near and far. We call it god, because we just don't know. And for some strange reason, we will never know. I could go on and refer to countless personal experience, but I do belive, the universe have always been and always will be, with or without human beings.
If the future is a Bootstrap paradox of the past, how do I get where I should be? The answer is quantum mechanics.
1:59 a finite universe can exist within existence but existence can have no beginning or end. This is self-evident.
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Bro what did you just say?
Finite things can exist without the beginning or end? Do you know what finite means?
@@julkarneinkazal6597 Our universe as science defines it, is finite. It is measurable. It has a size and an age. It has a beginning and end. But it exists within existence, and existence cannot be finite. Existence cannot be measured, and therefore does not physically exist but simply is. This much is self-evident even as our finite brains cannot define it. Infinity is real.
@@yoursoulisforever 1. What is the proof of infinity could you please refer to any comprehensive study that majority of scientists agreed? I think all those are still hypothetical.
2. Big Bang is still the convincing, rational, somewhat physically and mathematically proven that majority scientists supports as far as I know.
3. How do you prove another existence or primary existence was there from the beginning and how do you know it is eternal and how do you know it wasn’t created just like our universe?
When you say finite you very well know it has a beginning and end. People usually refer the infinite/eternal being as GOD.
True true
The properties of physics don't care about mythology...
Who's saying anything about mythology???
Physics doesn't have properties. Physics is a discipline of study. Elements have properties. We shouldn't anthropomorphize physical elements. Mythologizing is one of many abilities of a mind. The mind has the ability to comprehend the material universe and manipulate the elements within it. It is the mind (the sometimes author of mythology) which comprehends the universe (which includes the properties of the elements). The preeminence of mind over material (to include time and space) is the default position that we are all working and living from; not the other way around.
No human being lives as though the material universe is preeminent over the mind. Your statement presupposes that human beings should submit to the pattern and "preferences" of the material universe and conform their minds to it. I guarantee that you don't do that and would never truly, rationally support it. If you did... you would simply be "bowing" to the universe and effectively making the universe your god, which, by design, you have the capacity and the necessary unction to do. We will all necessarily worship one god or another, by design.
Another way of saying it: Ignorance of Facts is not evidence of mythology.
@@ricomajestic 8:54 coining a term for “black mater.”
Some so called myths are more.
Well, we wouldn't find ourselves in a universe that was not "fine tuned" now would we? Nope. We simply would not be alive.
There was no "beginning"... Creation is NOW.
No matter how much scientists spin it you still need a creator 💥
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Who said so 😅 What if the "creator" just exploaded and what you see is his own decay?!
Where did the creator come from?
@@toby9999 There is no creator, but only creation. The elements attract each other, till they form stable systems which resonate with their free will.
Creators don't have to be conscious, sentient beings. Frequencies form patterns with physical matter without a creator. Sound waves exist around the universe all the time with no creator. If anything, they are the creator.
Which one comes first 🤔 the chicken 🐔 or the egg 🥚 🤔 ?
Maybe its time for you to read the Hindu text "Bhagwatam". It gives a more stable view on the reality that exists around us. It also marries the phenomena of consciousness to the 5 sense reality around us. Whats more, the book is hard to refute philosophically. The book is just holding true for thousands of years, while the modern science perspective about reality is changing every 2 decades.
Religion should never be used as a tool for science. It does not derive of science but of a viewpoint of thousands of years ago with a lack of education that shows what it is -fables and made up stories.
I prefer this ideas, that possibly involve a creator or cosmic will towards other ideas like vsuperdeterminism or random, that negotiate free will or consciousness of the whole.
If the universe is expanding, and creating space time at the horizon of that bubble; well, now that’s a lot of space time being created every second.
What does "tiny" even mean? If you ask Betelgeuse, the Grand Canyon is tiny. If you ask a bacterium, humans are unimaginably enormous. Once the universe erodes into massless photons and spent energy, scale becomes completely irrelevant.
the whole creation shows its makers hand
I would add to Penrose's cosmological speculations the idea that language gets in our eyes, so to speak. Life is not the universe's purpose, its mission, or the summit of its effort. It's very hard for us to understand that we (and the rest of life on this planet) are just stuff--one more expression of likely billions of different expressions emerging from the universe's energetic qualities.
Human culture is built around stories. One way or another, these stories glorify us. They don't diminish us to absolute insignificance, as the universe does. Still, nothing theoretically prevents us from being much better planetary stewards or from perfecting the Golden Rule. Lots of stories to come from those efforts. Why, you could possibly build a new religion around it!
Some scientists are audacious ,aggressive and stubborn to deny the creator. They deny the conceived scientific understanding just by denying it, as accepting God is something shameful for them. Pity for them.
If we have found out one thing about the universe, it’s the fact that it’s so vast and massive that anything is possible. You put so many zeros in front of your one to say “it just takes too much time for all possibilities to be tried”, not realising that it might have taken way more time for the universe to form than the amount of time needed in the first place. Yes, it’s hard for us humans to imagine that because we are just a flash, a spark compared to the universe’s age, but that is perfectly possible statistically.
Yes and no because there are universal rules and humanity is not to worry about this. Question is this: is the universe expanding or shrinking? Why are there some photos online that do not show all? Humans are like grass hoppers on the planet and grasshoppers help plants but not some bugs. Those who destroy the plants what if they are the scorpions in revelation? Choose to be a grasshopper so you stay and care about planet earth.
@@Annieisfreejustlikebutterflies 😴
@@Annieisfreejustlikebutterflies
God yes; puny humans, no.
Focusing on the fine-tuning aspect of the universe, specifically dark energy density, Penrose suggests that for life to exist, the conditions had to be exceptionally precise. According to him, an advanced being might have set tge dark energy perfectly, to allow for the life to emerge. If this density wete significantly higher, the universe could have been torn apart. Or, if it's only slightly lower, the universe could collapse into a singularity long before life had any opportunity to develop.
Imagine playing a game of dice about the existence of everything around us, including ourselves. Weinberg connected the dots between the low level of dark energy in the universe and the Anthropic Principle. Steven Weinberg: "We can only discuss the universes that have the exact conditions for us to exist." [The Anthropic Principle] It's like saying that out of a gazillion dice rolls the universe got that one chance to produce life as we know it. If it hadn't, we wouldn't be here to talk about it. He proposed that there's a certain level of dark energy in order for life to exist and it's closely related to the energy level needed for galaxies to form. It's as if, once the stage is set for galaxies, the conditions became right for life to emerge. Which links their creation and the possibility of life more closely than we ever imagined. This connection between dark energy density and life is surprisingly strong.
But--and it's a big but--just because we're here to observe this universe doesn't mean our existence was a guaranteed outcome. The chances of the universe containing just the right amount of dark energy for life to exist are incredibly slim.
When we talk about the conditions necessary to create the universe, when we say 1 part in 10 to the 10th to the 123rd, it reflects the precision on the phase-space volume.
V/W=10¹⁰‐¹²³rd. It was Penrose's fancy way of saying "the number of different possible states the universe ckuld take at its inception."
This precision is so specific, that even if you try to write it out in full by putting a zero on each separate proton, and on each separate neutron in the whole universe, you wouldn't come close to the total. Penrose: "That many zeros, I certainly couldn't get on a page; I couldn't even fit them into the universe if I put one zero on every single proton within the observable universe. That's not nearly enough."
Some might say every step in the formation of the universe could be chalked up to coincidence. But is it reasonable to attribute everything to chance, especially when considering the precision observed around us? Take for example the concept of intelligence [including A.I.]. Observations tell us intelligence typically originates from an existing intelligence. So when we see the intricate design and order in the universe it's natural to question whether it all could be the result of random events. When we start to consider the sheer number of coincidences necessary for life to exist, this whole galactic time-frame suddenly appears quite short.
Understanding the scientific mechanisms that led to the formation of the universe and life wirhin it, doesn't eliminate the possibility of an underlying cause or intelligence.
Richard Feynman: Discovering the laws of physics is like trying to learn the rules of chess, merely by observing chess games. Yku might observe that bishops remain on squares of the same color, deducing this as a fundamental rule. But a deeper understanding actually reveals that bishops move diagonally, which in turn explains why they always remain on the same color. This evolution of understanding, from a simpke observation to more profound insight, mirrors the journey of discovery in physics. Discovering an expanding universe after Newton and Einstein wanting a static universe is a similar type of revelation. Another example is realizing that chess pieces maintain their identity. But consider a pawn reaches the opposite end of the board and finally transforms into a queen. Of course, it does not violate the laws of chess. You've just never seen a game pushed to that extreme before. The same thing with cosmology: that the notion of a big bang as the universe's beginning was a foundational belief. But as we push the boundaries of our understanding we encounter theories that challenge our conventional wisdom. The idea that space and time could have existed beforehand, and that these ideas violate common sense, makes them perplexing. For now, the cosmos undergoes an endless cycle of birth, death, and rebirth may seem outlandish.... [Harry Dewang]
Atheist do not accept theists views and the other way around. But one thing is inescapable, all human bodies would eventually perish. Then after that will anyone realize if there is a God with morality and it's consequences or everything in this vast complex cosmos is mere random chance and we're just heaps of dust to be blown away and completely forgotten.
....does make sense to me👍👍
Your thumbnail ought to read ‘There exists an eternal creator’ not existed…. Which implies not eternal ..
What happens to all the periodic table natural atoms created by creation such that when a new creation starts we only see atoms of hydrogen, helium and a bit of lithium? Such detail is not addressed in this video and it should be. Nor was there any explanation of how a new creation 'knows' or is triggered to begin itself once the former creation is extremely dispersed, old, dark, dilute and cold. What sparks the spark? Where does the energy to create new simple matter from a singularity come from and what happens to the old dispersed dilute universe? Answers please!
Penrose is a publicly stated atheist. Rationalizing the existence of god from specific characteristics of a scientific hypothesis or from the lack of a validated scientific theory is specious reasoning predicated on the logical fallacy of argument from ignorance under the broader umbrella of the logical fallacy of confirmation bias. Start off with the conclusion and then try to manufacture excuses to justify the conclusion you started out with in the first place - the very antithesis of rational thinking.
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Funny how fundamentalists have to steal others ideas,, organisations etc
Quite sure he's agnostic, which is slightly different. He thinks all the major religions are not helpful when it comes to this issue.
You need to learn how to write simply.
@@mrretired2715 Maybe it's you who is simple?
Is that Grampa from the Munsters?
Hahahah 😂😂😂👌
I was going to write the same thing.
Maybe he is, Grampa was a vampire and a scientist. 🤓
I think he's the same guy who came up with the random pattern for a tile... That doesn't repeat itself....
@@albertosantos4746 , Spare us! You have my gratitude for not doing so.
Ik- There is ONE(Ik) reality, the origin and the source of everything. The creation did not come out of nothing. When there was nothing, there was ONE, Ik.
Onkaar- When Ik becomes the creative principal it becomes Onkaar. Onkaar manifests as visible and invisible phenomenon. The creative principle is not separated from the created, it is present throughout the creation in an unbroken form, 'kaar'.
Satnaam- The sustaining principle of Ik is Satnaam, the True Name - EXISTENCE
Kartaa Purakh- Ik Onkaar is Creator and Doer (Kartaa) of everything, all the seen and unseen phenomenon. It is not just a law or a system, it is a Purakh, a Person. If I am sentient then so to is The Totality
Nirbhau- That Ik Onkaar is devoid of any fear, because there is nothing but itself.
Nirvair- That Ik Onkaar is devoid of any enmity because there is nothing but itself.
Akaal Moorat- That Ik Onkaar is beyond Time (Akaal) and yet it is existing. Its a Form(Moorat) which does not exist in Time.
Ajooni- That Ik Onkaar does not condense and come into any birth. All the phenomenon of birth and death of forms are within it.
Saibhang- That Ik Onkaar exists on its own, by its own. It is not caused by anything before it or beyond it.
Gurprasaad- That Ik Onkaar expresses itself through a channel known as Guru and it is only its own Grace and Mercy (Prasaad) that this happens.
Ikoaʼnkār saṯ nām karṯā purakẖ nirbẖao nirvair akāl mūraṯ ajūnī saibẖaʼn gur parsāḏ.
One Universal Creator. The Name Is Exsistence. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace
The moment a particle is a wave; it has to be a conscious wave!
Nicola Tesla states, “If you want to find the secrets of the universe,
think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration”
Gravity is the conscious attraction among waves to create the illusion of particles,
and creates our experience-able Universe.
Max Planck states: "Consciousness is fundamental and matter is derived from Consciousness".
Life is the Infinite Consciousness, experiencing the Infinite Possibilities, Infinitely.
We are "It", experiencing our infinite possibilities in our finite moment.
Our job is to make it inter
This video lost me when they featured Stephen Meyer, a well-known speaker for the Discovery Institute, which pushes the pseudo-science garbage that the universe is 6,000 years old. They also posit the the great "flood" of Noah's Ark actually occurred as the Bible claims.
Meyer believes the universe is 14.5 billion years old, he has said this countless times.
But way to trash someone because they have a different view then you do. No need to exit your echo chamber.
Meyer has said countless times he believes the universe is 14.5 billion years old, but that would get in the way of your virtue signaling if you admitted this.
Uhhhhh, because the great flood really happened! Every civilization in that time period writes of a great flood including from South America, China, Middle East and India. There’s a lot more evidence too including sedimentary layers taken all over Earth at the same depth. There are fish fossils on the summit of Everest and shell fish in the Rocky Mountains and Andes. Evidence of thousands of square miles of mud layers across continents. Our history of Earth and the universe is far more bizarre than anyone knows and that scares these eggheads even more because it makes them far less significant…..
It's like questioning the plausibility of finding ourselves on the surface of a habitable planet, instead of in the random point of space? How does it suggest anything? It's just logical that our location can't be random.
There are not that many planets that can be inhabited like some think and earth was carefully planned not a random chance. Care about the planet please.
@@Annieisfreejustlikebutterflies There are hundreds of billions of galaxies and hundreds ob billions stars in each. You have no idea how many of them are inhabited or which ones are planned or not.
@@XOPOIIIObut you have to think tho all of the conditions for life as we know it must be as intricate as this one. Everything has to go right. There’s no guarantee that life exists in the exact moment we do.
@@djteq9 I'm not saying that life exist anywhere outside of our planet. I'm saying that life definitely exists on our planet, because that is the only way it could be.
Interpretation and again - infinitely - only brings complexity of meaning - and words that change constantly.
This forms - mountains of dogma - and elites and practitioners of ideas - to protect it.
Science - has lost simplicity and essence - through this adventure - and may be eating itself - through egoism - lack of clarity and simply exhaustion.
For meaning - one has always tried - the way of mysticism - by the method of meditation.
One has followed the heart and mind - in a joyous - yet determined - practice - and even the Real Being - cannot escape - this quest.
Good Teachers - along the way (mystics) - are primary and vital.
Love has to be evoked - and humour plays its way - in this inner journey - thinking and feeling - working - in humble grateful harmony.
May it be so. Fare thee well.
how can a shotgun blast point blank my head be converted into theory of make-believe
thanks for the brain injury too btw
Roger Penrose does not believe in any God. You are wrong. He is an atheist. No scientist is comfortable with a God who created this universe life. Some scientists are comfortable with Buddhism. It is difficult for scientists to believe that a God did all the calculations and made the universe. Most of us also feel uncomfortable and find it very difficult to believe such a God exists.
If God created this endless food chain, what should we think about God's intelligence?
So it’s easier to believe nothing created everything instead of someone created everything? So you god is nothing
@@steveno7058 Who told you there was a creation, in first place? What if there is another principle attracting the elements together and the configurations constantly change, before they create stable formation, in which every participating element exercises its free will. That's it.
@@steveno7058"No - thing" does not mean "nothing".
You are absolutely right & correct.
Some excessively creative problem solving to get around a much simpler solution: God.
God is not a solution at all !
God is the answer to the deluded
Everything is in constant flux, which creates the idea of separation.
Because observing change creates the idea of separate parts or happenings.
Whilst in essence everything is transitioning all the time and everywhere....
So in this regard
when thinking in terms of a creator
it somewhat misses the point
Because there is no separation in the first place
Great show. Thank you.
I wonder, is the universe expanding more because life and observers are growing? It would make sense if we are all interdimensional beings, each with their own relative perspective and universe, according to light, we re each the centre of our own universe or the real meaning of the word 'Uni-verse' which means 'One song' 😁
Excellent.... thanks 🙏.
🎉🎉 excellent 👌
Does this information help us realize who we are? This version of reality only exists for those who believe it. Isn’t it likely the universe is intentional for infinite consciousness amusement?
In infinity every universe will eventually emerge infinite times no matter the improbability.
Remeber when "science" was about things that could be verified? The good old days.
How this also fit to non-locality, more scientists are saying that universe is not real, that space-time is not fundamental either this might be just projection. This however creeps me out if it is repeating forever there would be no end to suffering or for whatever reason this is happening...
This aligns with Buddhist cosmology. Within that philosophy there is a way out of the cycle of suffering.
@@supercal333 Hey i don't know if you are normal, or fanatic. But this gives me like 0.0000000000000001% hope because i already know free will is illusion and reality is seems alien absurd. Just by existing you cause suffering to other beings. There is this cycle every year turtles go lay eggs on beach and wolves come and brutally slowly bite under their armor until they die... IT is world of senseless suffering it is completely pointless and arbitary like oil spill or war kills millions of creatures in ocean - it is not even processable compherensible and extent and intensity of such suffering... And worst attocities ppl ever committed like unit 731 - there is no sense to this! IT is just absurd! Besides we are just irrational animals that are driven by power and status... This is utter hell - nothing adds up or make sense...
They are saying it. But they are basing it on speculation. There are no testable theories.
Facebook woyld not let me share this link. Curious!
One entity experiencing eternity through all forms of life.. for the experience there of.
It is ironic that scientists can try to understand the complexity and unimaginable power and perfection necessary for the existence of the universe and yet they cannot conceive the existence of an eternal Creator. What if the existence of a Creator is the answer? Will they discard it because it isn't scientific? The universe itself and everything in it, including all forms of life, matter, phenomenon and consciousness, is more than enough evidence to prove it.
They have rejected it. They now define science as being only naturalistic processes, but then try to posit naturalistic causes for supernatural events. Nothing science has proposed answers the big questions of Existence, Life, Intelligence or Consciousness. Modern science has been a complete waste because they keep trying to answer the unanswerable rather than accepting what we can’t know and try to understand the processes we can see.
@@ktrimbach5771 what a complete misunderstanding of science you have. You do see that your arguments apply perfectly to religion, not science don't you?
I've been in the occult for more than a decade, I went through all doors. As someone who studied the spiritual in depth, I can say that there is no creator god. That would be extremely reductive to attribute the origins of the universe to a spirit that thinks and acts like the god of the bible. It's beyond that. The source of all, is pure infinite mind beyond identity. Nothing but a set of probabilities that have happened, or are bound to happen sooner and later. And this infinite mind, is everything. It's you, it's me, it's nature, it's the ''gods'', etc... None of that require a creator, because then the question would arise: who created the creator. How can a first singular being even know about himself if there is no other? How can you act if you precede time itself? How can you even create something, if there is nothing to create from? Plato's description of the monad makes a lot of sense and makes the idea of a creator god seem so childish in comparison.
I can't get my head around those 2 dimensional cone shaped states of the universe expanding. Maybe our entire universe is a sphere that is rotating, expanding for an aeon to then collapse into a single point at the end. That cold dense state to then birth a new universe.
Of course this has a creator behind this as a base now this is molded down to surrounding environmental issues wich is where we can learn how this works
We needed an infinity of trials and errors to exist.
Something eternal must have always existed. Is that something the material universe(s), or a thing separate from the material universe? The truth that something eternal must have existed does not make thinking about how that could be any easier for us. We know only that out of nothing comes nothing, therefore every something was preceded by something until we arrive at the rock solid conclusion, something has always existed.
Yours is the most honest answer I have read.
Actually, the "rock solid conclusion", in the one case, hinges on the implication of an infinite regression of causes, which, on its face, is ludicrous. Any cosmology appealing to infinity doesn't understand infinity. The universe is physical and constrained by physical processes. Like any physical system, the universe(s) must proceed by cause and effect. At the limit, by definition is the First Cause. Since nothing can proceed from nothing, it stands to reason that something "outside" of spacetime is the First Cause. By Occams Razor a transcendent, deliberate agent of creation is the best hypothesis.
Right on! And we are getting close to our last chance.
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"There is a birth certificate and there is a death certificate, but there is no life certificate." (Zhvanetsky).
The asymmetry of time actually implies the accumulation of time, more precisely, history, variety, aging, and the world itself already has many-sided (~ "multi-world") and improvisational (~"probabilistic") properties.
Appendix
On the “dark” invariance:
0.in RT the main invariant is the 4-interval (a mathematical description of the constant c), however, it could offer another invariant value based on another physical constant.
1.Comparing with Einstein's equations of 1915, we find a=-c^3/16πG. Strictly speaking, in order to determine the constant a, it was necessary to make a transition to the Poisson equation. Thus, a rigorous derivation of Einstein's equations can be given.
The transition to the non-relativistic limit allows us to determine a constant factor for the integral of the gravitational field according to: R[(0)^0]=(4πG/c^2)p; Δφ=-pc^3/4a=4πGр.
And a=(1/16π)m(pl)w(pl).
2.Therefore, the Poisson equation can be written as: ∆g(00)=8πGT(00)/c^4, where g(00) is the time component of the metric tensor (for a weakly curved metric the time component of the energy-momentum tensor: T(00)~=pc^2).
This equation is true only in the non-relativistic case, but it is applicable to the case of a homogeneous and isotropic Universe, when Einstein's equations have only solutions with a time-varying space-time metric. Then the energy density of the gravitational field: g^2/8πG=T(00)=pc^2 {=(ħ/8πc^3)w(relic)^4 !};
where the critical density value determining the nature of the model is: p=(3/8π)H^2/G. Hence it follows: g~πcH.
Expansion is a special kind of motion, and it seems that the Universe is a non-inertial frame of reference that performs variably accelerated motion along a phase trajectory, and thereby creates a phase space.
And according to the strong equivalence principle: g=|a*|=πcH [=r(pl)w(relic)^2]. And
w(relic)^2=πw(pl)H. Thus H=1,72*10^-20sec^-1!
3.From Kepler's third law follows: M/t=v^3/G, where M/t=I(G)=[gram•sec^-1] is the gravitational current. By the way, in SR: I(G)=inv; this follows from the Lorentz transformations: m=m(0)/√(1-v^2/c^2) and t=t(0)/√(1-v^2/c^2). Hence, obviously, we have I(G)=m/t=m(0)/t(0)=inv.
However, а*=-2πcа/M(universe), what is F=M(universe)а*=-2πса=-с^4/8G=-(⅛)F(pl).
4.In the case of the Universe: I(G)=M(universe)H=m(pl)w(pl)/8π=c^3/8πG=-2a (~ the "dark" constant~inv), where M(universe)=E/c^2 is the full mass of the Universe, and the total energy E is spent on creating a phase-quantized space-time:
m(pl)w(pl)=8πM(Universe)H.
5.That is: Δφ=-pc^3/4a=
рс^3/2M(universe)H^2.
And
Δφ=4π[с^3/Gm(pl)w(pl)]H^2=
4πH^2; which is evidence of a phenomenon: spontaneous Lorentz transformations.
Thus;
Δφ(0)/Δφ=w(pl)^2/H^2~10^126, where Δφ(0)=4πw(pl)^2; the best prediction.
I concur.
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Pleasantly.
I think that Roger Penrose actually believes in God, but he does not admit it openly because the scientific establishment would outcry at him.
Exactly! The same happened to Hawking after writing the final sentence in his bestseller "A brief history of time" about the "mind of God". He was fiercely criticized by the atheist hyenas only because he mentioned God. After he openly claimed to not believe in God, he "suddenly" became the golden boy of the Establishment and an international superstar. Funny "coincidence", one would say...
The reality is that all of the possibilities were tried by the universe simultaneously. Most of these possibilities collapsed, which is whats driving inflation. We just happen to live in this one, which for now is stable.
Because “God” can’t be confined into a single identity, as it’s forever transformative. As the descendants of zilch, we are that God Universe itself, attempting to explain away our existence. To ourselves. For ourselves. Minding what matters. With mind, over matters.
This energy - this pure, unseen, unheard, unobserved, and therefore unknown-by-anyone-else energy - chose to experience Itself as the utter magnificence It was. In order to do this, It realized It would have to use a reference point within.
It reasoned, quite correctly, that any portion of Itself would necessarily have to be less than the whole, and that if It thus simply divided Itself into portions, each portion, being less than the whole, could look back on the rest of Itself and see magnificence.
And so All That Is divided Itself - becoming, in one glorious moment, that which is this, and that which is that. For the first time, this and that existed, quite apart from each other. And still, both existed simultaneously. As did all that was neither.
Thus, three elements suddenly existed: that which is here. That which is there. And that which is neither here nor there - but which must exist for here and there to exist.
It is the nothing which holds the everything. It is the non-space which holds the space. It is the all which holds the parts.
I'm going to go further. Now this nothing which holds everything is what some people call God. Yet that is not accurate, either, for it suggests that there is something God is not - namely, everything that is not "nothing." But I am all things - seen and unseen - so this description of Me as the Great Unseen - the No-Thing, or the Space Between, an essentially Eastern mystical definition of God, is no more accurate than the essentially Western practical description of God as all that is seen. Those who believe that God is All That Is and All That Is Not, are those whose understanding is correct.
Now in creating that which is "here" and that which is "there," God made it possible for God to know Itself. In the moment of this great explosion from within, God created relativity - the greatest gift God ever gave to Itself. Thus, relationship is the greatest gift God ever gave to you, a point to be discussed in detail later.
From the No-Thing thus sprang the Everything - a spiritual event entirely consistent, incidentally, with what your scientists call The Big Bang Theory.
As the elements of all raced forth, time was created, for a thing was first here, then it was there - and the period it took to get from here to there was measurable. Just as the parts of Itself which are seen began to define themselves, "relative" to each other, so, too, did the parts which are unseen. God knew that for love to exist - and to know Itself as pure love - its exact opposite had to exist as well. So God voluntarily created the great polarity - the absolute opposite of love - everything that love is not - what is now called fear. In the moment fear existed, love could exist as a thing that could be experienced.
It is this creation of duality love and its opposite which humans refer in their various mythologies as the birth of evil, the fall of Adam, the rebellion of Satan, and so forth.
Just as you have chosen to personify pure love as the character you call God, so you have chosen to personify abject fear as the character you call the devil.
This mythology has been mankind's early attempt to understand, and tell others in a way they could understand, a cosmic occurrence of which the human soul is deeply aware, but of which the mind can barely conceive.
In rendering the universe as a divided version of Itself, God produced, from pure energy, all that now exists - both seen and unseen.
In other words, not only was the physical universe thus created, but the metaphysical universe as well. The part of God which forms the second half of the Am/Not Am equation also exploded into an infinite number of units smaller than the whole. These energy units you would call spirits.
In some of your religious mythologies it is stated that "God the Father" had many spirit children. This parallel to the human experiences of life multiplying itself seems to be the only way the masses could be made to hold in reality the idea of the sudden appearance - the sudden existence - of countless spirits in the "Kingdom of Heaven."
In this instance, your mythical tales and stories are not so far from ultimate reality - for the endless spirits comprising the totality of Me are, in a cosmic sense, My offspring.
Penrose is an atheist, or so he claimed and held not enough logic to suspect divine design. Yet this video was made quite sometime back, when he admitted quietly that he isn't an atheist.
I reject outright the sayings that go like: the things must have unfolded this way because the probability for unfolding alternative way would be so so small. Doesn’t matter as long as that prob is not zero. Hence you don’t need a creator, else who created that creator? Perhaps alternative way would be to realize that we are still way far from answering the ultimate question- the creation. Human mind can’t even solve little things, they already talk about the creation? Still the talk is based on presumption- meaning if something looks nicely structured, it must be created by an intelligent being. That’s nothing more than an everyday common sense analogy, which doesn’t work even for scientific principles like quantum physics, let alone the ultimate question for humans to answer.
There has never been an origination.
Many manifestations yet none of them ever existed.lets face it , nobody knows how us.this here is the testimony, understanding conviction here
Interesting view of the universe...food for thought indeed
Cosmology is a subject like physics or chemistry or biology. So all the subjects should be open to accept any new ideas to make it comprehensive enough to answer any issue related to that subject. So each subject should be open to any new ideas pertaining to that subject. Then only the subject grows and all believe and trust the subject.
If any subject is closed to any new ideas it will not develop and cannot answer many new questions on the subject.
Let us assume that during 17th century or 18th century what so ever the development in cosmology was at 'satisfactory level' and all people accepted them and there were no doubts from any one. So during this period people accepted the contents of cosmology as correct and believed in it.
Now during the present times what cosmology was during those period cannot be accepted as we have now Hubble telescope and James Web telescope and voyagers and so on. These telescopes have shown some more details. So we have to add these new findings to the subject of cosmology that was thought during 17th or 18th century as said above.
In a similar way the subject cosmology should not accept the views of 'science' alone and should not stick to the idea of 'big bang', .
Only science speak about Big Bang. Many 'religions' like Christianity and Hinduism and many more religions do not accept that there was a big bang as explained in 'science'.
So big bang theory is not acceptable to other mythological ideas of different religions.
When we have to understand the cosmology, we must also know what other subjects say about cosmos and such subjects.
So what ever is happening in 'cosmos' is not automatic but is operated and managed by intelligent beings like devine powers as said in different mythological stories or by 'aliens'. In brief 'each department will have its own HOD, that is head of the department. So cosmos also have their masters like head of the department for each subject.
Thanks for the video exploring the vast cosmos to find as much information as possible on cosmos, a very important subject.
A bunch of dribble.
Cosmology is a branch of physics actually!
We're nowhere near knowing the answers to the big questions. So, what do we do? We say it's "God"...because our minds are still primitive.