Hey All! I found out that Greg did an "Into The Lair" episode with Dave Pensado that talks in detail about their drum recording approach. It is a great way to get more detail on how the drums were originally captured. Check it out! th-cam.com/video/wxxepqIwpB0/w-d-xo.html
One of the brilliant things for me about this particular "Making Records..." is the concept "this is a great drum recording, that's how drums sound, but this is what I did to get them to the final mix". I don't think this should go un-appreciated. I've been worrying for years, "my drum recordings are fine into the box, but I feel like there's a lot of work to be done to get them 'finished'. What am I doing wrong?". I also find myself thinking, "are my clients thinking, 'this guy doesn't know how to record drums properly and has to "fix" them with plugins'. This video has really helped adjust my perspective in a very positive way, so thanks for making it available, Eric!
@@DUwins Great advice but with a leviathan of a problem lurking beneath it. And its why I'm still a journeyman producer/mixer after... 20 years. Yeah, you can do what you want to make it sound the way you want, but you can do things to individual elements, tracks, whatever, and those changes can cause serious problems elsewhere. You can basically be creating problems for yourself. And later, when Leviathan swallows your ship whole, you may not even know that you created that leviathan as the ships timbers snap around you. Honestly, I'm a little trigger shy by this point. I see pro mixers and their MASSIVE eq boosts and it makes me sweat. I've become so conservative now. Like I'm afraid to touch the audio, like I want to do as little to it as possible. I try to get what I want on the way in, and from there, I do subtle nudging, gently shading. But my stuff is weak now. I don't know. It's easy advice to give, but difficult to put into practice when the complications of doing what you want to hear what you want destroy your ability to make other elements sound like you want them to sound, and destroy your ability to make the totality of everything sound like the totality of what you want it to sound like. That's my hard earned 2 cents.
you have literally just blown my mind into bits and pieces, what a revolution for bedroom warriors trying to get good drum sounds, you really opened up alot of out of the box thinking with this video and I appreciate it....holy cow I cant wait to start tracking and just start trying different stuff like this....ty
I still come back to these videos ALL the time! Something I would seriously pay good money for is a full stream of you mixing a song (or even just drums) live and talking through your decisions. It's already great to see the end result, but seeing the failed experiments involved and listening along to know how far to push things would be amazing. Hope you're well, all the best!
As someone who never worked under anyone at a proper studio and cut my teeth by myself at our project studio, thus causing all sorts of misconceptions and bad habits- not to mention a feeling of being lost..., I can proudly say that this single handedly is one of the greatest helps I've ever had concerning drum mixing. Thank you so much for everything you do, Eric.
Eric, thank you so much for sharing this stuff with us. These are always full of solid GOLD information. I would love for you to do some more of these tech talks sometime if you feel it!
If there's one superhero in the industry I've been wanting to study, who's world I've been dying to peek into, it's Eric Valentine. I just discovered this channel a couple weeks ago, and can't believe it's real. Eric, thank you so much for your contribution to art, and for your willingness to share with your community. I can't say I want to be just like you, but the opportunity to learn from an individual for whom I hold such high esteem is absolutely invaluable.
I've watched this particular episode so many times. I have gotten so much helpful and inspiring stuff from your youtube channel. Thank you so much for doing this.
I went through this videon in detail on a drum recording a friend of mine did for me. Very rewarding! Q: I would love to see a video where you do a "mix rescue" - mixing drums that are not that perfectly recorded for example. I never have the opportunity to record with the best mics, consoles etc so a common mixing situation for me always means trying to get a good sound from a not so good recording. Would love to see how you work in a situation like that Eric. Thank you a million once again for your videos!
This is just unbelievably helpful. I've been working on a drum mix and been stumped as to how to get more life out of the recordings and this has given me so many ideas.
Really Great!!!! I have always liked your mixes very much and I really enjoyed realizing that I think in a similar way when approaching a mix. Thank you for sharing your knowledge so clearly. Really ... thank you very much.
Imagine a real star like Eric sharing his secrets to mixing with all of us. So glad I was one of the first to sub to his channel. One of the most talented person on this planet and so humble. Thank you for doing this for us. Cheers from a big fan. I learn so much from your vids. The name of your channel makes so much sense, its not a mixing channel its how you Make a Record channel.
My Brain just cannot absorb so much at one time. need to watch these videos a number of times to gain all of this amazing knowledge. Eric you're a music production genius
I feel like I need to comment twice... 1. How the ever livin’ hell could ANYONE could dislike this video? 2. This is the best channel I’ve ever seen for what I’ve been wanting to learn! A lot of what I was hoping for was a way to find answers to questions that would save me weeks and weeks of time... like which saturation plug in to use or not use.... or wether or not A/D and D/A would cause degradation in the fidelity.... and many more questions I’d been driving myself crazy with have been answered since finding this channel! Not because it’s the “right” or “wrong” way to do something... but because it’s the “vibe” I’m going for with my kind of production. Thank you, Eric!
I bought the eponymous T-Ride new in the record store a long time ago and I've been a huge fan ever since. There was an article from the early 90s where it was mentioned that the big music producers were upset because you produced T-Ride yourselves, and they said something to the effect of "Who is this Valentine kid, and where did he learn to get sounds like that?!". I actually saw T-Ride live in a small club in Buffalo way back, and spoke to Jeff Tyson after the show. He was really cool chatting about guitars and such. These videos are fantastic for me; I see your scientific deconstruction of sound as being spot-on. Many musicians go on and on about certain gear and sounds, but have no idea what's really happening to make them sound that way. Distortion on drums = genius!!
I took so much from this video. Has some great tips and when applied in my own way has resulted in a killer drum sound in a track I'm mixing! Big thanks Eric!
Lot of respect for how meticulous Eric will go with automation/gating/phase-shifting to achieve what he needs from a human performance. I think many others might be quick to simply mute a track or 3 (perhaps deeming some unusable due to bleed) and then reach for some faux-hawk samples. I believe this is why EV continues to shine above the rest and create organic yet 'modern' sounding mixes. I'm particularly inspired by his use of saturation - works nicely on these mid tempo tunes where there is space for embellished tails.
I'm so glad I found your channel, thanks for all of your time to teach us these things and making us understand the process properly. Could you also a hip hop one as well?
i love you mannnnn...just discovered you after watching your interview with warren. that you would take the time to pass on the knowledge you've accrued says alot about you. may god bless you fa dat i know i do. THANK YOU. the best to you and you're family. happy new year from Kansas.
Years later, I am getting really into natural drums sounds, and I am trying to use the dry kit as a reference for the drums im recording,, it is so freaking good dude!, and your mix on it just mad it so explosive, just incredible!
This is AWESOME, Eric! SO cool, this channel is a gift to the world :). Literally watching with a notepad, haha. Can I ask a question, if it's not too much to ask: are you doing the same Snare-multing thing (especially the low one) and the room-gating on the Death From Above record? I'm completely baffled as to where that UNGODLY low end on Freeze Me comes from, and how Statues is SO roomy yet so direct/close-feeling. Thanks for the music, Eric! Cheers!
Eric, thanks so much for doing these videos, they’re truly a great resource. I absolutely love Grace Potter’s album Midnight, especially the song Delirious. In fact, I use it as a reference track because I think everything just sits in its own spot perfectly in the mix. So for selfish reasons, if you’re thinking of doing another deep dive into a mix, I would love to see Delirious off of Midnight by Grace Potter. Again, thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge of audio and mixing.
Dang, automating the kick out gate sounds like such a time consumer when you can just use a gate with side chain functionality and use the in mic as the key for the out gate.
Except the kick in Mic will have a lot of snare information, and could wind up triggering the kick out at the wrong time, thereby ruining the mix. I'm with Eric, the only way to be sure is get in there and treat it in detail. And seriously, it's not that much work at all.
John Cougar It has not personally been my experience that the kick in has lots of snare info. Then again I’m usually using a beta 91 which is not the typical cardioid 421 inside or something.
@@snapascrew YMMV, of course. I've known guys to go as far as turning down individual S's using automation to avoid sibilance in vocal performances in preference to using desser plugins (because they sound shite). My point is, this amount of detail automation is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Give it a go!
5:41 kick
22:40 snare
28:07 toms
31:35 overheads
33:40 hi hat
:)
THANK YOU
damnthatstite thank you! I watched the whole thing but wanted to go back and review certain sections. This helps!
Legend
👏👏👏
Thanks!
Hey All! I found out that Greg did an "Into The Lair" episode with Dave Pensado that talks in detail about their drum recording approach. It is a great way to get more detail on how the drums were originally captured. Check it out! th-cam.com/video/wxxepqIwpB0/w-d-xo.html
Your welcome! ;-)
I absolutely can't believe these are free. This was fantastic and I'm so excited to watch the others. Cheers!
Welcome to youtube bro
One of the brilliant things for me about this particular "Making Records..." is the concept "this is a great drum recording, that's how drums sound, but this is what I did to get them to the final mix". I don't think this should go un-appreciated. I've been worrying for years, "my drum recordings are fine into the box, but I feel like there's a lot of work to be done to get them 'finished'. What am I doing wrong?". I also find myself thinking, "are my clients thinking, 'this guy doesn't know how to record drums properly and has to "fix" them with plugins'.
This video has really helped adjust my perspective in a very positive way, so thanks for making it available, Eric!
@@DUwins Great advice but with a leviathan of a problem lurking beneath it. And its why I'm still a journeyman producer/mixer after... 20 years. Yeah, you can do what you want to make it sound the way you want, but you can do things to individual elements, tracks, whatever, and those changes can cause serious problems elsewhere. You can basically be creating problems for yourself. And later, when Leviathan swallows your ship whole, you may not even know that you created that leviathan as the ships timbers snap around you.
Honestly, I'm a little trigger shy by this point. I see pro mixers and their MASSIVE eq boosts and it makes me sweat. I've become so conservative now. Like I'm afraid to touch the audio, like I want to do as little to it as possible. I try to get what I want on the way in, and from there, I do subtle nudging, gently shading. But my stuff is weak now.
I don't know. It's easy advice to give, but difficult to put into practice when the complications of doing what you want to hear what you want destroy your ability to make other elements sound like you want them to sound, and destroy your ability to make the totality of everything sound like the totality of what you want it to sound like.
That's my hard earned 2 cents.
6:26 - Kick is from “ Ice Cube - You Know How We Do It “ it’s easy to sample too :)
Thanks a lot man!
anyone have this uploaded?
@TENN davidsubban@hotmail.com if you can sirr
you have literally just blown my mind into bits and pieces, what a revolution for bedroom warriors trying to get good drum sounds, you really opened up alot of out of the box thinking with this video and I appreciate it....holy cow I cant wait to start tracking and just start trying different stuff like this....ty
So happy to have found this channel, huge fan Eric. Will be watching all of these vids.
Eric is an audio god and this is an incredible gift he’s giving the audio world. Very grateful.
I still come back to these videos ALL the time!
Something I would seriously pay good money for is a full stream of you mixing a song (or even just drums) live and talking through your decisions. It's already great to see the end result, but seeing the failed experiments involved and listening along to know how far to push things would be amazing.
Hope you're well, all the best!
As someone who never worked under anyone at a proper studio and cut my teeth by myself at our project studio, thus causing all sorts of misconceptions and bad habits- not to mention a feeling of being lost..., I can proudly say that this single handedly is one of the greatest helps I've ever had concerning drum mixing. Thank you so much for everything you do, Eric.
*clears throat*
"Phil Collins record"
That made me laugh.
Killer drum sound. Thanks for doing these Eric. Seriously informative. You're a mensch
Eric, thank you so much for sharing this stuff with us. These are always full of solid GOLD information. I would love for you to do some more of these tech talks sometime if you feel it!
Can’t thank you enough for making these videos Eric! Taking a peak into your process is so incredible
If there's one superhero in the industry I've been wanting to study, who's world I've been dying to peek into, it's Eric Valentine. I just discovered this channel a couple weeks ago, and can't believe it's real. Eric, thank you so much for your contribution to art, and for your willingness to share with your community. I can't say I want to be just like you, but the opportunity to learn from an individual for whom I hold such high esteem is absolutely invaluable.
Eric, I come back to this often. Very inspiring and so generous of you to share.
I've watched this particular episode so many times. I have gotten so much helpful and inspiring stuff from your youtube channel. Thank you so much for doing this.
these videos are absolutely epic. Thank you for sharing your thought process and mindset while working. Love learning new tricks!
Damn Eric, now that I've watched your tutorials I'm gonna have to make the best sounding rock album ever.
Thank you Eric for making these videos, totally inspiring and so very informative.
I went through this videon in detail on a drum recording a friend of mine did for me. Very rewarding!
Q: I would love to see a video where you do a "mix rescue" - mixing drums that are not that perfectly recorded for example. I never have the opportunity to record with the best mics, consoles etc so a common mixing situation for me always means trying to get a good sound from a not so good recording. Would love to see how you work in a situation like that Eric. Thank you a million once again for your videos!
that kick gate key is a great tip. thanks for that, would have never thought of that. genius
I watched the first 30 seconds of this Video and had to subscribe.. I am a big fan of yours, thanks for doing this!
So many really good ideas that I will start using immediately. Thank you so much Eric!
The most informative mixing video I've ever seen. I can't believe it's free.
Love this series! Would love to see something TBS's "Louder Now" album. Such cool sounds on that whole thing.
THANK YOU FOR THESE VIDEOS! So many gold nuggets of wisdom. I feel richer and empowered!
Thank you very much for sharing these pearls of technique Eric. Very much appreciated
This walkthrough was informative and inspirational, thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to share this type of insight! Simply amazing!
Pure GOLD! Thank you for sharing this, always liked how the drums sounded in your recordings
One of the best mixing videos out there!!!
Thanks Erick, you inspire us!
Love it!!
This is just unbelievably helpful. I've been working on a drum mix and been stumped as to how to get more life out of the recordings and this has given me so many ideas.
That was incredible 🙌 squeez’n the juice! Mind blowing techniques to achieve such a rich, thumpy mix. Loved that so much. Thank you
Really Great!!!! I have always liked your mixes very much and I really enjoyed realizing that I think in a similar way when approaching a mix. Thank you for sharing your knowledge so clearly.
Really ... thank you very much.
HUGE. Can't believe I just found this channel.. Thank you, Eric!!
The eq moves are mind-blowing.
Thank you for your time. Loved your techniques.
Imagine a real star like Eric sharing his secrets to mixing with all of us. So glad I was one of the first to sub to his channel. One of the most talented person on this planet and so humble. Thank you for doing this for us. Cheers from a big fan. I learn so much from your vids. The name of your channel makes so much sense, its not a mixing channel its how you Make a Record channel.
Nolly brought me here
no wonder he's amazing, he learned a lot from other amazing guys like Eric
It's true what they say: "Eric Valentine is your favourite producer's favourite producer"
100% haha
Same 👍🏻😉
It was a privilege to see a great engineer and musician do his thing. Thanks so much Eric.
Best drum mixing tutorial on the internet, hands down!
Thank you for doing this Eric! I went to AES NY once and heard your presentation and was very impressed by it!
My Brain just cannot absorb so much at one time. need to watch these videos a number of times to gain all of this amazing knowledge. Eric you're a music production genius
I feel like I need to comment twice...
1. How the ever livin’ hell could ANYONE could dislike this video?
2. This is the best channel I’ve ever seen for what I’ve been wanting to learn! A lot of what I was hoping for was a way to find answers to questions that would save me weeks and weeks of time... like which saturation plug in to use or not use.... or wether or not A/D and D/A would cause degradation in the fidelity.... and many more questions I’d been driving myself crazy with have been answered since finding this channel!
Not because it’s the “right” or “wrong” way to do something... but because it’s the “vibe” I’m going for with my kind of production.
Thank you, Eric!
I bought the eponymous T-Ride new in the record store a long time ago and I've been a huge fan ever since. There was an article from the early 90s where it was mentioned that the big music producers were upset because you produced T-Ride yourselves, and they said something to the effect of "Who is this Valentine kid, and where did he learn to get sounds like that?!". I actually saw T-Ride live in a small club in Buffalo way back, and spoke to Jeff Tyson after the show. He was really cool chatting about guitars and such.
These videos are fantastic for me; I see your scientific deconstruction of sound as being spot-on. Many musicians go on and on about certain gear and sounds, but have no idea what's really happening to make them sound that way. Distortion on drums = genius!!
I took so much from this video. Has some great tips and when applied in my own way has resulted in a killer drum sound in a track I'm mixing! Big thanks Eric!
Best video for drum mixing, and I’ve seen em all!
Amazing as usual, you are a treasure.
This guy seems do be so friendly and good-hearted, I feel peaceful after watching this
Lot of respect for how meticulous Eric will go with automation/gating/phase-shifting to achieve what he needs from a human performance. I think many others might be quick to simply mute a track or 3 (perhaps deeming some unusable due to bleed) and then reach for some faux-hawk samples. I believe this is why EV continues to shine above the rest and create organic yet 'modern' sounding mixes. I'm particularly inspired by his use of saturation - works nicely on these mid tempo tunes where there is space for embellished tails.
I'm so glad I found your channel, thanks for all of your time to teach us these things and making us understand the process properly. Could you also a hip hop one as well?
thank you so much Eric. Keep up the good work, incredibly helpful!
i love you mannnnn...just discovered you after watching your interview with warren. that you would take the time to pass on the knowledge you've accrued says alot about you. may god bless you fa dat i know i do. THANK YOU. the best to you and you're family. happy new year from Kansas.
What an awesome step by step. Thanks for this. Really great tips in here.
I was kind of afraid to ''over''use Saturn. This video gave me more confidence. Thanks!
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Eric, you are an animal dude! This is such an amazing resource. Thank you so much!
Learning a ton of new techniques! Thanks for sharing your process!
Thanks for the series Eric, i've learned a lot from this I can use on an upcoming project.
Years later, I am getting really into natural drums sounds, and I am trying to use the dry kit as a reference for the drums im recording,, it is so freaking good dude!, and your mix on it just mad it so explosive, just incredible!
Fantastic!! Killer sound!! 👌 Thank you so much, Eric!! I really appreciate it. You've got a new subscriber. 🙂 All the best!
Thank you Eric! This is absolutely insane...!!
What an awesome video!! Thanks for sharing all these greats tools and tips!
What a great channel. Thanks for sharing the process!!
Thank you Eric! (From Italy )
Great! I never get the drums to sound right, this helps a lot. Thanks!
The FabFilter Saturn trick on toms is next level... holy crap
much simpler than adding like 3 or more plugins to get cannon like toms
Great stuff. Thank you, Eric.
This video is incredible. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
Eric, you're the best, thank you!
big upsss . This channel is a dream come true :-)
Wonderful! You are the man!
Oh man - this was FANTASTIC! Subscribed. Cheers.
this is a workshop! so awesome!
I heard about this video from Mike Dawson on the Modern Drummer podcast. This is incredible! Thank you so much for sharing your process with us!
These videos are amazing! Thanks for sharing your techniques with us =)
Great. Now I gotta go back and gate my room mics. Awesome video.
Getting Down on some drums today...Thanx for this Primer Eric!!
This is so good. Thanks for making this Eric!
Phenomenal sounding mix. Great content!
This is AWESOME, Eric! SO cool, this channel is a gift to the world :). Literally watching with a notepad, haha.
Can I ask a question, if it's not too much to ask: are you doing the same Snare-multing thing (especially the low one) and the room-gating on the Death From Above record? I'm completely baffled as to where that UNGODLY low end on Freeze Me comes from, and how Statues is SO roomy yet so direct/close-feeling. Thanks for the music, Eric! Cheers!
ERIC, YOU DID A GREAT JOB, CONGRATS FOR YEARS OF GREAT WORK!!!!CHEERS, JEROEN SIMONS, INDEPENDENT, EX-EPICA.
Why don, t you make a serie of videos for Pro Mix Academy/Warren Huart?? Just my 2 cents man..
Amazing video Eric. Thank you so much!!!
Thanks man, this was very helpful, I enjoyed listened to those drum tracks :D
Just found this channel. Great stuff! 🔥
Eric, thanks so much for doing these videos, they’re truly a great resource. I absolutely love Grace Potter’s album Midnight, especially the song Delirious. In fact, I use it as a reference track because I think everything just sits in its own spot perfectly in the mix. So for selfish reasons, if you’re thinking of doing another deep dive into a mix, I would love to see Delirious off of Midnight by Grace Potter. Again, thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge of audio and mixing.
Thank you for the great tutorial Eric!
Loving these, keep 'em comingggg
This is unbelievable man, I couldn't subscribe quick enough!
Brilliant! thanks for sharing your talent.
Lovely, thank you for doing this!
Great video! I learned a ton. Thanks so much Eric!
Brilliant! Thanks Eric.
Dang, automating the kick out gate sounds like such a time consumer when you can just use a gate with side chain functionality and use the in mic as the key for the out gate.
Except the kick in Mic will have a lot of snare information, and could wind up triggering the kick out at the wrong time, thereby ruining the mix. I'm with Eric, the only way to be sure is get in there and treat it in detail. And seriously, it's not that much work at all.
John Cougar It has not personally been my experience that the kick in has lots of snare info. Then again I’m usually using a beta 91 which is not the typical cardioid 421 inside or something.
@@snapascrew YMMV, of course. I've known guys to go as far as turning down individual S's using automation to avoid sibilance in vocal performances in preference to using desser plugins (because they sound shite). My point is, this amount of detail automation is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Give it a go!
Thank you for putting these out!
Would be amazing if you could share your starting pre-set for your 'tape' setting in Fabfilter Saturn Eric!
Thank you, so fantastic!
One of my producers is doing TH-cam now. What a time to be alive.
Fuckin' a! What an invaluable walkthrough. Thanks, Eric!
Best intro music to any video. Hands down.
Thanks Eric!
Persephone Bee's Notes from the Underworld mix please..
Amazing thankyou for this!!!🙌🏼