Weird battery change in Geiger counter
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- How hard can it be to change a battery? In the Gamma-Scout Geiger counter it takes some knowledge, but hopefully I will be able to do it. Let's find out!
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"This battery is more depleted than my uranium." Damn - how can I work that into a conversation?!?!
This conversation is more depleted than depleted uranium.
Knock Knock. Who's there, Uranium.
Uranium who.
Uranium deplete you.
How to roast an inanimate object r/murderedbywords style
Cynthia Cantrell "my wife is more lame than this useless depleted uranium"
Uranium? Imodium?
This is by far the most over dramatized battery change I've ever come across. Nevertheless, well done.
ElectroBoom would have have short-circuited and got electrocuted twice at least. ⚡Good job! ⚡
If ElectroBoom would work with radioactive materials......... :OOO
We need a collab
Sorry to say this but electro boom purposely shocks himself so people either don’t do his projects or learn electrical safety and the importance of training
Electroboom got masters, suffice to say people don't get masters if they regularly short circuit electronics. He clearly explodes stuff purposely and planned in advance.
and to make us laugh, of course!
I don't know if it's the case in your country, but here in the U.S., those "warranty void if sticker removed" things are completely false. In fact it's illegal for companies to void a warranty here just because you fixed something yourself (which, obviously, necessitates removing the sticker they put on there to prevent you from accessing things).
They can, however, (and rightfully so), void a warranty due to you making a mistake when fixing the thing, or damaging something while working on it.
In most of the EU, including denmark, for the first 6 months the company has the burden of proof you broke the thing and for the remainder you'll have to prove it wasn't your fault.
Whether you opened it or not, doesn't make a difference.
Proving that the other is at fault is quite difficult for both sides.
That are the terms for the warranty required by law, they don't care about the terms for an extended warranty some might grant you.
I think the sticker is just a way to make it crystal clear that you didn't mess up with the device, and therefore the problems in it can't be caused by you. So having a sticker is better for the consumer because this way it's impossible for them to refuse warranty if the sticker is intact.
And plus, Flydrop88, if you tamper with the device (or just remove a sticker covering a hidden screw or hinge) and a defect occurs, unless the warranty is still valid, the company will often automatically assume that the defect was caused by the (apparent) tampering of the device, and they will refuse to issue a refund.
Can you please call up Tim Cook at Apple and tell him that? What an awful company with awful products and awful customer care.
Yeah, tell that to Apple!
I like the animations for the the yellow warning signs
I love the tense music that the battery change is put to..... Thanks for the video!
This !
Yeah it feels like surgery and anything can go wrong until the little sticker is sealed back in place lol
This was the most suspenseful battery replacement I've ever seen. 😂
Congratulations on your successful repair!
Man screw thionyl chloride batteries. I work at a battery store and needed one with solder tabs on it. I was new to thionyl chloride batteries (lisol2) but not to tab welding so I thought "I'll get add solder tabs" I put on safety glasses and did the positive terminal first. No problem. The battery was a button top battery and when you weld a button top battery it usually sends out a lot of Spark because of the shape. So after doing that I took off my safety glasses to do the negative as they rarely spark (on nicd and nimh batteries). I weld the tab and pop lots of Sparks. I then turn the battery to look at the spot and psssssss I get sprayed in the face. Thank God I had my Normal glasses on. I saw the lenses get sprayed and closed my eyes and started coughing and eyes watering as i ran to the eye wash station. I got really lucky in that I only had minor burns afterwards and still have both my eyes.
Thionyl chloride turns into hydrochloric acid when exposed to oxygen and this is an extremely exothermic reaction so I got both chemical burns and temperature burns on my face but no scars.
Oh boy, that's not good x( Thanks for sharing. I did see a warning about not soldering directly on the end caps of a thionyl battery in a safety data sheet. Glad I found one with axial wires...
@@brainiac75 yeah I won't every try spot welding or even soldering on one of those ever again. When I started working at the battery place I was told "do not weld on lithium batteries" but saw other people welding on coin cells and 18650s so I assumed it was one of those warnings they have to give but obviously I was wrong.
Glad you are ok. I once got sprayed with the insides of a glow stick and with no safety glasses. Man that burned for a while. Did no damage but wasn’t very fun!
What brand of Li-SOCl2 battery was it? The Saft and Tadiran ones are glass sealed.
@@douro20 it was a saft 14250
That is the most intense battery changing I’ve ever seen.
Multiple camera angles and exciting music for... changing a battery. Ok a soldered in one, but still :P
Great video though!
on a LIVE CIRCUIT also.
That was the perfect ambiance.
A nuclear reactor is a lot like a woman.
You just got to read the manual and press the right buttons.
Not every battery powered circuit has large exposed contacts at 600+ Volts :D
At those voltages it is very easy to get a shock, not even touching the contact but just by getting close to it. Luckly the amperage would be low, but still, it would hurt.
That drama is so sad it's actually funny. People used to work on open CRT television you know... (~35000V)
*Electroboom has joined the chat* 4:06
he could find a thousand ways to kill you with that circuit board lmao
Electroboom: *gets shocked*
Also Electroboom: "F--k!"
I would have put some tape over the live end of the tube. And probably touched it while doing so.
Sometimes taking something apart is the best way of learning.
only sometimes?
Dan G almost always!! Even if you screw it up, you still learn because you learn what you did that screwed it up and why.
Nipuna Gunarathne if you completely break it and don’t learn why it’s broken it is not the best way to learn, but I digress
Man, I wish I had dramatic music playing in the background when I soldered. Though it would probably annoy the heck out of my coworkers lol
Cool video as always! And I'd love to see how a geiger counter works near a big magnet
This battery is more depleted than my Uranium. One of the reasons why I love this channel! 🤣🤣
Informative and educational as always.
That music makes it fantastic
*Works with a high voltage live circuit board**
*Doesn't put gloves on**
You don't need gloves?
He watches only certain Cody'sLab videos.
Higher voltage means there is less amps when goin through a transformer, no real danger here
2:17... Maybe it would be a good time to add an ON/OFF switch.....
Why? The gammascout battery lifetime is basically the shelf life of the battery even when turned on 24x7. > 10 years.
@@stargazer7644 yeah, kinda like RTC batts. but still worthed adding a switch, it may be useful in case the software jams (this is possible during the insertion of the new on) and also some reliable connectors on the posts to make the operation easier in every sense and also for the future
EDIT:
i support this idea of customizing one own's appliance and stuff once you maintain it, a lot of times you really want a simple feature like that switch (but there's a reason why it's always on :D)
@@redoverdrivetheunstoppable4637 there is the reset button for reset
@@HappySlappyFace ah yeah, i forgot, maybe i imagined it was just for zeroing settings and recordings, i dunno
@@stargazer7644 shelf life of the kind of battery used in this device is >40 years yes FORTY YEARS.
As an electronics student, this was a really cool video. Glad to see you gained some more Dream Patrons! Welcome to the club lads!
You're better than I am personaly would not have bothered putting the zip tie back on
Your channel has evolved so much and grown, Proud of you. Keep it up *Subscriber since 10k*
Lost software is a crime against humanity.
"I believe I can do it _somewhat_ safely" - err, ok...!
yes, you got my like -let‘s celebrate your good work! Thank you.
OMG... why is my heart racing watching someone swap a dang battery?!?!
Your channel is a great place to learn about new things.
I used to service CNC machinery control units (Yasnac, Fanuc, Mitsu) and we would always use propane soldering irons when we worked on them to avoid those anomalies.
Those units used the same battery type as backup.
No words electronics videos with intense music. I think you may have invented your own genre.
I will be buying the BR-6 Geiger counter and dosimeter, I'm so glad it takes normal batteries.
Yep. Normal, swappable batteries are such a convenience. At least, I only have to change the battery every 9 years or so. That's rare. Thanks for watching!
I have been waiting so long for this
Hope it was worth the wait x) Thanks for watching.
@@brainiac75 yep it was worth it, btw i have an idea for the next video (i know i told you in your last video as well but i am gonna say it again anyway) make a video about noble gases!! Thank u bye.
The way you said: "This battery is more depleted than my uranium", amazing. I giggled, ngl.
I once met the professor who designed this. Needles to say he was unimaginably proud of his invention and of how "simple and user friendly" it was. I had my doubts then but I think there's a rechargeable version available nowadays?
They sell exactly the same version today. You hardly need a rechargable version when the battery in mine lasted 20 years.
Some older software / hardware will only work properly on native USB 2.0 controllers. If you plug it into a USB 3.0 port, it won't work.
Also, if the drivers are really old, they may be 32 bit only, and require you to use a 32 bit version of windows. This is less likely but still a possibility.
An MSP430 microcontroller .. I knew it :D Back then those were practically the only sensible choice for long-life battery powered devices.
Also, ZP1401 is just the european (Philips) name of the LND712.
That is such a satisfying feeling when one fixes something like that.
Well done dude, you are awesome.
I have built many counters and serviced them, the high voltage in most battery powered units can only source a low current and it’s just not that scary I have been across the HV in several counters it gives you a little shock but it’s not super dangerous. Personally I wouldn’t hesitate to change that battery myself ofcourse the TH-cam safety police are getting crazy!
Electronic fly swatters generate around 1600v dc from two 1.5v AA batteries connected in series. Have yet to kill a fly with it... pretty useless IMHO. Tazer guns on the other hand....!
Nice soldering work.
Will there be any more episodes of the Exotic Elements vs. Magnet series? I think novaelements sells samples of technetium, so that could be an interesting exotic addition to the elements you've tested thus far.
Sort of. I do plan more episodes, but it's unlikely that there will be new elements of high-purity. Novaelements' technetium samples are a metal foil with a tiny, tiny amount of technetium on it. Not really useful for a magnetic test, but still an interesting sample of course. But I will revisit the rare earth metals with much better tests than shown in part 1. Thanks for watching!
lol The solder sucker actually made like a Minecraft getting attacked sound.
4:29
You get my like for this "Huh?" moment during soldering.
Awesome vid! I'd love to see it next to a magnet lol!
Nice work , thank you for sharing this video
Reason battery voltage stays about the same is because lithium thionyl cells as they age get a high internal resistance, to the point they will still be able to source near full voltage, but only at minuscule current draw. I have had some that will still put out 3V into a 10G input impedance multimeter, but connect a regular multimeter with 11M input impedance ( or change range on the high impedance one to the 30V range) and the voltage plummets to under 1V. Took it around 20 years to get to this point, and I had anticipated it, by placing a 0.1F supercapacitor across the cell. When it took more than an hour to recharge this capacitor in the clock application it was time to replace the cell, so used a pair of AA cells instead.
Good jib! Thanks for more great info!
This battery is more depleted than my uranium. Lol. Best line I've heard in one of your videos yet.
Great video!
I had to go through pretty much the same when I noticed my battery symbol had come on. I was very paranoid with messing up anything saved so I actually used my variable power supply to keep power to the unit while I removed the battery. Turns out I really didn't have to, even when one of the leads fell off the unit still worked fine of the capacitors for over a minute. I have the slightly newer CPS model, with 6.0SL(?) software.
I cut off the battery first then just desoldered the small legs. That way I could also keep a power supply on it for longer without risking heating the battery (and losing the heat to it.)
dude that music though. Felt like I had been spotted by some guards and they were walking about looking for me
Soldering is not that bad but one advice is to hold the tip longer on the pad so you transfer more heat to the pad and the leg of the component.
Great video as always!
I recommend You watch the HBO miniseries on Chernobyl!
Adnan Mlivo He probably didn't want to heat up the battery.
Great work👍
you should of Clipped (CUT) the leg of the old battery before removing it from the case,, and on reassemble,, solder the ground or neg last,, Safety First always !
You should HAVE
After rewatching your other videos that RadiaScan meter looks like it's a pretty good value for the money and is probably the one I'll order.
You make it look so easy!! 👍
I love that "Hm?" when the GammaScout detected the soldering iron as a strongly radioactive thing.
Love your work
I have a GammaScout of a similar age. I also need to replace its battery. I have the battery but I haven't been confident enough in my soldering abilities.
There is a python software project for reading the data, gammascoututil. I don't know how well it works in Windows but I've used it on Linux.
I took my GammaScout to an MRI appointment a few years ago to see if anything would happen, and something did! I had it in a metal locker for my personal belongings, approximately 10 meters away from the ring, and while waiting my turn, it began to alarm as though exposed to very high radiation while the 1.5T machine was imaging a patient. The field was obviously strong enough to pull electrons off the cathode and to collide with the tube walls. Moving it a further five meters away stopped the alarming.
8:45 - 9:00 I want to see that gamma scout magnet test video. Btw love your vids and I hope you get to 1mil soon
Please take care
I know you said you're not interested in the data-logging function. But you could try running the software in a virtual machine if you ever changed your mind, and pass through the USB.
Or install Windows XP on another drive just to run the software
ticker probably would make a good speedcore
Would you recommend the the SI GCA-06W? or, will you be able to do a demonstration using it? Reason I'm interested is that I heard it has the capability to interface with computer software.
Puh, that was tense! You get a like for celebration.
The MSP430 is an extremely low power microcontroller; it can work at voltages as low as a few hundred millivolts. This is why they are used in thermopile powered gas controls like those made by Honeywell. Is that an Am-241 source you were testing it with?
4:19 That was some good unexpected comedy
Awesome video 👍🙂
Great idea with the pegs to hold the board sideways. Going to use that.
You really need a nice pair of flush cutters.
Lo más emocionante que vi en la última semana!
Great video! Where did you get the spare battery?
Says don't touch ANYTHING - doesn't even wear gloves
I find the best way to get old software up and running is to open up an old computer that ran it when it was new lol
Good job.
It was only a 3.6 röntgen problem.
Thats bad but no tragedy
Not 3.6, but 15 thousand. And the graphite does exist!
@@michaelm1 youre delusional, take him to the infirmary.
That type of battery likes to stay close to the rated voltage under low load until they're 100% depleted, so I'm not surprised the device didn't know it was dying until it was under load, lol. But 9 years was a good run for a battery
most dramatic battery change ever!
I took a gamble as well and changed the battery on my unit a few years ago. Mine is a very early model with serial port and no reset button dating back to 2001. It seems like the calibration may have changed since the average µSv/hr bumped up slightly for the same location. Did you notice any change?
hehe. Had a really old model, like from 2000/2001 that I sent in and they couldn't fix it (although the battery lasted >15 years, no ticker so and it still had the serial port where the usb is now.) Got a good deal on a new alert model though, and also it's nice having a new one. Fun to finally see the inside's of one of these meters though! Also it's nice that the new models seem to have an additional decimal place of precision. (No idea about the accuracy on the final digit though...)
We do not need a Meter To sense the brain power radiating from Brainiac.🧠🤯
I guess it would have killed the designers to introduce a internal battery disconnect switch for safer battery replacement.
I was wondering about that myself. There are six header pins on the top of the device, I was wondering whether any of those actually turned it off, or defeated the HT side?
love the Drums
That reminds me, I took the battery out of my gamma scout about 6 months ago. Mines also the old model with the Bq button. I think mine has an LND712 tube though.
-Brainiac75: Put action movie's music when work with 600V and stay away from high voltage.
-ElectroBoom (Mehdi): Put lovely piano music when work with 40kV and high voltage wire always next to his hand.
I wanted to make a piece of foam fly into my hand when I activate electromagnets in my glove. What kind of magnets I should put in the foam, because I was thinking n52's would work
Oh, and zip tie guns are really, really worth the investment. Easy, repeatable tension, and auto clipping
When I had to replace this kind of cells and had sram data to be kept, I soldered a new cell over the old and snipped the leads of the old one. It took a second or two. When sram was already lost or there was of no concern, I used a plastic AA holder and replaced the cell wit a leadless one.
Thanks. I got some laughs.
0:44 He's not dead!
Thanks!
So what was the small round radioactive sample you used to test this? The one that looked like a small washer. I'm curious...
So dramatic w the music I’m thinking it’s about to explode 😂
It is very important to play scary music as a background to anything about radioactivity!
I think there should have been an additional warning about the dangers of soldering lithium batteries. Heating the battery up too much with your soldering iron can cause premature energy release..
It's safe to solder the leads. It's dangerous to solder leads to a battery directly, they're usually spot welded.
250/500v G/M tube is not that dangerous, in most cases not even enough current to measure on a multimeter without overloading it, especially when it's stepped up from 1.5/5v.
Overall a badly designed geiger counter, who thought it would be a good idea to have to solder in a new batt every time it drains?? almost as bad as apple
Nobody thought it'd be used this long I think.
The battery is soldered in for reliability. The battery lasts its shelf life - ten years. Show me another battery operated product that runs for ten years between battery changes.
@@stargazer7644 even an on/off switch would be good for when replacing it. The unit could have been sitting in a warehous for 2 years before being sold, or even more. In my opinon it's not the best soloution around
@@edg6779 My Gammascout is an original model (mine doesn't beep), it was purchased in 2002. It had a 12 year guarantee on the battery when I got it. It is still running fine on the original battery 17 years later. You think this isn't a good solution? Show me another product that gets 17 years on one battery. Seriously, the power system for this product is one of the best things about it.
You could have just soldered a capacitor parallel to the old battery, cut wires to old battery, charged cap to the same voltage as new battery (just use a small resistor) and then soldered in new battery.
Good idea !
Solder a new battery in parrellel to the existing battery legs, then cut the old one out of circuit, this prevents any data loss.
Zurkster It's better to use a temporary capacitor, you don't want to charge an old battery with let's say 10 amps.
Collecting vintage watches led me down the path of radiation research so I bought a SOEKS Defender has a SMB - 20 Russian tube. that is not capable of detecting Alpha. I then began looking for a alpha capable detector and first looked at the Gamma-Scout but the hard soldered in battery wasn't to my liking so I picked up a mint used IMI RadAlert 50 for $70 which has the same LND-712 tube as the Gamma-Scout. It has a tank like build quality. I wanna say SE Internation was building these International Medcom units as they were identical through the 2000's minus the color. Last week Just picked up a mid 2000's IMI Inspector Alert which has the more sensative 2" pancake LND-7317 and love it.
0:29 I like how we has the little wheel of dangers I guess you could call it at the start of the video and he explains it and it shows what he’s working with.
If you understand
About your installation problem, have you tried to ask Windows to run the program as an win98 or something like that?
Or install Windows 98 in a VirtualBox if that doesn't work. VirtualBox is available for free.
When he works on the board it looks like watching a bomb technician.