It was not a Dallas police assumption.Theres a mountain of evidence against Oswald.in fact every law enfircement official in Dallas knew he was guilty.
@@randyharris3175the warren Report , didn’t have the eye witnesses that saw the truth that day , they were disguarded , how many witnesses that saw/heard shots from the picket fence are in the volumes of the report ? Did the deaf guy who saw the shooter at the picket fence and then pass it on to another man dressed as a railway worker , did he get in the Report ? Did the guy in the railway box behind the picket fence who saw a man walking up and down the length of the fence just before the motorcade went past ,was he called to give his evidence to the WC report ? The answer to hall these is NO they didn’t get into the Report Why ? Because it didn’t fit the narrative that of a single shooter end of .
The scene of Oswald running down the stairs in the film JFK was to demonstrate that there would have been witnesses, not to depict what actually occurred. "Burlesque" is not pronounced like "barbecue". The paraphin test results were doubly exculpatory, in that Oswald's hands tested positive for nitrates (which is to be expected when handling books), but negative on the cheek, indicating that he neither fired a rifle, nor washed his face (which would have washed the nitrates from his hands in doing so). Fact is, Oswald was at the Depository's entrance during the motorcade, left, went to his rooming house room to change his undershirt, then went to meet his handler at the Texas Theater. Much of what makes the case so difficult is that there were 2 Oswalds: Harvey and Lee, two mothers, two different childhoods, both Marines, both involved in military secret operations, one a sheep-dipped patsy.
The rifle doesn't leave nitrates on the face. An FBI agent fired Oswald's rifle three times in rapid succession and also tested negative for nitrates on the cheek, as expected. Oswald not only tested positive for nitrates on both hands (which is to be expected when firing a revolver), but the examiner noted that the pattern on his right hand was typical of the pattern produced in firing a revolver. He obviously never had a chance to wash his hands after shooting Tippit. You say that Oswald was at the TSBD entrance during the motorcade. What in the world do you base that on? There are no pictures of him there, no witnesses said that he was there, and Oswald himself didn't say that he was "at the Depository's entrance during the motorcade." There is also no evidence that shows that Oswald had a handler, or that he was going to meet his handler at the Texas Theatre. That is sheer, unfounded conjecture. The stuff about two Oswalds, two mothers, etc., is beyond silly.
@@9BallrThere was a man claiming he was Oswald at the !Mexican embasey,but he did not look like the Oswald that was arrested and held at Dallas Police Dept.
Those witnesses who didn't see Oswald on the stairs (and they couldn't even agree on their own times) came downstairs after he did and no doubt you would care to explain how the "real killers" escaped downstairs since they never saw them either!
@@9Ballr Funny, isn't it, how Oswald oddly never tried to bring this whole investigation to a hasty conclusion by telling police or the TV cameras, "Wait, I can prove I'm innocent, I was downstairs with the other employees in the Depository entrance!"... ? lol
I spent a semester debunking the Warren Report In David Wrone's course on political assassinations..great class...I'm very grateful for all of the skills I learned in his class. Much appreciated.
You should use your time to study instead of losing time trying to convince others with lies ;-) btw, since we are here, what is it that YOU debunked? (not things you saw on yt, things YOU debunked) Thanks and have a nice one ;-)
Since you've done so, could you explain to us all how a conspiracy knew in advance where Oswald's guns were, or that no bullets or fragments would ever be found in either murder that don't match to his weapons, or that he would show up at the Paine's house Nov 21, or that he wouldn't stand out in the street to watch the parade, or that he would immediately flee the TSBD, or that they need to have a double for him hanging around Oak Cliff, or that a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton, or that the cop won't capture the imposter, or that Oswald will help frame himself by trying to shoot MacDonald, or that they could safely approach scores and scores of police, bystanders, Secret Service, FBI, witnesses, medical staff at two hospitals, military personnel, journalists, networks, whole bipartisan investigations, persuade them all to risk their necks, obey illegal orders, make themselves accessories to murder and treason and bend over backwards to help overthrow their own government? Just wondering...
Really appreciate you, Professor Wrone , for this candid, point-by-point dismantling of the WR. Who needs actual facts when reenactments and selective interview remarks will fit nicely? And, someone who reportedly shot both a long gun and a hand gun would have gun-powder residue easily detectible via paraffin test. I learned a lot. Thank you. Who was behind this? Try the 3-letter Agency accountable to no one with an unlimited budget.
Well actually you didnt learn hackshit the parrifin test on the cheek is bunk.Three fbi agents tested that theory they all fired Oswslds Carcano they all three were negative for the cheek.Oswald was positive on the hands.
unfortunately lots and lots of old information still out there. Paraffin tests, even in '63, were deemed unreliable...kind of like polygraphs are. It is at the bottom of the barrel of hard evidence reliability - at the same level of eye-witness testimony. So much of the conspiracy narrative relies on eye-witness testimony and recollections. But this speaker's points are way off-base, misleading or jusrt wrong. For instance he said the police arrested Oswald without an autopsy and characterized that as wrong and conspiratorial. But any police department in the world would do the same in any murder case. The early evidence points strongly to one person, then they arrest (basing it on evidence) and the autopsy can be part of a trial to convict or it may exonerate the suspect before any trial or further action. Also characterizing an autopsy as merely a 'recreation' and not factual, hard evidence. On so many points this guy comes off like Rudy Guiliani or the Kracken lady talking about election fraud.
Officer Baker's original statement was that when he found Oswald on the second floor lunch room, Oswald was drinking a Coke. When they brought in a sprinter to ostensibly replicate Oswald bounding down the stairs from the supposed "sniper's nest" on the 6th floor to be in the lunch room in accordance with Baker's timetable, it turned out there wasn't time for the sprinter to get a Coke out of the dispenser after paying for it, so the element of Baker's testimony regarding the Coke in Oswald's hand was scratched. The Warren Commission bullied witnesses who had testimony in conflict with the pre-arranged conclusion, or they altered the testimony, if they talked to them at all. But oddly, the Warren Report included two items (at least) that refute the claims of Oswald being the lone killer. In the exhibits, the WR included the results of the paraffin test administered by the Dallas Police on Oswald proving he could not have fired a bolt action rifle as the official tale alleges. And they included the testimony of Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman who said a "flurry of shells" entered the limousine. A bolt action rifle cannot produce a flurry of bullets.
And there were several people who were in a position to see if anyone came bounding down the stairs after the shots and none of them said that anyone did. Hence, nobody did.
When Kellrman turned around and seen what happened he was so bedazzled he didnt know what the fuck he heard.He said it sounded like a sonic boom what funny nobody I mean nobody who was there close in Dealy Plaza des ribbed the shots that way also he was unable to say this flurry was no more than two shots read his WC Testimony.
@@randyharris3175 Officer Baker originally stated that OSWALD was drinking a Coke. The time table of getting from the 6th floor "sniper's nest" to the 2nd floor lunch room, with a sprinter acting as Oswald, did not allow sufficient time for the sprinter to be able to purchase a Coke and be in place for Baker to observe him after supposedly firing 3 shots from the 6th floor. So the Warren Commission chose to alter the testimony to fit the contrived timetable - and scratched out the part about Oswald having been seen with a Coke.
Such as? Please share as many as you can. There are many sitting on the fence relative to this subject. Any info you can share could make a difference.
David Wrone has virtually nailed it. His presentation is worthy of high praise. I would say that with the new evidence out there, he would add even more insight into the assassination. He touched on it, with Vietnam and world peace.
Excellent presentation.Point by point he shows the near absurdity of the WR.This along with "rush to judgement " by mark lane and the video by Bob Harris are among the best efforts going.
You have NO idea what u are talking about. This idiot tells us that there is a problem with 5.9 seconds and 3 shots. WHAT AN F'ING LIAR! We now know that he had as much as 12 seconds. This guy should know this!
“Fool me once, shame on… shame on you. Fool me, you can’t get fooled again.” That quote is just as relevant as the one you provided. What the hell are you talking about?
When Oswald had his time to speak to the press, he was shouted down by a person interrupting him which I think was Big Jim Lavelle . Dallas PD rushed him out of the way.
Fascinating podcast! Having read the “Brothers” book and after watching a # of other podcasts on the subject. I had never even heard of Mr. Wrone. He did more to convince me to keep an open mind on this subject, than any other info I have been exposed to. The fact that it was done in such a relatively short time is all the more impressive to me. Informative, factual, and thought provoking. Nicely done.
The people who really studied the facts know Oswald did it.The WC members who had complaints and didnt believe the single bullet theory.are the ones who weren't hardly present for the sessions Spector Liebler. Knew different.
He'll I seriously doubt the Jim Lavelle could have climbed a flight of stairs without huffing and puffing and probably most likely was at Ruby's Carousel Club the night before it closed it up
unfortunately lots and lots of old information still out there. Paraffin tests, even in '63, were deemed quite unreliable...kind of like polygraphs are. It is at the bottom of the barrel of hard evidence reliability - at the same level of eye-witness testimony. So much of the conspiracy narrative relies on eye-witness testimony and recollections. But this speaker's points are way off-base, misleading or just wrong. For instance he said the police arrested Oswald without an autopsy and characterized that as wrong and conspiratorial. But any police department in the world would do the same in any murder case. The early evidence points strongly to one person, then they arrest (basing it on evidence) and the autopsy can be part of a trial to convict or it may exonerate the suspect before any trial or further action. Also characterizing an autopsy as merely a 'recreation' and not factual, hard evidence. On so many points this guy comes off like Rudy Guiliani or the Kracken lady talking about election fraud.
Bruce Campbell Adamson and L. Fletcher Prouty are but two highly credible people to listen to on TH-cam. They help to illuminate certain aspects of this event and the historical context of it all as well.
Prouty's claims: (A) Open windows would never have been allowed along the parade route. JFK was often filmed riding through streets in parades in other cities, surrounded by open windows. (B) Richard Nixon was in Dallas during the assassination. He was at Idlewild Airport. (C) The Army Intelligence unit was ordered to "stand down" and provide no additional security. Flatly contradicted by the on-the-record testimony of the Op's Officer of the unit, who explicitly noted his unit *did* provide men. (D) Those multiple gunmen fired nine times, and professional hit men would use blanks in some of the guns to remove "psychological responsibility" and so they could swear under oath he was not the killer. Professional gunmen would know instantly if they were shooting blanks, most witnesses heard three shots only, the Fifth Amendment would have protected the rights of assassins to remain silent, under Texas law even gunmen shooting blanks would be party to murder, and these professional assassins would have a problem with lying under oath? (E) UFO's are real, Franklin Roosevelt was likely poisoned by Winston Churchill, and Princess Diana was killed by Secret Team assassins, Actually, these have all turned out to be correct. lol
Oswald was never supposed to leave the book depository. I believe they were supposed to kill him before he left so that all this would not have been possible.
@@terryburke2620 The only way to conclude that Oswald didn't kill Kennedy is to dismiss the actual evidence for some fantasy conspiracy story. Believing that Oswald killed Kennedy and believing everything the government tells you are not the same thing, by the way, and to claim that if you believe that Oswald killed Kennedy then you must believe everything the government tells you is a fallacy.
There a lot of more unbelievable things that happened he doesn't even mention.If you want to know about the Kennedy assassination ion start with his trip to Russia.
Well, the question you need to ask yourself is… Why is Oswald discarding his jacket and trying to commit suicide by cop when he resists arrest?.. Why these crackpots spin off into the universe instead of paying attention to fact such as those, is quite baffling..
Hell no they couldnt even get people to help carry his coffin.Well actually he did in a way they dug his body up 2o something years later to prove he really was in there.He died from massive blood loss.
Still believe that Roger Craig bullshit? lmfao!!!! He's been proven a lying jerk a loooooong time ago, before his death in '75 in fact Oh wait! Hewas probably the ONLY honnest police officer in Dallas then.. Hahahahahaha!!!!
There was film of Roger Craig there as Lt. Wietsman of the indemnity department who was a expert on weapons and owned a gun store. said it was 7.65 Mauser.
Why would Craig lie? What would his motive be? To be ridiculed and to have his life threatened? He didn't need to be a weapon expert, all he had to do is read the word stamped on the rifle.
There is a gap in his knowledge about the cone of debris. It not only sprayed Hargis, but Chaney too. And Chaney had even more blood than Hargis. The orientation if JFK's head could not allow a temple to right occipital with a shot from his right. It had to be from the SW, the area past where Tague stood, from over Tague's right shoulder. If a bullet from the NW, ie, the grassy knoll, we'd expect an exit hole in his LEFT occipital region. Unless the Parkland observers were all dyslexic, confusing right from left, the trajectory for the head shot had to be from the SW, the opposite end of the triple underpass from the grassy knoll. The throat shot that went through the windshield was the first shot, probably from an area under the viaduct in the pedestrian walkway. Just before the head shot JFK is nudged forward by a shot in his back. Second shot making contact with him. The head shot follows a fraction of a moment later. Just my opinion of course. If there were in fact two holes in JFK's back, it is conceivable the throat shot was a through and through, and a strafe mark is known to have been found on a square of sidewalk pavement in line with that trajectory. It was on the North side of Elm. It would have passed between Chaney and Jackson. The head round seems to have been a frangible bullet, a so-called dumdum, a mercury tipped round which would act after contact like a shotgun blast inside the brain case, explaining the parietal bone flapping out. Groden has shown enhanced footage shot from the infield or median strip showing the backward flying debris from the side of his head and occipital bone. That bone should have landed on the North side but if it hit Chaney's windshield it would explain how it flew into the infield. And that deflection would impact Hargis as well.
Thanks for your opinion, now here are some facts: Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo from behind. Kennedy is very clearly seen to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the right temple consistent ONLY with a shot from behind. Connally's said the shots all came from behind. Witnesses under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from overhead. Blood and gore went in all directions, splattering everybody seated forward in the limo. No bullets or fragments were ever found that did not match to Oswald's rifle. Autopsy shows the shots came from behind. Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos. It's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing at the victims from multiple, nearly opposite directions.
why dont you tell the readers here how many of bugLIEosis 53 supposed pieces of evidence are actually little more than opinion ? , or had you planned to keep that under your hat ? . after that we can talk about all that he chose to ignore , and about his omissions , distortions and lies . in fact i think i will show the readers one of his lies lol . 8. When Frazier and Oswald arrived in the parking lot for the Book Depository Building on the morning of the assassination, Oswald picked up the long package on the backseat and, for the first time ever, walked quickly ahead of Frazier all the way into the building, Oswald being approximately fifty feet ahead at the time he entered the building. Always previously, they had walked the three hundred or so yards from the car to the building together. above is what bugliosi said happened . so number 8 above , lets break it down , bugliosi is saying that upon arriving at the depository and parking up that oswald jumped out of wes fraziers car , grabbed a long package and took off about as fast as his little legs could carry him , leaving wes behind . so is this true and accurate ? well according to wes fraziers testimony its neither true or accurate . lets see . Joseph Ball: What did he do about the package in the back seat when he got out of the car? Buell Wesley Frazier: Like I say, I was watching the gages and watched the car for a few minutes before I cut it off. Joseph Ball: Yes. Buell Wesley Frazier: He got out of the car and he was wearing the jacket that has the big sleeves in them and he put the package that he had, you know, that he told me was curtain rods up under his arm, you know, and so he walked down behind the car and STANDING over there at the end of the cyclone fence WAITING FOE ME to get out of the car, and so quick as I cut the engine off and started out of the car, shut the door just as I was starting out just like getting out of the car, he started walking off and so I followed him in. lets set the scene her as frazier said it happened . he said that upon arriving at work with oswald that it was still several minutes before work started . he liked to watch the trains in the railyard , but also he felt he needed to charge his car battery a bit sitting there with the engine running . so with no great hurry he remained sat in his car seat , but oswald had exited the car . at some point frazier said he looked and saw that oswald was STILL THERE , oswald was (according to frazier ) STANDING by the fence WAITING FOR HIM . upon seeing this frazier jumps out of the car , but by that time oswald had walked off , and as they walked to the depository (frazier admitting he didnt rush ) oswald was about 50 feet ahead . frazier DIDNT EVEN TRY TO CATCH UP WITH OSWALD " I didn't try to catch up with him because I knew I had plenty of time so I just took my time walking up there" wes frazier so oswald was not 50 feet ahead because of any mad dash but because frazier stayed sat in his car and then slowly IN NO HURRY AT ALL followed oswald in after that . so to recap CONTRARY to bugliosis nonsense ad outright LIES oswald did not QUICKLY take off and leave frazier behind . oswald STOOD THERE , and he WAITED for frazier at the fence . oswald seeing frazier still sitting in his car and thinking he wasnt coming simply then walked off . and wes frazier slowly walked behind oswald making NO EFFORT at all to catch him up . you have bugliosis words above and fraziers ONE IS A LIE intended to deceive . 6. Oswald placed a long, bulky package in Wesley Frazier's car on the morning of Nov. 22. the above is more about what bugliosi decided NOT TO MENTION than what he did say . any talk of a package in fraziers car can ONLY have come from frazier . bugliosi mentions a LONG BULKY package . he of course is saying that that was a 36 inch long , atleast 12 feet wide , by about 4 inches deep package that the warren commission said oswald carried . wes frazier in testimony said the package he saw was only about 24 inches long , a whole foot TOO SHORT to be a carcano rifle as even when BROKEN DOWN and at its shortest the 40 inch long rifle was 36 inches long . so frazier said 24 inches long , and that is a whole foot too short . funny that bugliosi omitted to mention that lol . but thats not all ,. a second witness INSIDE the depository , just inside the door saw oswald walk in the door . this was dougherty , he said that oswald was not carrying a package of the size and length that the commission said he was carrying .
@@Tsnore so you have no reply to my comment about the deceptions , omissions , distortions and lies of bugliosi ? . are you not even going to attempt to stand up for support your hero the bug ? . lol . probably one of the wisest things you have done lol .
by the way you can educate me right here , you can start by providing irrefutable proof that what i posted in my earlier comment about bugiosi is WRONG , i shall look forward to that lol .
@@Tsnore Fobrien1 wants a debate. He Posts long winded nit picking conspiracy kook horse shit and expects people to address each one of his phony claims. He wants an endless debate because the only place he ever saw a naked woman is on the Internet. Fobrien1 isn't even an American.
better to read the actual Warren report and some material that is counter to your own narrative. That's what scientists do, try to disconfirm (falsify) their own experimental results. It makes the results stronger if you attack your own point of view. If it's strong, it stands
@@billkeon880 You trust the Warren Commission and report, yet you lecture me about science! The WC in the person or Arlen Specter invented the single bullet theory which is contrary to the evidence on the Zapbruder film and the testimony of Governor and Mrs. Connelly. I have read probably most of the arguments in favor of Oswald as the lone assassin, I have read Gerald Posner's book Case Closed and heard him speak on TV documentaries, I have also read Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. If I had time and space I would tell you what I think of them and why. I am convinced they are both disingenuous, with some kind of agenda. Btw, that single bullet (it's condition, where and how it was allegedly found) represents the perfect example of going out of one's way to prove something in spite of physics, logic, and eye-witness testimony.
@@tilesetter1953 I know because I was in the same position you're in now. I bought Jim Marrs book back in 1987 when I was finding out all about the foreign dirty tricks of the CIA in central America, Africa and middle east. Then in '91 when Stone's movie came out I was sold. It verified all the stuff in Oliver's movie (I did not realize that he used Marr's book as a big part of his plot and story). Since '91 I bought and read 25 conspiracy books including Lane (2), Garrison, Loftus, North, Douglass, etc etc. But in those years I always avoided any non-conspiracy book because I heard conspiracy people shooting them down so I thought 'why bother, someone else has done the work' and I was also a little afraid I be confronted with some good counter-evidence. I bought the Warren report but never read it. Then in 2016 I got brave enough to read Posner, then I got Bugliosi's gargantuan book and read it. Then McAdams, Sturdivan, the HSCA full report, False Witness by Lambert and finally to delve into Oswald's character...Mailer, and Pricilla Johnston. You owe it to yourself, if you're spent time reading pro-conspiracy books, to read the other side. The Z film has some value, but the hard evidence of the ballistics and autopsy are even stronger. Z film actually supports a shot from the rear. Sturdivan (one of the ballistics experts on the HSCA) does the math and physics in his book and shows the most JFK's head would move for a shot from even the highest power rifle available in '63 is 1-2 inches. What do we see at Z frame 312-313...the head moves forward an inch or so when the bullet hits. Yes, his body moves backward after that. The bullet moved him forward and grand-mal type muscle contraction moved him backward. This has been shown in animals. Eye-witness testimony is horribly flawed as we now know (check out the pioneering research by Elizabeth Loftus about this). The fact that two people in the midst of a life-threatening event could deduce what clearly happened is of questionable value. A vast amount of conspiracy 'evidence' is eye-witness memory of the event, which get clouded and muddled with newspaper reports etc in the media. The fact is that there are many other witnesses which counter their testimony and who weren't in the emotional moment of being hit. There are tons and tons of other aspects to the faulty conspiracy story. Much of it is finding anomalies in the investigations or aftermath, like the brain disappearing or autopsy photos not available etc...all which have pedantic, pedestrian reasons. That particular one being RFK did not want his brother's gruesome autopsy photos being released to the public in the report or his brain being preserved and taken on a King Tut road-show.
@@billkeon880 Connelly and his wife never bought the sigle bullet. They both said they were not hit by the same shot. A bullet does not fall out of a wound onto a stretcher, that is so absurd it makes me want to scream at people who just accept it as true. It takes a special kind of mental malfunction to believe it. Or just being completely obtuse.
@@tilesetter1953 so as I said in my last posting, ete-witness testimony is horrendously unreliable (especially for someone involved IN the event). If you look up the psychology esearch on this topic you find that vast majority of people get many crucial parts of a staged event wrong in controlled trials. And the more emotional parts of the event (someone shouting, sound of a gunshot, blood) are incorrectly reported in most aspects of the event and the key aspects are often wildly off. Listen to the physicist Neil De Grasse Tyson talking about eye-witness testimony..."it's the LOWEST form of evidence there is". The Connelly's story is irelevant in the face of the hard evidence. It's not hard to understand why they said this, if you've ever been in a violent crash or fall, many people say time goes into slow motion and this distorts your comprehension of time. As far as the bullet that travelled through JFK then Connelly falling out of his leg you say it's crazy. Well a couple of things. First, there was a very shallow would in Connelly's leg about the length of the Carcano bullet. Fits the single bullet theory. Second, the 17 forensic pathologists in the various panels and investigations since the WR (including the 9 in the HSCA) all concluded that there was nothing unusual about this bullet at all. They all verified the conclusions of the Warren report. You didn't read my previous post and haven't spent any time googling this stuff. Elizabeth Loftus - eye-witness reporting.
...with a rifle that didn't shoot straight, with a mis-matched and misaligned scope. The suggestion that it was the murder weapon is absurd, even if he had twenty minutes with it, and the target was stationary.
That is incorrect. Tests on Oswald showed he had not fired a weapon. Curry reported that he understood the tests were positive using it as info that led to Oswald's guilt. When it turned out the tests were negative, he presented it that the negative tests didn't mean all that much.
It's "paraffin", and it tests for nitrates, which is expected to be on the hands when handling books and other printed materials, but the fact there was none on his cheek is doubly exculpatory, because washing nitrates from his face would have washed it from his hands, also.
It was a British pistol which was Notorious inaccurate but had the unique ability it could The Bard with two different types of shells manufactured in the US. Lot of facts he's leaving out and untruths
Good, now you can explain how the people framing him knew: - he would immediately flee the TSBD - he would successfully escape Dealey Plaza - he would definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff - he owned a revolver at all - the revolver was at the rooming house - he would obtain the revolver - he would retain the revolver - he would decide at the last minute to put on a jacket - he would discard the jacket in the streets - an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton - a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene - there is ANY logic in attacking a cop on a public street since Oswald is already being sought anyway and if anything goes wrong here they just end up confirming a conspiracy exists - the cop won't simply outdraw and capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot - no other cop will capture the imposter - nobody will ever see the imposter again - Oswald will not be able to prove he was elsewhere during the shooting - they can safely count on ballistics experts to obey illegal orders to falsify evidence and make themselves accessories to murder - Oswald will agree to help frame himself trying to hide from passing police - Oswald will get caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later nearby - Oswald will fight so violently 3 officers will be injured just disarming him - Oswald will observe to police, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking the penalty for cop-killing - every cop in Oak Cliff and at the theater will promptly obey illegal orders to perjure themselves - the Dallas PD will be on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children...
The FBI report from the autopsy states the doctor said, "I can feel the end of the (back wound) with my finger". Of course, it will never be known exactly what the original notes said because he burned his notes. That's okay though, because he sign an avadavat acknowledging that he had. So if you admit to burning a piece of evidence, it's okay.
Absolutely sui generis critic of Warren Report nonsense. A sheer delight. All sorts of bold and surprising takes on many different angles of this massive subject. Oswald, IMHO, was little more than pure incoherence and confusion, leading investigators down foolish paths, then and now. We must get past this hopeless task of futilely trying to "understand" Oswald or make sense of his role in all this weirdness.
Perhaps Oswald immediately realized he was a patsy. I have no idea, but it is doubtful he got off all of the rounds in that time. IMHO. It’s a fascinating case to say the least.
False, he never fired a rifle that day, not the Mauser, not the Manlicher-Carcano. False, many other employees left the Depository after the shooting. We have only the word of the corrupt police regarding Oswald's attempt to use his (inoperable) pistol.
@diks13827 Oswald was not the only person that left the book depository after the shots were fired. According to reports he not only didn’t leave immediately he stopped at least long enough to drink a coke. Strange behavior for a man if he had just fired a rifle during a presidential motorcade seems to some.
@@tunafish2521 "Perhaps Oswald immediately realized he was a patsy. I have no idea, but it is doubtful he got off all of the rounds in that time." "Perhaps" is not a reason to believe anything. Oswald got off two shots in about 8.3 seconds, after the first one, maybe longer. Why is it doubtful that he could do that?
The film was examined at one eighteenth of a second intervals the presidents head moved forward over 2 inches at frame 313 pro wing the head shot came from behind .Also the blood mist went forward and up.
I asked you on another thread - if that's correct, why was Jackie picking up skull fragments strewn across the back of the limo? The debris should have gone the other way shouldn't it?
@@kyletitterton Not neccesarily when a bullet hits a human head going 2000 ft a second its goes in all different directions sort of like smashing a pimokin with a sledge hammer.
I believe the very last 2 shots a second apart was. 1st a shot to his upper back. He briefly leaned forward in pain then a second at the most the awful last exploding bullet from right front side. No way any of 2 rifles found on 6 floor can shoot that fast an I'm surprised don't have technology to detail zapruder film to show direction from shots. Though to me no way the last awful shot he briefly leans forward an the very quickly he goes back hard to the left s frontal shot. To me last 2 shots rear 1st 2nd shot right front side. I've watched many videos an read countless research comments this is what I presume. Though no proof is definitive unfortunately
@@davidwilliams4498 Only one gun found lets start with that. The two shots were not a second apart. The Z film.shows us this. Shot 2 happened behind the sign from Z film 210 to 225. 3rd shot at 313. If we take 2nd shot happened at 225 thats 4.8 seconds between 2nd and 3rd shots. Most people claim first shot came at 160 so that's a total of over eight seconds Oswald had to make the 3 shots.
He seems to be a little chemically inconvenienced. As his speech progresses he starts fumbling for words and keeps losing his place. The giggle juice seems to hit full effect around the 32 minute mark! Hilarious!
He is calling Garrison a kook he read a couple of goofy books got him off the track He is calling STONE film bullshit. Which he is right on both But his version is worst .
I’m not saying Oswald is guilty in fact I want to believe he didn’t do it however why would an innocent man go directly to get a revolver from his rooming house after an assassination
Oswald immediately fled the crime scene. He was ID'd as a cop killer. He was caught trying to shoot a second cop. He lied to police. He refused to cooperate with investigators. He made no attempt to blow any conspiracy to any cop, any member of his family, to the President of the Dallas Bar Association, or to a live TV audience of millions. Nobody framing this guy could possibly have known he would do these things, much less definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff.
@@aaronz7056If you look at the only colour photo of Oswald s mug shot on his right side there are three creases.i believe they show his tee shirt was soaked through sweating and was ironed by the butt of the rifle as he took aim .Dried on his escape they are in my opinion a permanent mark of the rifle butt.Have a look and see what you think.
I have been researching this for about 3 months daily, watched every video i could find I believe it was solely Oswald, but my question is about the first bullet if it did somehow hit that traffic light or pole which I think it did has anyone ever took a metal detector to the entire area and look for the bullet ? It is possible that bullet landed in grass and was buried. just a thought
@GregoryWild: Search for picture of Buddy Walthers. There is a picture of him and another person pulling what appears to be a bullet slug out of the grass on the south side of Elm. The missed shot helps rpove is was NOT a lone shooter (Oswald or anyone else). The bullet path thru JFK was never proven, it was assumed. One the night of the autopsy, Dr. Humes did n't even know there was a bullet would to throat. Also, the autopsy cover sheet shows the wound in the back was lower than what they thought was a trach incision.
How can you possibly believe Oswald did it.But to answer your question it being one of the greatest crimes in history they did not seal of the crime scene.A bullet was found the next day by a citizen.Watch Everything is a Rich Mans Trick How did he past the paraffin test ?
@@rickporvaznik5030 "No way it was Oswald." Who was it then? Say the person's name, along with the proof that you are naming the correct person. I do hope you do not insult the intelligence of all the people who will ever read these comments in the coming days, weeks, months, and years by naming George H.W. Bush, James Files, William Greer, Charles Harrelson, George Hickey, Lucien Sarti, or Mac Wallace, none of whom have come even remotely close to have ever been proven to have shot JFK. Thanks.
I do have still many questions of how he got the gun to the book store, and if the package he brought to work in the morning was able to be broke down to fit in the package he said was curtain rods, I am still a little fishy on his friends account of the drive to work and that package
@Gregory: No one inside the TSBD saw him carry a package into the building that morning or saw him carrying a package in the building at any point during the morning.
He told Bugloshi I 1986 he really didnt pay much attention to that package.In my opinion Frazier though he seems like a honest man,had a bitter distaste of how he was treated on that day being arrested and being accused of being in on it with Oswald .To this day he talks about how bad he was treated .I just think after that experience he didnt want to give the govt nothing.He didn't want to be the man who drove the murder weapon to the crime scene.Just my opinion.
Oswald owned both guns. He knew the rifle was stored in the Paine's garage. He showed up unannounced, unexpected and in mid-week, all for the first time, at the house Nov 21. Next morning he possessed a package he didn't have before and his rifle transports along the same route to the TSBD. No curtain rods were ever found. His palm print was on the rifle stock. A man who could plausibly have been him was seen in the window. No bullets or fragments were ever found that didn't match to his rifle. No mystery persons were ever seen coming down those stairs from the 6th floor. He was the only TSBD employee inside the building who immediately fled the place. A steady chain of witnesses ID'd him killing Tippit, fleeing and trying to kill MacDonald minutes later.
DO you have any opinion on the grassy knoll? Yes I do based on what no medical evidence.The grassy knoll shooter must have missed only bullets from the carcano found.
@Just think "nope. many truths were revealed the first hours. Oswald didn't fire a shot that day." Oh, who did fire the shots then? Say the person's full name, along with the proof that you are naming the correct person. And you won't be naming George H.W. Bush, William Greer, Charles Harrelson, George Hickey, James Files, Lucien Sarti, or Mac Wallace, since none of them have come anywhere close to having been proven to have fired even one shot in Dealey Plaza that day, correct?
@justthink5854 That's right, that's why he fled the crime scene, refused to cooperate with investigators, lied to police, acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty, and just shrugged a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?" And of course, the nearly dozen Oak Cliff witnesses who ID'd him were all lying as part of the conspiracy. lol
there is a closet in the Dallas Police Department that has been locked since 1963 and never opened the bullet was a 22-250 -hollowed out and fulled with liquid mercury - shot at at 4000 fps
At 45:10 you confirm what was forensically proven by a detective has done this and retired and is never wrong..and no cop would do this from america. So an Aussie did it He conclusive ly proved slam dunk the angles and calibers and film frames. Conclusion ...secret service turned fast to return fire with a cocked loaded colt M16. The driver hit the gas and he fell backward only picture shows him the split second after the car of agents all split second realized he accidentally shot the president. He was a driver detail not a sniper detail it was a new gun. He was the only agent not drinking till 5 am.. George Hickey the agent who accidentally fired the shot that started all the jfk controversy. If we hadn't learned in 1998 that the only unidentified print in the room belonged to Mac Wallace a convicted murderer that leads to LBJs door. LBJ is implicated with this man in 8 murders. Oops. Lee may well not have shot the Prez. Unless all those workers know just what to say to get paid. But the facts are in secret service discontinued use of that rifle that day for some strange reason and yes it is a high speed 222 hollow tip...only its 223. Still the same drill hole . As Jack's head lays on his wife's shoulder the only angle possible was the little drill hole straight back to the secret service car. This explains a hundred theories and explains an even bigger cover up of allied enemies of this administration. Hoover flew out at 3 am we know that...Kennedy flew in at 11am we know that.... the infamous Murchison meeting with all the sons of Texas and their minions. Preston Bush was where ?
So why did Oswald shoot Tippit just because they didn't know know his direct route they knew he was there.Now hes making assumptions the same thing he is accusing the WC of doing. The mans watch says 110 how do you know the mans watch wasn't 5 minutes off. Just to be fair this man knows kess than me.
Wrone is a credible scholar of the assassination who raises some good questions, but the man is stuck in time. Very few murder investigations involve pieces that fit perfectly. You take the evidence and use it to create a reconstruction of probable events. That happens in nearly every murder investigation, but Wrone pretends that this is somehow unusual. It’s not. The other problem with Wrone is that he uses discredited evidence, such the belief that the assassin had less than six seconds instead of the minimum of 8.3 seconds. It was actually a fairly easy shot from the TSBD, especially for someone with Oswald’s marksmanship skills. You don’t even need a scope because the path of the limousine was headed down an incline in a straight line. The grassy knoll would have been a harder shot because the limousine would have been moving side to side. And a grassy knoll shooter would have been exposed to the hundreds of spectators who were looking in that direction. Experienced shooters know that and other facts such as the fact that guns don’t emit visible smoke since the invention of smokeless powder in the 1800’s. Zapruder and others thought the President was shot from the front not because they heard a gun shot or saw a shooter, but because they confused an exit wound with an entrance wound. Like Wrone, they watched too many westerns and had no real world knowledge of what happens to someone who is shot in the head. Wrone really loses credibility because he is appallingly ignorant of forensics. In the end, people like Wrone fell into a trap with their earlier opinions which have been discredited by advancements in forensic science and computer assisted reconstruction. Rather than lose face, and admit they got it wrong, they cling to their earlier, albeit discredited, opinions until death. Perhaps it’s because he’s a lefty who could never deal with the fact that Oswald was a Marxist. That was Mark Lane’s motivation. Watch Wrone try to claim that Oswald wasn’t a dedicated Marxist. It is on this point that Wrone has no credibility and reveals his true motivation.
Oswald's best score for shooting was 112. That is an average shot. There were two Oswalds in the marines at the time. Oswalds height while in the marines was put down as 5' 11. He lost 2 inches once arrested. 5' 9. Wherever we look, there are glaring inconsistencies. The main reason for me.on the Oswald didn't do it fence. Expert shooters couldn't replicate those three shots accurately at an elevation of 30ft. The sixth floor was at 54ft. According to trained snipers, it is way more difficult to shoot accurately at elevation aiming down. The higher it is, the more difficult. The shots from the 6th floor were difficult, but not impossible. Saying the shots were easy goes against the views of experts.
@@aaronz7056 The other Oswald's real name was Norton. Still alive today. When it comes to spies, lookalikes are a common tactic. You should know this, but i guess some people live under a rock.
The rifle found first was a Mauser then next day it turn into a 6.5 Manlichter Carcano. Two shells were found at the supposedly sniper's and one bent shell on the left behind the boxes with bag of chicken bones a empty pop bottle. I believe that fire maybe came the the roof of the TSBD and the Daltex building and grassy knoll. First shot was complete miss hit the curb and caused Tague's wound.
That fantasy came from demonstrable serial liar Roger Craig. News film shows the rifle brought down was a Mannlicher-Carcano. Beliefs are not evidence.
He is stating things as if you knew the exact minute Oswald did something Such as nobody knows the exact minute he left the rooming house What if it was 4 minutes till 1 Oswald could have been at the corner of tenth and Patton.by 107 Gary Mack walked one route in 11.5 minutes .You know he was there 10 people sen him escaping the scene.He is throwing out common sense He was there regardless of when he actually left.
They have not found one person that saw Oswald walking the route they assumed he walked to get to 10th & Patton. Yet there were multiple people outside who say they witnessed the shooting. And not all of the witnesses gave a description that matched Oswald.
You speculate Oswald caught the bus to the Texas theater. How about Calloway Markam The Davis sisters all I'd him in the lineup. I think this guy has dementia.
@@theend9258 Whatever, Oswald did it, he lied to police, refused to cooperate, shrugged a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?" and acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty.
Folks, this is a great example of why we should never regard professors as necessarily intelligent or clear thinking individuals. If you do your own studies in earnest, you will easy seethe distortions and mischaracterization in this presentation. Disgraceful.
@@656hookemhorns No he just sees value in alerting the unwary when they are being misled by crackpots so beside themselves with paranoia they assume anybody not on board for this conspiracy idiocy must be a "CIA shill..."
In 1987 I was privately shown a copy of the ORIGINAL UNALTERED Zapruder film, which very clearly shows the DRIVER of JFK's limousine turn around with a gun in his left hand and kill JFK by shooting him in his head!! I could also see Mrs Kennedy's mouth drop open in horror upon seeing this happen, and she climbed out over the back of the car to get away from the TRUE assassin!! The Connallys saw this happen as well, but lied about what they had seen happen in the car, because they didn't want to be killed as well!!
Yes, Agent Greer, knowing he was surrounded by witnesses and at least two people pointing cameras straight at him, turned around in his seat into the faces of a carful of passengers inches from him, pulled out his gun, then framed Lee Harvey Oswald by shooting Kennedy in the face.... lol
Wow! There are so many problems with this presentation I’m amazed anyone takes the time to listen to this guy. Every point he makes is distorted, confused, meandering and taken out of context. Watch at your own risk...
listen to! not too. betting that you didn't go TOO far with your education. By geyser i assume you mean old faithful. if you had used geezer that might have landed a little better. at least you spelled your name correctly. other than that...
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I liked David Wrone's presentation very much. He did make a few inconsequential errors in small details, but overall I think he's on point.
He made a lot of mistakes.
First he says there are bigger issues and that people embraced the WC conclusion. Which is not true.
It was not a Dallas police assumption.Theres a mountain of evidence against Oswald.in fact every law enfircement official in Dallas knew he was guilty.
Its easy to go and nit pick the WC this guy is no better than anybody else
@@randyharris3175the warren Report , didn’t have the eye witnesses that saw the truth that day , they were disguarded , how many witnesses that saw/heard shots from the picket fence are in the volumes of the report ? Did the deaf guy who saw the shooter at the picket fence and then pass it on to another man dressed as a railway worker , did he get in the Report ? Did the guy in the railway box behind the picket fence who saw a man walking up and down the length of the fence just before the motorcade went past ,was he called to give his evidence to the WC report ? The answer to hall these is NO they didn’t get into the Report Why ? Because it didn’t fit the narrative that of a single shooter end of .
The truth will expose the liars, that's why there was a coverup. Those that seek the truth will be answered.
The scene of Oswald running down the stairs in the film JFK was to demonstrate that there would have been witnesses, not to depict what actually occurred. "Burlesque" is not pronounced like "barbecue". The paraphin test results were doubly exculpatory, in that Oswald's hands tested positive for nitrates (which is to be expected when handling books), but negative on the cheek, indicating that he neither fired a rifle, nor washed his face (which would have washed the nitrates from his hands in doing so). Fact is, Oswald was at the Depository's entrance during the motorcade, left, went to his rooming house room to change his undershirt, then went to meet his handler at the Texas Theater. Much of what makes the case so difficult is that there were 2 Oswalds: Harvey and Lee, two mothers, two different childhoods, both Marines, both involved in military secret operations, one a sheep-dipped patsy.
The rifle doesn't leave nitrates on the face. An FBI agent fired Oswald's rifle three times in rapid succession and also tested negative for nitrates on the cheek, as expected. Oswald not only tested positive for nitrates on both hands (which is to be expected when firing a revolver), but the examiner noted that the pattern on his right hand was typical of the pattern produced in firing a revolver. He obviously never had a chance to wash his hands after shooting Tippit. You say that Oswald was at the TSBD entrance during the motorcade. What in the world do you base that on? There are no pictures of him there, no witnesses said that he was there, and Oswald himself didn't say that he was "at the Depository's entrance during the motorcade." There is also no evidence that shows that Oswald had a handler, or that he was going to meet his handler at the Texas Theatre. That is sheer, unfounded conjecture. The stuff about two Oswalds, two mothers, etc., is beyond silly.
@@9BallrThere was a man claiming he was Oswald at the !Mexican embasey,but he did not look like the Oswald that was arrested and held at Dallas
Police Dept.
Those witnesses who didn't see Oswald on the stairs (and they couldn't even agree on their own times) came downstairs after he did and no doubt you would care to explain how the "real killers" escaped downstairs since they never saw them either!
@@9Ballr Funny, isn't it, how Oswald oddly never tried to bring this whole investigation to a hasty conclusion by telling police or the TV cameras, "Wait, I can prove I'm innocent, I was downstairs with the other employees in the Depository entrance!"... ? lol
I spent a semester debunking the Warren Report In David Wrone's course on political assassinations..great class...I'm very grateful for all of the skills I learned in his class. Much appreciated.
You should use your time to study instead of losing time trying to convince others with lies ;-)
btw, since we are here, what is it that YOU debunked? (not things you saw on yt, things YOU debunked)
Thanks and have a nice one ;-)
You debunked it in your own mind.
Since you've done so, could you explain to us all how a conspiracy knew in advance where Oswald's guns were, or that no bullets or fragments would ever be found in either murder that don't match to his weapons, or that he would show up at the Paine's house Nov 21, or that he wouldn't stand out in the street to watch the parade, or that he would immediately flee the TSBD, or that they need to have a double for him hanging around Oak Cliff, or that a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton, or that the cop won't capture the imposter, or that Oswald will help frame himself by trying to shoot MacDonald, or that they could safely approach scores and scores of police, bystanders, Secret Service, FBI, witnesses, medical staff at two hospitals, military personnel, journalists, networks, whole bipartisan investigations, persuade them all to risk their necks, obey illegal orders, make themselves accessories to murder and treason and bend over backwards to help overthrow their own government?
Just wondering...
@aaron z. - I thought the Garrison piece with Johnny Carson was the pits , this tops even that carbunkle
As we already did more than fifty years ago.
Really appreciate you, Professor Wrone , for this candid, point-by-point dismantling of the WR. Who needs actual facts when reenactments and selective interview remarks will fit nicely? And, someone who reportedly shot both a long gun and a hand gun would have gun-powder residue easily detectible via paraffin test. I learned a lot. Thank you. Who was behind this? Try the 3-letter Agency accountable to no one with an unlimited budget.
Well actually you didnt learn hackshit the parrifin test on the cheek is bunk.Three fbi agents tested that theory they all fired Oswslds Carcano they all three were negative for the cheek.Oswald was positive on the hands.
unfortunately lots and lots of old information still out there. Paraffin tests, even in '63, were deemed unreliable...kind of like polygraphs are. It is at the bottom of the barrel of hard evidence reliability - at the same level of eye-witness testimony. So much of the conspiracy narrative relies on eye-witness testimony and recollections. But this speaker's points are way off-base, misleading or jusrt wrong. For instance he said the police arrested Oswald without an autopsy and characterized that as wrong and conspiratorial. But any police department in the world would do the same in any murder case. The early evidence points strongly to one person, then they arrest (basing it on evidence) and the autopsy can be part of a trial to convict or it may exonerate the suspect before any trial or further action. Also characterizing an autopsy as merely a 'recreation' and not factual, hard evidence. On so many points this guy comes off like Rudy Guiliani or the Kracken lady talking about election fraud.
LBJ
And the government is still at it today along with the press and Congress.
Oswald tested positive on his hands and this guy is clearly not interested in facts when paranoid and crackpot speculation will fit nicely.
Officer Baker's original statement was that when he found Oswald on the second floor lunch room, Oswald was drinking a Coke. When they brought in a sprinter to ostensibly replicate Oswald bounding down the stairs from the supposed "sniper's nest" on the 6th floor to be in the lunch room in accordance with Baker's timetable, it turned out there wasn't time for the sprinter to get a Coke out of the dispenser after paying for it, so the element of Baker's testimony regarding the Coke in Oswald's hand was scratched. The Warren Commission bullied witnesses who had testimony in conflict with the pre-arranged conclusion, or they altered the testimony, if they talked to them at all. But oddly, the Warren Report included two items (at least) that refute the claims of Oswald being the lone killer. In the exhibits, the WR included the results of the paraffin test administered by the Dallas Police on Oswald proving he could not have fired a bolt action rifle as the official tale alleges. And they included the testimony of Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman who said a "flurry of shells" entered the limousine. A bolt action rifle cannot produce a flurry of bullets.
And there were several people who were in a position to see if anyone came bounding down the stairs after the shots and none of them said that anyone did. Hence, nobody did.
When Kellrman turned around and seen what happened he was so bedazzled he didnt know what the fuck he heard.He said it sounded like a sonic boom what funny nobody I mean nobody who was there close in Dealy Plaza des ribbed the shots that way also he was unable to say this flurry was no more than two shots read his WC Testimony.
Show me where Officer Baker was drinking a coke.
@@david-spliso1928 Or so they said.
@@randyharris3175 Officer Baker originally stated that OSWALD was drinking a Coke. The time table of getting from the 6th floor "sniper's nest" to the 2nd floor lunch room, with a sprinter acting as Oswald, did not allow sufficient time for the sprinter to be able to purchase a Coke and be in place for Baker to observe him after supposedly firing 3 shots from the 6th floor. So the Warren Commission chose to alter the testimony to fit the contrived timetable - and scratched out the part about Oswald having been seen with a Coke.
David Wrone nails it. But like 911 no one pays attention. Excellent presentation
He gets so much demonstrably wrong here I literally lost count.
Such as? Please share as many as you can. There are many sitting on the fence relative to this subject. Any info you can share could make a difference.
David Wrone has virtually nailed it. His presentation is worthy of high praise. I would say that with the new evidence out there, he would add even more insight into the assassination. He touched on it, with Vietnam and world peace.
Excellent presentation.Point by point he shows the near absurdity of the WR.This along with "rush to judgement " by mark lane and the video by Bob Harris are among the best efforts going.
You have NO idea what u are talking about. This idiot tells us that there is a problem with 5.9 seconds and 3 shots. WHAT AN F'ING LIAR! We now know that he had as much as 12 seconds. This guy should know this!
@@goodgood9955 Try your filthy attitude among civilised people. You already blew it. Smh.
Yes if you believe fictiion.Just to be honest the WC has never been debunked
@@goodgood9955 Probably like 8 4 seconds but you're right.
@@david-spliso1928 Is that because you have no argument?
As Lord Acton stated: " Power Corrupts and Absolute Power,Corrupts,Absolutely."
“Fool me once, shame on… shame on you. Fool me, you can’t get fooled again.”
That quote is just as relevant as the one you provided. What the hell are you talking about?
@@ckom0007 Your" quote is inaccurate,and definitely, not applicable." You are a bot,bye.
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I’m a bot? If life were only that easy...
When Oswald had his time to speak to the press, he was shouted down by a person interrupting him which I think was Big Jim Lavelle . Dallas PD rushed him out of the way.
That's wrong.
it was jack ruby
Yeah, these same police ALLOWED HIM TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC AT A PRESS CONFERENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE. lol
Fascinating podcast! Having read the “Brothers” book and after watching a # of other podcasts on the subject. I had never even heard of Mr. Wrone. He did more to convince me to keep an open mind on this subject, than any other info I have been exposed to. The fact that it was done in such a relatively short time is all the more impressive to me. Informative, factual, and thought provoking. Nicely done.
Impressed. No cue cards, no teleprompter,
Great Presentation. Thank you for this.
Packed with demonstrable lies.
In addition to Miami there was an attempt in Chicago with another Marine for the Patsy.There so much to this story it so interesting.
Wrong they detained somebody no.big plot revealed a lot of shit came out after the fact.
So much to this story you're confused about.Dont believe nothing you hear and half what you see in this case unless it is verified nine ways to Sunday
Not really study the fscts.
All presidents have multiple threats and attempts. Miami and Chicago mean nothing
@@randyharris3175 it was the Mafia
I think we have to move beyond Oswald's innocence there no doubt about that.So who is guilty and why did they do it.
You're an idiot Oswald dit it beyond any doubt.
Johnson and Curry said it was possible.Thats not the same as saying they did not believe the conclusio.
Spoken like a real conspiracy kook
Congratulations you just earned the title.
Lol your a nut.
The people who really studied the facts know Oswald did it.The WC members who had complaints and didnt believe the single bullet theory.are the ones who weren't hardly present for the sessions Spector Liebler. Knew different.
He'll I seriously doubt the Jim Lavelle could have climbed a flight of stairs without huffing and puffing and probably most likely was at Ruby's Carousel Club the night before it closed it up
"Probably most likely..."
Fantastic presentation. I really enjoyed it
unfortunately lots and lots of old information still out there. Paraffin tests, even in '63, were deemed quite unreliable...kind of like polygraphs are. It is at the bottom of the barrel of hard evidence reliability - at the same level of eye-witness testimony. So much of the conspiracy narrative relies on eye-witness testimony and recollections. But this speaker's points are way off-base, misleading or just wrong. For instance he said the police arrested Oswald without an autopsy and characterized that as wrong and conspiratorial. But any police department in the world would do the same in any murder case. The early evidence points strongly to one person, then they arrest (basing it on evidence) and the autopsy can be part of a trial to convict or it may exonerate the suspect before any trial or further action. Also characterizing an autopsy as merely a 'recreation' and not factual, hard evidence. On so many points this guy comes off like Rudy Guiliani or the Kracken lady talking about election fraud.
This guys voice reminds me of Mr Rodger's, this is a very good and relaxing listen.
Bruce Campbell Adamson and L. Fletcher Prouty are but two highly credible people to listen to on TH-cam. They help to illuminate certain aspects of this event and the historical context of it all as well.
Prouty's claims:
(A) Open windows would never have been allowed along the parade route.
JFK was often filmed riding through streets in parades in other cities, surrounded by open windows.
(B) Richard Nixon was in Dallas during the assassination.
He was at Idlewild Airport.
(C) The Army Intelligence unit was ordered to "stand down" and provide no additional security.
Flatly contradicted by the on-the-record testimony of the Op's Officer of the unit, who explicitly noted his unit *did* provide men.
(D) Those multiple gunmen fired nine times, and professional hit men would use blanks in some of the guns to remove "psychological responsibility" and so they could swear under oath he was not the killer.
Professional gunmen would know instantly if they were shooting blanks, most witnesses heard three shots only, the Fifth Amendment would have protected the rights of assassins to remain silent, under Texas law even gunmen shooting blanks would be party to murder, and these professional assassins would have a problem with lying under oath?
(E) UFO's are real, Franklin Roosevelt was likely poisoned by Winston Churchill, and Princess Diana was killed by Secret Team assassins,
Actually, these have all turned out to be correct. lol
Oswald was never supposed to leave the book depository. I believe they were supposed to kill him before he left so that all this would not have been possible.
@terryburke2620 There was no "they," only Oswald.
@@stddisclaimer8020 keep believing everything the government tells you. Oswald didn’t kill Kennedy.
@@terryburke2620 The only way to conclude that Oswald didn't kill Kennedy is to dismiss the actual evidence for some fantasy conspiracy story.
Believing that Oswald killed Kennedy and believing everything the government tells you are not the same thing, by the way, and to claim that if you believe that Oswald killed Kennedy then you must believe everything the government tells you is a fallacy.
@@9Ballr keep believing the bullshit Uncle Sam tells you. The evidence proves he could not have hit him with that shot. You are a gullible idiot
Beliefs are not evidence.
As previously,stated by other Americans,if the Ptesident of the United States can be assassinated,think what can HAPPEN to any American citizen!
Unintentional ASMR.
Can everything he’s saying possibly be true? Incredible
There a lot of more unbelievable things that happened he doesn't even mention.If you want to know about the Kennedy assassination
ion start with his trip to Russia.
Well, the question you need to ask yourself is… Why is Oswald discarding his jacket and trying to commit suicide by cop when he resists arrest?..
Why these crackpots spin off into the universe instead of paying attention to fact such as those, is quite baffling..
Crackpot conspiracy paranoia.
was oswald ever given an autopsy?..if so what were their findings?
never heard anyone ask this!!! awesome 👍
Hell no they couldnt even get people to help carry his coffin.Well actually he did in a way they dug his body up 2o something years later to prove he really was in there.He died from massive blood loss.
Was not really necessary was witnesses murdered in live tv.
Of course he was given an autopsy. Turns out he was shot to death....
A Mauser was found..it turned into a Carcano the next day
Still believe that Roger Craig bullshit?
lmfao!!!!
He's been proven a lying jerk a loooooong time ago, before his death in '75 in fact
Oh wait! Hewas probably the ONLY honnest police officer in Dallas then.. Hahahahahaha!!!!
Donald Troll warren puppet
There was film of Roger Craig there as Lt. Wietsman of the indemnity department who was a expert on weapons and owned a gun store. said it was 7.65 Mauser.
Why would Craig lie? What would his motive be? To be ridiculed and to have his life threatened? He didn't need to be a weapon expert, all he had to do is read the word stamped on the rifle.
Yes, logical. All constructed as the foolish lbj and his gang plot.
There is a gap in his knowledge about the cone of debris. It not only sprayed Hargis, but Chaney too. And Chaney had even more blood than Hargis. The orientation if JFK's head could not allow a temple to right occipital with a shot from his right. It had to be from the SW, the area past where Tague stood, from over Tague's right shoulder. If a bullet from the NW, ie, the grassy knoll, we'd expect an exit hole in his LEFT occipital region. Unless the Parkland observers were all dyslexic, confusing right from left, the trajectory for the head shot had to be from the SW, the opposite end of the triple underpass from the grassy knoll.
The throat shot that went through the windshield was the first shot, probably from an area under the viaduct in the pedestrian walkway.
Just before the head shot JFK is nudged forward by a shot in his back. Second shot making contact with him. The head shot follows a fraction of a moment later.
Just my opinion of course.
If there were in fact two holes in JFK's back, it is conceivable the throat shot was a through and through, and a strafe mark is known to have been found on a square of sidewalk pavement in line with that trajectory. It was on the North side of Elm. It would have passed between Chaney and Jackson. The head round seems to have been a frangible bullet, a so-called dumdum, a mercury tipped round which would act after contact like a shotgun blast inside the brain case, explaining the parietal bone flapping out. Groden has shown enhanced footage shot from the infield or median strip showing the backward flying debris from the side of his head and occipital bone. That bone should have landed on the North side but if it hit Chaney's windshield it would explain how it flew into the infield. And that deflection would impact Hargis as well.
Thanks for your opinion, now here are some facts:
Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo from behind.
Kennedy is very clearly seen to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the right temple consistent ONLY with a shot from behind.
Connally's said the shots all came from behind.
Witnesses under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from overhead.
Blood and gore went in all directions, splattering everybody seated forward in the limo.
No bullets or fragments were ever found that did not match to Oswald's rifle.
Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos.
It's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing at the victims from multiple, nearly opposite directions.
But 53 pieces of circumstantial and hard evidence indicting Oswald make all this wind a moot presentation.
why dont you tell the readers here how many of bugLIEosis 53 supposed pieces of evidence are actually little more than opinion ? , or had you planned to keep that under your hat ? .
after that we can talk about all that he chose to ignore , and about his omissions , distortions and lies . in fact i think i will show the readers one of his lies lol .
8. When Frazier and Oswald arrived in the parking lot for the Book
Depository Building on the morning of the assassination, Oswald picked
up the long package on the backseat and, for the first time ever, walked
quickly ahead of Frazier all the way into the building, Oswald being
approximately fifty feet ahead at the time he entered the building.
Always previously, they had walked the three hundred or so yards from
the car to the building together.
above is what bugliosi said happened .
so number 8 above , lets break it down , bugliosi is saying that upon
arriving at the depository and parking up that oswald jumped out of wes
fraziers car , grabbed a long package and took off about as fast as his
little legs could carry him , leaving wes behind . so is this true and
accurate ? well according to wes fraziers testimony its neither true or
accurate . lets see .
Joseph Ball: What did he do about the package in the back seat when he
got out of the car?
Buell Wesley Frazier: Like I say, I was watching the
gages and watched the car for a few minutes before I cut it off.
Joseph Ball: Yes.
Buell Wesley Frazier: He got out of the car and he was wearing
the jacket that has the big sleeves in them and he put the package that
he had, you know, that he told me was curtain rods up under his arm,
you know, and so he walked down behind the car and STANDING over there
at the end of the cyclone fence WAITING FOE ME to get out of the car,
and so quick as I cut the engine off and started out of the car, shut
the door just as I was starting out just like getting out of the car, he
started walking off and so I followed him in.
lets set the scene her as frazier said it happened . he said that upon arriving at work with oswald that it was still several minutes before work started . he liked to watch the trains in the railyard , but also he felt he needed to charge his car battery a bit sitting there with the engine running . so with no great hurry he remained sat in his car seat , but oswald had exited the car . at some point frazier said he looked and saw that oswald was STILL THERE , oswald was (according to frazier ) STANDING by the fence WAITING FOR HIM . upon seeing this frazier jumps out of the car , but by that time oswald had walked off , and as they walked to the depository (frazier admitting he didnt rush ) oswald was about 50 feet ahead .
frazier DIDNT EVEN TRY TO CATCH UP WITH OSWALD
" I didn't try to catch up with him because I knew I had plenty of time so I just took my time walking up there" wes frazier
so oswald was not 50 feet ahead because of any mad dash but because frazier stayed sat in his car and then slowly IN NO HURRY AT ALL followed oswald in after that . so to recap CONTRARY to bugliosis nonsense ad outright LIES oswald did not QUICKLY take off and leave frazier behind . oswald STOOD THERE , and he WAITED for frazier at the fence . oswald seeing frazier still sitting in his car and thinking he wasnt coming simply then walked off . and wes frazier slowly walked behind oswald making NO EFFORT at all to catch him up .
you have bugliosis words above and fraziers ONE IS A LIE intended to deceive .
6. Oswald placed a long, bulky package in Wesley Frazier's car on the
morning of Nov. 22.
the above is more about what bugliosi decided NOT TO MENTION than what he did say . any talk of a package in fraziers car can ONLY have come from frazier . bugliosi mentions a LONG BULKY package . he of course is saying that that was a 36 inch long , atleast 12 feet wide , by about 4 inches deep package that the warren commission said oswald carried . wes frazier in testimony said the package he saw was only about 24 inches long , a whole foot TOO SHORT to be a carcano rifle as even when BROKEN DOWN and at its shortest the 40 inch long rifle was 36 inches long . so frazier said 24 inches long , and that is a whole foot too short . funny that bugliosi omitted to mention that lol .
but thats not all ,. a second witness INSIDE the depository , just inside the door saw oswald walk in the door . this was dougherty , he said that oswald was not carrying a package of the size and length that the commission said he was carrying .
@@fobrien1 Go to Oswald Did it! at Tsnore on TH-cam and get an education rather than hopelessly swim in conspiracy nonsense.
@@Tsnore so you have no reply to my comment about the deceptions , omissions , distortions and lies of bugliosi ? . are you not even going to attempt to stand up for support your hero the bug ? . lol . probably one of the wisest things you have done lol .
by the way you can educate me right here , you can start by providing irrefutable proof that what i posted in my earlier comment about bugiosi is WRONG , i shall look forward to that lol .
@@Tsnore
Fobrien1 wants a debate. He Posts long winded nit picking conspiracy kook horse shit and expects people to address each one of his phony claims. He wants an endless debate because the only place he ever saw a naked woman is on the Internet. Fobrien1 isn't even an American.
I agree with everything except the Jack Ruby deal.. He was seen with a truck load of men in the area of Dealy Plaza,
Rubbish, and Ruby was at a newspaper office placing an ad for his club during the assassination.
How do you not have closed caption
It's probably for the best... lol
Listen to the inaccuracy at 13:35. Milteer was not an undercover agent.
Wrone is a LOON that even has a problem with the physical binding & color of WC report
That's not what he said. Listen more carefully next time.
Please watch the TH-cam video "Two Men in Dallas" about the murder weapon.
better to read the actual Warren report and some material that is counter to your own narrative. That's what scientists do, try to disconfirm (falsify) their own experimental results. It makes the results stronger if you attack your own point of view. If it's strong, it stands
@@billkeon880 You trust the Warren Commission and report, yet you lecture me about science! The WC in the person or Arlen Specter invented the single bullet theory which is contrary to the evidence on the Zapbruder film and the testimony of Governor and Mrs. Connelly.
I have read probably most of the arguments in favor of Oswald as the lone assassin, I have read Gerald Posner's book Case Closed and heard him speak on TV documentaries, I have also read Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. If I had time and space I would tell you what I think of them and why. I am convinced they are both disingenuous, with some kind of agenda.
Btw, that single bullet (it's condition, where and how it was allegedly found) represents the perfect example of going out of one's way to prove something in spite of physics, logic, and eye-witness testimony.
@@tilesetter1953 I know because I was in the same position you're in now. I bought Jim Marrs book back in 1987 when I was finding out all about the foreign dirty tricks of the CIA in central America, Africa and middle east. Then in '91 when Stone's movie came out I was sold. It verified all the stuff in Oliver's movie (I did not realize that he used Marr's book as a big part of his plot and story). Since '91 I bought and read 25 conspiracy books including Lane (2), Garrison, Loftus, North, Douglass, etc etc. But in those years I always avoided any non-conspiracy book because I heard conspiracy people shooting them down so I thought 'why bother, someone else has done the work' and I was also a little afraid I be confronted with some good counter-evidence. I bought the Warren report but never read it. Then in 2016 I got brave enough to read Posner, then I got Bugliosi's gargantuan book and read it. Then McAdams, Sturdivan, the HSCA full report, False Witness by Lambert and finally to delve into Oswald's character...Mailer, and Pricilla Johnston. You owe it to yourself, if you're spent time reading pro-conspiracy books, to read the other side. The Z film has some value, but the hard evidence of the ballistics and autopsy are even stronger. Z film actually supports a shot from the rear. Sturdivan (one of the ballistics experts on the HSCA) does the math and physics in his book and shows the most JFK's head would move for a shot from even the highest power rifle available in '63 is 1-2 inches. What do we see at Z frame 312-313...the head moves forward an inch or so when the bullet hits. Yes, his body moves backward after that. The bullet moved him forward and grand-mal type muscle contraction moved him backward. This has been shown in animals. Eye-witness testimony is horribly flawed as we now know (check out the pioneering research by Elizabeth Loftus about this). The fact that two people in the midst of a life-threatening event could deduce what clearly happened is of questionable value. A vast amount of conspiracy 'evidence' is eye-witness memory of the event, which get clouded and muddled with newspaper reports etc in the media. The fact is that there are many other witnesses which counter their testimony and who weren't in the emotional moment of being hit. There are tons and tons of other aspects to the faulty conspiracy story. Much of it is finding anomalies in the investigations or aftermath, like the brain disappearing or autopsy photos not available etc...all which have pedantic, pedestrian reasons. That particular one being RFK did not want his brother's gruesome autopsy photos being released to the public in the report or his brain being preserved and taken on a King Tut road-show.
@@billkeon880 Connelly and his wife never bought the sigle bullet. They both said they were not hit by the same shot. A bullet does not fall out of a wound onto a stretcher, that is so absurd it makes me want to scream at people who just accept it as true. It takes a special kind of mental malfunction to believe it. Or just being completely obtuse.
@@tilesetter1953 so as I said in my last posting, ete-witness testimony is horrendously unreliable (especially for someone involved IN the event). If you look up the psychology esearch on this topic you find that vast majority of people get many crucial parts of a staged event wrong in controlled trials. And the more emotional parts of the event (someone shouting, sound of a gunshot, blood) are incorrectly reported in most aspects of the event and the key aspects are often wildly off. Listen to the physicist Neil De Grasse Tyson talking about eye-witness testimony..."it's the LOWEST form of evidence there is". The Connelly's story is irelevant in the face of the hard evidence. It's not hard to understand why they said this, if you've ever been in a violent crash or fall, many people say time goes into slow motion and this distorts your comprehension of time. As far as the bullet that travelled through JFK then Connelly falling out of his leg you say it's crazy. Well a couple of things. First, there was a very shallow would in Connelly's leg about the length of the Carcano bullet. Fits the single bullet theory. Second, the 17 forensic pathologists in the various panels and investigations since the WR (including the 9 in the HSCA) all concluded that there was nothing unusual about this bullet at all. They all verified the conclusions of the Warren report. You didn't read my previous post and haven't spent any time googling this stuff. Elizabeth Loftus - eye-witness reporting.
Most people know. I wish we could bring the remaining culprits to the stand.
He misrepresents the actual time of the shooting could if been up to 8.4 seconds.
...with a rifle that didn't shoot straight, with a mis-matched and misaligned scope. The suggestion that it was the murder weapon is absurd, even if he had twenty minutes with it, and the target was stationary.
He left out Oswald tested positive on the hands and the parrufun tests are not necessarily conclusive of anybody shooting a gun.
That is incorrect. Tests on Oswald showed he had not fired a weapon. Curry reported that he understood the tests were positive using it as info that led to Oswald's guilt. When it turned out the tests were negative, he presented it that the negative tests didn't mean all that much.
@@Autshot20 Wrong the tests on his hands were positive most likely from the pistol.
@@Autshot20 Not true, as is par for the course with you.
It's "paraffin", and it tests for nitrates, which is expected to be on the hands when handling books and other printed materials, but the fact there was none on his cheek is doubly exculpatory, because washing nitrates from his face would have washed it from his hands, also.
It was a British pistol which was Notorious inaccurate but had the unique ability it could The Bard with two different types of shells manufactured in the US. Lot of facts he's leaving out and untruths
The negative results also proves Oswald didn't shoot a revolver at tippets murder
Good, now you can explain how the people framing him knew:
- he would immediately flee the TSBD
- he would successfully escape Dealey Plaza
- he would definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff
- he owned a revolver at all
- the revolver was at the rooming house
- he would obtain the revolver
- he would retain the revolver
- he would decide at the last minute to put on a jacket
- he would discard the jacket in the streets
- an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton
- a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene
- there is ANY logic in attacking a cop on a public street since Oswald is already being sought anyway and if anything goes wrong here they just end up confirming a conspiracy exists
- the cop won't simply outdraw and capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot
- no other cop will capture the imposter
- nobody will ever see the imposter again
- Oswald will not be able to prove he was elsewhere during the shooting
- they can safely count on ballistics experts to obey illegal orders to falsify evidence and make themselves accessories to murder
- Oswald will agree to help frame himself trying to hide from passing police
- Oswald will get caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later nearby
- Oswald will fight so violently 3 officers will be injured just disarming him
- Oswald will observe to police, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking the penalty for cop-killing
- every cop in Oak Cliff and at the theater will promptly obey illegal orders to perjure themselves
- the Dallas PD will be on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children...
He misleads his group on the autopsy written report.
The FBI report from the autopsy states the doctor said, "I can feel the end of the (back wound) with my finger". Of course, it will never be known exactly what the original notes said because he burned his notes. That's okay though, because he sign an avadavat acknowledging that he had. So if you admit to burning a piece of evidence, it's okay.
Absolutely sui generis critic of Warren Report nonsense. A sheer delight. All sorts of bold and surprising takes on many different angles of this massive subject. Oswald, IMHO, was little more than pure incoherence and confusion, leading investigators down foolish paths, then and now. We must get past this hopeless task of futilely trying to "understand" Oswald or make sense of his role in all this weirdness.
Opinions are not evidence.
Oswald was the only one who fled the TSBD site. He got his gun and shot a cop. Tried to shoot another cop in the theater.
Perhaps Oswald immediately realized he was a patsy. I have no idea, but it is doubtful he got off all of the rounds in that time. IMHO. It’s a fascinating case to say the least.
You are truly thick
False, he never fired a rifle that day, not the Mauser, not the Manlicher-Carcano. False, many other employees left the Depository after the shooting. We have only the word of the corrupt police regarding Oswald's attempt to use his (inoperable) pistol.
@diks13827
Oswald was not the only person that left the book depository after the shots were fired. According to reports he not only didn’t leave immediately he stopped at least long enough to drink a coke. Strange behavior for a man if he had just fired a rifle during a presidential motorcade seems to some.
@@tunafish2521 "Perhaps Oswald immediately realized he was a patsy. I have no idea, but it is doubtful he got off all of the rounds in that time."
"Perhaps" is not a reason to believe anything. Oswald got off two shots in about 8.3 seconds, after the first one, maybe longer. Why is it doubtful that he could do that?
The film was examined at one eighteenth of a second intervals the presidents head moved forward over 2 inches at frame 313 pro wing the head shot came from behind .Also the blood mist went forward and up.
I asked you on another thread - if that's correct, why was Jackie picking up skull fragments strewn across the back of the limo? The debris should have gone the other way shouldn't it?
@@kyletitterton Not neccesarily when a bullet hits a human head going 2000 ft a second its goes in all different directions sort of like smashing a pimokin with a sledge hammer.
That is absolutely correct.
I believe the very last 2 shots a second apart was. 1st a shot to his upper back. He briefly leaned forward in pain then a second at the most the awful last exploding bullet from right front side. No way any of 2 rifles found on 6 floor can shoot that fast an I'm surprised don't have technology to detail zapruder film to show direction from shots. Though to me no way the last awful shot he briefly leans forward an the very quickly he goes back hard to the left s frontal shot. To me last 2 shots rear 1st 2nd shot right front side. I've watched many videos an read countless research comments this is what I presume. Though no proof is definitive unfortunately
@@davidwilliams4498 Only one gun found lets start with that. The two shots were not a second apart. The Z film.shows us this. Shot 2 happened behind the sign from Z film 210 to 225. 3rd shot at 313. If we take 2nd shot happened at 225 thats 4.8 seconds between 2nd and 3rd shots. Most people claim first shot came at 160 so that's a total of over eight seconds Oswald had to make the 3 shots.
Milteer was not the informant , Somerset was.
Milteer was a total crackpot whose "predictions" hardly constitute "foreknowledge."
He seems to be a little chemically inconvenienced. As his speech progresses he starts fumbling for words and keeps losing his place. The giggle juice seems to hit full effect around the 32 minute mark! Hilarious!
idiot
mike jones
To whom are you referring?
@@ckom0007 you, stupid
mike jones
Okay Mr. Shit-For-Brains what makes you confident that Professor Gigglejuice knows what he’s talking about?
He is calling Garrison a kook he read a couple of goofy books got him off the track He is calling STONE film bullshit. Which he is right on both But his version is worst .
I’m not saying Oswald is guilty in fact I want to believe he didn’t do it however why would an innocent man go directly to get a revolver from his rooming house after an assassination
Oswald immediately fled the crime scene.
He was ID'd as a cop killer.
He was caught trying to shoot a second cop.
He lied to police.
He refused to cooperate with investigators.
He made no attempt to blow any conspiracy to any cop, any member of his family, to the President of the Dallas Bar Association, or to a live TV audience of millions.
Nobody framing this guy could possibly have known he would do these things, much less definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff.
@@aaronz7056If you look at the only colour photo of Oswald s mug shot on his right side there are three creases.i believe they show his tee shirt was soaked through sweating and was ironed by the butt of the rifle as he took aim .Dried on his escape they are in my opinion a permanent mark of the rifle butt.Have a look and see what you think.
I have been researching this for about 3 months daily, watched every video i could find I believe it was solely Oswald, but my question is about the first bullet if it did somehow hit that traffic light or pole which I think it did has anyone ever took a metal detector to the entire area and look for the bullet ? It is possible that bullet landed in grass and was buried. just a thought
@GregoryWild: Search for picture of Buddy Walthers. There is a picture of him and another person pulling what appears to be a bullet slug out of the grass on the south side of Elm. The missed shot helps rpove is was NOT a lone shooter (Oswald or anyone else). The bullet path thru JFK was never proven, it was assumed. One the night of the autopsy, Dr. Humes did n't even know there was a bullet would to throat. Also, the autopsy cover sheet shows the wound in the back was lower than what they thought was a trach incision.
How can you possibly believe Oswald did it.But to answer your question it being one of the greatest crimes in history they did not seal of the crime scene.A bullet was found the next day by a citizen.Watch Everything is a Rich Mans Trick How did he past the paraffin test ?
No way it was Oswald.
@@rickporvaznik5030 "No way it was Oswald."
Who was it then? Say the person's name, along with the proof that you are naming the correct person. I do hope you do not insult the intelligence of all the people who will ever read these comments in the coming days, weeks, months, and years by naming George H.W. Bush, James Files, William Greer, Charles Harrelson, George Hickey, Lucien Sarti, or Mac Wallace, none of whom have come even remotely close to have ever been proven to have shot JFK. Thanks.
Bullet was deflected by the tree branches and disintegrated on the road; witnesses saw a spray of dust behind JFK and to his right.
Maybe he grabbed random bits infobfrom many sources...very unorganized...
He grabbed them from crackpot conspiracy sites and the books of notorious grifters.
Great speaker..
Bullshit the man has a promblem with the facts I've caught at least 20 untruths
Very painful to try to listen to this chap. Can we get another presenter for the 60th Anniversary?
Yeah, maybe somebody who deals with the actual evidence?
I do have still many questions of how he got the gun to the book store, and if the package he brought to work in the morning was able to be broke down to fit in the package he said was curtain rods, I am still a little fishy on his friends account of the drive to work and that package
To me and IMO this is the whole key to the story as to how he got this rifle to work and when period
@Gregory: No one inside the TSBD saw him carry a package into the building that morning or saw him carrying a package in the building at any point during the morning.
He told Bugloshi I 1986 he really didnt pay much attention to that package.In my opinion Frazier though he seems like a honest man,had a bitter distaste of how he was treated on that day being arrested and being accused of being in on it with Oswald .To this day he talks about how bad he was treated .I just think after that experience he didnt want to give the govt nothing.He didn't want to be the man who drove the murder weapon to the crime scene.Just my opinion.
Oswald owned both guns.
He knew the rifle was stored in the Paine's garage.
He showed up unannounced, unexpected and in mid-week, all for the first time, at the house Nov 21.
Next morning he possessed a package he didn't have before and his rifle transports along the same route to the TSBD.
No curtain rods were ever found.
His palm print was on the rifle stock.
A man who could plausibly have been him was seen in the window.
No bullets or fragments were ever found that didn't match to his rifle.
No mystery persons were ever seen coming down those stairs from the 6th floor.
He was the only TSBD employee inside the building who immediately fled the place.
A steady chain of witnesses ID'd him killing Tippit, fleeing and trying to kill MacDonald minutes later.
DO you have any opinion on the grassy knoll? Yes I do based on what no medical evidence.The grassy knoll shooter must have missed only bullets from the carcano found.
Wrong Vargas the motorcycle cop said the shot came from the rear and he drove through the bloody mist.
Just another hack trying to cash in on the corpse of JKK.
@Just think "nope. many truths were revealed the first hours. Oswald didn't fire a shot that day."
Oh, who did fire the shots then? Say the person's full name, along with the proof that you are naming the correct person. And you won't be naming George H.W. Bush, William Greer, Charles Harrelson, George Hickey, James Files, Lucien Sarti, or Mac Wallace, since none of them have come anywhere close to having been proven to have fired even one shot in Dealey Plaza that day, correct?
@just slink - he has no facts
@justthink5854 That's right, that's why he fled the crime scene, refused to cooperate with investigators, lied to police, acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty, and just shrugged a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?" And of course, the nearly dozen Oak Cliff witnesses who ID'd him were all lying as part of the conspiracy. lol
So the marines hand out marksman medals like Candy shooting at targets up to 300 yrds Oswald fires a 212 he was damn good with a rifle
I had to stop watching when he said 5.9 seconds.
there is a closet in the Dallas Police Department that has been locked since 1963 and never opened
the bullet was a 22-250 -hollowed out and fulled with liquid mercury - shot at at 4000 fps
Proof? Links?
@@justinturner8219
Its bullshit.
Professor Wrong.
privileged info
Some people knew it was going to hapoen..and when.....that the fact man
@rmald h. - " SOME PEOPLE knew .... and THATS a fact. " = = no facts or evidence
Not true.
Oswald and only Oswald committed this act.bad detective work confusion ,theories, opinions,etc.the fact remains.one man Oswald.
No way Oswald was alone in this.
@ rick p. - ya lack facts & evidence
Not true Robert Kennedy always sided with the WC.He never said Oswald did not kill his brother.
Not publicly. Of course he wouldn’t.
@@pauldavies5611 Ofcourse he had his doubts in the beginning.
At 45:10 you confirm what was forensically proven by a detective has done this and retired and is never wrong..and no cop would do this from america. So an Aussie did it He conclusive ly proved slam dunk the angles and calibers and film frames. Conclusion ...secret service turned fast to return fire with a cocked loaded colt M16. The driver hit the gas and he fell backward only picture shows him the split second after the car of agents all split second realized he accidentally shot the president. He was a driver detail not a sniper detail it was a new gun. He was the only agent not drinking till 5 am.. George Hickey the agent who accidentally fired the shot that started all the jfk controversy. If we hadn't learned in 1998 that the only unidentified print in the room belonged to Mac Wallace a convicted murderer that leads to LBJs door. LBJ is implicated with this man in 8 murders. Oops. Lee may well not have shot the Prez. Unless all those workers know just what to say to get paid. But the facts are in secret service discontinued use of that rifle that day for some strange reason and yes it is a high speed 222 hollow tip...only its 223. Still the same drill hole . As Jack's head lays on his wife's shoulder the only angle possible was the little drill hole straight back to the secret service car. This explains a hundred theories and explains an even bigger cover up of allied enemies of this administration. Hoover flew out at 3 am we know that...Kennedy flew in at 11am we know that.... the infamous Murchison meeting with all the sons of Texas and their minions. Preston Bush was where ?
So why did Oswald shoot Tippit just because they didn't know know his direct route they knew he was there.Now hes making assumptions the same thing he is accusing the WC of doing. The mans watch says 110 how do you know the mans watch wasn't 5 minutes off. Just to be fair this man knows kess than me.
This is the absolute worse pro conspiracy lecturer I e ever heard he has absolutely every single thing wrong .
Senile mumbling confusion.
@just klink - the LOON has no tangible evidence
This is a terrible presentation.
@john d. - agree, this guy makes an analogy using a mud puddle
@@jb-vb8un Have you checked out David Von Pein's website?
Oswald was up there, they saw him shooting. His rifle was there.
OPk, go play with your toys.
Ridiculous statement with all we know today.
Wrone is a credible scholar of the assassination who raises some good questions, but the man is stuck in time. Very few murder investigations involve pieces that fit perfectly. You take the evidence and use it to create a reconstruction of probable events. That happens in nearly every murder investigation, but Wrone pretends that this is somehow unusual. It’s not. The other problem with Wrone is that he uses discredited evidence, such the belief that the assassin had less than six seconds instead of the minimum of 8.3 seconds. It was actually a fairly easy shot from the TSBD, especially for someone with Oswald’s marksmanship skills. You don’t even need a scope because the path of the limousine was headed down an incline in a straight line. The grassy knoll would have been a harder shot because the limousine would have been moving side to side. And a grassy knoll shooter would have been exposed to the hundreds of spectators who were looking in that direction. Experienced shooters know that and other facts such as the fact that guns don’t emit visible smoke since the invention of smokeless powder in the 1800’s. Zapruder and others thought the President was shot from the front not because they heard a gun shot or saw a shooter, but because they confused an exit wound with an entrance wound. Like Wrone, they watched too many westerns and had no real world knowledge of what happens to someone who is shot in the head. Wrone really loses credibility because he is appallingly ignorant of forensics. In the end, people like Wrone fell into a trap with their earlier opinions which have been discredited by advancements in forensic science and computer assisted reconstruction. Rather than lose face, and admit they got it wrong, they cling to their earlier, albeit discredited, opinions until death. Perhaps it’s because he’s a lefty who could never deal with the fact that Oswald was a Marxist. That was Mark
Lane’s motivation. Watch Wrone try to claim that Oswald wasn’t a dedicated Marxist. It is on this point that Wrone has no credibility and reveals his true motivation.
Oswald's best score for shooting was 112.
That is an average shot.
There were two Oswalds in the marines at the time. Oswalds height while in the marines was put down as 5' 11. He lost 2 inches once arrested. 5' 9.
Wherever we look, there are glaring inconsistencies.
The main reason for me.on the Oswald didn't do it fence.
Expert shooters couldn't replicate those three shots accurately at an elevation of 30ft.
The sixth floor was at 54ft.
According to trained snipers, it is way more difficult to shoot accurately at elevation aiming down. The higher it is, the more difficult. The shots from the 6th floor were difficult, but not impossible.
Saying the shots were easy goes against the views of experts.
@@markrymanowski719"Two Oswald's," ladies and gentlemen... lol
Those shots would have been child's play.
@@aaronz7056
The other Oswald's real name was Norton. Still alive today.
When it comes to spies, lookalikes are a common tactic.
You should know this, but i guess some people live under a rock.
The rifle found first was a Mauser then next day it turn into a 6.5 Manlichter Carcano. Two shells were found at the supposedly sniper's and one bent shell on the left behind the boxes with bag of chicken bones a empty pop bottle. I believe that fire maybe came the the roof of the TSBD and the Daltex building and grassy knoll. First shot was complete miss hit the curb and caused Tague's wound.
That fantasy came from demonstrable serial liar Roger Craig. News film shows the rifle brought down was a Mannlicher-Carcano.
Beliefs are not evidence.
He is stating things as if you knew the exact minute Oswald did something Such as nobody knows the exact minute he left the rooming house What if it was 4 minutes till 1 Oswald could have been at the corner of tenth and Patton.by 107 Gary Mack walked one route in 11.5 minutes .You know he was there 10 people sen him escaping the scene.He is throwing out common sense He was there regardless of when he actually left.
They have not found one person that saw Oswald walking the route they assumed he walked to get to 10th & Patton. Yet there were multiple people outside who say they witnessed the shooting. And not all of the witnesses gave a description that matched Oswald.
@@Autshot20 In that case you will of course explain to us all who really shot Tippit, much less why, yes?
You speculate Oswald caught the bus to the Texas theater. How about Calloway Markam The Davis sisters all I'd him in the lineup. I think this guy has dementia.
The line up was bogus. No else in the line up looked anything like him. 2 were mexican
@@theend9258 Whatever, Oswald did it, he lied to police, refused to cooperate, shrugged a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?" and acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty.
One lie after the other, he made up his bullshit and ignored the actual evidence. Yawn, I hope they didn't pay this man.
Folks, this is a great example of why we should never regard professors as necessarily intelligent or clear thinking individuals. If you do your own studies in earnest, you will easy seethe distortions and mischaracterization in this presentation. Disgraceful.
We found the CIA shill
@ touch of zero - yawn
@@656hookemhorns No he just sees value in alerting the unwary when they are being misled by crackpots so beside themselves with paranoia they assume anybody not on board for this conspiracy idiocy must be a "CIA shill..."
In 1987 I was privately shown a copy of the ORIGINAL UNALTERED Zapruder film, which very clearly shows the DRIVER of JFK's limousine turn around with a gun in his left hand and kill JFK by shooting him in his head!! I could also see Mrs Kennedy's mouth drop open in horror upon seeing this happen, and she climbed out over the back of the car to get away from the TRUE assassin!! The Connallys saw this happen as well, but lied about what they had seen happen in the car, because they didn't want to be killed as well!!
Yes, Agent Greer, knowing he was surrounded by witnesses and at least two people pointing cameras straight at him, turned around in his seat into the faces of a carful of passengers inches from him, pulled out his gun, then framed Lee Harvey Oswald by shooting Kennedy in the face.... lol
It wasn't the driver who fired the fatal shot. If so Mrs. Kennedy would have also been shot.
Wow! There are so many problems with this presentation I’m amazed anyone takes the time to listen to this guy. Every point he makes is distorted, confused, meandering and taken out of context. Watch at your own risk...
It was the CIA
How can he get everything wrong ?
@just pink - mud puddles & chappaquiddick ' crypto '
@justthink5854 No he just sees value in alerting the unwary when they are being misled by demonstrably lying crackpot idiots.
Like most academic people this old geyser is boring as hell to listen too!
listen to! not too. betting that you didn't go TOO far with your education. By geyser i assume you mean old faithful. if you had used geezer that might have landed a little better. at least you spelled your name correctly. other than that...
He called Berlesque girls ber la q girls. SMDH. That was funny
Terrible presentation here. Lots of conjecture and no evidence whatsoever.
Crackpots aren't interested in evidence.