Chevrolet Truck - Battery Dies Overnight - Part I
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- Well we have seen this more than once but we still need to test it right?. Let's have a look at this 2003 Chevrolet 1500 that has an ignition off draw (parasitic draw) Place your bets: Radio, Cluster, Alternator, PCM, or just a bad battery!?!?
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Who needs TV when you have SMA? This stuff is entertaining, informative Sure beats "primetime TV"
+AbandonedSC Thanks Man
Discovery Channel needs to have a show at SMA.
It's like Mr. Rogers for older people. :)
Have been binge watching. Needs more Brake Cleaner!!!
This is the first video of yours that I have seen. My 2003 yukon has the same key off draw. I have to compliment you on your teaching style and clarity.
I learned so much watching you. Well done.
What was it that you found? I also have a 2003 except it's a tahoe. Also at 201,000 miles on it and it's got a parasitic draw that's killing me. I've already done a new red top, alternator, checked fuses and relays and I've got my hands in the air. I've been a long time chevy builder and mechanic but I am now in the beginning of the 4th stage of c.t.e and my cerebellum is at 5.0 pushing through the back of my skull into my spinal canal and I'll be damned if it isn't screwing with me. Thanks for any help or advice on your end.
@@DirtyMuthaFugginD I've had two different problems. Solved them both. The first was the BCM (body control module) went bad and was saying the hatch was open. Since it thought it was open and it wasn't, it turned on all the interior lights and would drain the battery. I'm not going to try to replace that module so I simply pressed the button by the light switch that prevents the interior lights from coming on when you open the door. Problem solved. Then the other day the door dinger started going off as if you left the key in the ignition and opened the door even though I did take the key out. I read another guys comment that he had read several articles about it and that two different sources said to pull the "radio" fuse under the hood and put it back and pull it out a few times because of possible corrosion and their door chime stopped. I tried it and mine stopped too. Thank God for the comments section.
@@born_again_torinos thank you! I'm going to check all of these options. As soon as I figure it out I'll come back and share my adventure 😜 I appreciate you!
Your videos make an ASE course in anything much easier. Thank you Mr. O!
Eric, your time and effort is much appreciated!
Having a Chevy with this very problem for the last 5 years I now know what to look for. Thanks Eric!
My 98 chevy trk has 2 fuses, one for radio memory and one for the radio.
At first I thought this was way to long for an ICP fuse problem. But watched the whole thing and it was actually a very informative video. Thanks for the chart configuration info.
I echo what others have posted... you're FAR BETTER THAN ANYTHING ON TV!!! Keep up the great videos!!!
Eric, your videos always make my day. I look forward to episodes here as much as TV. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with us.
+Justa Hondafan Amen Brother..... exactly.
+jewllake exactly
+Justa Hondafan I like watching these videos much more than any T.V. show.
Ditto...
Another nice job, Eric!
Getting up early and editing vids is a gift to all of us.
You are thorough, systematic, and have a magnificent knowledge base of information. It's funny, because I've been working on cars for about 5 years now and I'm at the point where I can tackle most problems. All on youtube. It went from Chris fix, to ratchets and wrenches, to eric the car guy, and now to you. Because when I first started watching your videos, a lot of them were hard for me to understand,. It's almost like it was the intro class, then the intermediate one, then the more advanced one, then the final one which is your videos. Who needs school when you have youtube!
Your suggestion of reading the millivolt drop across the fuse and converting it using Powerprobe's charts is fantastic. It's not only quick and easy, but also keeps from accidentally activating some system. THANK YOU Eric.
The ever elusive intermittent fault, I spent several years overhauling electronic equipment at an Army depot and always hated these. Eyeballing the same issue on my 2004 Silverado, the cluster was repaired just before I got it but it began acting up again after about a year. Great video, it gave me some good insight on how to approach the problem.
I got an 04 2500 something similar going on.. 2nd battery not charging, but also thinking it could be the BCM. I hate all the electronics
Dude you pegged it ! Been having the same issue with my 2001 Chevrolet Suburban 1500. I did what you did and came up with the same issue with the cluster. Thank you for sharing the info for United Radio. I contacted them and the conversation I had with everybody on the phone with United Radio what's like I was talking to Old Buddies! Very pleasant people! They did say they wanted to contact you to thank you for spreading the word as I told them it was your video that help me with Diagnostics and referring everybody to them for repairs ! Thanks again
Outstanding video! I was able to follow your logical leadings, and though my problem was the radio fuse and not the cluster, I simply bought a clamp meter for autos from amazon and this morning found the battery drain parasitic draw. Thanks a million for posting this.
I’m having a hard time learning from this channel but I’m still gonna give you a thumbs up cause I’m sure u r full of knowledge
Found your channel while trying to solve a problem with my 2015 Chevy Pickup. You do a great job with these videos. My issue is that this truck, freshly out from under warranty of course, decided to keep the buttons and knobs and the LCD screen back-lights, and the On-star light powered up - and there was no way to get them to turn off. Of course it ran the battery flat over night. I charged the battery and began using your methods to diagnose the battery drain - except that I don't have access to a clamp-on and so I hooked a meter in series with the negative battery cable - it appeared that I had a 150 milliamp parasitic battery drain - at least I thought that I did. So I checked across every fuse in the engine compartment and both fuse blocks in the cab and found a 1.2 millivolt drop across the fuse for "Body Control Module 1". So, the reference you provided a link to showed that the equates to 163 milliamps. I was pretty excited that I found it but I had not noticed that the dome light were on and when they timed out the 1.2 millivolt drop disappeared.
Somewhere during all of this I apparently had the battery disconnected and/or the flat battery which caused the issue with the back lighting staying on issue to disappear. What followed on the initial restart of the Truck blew my mind but you will know all about this - the Truck told me to lower and raise the Driver's Side Window! I suppose to reset Body Control Module(s) - the manual says there are seven or eight of them and each one has its own fuse but I suspect there are all housed in the one unit located under the steering column area.
Then I discovered that the Tire Pressure Sensors were not being read and the manual said I had to initiate the "relearn" mode and then use the "Tool" by placing it next to each of the tires and sequential order! By this time I'm talking to myself and wondered aloud - "what tool and where is it".. LOL ... but once again you were right there with a way to relearn this thing without a the "Tool" or a trip into the tire store or the dealer. I suspect the original problem will return - things like this usually do. I going to have the battery tested - outside chance that it's getting weak and may the infamous "Integrated Body Control Module" doesn't like it. Once again.... thanks!
Just to say thank you for highlighting the voltage drop across fuses. Helped to quickly diagnose the draw on my 2003 Chevy Suburban. For all those useful with a soldering iron its very easy to resolder every joint in the instrument cluster. I went from a range of faults including a ghost main beam light that would illuminate despite the car locked and definitely asleep to no faults. Easy to remove the cluster and pop the covers off the cluster.
I'm a retired mechanic with many years experience and this man is good - the best!
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I am an aspiring mechanic and have established that electrical issues are pure witchcraft. My doors are dead, speakers are dead, battery dies, instrument cluster is dead. I'm dead.
Cap
Update: fuck silver migration haha. Now I've got an Escalade cluster in mine, so at least I got a tranny temp out of it.
@@DnRprodxIL he has a video on that
Eric U Rock :) These videos and United Radio saved my dying 2003 Tahoe...runs like a charm now...THANK YOU
Love your methods and your persistence!Awesome stuff,keep up the good work!
My Dad’s cluster stopped working several years ago and it was rebuilt. It has had this fantom draw issue now for over a year. Thanks for giving me a starting point.
I googled these same symptoms for my 01 Suburban and this video was suggested. I'm going to go check out my cluster fuse tomorrow morning. Thanks for your videos.
I appreciate all the time you put into making these videos.
i appreciate your virtue signalling
Silver migration! That phenomenon wasn’t an issue when I was repairing electronics products. Then again, lead free solder was just becoming common and not out there long enough to create corrosion type issues. Very interesting!
You are one sharp guy Eric. Your customers are fortunate to have you.
I see a spot on the Discovery channel for you! I just found your vids while researching some issues for my car. Love em! And the bolts may not be rusty in the south but the heat and humidity will drive you crazy.
Robert Ellison Come to Michigan ,we add salt to the mix.
Another great video walks you through from start to finish diagnostics skills bar none the best I've ever seen. His style of video is and his banter is great. Can't believe only 69 thousand subscriber,
Always enjoy your straight forward diagnostics. Your name is always on top of the list when I tell other techs who to watch to try to better themselves. I had missed this one. Great work Eric.
I am amazed at the sensitivity of test gear these days. To measure the voltage drop across a fuse is truly remarkable. The one you measured, with 202ma and a drop of 1.5mV crunches to a resistance of .0074 ohms. There was a time you could only measure that with a laboratory meter. Waiting on part two.
That is the best diagnosis I have seen yet. I need to get one of those Snap On Vantage Pros!
In my experience around 90% of the time it's the cluster is bad! if it isn't that current draw,it's at least one of the stepper motors going bad on them!
Well Eric I'm going to check my Silverado at the same fuze today just to double check. Fantastic tip Thanks.....
been watching this fellow for couple of weeks. what you can do with diagnostic equipment. like his calming, educational manner of speaking. wish he was located around here. good mech's scarce as hen teeth. really enjoy your channel!
Your vid's are like an adventure. Fun to watch and learn for us backyard mech's. And like most people below me in comments I find it more interesting than T.V. I notice your sub number jumped from 39k to 41k real quick. Your doing something right ;)
Thanks man, yeah it goes through little sperts like that now and then
Tried this on a 04 Suburban. Pulled the Instrument panel fuse and in 2 Days dead Battery. Thanks and I enjoy your Videos.
Thanks for the tip Eric just made my work a lot easier
have the vantage ultra with the inductive clamp. im an internal amp measuring guy for draws and my fluke 88 is always accurate. just be careful 10a will pop the fuse.
This video is still very informative!!
I will try this very soon.
Thanks!
Nice video Eric. Great tip on the Voltage drop charts! :)
come on man!!!!!!!! I can't handle the suspense. You're such a tease.
Great Video Eric. I see you fixed that powerstroke. Nice job
Clever. Measuring the voltage drop across a conductor (shunt) is how digital ammeters work
Thank you. I will check this on my chevy. This is a very frustrating thing to deal with.
I see a lot of familiar comments from loyal viewers who are enjoying your channel as much as I am. I really liked the amp draw across the fuse tip and look forward to the next part of this frustrating challenge.
Hi Wyatt , I'm heading out now to check mine and I have a feeling you are too. LOL
I don't get home from work until late Saturday but you can bet first thing Sunday I'll be checking that circuit! I don't have a parasitic draw issue (that I know of) but now I'm curious.
I'm going there right now, thanks.
These clusters are pretty easy to fix. There are a few surface mount resistors that come unsoldered. Taking the cluster apart re soldering the bad ones and putting it back together takes 30-60 minutes. The bad resistors will brown the board a bit so they're easy to spot, but re solder them all.
Eric, thank you for the great show. I see that you was raised to be a tech like me. I'm subbed for good, shadetree out.
He is a genius love these videos
You nailed it for me . Thanks
Thank you for the help
Nice job, Eric! The "voltage drop across the fuse" method is sweet. Very accurate according to the chart, plus it's faster than pulling fuses!
And that truck looks to be in nice shape for 200k miles...a real cream puff haha
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And its in NY!! Very clean pick up.
Keep up the good work brother.
Great video. My 03 had a similar problem. When ignition off the parking brake light was still faintly on all all the time and the gear position indicators don’t work. Pulled the fuse and light went off. Will be sending in for repair.
Dude! You are good! We definitely owe you a few beers and should you make it to Idaho we are good for them! I hope you are employed as an instructor as you are excellent and I was an instructor for thirty years and know what I'm talking about! Best of luck!!!
Good job man. Well done.
I saw this one already but I forgot the outcome so I am re-watching it.
wow, over 200,000 miles and it still looks good
It's Awesome that you take the time to share your experiences with us. I have a quick story(I only heard about I don't know if it's true) that I'll share that may help others... Customer's car would go dead overnight every night, but only in the fall/winter months of course all of the usual things were done to no avail, finally after going to customers house to observe any abnormalities, they (allegedly) discovered that the customer would put a cover on his windshield,and he held it in place with some small bungee cords, he hooked the cords to the door handles which turned the illuminated entry lights on. I don't know if it's true, but it is a good story.
lol the bell dinger drivin my puppy crazy
enjoyable vid, thanks ...
Thanks for putting the mini fuse conversion chart up. Saved me the trouble. Can a blown fuse draw electricity? Had a blown 20amp mini drawing 1mV. Replaced it and went to zero. My battery was dying after a day or two. Gotta let it sit and see if this was the problem.
good diagnostics
DC Amps. can be measured by pulling the fuse,then set your meter to amps(you have to move the leads on the meter also).don't keep in on for very long or you can overheat your meter etc. Those capacitors on the amp. meter dry out causing problems. second the new vehicles have to many modules(cars are on live support).
Well done!
You are one of the most thorough mechanics I have ever had the opportunity to watch work. I am very impressed with your knowledge and thoroughness. I use your videos to try to narrow down what could be happening to my "CHEVY" the infamous "CHEVY", you save alot of time and money. Thank You for your videos.
One question, where do you get your wiring diagrams from?
Thank You
Sean D from Sitka, Alaska
How much does one of these "clusters" usually run??
Can I just remove the fuse when I shut it off until I can get the "cluster" replaced??
Love your vids. What is the name and model of the hand held fluorescent light you are using? I'd like to get one.
Thank you for your video but do you replace it or only clean the connector ?
Best video for me.. easy to learn
Yep I always voltage drop across the fuses when looking for draws. Hasn't failed me yet also I usually open the doors and close the latches so if I have to get inside I don't wake it up.
I have a 1998 1 ton chevy and the battery would go dead in 2 wks and then finely 2-3 days, found out with amp meter at fuse box that the problem was the memory of the radio causing a 2 amp draw. Replaced radio and no more problem. There is 2 fuses for this radio. I will watch to see what you fined.
I get loads of those too. Car in for a battery drain issue, already has a shiny new Alternator...........
Very interesting eric
Would still like you to do a video showing and explaining what diagnostic gear you use for specific issues.
That's the exact problem I have with my 03 Silverado. My instrument panel started not coming on also. I've been playing with that and it seems to have been a bad connection on the instrument panel plug. Great video ! Thanks for posting the help for everybody. :)
I hope my draw is as easy to find. I just bought a salvage 1990 Olds 98 Regency with 100K and it is a creampuff except the harmonic balancer, ign module, coil pack and a nice battery drain in 1-2 days. Got everything fixed except now have to find draw.
Great vid. a lot of go info.
I don't need TV either. I have a Silverado that is running great. This was interesting to see in the event I have the same problem.
I did have to replace the instrument cluster on my 2004 Impala in 2006 for this same reason (under warranty).
Just did this and found out my drl fuse,day time running lamp fuse has a draw of 121 milliamps.
Hope that's my problem.
My 2004 2500 HD has a retained accessory power problem that I need to fix. Took me a couple of times before I realized what it was. I opened the door one day and the radio was still on.
There are several switches depending on which model and accessories the truck has. Just need to figure out which one to order.
I've had poor luck doing parasitic draws with my inductive clamp. I prefer to use the internal amp meter on my vantage. Massive risk of blowing the fuse though! The vantage has a regular 10amp mini fuse though so it's cheap. My Fluke ones are £10 each! Nice video.
Toyota Tech Ain't that the truth.
I have a 04 suburban and had a battery drain that would kill the battery overnight. I narrowed the problem to the gauge cluster. Replaced the entire gauge cluster and problem fixed!!
I’ve been chasing this same problem for 2 years, thanks. Went out preformed your test sequence and what do you think I found, stupid cluster.
Man that Instrument Cluster was easy to Remove but you seem to make many fixes easy...
your going to jinx me now. my truck is an '03 Silverado. mine has almost 300 000kms on it now. I presently don't have this issue, but part of my cluster doesn't work anyway. its original as far as I know, haven't pulled it to check. but I am going to check that voltage drop. I do have a problem with the key switch, sometimes it stays on after the key is out, I can pull it out while its running. lights in the dash will stay on, or the radio stays on.
Thank you
Ivs got one that when ignition is off im getting random 7-10v through the control circuit for the ac compressor clutch.
Would the ITC/ DIC be the same on a 2011 Silverado? I have the same symptoms, but have not checked fuses yet. thanks!
I've watched alot of your videos on electrical issues I was wondering if you ever came across the trailblazer with a draw what the bad thing is the problem doesn't show up right away it generally takes 3-5 days before it kills the battery I've disconnect the fan the 2 black relays / module's in the under hood fuse block I'm at a total lose I'd be grateful for any advice that would possibly send me in the right direction thank you
Got a 1996 Buick Park Ave that is doing this Gonna be great fun finding the problem lol
wow !! a 1.5 mvdc drains abattery after a coupe days ? good to know ! Thx for the great vids Eric. Love the way you tested a draw with the voltmeter.Great info.Thx.Cheers from Canada !
1.5 mvdc is the voltage drop showing across the FUSE due to the 200 milliamp draw. No ?
yes..according to the chart he had..1.5 milliVoltDC equals about 200 milliamp( draw in this case)on a 10 amp fuse(size of filament)
I had parasitic draw on my 03 S-10, ZR/2. Turned out to be the Bose 6 disk changer. replaced the whole unit with Panasonic and now I have Bluetooth for my phone too. Was surprised to see that car stereos haven't gone up much for basic units.
What scan tools do you you prefer and what is the best brand for tools and what are the best electric impacts?
Eric, My Honda Element was drawing 200MA from the battery until I cleaned the battery and then reconnected it and then it was only drawing 10MA I was wondering if you have seen that before. I did a couple of more tests and still only drawing 10MA.
I'm curious about taking an amp draw reading in that circuit. Would this work? So, you take a BLOWN fuse and insert it into that 10amp position. Then take your multimeter and get your amp draw across the fuse. This should give you the amp draw or am I missing something here?
GM should recall the instrument panels in their vehicles, my 2004 Chevy Tahoe required a new instrument panel at a cost of $600. Our 2003 Chevy Silverado 2500HD panel is shot as well.
great vid
22 mag. Perfect replacement for a blown glass fuse!
seen that before, 22LR usedd as a fuse on a shorted 20 amp circuit, (1970s mazda,farm truck), give you 1 guess what happened when the lights got turned on
Very cool site that shows you current draw for the millivolts across the fuse. Would not have thought about that! 29:20 Magic wand, LOL. Maybe if you wave it around Harry Potter style, it'll find the current draw? Interesting that the trucks have cluster problems. We had a 2001 Buick Regal that had a bad cluster (no dash lights) at 30K miles. When it came back from the dealer the dash lights still did not work. Sent it back and the headlight switch had gone bad, or so they said! 😁
For the number of these clusters I've seen go bad, I still can't believe that my folks' '02 Yukon, with 165,000+ miles, hasn't had any issues.
Hopefully this one is a nice, easy, straight-up fix!
if you put your clamp on the battery cable and remove the cluster do you still have current draw?
Only in America where a .22 magnum bullet is part of pocket change.
ToughAncientSpark I have had one of those since I was a kid, plain long rifles don't kill woodchucks over 75yrds very effectively.
Deja Vu, I have one in my change pocket as well.