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00:25 - FXT Viper Goggles: goo.gl/MWR7Wq
03:48 - $10 motor: goo.gl/jqEqpT
07:32 - $10 motors flight video
08:35 - Why this is my favorite quad now
09:53 - FC/Vtx combo: goo.gl/S5usqK
11:10 - $28 6S 4in1: goo.gl/e199u4
12:50 - $28 4in1 ESC Flight video
15:00 - Caddx SDR1: goo.gl/fqTeSH
15:49 - Caddx SDR1 vs Micro Eagle
17:41 - RunCam onboard DVR/brightness issue
19:30 - RunCam DVR Overview
Yes you can fix the blue-green tint of the Caddx SDR1 in settings. Also if you turn the sharpening down, it looks equally as detailed as the Micro Eagle. The Caddx SDR1 is now my preferred camera with the resolution of the Eagle and the HDR of the Predator but not so exaggerated.
Caddx SDR1
goo.gl/fqTeSH
Most popular Goggle product I've seen. Generally considered a good value.
Eachine EV800
goo.gl/Ajq4f3
FXT Viper Goggles
goo.gl/MWR7Wq
DYS Wei 2207
2600kv 5" 4S, 2300kv 5" 5S or 6" 4S
goo.gl/jqEqpT, goo.gl/HTwYeu
Anniversary Special Edition Racerstar REV35 35A BLheli_S 3-6S 4 In 1
goo.gl/QE2YQ3
Looks like that same ESC, $3 less
goo.gl/e199u4
The FC/Vtx combo
goo.gl/S5usqK
Runcam DVR
goo.gl/cW94R7
HMDVR I keep comparing the RunCam DVR to
goo.gl/DoW6bD
Video with the HMDVR: goo.gl/uNyy7T
The TPU antenna holder on the back of my frame
goo.gl/UT3fPL
Brain3D GoPro/ND filter mount
goo.gl/yPfLEY
This backpack is awful. Don't get it.
goo.gl/e986ct
This is what I used for the controller view. Chest gopro holder. It's actually pretty decent quality. I wasn't expecting it to be very good.
bit.ly/2strbYk
FlosStyle frame
goo.gl/22NGYX
The FPV cam mount I'm using (27mm spacing for FlosStyle)
goo.gl/Mck8A8
Tips?
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Table of Contents
00:25 - FXT Viper Goggles: goo.gl/MWR7Wq
03:48 - $10 motor: goo.gl/jqEqpT
07:32 - $10 motors flight video
08:35 - Why this is my favorite quad now
09:53 - FC/Vtx combo: goo.gl/S5usqK
11:10 - $28 6S 4in1: goo.gl/e199u4
12:50 - $28 4in1 ESC Flight video
15:00 - Caddx SDR1: goo.gl/fqTeSH
15:49 - Caddx SDR1 vs Micro Eagle
17:41 - RunCam onboard DVR/brightness issue
19:30 - RunCam DVR Overview
Yes you can fix the blue-green tint of the Caddx SDR1 in settings. Also if you turn the sharpening down, it looks equally as detailed as the Micro Eagle. The Caddx SDR1 is now my preferred camera with the resolution of the Eagle and the HDR of the Predator but not so exaggerated.
Caddx SDR1
goo.gl/fqTeSH
Most popular Goggle product I've seen. Generally considered a good value.
Eachine EV800
goo.gl/Ajq4f3
FXT Viper Goggles
goo.gl/MWR7Wq
DYS Wei 2207
2600kv 5" 4S, 2300kv 5" 5S or 6" 4S
goo.gl/jqEqpT, goo.gl/HTwYeu
Anniversary Special Edition Racerstar REV35 35A BLheli_S 3-6S 4 In 1
goo.gl/QE2YQ3
Looks like that same ESC, $3 less
goo.gl/e199u4
The FC/Vtx combo
goo.gl/S5usqK
Runcam DVR
goo.gl/cW94R7
HMDVR I keep comparing the RunCam DVR to
goo.gl/DoW6bD
Video with the HMDVR: goo.gl/uNyy7T
The TPU antenna holder on the back of my frame
goo.gl/UT3fPL
Brain3D GoPro/ND filter mount
goo.gl/yPfLEY
This backpack is awful. Don't get it.
goo.gl/e986ct
This is what I used for the controller view. Chest gopro holder. It's actually pretty decent quality. I wasn't expecting it to be very good.
bit.ly/2strbYk
FlosStyle frame
goo.gl/22NGYX
Tips?
Bitcoin: 1E4XZXoD4rS6MYWVWuenY7Kw2M1YgyNpoQ
Nano: xrb_1188ek5bd7tb9kw67asnp9o65byuoaxbtpxuznx1ribf75x78awywmakj55f
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Thanks for sharing this bud. Very helpful and informative. I appreciate it because I'm looking to build a cheap 5" and I don't wanna spend too much where I don't need to.
"Not the worst.....Not the Best!....but pretty good". Your famous words. lol. Thanks for the hard work and great content. Also, your getting super good man. Your skills have really improved. Not the best...not the worst...but pretty freaking good.
lol, I'm alright. I can guide a quad relatively alright around a field.
i love these 20 min videos, good for my breakfast lol
Doc you spew Soooo much valuable information that you make me glad for the Video speed setting in you tube ! I now have to rush to your channel and see what I can learn on PID tuning. Your choice of flight locations is inspiring. I am longing for the courage to get out of my open fields and hit a few select spots I have noticed. Thank you again for your contribution ! Seriously And Remember to floss kids !
I haven't done a PID tuning part 2 video because I'm waiting for tuning to just go away. It's an awful thing I've never been able to get down and I'm not convinced anyone else has either. Dynamic PIDs will come sometime in the future for sure. It's being worked on right now.
Love the video bro. Your vids are always extremely informative and amazingly accessible. Personally, I’m new to this, I’ve only been flying for a few months and you’re one of my top 3 sources for product review. And I love your prox flights. Please keep making videos, they’re greatly appreciated!! 🤙
Thank you very much. Just keep flying! And tell all your friends too!
Those dodgy goggles are my daily driver. They are really comfortable and allow me to wear my prescription glasses inside. Reception is good, form factor is humongous. Other than that, I modified the power cord so I can stuff an old big 3s 4Ah battery in my pocket. Cheap and cheerful set of goggles.
The dog charging the downed quad is hilarious. Thankfully the clueless dog and his owner were unharmed. These flying things are magnets for curious animals.
Love your little tech talks, very informative!
I've been running the SDR1 for quite sometime, great camera the best I've flown. They've got an SDR2 out now from Caddx us, it has improved res and less latency.
No clue what I was missing. Can't believe this isn't more popular.
This video answered all of the questions I had about the motors the camera the esc and the dvr recorder thank you for the great vid
Great video and I have a couple of questions I hope you can help me with. I'm used to editing footage from GoPro cameras but the new ones are too heavy so I've been looking into these smaller cams. First, when you're flying around at 14:00, which camera is that? I noticed you video on TH-cam is 720p (1280x720) and you're showing the actual size of the footage from the SDR1 at 18:00. I just got a Caddx SDR1 and I'm also impressed with it on my FPV monitor, but I'm not impressed once I upload it to TH-cam. Are you rendering the 720x480 footage from the SDR1 to 1280x720 before you upload to TH-cam? or something else? Thanks!!
I'm using the crappy 640x480 footage from my DVR. Nothing special. I might enlarge it on the video before rendering the final video but that's all.
Thanks for the quick reply! So the footage at 14:00 is originally from the 640x480 DVR? It seems like TH-cam likes video output at 1280x720 better than if you output it at 720x480.
Yes that's just DVR Direct
It's always nice to see, that the hobby gets more and more afordable everyday!!! And it's good to see, that you give it a try and test it, to underline, cheap products are good and worth the while (not perfect, but we all upgrade at one point in time anyway)
While there is for quiet some time multiple professional racing leagues, we don't really see products, which are targeted for professionals. (The best of the best components) It still feels like, we are walking behind, using less quality components. We are still using analog video transmission (because it is cheap and light), even on the goggle side is not a "real professional" pair out... everything is more based towards hobbyist.
Which is fine, but every hobbyist upgrades to more expensive stuff. It doesn't matter which hobby it is. If you really like your hobby, you spend more money, to bring your experience to the next level. Even if you are not a big racer or a social media freestyle guru.
Thank you for your thoughts those components ;)
Dude I'm with you 100000% and it's shocking that more people don't see it this way either. I dunno how the entire community just tolerates fatshark and nothing even remotely better or even comparable has come around. It's painful.
I loved this video primarily because I love good and cheap components. Im very happy you approve that 4in1 because many people say its crap and noisy and that's why I've never got one despite it being so cheap compared to anything with similar specs out there.
For some reason I don't fancy them DYS motors, but I am very curious to see how the new RCX line of economy motors would compare. The RCX 2207's cost the same but look better quality. Please test them for us, sir.
Hey bob, when you say the esc's use recyled components, do you mean the ones that are rejected on smd pick and place machines or they are actually pulled off other non working products? cheers
No I mean they take old electronics, pull all the components off and reuse them. Literal recycling electronic waste. It's a huge industry in China. The processors on our FC's may have been from a toaster or refrigerator or something.
Oh wow i had no idea. I assumed that they were just using fakes with underrated specs. I wonder if passive components such as capacitors are recycled too, since they are pretty cheap as is.(tantulum caps probably recycled no doubt due to high cost).
On another note, with the esc, did you get the inbuilt current sensor working, i have 2 racerstar versions of the esc and wondering if its worth setting up?
I laughed so hard about that barking thing after your "landing"
Others would make a 30+ min video about these motors alone, and 15+ min videos on the other items :-D
what settings do you run on betaflight to gain tons of inverted time? when i put my drone on inverted is too short. my settings on betaflight is pt1 + stage 2 lowpass 150 + all notches off on pt1 + no dinamic filter and no antigravity... pid tuning stock
Lol where? That has nothing to do with settings. It's just timing. Invert at the right time, let go of the sticks then revert at the right time...just experience.
Have you tried the Runcam Micro Swift 3? I’d like to know your thoughts. I have dominator v3s and I’m using the micro Eagle right now bc I like the 16:9 format, but I’m having issues you mentioned with the predator and the cmos light handling as I go under trees.
I used to use 16:9 cmaera for my Dom V3 too but I found that I greatly prefer 4:3 still. The new runcam Swift with the big lens is almost identical to the original one.
Hi Kebab, what are the spacers you are using between the ESC and FC? Are they softmounts?
Spaces? I just use plastic washers.
thanks for your thoughts, Bob. Too late, though. already used a pair of them on a pair of FlosStyle builds. haven't flown them yet. Fingers crossed. Oh well, have two other pairs of ESCs on order, from Drone Mesh 's list of top ESCs, if the Hobbywings blow. when are you publishing your list?
40 plus packs flown with these, only had to change a bell once from a 30 foot drop that landed directly on motor
I think you are the only person that hasn't had a unify die, besides me, but i've never used one. Did you bend that mmcx connector or did it come like that? If that dvr could save when you unplug the battery like the split, then i'd probably build it into my quads.
Yeah I told runcam they need to make it save all the time and then it'll sell well. I bent the mmcx wire. I know it's awful. Sorry.
mooosestang the only Unify’s that have ever killed have been my fault except one 5volt reg
On the non HV one.
Usually with me is ripping the ipex pad off. Then I solder to the little SMD cap. I am still flying HV’s from over 2 years ago.
I just didn't know they could bend like that. Yeah, the split auto record and save has been flawless for me, i never use the buttons.
The dog thinks it's a UFO crash at Rosewell.
The unifry is Bulletproof? I've only done two and both burned out and weren't working right out of the box
I've yet to have one fail for any reason other than my own crashing to the point of destruction. It's usually one of the last things to go on my quads.
A video from you that I Like very much! :D Previously I "criticised" you for only using high grade stuff and I had the impression that you just didn't want to like the cheap (or cheapest) stuff. Of course more expensive stuff in general performs better but you can also have fun with for example the 7 dollar Racerstar motors. But happy to see that you've found a very good balance between price and performance ^^
And that doggo made me laugh so hard xD
I always like the budget stuff but they often give poor experiences. Things have gotten a lot cheaper and better however.
Bob, is there a blheli_32 4n1 that you would put in the same catagory as the $28 blheli_s 4n1?
unfortunately once you go to BL32, you need to pay royalties to blheli and it becomes much more expensive.
Great video , informative and honest . I am just about to try the Caddx SDR1 , when it arrives .
Love SDR1, only thing that sucked was the "fake" 16:9. I run at a 45-55 angle, and it was annoying how little I saw. Went to 4:3, and suddenly it was better. Camera Control works (on Radix at least), but only scrolling up. Unfortunately, sometimes saving settings causes it to reset...but there isn't much to change.
Hey Kabab, I have some of the Hyperlite 2207 2522kv team edition motors, and whatever I run them on they all get hot. No matter whether I fly them, Idle them, connect them to butterflight and use the motors tab to run them, or use them on a completely different setup. I already tried using different motors on both setups and even though they are cheap, completely broken Racerstar motors, they don't even get warm vs the Hyperlites which get too hot to touch in 2 mins of "flight", they get hotter quicker on the bench. Do you know why this might be happening? (bad batch, winding coating problems, etc.)
You likely have some weird vibration issues. And hot is a relative term. If it gets warm that's fine. It shouldn't be so hot that you can't grip the motor in hand after a flight. If it's 100deg out of course it'll get hotter. But anything less is fine.
Kabab FPV Alright, I'm going to get the DYS motors you were talking about and fly those until I get used to flying again. Thanks!
hey Bob, has the time frame changed on the 6" flosstyle frame do you know? need a frame hoping I don't miss the summer. appologize for pestering you about it. thanks again
no it's the same, just longer arms. And we're waiting for a carbon shipment to come in too.
Kabab FPV hey Bob, I was asking if the time frame change. you said two weeks or so. was hoping it was still on track for two weeks. you did modify the 6/7" flosstyle arms from the regular 7" floss arms did you not? you were saying there was some tweaks you were doing. thanks for your help
Hi Kabab, thx for the video, very interresting, as usual, what is the pagoda u used on this video ? is it good ? i'm searching for a "stubby" :)
it's an ORT. I'm actually not sure where they're sold but there are many stubby options.
Thanks :)) For all your support and what you make for the community, really ! Just another thing, do you think the HQ 5.1x4.6 can be used on a normal shaft ? not a Popo one
Hoping you could help??:) Love your videos. I bought the super-s f3 16x16 stack. This is my first micro and I'm wondering if it's normal not to get motor beeps for power or signal. Using dys 10,000 KV?
I can't get the motors to spin in BF. esc's and FC seem fine, so I was going to build it before I try to arm. Didn't want to bother if the motors/escs aren't working. Thx!!!!!!
Well I can't really help when all I know is the motors aren't working. Did you wire in the ESC board to the FC correctly? Did you solder the motors onto the ESC board?
where's the wiring for the Rcharlance 4in1 esc? i can't find it on the product page. was it included in the package?
Yeah something is included but I think I used another wire that was appropriate length. The one included only has one connector and bare ends on the other side.
Kabab FPV ah great, i actually meant the wiring schematic - is that included as well?
Lol.. I have been sitting on my RacerStar 35A 4in1 for a loong time and because of your first video on it I decided to build around it an git it a try!! Yesterday was the first time I flew it. I have around 6 packs😏
Are both the top plate and bottom plate the same on this frame? If so I wonder how top mounted arms would feel
yep. Both the same. I don't think anyone has done that yet
Kabab FPV it'd be interesting to see how it handles... If I didn't need to buy new motor bells n props I'd buy the frame and try it out myself 😜
Just making a new 5" build, problem i am having is diagonal lines on the vtx. The fc is a Omnibus F4 Pro Corner F4 Flight Controller AIO OSD PDB BEC Current Sensor MPU6000 IMU Version
The vtx is EXUAV VTX PRO 5.8G
I have connected the video to the fc vid in and vid out
I also have a V2.0 470uf Anti-interference Parallel Capacitor Plate
Any suggestions on how to stop this ?
Try putting a cap directly on the 5v going to the camera.
What motors do you preferred now a days? Lookin for a durable, reliable 2207. I was hoping something with a 4x9x4 bearing (ezo)
I've got the RCX LS2207 on the way. Looking forward to them. They hit ALL the right points. And I do mean ALL. $10 price before shipping. Usually shipping will add maybe a dollar per motor depending on quantity.
2400kv or 2700kv?
2400kv. It's actually 2500kv so it's just right
so, i kind of need a new fpv system for my 5". i'll probably go with the micro eagle or full size, but haven't decided on a vtx yet. reason for me asking under this video is because i would like it to be a bit of a budget friendly build. any recommendations?
The most budget friendly Vtx in existence that's still got pretty surprising reliability is the Eachine Vtx03. It's $9 I believe
@@Kabab alrighty, thank you very much :)
I actually have this esc still going strong on my first build, the one in my photo. It's outlasted two FC's, and has been doing great for about a year now.
Hi kabab, I'm looking into upgrading my motors. I have a rooster with an all black scheme on it. As childish and dumb this sounds, I am looking at darker or silver colored motors. What's your thoughts on the hypetrain motors? Could you recommend other motors? Thank you!
I'm generally not a fan of the 2306 size but the tmotor f40 pro (which is all the Hypetrain is) is known as a very good motor. I would sooner recommend the rcx 2207 2400kv motors however. They're also less than half the price and come in black.
Kabab FPV awesome. I'll look into the rcx motors
LOL! at 9:22 your quad got attacked by Fizzgig from The Dark Crystal!
That antenna 3d part is awesome! Can i get the stl file or a link in thingiverse?
And, can I mount the runcam dvr in the toothpick? Will it be too big for it?
Also, do you still recommend the dys wei as a budget motor? The footage looks amazing, man
Please answer me!
Thanks
Check out brain 3D
I would stay away from those motors now. Looks at the x i n g motors
KababFPV
Oh you bought it?
KababFPV
And can i mount the runcam dvr in the toothpick?
These things are like bikes for me, i flew for the first time in months and i still fly well and keep up the good work bob :)
Hey bob love the vid. Which would you pick out of the following three esc's: hobbywing 4 in 1, ak32, or bolt32?
ak32 no contest. I haven't used the bolt32 but I've used another rebrand of it. It's fine but I've had fewer issues with the aikon
Kabab FPV ok thanks. Appreciate your opinion. It looks like an ak32 is going in my flosstyle.
Yaaayyy see these motors are great :) my chameleon build with these and a kakute v2 with blheli32 30a escs a runcam sparrow and 800mw smart audio is my fave freestyle build! I’m glad you like them! Spend $2 a motor on bearings and they truly shine :)
Mini Quads Mega Fun what do you mean with "spend 2$ a motor". I own this motor and I like to know if there's a way to improove. Thanks in advance.
At $12 ($10 motor + $2 bearings), I'm pretty sure there's another much better motor for this price. RCX LS series for example.
I watched a video about replacing the bearings. now I get it. Thanks.
Labs you can now buy bells and stators for these motors... these are now truly the king of the budget motor kingdom!!
Hi kabab which dys samguk would you recommend for racing and freestyle 2207 or 2306? thnks!
I would expect 2306 to be better but the best racers in the world prefer 2207. The taller stator has better throttle control and better high speed throttle management. 2306 is more efficient and better PID control. So it's really up to you.
Hey Bob: Some of us in Northern climates have to use simulators such as Velocidrone to supplement our stick/flight times. If you ever get a chance to try the excellent Velocidrone, us fans of your build and flight styles would really appreciate your input on settings which most closely approximate your average builds with the Flosstyle frame. In particular, I would love to know what combo of predefined quad model and quad settings come closest. E.G., Mr Steele has put out his recommended settings which approximate his quad.
Do u have a link to the micro camera mount? Thanks enjoyed the video 👍🏼
It's on brain3d.co
Caddx sdr1 is my favourite camera atm. Can you do a video on how to change the options you mention in the description, and include a before/after dvr footage?
Well you just go into the menus and change the sharpness options. That's all I did. Oh I also made it less blue-green tint. But I did all that after recording this video.
Oh i understood about the sharpness adjustment, but I was wondering about the white balance colour changes I see when the camera transitions from horizontal flight to facing the ground - I see the colour of trees and grass change from rich green to blue-green.
Great review! Where do you get those fpv cam mounts your using on the flosstyle?
It's from Brain3d.co but I can't seem to find it on the site. I just asked him if it's on the site.
Found it. You want the 27mm or 31mm spacing for whatever frame you're running:
www.brain3d.co/products/hyperfloss-hyperlite-evo-micro-fpv-cam-mount
Cool, thank you!
Does the cheap Rcharlance 35A 4in1 have a BEC to power the flight controller? It says Fc power is integrated, does this mean it has a BEC and I can power my vtx/fpv cam/rx through it from my flighcontroller?
No I don't believe it does. You'll need an FC that can take full volts.
Kabab FPV thanks!
FXT Vipers have been the best ones Ive ever used. Great Feed 👍
I bought a bunch of the Samguk motors when Stewart did his review, they sold out everywhere instantly. I use the 2300kv on 5s with no problem, I also installed Boca Bearings for $1 each. Now they will sell out again THANKS!
p.s. ok I finally subscribed
Try the rcx LS2207 2400kv. That's what I'm getting next. RCX has always been the budget king.
The stock bearings are easy to remove just put a small screw driver through the top bearing and tap it.
10 pack for $10 shhhh don't tell anyone.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GGQ4JEK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@kabab fpv
I have the rcharlance 4in1esc for 28dollar. But can you say me how you wiring it on the fc plz? I dont can find a wiringplan.
Thx simon
I think there's one on the banggood page.
That was one angry miniature bear :D
Have you ever tried fpvmodel's dragonfly 2207s? They're $52 for a 4 pack with free shipping, and they blew my mind. Miniquadtestbench scores were amazing. They're on par with my northaero typhoons, the paper thin plastic skirt to shield the windings from long motor screws is thoughtfully, as well as the teeth on the top of the Bell to grip props. I'm surprised no one talks about them.
They're the BBB 2207 at an introductory price. Fantastic motors.
Kabab FPV really. Omg great discovery!
what frame rate does the FXT goggle screen dvr thing record at?
Same as any other DVR. 24.95fps
ahh, thanks👍
What props do you use in this video? hq5043?
HQ 5.1x4.6x3
I have more gone through 6 - 8 builds on your flosstyle platform with different combinations and permutations of vtx, esc, motors;
several that you have reviewed. More experienced and opinionated now. would really love to see your ranked list of recommended hardware. any chance your recommended list is coming out soon?
Working on that video today
Thanks Bob, really in depth video as usual and the dog attack was brilliant 🤣
if you dont wanna spend 35ish$ for the SD1.. go for the turbo S1 i just love it and cost 25$!! also i tested the Racerstar 35A 4in1 its exactly the same board but i think it very week and in any time soon its going to be stop working don't know.. i stay with HakRC 30-35a escs very nice budget escs!!
fpv camera manufactures need to redesign that connector that sticks vertically out of the back of the camera. it's so dumb, and always gets in the way in tight builds. usually pushes against the flight controller and makes it hard to adjust. so much improvements can be done there
Always. So annoying.
hc 100 so, on the up side?
yes
It's a board camera, so just de-solder the header socket and solder your conductors on directly. Problem solved!
Would there be a difference between these dys motors and the le drib hype train motors
Lol. I'll take the dys. I'm not a fan of 2306
Kabab FPV are the dys storm 2207 2300kv motors better than the 10$ motors
FXT Viper Goggles in fact are a all-in-one nice solution for occasional fellow pilots like flying kids who came to fly with you at weekend and as demo thing for bystanders. can be transformed to small ground station monitor and have DVR built-in which is more than nice. Guys who require glasses told that thin glasses actually fits in Viper quite nice as well.
DYS Samguk motors was the worst disappointment for me at this year. Very cheap and have a very nice performance when they are new. But crappy bearings and soft shaft turn using of these motors into a nightmare fast. Bearings became worn after 2 weeks of frequent flying. Deteriorating accelerates after first crashes. Falling upside down wit impact on shaft against hard surface will bend their thin shafts which actually happened with me: after a month of using Wei 2207 after Betaflight update during noise testing quad fell from 2 meter height upside down on laminated floor and Wei got a bent shaft. I threw those crap motors out without remorse.
Airbot Titan v1 4-in-1 ESC seems cloned by a numerous manufacturers already. It is Ok, although must be used with caution. Using it without cooling at both sides ended with ESC fire which damaged other parts in quad in a bad way.
Have an incoming Micro Eagle now and I'm eager to test it soon :) Want to see how good it is in sunset (yep, still have a free time for flying only at end of working days).
The esc is also sold as a racerstar and i use it and its honestly a awesome esc on 6s. I have been beating it to death and its still going
i have used several of those 4n1s and i am still using them and they are great!!!
I've heard good things about the esc your using in this build. Cheap and it works. It's like the racerstar 20a 4n1 that I have. The thing just works. Heck mine is the old version with the bb1 chip and it still works after 10 hard months of bashing it around. But I'm working on a few builds now and looking for more good but cheap components. I'm definitely going to have to check this esc and motors out.
my thrasher practice quad has the red dys motors i love them they are grindy sounding out of the box!! but the performance is satisfactory for me! they just keep going! so i keep flying ...i bought 8 of them! im still using the first 4!...and their fast too! seriously! i have some cheap ESC and the hyperlite f4 stripped down model and caddx cam akk vtx on a eachine wizard 5" frame! i love it!..
Love your flying and one of my fav channels. Nice one mate
Building your "Cheap n good build". Seems like a good idea. Very straightforward. Going well, considering its my first full size quad build. So what is its longevity so far, from your experience? I'm particularly interested in the longevity of the DYS motors and the vtx component of the sakura FC.
The motors and FC are working fine. The 4in1 however went up in flames unfortunately. If you don't bang up the motors too much they'll hold up just fine. It was a pretty unusual crash that caused the 4in1 to light up...
Sounds good. Thanks for that. almost ready for maiden flgiht. Can't wait. Built a pair concurrently, for efficiency. Knowing your philosophy re PIDs, I assume you left the PIDs stock, and adjusted the Setpoint weight and transition ?
Ho Jen yep. Default PIDs are good.
I really like the eachine DVr because you can actually increase the bitrate and resolution in the menu to 1280x720 and around 22000 kbps and it looks substantially better than fat shark dvr. I noticed that the compression squares were smaller on the eachine than fat shark.
I don't know what it is but I can't get use to flying the sdr1, I don't know if it has more latency or is the FOV is just to much that I'm use to
Nothing is for everyone
I love everything about it personally, except 16:9, as I use Dom V3.
You should definitely check out the RCX LS2207 motors, they are same price at 10$ yet use 7075 aluminum, much better bearings, 4mm one piece hollow hardened steel shaft (they actually say its titanium but i dont believe it) , arc magnets and they perform much better on the bench while still being quite efficient.
Arsalan Tavallali yeah, they are awesome budget motors.
Yep. RCX is the king of value. Has always been. I have both versions on the way. The LS and the NK.
Kabab FPV nice! Really looking forward to hear your opinion on them. Keep up the good work.
NK2207 is $14, is the LS2207 only $10??
Aditya Ramachandran NK is 15$ LS is 10$
The runcam dvr can record on 16:9 caméra?
Yes. You just need to stretch it out in post if you want it to be 16:9
Ah ok i got an ev100 av DVR but it not work let's try to replace it for runcam DVR..
can the oblivion use a micro cam and or a Mini ??
I think it'll take any size. Full size to micro with an adapter.
I have been using that 4in1 esc at the $28 price for 8 months now. Great product at the price
Your take on the SDR1 vs. the Micro Eagle roughly matches mine. One thing I noticed, though, is that I preferred the SDR1 with my HD3s but when I got my HDOs my opinion flipped. The SDR1 is actually *too* bright in the HDOs. This is on stock settings for both (except dropping sharpness a little on the Eagle). I need to play with settings a little, as I suspect some brightness tweaks will fix the issue with the SDR1.
There is a brightness option on the sdr1. Works quite well. I turned mine down a point after recording this too. I also turned the sharpening off.
I figured there was, I've just been too lazy get out the little controller and actually change it.
I love this camera (i got the mini version of it) i put it on a cheap build and now I don't wanna fly my more expensive build anymore 😆 because that image is so nice (and jes your right it sucks at low light)
most of the hyperlite motors come pre-broken, even the new 2408.5 motors I got two that have bad bearings out of the box. I've still yet to receive replacements I was promised ages ago.
Sick flying ! What settings on the seasion ?
I run default settings on the dobro usually with an ND filter these days
Great vid will consider the esc as I want to build a new acro rig soon. What do you think of the quad racer equilibrium?
Similar to your quads but for me they are based in aus so it’s fast shipping and cheap!!
Looks good but the price is quite steep. I hope it's cheaper over there.
Kabab FPV yeah stuff it I’ll just get yours ;P
Have you seen any of the 909 FPV 10” freestyle and 8” freestyle videos?
Yeah. Quite impressive
@kebab FPV I chucked the DYS motors on My old Tyrant which is a bash around quad and they seem to run great. One was grinding before first flight and i found a c clip stuck in the magnets lol......other then that they seem to be surviving just fine.
Lol how did that get there
Kabab FPV You tell me lol I have no idea. Maybe during the motor swap out. From vids I've seen in the factory there is no chance from there. Maybe during packaging. All I know is that I got it out with tweezers and runs fine.
Hello. Going to do a build based on your setup. What is currently your favourite props for this rig ?
See my latest video. I would highly recommend the rcx LS2207 2400kv over these days morors and I absolutely love the tmotor 5143 prop.
Thanks, Kabab. I'm a fan of your flight style, so I really appreciate your RECENT discussions on modern PID tuning. Going to try to emulate your build as close as possible, including the programming. As a fellow health professional, I'm guessing that some of your more practical approaches (PID tuning, hardware selection, etc) must partially come from your dentistry training and practice ?
tried the 5143 props on the Hawk5, and didn't like the underpowered feeling. But tried these props again on this build (FlosStyle, DYS motors, cheap FC/vtx and cheap ESC), and now see why you like them. Thanks for the recommendation. Agree that you can really feel that extra resolution of stick movement with these lighter props. Are they still your favourite props for this specific build? Also, how far did you drop your Setpoint Weights for this build?
Ho Jen it's likely due to the low kv of the motors on that quad. I think they're 2300kv? These props are best on at least 2450kv up to 2600kv
upped the min throttle % for this build to 6, from the default of 4.5. Also upped the default RC rates to somewhat match yours. WoW !. I feel what you mean by "butter..." My acro maneuvers still look amateurish and rough, but at least the quad doesn't feel like its going to crash or fall out of the sky, unless I REALLY screw up. Has so much more natural hang time...Thanks for all your suggestions, from the materials to the cheap motors, to the fine tuning. I owe you big time for all this fun....
Thanks for sharing your experiences :-)
This video is kinda old, so I guess I won't get an answer, but I will try anyway:
Why did you choose 2600kV? And when should one go for 2600kV instead of, for example, 2300kV?
Try pirofliprc.com or one of the many other fpv product sites. There are many many motor options now
Kabab FPV i probably wasn't clear with my question, but my doubt is related with kV and how to pick "the right kV" - even though I understand that it's all preference. For example, 2300kV seems to be a common choice of kV for a lot of people.
On the other hand, you decided to go with 2600kV, why? And what are the implications with choosing high kV?
More useful information 😁 thanks for your effort in testing all this stuff👍
What is the timing of this motor? Which is the most optimum one?
I haven't changed motor timing from default in two years.
Good to see you ended up getting into the Caddx ccd's :)
They're CMOS. Not CCD but yeah, much better
Haven't tried but would expect the SDR1 to perform well in low light too.
They use the Sony starvis sensor advertised for ultra-low light use.
It is horrible in low light. Not counting noise that I have in my feed, of which I want to fix, night is VERY grainy. Lights seem to blind you out, at least in full BW mode, as my micro swift does okay transitioning to color when I fly around lights in the night. Lowering brightness makes a lighted night area flyable, but where there is no light at all, you can't see a thing
The bell and shaft are more durable than you think kabab. Mine are 30 packs in with 2 big crashes and I have no run out on the shaft and the bells are still perfectly round
I've noticed in many many motors I've used that curved magnets might be the weak point of a motor. The air gap it tighter throughout the whole magnet. But on a strait magnet the center of the magnet has a very small air gap. I just tried some new hawksky 1507's with curved magnets and they perform substantially worse in power and efficiency. I think that is due to the magnets being not as strong because a curved magnet in quite a bit smaller than the flat magnets.
The curve is just to get the magnets closer to the stator. It shouldn't do anything but increase power and efficiency
I recently ordered a FlosStyle frame, looking forward to getting it on a new build, but I have a question. Has anybody tried using taller standoffs to accommodate a taller stack in this frame? I was thinking if I like the frame (I am sure I will) of upgrading some of my older builds to it, but some of them definitely won't fit the height. Since the standoff hardware looks somewhat specialized it would be a nice option to be able to buy taller ones separately.
On second thought looking at it again maybe the standoffs themselves are not specialized (I was looking at the nuts below them)...so maybe I just need some taller m3 standoffs with 4 of them being 5mm taller than the other 4.
Maybe instead I'll ask for opinions on where to buy decent quality bolts/standoffs.
I do my best to use nothing that's specialized. All my hardware is standard. 20mm and 15mm standoffs with flanged M3 locknuts.
I would imagine that you are working with so many vendors that you don't end up buying your own separate hardware...so, if anyone else has a good suggestion for where to buy good quality frame hardware (standoffs/nuts/bolts/screws) I would appreciate it. I can always just order something from banggood, but you never know what you are really getting in terms of quality/hardness and I am getting tired of stripped heads.
I've got that 4in1 ESC branded in the StackX package that I purchased as a stand alone unit and I have nothing but good things to say about it. No noise, i even removed my low ESR cap after mounting because I didn't notice it adding anything to the quality of the video. Didn't really have noise to begin with, but I had got a few caps in and thought i'd give 'em a try. The only thing I can say negative is I have not been able to make sense out of the sensor signal coming off the board. Have tried many settings in BF and haven't been able to get it to output valid numbers. Other than that, its a great board. $26 at time of purchase.
gotta love the angry doll. Made the video so worth it!
What do you think about Chee Pass motors?
Not even worth the time to install. But they do work I guess.
Really? I've had some good experiences with them... Have you heard anything bad about them?
Does that fc/vtx support osd?
Skyzone GS500 is the best box goggle IMHO. ~$125 diversity, good reception, DVR etc and supports 7-28V input. Just about the smallest and lightest too. I just put 20 packs through Commander V2's and sold them because I couldnt get them 100% focused. I now have HDO's and waiting for Rapidfire to test. But I have over 20 packs in the HDO's and I still like the GS500's better. HDO picture is very very good but for me box goggles put me in the cockpit while FS style, I feel like I'm looking at a monitor through binoculars. The picture is noticeably smaller and out in front of me. I still want to see Rapidfire for myself so Ill wait for my preorder to come in from Pyro and decide then but I'm 90% sure Ill be selling the HDO's too. I need SZ to update the GS500's with an OLED screen lol
Have you tried adjusting the Micro Eagle WDR? Mine is fine on defaults but JB's video showed it can be adjusted.
Yeah I have the HDR all the way up on it. The caddx is just way better overall
Even if that 4 in 1 is noisy you have ways to fix stop the noise going to fc and video. Individual esc, the most effective is cap on each is pain in the arse.
welcome to the dark / cheap side.
the motors are a little slower to react from brother hobby ones but still good.
you can fly scenic at around 8a - so long flight times.
nice work.
It's gonna depend on what prop you use but the response for me feels just about the same on the HQ 5.1x4.6x3
Question regarding the dimmer picture of the Eagle: Why is it affecting the OSD text as well? That text should be white and it's clearly darker.
I hadn't noticed that at all but this is completely raw DVR and it looks the same in the goggles with respect to brightness. That's a really good and curious observation you made .
Hmm... brightness being lost in the VTX perhaps?
Need parts advice/recommendation. This cheap build comes as you advertised: it really works. Problem is the consistency of the cheap parts: combo FC/VTX and ESC. Bought a pair of each, to build an IDENTICAL pair. The first build was flawless and straight forward: still my best performing drone. The second build gave me endless troubles, first with a defective ESC (one motor channel defective), then with a poor performing vtx. Remember, these are IDENTICAL builds. Motors are fine: sound terrible, but performs really well, even after some gross newbie crashes. So if you wanted do a comparable build using premium (or at least higher end) components with this flosstyle frame, what would be your recommended FC, VTX, AIO ESC combination?
QC is always the most expensive part. I'm working on a 'my recommended build' setup. Been working on it for a while.
OK. Can't wait to see what's on your list....
Just one quick question in the meantime. Are Spedix 4in1 ESCs OK, as far as you know?
www.banggood.com/Spedix-GS-35A-4-IN-1-ESC-BLHeli_32-Dshot1200-2-4S-For-RC-Drone-FPV-Racing-Multi-Rotor-p-1271339.html?cur_warehouse=CN
Have the Sakura FC with a Spedix ESC, on a malfunctioning third build. Think I'll swap out the Sakura FC first, with a better FC and dedicated VTx
yeah that board was previously one of my favorite 4in1's before blheli32
Yep Spedix 4in1 works fine. Sorry to keep bugging you with questions, but I'm really progressing quickly, thanks to you... What fpv camera angle do you use for freestyle? I'm experimenting with 45.
I've been flying the dys 2306 @2500 and have been blown away by their performance. I've also been interested in low light flying and have been pretty impressed with the foxeer night wolf using starlight. It's not bad in daylight either, however lacks a locking ring for the lens which I did have loosen on me on the 3rd flight. superglue put a stop to that.
Anyways Great review, loving my cheap builds, makes me less afraid to fly hard and crash often.
What are your feelings on flossing compared to using those plastic pics? Honestly I don't floss often enough, but do use those pic's often at my desk. Good enough?
Floss picks are good because they get people to floss. You can do a better job with the actual string but doing any job is better than no job.
Only time before that usb starts to fail on those fxt viper goggles. Maybe the makers should provided easily accessible solder pad to give the option to permanently fix your own cable to power the unit. Personally I'd like that on my fatsharks as I prefer to run a long cable rather than fix a lipo to my head.