A Tavern in Tilea: Michael and Alan Perry on Dogs of War
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.พ. 2024
- In this video, Michael and Alan Perry give their thoughts on sculpting the Dogs of War range for Warhammer Fantasy. Really fascinating to hear their insights on how far they could push the boundary between historical and fantasy in the setting.
Apologies for the bad audio on this one - it seems I forgot to transfer the lapel mic audio, so all I had was the room mic (which I just use for syncing, and was NOT set up for a clean recording. I tidied it up as well as I could, but I've also transcribed and added subtitles which should help.
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For me the essence of Warhammer Fantasy is exactly it’s heavy grounding and inspiration in real history, that's what makes it Warhammer! The Perry twins were a major reason behind that being it’s tone, along with Rick Priestley and many others at the studio who were heavily into history or even had a degree in it. There's one who had an archaelogy degree of the early designers but I can’t remember was it Nigel Stillman or who... The initial reason for the historical tone was that the first edition of Warhammer Fantasy was written to use the miniature range Citadel was offering at the time which was a mix of fantasy figures for DnD and other roleplaying games as well as historical miniatures for historical wargames, so that mix of both of the elements was baked in right at the start. For me it lost a lot of it’s appeal when the setting was made more fantastical starting around late 6th to early 7th edition and of course the change in miniature sculpting that happened at the same time.
These Dogs of War units are among the best Games Workshop ever released, I hope to own at least one of them some day!
Thank you for another superb video Filmdeg, you are really doing a service to those of us who are interested in the history of Warhammer and especially for those of us who write about it, these interviews are a great source of information and I'm sure I'll reference them in my future articles. Thanks again!
They wanted to work in the traditional war gaming industry that they helped, inadvertently, to destroy.
My all time hobby heroes, thanks for making this! It was a few photos of their old games room in the 90s that really pulled me into the hobby as a child.
Those modular 3d boards were incredible.
Your interviews are fantastic, lovely getting insight into the elder days of Warhammer. Thank you!
Glad you’re enjoying them!
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As a massive DoW fan, I am excited to watch this. DoW was my favourite army I collected with my admittedly limited pocket money I just wish I was able to hang on to more of the models I did have up to now.
I keep an eye out on eBay regularly and I’ll say that complete dogs of war regiments are rare af and the one ‘army’ from that era that I’ve never seen anything from selling cheap. I’m surprised nobody’s done resin proxies yet tbh.
The further GW departed from gritty historical foundations, the worse. Warhammer fantasy works best grounded in reality. Perrys and Kev Adams the absolute GOATs.
Totally agree, when it's feeling more grounded it makes the fantastical parts of the setting hit so much harder. Fantastic when the balance is achieved but man do they(GW) just not want to maintain it.
i was always disappointed they abandoned the Knightly orders of the Empire- Reiksgaurd Knights and Knights of The Blazing sun etc. Just to name them ....Empire Knights?... weird
AoS is basically a Warcraft knock off (underneath it all). Destroying the Warhammer world because it wasn’t selling was a short sighted decision. They could have found a way to move the story forward and introduce some of the AoS factions in a warhammer setting. I think what annoyed me more than anything is how how they really went to town on End Times releases knowing full well that they’d all be obsolete within a few months. Dreadful betrayal of warhammer.
@@LordoftheSith "moving the story on" is precisely the wrong way of looking at things. The world is a setting, not a narrative.
@@user-ko3tv7jl2r Yeah, never understood this "story" thing, just write your own stories and come up with your own ideas. If you are some peasant in the Empire, the Orc army that comes down from the foothills or the local necromancer raising an army of undead, and marching towards your small town somewhere in Stirland is quite apocalyptic from your point of view, even People in Altdorf will never hear of it.
What a treat. Thanks for getting these two together on camera.
Interesting to hear Nigel Stillman was interested in pushing for an Araby army book, I think Tuomas also mentioned it as being one of the projects he would have been interested in developing.
Another quality interview. Letting the subject(s) speak freely, not shortening down anything for soundbites. Really haloing flesh out the story behind Warhammer.
Ohh, I remember the Dogs of War being released and loving the eclectic range. What I particularly love is the cover art of the army book. Just fantastic! I hope The Old World comes back around to this kind of thing. Great little interview, thank you.
I loved my Dogs army! I got a box of everything (almost) given to my when I worked there. When the store got new models/units they had to be painted up and put in the display case for a week or month or what ever then we got to keep them. No one wanted to do Dogs at the time so I was like heck ya let me have a go! The Pikemen really shined!
Oooft that’s awesome! They’re such a unique looking army
Your channel came out of nowhere and produces amazing interviews every time. Thanks for your work!
Love this army. The white dwarf it was featured in where they ran the battle report was my first WD ever. Great memories. Thanks for the interview.
These are such fantastic interviews you’ve been doing, so many great insights. Thank you for doing them! A couple of good mics would really take them to the next level.
I love the way the oldhammer tone always had historical detail (and not just obvious detail but some quite niche things), it really adds to the texture and grittiness of the world. Alongside the fantasy elements its just perfect for me - when warhammer lost that it just became so much more generic and less visually interesting.
Their 90's Dogs of War Stuff was when GW's Minis went next level along with the Perry's Bravo! Those proportions still are most pleasing today!
Thanks is always a pleasure to ear talking about Dogs of War and Tilea, I hope to see them again in Warhammer the Old World and Warhammer Total War.
Bronzio's Galloper Guns are still one of my all-time favourites.
I adored this range and army.
really hope these guys write a book, or do a video series on sculpting one of these days
I was fascinated by these ranges when they came out. Something about the blocks of pikes was so impactful
I loved my cursed company. Undead mercenaries rule.🖤💀
Ha yea! They’re such a wicked unit
Right back to The Nightmare Legion from the older Regiments of Renown.
DoW have always been my favorite WHFB line. All the units have such character. Shame GW didn't continue on with them.
Thanks for the Steel Legion!
Guys- audio quality is addressed in the description. I’m certain nothing you can say hasn’t already gone through the content maker’s head. Things happen, and he’s done his best to mitigate. Now just enjoy content that we did nothing to create, but get to enjoy.
Yay :), keep em coming :)
While I started with wood elves in 1997 but quickly transitioned to Lizardmen, and had a very limited budget to spend on GW addictives at the time, I only managed to get me one set of Dogs of War models: Tichi Huichi's horned one raiders, back when the lore stated that Sauruses were too sluggish and mentally inflexible to ride anything and only skinks could serve as cavalry on cold ones or horned ones, the latter written as a more vicious and clever sub-species of cold one that when accepting a rider worthy of not eating, they removed the "stupidity" flaw of cold one models in the same formation where cold one riders otherwise had to roll Ld-tests each start of turn outside melee combat to maintain control of the mounts, similiar how trolls used to work.
A friend who introduced me to the TTwargame addiction had, iirc, both the Marksmen of Miragliano and Rico's Republican guard (the latter a more Dutch/Lanzknecht style of pikemen) supplementing his Empire army as detatchments.
I loved both the DoW models and the mercenary concept.
My favourite DoW formation however, were the all-species skeleton unit 😂
Caslon Antique will always grab my attention!
These were my favourite GW miniatures
I remember the DoW book was shot full of jokes about popular ads at the time - from the Weetabix jingle to a crack about the man from Del Monte.
ouch the sound... I love hearing from these guys. We know the Perry brothers as this was back when gw used to name the sculptors. If there are any twins working for gw now, we will never know. Did you also interview them on what they are doing now and their involvement in the lord of the rings films?
They have their own historical range called Perry Miniatures. They still do living history, mainly Tudors plus some Medieval mainly in Switzerland with the Embletons.
Did the Perry's do the Halfing Hotpot? Because that was a glorious miniature (that you could include in any army).
According to the Lost Minis Wiki, Alan made it (though, if memory serves, it was an Empire unit, not a universal one).
Will we have the slayer pirates in a next video ?
Another great interview. Personally thought the audio was fine.
I hope you guys "re-release" the DoW range on your own lines, I would love to have these guys in my own hands
@Filmdeg Miniatures: Can I credit your interview and using its info to add this information in the Warhammer Wiki?
Sure!
I played the 6th edition WD list all the way to 8th Edition when i left the hobby.
My favorite Perry sculpted Citadel miniatures
Brilliant! NB, the name at 3:40 is the legendary Tom Meier, not Tom White.
Ah my bad! Thanks for the correction
DoW are one of my favourite armies (having an army of them too), since not only are the miniatures gorgeous, but allow you to field and army made of different races; from humans with pikes and crossbows to drunk sailor dwarves, ogres, greenskins, halflings, giants, etc...
Yea! They’re a great blend of historical with that early days comedy of Warhammer Fantasy
@@Filmdegminiatures Who can forget the silly puns and tongue in cheek tone of the whole book? Special mention to the Tilean explorer Luka Huaraugoin, whose surname has to be read out loud
@@Filmdegminiatures Yes, they were something of a throwback even when they were released.
Hoping to see DoW in Total War Warhammer soon!!
Yea that’d be awesome wouldn’t it? Would love to see the birdmen and galloper gun!
I wonder if the Perry Twins militeria collectors items are reproduction or authentic? Either way it's pretty darn cool. I had The Alcatani Fellowship!
I couldn’t tell you which is which, but I do know most of them (if not all) are authentic.
Wow!
They do some high end living history with people like Gerry Embleton, plus one of their wives is Ninya Mikela who (literally) wrote the book on recreating Renaissance (Tudor) clothing, she makes costumes for the Royal Palaces, etc. plus yes they have quite a collection of real historical artifacts.
Thank you, that's interesting, indeed! I found this: "The Tudor Tailor Reconstructing Sixteenth-Century Dress by Mikhaila, Ninya". Thanks for the reply!
Like the video before watching.the topic is already amazing
Somebody definitely was pushing for the araby army because they did get in to warmaster.
It seems that the Dogs of War were not really a Perry's creation, at least for the general concept. If only you could interview Nigel Stillman... I know he's a postman somewhere in England or so I have heard
You're interviewing such marvelous people and thank you for that - but the audio really needs a quality boost. A decent lav mic is a tenner, would be so amazing if these interviews were captured with improved audio for posterity.
This is covered in the description
The leopard skin has got to be influenced by Roman Aquilifer, right?
Possibly that was one of the influences, but one of the images that really cemented Warhammer's 'look' was a John Blanche art piece of a Knight Panther trekking across a desolate wasteland. There's a Georgian epic poem from the 12th or 13th century called 'The Knight in the Panther's Skin', which was THE chivalric romance of Georgian culture, which might be where that comes from.
they should really sculpts some new ones
I really want a new Dog of War army. It's a shsme GW dropped the concept.
why is it so short?
I wish that I could hear what they were saying.