I think Warner Brothers dealt with this better. They have warnings before the cartoons saying: "Tom & Jerry shorts may depict some ethnic and racial prejudices that were once commonplace in American society. Such depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While not representing the Warner Bros. view of today's society, these shorts are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."
@That One I agree. Otherwise, children won't understand how we got to where we are. But Disney should provide documentaries of how it has changed and why.
I'd love to see that, but it'd have to be in the same framework that Germany uses for the Holocaust. It would need to unquestionably send the message, "This is wrong and it can never happen again." Because there are still too many racists today who'd watch it just so they could laugh at black people & minorities.
Like Whoopi Goldberg I think perseveration with proper academic and historical context, would be better than burying terrible history. Their disclaimer is too weak and soft compare to WB Racist Looney Tunes dvd
I especially love the part where they say that the shorts are kept the way they were because getting rid of those parts "would be like stating those prejudices never existed". That is the most mature and fair argument on keeping the ugly side of history. It's cruel, but you can't get rid of it just like that.
The man who played Uncle Remus couldn't attend the premiere of Song of the South because it was in Atlanta in a Whites Only theatre. Also yes, Walt was sexist. One old woman still has a rejection letter from when she tried to show her art to apply as an animator. It essentially told her women can't be animators but she could apply to be a receptionist. Even tough her art was better than most of the men who DID work for Disney.
@@masterDarts4188 Just knowing that they had whites only theatres and fucked over Uncle Remus like that. I'd like to see some peoples reaction from the time to how Atlanta turned out demographic wise
We can't learn from the past by deleting, forgetting, censoring, sensitizing the past mistakes. Young people seeing our past mistakes will open conversations.
@That One Watch TV with your kids, then discuss is shown. No matter what, kids are going to see disturbing things. Be there to educate them and answer their questions.
@@DaddyOfTheSugarVariety There is a time and place for that. Most parents are not going to be prepared on the spot for these discussions and families that already experience racism are likely having these conversations without having to be subjected to literal racist propaganda. This stuff is fine to keep available for teaching lessons about the past but it shouldn't be commercialized nowadays.
@@faithfm1 It seems like a good idea not to have those original versions out for general commercial consumption, so ok, edited out messed up parts, but then there could be a "historical" version or something for people who want to see what was up. I mean, you can rent Birth of a Nation anytime you want, but nobody in their right mind would get it for eentertainment, so I think stuff like that is in a different category.
That was the partly the producers doing, they were ashamed of it as they believe that MJ used it to lure or groom his victims. Unlike the Mel episode as it just pokes fun at Gibson himself, know-it-all fans & the Hollywood process
@@i.m.evilhomer5084 the producers had their opinion about Michael Jackson but Mel Gibson actually said the jews were responsible for the wars in this world
Incidently, the B'rer Rabbit stories originated in Ghana. Slave mothers taught them to their children as methods of dealing with white people. It would interesting to have those stories rehabilitated with the proper framing.
4:23 - Just for accuracy's sake, Song of the South takes place after The Civil War during the Reconstruction period... That doesn't hamper how uneasy this film was, to say the very extreme least, but, again, I needed to state some accuracy. Still love you guys and this channel and keep up the great work.
A point people make about the film is that you can't actually tell whether it's Reconstruction or during/before the Civil War. Because the movie takes place in a fantasyland where slavery (or the horrible aftermath of slavery, in the case of the Reconstruction) was all about being one big happy family and teaching white kids pithy life lessons.
@@EnshohmaEnshohma honestly from what I've heard about it from people that actually watched the movie. It's pretty bland, it has good songs, but it's really rather bland. basically the story is a kid befriends former slave uncle Remus, Remus tells him briar rabbit stories about rabbit outsmarting a bear and a fox, which the kid applies to some bullies, and then when the mother character gets all defensive, the kid seeks out Remus, and gets hurt because he ran into a bull's enclosure, the kid calls out for Remus, Remus comes, and the kid gets better, and everyone agrees to be nice to each other again. I mean it does have it issues the portrayal of the times basically shows black people living in shantytowns working for the white plantation people as servents( even the kids too) and they all speak In "slave talk" dialect(except the white people). Slavery is also kinda treated like it was a minor inconvenience and really glossed over or ignored like racism just ended after the civil war. what I'm saying is its racist, like really racist, but not because the story is racist, but because 90% of the characters in the movie are racist stereotypes. I mean you can get the movie easily if you really want to watch it, but it's probably not worth the effort really.
Disney made warnings on their streaming service that some of their movies include "outdated cultural depictions", but they still won't release Song of the South anytime soon.
That's a shame because it's probably one of their best and most memorable episodes. I don't even understand the logic of pulling it as he is uncredited and receives no royalties for his appearance.
I'm probably too old to have a unbiased view on song of the south but when I was a kid..it wasn't offensive to me(I'm black). The Uncle Remus reminded me of my grandpa. The jive talking characters I mostly knew were meant to be black..but the stereotype wasn't far from characters I'd seen on shows like Samford and Son or GoodTimes. So there was some familiarity there. Now that centaur cartoon...that's wild..OMG.
8:24 I remember having a discussion with my friend when she used the "Well......not ALL slaves were treated badly or wanted to leave" argument about american slavery (we were originally talking about elf slavery from the Harry Potter books of all things)
About the Fantasia character: if you look at the two scenes you can see they're actually two different characters. I think Sunflower is the one with flowers at the end of her braids and I heard the other one (with the bows in her hair) is named Otika from another TH-cam video.
As someone said before, Song of the South actually took place during reconstruction. However, as you said it kind of gives a glamorized version of that setting. I kind of wish Song Of the South could be put back into interest because I think it's an important part of Disney history and racial history as well. I also wish the Brer Rabbit stories would be brought back into public conscious, because in a lot of ways they were about how the little guy (aka slaves) could face up against their biggest opponents (slavers, overseers, crappy white people in general). If Song of the South was made today, I say have Uncle Remus be a former slave that lives with his family in a small town of freed blacks. Have the black boy be the one who tells his tales to, while the two white children in secret visit Uncle Remus and his grandson because their families would have a fit that they would befriend blacks. Also people exaggerate Walt into being some sort of monstrous racist. Also some of those sites that you bring up you better be careful because some of their information can be spotty or outright wrong. Walt Disney was a product of his time, especially in an era where no one minded making insensitive material concerning minorities. Interesting enough since Disneyland was in California, which didn't have segregation policies concerning establishments like Walt's black people were allowed in as guests. Also Sammy Davis Jr was at the opening of Disneyland. Also to call back how he was still a product of his time. There was an Aunt Jermima Kitchen at Disneyland when it opened. It used to be in Frontier Land (August 1955 - July 1970). duchessofdisneyland.com/park-history/aunt-jemima-pancake-house/
honestly surprised about the michael jackson Simpsons decision. The episode is completely harmless. You can't just wipe all reference to a person based on an allegation.
It’s more than just an allegation, but even then if people all over still listen to Michael Jackson’s music, there’s no reason why a cartoon about him shouldn’t exist.
@@wjsproductions1784 Michael Jackson was never convicted, therefore any claims of wrongdoing remain allegations and nothing more. When you look into the substance of the evidence brought to trial, as well, you find a lot of holes in the prosecution's case.
I saw it in the movie theater when I was really little. Reconstruction was one of the most violent eras in American history. That´s when the Triple K rose up
Song of the South is something Disney has tried to bury for decades as it has never had a home video release in the United States. Always comes down to money as part of the pull of Disney+ is access to classic Disney content so of course they’d be reluctant to exclude these movies. More “economical” to just slap a small disclaimer on them and call it a day.
It's funny how you don't know something is racist until somebody (aka the internet) tells you. For the longest time, I just thought those two cats were just Siamese...and that's it. Just cats. young Me: "I like the kitty song in Lady in the Tramp" Internet: "HOW DARE YOU, YOU IGNORANT RACIST!" Good thing we have people like Double Toasted using sincere humor to explain and showcase these issues so that various generations of viewers/listeners can wholeheartedly understand.
I understand where your coming from COMPLETELY. Was like that most of my life as a kid to actually about I think until middle school or early high school we're the existence of the human concept of racism and stereotypessomeone taught it to me. Probably late middle school.
The funny thing is how they are trying to focus on Walt Disney as if he was ‘different’ or worse than the average “American” of the same era. 😏 Disney represented how they ALL thought in their those days.
I believe they still show the Song of the South in some parts of Europe. And I remember the character Sunflower from Fantasia when I was a little kid I saw the old VHS version most of those Disney movies they came with an additional Disney cartoon some of them did have some stereotypes in it. plus a little known history fact Fantasia was the reason Disney started making propaganda cartoons during world war II because Fantasia was released in 1940 heavily bombed in the box office and Disney was on the verge of bankruptcy and the military was going around studios asking to make propaganda cartoons, and many of the soldiers who were drafted were farmers who couldn't read they had to find some way to get thier attention 20:54 that was their very first propaganda cartoon.
I agree with you on why they don't wanna show Song of the South movie, the thing that gets me is they still use that song in commercials for Disneyland. Disney love to be hypocrites where they pick and choose what they want.
Marvel's Black Panther & Disney's Mulan. I couldn't imagine having those properties on Disney Plus along with Song of the South and those animated cats with asian stereotypes. Some of these. Well a lot of these could've been left in the vault, shrugged off, left behind. But Disney can't quite shake it.
I'm with you guys. Even with the Confederate stuff like Confederate statues and such, I'm for putting them in a museum. They're part of history and we should learn from that but we shouldn't destroy it.
That was great, guys! I had to grow up before I realised that the black people in 'Gone With The Wind' weren't paid maids & servants. The movie's depiction of them was deliberately delusional. "The well-treated, content slave". Smh.
I hate censorship and when Disney tries to erase their past. I'm okay with Disney realizing what they done in the past and owning up to it. Explaining how they were culturally insensitive in the past that have changed and made strides since.
Yooooooo.... the centuars in Fantasia. I heard about the rumor but didn't know it was really. 'Sunflower' has me pissed. Being I'm an artist myself and I bet I can turn into a beautiful centaur goddess. That is terrible that put that in there and that was my favorite segment in Fantasia too.
This is what I was talking about when I criticized Disney (the company) for firing James Gunn. Disney no matter how progressive they wanna be, has any room to hold someone elses past against them
That Siamese cat from Aristocats? He was voiced by the late Paul Winchell, the original voice of Tigger. And he used the exact same voice here, the character even lets out Tigger's distinct hooting laugh at one point, it's the Tigger voice in Engrish. So yeah, Tigger had a brief yellow face gig in 1970. Let that sink in XD
I am against censorship and "sanitizing" original art and films. Adults should choose what they and their children view. My grandparents and I'd bet Korey's were very against just callously using the n-word the way Korey does. He takes context out of some of his criticism, such as the use of words like pickaninny. Which is fine for humor but he needs to include it when making factual points.
Disagree with me if you want, but I don't think the STORY of Song of the South or the character of Uncle Remus is racist. Yes I agree it brushes over the horrors of the slave trade but if you introduce to children right away the brutality and violence of 1800's America you will scar them (I'm not going to show a 1st grader 12 years a slave, it's rated R for a reason). If they watch Song of the South then they can visual an America that has no roads, no modern technology, and different social standards, then you can tell them the darker side of the subject. And yes I don't think Uncle Remus is a racist depiction (hear me out), he's a caricature of an old man from the south. First off, Uncle Remus is a free man, the movie is set in post-civil war. The way I interrupted Uncle Remus is he is a former slave born into a life of just hate, filth, treated lesser than even a dog, and yet he doesn't resent the white children because it wasn't them that whipped or dehumanized him. Uncle Remus is an old man that never experienced love and to me it is much more deeper that this former slave just wants to experience happiness in his last few years of life
So, you don't think the cartoon that accompanied it, was racist either? I mean, I saw that cartoon as a child (they were still showing it on the Disney channel quite frequently when I was growing up) and without understanding the context of what was going on, I was still completely horrified by the sight of Brer Rabbit beating the shit out of the "tar baby" (a term I had never heard in my life, and had no clue what it meant) all because he didn't acknowledge him, when he said hello. I was so utterly confused as to how Brer Bear & Brer Fox, knew this whole scheme of theirs was going to work, because I couldn't wrap my head around anyone (even if they were a cartoon) pummeling someone to death, because they didn't answer you. When I got older and found out what it all meant, my first thought was, jesus christ, that was insanely racist! I mean seriously, everyone focuses on the Uncle Remus character, but jesus, that cartoon is a mess too!
@@KittyGoldPaint no I don't think the cartoon was racist either, granted I haven't seen the film for a couple years cus it's not really a film I have on a favorites list but really you're horrified by cartoon characters beating up each other. Have you ever seen a Tom & Jerry or Looney Tunes episode? Unless you're Don Bluth and show cartoon characters bleeding most often we draw cartoons because we can beat them up and they don't actually get hurt, it's just slap stick. Would you consider Pepe le pew a racist depiction of French people (hear me out)? Essentially Warner Bros was saying french people are just rapists with funny accents. I argue that Pepe le pew isn't a racist depiction of french people, he's only one of the many archetypes we use of snobbish french culture. The Brer animals in Song of the South are archetypes of some of the lives in the south. I'm pretty sure if you lived in Louisiana or any other former confederate states you are going to find someone that talks in that accent similar to the Brer animals. Same with many cartoon characters: Speedy Gonzalez is just an archetype of a quick witted Mexican, Popeye is just an archetype of a stubborn Polish-American fisherman that cares about nothing but the sea (and his lady), Foghorn is just an archetype of a farmer. Are you honestly going to say that every cartoon character is racist only because they were created based on archetypes of real cultures. Mexicans love Speedy Gonzalez (look into the history that Mexican-Americans forced Warner Bros. to keep Speedy on the show when they planned to cancel the character), Popeye is an icon for all children to eat their greens even tho he talks funny like a stereotypical fisherman, so why is it that when Disney once made a movie where they the toons are based on an archetype of people in the boonies, in former confederate states, living in post civil war America, there is this double standard? I never saw the Brer animals as being solely depictions of black people (sure their voiced by black people but Mel Blanc voiced Speedy Gonzalez and last I checked Mel wasn't Mexican) but I could easily imagine a white person being a little prankster like Brer Rabbit, or sly like Brer Fox, or slow like Brer Bear, I would say those characters are more like Tom Sawyer and his pals (whites boys living in the south but were not racist) sorry for the paragraph response
Honestly it really does depend on your perspective. From what I hear, because I haven't seen the film, the actual movie itself is just bland and not that interesting. The movie glosses over a difficult subject, but honestly, what else were they supposed to do ? It's a kids movie....
@@masterDarts4188 ya it's bland, like I said in a previous reply it's not on any of my favorite lists but honestly if you want your kids to have a concept of 1800's America (without giving them trauma) then it's a good movie for that. I mean if you watch any Huckleberry Finn movie they gloss over the horrors of slavery, sure in the 93' version we see whip marks (no blood just marks) on black people's back. So I don't understand this argument that Corey is talking about that kids' movies taking place in civil war America must traumatize the kids. That's like saying whenever there's a kids' movie taking place in Medieval ages they HAVE to always show the black plague and how people die from it
I think, as kids, we didn't think about uncle what's his name as being a slave. We thought he was just a wise dude with a good voice. Like, he literally tells people to chill out and appreciate life. The crows in Dumbo, though, for sure, we identified with af-am music, blues, jazz, what have you, but like they were clever. Obviously, the slavery angle makes Song of the South totally f'd up, but as kids, we had no idea.
Yeah that Education For Death short film is eerie. I saw it on one of them Walt Disney Treasures series, the one with the collection of propaganda cartoons.
These things should be in documentaries showing the failings of our past. But not for the next generations children to learn before they can understand why it was wrong.
The stereotypes that remained intact on Disney+ are the ones that had significance to the film's plot. The narrative of Dumbo and Peter Pan would be incomplete if they were stripped.
At around 17:08 those words are almost verbatim on the card before old looney tunes shows. Which in my opinion is the best for this old stuff if you look it up and see it.
They left out an episode of Ducktales the orginal series, Launchpad's Civil War. In that episode Launchpad goes to his hometown as part of a civl war reeanactment. It should be self-explanatory why that episode is missing.
They still have the ride Splash Mountain at Disney which is from the movie Song of the South and the Animals sing the song but Uncle Remus is not part of the ride.
I just LOVE this new generation. But you know who I really love? The older ones who sided with the new generation. But at that TIME. Where laughing and giggling with everyone else........
Great Video as always, I honestly like when you guys talk about the controversial stuff in the entertainment industry; its interesting, scary and yet you guys make it entertaining!
Pretending that this shit never existed doesn't help matters in my opinion. It should be viewed by everyone so that the next generation never repeats that shit again.
I remember I own a dvd of Tex Avery's Droopy and that dvd also comes with warning about the episode is uncut, and have sensitive things that wasn’t appropriate then, it’s not appropriate now.
but disney+ is just a streaming service though, not some historic video archive. no matter if you think some old animated shorts have educational merit, or how much laura ingraham whines "but where's my childhood racism?", disney aren't obligated to provide you with anything really and no one is erasing anything from history.
I am going to assume that you're talking about Wolrd War 2. Chances of Ralph Lauren designing WW 2 German uniform is impossible seeing that he would've been 6 years old when the war ended. As for Calvin Kline, he would've been 2 years old when the war ended.
I saw education of death in high school my teacher showed it to us. I remember my cus told me it was Michael Jackson voicing the character and I didn't believe him at first.
It’s funny because whenever anybody compliments on how nice the Nazi uniforms looked I’m always reminded of the fact that Hugo Boss was the predominant producer of those uniforms and he was a Nazi sympathizer. 🤭 I found out because my mother had to explain to me why my grandfather wasn’t wearing a belt I bought him for his birthday in high school that was made by Hugo Boss. #TheMoreYouKnow
Cartoon Network used to do a show about controversial cartoons and their history in the 90s. Disney should follow WBs lead. And it's rather rich that Disney is now trying to hide the WWII propaganda films that saved Walt Disney Studios from bankruptcy after the flop that was Fantasia.
esimonsays14 ahh ok yeah I knew it was post civil war which is why I thought it is weird when people say this movie says slavery was cool or whatever ..I have not seen the movie, but thanks for the info
Song of the South took place during reconstruction, so slavery wasn't a part of this film. It was so the film wouldn't be about slavery, that Walt Disney chose to have it take place after the Civil War. The film is about a young boy who's parents are separated, and the boy desperately needs guidence. It was "Uncle Remus" who was trying to help the child, by giving him fables, that could teach him to use his brain over brawn. If anything, it's the boy's parents that come across badly.
Disney Movie Club is actually releasing Fantasia on blu ray for the first time in ten years. I’ll be very interested to see if Sunflower is in it or not. Hopefully, she is so that we can see the original director’s vision and preserve history. However, I think it would also be good if they had a disclaimer before the movie where they address this racist depiction.
Disney wasn't a fan of unions either. A lot of his workers who went on strike, around the time Fantasia came out, got the sack; that's why there's a certain difference in the animation style in the later films like Sleeping Beauty and the Jungle Book.
About Sunflower the donkey centaur, Disney outwardly said about the removal of the character as them not being racist. But they pulled a fast one on you. Disney was like "Oh, we're not having that character in there because it's racist, no, no, we're taking her out because we don't want people to think there are African-American centaurs!" Well, that's the gist of it to me. I mean, they don't have a problem showing African centaurs with zebra bodies. No, they just don't want you to think they ever left Africa. Pretty insensitive, no matter which way you put it. They like to twist things like that.
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I think Warner Brothers dealt with this better. They have warnings before the cartoons saying:
"Tom & Jerry shorts may depict some ethnic and racial prejudices that were once commonplace in American society. Such depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While not representing the Warner Bros. view of today's society, these shorts are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."
That is a great way to handle this.
Disney way of handling it: quick hide the shit so we don’t lose any money
Good point
Agreed
To forget our history means we’re doomed to repeat it. I wish they showed everything just so people would realize that it’s there in Disney history.
And it's not just in Disney history - it's in OUR history. It's part of our culture, whether we want to admit it or not.
@That One I agree. Otherwise, children won't understand how we got to where we are. But Disney should provide documentaries of how it has changed and why.
Couldn’t have put it better myself.
I'd love to see that, but it'd have to be in the same framework that Germany uses for the Holocaust. It would need to unquestionably send the message, "This is wrong and it can never happen again." Because there are still too many racists today who'd watch it just so they could laugh at black people & minorities.
@That One Thats dumb. Children shoudnt be watching anything all by themselves in the first place. Stop censoring past because you're butthurt now.
"A more lighthearted approach to genocide"- korey coleman
I heard him say that.
I was like, 'korey, you kidding me?!'😮
Preach
It's such an oxymoron of speech that I couldn't help but laugh my ass off hearing that.
Like “Springtime for Hitler”!
Quality.
Like Whoopi Goldberg I think perseveration with proper academic and historical context, would be better than burying terrible history. Their disclaimer is too weak and soft compare to WB Racist Looney Tunes dvd
Exactly.
That speech by Whoopi Goldberg was amazing
I especially love the part where they say that the shorts are kept the way they were because getting rid of those parts "would be like stating those prejudices never existed". That is the most mature and fair argument on keeping the ugly side of history. It's cruel, but you can't get rid of it just like that.
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-Bob Iger
The man who played Uncle Remus couldn't attend the premiere of Song of the South because it was in Atlanta in a Whites Only theatre.
Also yes, Walt was sexist. One old woman still has a rejection letter from when she tried to show her art to apply as an animator. It essentially told her women can't be animators but she could apply to be a receptionist. Even tough her art was better than most of the men who DID work for Disney.
You know it's stuff like that that makes me glad Atlanta is now a majority black city.
@@MMoturi22 What...what does that have to do with anything ?
@@masterDarts4188 Just knowing that they had whites only theatres and fucked over Uncle Remus like that. I'd like to see some peoples reaction from the time to how Atlanta turned out demographic wise
@@MMoturi22 I don't think most people would care that much now a days.
@@paintedjaguar I heard about her. Wasn't she the one who helped him with the Alice in Wonderland movie ?
We can't learn from the past by deleting, forgetting, censoring, sensitizing the past mistakes. Young people seeing our past mistakes will open conversations.
@That One Watch TV with your kids, then discuss is shown.
No matter what, kids are going to see disturbing things. Be there to educate them and answer their questions.
@@DaddyOfTheSugarVariety There is a time and place for that. Most parents are not going to be prepared on the spot for these discussions and families that already experience racism are likely having these conversations without having to be subjected to literal racist propaganda. This stuff is fine to keep available for teaching lessons about the past but it shouldn't be commercialized nowadays.
@@faithfm1 It seems like a good idea not to have those original versions out for general commercial consumption, so ok, edited out messed up parts, but then there could be a "historical" version or something for people who want to see what was up. I mean, you can rent Birth of a Nation anytime you want, but nobody in their right mind would get it for eentertainment, so I think stuff like that is in a different category.
@@faithfm1wrong
Disney took off the Michael Jackson in The Simpsons episode, but kept the Mel Gibson episode. Hypocrisy at its finest.
That was the partly the producers doing, they were ashamed of it as they believe that MJ used it to lure or groom his victims.
Unlike the Mel episode as it just pokes fun at Gibson himself, know-it-all fans & the Hollywood process
@@i.m.evilhomer5084 the producers had their opinion about Michael Jackson but Mel Gibson actually said the jews were responsible for the wars in this world
@@Jason5818UI Don't get me wrong, he's still an asshole though.
I dunno. I find paedophiles way harder to stomach than antisemites.
@Coco Limes There’s no proof MJ did anything though
Martin’s laugh always makes me laugh!
Percy66 c lol right
Martin's laugh always brightens my day.
He is a gift to this cold and dark world
Its infectious.
Incidently, the B'rer Rabbit stories originated in Ghana. Slave mothers taught them to their children as methods of dealing with white people. It would interesting to have those stories rehabilitated with the proper framing.
4:23 - Just for accuracy's sake, Song of the South takes place after The Civil War during the Reconstruction period... That doesn't hamper how uneasy this film was, to say the very extreme least, but, again, I needed to state some accuracy. Still love you guys and this channel and keep up the great work.
A point people make about the film is that you can't actually tell whether it's Reconstruction or during/before the Civil War. Because the movie takes place in a fantasyland where slavery (or the horrible aftermath of slavery, in the case of the Reconstruction) was all about being one big happy family and teaching white kids pithy life lessons.
@@JoelBurger Better point.
@@EnshohmaEnshohma honestly from what I've heard about it from people that actually watched the movie. It's pretty bland, it has good songs, but it's really rather bland. basically the story is a kid befriends former slave uncle Remus, Remus tells him briar rabbit stories about rabbit outsmarting a bear and a fox, which the kid applies to some bullies, and then when the mother character gets all defensive, the kid seeks out Remus, and gets hurt because he ran into a bull's enclosure, the kid calls out for Remus, Remus comes, and the kid gets better, and everyone agrees to be nice to each other again.
I mean it does have it issues the portrayal of the times basically shows black people living in shantytowns working for the white plantation people as servents( even the kids too) and they all speak In "slave talk" dialect(except the white people). Slavery is also kinda treated like it was a minor inconvenience and really glossed over or ignored like racism just ended after the civil war.
what I'm saying is its racist, like really racist, but not because the story is racist, but because 90% of the characters in the movie are racist stereotypes.
I mean you can get the movie easily if you really want to watch it, but it's probably not worth the effort really.
Disney made warnings on their streaming service that some of their movies include "outdated cultural depictions", but they still won't release Song of the South anytime soon.
Erasure of history
Michael Strong I own a bootleg copy of it on dvd so I’m good. It’s really not that great of a film. Only the animation parts are decent.
who fucking cares?
@@MrConredsX lol "Erasure of history" fuck outta here. You don't care the history. You yearn for the "good old days".
Because song of the south isn't very good and they don't care enough to protect or preserve it
"The Nazis knew how to dress!"
Thanks to Hugo Boss.
Just about to say that
Yep
I heard the reason the Michael Jackson episode was pulled because of the producers pulled it - it's also not playing in syndication either.
That's alil lame
That's a shame because it's probably one of their best and most memorable episodes. I don't even understand the logic of pulling it as he is uncredited and receives no royalties for his appearance.
It will also be omitted in future DVD or Blu-ray releases.
Yea that part was messed up
Aww shit I was dying when they were talking about Walt Disney reactions to the princess and the frog.
Damn Korey coming out with that fine lookin jacket
I'm probably too old to have a unbiased view on song of the south but when I was a kid..it wasn't offensive to me(I'm black). The Uncle Remus reminded me of my grandpa. The jive talking characters I mostly knew were meant to be black..but the stereotype wasn't far from characters I'd seen on shows like Samford and Son or GoodTimes. So there was some familiarity there. Now that centaur cartoon...that's wild..OMG.
8:24 I remember having a discussion with my friend when she used the "Well......not ALL slaves were treated badly or wanted to leave" argument about american slavery (we were originally talking about elf slavery from the Harry Potter books of all things)
About the Fantasia character: if you look at the two scenes you can see they're actually two different characters. I think Sunflower is the one with flowers at the end of her braids and I heard the other one (with the bows in her hair) is named Otika from another TH-cam video.
"THE PRINCESS IS A NI-"
"Put his head back." lmao
Reminds me of The sheriff is a ni- *BONG*
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As someone said before, Song of the South actually took place during reconstruction. However, as you said it kind of gives a glamorized version of that setting. I kind of wish Song Of the South could be put back into interest because I think it's an important part of Disney history and racial history as well. I also wish the Brer Rabbit stories would be brought back into public conscious, because in a lot of ways they were about how the little guy (aka slaves) could face up against their biggest opponents (slavers, overseers, crappy white people in general). If Song of the South was made today, I say have Uncle Remus be a former slave that lives with his family in a small town of freed blacks. Have the black boy be the one who tells his tales to, while the two white children in secret visit Uncle Remus and his grandson because their families would have a fit that they would befriend blacks.
Also people exaggerate Walt into being some sort of monstrous racist. Also some of those sites that you bring up you better be careful because some of their information can be spotty or outright wrong. Walt Disney was a product of his time, especially in an era where no one minded making insensitive material concerning minorities. Interesting enough since Disneyland was in California, which didn't have segregation policies concerning establishments like Walt's black people were allowed in as guests. Also Sammy Davis Jr was at the opening of Disneyland. Also to call back how he was still a product of his time. There was an Aunt Jermima Kitchen at Disneyland when it opened. It used to be in Frontier Land (August 1955 - July 1970).
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wow someone actually did their research
Interesting good to know...
06:59 Dude that's like every DT episode 😂😂😂, First one even sounds like Corey, Martin with the hat, and Oz leaning forward in a t-shirt!
Most of these were censored by Disney before Disney+. Why would Disney make them available on its streaming service now?
My mom threw out my Peter Pan tape over What Made the Red Man Red. That scene was really cringy and awful 😣
I’m Native American and even as a kid it felt weird looking at the natives in that film.
I think its important to not shy away from the mistakes of the past. If we dont want to repeat it, we need to remember it
I am glad y'all talk about this topic. I never heard of some of this for real. Thanks for sharing this video right here.
Damn that sucks. tthe MJ episode is like one of the best episodes.
Those black crows in dumbo really fucked me up later in life as a young child I was oblivious to all that racism
honestly surprised about the michael jackson Simpsons decision. The episode is completely harmless. You can't just wipe all reference to a person based on an allegation.
It’s more than just an allegation, but even then if people all over still listen to Michael Jackson’s music, there’s no reason why a cartoon about him shouldn’t exist.
@@wjsproductions1784 Michael Jackson was never convicted, therefore any claims of wrongdoing remain allegations and nothing more. When you look into the substance of the evidence brought to trial, as well, you find a lot of holes in the prosecution's case.
@@wjsproductions1784fbi searched his home and looked at his dick , they were just allegations
9:47 why does Walt Disney's frozen head look like Donald southerland?
“THE PRINCESS IS A NI-“ made me laugh so hard. Reminded me of that one scene from Blazing Saddles
I saw it in the movie theater when I was really little. Reconstruction was one of the most violent eras in American history. That´s when the Triple K rose up
Song of the South is something Disney has tried to bury for decades as it has never had a home video release in the United States. Always comes down to money as part of the pull of Disney+ is access to classic Disney content so of course they’d be reluctant to exclude these movies. More “economical” to just slap a small disclaimer on them and call it a day.
It's funny how you don't know something is racist until somebody (aka the internet) tells you. For the longest time, I just thought those two cats were just Siamese...and that's it. Just cats.
young Me: "I like the kitty song in Lady in the Tramp"
Internet: "HOW DARE YOU, YOU IGNORANT RACIST!"
Good thing we have people like Double Toasted using sincere humor to explain and showcase these issues so that various generations of viewers/listeners can wholeheartedly understand.
I understand where your coming from COMPLETELY. Was like that most of my life as a kid to actually about I think until middle school or early high school we're the existence of the human concept of racism and stereotypessomeone taught it to me. Probably late middle school.
The funny thing is how they are trying to focus on Walt Disney as if he was ‘different’ or worse than the average “American” of the same era. 😏
Disney represented how they ALL thought in their those days.
I'm with you guys, I don't believe in burying history.
I believe they still show the Song of the South in some parts of Europe. And I remember the character Sunflower from Fantasia when I was a little kid I saw the old VHS version most of those Disney movies they came with an additional Disney cartoon some of them did have some stereotypes in it. plus a little known history fact Fantasia was the reason Disney started making propaganda cartoons during world war II because Fantasia was released in 1940 heavily bombed in the box office and Disney was on the verge of bankruptcy and the military was going around studios asking to make propaganda cartoons, and many of the soldiers who were drafted were farmers who couldn't read they had to find some way to get thier attention 20:54 that was their very first propaganda cartoon.
I agree with you on why they don't wanna show Song of the South movie, the thing that gets me is they still use that song in commercials for Disneyland. Disney love to be hypocrites where they pick and choose what they want.
Marvel's Black Panther & Disney's Mulan.
I couldn't imagine having those properties on Disney Plus along with Song of the South and those animated cats with asian stereotypes.
Some of these.
Well a lot of these could've been left in the vault, shrugged off, left behind.
But Disney can't quite shake it.
I'm with you guys. Even with the Confederate stuff like Confederate statues and such, I'm for putting them in a museum. They're part of history and we should learn from that but we shouldn't destroy it.
This ish got me cracking up. Disney waking up seeing Princess and the Frog was hilarious
That Siamese cat in the Aristocats was actually voiced by Paul Winchell, the original voice of Tigger.
If these two think Disney was racist, wait till they find out about Warner Brothers, Looney Tunes & Bugs Bunny!
Corey is an animator himself, so I'm pretty sure he's aware.
Imagine if Korey and Martin did a video about the infamous "Banned 11" shorts from Warner Bros
And not to mention two Ducktales 1987 episodes gone missing!
Launchpad's Civil War and what is the other one?
@@RiggsBF Sphinx for the Memories
That was great, guys!
I had to grow up before I realised that the black people in 'Gone With The Wind' weren't paid maids & servants. The movie's depiction of them was deliberately delusional. "The well-treated, content slave". Smh.
I hate censorship and when Disney tries to erase their past. I'm okay with Disney realizing what they done in the past and owning up to it. Explaining how they were culturally insensitive in the past that have changed and made strides since.
For a paid service, NOTHING should be edited. It exists already. No need to sweep history under a rug
Great vid guys,👍🏾 y’all were able to be comedic but informative in regards to Disney... luv the Channel🔥🔥🔥
Yooooooo.... the centuars in Fantasia. I heard about the rumor but didn't know it was really. 'Sunflower' has me pissed. Being I'm an artist myself and I bet I can turn into a beautiful centaur goddess. That is terrible that put that in there and that was my favorite segment in Fantasia too.
This is what I was talking about when I criticized Disney (the company) for firing James Gunn.
Disney no matter how progressive they wanna be, has any room to hold someone elses past
against them
I remember uncle remus, and when i was a child a saw nothing racist in it. Keep in mind that kids don't have the same views than an adult.
You may think nothing was wrong as a kid but alot of things are subconsciously ingrained in you
That Siamese cat from Aristocats? He was voiced by the late Paul Winchell, the original voice of Tigger. And he used the exact same voice here, the character even lets out Tigger's distinct hooting laugh at one point, it's the Tigger voice in Engrish. So yeah, Tigger had a brief yellow face gig in 1970. Let that sink in XD
Wasn't there a Mickey Mouse cartoon where him and Minnie are putting on a minstrel show and he gets into black face with an exploding cigar?
Who else actually really enjoys the Crows from Dumbo and cats from the first Lady and the Tramp?
"They were also spoofing the allies...like the Japanese."
...Um...Oops! =P
I am against censorship and "sanitizing" original art and films. Adults should choose what they and their children view. My grandparents and I'd bet Korey's were very against just callously using the n-word the way Korey does. He takes context out of some of his criticism, such as the use of words like pickaninny. Which is fine for humor but he needs to include it when making factual points.
Even as a 6 year old Boy I was like what's with those Crows in Fox and the Hound that seems off .
Disagree with me if you want, but I don't think the STORY of Song of the South or the character of Uncle Remus is racist. Yes I agree it brushes over the horrors of the slave trade but if you introduce to children right away the brutality and violence of 1800's America you will scar them (I'm not going to show a 1st grader 12 years a slave, it's rated R for a reason). If they watch Song of the South then they can visual an America that has no roads, no modern technology, and different social standards, then you can tell them the darker side of the subject. And yes I don't think Uncle Remus is a racist depiction (hear me out), he's a caricature of an old man from the south. First off, Uncle Remus is a free man, the movie is set in post-civil war. The way I interrupted Uncle Remus is he is a former slave born into a life of just hate, filth, treated lesser than even a dog, and yet he doesn't resent the white children because it wasn't them that whipped or dehumanized him. Uncle Remus is an old man that never experienced love and to me it is much more deeper that this former slave just wants to experience happiness in his last few years of life
So, you don't think the cartoon that accompanied it, was racist either? I mean, I saw that cartoon as a child (they were still showing it on the Disney channel quite frequently when I was growing up) and without understanding the context of what was going on, I was still completely horrified by the sight of Brer Rabbit beating the shit out of the "tar baby" (a term I had never heard in my life, and had no clue what it meant) all because he didn't acknowledge him, when he said hello. I was so utterly confused as to how Brer Bear & Brer Fox, knew this whole scheme of theirs was going to work, because I couldn't wrap my head around anyone (even if they were a cartoon) pummeling someone to death, because they didn't answer you. When I got older and found out what it all meant, my first thought was, jesus christ, that was insanely racist! I mean seriously, everyone focuses on the Uncle Remus character, but jesus, that cartoon is a mess too!
@@KittyGoldPaint no I don't think the cartoon was racist either, granted I haven't seen the film for a couple years cus it's not really a film I have on a favorites list but really you're horrified by cartoon characters beating up each other. Have you ever seen a Tom & Jerry or Looney Tunes episode? Unless you're Don Bluth and show cartoon characters bleeding most often we draw cartoons because we can beat them up and they don't actually get hurt, it's just slap stick. Would you consider Pepe le pew a racist depiction of French people (hear me out)? Essentially Warner Bros was saying french people are just rapists with funny accents. I argue that Pepe le pew isn't a racist depiction of french people, he's only one of the many archetypes we use of snobbish french culture. The Brer animals in Song of the South are archetypes of some of the lives in the south. I'm pretty sure if you lived in Louisiana or any other former confederate states you are going to find someone that talks in that accent similar to the Brer animals. Same with many cartoon characters: Speedy Gonzalez is just an archetype of a quick witted Mexican, Popeye is just an archetype of a stubborn Polish-American fisherman that cares about nothing but the sea (and his lady), Foghorn is just an archetype of a farmer. Are you honestly going to say that every cartoon character is racist only because they were created based on archetypes of real cultures. Mexicans love Speedy Gonzalez (look into the history that Mexican-Americans forced Warner Bros. to keep Speedy on the show when they planned to cancel the character), Popeye is an icon for all children to eat their greens even tho he talks funny like a stereotypical fisherman, so why is it that when Disney once made a movie where they the toons are based on an archetype of people in the boonies, in former confederate states, living in post civil war America, there is this double standard? I never saw the Brer animals as being solely depictions of black people (sure their voiced by black people but Mel Blanc voiced Speedy Gonzalez and last I checked Mel wasn't Mexican) but I could easily imagine a white person being a little prankster like Brer Rabbit, or sly like Brer Fox, or slow like Brer Bear, I would say those characters are more like Tom Sawyer and his pals (whites boys living in the south but were not racist) sorry for the paragraph response
Honestly it really does depend on your perspective. From what I hear, because I haven't seen the film, the actual movie itself is just bland and not that interesting. The movie glosses over a difficult subject, but honestly, what else were they supposed to do ? It's a kids movie....
@@masterDarts4188 ya it's bland, like I said in a previous reply it's not on any of my favorite lists but honestly if you want your kids to have a concept of 1800's America (without giving them trauma) then it's a good movie for that. I mean if you watch any Huckleberry Finn movie they gloss over the horrors of slavery, sure in the 93' version we see whip marks (no blood just marks) on black people's back. So I don't understand this argument that Corey is talking about that kids' movies taking place in civil war America must traumatize the kids. That's like saying whenever there's a kids' movie taking place in Medieval ages they HAVE to always show the black plague and how people die from it
I believe it has racist undertones for sure.
When I worked at Disney we used to show Song of the South on the pool deck
Don't forget that Darkwing Duck episode where Satan is the villain.
Yeah that might offend legal taxpaying members of the church of Satanism 🤔
I think, as kids, we didn't think about uncle what's his name as being a slave. We thought he was just a wise dude with a good voice. Like, he literally tells people to chill out and appreciate life. The crows in Dumbo, though, for sure, we identified with af-am music, blues, jazz, what have you, but like they were clever. Obviously, the slavery angle makes Song of the South totally f'd up, but as kids, we had no idea.
You can still get Song of The South. You have to buy bootlegs from Japan.
these need to be seen so people can change and see what was wrong.
Yeah that Education For Death short film is eerie. I saw it on one of them Walt Disney Treasures series, the one with the collection of propaganda cartoons.
These things should be in documentaries showing the failings of our past. But not for the next generations children to learn before they can understand why it was wrong.
The stereotypes that remained intact on Disney+ are the ones that had significance to the film's plot. The narrative of Dumbo and Peter Pan would be incomplete if they were stripped.
At around 17:08 those words are almost verbatim on the card before old looney tunes shows. Which in my opinion is the best for this old stuff if you look it up and see it.
I want more of the old Goofy shorts on Disney Plus.
I remember Sunflower.
They left out an episode of Ducktales the orginal series, Launchpad's Civil War. In that episode Launchpad goes to his hometown as part of a civl war reeanactment. It should be self-explanatory why that episode is missing.
They still have the ride Splash Mountain at Disney which is from the movie Song of the South and the Animals sing the song but Uncle Remus is not part of the ride.
I just LOVE this new generation. But you know who I really love?
The older ones who sided with the new generation. But at that TIME. Where laughing and giggling with everyone else........
Walt Disney was a middle aged dude trying to build a fairytale castle on top of a orange farm. There’s gonna be a few screws loose up there.
Great Video as always, I honestly like when you guys talk about the controversial stuff in the entertainment industry; its interesting, scary and yet you guys make it entertaining!
Pretending that this shit never existed doesn't help matters in my opinion.
It should be viewed by everyone so that the next generation never repeats that shit again.
These guys are like the black Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers of YT movie reviews.
"Hell No" My man Korey
I remember I own a dvd of Tex Avery's Droopy and that dvd also comes with warning
about the episode is uncut, and have sensitive things that wasn’t appropriate then, it’s not appropriate now.
If Disney was hired by Disney they would have to James Gunn they self LoL
but disney+ is just a streaming service though, not some historic video archive. no matter if you think some old animated shorts have educational merit, or how much laura ingraham whines "but where's my childhood racism?", disney aren't obligated to provide you with anything really and no one is erasing anything from history.
I heard Ralph lauren or calvin klein made the german uniforms
Hugo Boss
I am going to assume that you're talking about Wolrd War 2. Chances of Ralph Lauren designing WW 2 German uniform is impossible seeing that he would've been 6 years old when the war ended.
As for Calvin Kline, he would've been 2 years old when the war ended.
@@scudz323 it was hugo boss
The only way I’d try out Disney+ is if it were included with Hulu Premium, which apparently it is at the moment
I hated that D+ wasn't a single add-on for Hulu.
I saw education of death in high school my teacher showed it to us. I remember my cus told me it was Michael Jackson voicing the character and I didn't believe him at first.
It’s funny because whenever anybody compliments on how nice the Nazi uniforms looked I’m always reminded of the fact that Hugo Boss was the predominant producer of those uniforms and he was a Nazi sympathizer. 🤭 I found out because my mother had to explain to me why my grandfather wasn’t wearing a belt I bought him for his birthday in high school that was made by Hugo Boss. #TheMoreYouKnow
Same with my grandfather but with Mitsubishi. He would never buy or ride in one.
Aren’t Rappers with Gold chains and people using the N word a lot in the modern day are the new African America stereotypes?
Cartoon Network used to do a show about controversial cartoons and their history in the 90s. Disney should follow WBs lead. And it's rather rich that Disney is now trying to hide the WWII propaganda films that saved Walt Disney Studios from bankruptcy after the flop that was Fantasia.
Isn’t song of the south set post civil war?
It does take place in Reconstruction South, but its racial politics are still iffy (that being said, I do think it should be available).
esimonsays14 ahh ok yeah I knew it was post civil war which is why I thought it is weird when people say this movie says slavery was cool or whatever ..I have not seen the movie, but thanks for the info
@@gideonp9762 how is it weird
Im 36 i remember watching song of the south in 3rd grade feeling somthing wasnt right then moms made us watch roots and i knew it was bull
Song of the South took place during reconstruction, so slavery wasn't a part of this film. It was so the film wouldn't be about slavery, that Walt Disney chose to have it take place after the Civil War. The film is about a young boy who's parents are separated, and the boy desperately needs guidence. It was "Uncle Remus" who was trying to help the child, by giving him fables, that could teach him to use his brain over brawn. If anything, it's the boy's parents that come across badly.
It Blows my mind how a iconic kids movie is considered a racist movie and that its in poor taste but dijango gets a free pass the world's retarded.
For me this is why I’m not supporting Disney+ because I don’t believe in censorship. Pretty much Korey said
Disney Movie Club is actually releasing Fantasia on blu ray for the first time in ten years. I’ll be very interested to see if Sunflower is in it or not. Hopefully, she is so that we can see the original director’s vision and preserve history. However, I think it would also be good if they had a disclaimer before the movie where they address this racist depiction.
Korey looks pretty sweet in that jacket
Disney wasn't a fan of unions either. A lot of his workers who went on strike, around the time Fantasia came out, got the sack; that's why there's a certain difference in the animation style in the later films like Sleeping Beauty and the Jungle Book.
Siamese cats in that movie are weird!
I love this show. Keep up the great work guys. Your reviews are awesome.
i did watch der fuehrer's face, but the education of death. I watched it when i was around 10 yrs old, and man that gives me nightmare.
So many people in the world love Disney, I couldn't care less about the company.
I saw the movie just to say I have seen it personally I don’t remember them ever explicitly saying in the film if they were slaves or not
About Sunflower the donkey centaur, Disney outwardly said about the removal of the character as them not being racist. But they pulled a fast one on you. Disney was like "Oh, we're not having that character in there because it's racist, no, no, we're taking her out because we don't want people to think there are African-American centaurs!"
Well, that's the gist of it to me. I mean, they don't have a problem showing African centaurs with zebra bodies. No, they just don't want you to think they ever left Africa. Pretty insensitive, no matter which way you put it. They like to twist things like that.
Actually the live action Lady and the Tramp does have the Siamese cats in it
But do they sing the song ?
No looks like the writers made a new song for them 😂
I respect warner Bros more than Disney rn tbh cuz at least when warner bros releases their old shit their disclaimer seems legitimate