Nice gun! More efficient for me to shoot a left handed rifle right handed ,less hassle to keep trigger hand on rifle while the left hand works the bolt and does mag change scope doping
Interesting. Did you know Lee Harvey Oswald was left handed? Thats why he could work the right handed bolt so efficiently. My life long hunting and shooting buddy is left handed. All his bolt guns are right handed . He does not have any latency issues. NDR
Where are you in Nevada? I've lived in Las Vegas 50 years, have been shooting for 40, and do all my shooting in the desert. I have to drive a little farther today to get to a good spot but it still beats going to a public range. I'm just looking for a general part of the state, not a specific spot.
At the time I was launching the 135gr Berger Bullet at 2950fps. I have since reworked the load with another powder and they are leaving at just over 3000fps. NDR
Good shooting. Looks like a ton of fun. 👍 Have you ever watched the MarkandSam Afterwork channel? They are Aussies who do a lot of long range shooting. I've learned quite a bit from watching Mark's videos where he explains a variety of things. Also, they've pretty much perfected filming the shooting too.
I believe I know who you are talking about. This is as far as I can go at the current spot I shoot at. I may have found a spot where I will be able to get out farther this fall.
That is not a question I can answer. I dont know what you are doing and where you are going. I do know this the faster you can launch a round the flatter it fly's and the less time mother nature has to effect its path. The ballistics calculator I use is www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi Or you can can use a ballistics calculator of your choice. The ballistics calculators will help you decide what to do but be honest with what you want. Take the 6.5 creedmore it is nothing more than a 260 remington with a 1-8 twist. The faster twist allows more bullets to come back through the sound barrier at long range. But if you will never shoot beyond 200 yards why pay the 6.5 creedmore premium? Since you are talking about a Ackley Round that means you are a reloader. Unless you already have the dies and brass for the Ackley right now the gun or barrel is easier to get than the brass and dies. And in my case I wanted to built a 6.5-06 instead of the 25-06 but there was no brass anywhere for either the 6.5-06 or 25-06 But since I was already shooting a 25-06 I had the brass and dies. And thankfully Berger has 2 bullets that work great with my new gun and 1-8 twist. The 135 grain bullet in this video I have taken out to 2200 yards so far I have 2 videos in the can as they say that I will be publishing in the next few months one over 2000 yards and a 2200 yard video. Think about what you want to do and your goals. Then consider availability of components or loaded cartridges. Like it or not these are the times we live in. Last but not least what ever you decide enjoy your choice, Have fun. I have never met a shootn iron that was not fun to shoot. And if you look on my channel I have a 2200 yard video with pistol chambered in 300 Blackout at 2200 Yards for me that means nothing but fun. Enjoy your build and take it where people dont think it belongs.That is a desert rats credo. NDR
You ever do any hunting? When I first moved to NV years ago I remember thinking that a 17" barreled .308 wasn't going to be the best thing to hit 'em at desert ranges. As for 1 mile shooting, well I'd be ecstatic to get within 20' of the target!
If that is all you have people hunt with less. If thats all I had I would go with a 150gr bullet Get a range finder practice out to the distances you will hunt. Your rifle is a very minor handicap. NDR
@@nevadadesertrat267 Thanks, appreciate the words of wisdom. An accurate rangefinder would be a game changer. The farthest I've shot in civilian life is ~250 yards.
Yes I ordered the barrel. I also built the rifle. It was my second build. I couple years earlier I built the 30-06 that is in some of my videos. The 30-06 I used a Savage Axis action and this rifle I used a Savage 110 action. The 25-06 here cost me about $1200 to build before optics since I already had the barrel nut wrench, Action Vice, and Torque Wrench from the 06 build. NDR
I didn't want to subscribe to this channel because I'm grumpy. But after watching your videos I came to the conclusion that you're awesome man. So I subscribed anyway. But I still don't have to like it. 😤 🤣🤣🤣
Good mornin to you Sir, I hope that your day starts out Great for you, and maintains that the whole day through. You know technology is a wonderful thing most times, but it can be a royal pain in the ass all to often. Such as this morning, believe this or not, but I was almost completely finished with composing this short novel to yourself. let me warn you prior to any response you may reply with. I am on the long winded side with my comments.! Let me clean that up because if I don't it would be next to best thing to me outright telling you a lie, and I do my best to avoid that if at all possible. I warn you ahead of time that I'm what some call long winded, in that I can get a bit excessive with the extent of my comments. That at times I'll agree read more like novels, and no Sir I don't intentionally set out with that as my goal. I caught notice of you, because of your title to do with Tom's visit to the lands down under. I was doubtful as to the accuracy of that particular shot, because we all take it for granted that it'd be rather obvious that the special effects Nerd's. You have couple of my favorites I noticed immediately. Sharpes, even though a retomod at that, and not that takes any of the WOW, cool factor away from it. I only wish I was still in a position to afford such beautiful weapons. Another being the infamous Springfield of 1903, along with the technology if the days gone by. It's still a virgin from what I was able to see, meaning that some wanna be badass legend in his own mind gun smith.. Factory stock specked military grade black walnut, original barrel still sporting the front sight firmly attached. The dreaded straight bolt with it's bad habit of becoming entangled in everything it got close to, and down right uncomfortable to use in my thinking. A good many very different verity of calibers too. Majority of which aren't especially noted for they're abilities to reach out and touch someone from any great distances. Except with someone who has the capability to take the average so so weapon with a load that isn't exactly suited for the task at hand. You've one or two specifically built for exactly what you're doing with it too. Only I noticed that you have a fondness for the older calibers more so than the newer ones. Only there's couple I would have thought that you would have mixed in towards middle of the calibers I've seen in your collection. Namely the 270 caliber, or the swift stinger both capable of very fast and flat. The one that I really use to enjoy more than any other was a Win Mag from the late 40's or 50's I believe, but never really got the justice it rightly deserved honestly in my lowly opinion. Basically it's around today but not by the original caliber, because I understand that the 6.5 Creedmoor is almost identical to it. Not being familiar with the metric method of measurement I can't honestly be absolutely positive about this. What I can tell you is that it was far more capable than many that have since replaced it. Middle to late 80's Ruger picked it back up, and used it in the model 77 I believe that is what I read somewhere. My knowledge of its abilities comes from years of using it for hunting in various regions of Texas. Plus I always had the ability to hit pretty much everything I put in the cross hairs, or iron sights either one. Sad part of it was back then, there wasn't a variety of premium powders, are projectiles to choose from. That and I didn't have the means to afford the proper equipment to teach myself to reload my own. So it was either hunt and search around Dallas Ft Worth area for factory nosler loads at 140 grain. Until a friend of a friend would reload my brass for me, and he supplied the lead primers, powder, and equipment to make them for me. Never had any problems out of his loads, except I didn't think he loaded them to factory specs. As I tended to fall short on average compared to outta box. Maybe you have heard of Remingtons version, that was back at the beginning of the 700 BDL series, and I believe that there was something that came before it but wasn't nearly as nice as far as wood grade used, and I don't believe it was made with ss barrel either, or maybe it was shorter barrel something like that. I unfortunately never could afford the optimal scope for it either. The mid grade cheap one I had, was vary capable of good distance, but not great distance due to the glass wasn't that great, and unless you had the sun where you wanted it, it could cause a glare to be rather bothersome. Five to six hundred yards easily enough, and made some I know we're further, but that was a old fixed 4 power scope with small optics. On several occasions I hunted with my dad, and his buddies on the western side of the rockies. Where it never failed that the only mule deer that I was able to get in the hairs was on the next mountain over, and always on the shady side with sun bouncing off the snow scattered around me. I've since gave it to one of my nephews, but been seriously considering asking him to return it at least until I've gone. Mainly because he says he can't afford to shoot it due to the cost of buying factory loads. There's anything I hate worse than disrespectful people, is straight up stupid people, and lastly letting good equipment lay around going to waste, are worse in a place that the elements can get to something made of iron or steel. Sorry for my composing another novel for some innocent person to read. Oh yes, 1903, my dad had one, that was a fine shooter, but had been owned by one of those people I mentioned earlier. She was a sweet heart, but with Remington 150 grain bullets, if you were anything beyond 150 yards. You ended up dam near pointing it at the moon at midnight on full moon trying to shout the old cow jumping over it. That's exactly what it felt like to me, and we'd gone together and got him gold ring 10X with Burris rings, and he'd machined the receiver himself as he was excellent machinist for Texas Insterments proto type fab shop for engineering department of development. Well hopefully I haven't bored you to death, are created a enemy for life due to my uncontrollable bad habit of rewriting gone with the wind ]PS The caliber that I was referring to is the Winchester 264 Mag, the 700bdl that I had was from 1965 or 6 serial numbers are bit confusing around that time I believe Remington was changing System of how they numbered their wespons if I remember correctly, but there was something different about it that slips my mind at the moment
Always good to here from someone that appreciates hunting and Shooting and knows some history. First I have never met a gun or cartridge that was not fun to shoot. your 300 win mag I hear the bull about how the 6.5 creedmore or as I like to say needsmore matched the 300 win mag in military trials. I dont believe it the 6.5 needsmore cant keep up with the 300wm it cant touch my 30-06 and sure cant keep up with my 25-06. It is a modern cartridge with small case capacity that was setup correctly (SAAMI Specs) with a fast twist to utilize modern low drag bullets. Both my 30-06 and 25-06 I built myself both cost a similar price as a 6.5needsmore off the shelf. And that is the thing both the 25 and 30-06 might be old but with a 1-8 twist barrel it can take advantage of the modern low drag bullets as well as modern powders. As far as the 300wm because of the distances they needed to shoot in the desert the military rebarred the 308 sniper rifles with 300wm barrels. So the 300wm is still in use today by the military. One of the things you touched on is shooting peep sights and affordable scopes the scope that went through the hell of being broken in the desert with me is a $100 BSA scope I used it to make my 1000yd freehand video. It took a beating and still works great. I think I mention that in the video. What cracks me up is how people need all this hi-tech shooting gear and I am just as guilty. But I cut my teeth on a peep sight and open sights. And it is fun and a challenge to really go for it with peep and open sights. Give me any good quality hitech modern gun a box of ammo and most the time I can get it on the 1000yd target in less than 10 rounds and that includes the sighting in portion. Thats why I really enjoyed making the videos with my Sharps and the 1903 and hopefully I am not through with it yet. Its not just looking through the scope hold steady and go easy on the trigger. I will leave you with this story you should appreciate because you commented on being able to hit what you aimed at. Back in the 80s and 90s I used to shoot at a public range with a tin can range. There was a line 40yds out and the hill was 45yds. You could only shoot at cans between the line and hill. Whenever I got out my CVA 45cal muzzle loading rifle stoked it with the black powder of choice. The tin cans would go flying all over the place. A lot of the guys would always come up and ask to shoot it. You might say in my hands it attracted attention. Most guys could not hit anything with it but enjoyed the opportunity to shoot it. On occasion when a real shooter would get behind it and the tin can would go for a ride. I could see in there eyes how good it made them feel to be able to hit targets with such old technology. To quote Mathew Quigley at the end of the movie " I said I never had a use for that shooter I never said I didnt know how to use it" NDR
@@nevadadesertrat267 And Mr. Q said it correctly. The reason for the cheap scope was if there's no provisions for iron sights, then one adapts to the situation at hand. The cheap scope mentioned is still in place to my knowledge. I am not one to change something that still functions. Resolved the glare issues by attaching different eye cup, and my dad made a slip on hood is best way I can describe it to keep anything but straight in your face glare down to minimum. Firm believer in the Springfield 120%, even with the antiquated barrel . The scope was his Christmas present the year before he passed, and because he always spoke of one day putting one on in the setup mentioned. I also finished the walnut Monte Carlo stock that was nude except for his brother who refurbished old Chris Craft, and Larson wooden boats, as well as a custom furniture builder gave him some wax he'd made himself to protect the wood until it was done correctly. Which btw neither one ever seem to have time to do their own projects for working on someone else's. Anyway he showed me how to heat the wood slowly and burnish the wax into the grain to stay to a semi gloss level of shine merely by using a cloth diaper and friction of your hands to bring it up. We, my uncle and I even plugged the old holes left by whomever removed the iron sights originally and butchered the conversion from straight bolt lever to curved. Welds looked as if a blind chicken had done it. Anyway reblued the barrel and cleaned up the bolt with die grinder, and my uncle floated the stock to conform better to the barrel. My dad paid 150 dollars for the Springfield as it was, "very rough", and a old model Winchester 30-30 saddle rifle with scabbard in great condition, and 3 boxes of shells. That had to have been in the mid 60's from looking at old pictures of him from before I was allowed to take off school to go to Colorado for a week hunting in the mountains. Long way to the other side of the rockies from NE Texas back in the 70's. Pulling custom built trailers full of old flat fender Willie's jeeps that were bunk, and cook shacks top. Thus where I learned to walk shots up the opposite mountains to kill mule deer, both as the shooter, and spotter. Long before I even was old enough to get my driver's license, and that's a totally different world compared to pine trees so thick you can't see the forest for the trees type of environment I grew up hunting until I was grown, and going my own direction hunting. 300 mag decent gun, if you like, but I learned on Springfield and my cousin had ole rifle you might of heard of that had the sights you're fond off. Garrard but we pronounce it as Grand, and it had everything the US Army spec it to have when it left the factory. I learned to knock tee post over with it sitting on my left knee for support, because I wasn't physically big enough to support the barrel length with my arm. Yes Sir with the flip up roll up the elevation or down to aquire the target. But I always liked my thumb, and reached out an rubbed the bead 5 feet to the end of the barrel. With match loads straight out of the grease cleaned, and prepped put into original ammo belts from that Era as well. I understand the trajectory and how to compensate for the different loads and weight of different ballistic tips. From armor piercing to bull nosed slugs, and how to hold something that's way bigger, and more powerful than a kid should be shooting. I can't say I haven't had a scope ring kiss my forehead, but I can say I never required stitches from it doing so. If someone would let me behind the butt end of anything that slung lead great distances I'd take em up on it. I have no need for Needmoore, then you do, but then the 264, and the 260 are different creatures compared to that. When I was shooting I didn't have the hytec barrel twist nor the availability of the selection of grades in precise granules of powders, nor the different types of projectiles of varying weights and shapes. We're probably both close to one another in age. Only you continued in your quest to further profect yourself and your equipment in the hobby we both greatly appreciate and care about. Life took me down a completely different path than I ever imagined it would go. I do know that the caliber of which I speak, and put to use feeding two huge boys that make me at 6'1" look small, and I by no means am considered small by most people. Never failed me, if one didn't hold true to the point of impact I wanted, then it wasn't ever mechanical issues, it was strictly human error. Which I don't like to admit to, but one must swallow one's pride if he's to be a honest man. I loved the fact that I could basically hold true, and not have to lop shells in like a howitzer walking across the far terrain with a spotter directing fire, as walking 06's up the opposite mountainsides as in Colorado in the cold thin air. Where anything over 200 yards didn't lose velocity in the arch of trajectory only to pick it up on the longer downward decent to the target. Are a mass large enough that the cross breeze moves it completely off the paper. Don't take me wrong there's nothing like that feeling one gets when you take something that was used by men long gone over a century are even two, and you peg the nail home multiple times or just once. I whole heartily agree with you, but to take 1950's technology, completely against the applied science if ballistics specifically blended powders each round measurements and weights almost down to the nono weight differences is taking it to the extreme compared to off the shelf hunting grade ammunition of the period is totally different aspect. I admire and respect what you are capable of doing with the tools of choice, and if I were in a position to do that your doing, I probably would be too, but I'd still be true to the caliber that I feel got short changed because of the other caliber that was released roughly same time. I also don't always agree in bigger is better My nephew former airborne with far better training than I can even imagine, swears by slugs big as my thumbs, and subsonic ballistics. Again howitzer instantly pops into my minds eye, and being 12 years old walking 06's up behind a mule deer climbing the opposite mountainside at full run up a grade I had to go down tree to tree to get to him. Then later in life being roughly in the same place doing the same thing only taking two shoots to take same animal That's what I am talking about. That and kid laying on his back with cheap savage 22 lr open sights brick of federal plinkers poppin buzzards who knows how high they're circling above. Hearing the report back, and couple wing flaps otherwise no indication of anything disturbing the glide path. Strange to think back upon things from long long past life experiences, to taking pictures of something I used to actively stalk in order to supplement food sources for the family of growing nonstop eating organism that call you Pops. No longer have the last half of my right index finger, so I'm afraid I come up a little short on ability to correctly follow through with the acceptable method of releasing the Kracken to do their dirty seeds. Hell of a way to say it, but in essence it's true, don't you agree. I believe I will watch some more of this ole fella out in the desert knocking over pie pans from multiples of 1320, and almost far enough to be beyond the edge of the flat planet called Earth by the old world sailors. Imagine living in that time frame and smooth bore weapons with smoldering wicks in your face followed by a unknown delay, then suddenly after holding on target for several seconds. Then tremendous crack, immediately followed by a large vicious explosion of Sparks and smoke as your shoulder is smashed to the point all the blood in the tissue between the brass butt plate and bone in the shoulder joint leaving you with a numb arm after each additional shot. To make it worse, due to no fault of your own, the projectile missed it's marl. Sir, you have a Great Day, and may Tomorrow be even Better than today. Smaller faster straighter equals the impact is 1.2 seconds sooner at the shorter distance traveled due to not nearly as much elevation to achieve the same end results is it really even debatable honestly. Enquiring mind's have to know, so there's you're new quest in ballistics scientific research for the never ending quest to find out if bigger really is better or not!?!
Nice gun! More efficient for me to shoot a left handed rifle right handed ,less hassle to keep trigger hand on rifle while the left hand works the bolt and does mag change scope doping
Interesting. Did you know Lee Harvey Oswald was left handed? Thats why he could work the right handed bolt so efficiently. My life long hunting and shooting buddy is left handed. All his bolt guns are right handed . He does not have any latency issues.
NDR
Making it look easy!
Great day in the desert!
Where are you in Nevada? I've lived in Las Vegas 50 years, have been shooting for 40, and do all my shooting in the desert. I have to drive a little farther today to get to a good spot but it still beats going to a public range. I'm just looking for a general part of the state, not a specific spot.
Im in the north west part
Did you ever chrono these loads? Maybe I missed it. I'm curious what velocity you were getting
At the time I was launching the 135gr Berger Bullet at 2950fps. I have since reworked the load with another powder and they are leaving at just over 3000fps.
NDR
@@nevadadesertrat267 thanks for the reply, that's impressive!
Good shooting. Looks like a ton of fun. 👍 Have you ever watched the MarkandSam Afterwork channel? They are Aussies who do a lot of long range shooting. I've learned quite a bit from watching Mark's videos where he explains a variety of things. Also, they've pretty much perfected filming the shooting too.
I believe I know who you are talking about. This is as far as I can go at the current spot I shoot at. I may have found a spot where I will be able to get out farther this fall.
I'm in the process of a similar 25.06 build... How much do you think this cartridge would benefit being Ackley'd?
That is not a question I can answer. I dont know what you are doing and where you are going. I do know this the faster you can launch a round the flatter it fly's and the less time mother nature has to effect its path. The ballistics calculator I use is www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
Or you can can use a ballistics calculator of your choice. The ballistics calculators will help you decide what to do but be honest with what you want.
Take the 6.5 creedmore it is nothing more than a 260 remington with a 1-8 twist. The faster twist allows more bullets to come back through the sound barrier at long range. But if you will never shoot beyond 200 yards why pay the 6.5 creedmore premium?
Since you are talking about a Ackley Round that means you are a reloader. Unless you already have the dies and brass for the Ackley right now the gun or barrel is easier to get than the brass and dies. And in my case I wanted to built a 6.5-06 instead of the 25-06 but there was no brass anywhere for either the 6.5-06 or 25-06 But since I was already shooting a 25-06 I had the brass and dies. And thankfully Berger has 2 bullets that work great with my new gun and 1-8 twist. The 135 grain bullet in this video I have taken out to 2200 yards so far I have 2 videos in the can as they say that I will be publishing in the next few months one over 2000 yards and a 2200 yard video.
Think about what you want to do and your goals. Then consider availability of components or loaded cartridges. Like it or not these are the times we live in.
Last but not least what ever you decide enjoy your choice, Have fun. I have never met a shootn iron that was not fun to shoot. And if you look on my channel I have a 2200 yard video with pistol chambered in 300 Blackout at 2200 Yards for me that means nothing but fun.
Enjoy your build and take it where people dont think it belongs.That is a desert rats credo.
NDR
You ever do any hunting? When I first moved to NV years ago I remember thinking that a 17" barreled .308 wasn't going to be the best thing to hit 'em at desert ranges. As for 1 mile shooting, well I'd be ecstatic to get within 20' of the target!
If that is all you have people hunt with less. If thats all I had I would go with a 150gr bullet Get a range finder practice out to the distances you will hunt. Your rifle is a very minor handicap.
NDR
@@nevadadesertrat267 Thanks, appreciate the words of wisdom. An accurate rangefinder would be a game changer. The farthest I've shot in civilian life is ~250 yards.
Are you using magnum primers?
No. I an using match primers. And the load data came from Berger.
NDR
Did you order that barrel??? Thanks for your time
Yes I ordered the barrel. I also built the rifle. It was my second build. I couple years earlier I built the 30-06 that is in some of my videos. The 30-06 I used a Savage Axis action and this rifle I used a Savage 110 action. The 25-06 here cost me about $1200 to build before optics since I already had the barrel nut wrench, Action Vice, and Torque Wrench from the 06 build.
NDR
My .22 lr can shoot a mile and a half, that being said I’d be lucky to hit the earth.
I didn't want to subscribe to this channel because I'm grumpy. But after watching your videos I came to the conclusion that you're awesome man. So I subscribed anyway. But I still don't have to like it. 😤 🤣🤣🤣
Good mornin to you Sir, I hope that your day starts out Great for you, and maintains that the whole day through.
You know technology is a wonderful thing most times, but it can be a royal pain in the ass all to often.
Such as this morning, believe this or not, but I was almost completely finished with composing this short novel to yourself.
let me warn you prior to any response you may reply with.
I am on the long winded side with my comments.!
Let me clean that up because if I don't it would be next to best thing to me outright telling you a lie, and I do my best to avoid that if at all possible.
I warn you ahead of time that I'm what some call long winded, in that I can get a bit excessive with the extent of my comments.
That at times I'll agree read more like novels, and no Sir I don't intentionally set out with that as my goal.
I caught notice of you, because of your title to do with Tom's visit to the lands down under.
I was doubtful as to the accuracy of that particular shot, because we all take it for granted that it'd be rather obvious that the special effects Nerd's.
You have couple of my favorites I noticed immediately.
Sharpes, even though a retomod at that, and not that takes any of the WOW, cool factor away from it.
I only wish I was still in a position to afford such beautiful weapons.
Another being the infamous Springfield of 1903, along with the technology if the days gone by.
It's still a virgin from what I was able to see, meaning that some wanna be badass legend in his own mind gun smith..
Factory stock specked military grade black walnut, original barrel still sporting the front sight firmly attached.
The dreaded straight bolt with it's bad habit of becoming entangled in everything it got close to, and down right uncomfortable to use in my thinking.
A good many very different verity of calibers too.
Majority of which aren't especially noted for they're abilities to reach out and touch someone from any great distances.
Except with someone who has the capability to take the average so so weapon with a load that isn't exactly suited for the task at hand.
You've one or two specifically built for exactly what you're doing with it too.
Only I noticed that you have a fondness for the older calibers more so than the newer ones.
Only there's couple I would have thought that you would have mixed in towards middle of the calibers I've seen in your collection.
Namely the 270 caliber, or the swift stinger both capable of very fast and flat.
The one that I really use to enjoy more than any other was a Win Mag from the late 40's or 50's I believe, but never really got the justice it rightly deserved honestly in my lowly opinion.
Basically it's around today but not by the original caliber, because I understand that the 6.5 Creedmoor is almost identical to it.
Not being familiar with the metric method of measurement I can't honestly be absolutely positive about this.
What I can tell you is that it was far more capable than many that have since replaced it.
Middle to late 80's Ruger picked it back up, and used it in the model 77 I believe that is what I read somewhere.
My knowledge of its abilities comes from years of using it for hunting in various regions of Texas.
Plus I always had the ability to hit pretty much everything I put in the cross hairs, or iron sights either one.
Sad part of it was back then, there wasn't a variety of premium powders, are projectiles to choose from.
That and I didn't have the means to afford the proper equipment to teach myself to reload my own.
So it was either hunt and search around Dallas Ft Worth area for factory nosler loads at 140 grain.
Until a friend of a friend would reload my brass for me, and he supplied the lead primers, powder, and equipment to make them for me.
Never had any problems out of his loads, except I didn't think he loaded them to factory specs.
As I tended to fall short on average compared to outta box.
Maybe you have heard of Remingtons version, that was back at the beginning of the 700 BDL series, and I believe that there was something that came before it but wasn't nearly as nice as far as wood grade used, and I don't believe it was made with ss barrel either, or maybe it was shorter barrel something like that.
I unfortunately never could afford the optimal scope for it either.
The mid grade cheap one I had, was vary capable of good distance, but not great distance due to the glass wasn't that great, and unless you had the sun where you wanted it, it could cause a glare to be rather bothersome.
Five to six hundred yards easily enough, and made some I know we're further, but that was a old fixed 4 power scope with small optics.
On several occasions I hunted with my dad, and his buddies on the western side of the rockies.
Where it never failed that the only mule deer that I was able to get in the hairs was on the next mountain over, and always on the shady side with sun bouncing off the snow scattered around me.
I've since gave it to one of my nephews, but been seriously considering asking him to return it at least until I've gone.
Mainly because he says he can't afford to shoot it due to the cost of buying factory loads.
There's anything I hate worse than disrespectful people, is straight up stupid people, and lastly letting good equipment lay around going to waste, are worse in a place that the elements can get to something made of iron or steel.
Sorry for my composing another novel for some innocent person to read.
Oh yes, 1903, my dad had one, that was a fine shooter, but had been owned by one of those people I mentioned earlier.
She was a sweet heart, but with Remington 150 grain bullets, if you were anything beyond 150 yards.
You ended up dam near pointing it at the moon at midnight on full moon trying to shout the old cow jumping over it.
That's exactly what it felt like to me, and we'd gone together and got him gold ring 10X with Burris rings, and he'd machined the receiver himself as he was excellent machinist for Texas Insterments proto type fab shop for engineering department of development.
Well hopefully I haven't bored you to death, are created a enemy for life due to my uncontrollable bad habit of rewriting gone with the wind
]PS
The caliber that I was referring to is the Winchester 264 Mag, the 700bdl that I had was from 1965 or 6 serial numbers are bit confusing around that time I believe Remington was changing System of how they numbered their wespons if I remember correctly, but there was something different about it that slips my mind at the moment
Always good to here from someone that appreciates hunting and Shooting and knows some history. First I have never met a gun or cartridge that was not fun to shoot. your 300 win mag I hear the bull about how the 6.5 creedmore or as I like to say needsmore matched the 300 win mag in military trials. I dont believe it the 6.5 needsmore cant keep up with the 300wm it cant touch my 30-06 and sure cant keep up with my 25-06. It is a modern cartridge with small case capacity that was setup correctly (SAAMI Specs) with a fast twist to utilize modern low drag bullets. Both my 30-06 and 25-06 I built myself both cost a similar price as a 6.5needsmore off the shelf. And that is the thing both the 25 and 30-06 might be old but with a 1-8 twist barrel it can take advantage of the modern low drag bullets as well as modern powders. As far as the 300wm because of the distances they needed to shoot in the desert the military rebarred the 308 sniper rifles with 300wm barrels. So the 300wm is still in use today by the military.
One of the things you touched on is shooting peep sights and affordable scopes the scope that went through the hell of being broken in the desert with me is a $100 BSA scope I used it to make my 1000yd freehand video. It took a beating and still works great. I think I mention that in the video.
What cracks me up is how people need all this hi-tech shooting gear and I am just as guilty. But I cut my teeth on a peep sight and open sights. And it is fun and a challenge to really go for it with peep and open sights. Give me any good quality hitech modern gun a box of ammo and most the time I can get it on the 1000yd target in less than 10 rounds and that includes the sighting in portion. Thats why I really enjoyed making the videos with my Sharps and the 1903 and hopefully I am not through with it yet. Its not just looking through the scope hold steady and go easy on the trigger.
I will leave you with this story you should appreciate because you commented on being able to hit what you aimed at. Back in the 80s and 90s I used to shoot at a public range with a tin can range. There was a line 40yds out and the hill was 45yds. You could only shoot at cans between the line and hill. Whenever I got out my CVA 45cal muzzle loading rifle stoked it with the black powder of choice. The tin cans would go flying all over the place. A lot of the guys would always come up and ask to shoot it. You might say in my hands it attracted attention. Most guys could not hit anything with it but enjoyed the opportunity to shoot it. On occasion when a real shooter would get behind it and the tin can would go for a ride. I could see in there eyes how good it made them feel to be able to hit targets with such old technology. To quote Mathew Quigley at the end of the movie " I said I never had a use for that shooter I never said I didnt know how to use it"
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@@nevadadesertrat267 And Mr. Q said it correctly.
The reason for the cheap scope was if there's no provisions for iron sights, then one adapts to the situation at hand.
The cheap scope mentioned is still in place to my knowledge.
I am not one to change something that still functions.
Resolved the glare issues by attaching different eye cup, and my dad made a slip on hood is best way I can describe it to keep anything but straight in your face glare down to minimum.
Firm believer in the Springfield 120%, even with the antiquated barrel .
The scope was his Christmas present the year before he passed, and because he always spoke of one day putting one on in the setup mentioned.
I also finished the walnut Monte Carlo stock that was nude except for his brother who refurbished old Chris Craft, and Larson wooden boats, as well as a custom furniture builder gave him some wax he'd made himself to protect the wood until it was done correctly.
Which btw neither one ever seem to have time to do their own projects for working on someone else's.
Anyway he showed me how to heat the wood slowly and burnish the wax into the grain to stay to a semi gloss level of shine merely by using a cloth diaper and friction of your hands to bring it up.
We, my uncle and I even plugged the old holes left by whomever removed the iron sights originally and butchered the conversion from straight bolt lever to curved.
Welds looked as if a blind chicken had done it.
Anyway reblued the barrel and cleaned up the bolt with die grinder, and my uncle floated the stock to conform better to the barrel.
My dad paid 150 dollars for the Springfield as it was, "very rough", and a old model Winchester 30-30 saddle rifle with scabbard in great condition, and 3 boxes of shells.
That had to have been in the mid 60's from looking at old pictures of him from before I was allowed to take off school to go to Colorado for a week hunting in the mountains.
Long way to the other side of the rockies from NE Texas back in the 70's.
Pulling custom built trailers full of old flat fender Willie's jeeps that were bunk, and cook shacks top.
Thus where I learned to walk shots up the opposite mountains to kill mule deer, both as the shooter, and spotter.
Long before I even was old enough to get my driver's license, and that's a totally different world compared to pine trees so thick you can't see the forest for the trees type of environment I grew up hunting until I was grown, and going my own direction hunting.
300 mag decent gun, if you like, but I learned on Springfield and my cousin had ole rifle you might of heard of that had the sights you're fond off.
Garrard but we pronounce it as Grand, and it had everything the US Army spec it to have when it left the factory.
I learned to knock tee post over with it sitting on my left knee for support, because I wasn't physically big enough to support the barrel length with my arm.
Yes Sir with the flip up roll up the elevation or down to aquire the target.
But I always liked my thumb, and reached out an rubbed the bead 5 feet to the end of the barrel.
With match loads straight out of the grease cleaned, and prepped put into original ammo belts from that Era as well.
I understand the trajectory and how to compensate for the different loads and weight of different ballistic tips.
From armor piercing to bull nosed slugs, and how to hold something that's way bigger, and more powerful than a kid should be shooting.
I can't say I haven't had a scope ring kiss my forehead, but I can say I never required stitches from it doing so.
If someone would let me behind the butt end of anything that slung lead great distances I'd take em up on it.
I have no need for Needmoore, then you do, but then the 264, and the 260 are different creatures compared to that.
When I was shooting I didn't have the hytec barrel twist nor the availability of the selection of grades in precise granules of powders, nor the different types of projectiles of varying weights and shapes.
We're probably both close to one another in age.
Only you continued in your quest to further profect yourself and your equipment in the hobby we both greatly appreciate and care about.
Life took me down a completely different path than I ever imagined it would go.
I do know that the caliber of which I speak, and put to use feeding two huge boys that make me at 6'1" look small, and I by no means am considered small by most people.
Never failed me, if one didn't hold true to the point of impact I wanted, then it wasn't ever mechanical issues, it was strictly human error.
Which I don't like to admit to, but one must swallow one's pride if he's to be a honest man.
I loved the fact that I could basically hold true, and not have to lop shells in like a howitzer walking across the far terrain with a spotter directing fire, as walking 06's up the opposite mountainsides as in Colorado in the cold thin air.
Where anything over 200 yards didn't lose velocity in the arch of trajectory only to pick it up on the longer downward decent to the target.
Are a mass large enough that the cross breeze moves it completely off the paper.
Don't take me wrong there's nothing like that feeling one gets when you take something that was used by men long gone over a century are even two, and you peg the nail home multiple times or just once.
I whole heartily agree with you, but to take 1950's technology, completely against the applied science if ballistics specifically blended powders each round measurements and weights almost down to the nono weight differences is taking it to the extreme compared to off the shelf hunting grade ammunition of the period is totally different aspect.
I admire and respect what you are capable of doing with the tools of choice, and if I were in a position to do that your doing, I probably would be too, but I'd still be true to the caliber that I feel got short changed because of the other caliber that was released roughly same time.
I also don't always agree in bigger is better
My nephew former airborne with far better training than I can even imagine, swears by slugs big as my thumbs, and subsonic ballistics.
Again howitzer instantly pops into my minds eye, and being 12 years old walking 06's up behind a mule deer climbing the opposite mountainside at full run up a grade I had to go down tree to tree to get to him.
Then later in life being roughly in the same place doing the same thing only taking two shoots to take same animal
That's what I am talking about.
That and kid laying on his back with cheap savage 22 lr open sights brick of federal plinkers poppin buzzards who knows how high they're circling above.
Hearing the report back, and couple wing flaps otherwise no indication of anything disturbing the glide path.
Strange to think back upon things from long long past life experiences, to taking pictures of something I used to actively stalk in order to supplement food sources for the family of growing nonstop eating organism that call you Pops.
No longer have the last half of my right index finger, so I'm afraid I come up a little short on ability to correctly follow through with the acceptable method of releasing the Kracken to do their dirty seeds.
Hell of a way to say it, but in essence it's true, don't you agree.
I believe I will watch some more of this ole fella out in the desert knocking over pie pans from multiples of 1320, and almost far enough to be beyond the edge of the flat planet called Earth by the old world sailors.
Imagine living in that time frame and smooth bore weapons with smoldering wicks in your face followed by a unknown delay, then suddenly after holding on target for several seconds.
Then tremendous crack, immediately followed by a large vicious explosion of Sparks and smoke as your shoulder is smashed to the point all the blood in the tissue between the brass butt plate and bone in the shoulder joint leaving you with a numb arm after each additional shot.
To make it worse, due to no fault of your own, the projectile missed it's marl.
Sir, you have a Great Day, and may Tomorrow be even Better than today.
Smaller faster straighter equals the impact is 1.2 seconds sooner at the shorter distance traveled due to not nearly as much elevation to achieve the same end results is it really even debatable honestly.
Enquiring mind's have to know, so there's you're new quest in ballistics scientific research for the never ending quest to find out if bigger really is better or not!?!