You must make official complaints to the police, the port and the local council. As well as informing the press about these plods making up the law and making threats of arrest illegally.
Typical of an arrogant Plod. No introduction, mis identification, no hat, chewing gum (which his mouth open, like a child). He couldn’t handle real policing so his superiors left him Here. PS. Interesting at the instant aggression. Compare that with “Stop Oil”… where they’re left alone and brought drinks.
The guys he mentioned that check out speeding rules and regulations are doing a public service and if people are being fined for contravening certain rules, then they need to make sure that all the rules are clear and measured distances are accurate . Get those right , and there is no issue they are bang to rights to be fined. Interesting that the police want rules bent in their favour to prosecute without checking themselves that Everything is in order for them to prosecute .
Exactly, there should be signs on the entry to the port and it should be clearly marked, which you’d imagine would be by a fence or gate, like at Portbury and Avonmouth
Well handled interaction. I got the impression the constables - both of which appeared arrogant (especially the one chewing gum) - were ignoring TGA and focused on AY. They were both keen on their tiny patch and certainly seemed loyal to "Peel Ports". They made themselves look a bit clueless on modern day laws but seemed more interested in some Victorian bye-laws. Not a good look for them but audit gold - fantastic work.
great vid, and well done for handling/discussion about port byelaws... coz port is the import/export of goods/things in/out of UK... so will have different "local" byelaw.
It's a bit hard to tell exactly where you were in relation to the Dock Estate boundary line. Bye Law 38 (a) only applies within the Dock''s Estate otherwise that smarmy copper should be told to Foxtrot Oscar!
If it meant to include aerial photos then Google would be in the dock. Since Google have published images of the port on GoogleEarth then it's proof that 38(a) only applies to people actually on site. Though I note that the bylaw doesn't ban the making of notes about what someone sees. 😀😀 www.peelports.com/media/bbchw5oa/lrg9-port-of-liverpool-general-byelaws-2021.pdf
"You're not allowed to fill-um." (between chewing gum). He totally ignores the fact most trucks entering the port have dashcam systems with multiple cameras recording in HD. Peel Ports have no control over this data which will comprehensively record details inside the port. What a joke harassing two individuals outside the port because it's an easy option and he hasn't got anything better to do.
Port police are separate from the rest of the UK police. They have limited powers and are limited to the immediate surroundings of the port only when necessary. At all other times they must hand over to the proper police. Because they aren't proper police and don't have much to do, it tends to get the dregs of the real police. In other words, the only ones who work for the port police are those who have been fired for whatever but not something serious enough that they've been put on the barring list. Port police are way below even the transport police.
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA Being so clue they would have authority to arrest you. But only for crimes affecting the port. And you weren't committing any crime. Not even breaching a bylaw.
Guy was arrested by Polp he said you can’t arrest me you are not real police. He was sentenced to 6 months to be told don’t worry it’s not a real prison. I love scouse humour.
They DO ‘own’ the airspace ( up to a certain height ) , but they do not CONTROL the airspace that they own . In the same way you can OWN a piece of land , but if it is a Right of Way , the owner does not CONTROL access .
The certain height being a reasonable height above people so that the flying thing doesn't interfere with their activities. So on the ground it could be something like 20m up. But if someone is in a cherry picker, then it not 20m above the ground but above the person but probably a little further away than 20m so that it's not distracting them and affecting their safety.
Why is there no signs or boundary line I think these was making this up as they go along. Put in for access request if he is wrong then make a civil claim against him personally.
The officer stands there chewing away like a total ned! shocking, surely that's not part of the police policy. Very threating security guard for the Peel ports, how much do they pay him.
Why assist them after they started reading you your rights , let them learn the laws (it’s their job) and get on with it rather than listening to their copsplaining
He did not deal with the bylaws professionally, he should know exactly what he is enforcing and should be able to state the precise bylaw and in what way you are in contravention of that bylaw. He should not cation anyone without stating the above , very poor knowledge , very unprofessional .
You must make official complaints to the police, the port and the local council. As well as informing the press about these plods making up the law and making threats of arrest illegally.
There's bylaws on their property, didn't you watch the full vid!!!
pc 202 says "I'm not going to caution you for summons if I don't know what I'm talking about" So many officers do why would he be any different
Yes true
Typical of an arrogant Plod. No introduction, mis identification, no hat, chewing gum (which his mouth open, like a child).
He couldn’t handle real policing so his superiors left him
Here.
PS. Interesting at the instant aggression. Compare that with “Stop Oil”… where they’re left alone and brought drinks.
I work for a cleaning contractor on the site. They are trying (unsuccessfully) to get the cleaners to take pictures of their work.
The guys he mentioned that check out speeding rules and regulations are doing a public service and if people are being fined for contravening certain rules, then they need to make sure that all the rules are clear and measured distances are accurate .
Get those right , and there is no issue they are bang to rights to be fined. Interesting that the police want rules bent in their favour to prosecute without checking themselves that
Everything is in order for them to prosecute .
Exactly, there should be signs on the entry to the port and it should be clearly marked, which you’d imagine would be by a fence or gate, like at Portbury and Avonmouth
A point of interest: do these By-laws cove Dash Cams on Trucks and Cars entering the port ?
They began to get on my nerves 😬🤡🤡🤡🤡
Hmmm...a public phone to contact police located on Private Property?
Bit silly isn’t it
Nice to see you guys collaborate
Well handled interaction. I got the impression the constables - both of which appeared arrogant (especially the one chewing gum) - were ignoring TGA and focused on AY. They were both keen on their tiny patch and certainly seemed loyal to "Peel Ports". They made themselves look a bit clueless on modern day laws but seemed more interested in some Victorian bye-laws. Not a good look for them but audit gold - fantastic work.
Nope, they ran off public property like the twats they are. Cowards.
If they don't have your details then how are they going to send you a summons ?
I'm in and out everyday with cameras all over my wagon 🤡
Yeah it’s ridiculous, should’ve brought up Dash Cams
great vid, and well done for handling/discussion about port byelaws... coz port is the import/export of goods/things in/out of UK... so will have different "local" byelaw.
Great video bud love the drone footage
Thanks so much
Mr. Bubblegum ignored you and turned his back, I would consider that enough reason to ignore him also and stop any interaction.
The caution is illegal and the officers threat will cost him.
He has not followed up with the caution.
It's a bit hard to tell exactly where you were in relation to the Dock Estate boundary line. Bye Law 38 (a) only applies within the Dock''s Estate otherwise that smarmy copper should be told to Foxtrot Oscar!
If it meant to include aerial photos then Google would be in the dock. Since Google have published images of the port on GoogleEarth then it's proof that 38(a) only applies to people actually on site. Though I note that the bylaw doesn't ban the making of notes about what someone sees. 😀😀
www.peelports.com/media/bbchw5oa/lrg9-port-of-liverpool-general-byelaws-2021.pdf
Instering video dint know they had so many by laws awsome video
Thanks so much, yes pretty much all ports have byelaws
Chewing gum when addressing the public. That's a policy violation for starters.
Unprofessional officer.
Very unprofessional
"You're not allowed to fill-um." (between chewing gum). He totally ignores the fact most trucks entering the port have dashcam systems with multiple cameras recording in HD. Peel Ports have no control over this data which will comprehensively record details inside the port. What a joke harassing two individuals outside the port because it's an easy option and he hasn't got anything better to do.
Port police are separate from the rest of the UK police. They have limited powers and are limited to the immediate surroundings of the port only when necessary. At all other times they must hand over to the proper police. Because they aren't proper police and don't have much to do, it tends to get the dregs of the real police. In other words, the only ones who work for the port police are those who have been fired for whatever but not something serious enough that they've been put on the barring list. Port police are way below even the transport police.
So, technically they couldn’t have arrested us anyway, they would’ve had to get Merseyside Police for that
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA Merseyside Police would probably just ignore them !
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA Being so clue they would have authority to arrest you. But only for crimes affecting the port. And you weren't committing any crime. Not even breaching a bylaw.
Guy was arrested by Polp he said you can’t arrest me you are not real police. He was sentenced to 6 months to be told don’t worry it’s not a real prison. I love scouse humour.
If there was a geofence around the port then the drone would refuse to fly over.
Isn't that how it works ?
I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
They DO ‘own’ the airspace ( up to a certain height ) , but they do not CONTROL the airspace that they own .
In the same way you can OWN a piece of land , but if it is a Right of Way , the owner does not CONTROL access .
The certain height being a reasonable height above people so that the flying thing doesn't interfere with their activities. So on the ground it could be something like 20m up. But if someone is in a cherry picker, then it not 20m above the ground but above the person but probably a little further away than 20m so that it's not distracting them and affecting their safety.
There was a court case which ruled that a land owner cannot own airspace
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA Bernstein of Leigh v Skyviews & General Ltd [1978] QB 479 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_of_Leigh_v_Skyviews_%26_General_Ltd
He is a tyrant, he had no right to caution you.
Absolutely
you could have said 2+2=4 and they wouldnt have believed you
Completely egotistical
Nice one lads, very well negotiated. Yes please to many more ! Cheers !👍👍👍
Blackbelt barrister has a good vid that explains bylaws vs national laws especially concerning drones
th-cam.com/video/6Qhi6d8dlUw/w-d-xo.html
I’ll have to take a look
Why is there no signs or boundary line I think these was making this up as they go along. Put in for access request if he is wrong then make a civil claim against him personally.
Clearly a bent copper!
Yeah I’d say
Great video lads.. Keep them coming
Thanks so much Dai
why is the phone for the public to to there.
The phone looks very old, it’s an old rotary, so couldn’t changed the boundary since then
Dey dooh dooh dat dare doh don't deh.
The officer stands there chewing away like a total ned! shocking, surely that's not part of the police policy. Very threating security guard for the Peel ports, how much do they pay him.
Should go to Crosby beach and film the docks from there etc , filming from over the Mersey.
Don’t these police look a mess where is there pride in the uniform. One chewing gum . Police at a all time low
The police chewing gum whilst engaging with the public is unprofessional.
Bloody boy scouts!
Haha
Earming the hate! No sign so he is making up the law! Why do we employ these fools!
It’s terrible, but then again it’s one of those things where they are attested under the port company not the crown
Why assist them after they started reading you your rights , let them learn the laws (it’s their job) and get on with it rather than listening to their copsplaining
Because it’s about educating as well, so they learn something
There is a phone for public use, So you have implied access to use that phone, you also have every right to film your interactions with the world.
Owned, left sent off edgicated licking their wounds lol
"What's the fascination with it then he asked" Well most men who film the public do it because they are shady, in a weird way. 😂
what a bag of lead......
Bad copc
Excellent police. Salt of the earth Scouse gentlemen. Patient. Good listeners. No big ego. They are what all police should aspire to be.
He did not deal with the bylaws professionally, he should know exactly what he is enforcing and should be able to state the precise bylaw and in what way you are in contravention of that bylaw. He should not cation anyone without stating the above , very poor knowledge , very unprofessional .
He should’ve correctly stated the port byelaws
Bullys at it tyrants who do they think they are only filming not a crime
Chewing gum so professional! NOT! Back to work full of it CRAP!
Very unprofessional wasn’t it, but not the worst Port Constable I’ve come across