Can A New Car Match CLAIMED FUEL ECONOMY? Fiat TwinAir Real World MPG
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 พ.ค. 2019
- Modern cars are all about minimal emissions, maximum fuel economy and all kinds of electronics to make sure you save fuel. Question is, can my modern Fiat TwinAir engine REALLY achieve its claimed 67MPG consumption figure? To find out, it’s time for another Miller Corner fuel economy challenge!
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My 2001 fiat pinto 1.2 16v cvt , manages 62 mpg on a journey cruising at 60 mph , the fiat pinto is an excellent car , even after 20+ years, well made and no corrosion yet 10 happy years with my punto , many more yet with it , best car I ever had ,
GREATEST SMALL CAR EVER
my mum's 1.2 8v mk2 Punto can easily hit +45mpg in twists at around 60mph
It's always going to be difficult to match claimed mpg as the manufacturer does it in perfect conditions in a sealed room under test conditions..... Great video there though Joe
it would be interesting to du the test again. this time no eco and you change gear as you want to.
Can you beat the machine?
The vehicle MPG figs are compiled by using a complicated methodology involving unburnt fuel through the exhaust etc and NOT by driving a car at for example a steady 56mph. It was the only "fair" calculation that all manufacturers agreed with when it was instigated and was flawed from the outset. I take them all with a pinch of salt
Thw twinair engine it was originally designed for the 500.and it's a masterpiece witch it will become a classic.i get on a highway, around 100/110km about 4,5l/100km and that to mee is outstanding!with a petrol tank of 35l it gives me +-750km of autonomy.even driving true the Ardennes up and down hill I get 5,1l/100km!the punto is just too big and sucks all the fun out of it.the thing with this engine is that it is to dam fun to drive it economic like.this is a car that puts a smile in your face when you put the foot down but you have to forget about fuel efficiency.you don't buy this car for that specially if you have experience with motorbikes.the twin engine is like driving a bike and if you know how it is the best little car you can buy,aside the 500abarth witch is my dream.i have done trips to Spain,1300km with no more than 2 tank's so I don't care what people say about this engine,as I already sed,it is a masterpiece as it was 60 years ago with the first 500s that, despite what all the people say about Italian cars,still driving around.oh and another thing,nothing beats the Italian style,my 500 is almost 10years old and people still ask me if it is a brand new car.you don't get that with the Germans 😅
39mpg is shocking! Especially considering that you were faffing about with every single ECO measure. Good on you for doing that, nice one.
You didn't do it properly, you have to go at least 100 miles to get any relevant result. Best thing to do is to fill it up and drive it until it's almost empty, then fill it up again and see the results. I guarantee it would be much different.
are you or anyone else watching a "hubnut" fan ?
Most certainly am! 😁 do love some Hub Nut madness and our professional work is closely connected
I am also a 1.1 Seicento SX ( 1yr ) and Punto GP Evo 1.4 ( 3yrs ) owner, so Hub Nut and young Mr Corner are very enjoyable channels to follow, although Mr Seabrook refers too Sei as a melted Cinq 😲, 😂,
.Punto always indicates 45+ and I"m sure Sei must easily match or better that, never actually calculated it though 👍
Yeah...Ian and I agree on many things. Seicento styling isn't one of them...
I refer to my Seicento as "the go cart" as it handles much like one and reminds me of my old '73 mini but believe it or not quieter. Incidentally the pointless rear seats spend more time folded down as this creates an extraordinary amount of space for such a tiny car
Interestingly my vxr is spot on in terms of accuracy i know this because i once put exactly 1 gallon in the very second the fuel light came on (right place right time) and the trip was telling me 44.1 mpg. After exactly 44 miles the fuel light came on exactly where predicted!
Impressive!
the punto mk2 1.3 multijet I have averages 61 mpg with mostly city driving, 70+ mpg extra urban is easily achievable if you drive it at 50-65 mph
My Peugeot 106 1.5 diesel invariably gave 70 m.p.g.Checked every drop of fuel put in over 5 years.My Fiat Panda 1.25 diesel(2008 model) gives 65 to 67 m.p.g.No town driving but hilly west Wales driving.
not efficient is one thing, parts are getting more expensive is another. maybe it takes more time to keep an older car running, if you can do it yourself it is cheaper and of course fixing smal things is better for the environment than building an entire new car..
just my 2 cents..
anyhow i think that punto is quit noisy.. i have to put my laptop on max to hear what you are saying.
My mum has the 2011 1.25 engine active trim it did 76.2 mpg she still has it from brand new never had a problem apart from wrong unit fitted from factory. Unit was changed after 255 miles the week after purchase on warranty. Only thing wrong is condensation in the lights. And also regular maintenance
Yes you can - without driving as a snail 🐌.
With my 500 Diesel I made it to a total of 3.9L/100km including German Autobahn, Tyrolean Alpine Passes and City traffic...
Just use your brain while driving and shift early.
Drive with distance and use the engine to break...
But what about all the fancy technology that should help?
Miller Corner - it helps..., but not without using your brain and some feeling in your right foot...
...abd where did you get the Siecento t-shirt from ?
This particular one is a Cinquecento shirt - easy to find on eBay 😁
A modern car that is 30% heavier, at least, 10% bigger, would need an engine that is 40% more efficient from 90's cars, which were around 25% thermal ecfficiency. That means that todays engines should be 37% efficient, to have the same economy, but this should be 20% better?? That is only possible with modern big Diesel engines that can reach 45-49% thermal efficiency, so obviously, The laws of the universe are against such milage claims. Small cars are the key, and just to recap: I get 4L/100km allround in my Seicento everytime. 4.4L/100km Hiway, 5L/100km city and 3.4L/100km extra urban. (I drive carefully). Actually, if I go completely nuts and hypermile, keeping speeds between 50-65 km/h, using every trick in the book, like stop and go (with the key) and rolling to stops every time making other motorists go nuts, I can average 2.4L/100km, which is kind of mind blowing. The reason, besides skinny hard pumped tires and PFTE grease in the wheel bearings, are that the old FIRE SPI engines go into lean burn mode if they are not loaded to hard and driven at a constant speed. Indicated by the evap selenoid being energised, which I can monitor with a DIY LED on the dash.
Indian Fiat Punto Evo 1.3 diesel once i got 82 mpg on highway ❤️
Showing 2.8 L/100kms
average speed. distance covered?
Crazy idea.....put the puntos twin air engine into the seicento.
I wish! A guy I was talking to tried but he said it's too tall :/
Is that imperial mpg or US mpg?
My 2.0 Turbo Cooper S does 37mpg quite happily so that, to me, is woeful. However the way to do eco driving is lift and coast miles down the road and using plenty of engine braking. I also agree it is mind numbingly boring and stressful to drive economically
my '11 panda 1.2 69hp does 4,9l/100km, so 7,1 is quite shocking for me.
I remember in my Alfa the stop start had a mind of its own. It would work sometimes and not others
Was it a good car though? Thinking of getting a mito
66stormbreaker Well I’m on my second Alfa, nothing wrong with the first one, I sold that for a Z4 and then eventually went back to a Giulietta. Both cars sailed through MOTs and never gave me any issues
start and stop works at certain air temperature and pressure, not always
Always drives at 47.91 mph for best mileage
Equals to 80kph best mileage
Nice car (seicento sx owner)
I recall asking you when you bought this car if it did the claimed MPG as they weren't all they're cracked up to be... I will say in politest of manner that I told you so Mr Miller
I'll hold my hands up - feel free to engage Smug Mode 😉
My 1.2 fire fiat palio give me mileage 13 km per liter it's 17 year old. Modern car also has same mileage claims in mixed conditions.
How does the manufacturer get away with publishing these figures. No one cares if it was conducted under perfect conditions. No one can replicate those conditions so it shouldn't be legal to claim them.
@14:44 Yes, but at least it is a nicer car.
'Ive the 'Fiat 500 twin air' i know the economy figures aren't what the manufacturer says they should be, but your probably getting fuel leakage from the overflow if your filling the system up to the brim!
The filler tube holds about a litre!
In my experience with the little twinair engine, the only way you'll achieve 67mpg is if you disconnect the fuel supply to the engine and make holes underneath to fit your feet through and push yourself along! ⚠️😯😁
Or you find a long downhill mountain pass to test mpg on, you'll probably beat the 67mpg figure. ⚠️😁
Best I got on a long run in my Fiat Panda 4x4 0.9 twinair is an indicated 54mpg. But that has all the extra 4x4 drivetrain which saps power and efficiency!
Expect to achieve mid 40s mpg on average but a brisk driving style can easily get those numbers down to mid 30s😯⚠️😊😁
Also the gear indicator is very optimistic, it sometimes tells you to change up a gear when it reaches 2k revs going up hill, below 2k there isn't much grunt!
Eco mode is pointless because you use a heavier throttle to get anywhere! In my opinion it's like a FUN on/off button. ⚠️😁
Huh! Surprising it did so poorly....then again, for how great that engine is, it's still a lot of weight for a little 2-cylinder to pull around. The stock Seicento's engine isn't THAT much bigger, though more cylinders, but it's got less weight to haul around...?
On average from full tank to empty, driving fairly normally (but overly eco-y) I usually get around 6.5 to 7L/100km in my '09 Hyundai Accent hatch with a 5-spd and a 1.6L 4-cyl. Not too shabby I've always thought! The best I ever did driving as eco-friendly as I could just to see how I could do netted me about 6L/100km....probably the best I could ever do with it, haha!
Trust me, I don't drive like an eco warrior either (as I know you don't :P), but have you ever heard of Fuelly.com? Nice website to enter in and track your fuel economy/fuel costs, etc. over time and keep a log of you services and maintenance - also nice to look up real-world fuel economy figures from other users on potential cars you are interested in buying if you're into that sort of thing! Here's the page for my car: www.fuelly.com/car/hyundai/accent/2009/darkstrike/194627
Cheers on another interesting video mate!
Interesting stuff! Fuel economy is one of the most fascinating boring things with cars, just doesn't sound it! Pleasure as always, my friend 😁
@@MillerCorner Right back at ya mate! :D
Yup, agreed! I don't hypermile everywhere like one of Jeremy Clarkson's so-called 'eco-mentalists', but I do track my usage to give me an idea how much I am spending. Every once and awhile, though, it's a fun 'game' to play with yourself....see how far you can stretch one tank of fuel! :)
Looking forward to this week's video! Any hints for this week? :P
my 1.3 130hp punto does 4.6l/100km
Seicento POWER
Most of the manufacturers claims of mpg figures are at least 20% overestimated, and should be taken with a pinch of salt. Even the newish Ford Focus 1.0L Ecoboost engine doesn’t delivered claimed figures.
Ha....I can hit over 45mpg in a 3ltr twin turbo 335d. Its got 286bhp and 580nm. Remapped it will have 350 and 700.... and from reports it should do a few mpg more once tuned. Maybe even 50 mpg on a run if driven sensibly! Once used less fuel in an e34 535i on a (fast) run over the Scottish Highlands than my friend in an e30 318i.
My VW Up 75ps averages 64mpg.
My pug 307 1.6hdi can do 55mpg round town no issues
SPOILER : it doesn't (mine atleast)
38mpg? My dads Ford mondeo diesel estate towing a caravan can do more than that!!!!!!! What????
Diesel car in better mpg than petrol shocker!
judging by plates you are a south west/coast driver
For best economy for any car first pick up a Costa Coffee , remove lid , place in cup holder and drive without spilling any .
No heavy accelerating or braking no only will you save on Fuel , you will have a full cup of coffee at the end of your journey.
siXth, not siCKth FFS man! I have a fiat 500s 1.2 8v, I get real world mpg 50 mixed urban and dual carriageway dash says 56.9mpg. Twin air has so much hype about mpg but never lives up to it IME. Shame really. I reckon if you do just did 50 mph on the flat in a straight line with over inflated tyres you might get the claimed figure. Otherwise sadly no.
that cars a scam, my big rover 45 tdi does 55 mpg once had 65 mpg on a long slow run, brim to brim test
What a shite car had one for a year . No speed , no good fuel economy struggle to get 35 mpg and feels cheap to drive aswell as has the same handling as a rice pudding
Rice pudding definitely handles badly!
He hasn't changed the settings on the stalk can tell by the digital display. Also you mentioned nothing about the live eco meter so you drove in general mode
First
The biggest achievement of the twinair engine has been to discredit official fuel economy figures.
However, it is unfair to compare cars so different in weight, like pitting Ghandi against Mike Tyson.
Instead compare the fiat 500 1.2 8v with the multiair engine in real world driving.