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Zoos are really trying to help. but they are instead making it harder for some of these animals. I personally think having wild animals in captivity is horrid unless we are helping them breed or heal after such work is done they must be returned to the wild. You don't nurture a bird to health and put in a cage, it flys off.
xDTCTheLegend this is why we should have more reserves and less zoos it's a safe breeding ground for them
Didn't you hear what she said? When she released five pandas, only three of them survived, its not safe for them to be in the wild, unless you want that species to go extinct
wrong zoos have saved countless animals from exrtinction like the europien bison golden lion tamerin you cant just theow random animals into the wild and expect them to sruvive.
Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos as seen in this video, but sure, you probably know more than the people who spent their lives with wild animals
Your right. Zoos make it harder for animals
We probably don't need to spend so much money on giant pandas anymore as according to the IUCN they've been taken off the endangered species list and are now officially classed as 'Vulnerable'. But there are still many other species that need our help. Particularly birds and reptiles, which don't seem to garner as much attention as mammals.
because of zoos
Actually 'vulnerable' is still one of the three endangered categories. Only 'least concern' and 'near threatened' are not-endangered categories
i hope zoos now focus more on species which really havent got much coverage like frogs etc... obviously because tigers are more exciting to look at but those species also need urgent protection...they could educate the public more about them and continue their great conservation efforts
Zoos started of as entertainment and profitable places, but now it has become a educational sanctuary.
Zoos also try their best to help animals by reproducing and releasing animals once their habitat is protected now
"A child can tell u more about a dinosaur than an elephant, you don't need to put animals in prisons to learn about them"
I want to see them without going to Africa and getting HIV
@@Top-Kek The amount of ignorance in that comment is astonishing. In zoo's you don't see animals in their natural habitat, they're barely like that in the wild. Would you not want to see the magnificence of these animals in their purest form?
@@Top-Kek The amount of ignorance in that comment is astonishing. In zoo's you don't see animals in their natural habitat, they're barely like that in the wild. Would you not want to see the magnificence of these animals in their purest form?
@@Top-Kek The amount of ignorance in that comment is astonishing. In zoo's you don't see animals in their natural habitat, they're barely like that in the wild. Would you not want to see the magnificence of these animals in their purest form?
@@user-dt8xn9uy5w barly like the wild? have you been to animal kingdom
Zoos have improved massively over the last few decades, especially in the developed world, and they will continue to improve.
Zoos can also play a huge role in protecting species, animals like elephants, rhinos, tigers, pandas, etc are facing serious trouble in the wild whether by poaching or environmental issues. Zoos offer a safe haven and a significant breeding population (zoos across the world), As such I would say that zoos are vital if you want these species to continuing to exist. Unless you would rather rely on the countries with wild populations to deal with protecting them, which after recent news from South Africa.........I wouldnt bet on it.
I completely see your point, so (building on that) don't you think that it would be better to have safari parks which are dedicated to building up the populations of endangered species (and then releasing them into the wild), rather than keeping animals in glorified cages in a zoo? Many species in zoos don't have a problem as far as being endangered, so presumably you'd agree that they shouldn't be kept in captivity?
I do think safari parks are great. Zoos also have an important educational value to consider as well, so no I wouldnt support ending zoos. However I do believe ALL zoos should keep their animals in the best accommodation possible, with requirements set by experts in which ever species, I assume zoos already do something along these lines.
As for non endangered species......imo there are numerous factors to consider; habitat requirements, suitible for captivty, financial costs, research benefits, etc. If a species is suitable then yes zoos should be able to keep them.
If for example a species doesnt adapt to a zoo environment for whatever reason (like the polar bears in the vid) and unless these issues can be rectified, then in my opinion that species shouldnt be allowed for zoos.
I guess that all species should be evaluated to see whether they are suitable for captivty. At the end of the day, as long as the animals are healthy and happy, then im happy.
EDIT:
Going back to safari parks, its become apparent that safari parks in Africa have major issues regarding poaching. A soloution to this which I think is brilliant, is creating new safari parks in other suitable countries. A recent example of this is with rhinos which are in a dire situation in Africa, the solution, take a healthy breading population to a suitable habitat in Australia. Over time, if all successful, a species resurgence can occur. Thats the hope at least.
+BRG 0001 please educate yourself with up to date data about the true function of zoos and their very small impact on conservation. They are meant to profit from visitors, pure and simple, if those amount of funds would have been given to wildlife protection organizations across the world, the true conservation, protection and on-hand education programs that would have been possible would be instrumental. Sterotipucal behaviour is a very serious and very real condition, significantly shorter lfife spans due to captivity is a real thing, not to mention the sheer fact of having animals put on display for us like paintings in a gallery is very disturbing. We must remember these are LIVING breathing creatures, with emotional and cognative needs and abilities. So I say again in the kindest way, please read real research about this matter, don't just buy into the marketing efforts of zoos to remain open.
Maybe you missed it in the video....the "captive breeding experiment" has failed. Captive bred animals don't integrate into to wild successfully. Keeping these animals in zoos and breeding them indefinitely just makes more animals in cages, they will never be released. So don't kid yourself, they breed in captivity not for the wild populations, but for the extra money it brings in. And then they get euthanized, because there aren't enough facilities for them. The animal surplus lists that zoos dump their unwanted animals on are a mile long. Zoos have nothing to do with wild animals, they are nothing but a living museum. If you have seen a lion in a zoo and a lion in the wild, you will realize how different these things are.
Pandas are not longer endangered because of zoos
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Extremes aren't necessary, just set increasingly strict requirements for enclosures and care, and send animals from crappy zoos to better ones or sanctuaries where they can still be part of the gene pool just in a bigger cage.
@Evelyn I don't believe entertainment should even be part of the argument for keeping zoos, the only real reason for them at this point is maintaining genetic diversity.
@timothyomara6303 I know, I'm suggesting a gradual phaseout where the worst facilities are closed first and the best zoos and sanctuaries stay open as long as needed for education and conservation.
There is a conflict between compassion and profit. I doubt zoos are in business to lose money so unless the animals on display draw customers, zoos don't get that revenue. So, what might be best for the animals - large enclosures in rural locations, without being put on display, and being given some peace and solitude - is not in the interests of selling tickets. As long as that is the case, I don't see that zoos are going to be able to give the animals a better life. Some of them may wish to, but it's a question of what is feasible given their business models.
Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoo, aa seen in this video, but sure you probably know better than someone that dedicated all there lives to study animals
y dont u liv in zoo@@venividivici6738
Absolutely
I am beyond digusted that this is even a question.
The vast majority of people who are against, or "icky" with zoos, eat meat, dairy and eggs, and own pets. They don't think twice about that. Yet it's ZOOS that need "revision"?
Zoos are correcting themselves, all the time. Zoos are the one and ONLY form of animal keeping that is *for the animals*. Food industry, clothing industry, pets - that's all selfish. Zoos were originally just for amusement, to show off strange creatures from a vast and unknown world.
Today, they are for education, touching people's minds about animals they are never going to meet otherwise (and no, reading about it in a book or seeing a film is NOTHING like getting up close and personal with a real, living, breathing animal), and *saving them from extinction*, in a world that is more and more dangerous for animals, everywhere. And that is OUR fault. So it's on US to fix it.
To close zoos, would be an absolute disaster for animals. One, it would disconnect people from animals even further. Two, it would cease any research that we can do on animals in zoological settings, to help their wild relatives. And three, it would cease all and any breeding of endangered species - MANY OF WHOM ARE ONLY ALIVE TODAY BECAUSE OF CAPTIVE BREEDING PROGRAMS.
Ah I see because its educational for us so zoos are ok. Animals have to suffer life imprisonment, psychosis from being in captivity, ripped from their families and their natural habitat, suffer earlier mortality rates, but because its for OUR education that is ok. MY ASS. I hope an alien species one day captures you and puts you in their human gallery, because its all for THEIR education you should be happy to comply lol
@@orlybabe XD
Frida, you're a Karen, Flat Earther, Vegan, you dont believe in the moon landing and i can tell you've been wooooshed at least 30 times in the last hour. not much else to say apart from that you're an ass
@@hyperlordyoutube insults instead of arguments popular nowadays
these people in the replies are describing zoos from the victorian zoos have improved a lot
No zoos are the best chance endangered animals have of surviving
lol ya but humans are the only reason they are endangered
Have you guys never heard of sanctuaries and reserves? You don't need to use animals as a form of entertainment to preserve them! Zoo's cause unnecessary distress to the animals, please don't support this.
Alternatively go to a safari or research about the place you're going to
Reserves, Sanctuaries, breeding areas. grow up and stop whining that you wont get to see the biggest elephant in town.
@@user-dt8xn9uy5w santuries dont breed animals therefore dont save animals in the wild reserves are just protected places for animals not to mention poachers can still and a lot of times do get into reserves
also many animals even woth reserves had to be saved by zoos like the southern white rhino or Mongolian wild horse
@@hyperlordyoutube santuries dont breed animals therefore dont save animals in the wild reserves are just protected places for animals not to mention poachers can still and a lot of times do get into reserves
also many animals even woth reserves had to be saved by zoos like the southern white rhino or Mongolian wild horse
You could never shut down because people don't have enough money to go Africa to see a lion or cheetahs
Watch a video lol
jackie ndiweni Good lord. Zoos need to be shut down for the sanctity of these wild animals, not be kept around for our convenience!
@Dania Rowsell CHS no you should educate yourself more educated people are the more likely they are to support zoos Jane Goodall E.O Wilson and Sir David Attenborough all agree that zoos are important for conservation
Ending the panda program because someone's feelings got hurt isn't wise. For as few as there are in the wild they could easily go extinct. Stop making decisions based on emotion and learn how to think like an adult.
We want to ban zoos with only economic interest, the ones for animal preservation and investigation are ok
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I think the zoo will be suet down? So early question!! We must go on the right direction, ethnicity the animals don't suffer from human being
What?
@@xbox7 They probably speak another language and translated it through google translate, it might not be too easy to understand but at least they tried and had the courtesy to acknowledge the fact that other people may speak different languages.
animals that don't thrive in captivity shouldn't be in captivity! im sure some animals can do quite well in zoos but some species just will never be happy :/ :/
it makes me so sad to see animals like elephants and primates suffering :/
Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos as seen in this video, but sure, you probably know more than the people who spent their lives with wild animals
Besides being a topic close to my heart, gotta say Liz Bonnin is utterly gorgeous! Exquisite!
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zoos needs to be closed, the programs for breeding should continue, just find another source of money. Animals are not here to entertain us. Help the endangered species and liberate others
Zoos are here senssibilize people to the problem of their extinction plus you point the problem but dont give sollutions, how should they get their money back
yes and let all animals go extinct great idia
Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos as seen in this video, but sure, you probably know more than the people who spent their lives with wild animals, btw how would they get their money, people like you like to make problems but offer no sollution
Keep good zoos that care for the animals and close shitty ones
NONE ZOO IS GOOD , THE REAL GOOD FOR ANIMALS IS THE JUNGLE , THE OCEAN , THE SKY , CAPTIVITY IS PRISON FOR WE , WHAT NO WOULD BE FOR THEY ???????????
These animals are either disabled or raised by humans, you put them in the wild they wouldnt know what to do. There was a sea lion at a rescue despite being wild born, kept coming back to humans since the rescue.
not to mentioned one other rescue was blind
@@willianramos5650 Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos as seen in this video, but sure, you probably know more than the people who spent their lives with wild animals
@@venividivici6738 Well you is right sorry but for me the enclousures of zoos are small
I do think most animals in a zoo higher thinking than the sort of stuff we eat they definitely think and get bored asf
I don't think we should ever close our zoos....though I do think we should change how we operate them when it comes to animal welfare.
Cool
zoo could be good but the most aren't.
i worked in one of the most famous zoos in the world for 10 years.
and for me with my knowledge of animals i have to say the most zoos are not good and they are hypocrite
zoos breed animals to make money (the don't sale them but with baby animals you get a lot of visitors.
the breed with animals the are related together and or sick animals who should not get the opportunity to reproduce.
so i am sure some zooanimals will extinct earlier then the ones in the wild
if people see that some animals have problems with a life in captivity (elephants die earlier then in the wild and polar bears have fur problems mental problems stereotypical behavement) our zoo argued with
" yes but the are the ambassador of there kind and look them up protects there species in the wild, and so we have genetic material to reproduce them in the future)
but this is not true zoos make money and that's it they don't care about genetic material or save them in the wildness.
i don't speak for all zoos but 95 % of all zoos i know are like that.
humans killing all the animals in the wild and we are so selfish to look some of them up so we can watch it forever.
Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos as seen in this video, but sure, you probably know more than the people who spent their lives with wild animals
Acho que a admiração e a vontade de estar perto desses animais sempre vão existir e nem todo mundo quer e pode ir até o hábitat natural desses animais para vê-los, principalmente as crianças. Então, o certo seria ampliar e adequar os espaços dos zoológicos para que se torne algo o mais parecido possível com a vida selvagem. Por outro lado, eu sou totalmente contra às apresentações de circo ou de parques temáticos com animais selvagens!
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Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos. Even national Geographic supports good zoos by having several programs and documentary about said zoos
@@willianramos5650 Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos. Even national Geographic supports good zoos by having several programs and documentary about said zoos, but sure you probably know better than the people who dedicated sll their lives to the cause of conservation.
Btw I worked in many zoos have a major in biology and zoology, and i can say that the Lisbon zoo is part of said good fredited zoos
Honestly I don’t know why zoos and some sanctuaries just say yes it’s for entertainment to come and see animals exotic wild animals . I mean as long as if they have massive enclosures and get some medical care and treatment and get taken care of it’s fine really. But I guess their scared because animal rights activists will use that to their advantages to want to shut them down even more.
You should proof-read the video for apostrophes.
I like it
All i know is that if i was an animal i would rather be free and live for a few days then live an entire lifetime in a small cage thats like sitting in youre room for you're whole life we should focus more on sanctuarys and protecting the animals in the wild from poachers
Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos as seen in this video, but sure, you probably know more than the people who spent their lives with wild animals
Does anyone know how I can watch this program from the U.S.? Thank you!
Sure, zoos have improved. But that doesn't make them any less unnecessary. And stupid. Maybe as a naive kid they seem cool.
Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos as seen in this video, but sure, you probably know more than the people who spent their lives with wild animals
Can you do our day out on Tuesday may 3rd on bbc four please
leave animals in the wild. Stop visiting zoo's!
I just did and i'll do it again and you can't stop me!!!!!!
yes ban zoos and let animals go extinct
Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos as seen in this video, but sure, you probably know more than the people who spent their lives with wild animals
@@antipetaassociation4279 it saddens me that even after seeying Jane Goodall her self speaking in favor of zoos, they still dont get that good zoos are crucial for conservation and education
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it's sad to see animals in cages but we must look at our nature and save it ..
the prophet Noah carry all the breeds of animals and insects on his ship to save them, look at the animals who extinct in the arabian peninsula and in Euroup we can not return them back, we must save our nature if we want our life on this plant
continue..
most zoos dont use cages
Oh god now we're mixing relligion with zoology
Don't close down zoos because I'll loose my job basically the video in a nutshell
The music is terribly distracting - lacks cohesion with the video content. Get rid of it. Or choose one melody and stick with it.
Your right-side pop-up text is also unnecessarily large, and obtrusive.
Who's doing your editing for god's sake?
I understand you, but i think they do that cause is a trailer and they need you to keep the atention with that things
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This why i hate zoos!
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@xi jinping ... So you think zoos are good?
watch a few documentaries about some zoos and you should be able to see that zoos are cruel. if you still can't see that, then there's something wrong with you.
@@hyperlordyoutube zoos are good watch secrets of a zoo on national grographics or the zoo and chirky ts the irwins on animal planet
Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos as seen in this video, but sure, you probably know more than the people who spent their lives with wild animals
The controversy in these comments it unreal. it sickens me to see that people think this is ok. watch a few documentaries and educate yourself, since you obviously wont listen to peoples comments that debunk your crappy arguments thousands of times, or just watch the video without having a hissy fit.
@xi jinping ok? No offence, but literally nobody cares.
@@hyperlordyoutube zoos are good prove me wrong
@@antipetaassociation4279 They literally cage animals. Imagine being born then living your ENTIRE life in a prison.
@@hyperlordyoutube exept most zoos nowadays dont put animals in cages
@@antipetaassociation4279 yeah they put them in tiny little enclosures
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So answer the questin, give your opinion about it, kid! Here in Brazil there are this "first" mania too. lol
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I don't think zos should exists let alone have these wildlife animals taken out of their habitat.
@@magentos9821sanctuaries, reverses And endangered species have their own dedicated centres to bring them back to society! Zoo's are not needed
@@user-dt8xn9uy5w santuries dont breed animals therefore dont save animals in the wild reserves are just protected places for animals not to mention poachers can still and a lot of times do get into reserves
also many animals even with reserves had to be saved by zoos like the southern white rhino or Mongolian wild horse
@@user-dt8xn9uy5w Good credited zoos do more for conservation than any of us will do in 10 lifetimes, zoos serve as embassadors for the animals, a visit to a zoo, seeying the animals right there in front of you surpasses any emotion you can get from a documentary, of wichbkids just dont have the patience to sit through.
I worked i zoos that treat their animals better than most hospitals treat their patients, I've seen freacking elephants recieve acupuncture right in front of me.
Plus most zoologists even famous ones like Sir David Attenburough and Jane Goodall are pro zoos as seen in this video, but sure, you probably know more than the people who spent their lives with wild animals
@@venividivici6738 I wrote that two years ago, and my reply to the other guy never got sent. I obviously was not talking about credited zoo's, on the topic of breeding we don't NEED to breed animals it's completely unnecessary. Animals who are endangered, threatened etc, are bred in safe environments with biologists overseeing them.
Not all zoo's are bad yes, but MOST are. Roadside zoo's are horrific, we need more laws and more restrictions. There are plenty of other alternatives.
Most of all the animals that are in zoo's are mostly lions, tigers, gorillas, etc. There are not animals that are threatened or need conservation. These are animals who suffer psychologically by being put in a stressful environment, imagine being an apex predator and being mocked by people daily.
We all love animals and want better for them, the topic of zoo's is something that definitely needs to be talked about 👍 I don't doubt there are keepers who love the animals.
Like I said children can learn about the beauty of these animals BETTER in sanctuaries, why would you not want to see them in their natural environment?
@@user-dt8xn9uy5w reality check kiddo not dverykne can afford go to sanctuaries, but sure i guess you know more than professionals who spent their entire lives with animals, disgusting how you muddy the work of those same people and their valuable efforts towards conservation
for the people who suggest, you don't need a zoo just watch a video on youtube. I would like to suggest instead of reproducing, watch porn and pretend your making a baby.
Good argument 👍
They just want their profit and their jobs.