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The quantum physicists are right there is no problem. There is no 'real' if it is not in a calculation. And to most physisists it's useless untill you find that calculation. The rest of discussion is mostly just fuzziness created bt approximations like wave and particle. In the end why should reality match our intuition.

Interesting indeed. We shall start by understanding that natural selection is by no means the cause or only cause on evolution, its just a piece, we know much more now about interrelationships and symbiotic like influences that even exceed stochasticity, predation, parasitism, and competition by far. So it seems hos ideas sound reasonable, we knew just a part and the proteomic expression ways are almost unknown still... however, by many and Impressive examples overwhelmingly interesting and awesomely improbable evolution is clearly purposeful after an Impressive design, and the design is a divine design which goes farther than what any if us Humans could even understand. Its an awesome and miraculous design even before getting into life concerns or evolution itself. Now, life is not expectable to be just four or so thousand million years old, instead we are discovering that the Universe might be quite older than we expected, and we found that ut was here just 200 my or less after Earths formation, so panspermia is almost for sure and different origins might be everywhere. Even episodes of arrival could be detected inside the evidence of its evolution in this planet. Perhaps we could falsify these hypotheses and learn more about life when we achieve exploring the probably life full moons of the outer solar system, for instance, or when we attain genomic and proteomic sequences of a substantial part of what we see around us... the signs of polifiletic sources will be or perhaps not be impronted in the evidence... and with such inmensity and such distances, would life be just a local creation or God would have set it on in many much more places and galaxies in all directions? Inspired design. M Sc David Brailovsky UNAM México City

Darwin’s predecessor was hitting on epigenomics, and just didn’t realize it.

Brilliant interview: a pathbreaking scientist and a host who has taken so much care and skill to create an informed and informative discussion! Thank you

Sit down old chap. Thanks for your input so far. Now, Let’s see what Ai says about it.

I have read physics books since I was 14 and have not gotten to hear Sir Roger Penrose speak so back and forth in such an interview. I just heard about Orch OR and love the anesthesia / Hamerhoffs input. Multidisciplinary is the way it has to be thank you for this please do similar stuff in the future !

I think one of the reasons scientists are too averse to this idea is that it gives fuel to the creationist idiots to spew their bs.

Roger Penrose’s mind-bending theory of reality is a fascinating and deeply thought-provoking perspective that challenges our conventional understanding of consciousness, physics, and the nature of the universe. Penrose, a renowned physicist and mathematician, has made significant contributions to our understanding of black holes, quantum mechanics, and the structure of space-time. However, his theories on consciousness and the nature of reality go beyond the traditional boundaries of physics, venturing into the philosophical and metaphysical realms. One of Penrose’s most well-known ideas is his theory of consciousness, which he proposes in collaboration with anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff through the "Orch OR" (Orchestrated Objective Reduction) model. According to this theory, consciousness arises from quantum processes within the microtubules of neurons. Penrose suggests that the mind operates on principles that go beyond classical physics, and that quantum mechanics may play a fundamental role in the emergence of conscious awareness. This view challenges the classical computational theory of mind, which suggests that consciousness can be explained by classical information processing in the brain. Penrose's theory of objective reduction (OR) proposes that the collapse of the quantum wave function-an event that occurs when a quantum system transitions from a superposition of multiple states to a single, observable state-is not just a physical process but also a conscious experience. This idea suggests that consciousness may be an intrinsic part of the fabric of the universe, entangled with the very structure of space and time. Additionally, Penrose has posited that the universe itself may be far stranger than we can imagine, with deep connections between quantum mechanics, gravity, and the geometry of space-time. His work on the "Penrose diagram" and the "cosmic censorship conjecture" further explores the relationship between general relativity and quantum mechanics, offering insights into the structure of black holes and the ultimate fate of the universe. Another cornerstone of Penrose’s thinking is his view on the limits of human knowledge and understanding. He believes that there are inherent limitations to what the human mind can comprehend, particularly when it comes to understanding the fundamental nature of reality. His idea that there may be aspects of reality that are fundamentally ungraspable by the human mind ties into his skepticism of artificial intelligence and the belief that machines, no matter how advanced, may never fully replicate human consciousness. Penrose’s theories also reflect a broader philosophical stance on reality. He has argued that our understanding of the universe is deeply incomplete, and that there may be hidden truths lying beyond the limits of current scientific understanding. His exploration of the intersection between physics, consciousness, and mathematics calls for a rethinking of reality itself, emphasizing that our perceptions of the world may be more limited than we realize. While Penrose’s theories are revolutionary, they are not without controversy and skepticism within the scientific community. The role of quantum mechanics in consciousness is still a topic of intense debate, and the connection between quantum physics and brain function remains speculative. However, his bold ideas continue to inspire interdisciplinary discussions and raise important questions about the nature of life, reality, and the universe. In conclusion, Roger Penrose’s mind-bending theory of reality offers a profound and challenging perspective on the universe, consciousness, and the limits of human knowledge. By proposing that quantum mechanics might be fundamental to understanding consciousness and reality itself, Penrose invites us to think beyond the known and explore the mysteries that lie at the heart of existence. Whether or not his theories are ultimately proven, they undeniably open up new pathways for thought and encourage deeper inquiry into the nature of everything around us.

Sounds like its an argument of DNA being software which can do nothing or RNA which can't do anything unless there is hardware to read or transcribe the software. DNA can't do anything outside of the cell like software can't do anything outside of the computer hardware.

Can someone please explain what 'harnessing the stochasticity' to generate purpose' means, please 🙏

The absurdity of evolution is obvious . How could non intent create millions of specified individually functioning protien machines( without knowing what individual function they needed to physically perform) then mindlessly create specified coded information to direct these protiens) whithout knowing what function they performed nor what specified goal it needed to direct them towards) aka self replicating life. Its just patently absurd to discard these logical questions and simply claim non intent is the answere yet thousands of scientists have lived and died pursuing this unprovable illogical absurd proposition as fanaticle as any cult religious Zealots ever witnessed. Their dogma is the epitome of an excersise in utter futility.

Excellent discussion. You seem to miss out 'the final step' in this train of logic....'The universe is a unfolding purposeful process'! Which is not to say intelligently designed or conscious, BUT supremely directional because of entropy that allows it to move from 'high order low complexity' (Big Bang) to 'medium order, high complexity' (now) to 'low order, low complexity' ('heat death'). So this distinction between life as 'purposeful process' and 'things' is just wrong, it's all processes, 'things' are just useful labels that sum up a sub process for a short term purpose, but they don't inherently exist, they're all 'spinning tops' on a trajectory ultimately governed by the mega process of cosmic evolution, and presumably also part of some 'mega-mega process' like a multiverse. An obvious simple example is a star. It's not a thing, it's a process that is generating more complex elements via nuclear fusion, that will then be used as the building blocks of complex processes called planets that then can produce life as part of a solar system that's part of galaxy.

It’s not natural for life to exist on Earth by itself “it’s the heart that’s blind not the eyes “ Quran

The high pitch background music... is like nails on a chalk board to me. Love the content.

I've been on a Penrose binge and this is the very first video I found where the interviewer was able to ask piercing, incisive questions that allowed Sir Roger to articulate his thinking more clearly. This shows the interviewer has a level of understanding of the subject that goes beyond shallowness. The ability to restate Sir Roger's thoughts into clearer, more succinct statements is a gem of an ability. Another thing people don't notice is that this video is a collection of videos that were edited together to be logically coherent. Otherwise, it would be hard to follow Sir Roger's thoughts as he meanders quite a bit when explaining things. He often stops and shares anecdotes of past events to connect to his explanations then circle back to the original question after having answered several questions that popped up for him mid-thought. So credit needs to go to the editor as much as to the interviewer. In any case, I think this interview deserves a Pulitzer prize for elucidating such a very diffocult topic to comprehend on a very groundbreaking theory which I feel is on the right track to a UFT or TEO.

Evolution is now and has always been a joke.

Watching Denis Noble and Andrea Morris discussing evolution reassures me that I have IQ level of a shoe. When I am 88, I will be discussing frozen waffles with a cat and still trying to learn how to play Megadeth song on electric guitar. 😂😂

This combinatorial nondeterminism is probably where quantum computing will help determine which combinations actually matter.

Sorry, but either you are intentionally misrepresenting what scientists think, or you just don't understand it in order to pander to Creationists. The basic tenants of Darwinian evolution are still strongly supported. It's the genetic nuances that are being revealed. If you doubt evolution, you need only consider the differences between the flora and fauna in the fossil record throughout geologic time. And the several mass extinctions testify that so called "perfect creation" of life never occurred.

Science will never have their answers by leaving out the Creator of Life. It’s NOT going to Happen! The only evolution is the spiritual evolution and the barrier is Division.

Evolution is a lie that’s why we still have monkeys and they don’t turn into humans 😂

1:01:55 infinity is not a number, neither is zero 1/0=000.... 0/1=0 1:18:06 Q underlays C

Found this through TOE. Much easier to understand.

A purpose that is emergent and changing is not a purpose. It's a change. This whole thing is unconvincing.

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EKG is not father heart electric you uneducated problem. Photogenic isn't from that anger comes easy when manipulation was your easy money ..

What a load of bollocks.

Noble pushed a bad point to a forced education . They ask me if I am noble for this shit . You knew better all of the fowl . You took Margaret speaking and added to it from others saying something about perpetual strength and not Darwin about dying build up. Moreso, you added to before asking what is beyond that ..unless we speak of God. When or if he dies, everyone does ..if against will by default greed, they will . When you electrified heart off hydraulics point ignored .

37:10: add that mutualism organisms (such as our gut Flora) direct our nervous system etc (same with endophytic fungi in plants).

Emergent phenomena may influence evolution, yet the environment is always changing for a population of a given organism. And fitness is defined by eventual abundance of a genetic (and/or mimetic) organism. Epigenetic controls are also heritable BTW…. Most interesting are populations of species that persist for hundreds of millions of years with little change, such as tree ferns or seastars.

Honored to listen to the brilliance energey of prof Noble even at 89 YOA AND still working with all of his geniois a cumulated knowledge and a great model for all to continue ro learn and helping others with all the wisdom AND Knowledge helped by Many things you can do for health y aging

Isn't what is being called here "assumption", "narrative", "story" what in the old days we used to call "hypothesis"? Wasn't hypothesising the first step in making science? Isn't science one of the number of methods by which we learn about the cosmos around us? How then can we even expect to start learning about the world around us "without a question" or its equivalent, "without a hypothesis" or its equivalent "without an assumption" or its equivalent "without a story"? Wouldn't such way of learning "with no assumptions" be a Tautology, this is, wouldn't it be "setting out to know what we already know"? Thanks.

Perhaps the wave feature comes from the field with the particle travelling through it!

Oh, I absolutely believe history has been meddled with.

Science is predicated on truth. Modern politics and capitalism are necessitated by control. If that truth is dangerous to their tradition of control they will discount it, so science in this environment is incapable of maintaining it's integrity.

So my initial pov is basically a mouse on a computer that has the ability to basically have an initial home point but can reach...let's say that systems edge of imagination,yet it's still got a cord to a system like it's a single leaf of a tree ...yet the consciousness changes from my pov on the stem of the branch... to a completely different pov...yet now I know that does it effect the fact of my time if I'm aware of the other... now...what happens if both are aware..id assume that'd be a paradoxical anomaly

Too mu,h focus on genetics in disease causation rather than poison in our environment and diet.🤔

Then could the definition of AI being conscious is if the AI could collapse a wave function?

Show a picture of nature to calculate how many find it " beautiful" If more people than random find it BEAUTIFUL you have proof that human development is NOT random or chaotic!!!

Anytime I think about life processes, I default to applying Murphy's Law and expect to have Chaos knock on my door at any moment.😜

There is nucleotide genetic backbone primate chimpanzee to ape structure in modern man. Peltdown man and Peking man were found to be fraudulent. Modern man has only one Primate DNA partner. Neanderthal DNA is found at one to four percent in modern man. Moreover, they were contemporary partners. They had offspring. Behe and his irreducible complexity model proves that the second law of thermodynamics destroys any Neo Darwinian macro evolution model from formation. Dr Tour has challenged the scientific community where and when the first organic molecule came from including four building blocks, respiration, metabolization and successful cloning of itself. Dr Meyer discusses “Darwin’s doubt” and several statistical improbability challenges to undirected random self evolving organisms that become living organisms.

This is the guy who should re-boot Dr. Who with a simplified, less scary, more intellectual story written for children, about slightly older children who get in adventures.

Consciousness attracts a lot of flaky ideas... That says it all.

Best channel!

Macro Evolution is pretty much dead. ID has taken over.

You are so stupid don't reven reality this would mean dying all painful deaths tortures forever, universe is not even real and you are in simulation this is why elites rule ^^

Evolution is completely FALSE and absurd. Intelligent Design science which can be researched is undeniable proof there is a creator. All life started as one cell on earth according to evolution and now 9 million or more different insanely complex different species on accident what a joke, the human brain alone is the most complex structure in the entire universe

I didn't understand any of this, but it was brilliant. Agree about scientific dogma, though.

I'm not the smartest guy out there, but why would your mother's eggs be needed to recreate you, when your genetic information is already present? Aren't you already a genetic composite of your parents?

The truth is we are a highly evolved life form in the universe, where our cognitive awareness is merely that of our emergent interfacing as a non-essential character with the external world, other than assistants to self-replication and survival. There is cognitive awareness at every level of our evolved system that becomes DNA programming that can be uploaded to new replicas and enables eternal life. Our subconscious is likely well aware of our mortal existence and has found a way around it. The only purpose of awareness is convergence towards a stable attractor. I don't see any purpose of self-evolving intelligence that manifests from this complex realm, other than to exist and manifest from a realm that appears to be intelligently created for this to occur. I say this because intelligence cannot emerge from nothing.