Great looking guitar. I was a bit disappointed to see it without pepperoni, mushrooms, sausage, peppers, onion, and olives. Not really a Supreme is it?
The original Supremes were cool AF guitars, this is just overpriced superficial bling coughed up by a profit whoring marketing department as Gibson's latest money grab. My main gripe is the atrocious attention to detail in the workmanship. That heel joint where they didn't even bother to sand the glue off before painting it kind of says it all. I guess they're hoping you're so blinded by the bling that you won't notice the crapmanship :)
(i work at gibson USA) It's funny you mention it, when we were told about these, they were called "the NEW les paul moderns" so i thought it was funny that you jumped to comparing the two so fast!
FYI Austin, the Gibson "coil tap" on these PCBs isn't a tap or a split! See those extra capacitors on the PCB? They're there to shelve off a load of low end, so it's still the full pickup, both coils, but with the low end cut off to emulate a single coil sound. Yamaha do a similar thing with the Revstar and call it a "dry switch".
The looks of this guitar are quite stunning! I'm going to coin the phrase "Radiator Inlay" because the headstock inlay reminds me of a 1940's Packard automobile radiator grill. I am feeling that this model would look amazing in a dark blue burst color.
Calling these the "Modern Supreme" really fits this new model better than just Supreme. I've been excited to see them finally come out, and I might have to get one. Now to decide between one in this trans ebony finish, or a solid black 3 pickup version
That name is super clunky though. I thought more of it being like a "Modern Custom" but the same applies there. Supreme is a much simpler and more elegant sounding name
@@danmc_2783 true but Gibson names are ridiculous and clunky so it fits lol. They reuse words a lot. Like how a custom studio and a studio custom are different guitars 🥴
It's hilarious that people nitpick a tiny chip on something new and call out the qc for being worse than it used to be. People act like guitars from the 50s and 60s were perfect even though they were covered in small cosmetic defects. People even pay a premium to have those old factory defects recreated like dye overbleeding into the binding, inlay defects, etc.
@@kennethcbailey27 Well I don’t think people are saying that. There’s brands out there like ESP and Suhr where if you spend 4 grand, you won’t see a flaw unless you whip out the microscope.
@@TylerJohnstonGuitar that esp snakebyte trog just reviewed was over $7k and had grease spots all over the fretboard and a messed up truss rod cover. Fretboard looked like a fast food bag with French fry grease speckles all over it, no microscope needed.
So lemme get this straight: they removed a ton of the features of the LP Supreme making it more comparable to the Modern, but it costs 1 grand more for some reason and isn't as thick, and doesn't have the double binding or the rad headstock logo? No thanks.
Much as I love the way that thing looks, I could get a custom Kiesel single-cut with the exact specs that I want for roughly 4k, the same price as this. I literally specced out what's essentially my dream single-cut on their builder last night, and it came in just shy of $4100. (I did manage not to nuke my bank account by buying it, but the temptation is strong.) Unfortunately, this price point is pretty much the worst place they could've put this model. I LOVE my two Gibson Les Pauls, but when you hit custom shop prices without custom shop specs, that's when it's time to cut and run. 😞
@@MichaelGris-u2o Out of curiosity, why do you think I'd get sick of it? I haven't sold a guitar since I had to do it to make rent back in 2002 or so. The only guitars I've lost possession of since then were the ones that got stolen when my house was robbed. I'm very picky about the guitars I buy; I don't have many, but I intend to keep the ones I've got. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Gibson Les Pauls (I own a 2015 Studio in Desert Burst and a 2017 Classic HP in Heritage Cherry Sunburst, and the latter is my main), but 4k is getting into custom shop territory. Unless the guitar exactly meets the specs I'm looking for, I just can't justify paying custom shop prices for a non-custom shop guitar.
@@mattw.6726 He's just a passive-aggressive GIbson fanboy trying to gaslight you into hating something that doesn't even exist (your dream Kiesel). Lots of people can't handle the truth that Gibson's prices are very much reaching satire-level prices. Do what you want and don't let the bastards get you down.
@@OtaconNachos I like hating on Gibson as much as your next door average Joe, but comparing a Kiesel to a Gibson is not fair because Carvin/Kiesel sell direct to consumer so they offer fantastic prices for the specs. When comparing to other brands honestly a lot of Gibsons are not THAT bad price wise all things considered. And my 21 Slash is a great playing guitar with fretwork and tuning stability pretty much on par with my ESPs (and that's a big compliment coming from a guy who's an absolute ESP fanboy and just got an endorsement deal). QC wise Gibson are getting better but my Slash is definitely not perfect, my ESPs are and they're all Standard Series, not CS. I'm selling it to get a used LP Custom though, hopefully the '21 standard Custom I might get won't bring me back to the Gibson hater camp lol. My few experiences with Carvin/Kiesel have been great, actually my current 7 string is a Carvin DC727 and it's pretty much perfect. But yeah, resale value is a concern even though they don't take as big a hit as they used to, and I'm pretty sure a Kiesel just is a different experience to a Gibson altogether. Having at least one good Gibson Les Paul is something really nice IMO, but YMMV
Well it’s missing the defining characteristics of the original Supreme guitars. That’s like naming a station wagon a Mustang and expecting people to buy it.
Was also thinking that. Also think it would look a lot better with nickel hardware, or even that smoked nickel or black chrome hardware or whatever it's called, at least on that finish anyway.
I got mine before launch day, same color as this one but my top has a lot more going on with the grain. You actually got a pretty nice one just more uniform from others that I have seen. Mine was made the 208th day of 2023 so I did get the baby picture also. Super happy with it.
thanks for putting this out, had a chance to play both the modern and the supreme and ultimately went with the modern in the Trans Cherry Burst. But I was well informed going in to Sweetwater. I ma going to swap out the knobs on the modern as I am not a fan of the clear whites
Nice! Mine is a 2004 Wine Red and I purchased it brand new. Till death do us part, and I still play it between other favorite guitars. Love the carved back as well! ❤️
It's fine, but they have reduced the cost by saving on putting the metal bell in place of the conventional plastic one in the headstock, it also lacks the rear binding, and I liked the globe in the headstock of the original better.
Should have been called Modern Supreme. And your serial number should give you online access to a digital version of the baby photos! As you said many times, it's a verification of how it left the factory, not just case candy. And they did save separately a digital copy for internal use.
@@HVA58 no sorry , I meant it should be available online, not that it is. 😃 I'm assuming they won't stop taking the photos for whatever use they have at Gibson for them.
Beautiful - yet speaking of schocking - - - The most beautiful Les Paul I have seen is a single pick-up, neck, cherry burst flame top on the e bay! No switch, just two knobs, a big long field of perfectly spaced curls. So fine, so rare, so clean, so expensive.
I don't hate them, but I would love them to go back to the carved back and globe inlay. These almost feel like they needed a new Model Name. That said, these are still really nice and I love the Super 400 inlays and carved heel.
I bought one (sent you flame top pics) and I only did because it had all of the specs I wanted. Thin neck, Ebony board, access carve and locking tuners. It's a very modern LP. Mine was perfect QC wise. Pickups sound great too. Caesar is doing us some solids!
Are the upper frets actually reachable with the comfort carve? That's always what keeps me from buying a LP. I'm on the market for an SG right now but the Les Paul is so beautiful it's hard to look past it.
I’m not sure about gold hardware on a flame top in trans-black, nickel would match the lighter parts of the flame better. (Gold on solid black works better.)
Nice new model, looks beautiful and the Modern neck joint although not on par with the Axcess (when are they going to finally put that thing on more guitars?) is a really cool feature for us lead guitarists. That ultra modern weight relief is a concern to me though, I haven't liked the feel and sound to the guitars equipped with that I tried sadly. I wish Gibson would finally do regular Les Pauls with just the Axcess neck heel, I'm sure a lot of people would love that. 4k is steep but it also looks like a Les Paul Custom, it's right in between a Modern and a Custom so it might appeal to some people.
How are smudges, dings, and tooling marks in any way acceptable on a $4K guitar? You don't see that on $800-1000 Indonesian-made PRS SE series instruments. Gibson USA's QC remains remarkably shoddy, especially in light of the premium prices.
I'm buying a Wine Supreme on Monday 11/20/2023. Got a pretty good deal on one. I won't say who. I already have a Slash November Burst and a 2019 Standard that was supposed to be Seafoam Green but has faded terribly and now is essentially blonde, but plays very nice and weirdly has Moden controls. I am probably going to let that one go as the color is not what I hoped for.Other than the color, the guitar is mint. Looking forward to the Supreme though.
It's sad that Gibson users consider this a "really fancy top", meanwhile those of us from ESP, PRS, Keisel, Mayones, Skervessen, Suhr, Taylor, Ibanez, Music Man are all thinking, "ok, so finally a reasonable top on a Les Paul..."
For how much they are asking for that Gibson. I notice alot of bad areas were the wood was badly sanded and marks near the heal joint. My epiphone LP standard for what I paid for it is floorless .
Agreed. IME, I've shopped a while for Les Pauls at various shops, and this lower Gibson QC seems to be the now established norm. Occasionally I come across a perfect one, but that is rare. Very common to see over scraped binding edges on the neck and body (leaving a noticeable ridge) and a lot of glue squeeze out that has been lacquered over. It's like Gibsons QC target has dropped to "B" stock level. No drop in their prices though! 😐
I think they would be better off trying to match the inlays with the headstock logo. Just an idea. You should try and find a Gibson Byrdland Guitar. Thanks again.
Several things about these Supremes remind me of those LP HP standards. Remember those? Minus the headstock emblem and fretboard inlays add a gforce tuning system and you have one of those HPs but for a lot more money.
In 2015 I went to a music store intending to buy a Supreme, and walked out empty-handed. It just wasn't a Les Paul. Looked great, especially the back, but feel and tone was too ES'ish. When I saw a new Supreme online with the Fireburst finish and weighing 8.0 lbs., my mouse involuntarily hit Buy, and boy am I glad it did. This guitar is, in fact, the dream guitar I've been searching for. Yes, the back isn't figured or bound, but at this price point it's just perfect.
If they lost the back binding because of the heel carve they should have kept the plate/coverless design at the least. Maybe even use figured mahogany on all of them to make up for the loss of the maple back. As it stands this is definitely just a LP Modern with fancy fretboard and headstock inlays.
Thanks Trogley. I've got a Gibson LP Modern, and was struck by how similar the specs were, then more struck that no other reviews that were coming out referenced this at all. From your review, you said that the pickups are the same as the Modern, but in the Gibson Website, they're called slightly different things. Is this a mistake on the website, or are they actually slightly different?
The “modern” listing just has the rhythm/lead words thrown on at the end which is technically unneeded info since they are already labeled Neck/bridge. They are the same
I got to play a Black one a few years ago. Not long. It was bought up almost instantly at my local guitar parlor. BUT.. It was an incredible Les Paul. I have owned several from the '50's to 2007. It had the best balance and weight ever. And I was a big anti-weight relief guy. Can't wait to get my hands on one of these. Thanks Trog
I wonder if it stays in tune. I have 1 Gibson left. A 1970s SG custom, arctic white, 3 gold buckers 🔥. It stays in tune, my other 4 Gibs would NOT stay in tune!
For paying 4 grand some imperfections and tool marks/scuffs isn’t acceptable if I’m paying for it. But if you spend that much might as well go custom. Or even used custom.. 🤷♂️
My 2014 standard has all the coil tappy stuff, but I never use them! This looks great but if I ever could afford one, I’d probably never play it. It’d be on display so not really at all practical
That was a fair review Trog. Thank you for being fair. Signed: Jeff@The Gibson Supreme Owners Club. We knew going in that this was going to basically be a LP Modern with some Supreme appointments. We are not disappointed. It's a nice guitar. It's not the Supreme of the past. But that's not a bad thing. It just really gave many of us a reason to buy another new Gibson. This guitar gets the GSOC seal of approval. Our members that bought them are all very satisfied. And FWIW, the SG is also likely going to make a comeback.
@@eric_in_florida it serves as the CoA. For something that expensive I’d expect something. Even then, it’s just a small thing that probably takes nothing for them to do. You can even print photos from your phone with a Fuji device and have it be that. The instruments cost an insane amount, i’m sure they can afford it
Initially when I saw these I was disappointed being they don't have the maple back etc. But seeing this I get that it's like a "custom" modern. I do like it.
I'm not big on gold hardware, but would rock. I wonder why Gibson is stopping the baby pictures? That's the coolest case candy and it can't cost anything to produce. Glad I got a couple.
Hold on to what you've got until you for sure find better. Early in the SG Modern run I had chance to buy a fantastically flamed blueberry burst but I really wanted one in black at the time. By the time I changed my mind, every blueberry burst they've put out has seemed more blotchy colored and inconsistently figured than the last. Really regret passing on the early one from when they still had good wood stock and/or gave a crap. 😆
The carved flame maple back with colors matching the front was the killer selling point of the old ones (still have a heritage cherry sunburst from back then and mine weighs exactly 8 lbs!). Personally, I did like the sound of the old (490R/498T) pickups a lot more. But seriously: You get proper natural backs on Epiphones, and that garbage black on a Supreme? Total fail.
You should probably google 'Edwards les paul custom' to see where the potential headstock inlay design may have came from. I know the design is at the very least, three years old. Whether Gibson took inspiration from the design or vice versa, I couldn't tell you. It was just something that stood out to me. Maybe someone with more knowledge could shed some light on it.
Looks great and sounds great. I swore I wasn't going to buy another guitar, but since I have the Supreme in a gold top, I decided to buy the modern version in wine red. It's my 71st guitar and it makes my wife ecstatically happy. 🤣
Gibson said they use the baby photo not just as a cute gimmick, but to keep their own copy of for their records. I wonder if they're discontinuing that, too. I assume they'll still keep a digital photo for themselves, but they just don't want to bother wasting time and money printing out a glossy picture of your guitar for you to keep.
I bought one of these from Righteous Guitars in Oct 2023 - Red Wine Fireburst model - It was sold as a brand new guitar. However the odd thing is that the serial number starts with a 22 suggesting its a 2022 model - even though the certification paper has a date of 2023 - Seems very odd to me - If it is a 2023 - why does the serial number suggestion that its a 2022. Also doesn't seem to have any modern weight relief as confirmed by Gibson - when I called them and let them know it was 10.2 lbs. All that being said - the guitar plays amazing and they pled'd it for me which was very nice. I am still scratching my head on the serial number.. Also see the same thing on this video - look at 3:29 mark - the date you have is 8-8-23 but Serial Number starts with 22. Doesn't make ANY sense.
Baby photo - I didn't get one - my date on my pre-check list was only 20 days later than yours at 8-28-23 - that sux.. guess it explains why I didn't get one
Gibson serial numbers are read YdddYbPPP. y for year, d for Day, b for batch number, p for production number. The YYppppppp was only used in 1994, 2014-early2019
I have an original Supreme, and it’s a monster guitar. A little heavy, but it plays great and the pups are powerful. I’m not a fan of of these new boards and all of the coil tapping. I guess I’m old school.
really feel like calling it a supreme, was a complete miss, It isn't anything like a supreme, it's a modern with cosmetic upgrades, why not lean into there actually being a new model? is it so they feel like they can get away with the price?
If Neil Schon has a couple of these pretty sure you can. Wonder if their routed Floyd's? Was thinking these are wanna to be Les Paul customs but they have a pretty cool mojo to their own and there's room for both player preference. That top is hypnotic sick
Reading the comments some people really dont like change do they😂. At least it will prob drive up the prices of the original supreme model for the sellers. Personally i like these new modernised looking supreme's better especially without the pick guard.👍👍.
Cool at first glance, but a closer look reveals a serious lack of attention to detail in the workmanship for a $4k guitar. Overpriced superficial bling. I'll stick with the Custom shop or a nice pre-2019 USA standard. Not really a fan of the USA models since the KKR takeover :)
Maaaan, that's a niiiize guitar! I had a guitar just like it fifteen years ago. I bought it off Ebay. It was called the Custom Classic and it had no weight relief. It was a wonderful player and I regret selling it.
Great looking guitar. I was a bit disappointed to see it without pepperoni, mushrooms, sausage, peppers, onion, and olives. Not really a Supreme is it?
It’s also missing the classic red “box logo” with the white lettering. Would never pass a StockX inspection. (Shoe joke if you’re confused)
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The original Supremes were cool AF guitars, this is just overpriced superficial bling coughed up by a profit whoring marketing department as Gibson's latest money grab. My main gripe is the atrocious attention to detail in the workmanship. That heel joint where they didn't even bother to sand the glue off before painting it kind of says it all. I guess they're hoping you're so blinded by the bling that you won't notice the crapmanship :)
(i work at gibson USA) It's funny you mention it, when we were told about these, they were called "the NEW les paul moderns" so i thought it was funny that you jumped to comparing the two so fast!
Did they discontinue the regular LP modern? They recently disappeared off of Sweetwater.
FYI Austin, the Gibson "coil tap" on these PCBs isn't a tap or a split! See those extra capacitors on the PCB? They're there to shelve off a load of low end, so it's still the full pickup, both coils, but with the low end cut off to emulate a single coil sound. Yamaha do a similar thing with the Revstar and call it a "dry switch".
Not really like the old school Supreme at all. Not a fan for the price.
Me too
this is worse quality than many chibsons
@@jeririce4928 You've tried?
The looks of this guitar are quite stunning! I'm going to coin the phrase "Radiator Inlay" because the headstock inlay
reminds me of a 1940's Packard automobile radiator grill. I am feeling that this model would look amazing in a dark blue burst color.
Oh man, a dark blue burst would be awesome! 👍🏻
I think you may have started something with "Radiator Inlay." I can see that gaining traction. I'm your witness, lol.
Calling these the "Modern Supreme" really fits this new model better than just Supreme. I've been excited to see them finally come out, and I might have to get one.
Now to decide between one in this trans ebony finish, or a solid black 3 pickup version
That name is super clunky though. I thought more of it being like a "Modern Custom" but the same applies there. Supreme is a much simpler and more elegant sounding name
@@danmc_2783 true but Gibson names are ridiculous and clunky so it fits lol. They reuse words a lot.
Like how a custom studio and a studio custom are different guitars 🥴
Look very PRS to me
6:55 Chip of ebony missing between fret and inlay. Gotta love Gibson QC.
Those inlays don’t look symmetrical either. I’ve seen better fretwork on a 400 dollar guitar.
And for 4k plus 😂
It's hilarious that people nitpick a tiny chip on something new and call out the qc for being worse than it used to be. People act like guitars from the 50s and 60s were perfect even though they were covered in small cosmetic defects. People even pay a premium to have those old factory defects recreated like dye overbleeding into the binding, inlay defects, etc.
@@kennethcbailey27 Well I don’t think people are saying that. There’s brands out there like ESP and Suhr where if you spend 4 grand, you won’t see a flaw unless you whip out the microscope.
@@TylerJohnstonGuitar that esp snakebyte trog just reviewed was over $7k and had grease spots all over the fretboard and a messed up truss rod cover. Fretboard looked like a fast food bag with French fry grease speckles all over it, no microscope needed.
It’s nice, but i like the look of the old supreme. Seems like it has a lot of character.
So lemme get this straight: they removed a ton of the features of the LP Supreme making it more comparable to the Modern, but it costs 1 grand more for some reason and isn't as thick, and doesn't have the double binding or the rad headstock logo?
No thanks.
I just picked up a Wine Red one here, nice guitar, lots of push-pull options. Its almost black until the light hits it and its flame explodes.
Much as I love the way that thing looks, I could get a custom Kiesel single-cut with the exact specs that I want for roughly 4k, the same price as this. I literally specced out what's essentially my dream single-cut on their builder last night, and it came in just shy of $4100. (I did manage not to nuke my bank account by buying it, but the temptation is strong.) Unfortunately, this price point is pretty much the worst place they could've put this model. I LOVE my two Gibson Les Pauls, but when you hit custom shop prices without custom shop specs, that's when it's time to cut and run. 😞
By all means go get your custom Keisel. You might not like the resale value of it when you inevitably get sick of it.
@@MichaelGris-u2o Out of curiosity, why do you think I'd get sick of it? I haven't sold a guitar since I had to do it to make rent back in 2002 or so. The only guitars I've lost possession of since then were the ones that got stolen when my house was robbed. I'm very picky about the guitars I buy; I don't have many, but I intend to keep the ones I've got.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Gibson Les Pauls (I own a 2015 Studio in Desert Burst and a 2017 Classic HP in Heritage Cherry Sunburst, and the latter is my main), but 4k is getting into custom shop territory. Unless the guitar exactly meets the specs I'm looking for, I just can't justify paying custom shop prices for a non-custom shop guitar.
@@mattw.6726 He's just a passive-aggressive GIbson fanboy trying to gaslight you into hating something that doesn't even exist (your dream Kiesel). Lots of people can't handle the truth that Gibson's prices are very much reaching satire-level prices. Do what you want and don't let the bastards get you down.
@@OtaconNachos I like hating on Gibson as much as your next door average Joe, but comparing a Kiesel to a Gibson is not fair because Carvin/Kiesel sell direct to consumer so they offer fantastic prices for the specs. When comparing to other brands honestly a lot of Gibsons are not THAT bad price wise all things considered. And my 21 Slash is a great playing guitar with fretwork and tuning stability pretty much on par with my ESPs (and that's a big compliment coming from a guy who's an absolute ESP fanboy and just got an endorsement deal). QC wise Gibson are getting better but my Slash is definitely not perfect, my ESPs are and they're all Standard Series, not CS. I'm selling it to get a used LP Custom though, hopefully the '21 standard Custom I might get won't bring me back to the Gibson hater camp lol. My few experiences with Carvin/Kiesel have been great, actually my current 7 string is a Carvin DC727 and it's pretty much perfect. But yeah, resale value is a concern even though they don't take as big a hit as they used to, and I'm pretty sure a Kiesel just is a different experience to a Gibson altogether. Having at least one good Gibson Les Paul is something really nice IMO, but YMMV
My new Supreme came in at 9.9 lbs. I was a bit surprised since most seem to be at the lower 8 lb range.
I like the heel contour. Moderns are probably my favorite LP's, as I got 2 . I'd definitely add this too
Idk why, but it bugs me...I just don't think they should of called it "Supreme".
Well it’s missing the defining characteristics of the original Supreme guitars. That’s like naming a station wagon a Mustang and expecting people to buy it.
Was also thinking that. Also think it would look a lot better with nickel hardware, or even that smoked nickel or black chrome hardware or whatever it's called, at least on that finish anyway.
Agreed. It’s cool but with what the Mod Shop does now this doesn’t seem worth the money.
I think this is the Model that sits between a Standard and a Custom, so the price makes sense. Reminds me more of a Super Les Paul than a Supreme.
Supreme ? I don't see sour cream anywhere!
The headstock inlay locks a lot like on the ESP Edwards and Navigator Customs.
I got mine before launch day, same color as this one but my top has a lot more going on with the grain. You actually got a pretty nice one just more uniform from others that I have seen. Mine was made the 208th day of 2023 so I did get the baby picture also. Super happy with it.
I don't know who at Gibson signed off on that headstock inlay but as far as I am concerned it's a deal-breaker.
Agreed, looks ridiculous. Nothing Supreme about it other than the Super 400 inlays really. Gonna be a easy pass for me.
Weird looking for sure.
it's 100% better than that ugly globe they had on old supremes.
Agree on the headstock inlay. It's just too big and over powering visual wise. Maybe reduce the size a bit?
LOL! Yes, I remember that now - I think you're right..... 😆@@sixslinger9951
thanks for putting this out, had a chance to play both the modern and the supreme and ultimately went with the modern in the Trans Cherry Burst. But I was well informed going in to Sweetwater. I ma going to swap out the knobs on the modern as I am not a fan of the clear whites
I have a 2006 rootbeer supreme. My favourite guitar. Wish i could afford another one.
No shroud for the case?
Nice! Mine is a 2004 Wine Red and I purchased it brand new. Till death do us part, and I still play it between other favorite guitars. Love the carved back as well! ❤️
It's fine, but they have reduced the cost by saving on putting the metal bell in place of the conventional plastic one in the headstock, it also lacks the rear binding, and I liked the globe in the headstock of the original better.
Should have been called Modern Supreme. And your serial number should give you online access to a digital version of the baby photos! As you said many times, it's a verification of how it left the factory, not just case candy. And they did save separately a digital copy for internal use.
Where do I go to get that baby photo? 🤔
@@HVA58 no sorry , I meant it should be available online, not that it is. 😃 I'm assuming they won't stop taking the photos for whatever use they have at Gibson for them.
Oh, ok
Beautiful - yet speaking of schocking - - -
The most beautiful Les Paul I have seen is a single pick-up, neck, cherry burst flame top on the e bay! No switch, just two knobs, a big long field of perfectly spaced curls.
So fine, so rare, so clean, so expensive.
Looks like it was polished with sand paper
Hello, is the new Supreme chambered or solid body? thank you.
I assume the push-pull volume pots are coil splitting, but what do the push-pull tone pots do?
I don't hate them, but I would love them to go back to the carved back and globe inlay. These almost feel like they needed a new Model Name. That said, these are still really nice and I love the Super 400 inlays and carved heel.
Better be amazing for 4 grand!
It would be a good guitar at $2,500. $4k though? Insanity.
It is!
Trogly made Yahoo news today due to the Stars and Stripes Explorer.
Guitar World too 🎸
I’ve been in the newspaper before. Usually not a good thing 😅
@@TylerJohnstonGuitar lol
My fireburst supreme is on the way! I was waiting for this review. Hopefully I get a baby photo!!
Update no baby photo, and mine was made one day after troglys...
I bought one (sent you flame top pics) and I only did because it had all of the specs I wanted. Thin neck, Ebony board, access carve and locking tuners. It's a very modern LP. Mine was perfect QC wise. Pickups sound great too. Caesar is doing us some solids!
Are the upper frets actually reachable with the comfort carve? That's always what keeps me from buying a LP. I'm on the market for an SG right now but the Les Paul is so beautiful it's hard to look past it.
@@No_Lucks_Given Just as accessible as my SG!
@@synonyx Wow that's good enough for me. Maybe I'll end up getting one...
I’m not sure about gold hardware on a flame top in trans-black, nickel would match the lighter parts of the flame better. (Gold on solid black works better.)
Nice new model, looks beautiful and the Modern neck joint although not on par with the Axcess (when are they going to finally put that thing on more guitars?) is a really cool feature for us lead guitarists. That ultra modern weight relief is a concern to me though, I haven't liked the feel and sound to the guitars equipped with that I tried sadly. I wish Gibson would finally do regular Les Pauls with just the Axcess neck heel, I'm sure a lot of people would love that. 4k is steep but it also looks like a Les Paul Custom, it's right in between a Modern and a Custom so it might appeal to some people.
I had a traditional Pro2, gold top, it had vibes and sounded excellent, 60s neck profile.
I would like a cherry red flame top, gold hardware custom.
I'm a huge fan of the new trans black Supremes! That thing is so badass!
The heal carve and headstock inlay's are awesome touches!
What is up with all the scratches under the bridge??
How are smudges, dings, and tooling marks in any way acceptable on a $4K guitar? You don't see that on $800-1000 Indonesian-made PRS SE series instruments. Gibson USA's QC remains remarkably shoddy, especially in light of the premium prices.
Some of that ebony board looks a bit too brownish instead of black towards the bass side high up on the frets? Or is it just the lighting?
Natural coloring of the wood. Most ebony isn’t pure black. m.th-cam.com/video/anCGvfsBoFY/w-d-xo.html
I'm buying a Wine Supreme on Monday 11/20/2023. Got a pretty good deal on one. I won't say who. I already have a Slash November Burst and a 2019 Standard that was supposed to be Seafoam Green but has faded terribly and now is essentially blonde, but plays very nice and weirdly has Moden controls. I am probably going to let that one go as the color is not what I hoped for.Other than the color, the guitar is mint. Looking forward to the Supreme though.
It's sad that Gibson users consider this a "really fancy top", meanwhile those of us from ESP, PRS, Keisel, Mayones, Skervessen, Suhr, Taylor, Ibanez, Music Man are all thinking, "ok, so finally a reasonable top on a Les Paul..."
For how much they are asking for that Gibson.
I notice alot of bad areas were the wood was badly sanded and marks near the heal joint.
My epiphone LP standard for what I paid for it is floorless .
Agreed. IME, I've shopped a while for Les Pauls at various shops, and this lower Gibson QC seems to be the now established norm. Occasionally I come across a perfect one, but that is rare. Very common to see over scraped binding edges on the neck and body (leaving a noticeable ridge) and a lot of glue squeeze out that has been lacquered over. It's like Gibsons QC target has dropped to "B" stock level. No drop in their prices though! 😐
You got lucky most tops are no even close to that flamed. And it is still not a supreme. It’s a modern.
Pretty good guitar, but not really a Supreme, which has double binding and a better logo on the headstock.
Just started subscribing and love the show! What kind of amp do you use at the end when you play?
Marshall Bluesbreaker reissue
I think they would be better off trying to match the inlays with the headstock logo. Just an idea.
You should try and find a Gibson Byrdland Guitar. Thanks again.
Several things about these Supremes remind me of those LP HP standards. Remember those? Minus the headstock emblem and fretboard inlays add a gforce tuning system and you have one of those HPs but for a lot more money.
A fancy modern in supreme clothing! But for $1k more? I don’t think the actual cost to upgrade the modern to supreme is anywhere near the markup.
In 2015 I went to a music store intending to buy a Supreme, and walked out empty-handed. It just wasn't a Les Paul. Looked great, especially the back, but feel and tone was too ES'ish. When I saw a new Supreme online with the Fireburst finish and weighing 8.0 lbs., my mouse involuntarily hit Buy, and boy am I glad it did. This guitar is, in fact, the dream guitar I've been searching for. Yes, the back isn't figured or bound, but at this price point it's just perfect.
Looks a lot like a Navigator/Edwards headstock inlay...
its more like a Modern Custom but i think its a really good gigging Paul the Winered one looks so good
My OCD is trigged by the undulations in the back and heel carve. Shame Gibson couldn't sand / plane it flat before applying the paint.
Excuse me but the level sanding on the back of the body and neck heel is definitely NOT supreme. How did that get through QC?
If they lost the back binding because of the heel carve they should have kept the plate/coverless design at the least. Maybe even use figured mahogany on all of them to make up for the loss of the maple back. As it stands this is definitely just a LP Modern with fancy fretboard and headstock inlays.
Thanks Trogley. I've got a Gibson LP Modern, and was struck by how similar the specs were, then more struck that no other reviews that were coming out referenced this at all.
From your review, you said that the pickups are the same as the Modern, but in the Gibson Website, they're called slightly different things. Is this a mistake on the website, or are they actually slightly different?
The “modern” listing just has the rhythm/lead words thrown on at the end which is technically unneeded info since they are already labeled Neck/bridge. They are the same
Ha, fair enough, thanks for the reply! Well, in that case, I feel like my Modern is even better value for money 😆
What’s the deal with all the polishing swirls? Isn’t that a brand new guitar? For 4K I would expect that finish to be flawless.
I got to play a Black one a few years ago. Not long. It was bought up almost instantly at my local guitar parlor. BUT.. It was an incredible Les Paul. I have owned several from the '50's to 2007. It had the best balance and weight ever. And I was a big anti-weight relief guy. Can't wait to get my hands on one of these. Thanks Trog
I wonder if it stays in tune. I have 1 Gibson left. A 1970s SG custom, arctic white, 3 gold buckers 🔥. It stays in tune, my other 4 Gibs would NOT stay in tune!
I want a black les paul custom that weighs 10 lbs.
Not keen on the headstock (emblem) inlay. The paint job is lovely though.
Do you still do video on strange guitar modification if so i bet iv got some guitar mods you’ve probably never seen before.
For paying 4 grand some imperfections and tool marks/scuffs isn’t acceptable if I’m paying for it. But if you spend that much might as well go custom. Or even used custom.. 🤷♂️
My 2014 standard has all the coil tappy stuff, but I never use them! This looks great but if I ever could afford one, I’d probably never play it. It’d be on display so not really at all practical
That was a fair review Trog. Thank you for being fair. Signed: Jeff@The Gibson Supreme Owners Club. We knew going in that this was going to basically be a LP Modern with some Supreme appointments. We are not disappointed. It's a nice guitar. It's not the Supreme of the past. But that's not a bad thing. It just really gave many of us a reason to buy another new Gibson.
This guitar gets the GSOC seal of approval. Our members that bought them are all very satisfied. And FWIW, the SG is also likely going to make a comeback.
Yup, totally agree with you!
yep!!!
I think the worst part to come out of this is knowing the baby photos will no longer ship with the guitars
For as much as you pay you SHOULD get a baby photo!
You have the guitar why do you need a photo of it?
@@eric_in_florida it serves as the CoA. For something that expensive I’d expect something. Even then, it’s just a small thing that probably takes nothing for them to do. You can even print photos from your phone with a Fuji device and have it be that. The instruments cost an insane amount, i’m sure they can afford it
I like the fact that Slash made a stink face while playing one at the Gibson factory.
Recently bought an immaculate 2013 Supreme - so glad I did, this new one is very basic looking in comparison.
Initially when I saw these I was disappointed being they don't have the maple back etc.
But seeing this I get that it's like a "custom" modern. I do like it.
I'm not big on gold hardware, but would rock. I wonder why Gibson is stopping the baby pictures? That's the coolest case candy and it can't cost anything to produce. Glad I got a couple.
Hold on to what you've got until you for sure find better. Early in the SG Modern run I had chance to buy a fantastically flamed blueberry burst but I really wanted one in black at the time. By the time I changed my mind, every blueberry burst they've put out has seemed more blotchy colored and inconsistently figured than the last. Really regret passing on the early one from when they still had good wood stock and/or gave a crap. 😆
Trogly!! You used my guitar photo!!! Thank you!!!!
The carved flame maple back with colors matching the front was the killer selling point of the old ones (still have a heritage cherry sunburst from back then and mine weighs exactly 8 lbs!). Personally, I did like the sound of the old (490R/498T) pickups a lot more. But seriously: You get proper natural backs on Epiphones, and that garbage black on a Supreme? Total fail.
I doesn't have that gibson clean where it overdrives the amp so well too twangy sounding
To be honest Supreme’s never really appealed to me. But comparing this version to the “Globe” version, I’d rather the “Globe”…
You should probably google 'Edwards les paul custom' to see where the potential headstock inlay design may have came from. I know the design is at the very least, three years old. Whether Gibson took inspiration from the design or vice versa, I couldn't tell you. It was just something that stood out to me. Maybe someone with more knowledge could shed some light on it.
We just got SO many new pickups in the Gibson line. Why aren't any of them being used in these new models?
Looks great and sounds great. I swore I wasn't going to buy another guitar, but since I have the Supreme in a gold top, I decided to buy the modern version in wine red. It's my 71st guitar and it makes my wife ecstatically happy. 🤣
What a coincidence! Im having a supreme pizza for dinner...
When is Gibson going to release the new Kirk Hammett signature US-1 with EMG's that is rumored to be in development? Hopefully soon.
Gibson naming has always had it’s quirks…still remember the Les Paul Junior Special. Naming aside these look pretty cool.
disappointed that it doesn't have the back binding too.
Any chance of SG Supremes coming back ?
Yes - they will Likely be back as teased on Cesar’s IG
Gibson said they use the baby photo not just as a cute gimmick, but to keep their own copy of for their records. I wonder if they're discontinuing that, too. I assume they'll still keep a digital photo for themselves, but they just don't want to bother wasting time and money printing out a glossy picture of your guitar for you to keep.
That ebony fretboard has a brown streak on the bass/left side.
Not all Ebony is solid black
@@styrenebuilds6851 I’ve heard it about 10% of the world of ebony is pure black and about 90% has streaky of both black & brown or very light.
I bought one of these from Righteous Guitars in Oct 2023 - Red Wine Fireburst model - It was sold as a brand new guitar. However the odd thing is that the serial number starts with a 22 suggesting its a 2022 model - even though the certification paper has a date of 2023 - Seems very odd to me - If it is a 2023 - why does the serial number suggestion that its a 2022. Also doesn't seem to have any modern weight relief as confirmed by Gibson - when I called them and let them know it was 10.2 lbs. All that being said - the guitar plays amazing and they pled'd it for me which was very nice. I am still scratching my head on the serial number.. Also see the same thing on this video - look at 3:29 mark - the date you have is 8-8-23 but Serial Number starts with 22. Doesn't make ANY sense.
Baby photo - I didn't get one - my date on my pre-check list was only 20 days later than yours at 8-28-23 - that sux.. guess it explains why I didn't get one
Gibson serial numbers are read YdddYbPPP. y for year, d for Day, b for batch number, p for production number. The YYppppppp was only used in 1994, 2014-early2019
I have an original Supreme, and it’s a monster guitar. A little heavy, but it plays great and the pups are powerful. I’m not a fan of of these new boards and all of the coil tapping. I guess I’m old school.
really feel like calling it a supreme, was a complete miss, It isn't anything like a supreme, it's a modern with cosmetic upgrades, why not lean into there actually being a new model? is it so they feel like they can get away with the price?
that would look really cool with blacked-out hardware and pickup covers
Trying to decide between a Supreme or a Custom. Pickups don't matter because I'm an EMG guy so I'll be changing those out.
Nice! Cheers from France
Can you use this as a metal shredder?
If Neil Schon has a couple of these pretty sure you can.
Wonder if their routed Floyd's?
Was thinking these are wanna to be Les Paul customs but they have a pretty cool mojo to their own and there's room for both player preference.
That top is hypnotic sick
Awesome! Love that guitar.
One of the best looking Les Paul's I've seen in a LONG time.
That Ebony one would look amazing with chrome hardware.. It just looks so bad with gold.
Reading the comments some people really dont like change do they😂. At least it will prob drive up the prices of the original supreme model for the sellers. Personally i like these new modernised looking supreme's better especially without the pick guard.👍👍.
Cool at first glance, but a closer look reveals a serious lack of attention to detail in the workmanship for a $4k guitar. Overpriced superficial bling. I'll stick with the Custom shop or a nice pre-2019 USA standard. Not really a fan of the USA models since the KKR takeover :)
Love the color, love the inlays..just love it lol...
Despite certain eccentricities, I increasingly appreciate the guitars of the Henry Juszkiewicz era
Evening all!!
I don’t really see the point of these. Might as well just go LP Custom at that price point
Maaaan, that's a niiiize guitar! I had a guitar just like it fifteen years ago. I bought it off Ebay. It was called the Custom Classic and it had no weight relief. It was a wonderful player and I regret selling it.