I'm an essential worker in a hardware retail store in NH. Thank you both for making my life more bearable. Many vaccine skeptics in the community and many with wild science ideas. Thank you both!
Just to clarify- an asymptomatic, vaccinated and boosted person that tests positive, does need need to isolate depending on their workplace-which Amy stated earlier. Testing is important because if healthcare providers are positive, we can’t work until negative, having a horrendous impact on staffing levels.
@@Fbarrettwhen Vincent has time, he will post the final exam to the student notes page, where all the exams have been. Here: www.virology.ws/virology-live-2021/
Thank u Vincent and 'team'. You guys have given SO MUCH and I bet I speak for others in saying how much we appreciate you all, and the moderators also; Thank you sincerely ❤
Thank you Vincent, Amy and all the other great guests that has taught us how to better understand Covid and how to adapt to it in our everyday life. Thank you life time supporter thank you.
Thanks again A & V. I’ve turned my mother onto this channel so she could come here to escape the hyperbole of tv news and podcasts that care more about likes than science.
I missed the beginning banter live- I love the synergy between you and Amy. Vincent- becoming anti- social is a healthy state, especially when you have an online presence with the ability to teach people. Thank you both so much for giving of your time and expertise, it's invaluable. I do it, but I stay in the climate disruption lane, with a much smaller audience 😂 I was a Higher Ed research administrator for a long time- so being a part of your community feels good! I miss my PI's! Thanks again, happy anti-social New Year!
@V @A Dear Amy & Vincent. Re: Infectious. Keep repeating the correct words. Eventually we'll get it, and the right words will go viral. Best wishes, John in the UK.
Happy New Year. I have completed 2 doses of MRNa vaccine no booster as it is less than 6 months. Last week developed runny nose and random body aches. This week sudden loss of taste and smell. Drive thru PCR nasal swab found positive for SarsCov2. So that being said could I consider this my booster? And can I transmit it to my family since my viral load should be decreased due to vaccine?
I gain info on every question, every discussion. I appreciate your thoughts. Vincent: i know ppl are more direct now. I truly see in every ep: Appreciate the clear clear explanations. Again so many of us have become an expert in this after reading or hearing certain scientists... including fsmily. Once you, Amy, Dr Mobeen, several others explained how mRNA worked. Its amazing straight forward.
Thank you, thank you! I look forward to listening each week and learning. Many good wishes for much happiness and good, good health in 2022! Bonne Année!
Earliest New Year - closest to date line - not sure, but possibly Republic of Kiribati? Wikipedia: Their spread straddles the equator and the 180th meridian, although the International Date Line goes around Kiribati and swings far to the east, almost reaching the 150° W meridian. This brings Kiribati's easternmost islands, the southern Line Islands south of Hawaii, into the same day as the Gilbert Islands and places them in the most advanced time zone on Earth: UTC+14. Kiribati is the only country in the world to be situated in all four cardinal hemispheres.
If were saying Omicron is “less severe” because of mass immunity, then why is Delta still presenting as “severe” and causing all of the deaths? How can both variants be spreading simultaneously yet we claim immunity for one but not the other?
It's good just listening to your banter, even when YT feeds me old posts I've played several times. It's what BBC radio used to call 'Easy Listening'. Keep it coming (though I nearly always miss the beginning, as there are lots of live streams at the same time. For me, a weekend slot would be better, as I have trouble finding anything new and long enough at the weekends).
Oh, I just wanted to enquire whether you'd heard research that says 3rd dose effectiveness goes down to 30pc (against infection with Omicron) after only 10 weeks after you've had the 3rd dose. Please can you discuss this if you get the chance, or if you have already covered this, would you mind pointing me in the right direction to find your thoughts on this matter. Thanks again, for everything. Much appreciated.
1:16:04 The data (on severe cases and deaths) that proves that the booster is needed because the immune response after the first 2 doses wanes was available from Israel and the UK since July-August. By now it is clear that the responses after the booster don't wane at the same rate (97% effectiveness against severe disease and death is maintained for 4-5 months now). So it is not clear that the next doses would be needed. Apparently 3 doses of mRNA is the golden mean :-)
It's actually "the vaccinated" that need to settle down and get back to normal life. The unvaccinated are already, or have always been leading an normal life because they are obviously not scared of "infection". But some people are so scared by infection statistics they just keep hiding and make a big deal about preventing exposure that they will just keep hiding until yet another boost.
I have a question. My 13 year old step daughter is out of state visiting her father. The father has been sick and they all got tested today. They only had the rapid antigen test and he was positive (he is also the only one who has had symptoms) and my step daughter and her step mom were both negative (they are also fully vaccinated) My daughter really wants to come back home but we are concerned about the reliability of the test. Isn’t it quite possible that my daughter and the step mom just got false negative tests, since the father has been sick for a solid week and has had symptoms such as coughing. My wife and I are fully vaccinated but we have a 3 and a half year old at home. Should we wait to have a PRC test with our daughter before she returns? We are just concerned that the 13 year old is asymptotic and may bring covid into the home. Any advice and recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Omg! Let her come home! Have her wear an N95, drive her home with the windows in the car wide open and wear your masks. Once home, have her stay in her room until she tests negative. My teenage granddaughter nevet got covid even tho her father, mother and two small siblings did. BRING YOUR KID HOME!!!
All these measures I attest to because we have had similar situations arise in our family. My friend had to drive her unvaxxed kid to the er. She had an N95, he had an N95, she drove with every window down and the a/c blasting. She never got it. This was repeated multiple times as Covid ripped thru her family. She was the only vaxxed person.
@@eunicelcastilloeunicelarac9421 I appreciate you sharing your experience. My step daughter lives 13 hours away so driving the windows open and N95 masks would be tricky to maintain. She also has ADHD so attention to details is not her strength. She is getting a PRC test this week and I am meeting the father half way to pick her up next weekend. So even if she was positive she likely won’t be contagious by then anyway. It’s all going to work out ok. Thanks again
??Question??- I work in grocery in Western Maryland (thick in trump country). I'm vaxed with Pfizer & contracted covid 4 days after 2nd vax in April 2021, and just got my 3rd Pfizer Booster and am feeling sick but not from the booster (sore throat/sinus etc). Is there any information for strength of immunity for people fully (3x) vaxed *and already experienced full covid once and possibly twice? Thank you for any information and for all of the clear communication! 🙏
Vincent and Amy have often said that infection plus a vaccine dose gives you excellent immunity. Omicron is something of an unknown quantity however all evidence points to three doses being sufficient to prevent serious disease, so three doses plus prior infection (same as me incidentally) is about the best protection you can get. Exposure to the virus then might just boost your immunity or, if it does infect, is likely to be a case of the sniffles. You are good :)
Update- Well, i have COVID. Again. I went to go be seen for bacterial infection, but bc my symptoms aligned with covid I had to get tested first- which just came back positive. So this means 4 days after Pfizer vaccine #2 (in april) and now 4 days after Pfizer vaccine #3 (12/27) I've contracted covid both times. Is this weirdly coincidental, or am I missing something? I am definitely sick though. Thanks to all for any info! 😷✌
@@skepticalbadger have you seen any study to confirm that those who are naturally immune are in need of a vaccine and that the vaccine or boosters would in no way harm or impose into natural immunity? Have Vincent and Amy cited any of those studies?
I actually do wish people would wear mask, any mask, when in public. But I was in ER of a major hospital in Pennsylvania for 8 hrs and 25% of the people had their masks on their chin or under the nose, they were eating and drinking and taking masks off completely 😡😡😡 nobody from medical personnel said anything to anyone of them. The ER was packed and there was no way to keep any distance. It is absolutely unacceptable!
This is annecdotal, but I heard of someone who got a sty in his eye and then proceeded to COVID. It turns out he used his lawyer's pen and then rubbed his eye. In contact tracing, he found out the lawyer had COVID right before he got it.
I don't know if I buy this conclusion that the mRNA vaccines were timed "wrongly", and we are correcting it now by giving the 3rd shot after 6 months or so. You don't mean that literally, I'm sure? Because staying singly vaccinated for 6 months is a bad idea, especially with Delta. So was it really wrongly timed? Or is it rather, that in a theoretical ideal world, one would space it 6 months apart, to give ideal long term immunity, if one does not have to worry about infections during that time? While a single shot did fine with the ancestral virus, this wasn't the case any more with some of the dominant variants that came up. So all in all, while one could make the point that 6 months spaced apart would be ideal for the immune response theoretically, in reality, what was done was absolutely correct: get as many people fully protected as fast as possible. And then give the booster to complete it/ counteract the waning protection (also from severe illness and death). Am I missing something? Also, is there really good data around that two doses 6 months apart is as good as the 3 dose scheme? I'd be curious to know....
The whole point of the vaccines was to get you up to 95% or whatever as fast as possible and fully resume the economy as fasts as possible. Well, it didn't actually work out that way...but whatever. It had nothing to do with "optimal timing for long term immunity".
@@cg4806 The "booster effort" is also to get people to calm down and resume life. They beleive it will significantly reduce INFECTION. But that is false. I mean, arround me, you hear of vaccinated ppl infected all the time right now. This waiter says all this friends who got positive were all boosted. Just today 4 more positive ppl had to isolate from a supermarket after 7 "close" workers last week were sent home after a positive. 6 were negative, then positive the next day. They are vaccinated too. A karate dojo closed cuz a 4 hour class had all 12 participants positive. And you need to be vaxxed to do indoor activities accordinig to draconian nyc mayor. Yeah, so maybe it will take 30 minutes (vs 15) "close contact" to become positive, but that's irrelevant when working in a room for 8 hours and partying for 5 hours on Chrismas, let alone staying over for 5 days at parents. lol
@@rasmasyean i‘d be curious to know how fresh the booster was. We know the booster gives maybe 70-80% protection from infection with Omicron after 1-2 weeks and maybe for maximally 1 month, then wanes quickly again. I‘d also would love to know how many of the people you mentioned actually developed symptoms despite the booster, vs. staying asymptomatic. Do you know? But I agree. Boosting will likely help reduce infection for people who stay generally careful, but for most people who want to resume life, the latest 1-2 months after boosting or so, the protection from infection isn‘t high anymore. Still, I‘d rather catch Omikron tripply vaccinated than just 2x.
Actually, just remembered my grandma spoke a mixture of Romansh (or something similar) and Italian, so maybe her pronunciation is not typical of most Italians. I seem to remember Vincent saying his family are from the south of Italy, so that might account for the difference.
I love you guys but sometimes you two are way too pedantic. Complaining about R0 is like complaining about LD50. A quick hand description of the transmissibility of a virus, in an average population in an average density in an average person, is worth measuring. Are there other factors that people need to be mindful of when looking at these numbers? Of course, however, you would never throw out the concept of LD50 because you don't know the species of mouse, the age of the mouse, the diet, and level of exercise of the animal. One would hope the factors are more are less controlled for, but you need to set a standard somewhere. Also viruses are alive, they replicate and are subject to evolution by natural selection, all these other factors for life are just fluff.
I'm an essential worker in a hardware retail store in NH. Thank you both for making my life more bearable. Many vaccine skeptics in the community and many with wild science ideas. Thank you both!
Do NH license plates still say
"Live free or die" ?
@@jonnash5196 Yes
Just to clarify- an asymptomatic, vaccinated and boosted person that tests positive, does need need to isolate depending on their workplace-which Amy stated earlier. Testing is important because if healthcare providers are positive, we can’t work until negative, having a horrendous impact on staffing levels.
Thanks Vincent and Amy for all the hard work in 2021, happy new year and looking forward to 2022!
@@Fbarrettwhen Vincent has time, he will post the final exam to the student notes page, where all the exams have been. Here: www.virology.ws/virology-live-2021/
Thank u Vincent and 'team'.
You guys have given SO MUCH and I bet I speak for others in saying how much we appreciate you all, and the moderators also; Thank you sincerely ❤
Thank you Vincent, Amy and all the other great guests that has taught us how to better understand Covid and how to adapt to it in our everyday life. Thank you life time supporter thank you.
Thank you for your excellent information and education. You are a very calming influence!
You are a voice of reason in a crazy world. Thank you for doing these!
Love you, your people, your methods, your common sense, data driven, practical approach to all of this.
Thanks again A & V. I’ve turned my mother onto this channel so she could come here to escape the hyperbole of tv news and podcasts that care more about likes than science.
Thanks for getting us thru 2022
2021
Love your channel and all your people that are regulars,very informing and sort of easy to digest😏Happy New Year to you all!
I missed the beginning banter live- I love the synergy between you and Amy. Vincent- becoming anti- social is a healthy state, especially when you have an online presence with the ability to teach people. Thank you both so much for giving of your time and expertise, it's invaluable. I do it, but I stay in the climate disruption lane, with a much smaller audience 😂 I was a Higher Ed research administrator for a long time- so being a part of your community feels good! I miss my PI's! Thanks again, happy anti-social New Year!
@V @A Dear Amy & Vincent. Re: Infectious. Keep repeating the correct words. Eventually we'll get it, and the right words will go viral. Best wishes, John in the UK.
All The Best for 2022! Thank You for all you do!!!
Thank you for all of this info and educating the public. Huge fan !
Happy New Year. I have completed 2 doses of MRNa vaccine no booster as it is less than 6 months. Last week developed runny nose and random body aches. This week sudden loss of taste and smell. Drive thru PCR nasal swab found positive for SarsCov2. So that being said could I consider this my booster? And can I transmit it to my family since my viral load should be decreased due to vaccine?
How are you feeling? OKish, I hope.
I'm late but yes that was your booster and you could still spread
If you still wanna get the third dose (first booster) now's the time
I gain info on every question, every discussion. I appreciate your thoughts.
Vincent: i know ppl are more direct now. I truly see in every ep: Appreciate the clear clear explanations. Again so many of us have become an expert in this after reading or hearing certain scientists... including fsmily. Once you, Amy, Dr Mobeen, several others explained how mRNA worked. Its amazing straight forward.
Commenting for the sake of yt algorithm and spreading correct info.
2021 Science Communicators of the year award should go to TWIV
How is it calculated that 80% of the spread is by only 20%of infected people?
Thank you, thank you! I look forward to listening each week and learning. Many good wishes for much happiness and good, good health in 2022! Bonne Année!
Earliest New Year - closest to date line - not sure, but possibly Republic of Kiribati?
Wikipedia: Their spread straddles the equator and the 180th meridian, although the International Date Line goes around Kiribati and swings far to the east, almost reaching the 150° W meridian. This brings Kiribati's easternmost islands, the southern Line Islands south of Hawaii, into the same day as the Gilbert Islands and places them in the most advanced time zone on Earth: UTC+14. Kiribati is the only country in the world to be situated in all four cardinal hemispheres.
Another year of TWiV's, lectures and Q&A. Thanks
If were saying Omicron is “less severe” because of mass immunity, then why is Delta still presenting as “severe” and causing all of the deaths? How can both variants be spreading simultaneously yet we claim immunity for one but not the other?
Perhaps the Delta stats include more first infections because it's been arround much longer? And by now, Omicron stats include a lot of reinfections.
It's good just listening to your banter, even when YT feeds me old posts I've played several times. It's what BBC radio used to call 'Easy Listening'. Keep it coming (though I nearly always miss the beginning, as there are lots of live streams at the same time. For me, a weekend slot would be better, as I have trouble finding anything new and long enough at the weekends).
Thank you for another informative Q&A session. It is great to have some sanity amongst all the misinformation.
Is Robert Malone father of Mrnas...your opinion would make him so...Thank you Drs Amy and Vincent
You are great thank you for your tuition
Happy New Year V&A and everyone else.
It's Stollen, with a short "o"!
Oh, I just wanted to enquire whether you'd heard research that says 3rd dose effectiveness goes down to 30pc (against infection with Omicron) after only 10 weeks after you've had the 3rd dose. Please can you discuss this if you get the chance, or if you have already covered this, would you mind pointing me in the right direction to find your thoughts on this matter. Thanks again, for everything. Much appreciated.
They are aware of that, since they say the vaccines don't prevent infection because the antibodies contract
1:16:04 The data (on severe cases and deaths) that proves that the booster is needed because the immune response after the first 2 doses wanes was available from Israel and the UK since July-August. By now it is clear that the responses after the booster don't wane at the same rate (97% effectiveness against severe disease and death is maintained for 4-5 months now). So it is not clear that the next doses would be needed. Apparently 3 doses of mRNA is the golden mean :-)
Vincent’s message: “settle down, get your vaccine and get back to normal life”.
It's actually "the vaccinated" that need to settle down and get back to normal life. The unvaccinated are already, or have always been leading an normal life because they are obviously not scared of "infection". But some people are so scared by infection statistics they just keep hiding and make a big deal about preventing exposure that they will just keep hiding until yet another boost.
Happy New Year, guys! Hope 2022 data looks ever brighter :)
Thanks so much for everything! Happy New Year!
Im reading Fever and eating panettone Vincent! It’s a good day! Happy New Year!
Agree with Vincent big time on the New Year's thing.
Finally I understand why I could not grasp R0.........
Happy New Year A & V and all the TWiV peeps , thanks for keeping us informed 2021, here's to a better 2022. 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
What about teens- below 18, no booster here- so are they going to be ok w 2 only, due to their age and possible stronger immunity ?
Panettone, the e is voiced.
What is meant by the way we're run? This will be a 5 year pandemic.
I have a question. My 13 year old step daughter is out of state visiting her father. The father has been sick and they all got tested today. They only had the rapid antigen test and he was positive (he is also the only one who has had symptoms) and my step daughter and her step mom were both negative (they are also fully vaccinated) My daughter really wants to come back home but we are concerned about the reliability of the test. Isn’t it quite possible that my daughter and the step mom just got false negative tests, since the father has been sick for a solid week and has had symptoms such as coughing. My wife and I are fully vaccinated but we have a 3 and a half year old at home. Should we wait to have a PRC test with our daughter before she returns? We are just concerned that the 13 year old is asymptotic and may bring covid into the home. Any advice and recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Omg! Let her come home! Have her wear an N95, drive her home with the windows in the car wide open and wear your masks. Once home, have her stay in her room until she tests negative. My teenage granddaughter nevet got covid even tho her father, mother and two small siblings did. BRING YOUR KID HOME!!!
All these measures I attest to because we have had similar situations arise in our family. My friend had to drive her unvaxxed kid to the er. She had an N95, he had an N95, she drove with every window down and the a/c blasting. She never got it. This was repeated multiple times as Covid ripped thru her family. She was the only vaxxed person.
@@eunicelcastilloeunicelarac9421 I appreciate you sharing your experience. My step daughter lives 13 hours away so driving the windows open and N95 masks would be tricky to maintain. She also has ADHD so attention to details is not her strength. She is getting a PRC test this week and I am meeting the father half way to pick her up next weekend. So even if she was positive she likely won’t be contagious by then anyway. It’s all going to work out ok. Thanks again
My husband died of severe pneumonia from Covid. He fill with blood clots and couldn’t breath. Why. He should not have doed
??Question??- I work in grocery in Western Maryland (thick in trump country). I'm vaxed with Pfizer & contracted covid 4 days after 2nd vax in April 2021, and just got my 3rd Pfizer Booster and am feeling sick but not from the booster (sore throat/sinus etc). Is there any information for strength of immunity for people fully (3x) vaxed *and already experienced full covid once and possibly twice? Thank you for any information and for all of the clear communication! 🙏
Vincent and Amy have often said that infection plus a vaccine dose gives you excellent immunity. Omicron is something of an unknown quantity however all evidence points to three doses being sufficient to prevent serious disease, so three doses plus prior infection (same as me incidentally) is about the best protection you can get. Exposure to the virus then might just boost your immunity or, if it does infect, is likely to be a case of the sniffles. You are good :)
Update- Well, i have COVID. Again. I went to go be seen for bacterial infection, but bc my symptoms aligned with covid I had to get tested first- which just came back positive. So this means 4 days after Pfizer vaccine #2 (in april) and now 4 days after Pfizer vaccine #3 (12/27) I've contracted covid both times. Is this weirdly coincidental, or am I missing something? I am definitely sick though. Thanks to all for any info! 😷✌
@@Bushxy it seems proof of what's happening is right before you.
@@skepticalbadger have you seen any study to confirm that those who are naturally immune are in need of a vaccine and that the vaccine or boosters would in no way harm or impose into natural immunity? Have Vincent and Amy cited any of those studies?
I actually do wish people would wear mask, any mask, when in public. But I was in ER of a major hospital in Pennsylvania for 8 hrs and 25% of the people had their masks on their chin or under the nose, they were eating and drinking and taking masks off completely 😡😡😡 nobody from medical personnel said anything to anyone of them. The ER was packed and there was no way to keep any distance. It is absolutely unacceptable!
That sounds awful! I hope you’re all ok.🙏👍
25:18 Can you catch virus from surfaces? The answer is yes if the surface is somewhat wet or can attract moisture (including hands surfaces).
This is annecdotal, but I heard of someone who got a sty in his eye and then proceeded to COVID. It turns out he used his lawyer's pen and then rubbed his eye. In contact tracing, he found out the lawyer had COVID right before he got it.
@@rasmasyean Not only anecdotal, but quite possibly coincidental.
Nonetheless, there's no good evidence for significant levels of fomite transmission.
@@skepticalbadger >>there's no good evidence for significant levels of fomite transmission
I don't know if I buy this conclusion that the mRNA vaccines were timed "wrongly", and we are correcting it now by giving the 3rd shot after 6 months or so. You don't mean that literally, I'm sure? Because staying singly vaccinated for 6 months is a bad idea, especially with Delta. So was it really wrongly timed? Or is it rather, that in a theoretical ideal world, one would space it 6 months apart, to give ideal long term immunity, if one does not have to worry about infections during that time? While a single shot did fine with the ancestral virus, this wasn't the case any more with some of the dominant variants that came up. So all in all, while one could make the point that 6 months spaced apart would be ideal for the immune response theoretically, in reality, what was done was absolutely correct: get as many people fully protected as fast as possible. And then give the booster to complete it/ counteract the waning protection (also from severe illness and death). Am I missing something? Also, is there really good data around that two doses 6 months apart is as good as the 3 dose scheme? I'd be curious to know....
The whole point of the vaccines was to get you up to 95% or whatever as fast as possible and fully resume the economy as fasts as possible. Well, it didn't actually work out that way...but whatever. It had nothing to do with "optimal timing for long term immunity".
@@cg4806 The "booster effort" is also to get people to calm down and resume life. They beleive it will significantly reduce INFECTION. But that is false.
I mean, arround me, you hear of vaccinated ppl infected all the time right now. This waiter says all this friends who got positive were all boosted. Just today 4 more positive ppl had to isolate from a supermarket after 7 "close" workers last week were sent home after a positive. 6 were negative, then positive the next day. They are vaccinated too. A karate dojo closed cuz a 4 hour class had all 12 participants positive. And you need to be vaxxed to do indoor activities accordinig to draconian nyc mayor.
Yeah, so maybe it will take 30 minutes (vs 15) "close contact" to become positive, but that's irrelevant when working in a room for 8 hours and partying for 5 hours on Chrismas, let alone staying over for 5 days at parents. lol
It’s called “moving the goalposts”
@@rasmasyean i‘d be curious to know how fresh the booster was. We know the booster gives maybe 70-80% protection from infection with Omicron after 1-2 weeks and maybe for maximally 1 month, then wanes quickly again. I‘d also would love to know how many of the people you mentioned actually developed symptoms despite the booster, vs. staying asymptomatic. Do you know?
But I agree. Boosting will likely help reduce infection for people who stay generally careful, but for most people who want to resume life, the latest 1-2 months after boosting or so, the protection from infection isn‘t high anymore. Still, I‘d rather catch Omikron tripply vaccinated than just 2x.
Great show, thank you for your unbiased information
@@RS-dq9pn That's their expertise, is it not?
Thank you everyone for your work! Have a Happy New Year!! 🎉🍾
Thanks for 2021 info! Compliment: I always feel that I’m watching a real-life, virologist “Big Bang Theory.”
Why are you calling the Stollen stolen and whom did Amy steal it from? :P
When I hear IGA I can't help thinking of the store where we went for milk. It was part of a chain of Independent Groceries Association stores.
Thanks, Vincent et al, for another year of great, grounded content!
Sorry Vincent, but the e in panettone IS pronounced by Italians in Italy. Your family must have altered pronunciation when they emigrated.
I agree. My grandma from northern Italy pronounced the "e", as did my dad every time we received one for Christmas.
Actually, just remembered my grandma spoke a mixture of Romansh (or something similar) and Italian, so maybe her pronunciation is not typical of most Italians. I seem to remember Vincent saying his family are from the south of Italy, so that might account for the difference.
LOL...with Rhino, you're best to get out of the habit of rubbing your eyes...it loves jumping down through the lacrimal ducts
Good program today.
You’re so funny Vincent 😁
Appreciate Amy's response on booster shots, as the available advice found is confusingly cautious.
Vaccines and masking ! 🙂
Thank you both .Without you we would have had to rely on "real world data"!!
Happy New Yearfrom Cape Town
Amy can cook for me any day ....I'd need to go for a trans-Australian bike ride to burn the calories for that cake though!
Hey Marco,
How'd the Pfizer poke go there in Stra'ya?? 🇨🇦 👋🏻
Sick
OMG, I would love to see Amy with her light-saber..
I really enjoy Vincent getting disgruntled at stupid takes.
I love you guys but sometimes you two are way too pedantic. Complaining about R0 is like complaining about LD50. A quick hand description of the transmissibility of a virus, in an average population in an average density in an average person, is worth measuring. Are there other factors that people need to be mindful of when looking at these numbers? Of course, however, you would never throw out the concept of LD50 because you don't know the species of mouse, the age of the mouse, the diet, and level of exercise of the animal. One would hope the factors are more are less controlled for, but you need to set a standard somewhere.
Also viruses are alive, they replicate and are subject to evolution by natural selection, all these other factors for life are just fluff.
I think somebody missed the point