Once again. Nice video. As a Mitsubishi PHEV owner. I would class this as a good review. We have had ours for just over a year now. And everything you mentioned was just about spot on. Apart from that, the motor does do a direct drive to the front wheels, at speed on the motorway. When the battery is depleted or when in save mode. This is indicated by orange on any of the on-screen graphics. But great review anyway. By the way. The PHEV is our stop gap before we by our Tesla in 2018. :)
Umm, i was told there is no mechanical link between the engine and wheels and that the engine powers a generator that feed the front motor directly...????
It's 6 months later..but the PHEV has 3 modes of operation: EV, Serial Hybrid and Parallel Hybrid. In EV and Serial modes the car is driven by its motors. In parallel mode its driven by the engine via clutch directly. This mode only happens in the circumstances explained by Jason horsman.
@@Jamesandkate Here is a good example of the mechanical link, basically a transfer box single speed from ice to front diff. th-cam.com/video/7aQZU1Y5Iuc/w-d-xo.html
Really enjoyed the review, Ive been looking at the Outlander PHEV for a couple of years and I think this year is the time i get rid of my diesel Mini and buy a one.
Great review, I'm really enjoying your videos. I love my Outlander PHEV, and it is a stepping stone, I have totally decided to trade our Deisel Focus in for a leaf as soon as we can. The only complaint I have with the Outlander is that there is no option to put it in EV only mode, the engine kicks in alot in the cold unless you turn off the heat completely, preheating helps though. PHEV's also get people into the habit of plugging in, and installing chargers which is also a good thing.
Yeah thats a good point, even in eco mode if you gave some throttle it was straight in. But it's half way there and maybe enough to convince some people.....
That's not correct. There is an EV button. However some models don't have it - mine for example - mine is a 2015. However when I drive in winter I put it in Eco mode and the ICE does _not_ kick in unless I were to floor it. In winter I still get 27 miles on pure electric. My commute is 6 miles each way, so I'm sorted. Plan was to get a Tesla, haven't got round to it yet..
Hi. There IS an EV only mode . It’s the large, rectangular button just below the auto gear lever. However, as you say, if the temperature is very cold in the mornings, the engine will start in normal petrol mode for a short while.
Very well done James! If I was in the market for a 4x4 I would def go for this car. Except that then I'd have to cancel my Model 3 reservation, which is not going to happen. 😄
You are correct this is a great car for the transition to full EV. I run 2 in my company for 2 years now and they are very good. I then went for a Tesla 70 D now and still have the 2 PHEV within the company. Good video James.
James and Kate the 70 is great and has the 75 bat upgrade, but not needed. Great video Kate about the front vents rubbing!. I have the same problem but not as loud as yours but it's still a problem. Hope the SC fixes it out like yours. Also liked you visit to Scotland was very good, and you will know now that we have 8 stalls located in Dundee, good for your next trip.
Harry Meldrum Thats excellent. I often wonder at what point will be happy with a battery pack. You say 70, we're ok with 60 but everyone's different. Glad you liked are other videos, Kate has a few more ready now. I did see the new supercharger, I'm rather hoping that Inverness is next 😊👍🏻
I looked at one of these before i got my Leaf. Looks like a step backwards now but like you say, it may be a good stepping stone to some looking towards electric.
Saving and waiting for a model three, but if that turns out to be too expensive I think we might go with this (the wife loves her asx and has already tested the PHEV) especially if the electric range is increased.we would compliment and the phev with an imported leaf, ( leaf are not sold by Nissan here in NZ - you have to buy an import) that would cover our day to day commutes and long distance trips :-). Great video BTW !
Martin Meredith Thanks Martin, glad you enjoyed it. Good luck with your Model 3. I think being a RHD market like us it's going to be a long wait. We're all firmly at the back of the queue 👎🏻
I wonder how well this would be suited to LPG-conversion or installing an aftermarket extra battery pack (on top of the OBD-plug-in-box to get some extra EV-mileage). Bear in mind it"s the only EV out there capable of towing a trailer (up to 1500 kg (3000+ pounds that is)). since it is 4 x 4 it is expected to do well in bad weather conditions provided you put on some grippy tyres (from a safety point of view I'm not very keen on eco-tyres because of reduced grip, not only because of potential traction problems but more importantly because of potential reduced braking performance). It would be interesting to do a movie about that this winter. Especially 4wd vehicles with regenerative braking on both axles + the traditional braking system have an enormous braking capability provided they can transmit that braking power to the road (i.e. sticky tyres).
spot on editing and format James. not sure it's a car for true ev lovers but as a company car it has very low Bik. and who is showing off with a drone now!!!
Something of an eye opener for perhaps the most reviled vehicle by EV owners (due to charger hogging mainly). But if I was in the market for a 4x4, this review would make me look much closer. 👍🏻
how is this phev going today,im still considering one but at 36 grand AUD im not too sure yet,i drive a exceed pajero at the moment,im worried ill miss going offroad.
I see that there are many people who said they had a Tesla Model 3 on order. That was 2 years ago, how many of you have had them delivered? At least you could and still get yourself an Outlander PHEV.
Is the low down torque on these things quite impressive? There are quite a few round where I live and the owners often seem to treat them like racing cars, I think the off the line torque makes them feel fast although in my experience past 30 or 40 they're pretty much standard SUV as far as acceleration goes!
greenmoose7708 The motor torque is pretty substantial on these, off the line they're not slow, and like you said, it's becomes pretty standard after 45/50 😊👍🏻
James, really enjoy watching the video's so keep up the great work ;) My wife has the 2.2 7 seater Outlander (2016) and it is a great car, great quality and performance. We live in the Dublin mountains and so really need 4x4. I'd love to get an EV or PHEV but options are limited, I like the luxury of the BMW 330e and Audi Quattro's and I don't think the Mitsubishi is quite there yet. What AWD EV/PHEV's am I missing?
Matt Lemon only the Model X I think. Living where you do I would struggle to suggest anything else that would cope with the work load without using internal combustion. Glad you liked the vid 😊
Great information on the video, thanks. What are your thoughts on the Outlander PHEV for towing a caravan? Currently tow with Lexus 45h and it can be a tad sluggish up hills but improves when I switch from auto to manual. Thanks again really has sparked my interest.
Christine Knott Hi Christine. If I'm honest I wouldn't know accurately as I didn't tow during the review, however the outlander isn't short on power at all and surprised me from the beginning. I would add the with a caravan you'll certainly eat up the EV range as the drag will be so high but you have the ICE to back you up. That said, when you're not towing this is excellent, and really is a pleasure to drive. Hope this helps 😊👍🏻
Yes thanks - I can honestly say that having watched your review on here I have been to Mitsubishi today and driven one. Really lovely drive and fully experienced the EV in action. Clearly a car to get to know in order to get the best out of it, but so rewarding when you get the hang of it and see the car charging itself whilst moving! Checked out the towing and assured it will pull my caravan with ease. Still a tad concerned though after following up on another review, which stated towing up hill was a challenge for the PHEV, sounds like I could pull it up myself faster!!! Second concern is seating comfort, might need a second test drive and simply getting used to after my own VERY comfortable car. That said it's about weighing the +'s agains -'s and there are plenty +'s in the PHEV's favour!! You have really sparked my interest in this car so can I say a huge thanks for that, really pleased to have been introduced to it and it's now a serious contender on my list. If I do take the plunge on it, Mitsubishi have you to thank for the sale! If anyone has any feedback on towing or seat comfort on long drives would love to hear from you! Thanks!
I have just spoken to a friend who runs one of these as his daily driver (mk1) He does tow a trailer occasionally but not a caravan, however in terms of weight, it's garden slabs/block paving so still rather heavy. He advised that he has no issues at all with towing. Also, I can add from my own experiences and another friend who currently works for Mitsubishi as a Technician that the reliability is fantastic. They see these for routine servicing only with very few if any mechanical failures, opposed to other models. Thanks for your nice comments, glad we could help :-) James
Aha, cool. I thought it must be something in the industry. Cracking job on the videos mate, keep it up. Maybe throw more in about you guys, people like people :-)
Good review. Not sure we will ever see this car in the states. I hope Nissan put this drivetrain into a Rogue in the states now they own Mitsubishi motors.
It's been delayed for the last 3 years or more. Mitsubishi were struggling I don't think they had the financial wherewithal for a US launch. It would sell like hotcakes in the land of the SUV/CUV, especially being 4X4. My personal theory is that they couldn't make as much money per unit in the US and focused on selling in Europe and Japan where the sales have been very good. Hopefully Nissan will do something with the platform here in the US.
There's definitely a gap in the current EV market for a large load carrying family EV at a reasonable price. We've got a brand new leaf the Mrs uses for the school run and work and I'd love to replace my diesel 10-yr old S-Max but the Teslas are too pricey and the Ioniq which I tested last week week and loved is just not quite big enough in the boot. If they do produce a larger battery Outlander, that may be an option unless the price kicks up too much.
geoffnotjeff Hi Geoff. It's certainly worth considering or driving if you can. With an increase in range to 100/150 they'd sell these like hot cakes I would think.
When you say bigger battery, is that still a hybrid or a full EV variant? Full EV Outlander would be very interesting - nothing else like it apart from the Model X.
It was an EV but i believe there will be both as options. The floor in the Outlander is as big as a model S so shoving a 100kWh pack in there should be easy :-)
hi James, did you have any further news regarding the upgrade with the bigger battery? im considering this car but 30 miles on battery isn't enough for me.
James and Kate thanks. I took a little look and there is a mention of a model that adds 1 mile onto the EV range. pointless. I need a PHEV with 50 real life miles.
James and Kate yeah probably. have you got any suggestions of PHEV with longer EV ranges, Google pretty much fills the pages up with this. the BMW i3 looks small to me. were you getting 30 EV miles in the Outlander? I drive very carefully for economy Id like to think I'd get the max, ive read reviews on auto trader etc with mentioned its nothing near 30 when using some heating etc.
I agree that petrol is much cleaner in terms of NOx emissions and visible clouds of smelly diesel fumes. However, it seems Direct Injection has been used in many petrol cars (since early 2010s) without the appropriate particulate filter, resulting in high levels of ultra fine particulate emissions. So newer GDI engines are many times worse for our health than the old TFI engine. And of course the manufacturers refuse to install the ~£100 filters that would reduce these particulates by x1000 until they are forced to do so by legislation. I think the consensus is that both petrol (GDI) and diesel ICEs now emit particulates at levels that are damaging to health. So by driving petrol you're really just eliminating NOx emissions thanks to the lower pressure/heat of combustion.
Yes I think the only advantage it has is that when cold it is still pretty near it full efficiency, were as a diesel is shocking.... We know that they both need to go, it's just trying to push them thats hard. Tesla are slowly doing this though :-)
You're quite clearly more talented flying a drone than I am. You can follow an owl, I put mine in a tree and upside down in a carpark in the space of 10 minute. Fortunately, not fatally damaged :-)
Nice review - very balanced. I would love to have bought a Nissan Leaf but needed something which would tow a caravan a few times a year! The only full EV that can do that is the Tesla Model X but I don't have £90k at my disposal. So I bought one of these and frankly am very glad I did. I've had it for nearly a month and so far have used approximately 5 litres of petrol, so environmental damage is pretty low. I've not yet towed a caravan but am assured that it will have no difficulty but expect a massive hit on the fuel consumption though probably no worse than any other petrol car and we don't want to go down the diesel route do we?
Mark Armitage Understand that completely, 90K in some cases is a house and I don't know many people who have a spare one of those. This is an amazing car and as you've said really has its place. 😊👍🏻
From talking to outlander phew driver from 2015 version , 27 miles on battery real world is what he got, better than diesel an petrol version but not an ev , don't believe it should be getting much tax incentive until the battery is much bigger and also tax incentives for business are already available ( muddy water) but as you said not every one can jump straight to ev , ps much for this high spec monster
I agree, and I think the government is having a rethink reference this, as some people never charge them and run them like a hybrid. Still, an excellent car for the part believer :-)
We have had one from the second shipment. Very very happy. It is an entry level drug to the EV world. We have used it for the school run and locally always fully electric. This weekend in a longer run we use petrol as well. For the first time we used the 4wd lock on a rather icy hill where others had got stuck in the ice. The one problem for us is what next, the lease is nearly up. So far we have tested the Tesla's both x and s. X to big, s to big really and not loving the low driving position. Hyundai- still to do. BMW i3- nice but motorways on those skinny tires? Leaf- brill but depressingly ugly. Golf- rubbish range. ZOE- had reanult before not sure I trust their build quality. We need a genuine 150 range for regular motorway runs from Dorset to Surrey and we really want EV not hybrid.
Thats a conundrum... How long do you have..?? The new Zoe is out soon and Robert Lleweylen has a review out any time. I think in the real world this will achieve 150-180 but nowhere near the fabricated figures they suggest on the NEDC. Also the new Leaf is soon to be announced but who knows how long it will be until we see it....???? The I3 is an interesting one. I know a chap who has fitted spacers and bigger wheels and thinks the looses he has are nearly noticeable. He has the REX just incase but never uses it.
Good video James. Totally agree about diesels, new diesel cars shouldnt be allowed and old diesals should a scrap subsidy if you trade them for an ev or petrol phev/hybrid. Currently driving a diesel is like smoking down the pub used to be considered years ago. Everybody was encouraged to buy diesel but arent being encouraged to stop.
Spot on, Gordon Brown was the diesel advocate if I'm not mistaken. Trying to ween a planet of fossil fuel is hard, we've been addicted to iy for over 100 years now but it's happening :-)
mdad hdad Definitely, we need a diesel scrapage scheme to aid people away from them. Unfortunately dealers still market them as 'really clean', 'great for the environment' with absolutely no mention of carcinogenic particulates.
Ref Diesel vs petrol. Worth considering that CO2 emissions are lower from Diesel, so while Diesel is worse for the contemporary metropolitan residents, the higher CO2 output of petrol will cause a global and longer term penalty for future generations , especially people elsewhere like coastal areas and island nations. Also, consider the vapours of benzene etc, which are very hazardous in many ways, both now and long term.
Karman Line particulate 2.5 in Diesel can't be filtered by the human lung and is responsible for 100's of thousands of deaths. I agree petrol is poison as well so the sooner we leave fossil fuel behind the better.
Good point. I would say that we can naturally draw CO2 from the atmosphere but not at the rate we put it in. Which ever way we look at it, they both need to go.
Unfortunately diesel isn't dead yet. The government did such a good job of encouraging people to buy them that for many it is still the automatic choice (especially as a company car).
Robert Smith yep, you're right. That said I did here a VW sales person discouraging the sale of a diesel to a customer in favour of a 1.4 tsi petrol. When VW finally chuck them away I believe that will be the falling of diesel.
James and Kate I'm fighting with them. Writing endless complaints. Vert little effect. I'm going to write official letter to customer protection organisation this summer if they won't fix it by then. Let's see how Nissan likes the idea of customer returning the vehicle due to one function not working reliably.
I found the build quality to be very average and some of the options tacky and just simply stuck on with tape. Not a touch on a Range Rover. I've agreed with practically all previous reviews however I think your way off with this one. But hey that's why there's so much choice out there.
I don't need that jump, all the maintaining of an engine, plug in is in my opinion a waste of time . EV all the way , from a sports car owner. Tesla every time for me . I live in Australia, one guy said on a comment, how are you going to charge your your car? I suppose with those polluting solar panels, and I said yes with polluting solar panel's. Sorry we have Weirdo's in Australia, part of energy security , look it up on the internet, and I personally think it's government sponsored, a very strange country, considering how easy it is to generate solar power here.
I have to disagree. It depends on your requirements. Obviously you don't need to tow anything and can afford the huge premium for Tesla vehicles. As far as servicing costs are concerned I think you'd find Mitsubishi a lot cheaper than Tesla!
Mark Armitage Mitsubishi are in this case cheaper than Tesla for a service which I have to say is rather strange. However I get the bigger picture that servicing is expensive and dirty, and dealers sell you parts you don't need and call it "preventative maintenance" when the parts are still well within their operational life. I see it day it day out but recently had a family member the target of this the tune of over £1100. We spent £45, Kate chucked an exhaust silencer on it and it's since been mot'd and passed. This was 6 months ago. The more we can rid ourselves of these costs the better 😊👍🏻
Mark Armitage Hyundai ioniq electric would beat your theory. the range is impressive and I'm sure service would be considerably cheaper than any hybrid or ice only cars. if I had the means. I'd buy it today. on behalf of my great grandchildren. thank you *MARK TILLER.* I mean it (solar panels with an electric car). you're into negative carbon footprint (holy territory).👍
ReerBaadia I think the Hyundai ioniq is a great choose. Hybrids have the maintaince of petrol and Ev. in general use in Melbourne the ioniq would be best , but if you want to travel alot then a Tesla
Top man great review wish had more MPG related
Once again. Nice video. As a Mitsubishi PHEV owner. I would class this as a good review. We have had ours for just over a year now. And everything you mentioned was just about spot on. Apart from that, the motor does do a direct drive to the front wheels, at speed on the motorway. When the battery is depleted or when in save mode. This is indicated by orange on any of the on-screen graphics. But great review anyway. By the way. The PHEV is our stop gap before we by our Tesla in 2018. :)
Umm, i was told there is no mechanical link between the engine and wheels and that the engine powers a generator that feed the front motor directly...????
Glad you liked it otherwise and thanks for watching :-)
It's 6 months later..but the PHEV has 3 modes of operation: EV, Serial Hybrid and Parallel Hybrid.
In EV and Serial modes the car is driven by its motors. In parallel mode its driven by the engine via clutch directly. This mode only happens in the circumstances explained by Jason horsman.
@@Jamesandkate Here is a good example of the mechanical link, basically a transfer box single speed from ice to front diff. th-cam.com/video/7aQZU1Y5Iuc/w-d-xo.html
Top review, can't wait for it to turn up in Australia
Thank you.
Really enjoyed the review, Ive been looking at the Outlander PHEV for a couple of years and I think this year is the time i get rid of my diesel Mini and buy a one.
dc4460 excellent. You can get some really good deals on the pre-facelift models if you shop around. Let us know how you get on 😊👍🏻
My parents loved it so much apparently it got my father to trade in his Outlander petrol for a 2018 PHEV. I can't wait.
Great video James. Thanks
William Fealey cheers Will 😊👍🏻
Great review, I'm really enjoying your videos. I love my Outlander PHEV, and it is a stepping stone, I have totally decided to trade our Deisel Focus in for a leaf as soon as we can.
The only complaint I have with the Outlander is that there is no option to put it in EV only mode, the engine kicks in alot in the cold unless you turn off the heat completely, preheating helps though.
PHEV's also get people into the habit of plugging in, and installing chargers which is also a good thing.
Yeah thats a good point, even in eco mode if you gave some throttle it was straight in. But it's half way there and maybe enough to convince some people.....
Glad you liked it by the way :-)
That's not correct. There is an EV button. However some models don't have it - mine for example - mine is a 2015. However when I drive in winter I put it in Eco mode and the ICE does _not_ kick in unless I were to floor it.
In winter I still get 27 miles on pure electric.
My commute is 6 miles each way, so I'm sorted.
Plan was to get a Tesla, haven't got round to it yet..
Hi. There IS an EV only mode . It’s the large, rectangular button just below the auto gear lever. However, as you say, if the temperature is very cold in the mornings, the engine will start in normal petrol mode for a short while.
Very well done James! If I was in the market for a 4x4 I would def go for this car. Except that then I'd have to cancel my Model 3 reservation, which is not going to happen. 😄
Paul Spiers Spot on, keep that reservation 😊👍🏻 glad you liked it.
You are correct this is a great car for the transition to full EV. I run 2 in my company for 2 years now and they are very good. I then went for a Tesla 70 D now and still have the 2 PHEV within the company. Good video James.
Thanks Harry, glad you liked it. Hows the 70D serving you...????
James and Kate the 70 is great and has the 75 bat upgrade, but not needed. Great video Kate about the front vents rubbing!. I have the same problem but not as loud as yours but it's still a problem. Hope the SC fixes it out like yours. Also liked you visit to Scotland was very good, and you will know now that we have 8 stalls located in Dundee, good for your next trip.
Harry Meldrum Thats excellent. I often wonder at what point will be happy with a battery pack. You say 70, we're ok with 60 but everyone's different. Glad you liked are other videos, Kate has a few more ready now. I did see the new supercharger, I'm rather hoping that Inverness is next 😊👍🏻
I looked at one of these before i got my Leaf. Looks like a step backwards now but like you say, it may be a good stepping stone to some looking towards electric.
Adam Tucker Yes it definitely got it place 😊👍🏻
Saving and waiting for a model three, but if that turns out to be too expensive I think we might go with this (the wife loves her asx and has already tested the PHEV) especially if the electric range is increased.we would compliment and the phev with an imported leaf, ( leaf are not sold by Nissan here in NZ - you have to buy an import) that would cover our day to day commutes and long distance trips :-). Great video BTW !
Martin Meredith Thanks Martin, glad you enjoyed it. Good luck with your Model 3. I think being a RHD market like us it's going to be a long wait. We're all firmly at the back of the queue 👎🏻
I wonder how well this would be suited to LPG-conversion or installing an aftermarket extra battery pack (on top of the OBD-plug-in-box to get some extra EV-mileage). Bear in mind it"s the only EV out there capable of towing a trailer (up to 1500 kg (3000+ pounds that is)). since it is 4 x 4 it is expected to do well in bad weather conditions provided you put on some grippy tyres (from a safety point of view I'm not very keen on eco-tyres because of reduced grip, not only because of potential traction problems but more importantly because of potential reduced braking performance). It would be interesting to do a movie about that this winter. Especially 4wd vehicles with regenerative braking on both axles + the traditional braking system have an enormous braking capability provided they can transmit that braking power to the road (i.e. sticky tyres).
spot on editing and format James.
not sure it's a car for true ev lovers but as a company car it has very low Bik.
and who is showing off with a drone now!!!
A Fool With A Tool Glad you liked it 😊 I think with a slightly higher EV range this would cover a lot more based.
Something of an eye opener for perhaps the most reviled vehicle by EV owners (due to charger hogging mainly). But if I was in the market for a 4x4, this review would make me look much closer. 👍🏻
Iain Mackie Cheers Iain, glad you enjoyed it. It's definitely well worth a look 😊👍🏻
how is this phev going today,im still considering one but at 36 grand AUD im not too sure yet,i drive a exceed pajero at the moment,im worried ill miss going offroad.
I see that there are many people who said they had a Tesla Model 3 on order. That was 2 years ago, how many of you have had them delivered? At least you could and still get yourself an Outlander PHEV.
Hi James can u do an off road review of this car.. great video..
MrBravo143 possibly, I'll make a few enquiries 👍🏻
Is the low down torque on these things quite impressive? There are quite a few round where I live and the owners often seem to treat them like racing cars, I think the off the line torque makes them feel fast although in my experience past 30 or 40 they're pretty much standard SUV as far as acceleration goes!
greenmoose7708 The motor torque is pretty substantial on these, off the line they're not slow, and like you said, it's becomes pretty standard after 45/50 😊👍🏻
James, really enjoy watching the video's so keep up the great work ;) My wife has the 2.2 7 seater Outlander (2016) and it is a great car, great quality and performance. We live in the Dublin mountains and so really need 4x4. I'd love to get an EV or PHEV but options are limited, I like the luxury of the BMW 330e and Audi Quattro's and I don't think the Mitsubishi is quite there yet. What AWD EV/PHEV's am I missing?
Matt Lemon only the Model X I think. Living where you do I would struggle to suggest anything else that would cope with the work load without using internal combustion. Glad you liked the vid 😊
Maybe I'll have to go and test one then. Thanks :)
Matt Lemon Be warned, once driven it then becomes your soul purpose to own one 😊 enjoy your test 👍🏻
Great information on the video, thanks. What are your thoughts on the Outlander PHEV for towing a caravan? Currently tow with Lexus 45h and it can be a tad sluggish up hills but improves when I switch from auto to manual. Thanks again really has sparked my interest.
Christine Knott Hi Christine. If I'm honest I wouldn't know accurately as I didn't tow during the review, however the outlander isn't short on power at all and surprised me from the beginning. I would add the with a caravan you'll certainly eat up the EV range as the drag will be so high but you have the ICE to back you up. That said, when you're not towing this is excellent, and really is a pleasure to drive. Hope this helps 😊👍🏻
Yes thanks - I can honestly say that having watched your review on here I have been to Mitsubishi today and driven one. Really lovely drive and fully experienced the EV in action. Clearly a car to get to know in order to get the best out of it, but so rewarding when you get the hang of it and see the car charging itself whilst moving! Checked out the towing and assured it will pull my caravan with ease. Still a tad concerned though after following up on another review, which stated towing up hill was a challenge for the PHEV, sounds like I could pull it up myself faster!!! Second concern is seating comfort, might need a second test drive and simply getting used to after my own VERY comfortable car. That said it's about weighing the +'s agains -'s and there are plenty +'s in the PHEV's favour!! You have really sparked my interest in this car so can I say a huge thanks for that, really pleased to have been introduced to it and it's now a serious contender on my list. If I do take the plunge on it, Mitsubishi have you to thank for the sale!
If anyone has any feedback on towing or seat comfort on long drives would love to hear from you! Thanks!
I have just spoken to a friend who runs one of these as his daily driver (mk1) He does tow a trailer occasionally but not a caravan, however in terms of weight, it's garden slabs/block paving so still rather heavy. He advised that he has no issues at all with towing. Also, I can add from my own experiences and another friend who currently works for Mitsubishi as a Technician that the reliability is fantastic. They see these for routine servicing only with very few if any mechanical failures, opposed to other models. Thanks for your nice comments, glad we could help :-)
James
Thank you for taking the time to gather the information for me, really appreciate it. Good to hear some more positive comments! Thanks!
Thanks for the excellent review. Could you also please test drive the Lexus NX hybrid I am thinking to buy that car for my wife.
john smith glad you liked it. I get one in. May take a week though 😊
Please we need both of your opinion thanks so much.
No probs....
What do you do for a living? I've watched a bunch of your videos (which are great! please keep it up) and am curious.
Jon Davies I'm a vehicle tech 😊👍🏻
Aha, cool. I thought it must be something in the industry. Cracking job on the videos mate, keep it up. Maybe throw more in about you guys, people like people :-)
a vehicle tech....what vehicles do you work on?
Everything Graham.
Like your videos.it would be good if you would say what 0-60 time you got in all videos.
It's sloooow but it has a CVT.
I suspect the next version may tend more towards Electric drive with bigger battery and motors and smaller engine.
3:37 wrong info! The engine can drive the front wheels only as well as charge the battery.
Good review.
Not sure we will ever see this car in the states. I hope Nissan put this drivetrain into a Rogue in the states now they own Mitsubishi motors.
Jean-Pierre White I assumed you had it, why wouldn't they send it to a market as big as the US???
It's been delayed for the last 3 years or more. Mitsubishi were struggling I don't think they had the financial wherewithal for a US launch. It would sell like hotcakes in the land of the SUV/CUV, especially being 4X4. My personal theory is that they couldn't make as much money per unit in the US and focused on selling in Europe and Japan where the sales have been very good.
Hopefully Nissan will do something with the platform here in the US.
There's definitely a gap in the current EV market for a large load carrying family EV at a reasonable price. We've got a brand new leaf the Mrs uses for the school run and work and I'd love to replace my diesel 10-yr old S-Max but the Teslas are too pricey and the Ioniq which I tested last week week and loved is just not quite big enough in the boot. If they do produce a larger battery Outlander, that may be an option unless the price kicks up too much.
geoffnotjeff Hi Geoff. It's certainly worth considering or driving if you can. With an increase in range to 100/150 they'd sell these like hot cakes I would think.
When you say bigger battery, is that still a hybrid or a full EV variant? Full EV Outlander would be very interesting - nothing else like it apart from the Model X.
It was an EV but i believe there will be both as options. The floor in the Outlander is as big as a model S so shoving a 100kWh pack in there should be easy :-)
hi James, did you have any further news regarding the upgrade with the bigger battery? im considering this car but 30 miles on battery isn't enough for me.
I have checked on it, and the simple answer is, nothing yet.... Frustrating I know.
James and Kate thanks. I took a little look and there is a mention of a model that adds 1 mile onto the EV range. pointless. I need a PHEV with 50 real life miles.
Gutts Thats the only difference since they first produced these. I think a full BEV version would be years off yet sadly 😳👎🏻
James and Kate yeah probably. have you got any suggestions of PHEV with longer EV ranges, Google pretty much fills the pages up with this. the BMW i3 looks small to me.
were you getting 30 EV miles in the Outlander? I drive very carefully for economy Id like to think I'd get the max, ive read reviews on auto trader etc with mentioned its nothing near 30 when using some heating etc.
Gutts no not 30, tbh there isn't really anything that has 50 miles on a battery except an Ampera. Would a full EV do the job...????
I wish I could get one here in the US. :(
Frank Galpin I think they'd be a big hit in the U.S
I agree that petrol is much cleaner in terms of NOx emissions and visible clouds of smelly diesel fumes.
However, it seems Direct Injection has been used in many petrol cars (since early 2010s) without the appropriate particulate filter, resulting in high levels of ultra fine particulate emissions. So newer GDI engines are many times worse for our health than the old TFI engine. And of course the manufacturers refuse to install the ~£100 filters that would reduce these particulates by x1000 until they are forced to do so by legislation.
I think the consensus is that both petrol (GDI) and diesel ICEs now emit particulates at levels that are damaging to health. So by driving petrol you're really just eliminating NOx emissions thanks to the lower pressure/heat of combustion.
Yes I think the only advantage it has is that when cold it is still pretty near it full efficiency, were as a diesel is shocking....
We know that they both need to go, it's just trying to push them thats hard. Tesla are slowly doing this though :-)
Great review!! Did someone get a drone for Xmas LOL
Richard Lawson Thanks, not for Christmas, getting old birthday present 😊 glad you liked it
James and Kate ha, good stuff. I've been flying drobes a while, check out my vids. Great for car reviews 👍
You're quite clearly more talented flying a drone than I am. You can follow an owl, I put mine in a tree and upside down in a carpark in the space of 10 minute. Fortunately, not fatally damaged :-)
Upper case letter I doesn’t have a dot.
J Mack it’s the font that does that. We often get the same comment.
Nice review - very balanced. I would love to have bought a Nissan Leaf but needed something which would tow a caravan a few times a year! The only full EV that can do that is the Tesla Model X but I don't have £90k at my disposal. So I bought one of these and frankly am very glad I did. I've had it for nearly a month and so far have used approximately 5 litres of petrol, so environmental damage is pretty low. I've not yet towed a caravan but am assured that it will have no difficulty but expect a massive hit on the fuel consumption though probably no worse than any other petrol car and we don't want to go down the diesel route do we?
Mark Armitage Understand that completely, 90K in some cases is a house and I don't know many people who have a spare one of those. This is an amazing car and as you've said really has its place. 😊👍🏻
From talking to outlander phew driver from 2015 version , 27 miles on battery real world is what he got, better than diesel an petrol version but not an ev , don't believe it should be getting much tax incentive until the battery is much bigger and also tax incentives for business are already available ( muddy water) but as you said not every one can jump straight to ev , ps much for this high spec monster
I agree, and I think the government is having a rethink reference this, as some people never charge them and run them like a hybrid. Still, an excellent car for the part believer :-)
We have had one from the second shipment. Very very happy. It is an entry level drug to the EV world. We have used it for the school run and locally always fully electric. This weekend in a longer run we use petrol as well. For the first time we used the 4wd lock on a rather icy hill where others had got stuck in the ice. The one problem for us is what next, the lease is nearly up. So far we have tested the Tesla's both x and s. X to big, s to big really and not loving the low driving position. Hyundai- still to do. BMW i3- nice but motorways on those skinny tires? Leaf- brill but depressingly ugly. Golf- rubbish range. ZOE- had reanult before not sure I trust their build quality. We need a genuine 150 range for regular motorway runs from Dorset to Surrey and we really want EV not hybrid.
Thats a conundrum... How long do you have..?? The new Zoe is out soon and Robert Lleweylen has a review out any time. I think in the real world this will achieve 150-180 but nowhere near the fabricated figures they suggest on the NEDC. Also the new Leaf is soon to be announced but who knows how long it will be until we see it....???? The I3 is an interesting one. I know a chap who has fitted spacers and bigger wheels and thinks the looses he has are nearly noticeable. He has the REX just incase but never uses it.
I have also just realised that the i3 is only 4 seats.
Good video James. Totally agree about diesels, new diesel cars shouldnt be allowed and old diesals should a scrap subsidy if you trade them for an ev or petrol phev/hybrid. Currently driving a diesel is like smoking down the pub used to be considered years ago. Everybody was encouraged to buy diesel but arent being encouraged to stop.
Spot on, Gordon Brown was the diesel advocate if I'm not mistaken. Trying to ween a planet of fossil fuel is hard, we've been addicted to iy for over 100 years now but it's happening :-)
mdad hdad Definitely, we need a diesel scrapage scheme to aid people away from them. Unfortunately dealers still market them as 'really clean', 'great for the environment' with absolutely no mention of carcinogenic particulates.
Ref Diesel vs petrol. Worth considering that CO2 emissions are lower from Diesel, so while Diesel is worse for the contemporary metropolitan residents, the higher CO2 output of petrol will cause a global and longer term penalty for future generations , especially people elsewhere like coastal areas and island nations. Also, consider the vapours of benzene etc, which are very hazardous in many ways, both now and long term.
Karman Line particulate 2.5 in Diesel can't be filtered by the human lung and is responsible for 100's of thousands of deaths. I agree petrol is poison as well so the sooner we leave fossil fuel behind the better.
Good point. I would say that we can naturally draw CO2 from the atmosphere but not at the rate we put it in. Which ever way we look at it, they both need to go.
Where you driving it at 100mph? I'm a copper!
So am I 👍🏻
@@Jamesandkate what rank? Lol
Unfortunately diesel isn't dead yet. The government did such a good job of encouraging people to buy them that for many it is still the automatic choice (especially as a company car).
Robert Smith yep, you're right. That said I did here a VW sales person discouraging the sale of a diesel to a customer in favour of a 1.4 tsi petrol. When VW finally chuck them away I believe that will be the falling of diesel.
vw are stopping making small diesel engines now. lol interesting.
Thanks for mentioning Nissan App. That crap should be mentioned again and again. Such a sh*t.
Hope Nissan feel at least some shame.
It's kills me every time I try to turn the heater on :-( and it's been refreshed... I have no idea what they are playing at.
James and Kate I'm fighting with them. Writing endless complaints. Vert little effect. I'm going to write official letter to customer protection organisation this summer if they won't fix it by then. Let's see how Nissan likes the idea of customer returning the vehicle due to one function not working reliably.
Arnis Tarassu
well done Arnis. its ppl like you that are beneficial to all of us. have Nissan replied yet?
Kinda. They acknowledged that app is not good enough nor stable. So maybe... maybe some progress... when.. don't know.
Nice concept but the entertainment system looks pretty outdated compared to a Volvo or Tesla.
Ruben Kelevra it probably is if I'm honest but it was quick and user friendly 😊👍🏻
I found the build quality to be very average and some of the options tacky and just simply stuck on with tape. Not a touch on a Range Rover. I've agreed with practically all previous reviews however I think your way off with this one. But hey that's why there's so much choice out there.
Steve Durham it is and it's open forum so you're welcome to say what you feel. Sometimes we just don't agree. Cheers for watching and commenting 😊👍🏻
James and Kate no reflection on your actual review which is excellent, just don't agree on the motor. 👍
Steve Durham fair one, it's not to everyone cup of tea 👍🏻
I would love to have one that's pure electronic 👌no petrol engine.
Junior Ellis end of next year there's one coming. 👍🏻
@@Jamesandkate I have a Nissan Leaf now :) but now im reconsidering the new Outlander has 20kwh battery but again its expensive.
I don't need that jump, all the maintaining of an engine, plug in is in my opinion a waste of time . EV all the way , from a sports car owner. Tesla every time for me .
I live in Australia, one guy said on a comment, how are you going to charge your your car? I suppose with those polluting solar panels, and I said yes with polluting solar panel's.
Sorry we have Weirdo's in Australia, part of energy security , look it up on the internet, and I personally think it's government sponsored, a very strange country, considering how easy it is to generate solar power here.
I have to disagree. It depends on your requirements. Obviously you don't need to tow anything and can afford the huge premium for Tesla vehicles. As far as servicing costs are concerned I think you'd find Mitsubishi a lot cheaper than Tesla!
Mark Armitage Mitsubishi are in this case cheaper than Tesla for a service which I have to say is rather strange. However I get the bigger picture that servicing is expensive and dirty, and dealers sell you parts you don't need and call it "preventative maintenance" when the parts are still well within their operational life. I see it day it day out but recently had a family member the target of this the tune of over £1100. We spent £45, Kate chucked an exhaust silencer on it and it's since been mot'd and passed. This was 6 months ago. The more we can rid ourselves of these costs the better 😊👍🏻
Mark Armitage
Hyundai ioniq electric would beat your theory. the range is impressive and I'm sure service would be considerably cheaper than any hybrid or ice only cars. if I had the means. I'd buy it today. on behalf of my great grandchildren. thank you *MARK TILLER.* I mean it (solar panels with an electric car). you're into negative carbon footprint (holy territory).👍
ReerBaadia I think the Hyundai ioniq is a great choose. Hybrids have the maintaince of petrol and Ev.
in general use in Melbourne the ioniq would be best , but if you want to travel alot then a Tesla
confused , who is Mark armitage.
at least the door seals stay in place on this car lol
monkeybollox66 😊
EVS are OK but ya, can't tow, a, caravan lol
you can with this one 1500kg only but you can still tow
Can with this one 1500kg only but you can still tow