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I feel in my heart that we do sleep in the Graves until judgment day and people will be consumed, burnt up in hell fire but 1. Jesus parable with the rich guy and Lazarus, says of Hades as being a conscious place of either torment or Abraham's side. 2. When Jesus said to the thief on the cross 'truly I say to you today you will be with me in paradise', 3. When Jesus said he would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days before resurrection and 4 the orthodox church believes Hades is a place of torment and they are the 1rst church who have not changed even till today the teachings of the first disciples as they received it.. Even the original language as they were written.. I'm confused and continually tormented mentally with this..
Yes Doug you have been exposed wearing 🐑 clothing but under it is a 🐺. (You go along with a false prophet Ellen G White and Jesus Christ (Yeshua) is not a 👼 angel matter fact Doug God tells us to never worship angels KJV . God bless all ❤️ 🤗
@@sandyscuba6101 well when you die you will Not sleep in No grave. You will either go to heaven or you will die and go to Hell there's No gray period because that's Not possible for anyone to die and just go to the grave yard and thinking that your soul will just stay in your body while you are still in the grave yard because you wouldn't be dead if that happened because you will still be alive and you will still be feeling pain and you will Not be unconscious
@@caseyoliver4718 yeah I know this now for sure.. Everything I mentioned above plus the spiritual realm is real and we are body and spirit.. And Satanists can astral project so the spirit does depart the dead body.. I know most my loved ones are in heaven now.. ❤️ God bless you
I have struggled with the concept of "hell", as it was being taught to me, for 35 years! I have had many discussions with God about this subject. Through the years I have rebelled and turned from God a few times, specifically because of what I had been taught about "hell". I could not reconcile the God of Scripture with "eternal conscious torment". For more than a decade now, I have been helping to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give shelter to the homeless and clean water to the thirsty, but I've always stayed away from "evangelism". I had such a hard time presenting a message that I felt had such a foundational issue, the concept of eternal torment. I have now researched (and am still researching) conditional immortality and believe that it is the truth as revealed through Scripture. It is the most consistent and reconcilable message. I now am making plans to begin my journey of evangelism and its become very clear to me what my main hesitations were until now.... before I felt as though I would be preaching a message of "fear" and now I know that I will be preaching a message of "Love" and God is Love! 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. Blessings to All
I 100% concur with you. I have been a Christian for almost 40 years and am pastoring a small church. I am like you - I evangelized heaps and I struggled with ECT and now I am studying CI. Once I was street preaching about 20 yrs ago and it was probably an SDA person who literally accosted me about hell and the injustice of God burning someone for eternity. I was so impacted that I re-studied 'aionios' meaning, etc etc but I still erred on the side of ECT as I felt there was more weight of scripture in that argument then, however, now I am conceding to CI as the case is looking pretty rock solid to be honest. It's actually a no-brainer when you read all the verses associated. I am older now and way more deft at interpreting scripture and this is one more 'watershed' moment for me in my pursuit of true doctrine. I have been here before and I know when one side of the argument is on real slippery slope and the other is giving me so much more traction. Wow! God bless you too my brother for all you do. I should have gone by my instincts way earlier than this and re-looked at this more properly. So many doctrines are more based on tradition than scripture. I love the word of God and God is so gracious but many doctrines have been perverted that have impugned his grace, mercy, love and justice that it is no wonder many are disillusioned by what many churches erroneously teach. This doctrine impacts so many other truths of scripture. It's going to take a long time to change things but I know it will be worth it.
Doug has presented a revelation with so many Biblical, historical and scientifically researched proof. He is not saying that there is no hell for tormenting sinners. He is simply saying that the JUST God will subject sinners to various degrees and length of torment before they ultimately "PERISH", "consume away" , "die" etc accoding to his word and nature. The only issue that cedibly counter this view is the reference to torment "for ever and ever" as in Rev 9:10 - KJV. But the issue of mistranlation of this term settles it. If we believe that the Greek word that was translated to "ever and ever" actually means an indefinite period then let us accept that we have been misleading the whole world ignorantly and call a spade a spade. Good people will still worship God for the love of God and the benefits of eternal life with the Lord of Lord, not for the fear of eternal torment.
Praise God...Coming to the conclusion that hell isn't a place of eternal torment for any and every sinner no matter what the sin, didn't make me want to say YAY that means I can sin and not worry about hell..It makes me want to serve God even more tor His TRUE character and His REAL LOVE...The other view of eternal torment is insane on so many levels. worshiping God out of fear is a false worship..our GOD is not false..So He would never want someone to worship Him for any other reason than Love for Him as a wonderful merciful compassionate GOD rather than one that if you don't worship Him he will burn you FOREVER... I am praying more people come to understand that this eternal torment for one sin is a LIE FROM SATAN...
pablo picasso God does not send us to hell for one sin. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. But when a person continues in sin then there is a problem. 1 John 3:8 says, "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil." So if the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil, why should we continue to sin?
From a man, who was granted "A second-chance" of LIFE by our LORD--->Jesus "The Christ" . . . and COMMANDED by our LORD: "NOT TO JUDGE"!! (This was directed at me!!), I was in a 3-day coma. After 5-days (when I recongized people??) I was TOLD by my loved-ones: "You were in a coma for 3-days . . . I told them, "Baloney" !! (or something like that???) I "assumed" that knew what a 3-day period of time was!!!! I was WRONG!! In the "Spiritual realm" their is no TIME as we know it!! To prove it, When I was in HEAVEN . . . I didn't see any clocks or anybody wearing watches! But then again, there ALWAYS . . . one! PRAISE BE TO OUR FATHER, SON (SAVIOR-JESUS), AND TO THE HOLY SPIRIT. (TRUE STORY)
Chris Chukwu False teaching , plain and simple Thessalonians 1:8-9King James Version (KJV) 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Can someone answer this... If people are burning in Hell right now, then what is the point of judgement day???? Judgement day is pointless if people are in heaven and hell currently.
This is biblically correct! How many times did I encounter atheists who turned their backs on God, just because of this demonic doctrine of eternal hellfire. It is almost impossible to convince a rational thinking person, that God is love, when there is this evil concept, that an all loving and merciful God will punish unbelievers for all eternity in his torture chamber called hell. Thank you pastor Doug for this liberating message. As Christians we must uphold Gods character with Bible truth!
This is an outstanding explanation of how people needn’t think badly of Jehovah God. When I finally read the Bible for myself and realized these same truths, I was finally able to give up my dread of God, and my thinking that He was just waiting for me to screw up and be sent to everlasting torment, which always seemed unjust.
31:30 It's about time someone addressed this problem. People ignore a hundred verses that say "destruction", "perish", "no more" and the like, in favor of one of or two that say "eternal torment". An even better question to ask "mainstream" Christians: "Why do you want hell to be real?"
Revelation says The Satan, the false prophet and all unsaved people will be cast alive into the lake of fire which is the the second death. No rest day or night . Their worm dieth not . The smoke of their TORMENT ascends forever AND ever . ( You have to be conscious to feel pain). Revelation supercedes because it's the final event.
Many Christians do not know what they read aproducts of tradition and the church and that's a fact the Bible doesn't speak about people being tormented forever yes it does speak about torment but it doesn't say that they will be burned eternally to understand eternal fire go to the Old testament we are given an example of eternal fire Sodom and Gommorrah, you don't take one verse in Revelations and build doctrine from it when it clearly contradicts the rest of the Bible when it comes to the subject of the lost and their punishment see that's the problem with most Christians, Satan has been blindfolded and deceived MANY "thou shalt not surely die" products of tradition don't want to hear the truth that's why they make their way to videos like this and comment, no no you're wrong but yet in spite of that you can show them hundreds of scriptures which tell you that the Lost don't have eternal life and they are burned up consumed will be no more but they're so deceived and blindfolded there's no persuading them , some will come to know the truth and have,but others will remain stubborn and ignorant
I really want to believe this. I hope it's true. I myself for about 2 months have been having on and off depression stages thinking about hell and it's been making me upset with God. My dad has dementia and is 69. I think what if he goes to hell. If I could believe in annihilation it would be so comforting and make me happy. Pray for me
My friend be at peace. Hell does not exist and no one will be annihilated. If Christ fails to save one person or devil then he himself is a liar and sinner. The Messiah is no liar or sinner. He is the Savior of the World. The Torah could not be changed. Every Holy prophet declared the universal reconciliation of ALL things.
Eternal conscious torment in hell is completely unbiblical. Scripture is very clear on this matter. The “traditional” view of hell came late in Christianity, based upon Gentile converts incorporating Greek Platonic thoughts about the immortality of the soul, which is completely foreign and thoroughly refuted throughout Scripture. The word “hell” as traditionally defined appears nowhere in Scripture. Of the four words translated as “hell,” two refer only to the grave, another is an actual place Jesus used when speaking to Jews in Jerusalem who knew it, and the only other is never used related to the fate of the unsaved. Neither Paul nor any other epistle author ever once warns nor mentions of hell to anyone at any time. In Acts, no one is ever warned that rejecting the Gospel would lead to eternal conscious torment. It is never mentioned once to anyone at any time, which is inexplicable is the “traditional” view is accurate. “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23). What does John 3:16 state that the option are? Everlasting life, or perish. How perish can be defined as to not perish, but maintain an everlasting but tormented existence. Jesus paid the price for sin by dying, and in rising again became the first fruits of the promised inheritance, eternal life.
Oh really you don't think that exists 🤔 well and you said that there's No Hell. Well guess what there is rather you believe it or Not and you call yourself a Christian so I'm assuming that you believe in God and the Lord Jesus Christ but you don't believe in Hell. That doesn't make No sense for one thing and what do you think the reason why that the Lord Jesus Christ went to that cross to save us from boy you are a imbecile and you ain't No Christian at all No Not at all because you said you don't believe in Hell well I hate to tell you this but there is and you are still going there if you don't change
@@TheBenevolentDictatorship well unfortunately there is a Hell and the Bible does say that and Jesus talks about that many times you just want to ease your conscience and make yourself feel comfortable in your own understanding and in your own beliefs BUT THERE IS A HELL AND ITS REAL AND YOU WOULD BE STUPID NOT TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO HELL.
@@caseyoliver4718 Eternal conscious torment is a lie from Satan. The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. Scripture is clear that the lost will be completely and ultimately destroyed. Eternal Hell is a Roman Catholic invention because they incorporated the pagan immortality of the soul doctrine and so needed a place to put immortal souls. But Scripture is clear that God alone has immortality and that it is a gift for those in Christ, not something which we already possess. Fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in Hell. When Adam and Eve sinned, what was the consequence of their sin? Eternal Hell? No, they literally died instead of living forever with God. The tree of life was guarded specifically so that they would NOT become immortal. Neither Paul nor any other apostles ever once mentions nor warns of eternal conscious torment to anyone at any time. In Acts, many have the Gospel shared and yet no one at any time is ever warned of eternal conscious torment. John 3:16 clearly shows the choices are everlastingly life in Christ, or death in sin, not everlasting life in Heaven or Hell. Over 100 Scriptures speak of the final destruction of the wicked and unrepentant-shall be no more forever; as if they never were; be as ash, as stubble, vanish, perish, be consumed; be as wax before the flame; consume away; be destroyed; suffer the punishment of everlasting *destruction* The road is narrow and the way hard which leads to life, and few find it; the road is wide and the way easy, and many are who find it, the path which leads to destruction, etc. It was Satan who told the original lie: “You shall surely not die…” and here you are believing Satan over God who said “The soul that sins shall die.” The idea of eternal conscious torment in Hell was foreign to Jews of the 1st century, and it was completely foreign to Jesus. The word “Hell,” as traditionally defined appears not even once in all of Scripture. The words translated as “Hell” “Sheol,” and “Hades” are merely the grave. “Gehenna” is used by Jesus only when speaking to Jews in or around Jerusalem because it was an actual place where garbage was burned, including dead bodies. “Where their worm does not die and their fire is not quenched…” is in quotes because Jesus is quoting Isaiah, a picture of total destruction, not conscious torment. The only other word translated as “Hell” is “Tartarus,” which os only used twice and never in reference to the judgement. You can choose to believe the traditions of men and the original lie of the serpent, but I’ll choose to believe what the Scriptures teach clearly.
Excellent study. I needed the confirmation that God is not a sadist, but my understanding of the scriptures quoted, were taking over and added to my confusion. Yet, an overwhelming belief that God is Love prevented me to belief those scriptures. Consequently I was tortured between accusing God or disbelieving His word. Now I am relieved and found peace within myself. The moment I heard that the parable of Lazarus will be addressed in another sermon, I searched it on TH-cam and found many which I will no doubt watch, as this parable was the only obstacle which could have dismissed these wonderful and so enlightening explanations. But I am sure that a good answer and study of the parable will help me to once for all close this fear of hell and the trauma I went through thinking about the suffering of even the wicked. I panicked as I imagined them pleading, but God would not hear, would actually enjoy almost his revenge on them forever and forever. THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL VIDEO.
Malachi 4:1-3 The Great Day of the Lord 4:1 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. 3 And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.
+heidi Rehm Heidi, how dare you show the subscribers, preachers and teachers of eternal burning in hell fire the truth in the word of God by the mouth of his prophets concerning the punishment of the wicked? Do you not see that it reveals the doctrinal errors and exposes the heresies of those which support the unbiblical, pagan versions of eternal burning in hellfire? Well done Heidi! ;-)
the Lake of Fire is an ETERNAL punishment (Matthew 25:41,46, Rev 14:9-11 #166 = everlasting, eternal, never ending, perpetual....) because it is for people that have rejected the Gift of ETERNAL GOD. so think about this: "Jesus" was once part of Elohim (Creators, plural, Gen 1:26, Col 1:15-17). "Jesus" made the ultimate "Agape Love" sacrifice and EMPTIED himself of his eternal, almighty, glorious GODhood and was made/created a Man (Phil 2:6-7), so that he could be the Kinsman Redeemer for Mankind by being perfectly obedient as a Man (Romans 5:15-21). Jesus was zero % GOD at his birth. so what should be the punishment of someone that has rejected this Gift of GOD giving up his ETERNAL Godhood so that we could be spiritually RE-connected back to GOD who is Spirit? thats right, ETERNAL punishment.
joeforHistruth actually.. your doctrine didn't really become popular until only like 1700 years ago.. it was not the original teaching bible figures spoke of the wages of sin being Death and Destruction many times.. it should be "said no mainstream pastor since the 3rd century"
If this is true then why does Jesus say, “Then the King will turn to those on his left and say, “Depart from me ye cursed ones, into the ETERNAL fire prepared for the devil and his demons” Do not lesson the gravity of Christ warnings to appease the itching ears of listeners. Hell is real. Jesus sacrifice was to atone for sinners that when God saw the blood, He will not send humanity to hell. God’s righteous anger was satisfied. Beware.
I'm not a SDA but I agree with the position put forth in this video. I used to believe in ECT (eternal conscious torment) but it's simply not what the scriptures teach. Humans do not inherently have an "immortal soul" that is "gonna spend somewhere forever" like I used to teach and like traditionalists teach. The Bible nowhere teaches you have an "immortal soul". There is not one single verse in the Hebrew, Greek, or the English translations of the the words for soul that says the "soul" is immortal. Look them up for yourself. In the KJV, the words Nephesh and Psuche are translated about 44 different ways, totaling 859 words and that includes the word soul of course. Look them up in a concordance like Strongs and find one single time that it says that the soul is immortal. I challenge you. The only people who get immortality receive it as a gift form God at the resurrection (See 1 Cor. 15) and that is not "just their body". The rest (the unsaved) are destroyed. Look up the all the verses for yourself and get off youtube just spouting traditionalist, scripture-twisting pagan heresies like inherent immortality of humans. The Bible has a way of revealing truth...if you want truth. Be a Berean and study for yourselves from the BIBLE.
"G. T. M". But, I have a "PROBLEM" understanding what you, PRINT or What you MEAN to PRINT! I have a A.B.I. ??----> (ACQUIRED BRAIN INJURY) from a near fatal accident. I was given by OUR LORD, Jesus the Christ", a second chance at life! So I became "A Berean" in Spirit. I have read the WORD, from cover to cover, MANY TIMES!!!!!!!!!!! But it does not take a "CHILD" to understand the MEANINGS of GOD'S WORDS; it TAKES the FAITH of a "CHILD"! 2Tim. 1:10: "but it has now been revealed thru the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel". Ro. 2:7: "To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life". iCor. 15:53-54: "For the perishable, must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. (54) "when the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality . . ." The PROBLEM, I believe (??) is YOUR "Mental State of THINKING"! The WORDS can have two meanings! But the HOLY SPIRIT DEFINES THE "TRUE MEANINGS"---JUST ASK!
@@kirkjohnson2924 Which stuns me why people would accuse Adventists a cult. Isn't a cult a group that intentionally deceives other into joining? Interesting how churches preach that if you don't accept the word of God, you will end up suffering eternally. Funny how that works
2 Peter 2:4-6 4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ASHES he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
For one hell is a mistranslation their it's using the Greek word tartarus and it's simply a prision. Seems to make sense chain's being bound in a prision because they are imprisoned. Also think for abit fire creats light and it says their in darkness right ? Furthermore the new testament may use word's from Greek mythology but these word's have usages outside of Greek mythology. In short just because the Greek new testament has word's from Greek mythology doesn't mean the new testament uses the same meaning.
Pastor Doug is a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor. They teach Exactly what the Bible says. But so many trusts their pastors willing to lose their salvation . Instead of checking the whole bible for the truth. Seventh Day Pastors teach to read the bible for yourselves. That they are only human. If you love God read His word.
Mikkel Lowe so the cult requirements for rappit's denomination is: Disagree with the eternal punishment in hell/doom and gloom doctrine, or any other doctrine straight outta the pages of the book of the Nicolaitans.
Robt Clayton "Adventist preach that every time there's a house fire and a gold fish burns up in a fish tank, the gold fish is thrown in into EVERLASTING FIRE Because tbe good fish were annihilated , ADVENTISTS ARE SO ENLIGHTENED!!" My church preaches no such thing. We don't believe death is the end, so your argument falls apart there. We believe that when Jesus comes the third time to earth with New Jerusalem to make the world anew, the dead would be raised up in the resurrection of damnation (John 5:28; Revelation 20). There, the devil and the wicked will be punished with eternal death, as stated in Romans 6:23. This whole explanation concerning to "exist" in eternal punishment is erroneous and against what the Bible plainly teaches.
Im not a SDA but I believe he is telling the truth. I am a Christian and God's love for us, shown through His son; Jesus ..says He loves mankind too much to put him in a torture chamber for all eternity.....'there will be no more pain... No more sorrow..anywhere!. God loves sinners.... 'all have sinned' what a wonderful God we serve.. what a wonderful Creator. What a wonderful Savior. We will all rest assure our loved ones are not suffering...... this indeed Biblical. To believe all are eventually in Heaven is not. There is a judgement.
@@TramonWalker And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28 (KJV)
good teaching on Conditional Immortality. people, you gotta keep in mind that in order for one to be eternally tormented for all eternity, you have to have one of three things happen: 1.) the soul of every human is naturally or inherently immortal (which contradicts 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Romans 2:7, Ephesians 2:8) 2.) the wicked receive the the gift of eternal life (which contradicts Romans 6:23, Ephesians 2:8, 1 John 5:12, John 3:16) 3.) the lake of fire both burns and heals the wicked (which no scripture of any kind in the entire Bible can be found to support anything like this) the wicked do not receive the gift of God, which is eternal life... the only way one receives immortality is through Jesus Christ. if you dont have the Son, you dont have life (1 John 5:12). Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. it says the wages of sin is death... it never says, and nowhere in all of scripture does it ever say the wages of sin is eternal life in the lake of fire. it doesnt get any more simpler than that.
I hope you realise a proper and literal translation of the bible does not have everlasting or eternal punishment. But by your comment you don't. The bible both in the old and new testament deals with age/eon lasting punishment and to the Greek and Hebrew people at the time was a period of time. It could be long or short. This doesn't mean their is no eternal life according to the bible but that comes after Eonian life and Eonian chastisment. To know what I'm talking about get the concordant literal translation new testament. According to it God is also a part of the eons as well and the eons does not limit God. Fyi I use to study in this stuff . While it's true I no longer believe in God i know what I'm talking about.
This reminds me when I gave my life to Christ, I had no idea about these Bible truths. Then I came across pastor Doug Batchelor, & I believe with all my heart the Lord lead me to him, & hearing the truth on hell for the 1st time made me love Jesus so much more, knowing He doesnt burn ppl for ever & ever (which btw kept me away from wanting anything to do with God, b/c I would think, what kind of god burns ppl for ever!) ty pastor Batchelor for leading me to Gods true church, the SDA movement.
What anyone thinks about the doctrine of Hell is completely irrelevant- opinion is not a factor. The Bible is the final authority, the word of God, and it describes Hell very clearly. Hell is a real place of fire and brimstone, it is an everlasting place of weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, smoke, darkness and torment. Jesus was not a liar, the book says what it says.. Matthew 25:41 KJV Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
kcuf7 - amen. Very true and very sad reality of today. Lots of preachers try to air condition hell these days- it’s because thats where they are going.
kcuf7 very true, we just need to keep fighting the good fight! 2 Timothy 2:4 KJV No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
Yeah, because I would definitely want to serve a God that sends me to eternal suffering because I chose to act on the very idea He created of free will. In fact, I cant believe you would want to serve a God like that. Fortunately for me, I serve a God that is merciful and died for my sins, not a God that would cast me to a ungodly place
Also, please look up scholar David In stone Brewer. He proves that the Greek words translated as eternal punisment/torment back in jesus day was connected to the qaumron idea of punishment followed by extinction, not eternal torment. This is what his audience would of understood.
I for one cannot accept this - that a God of unconditional love would be so cruel as to create hell to punish his own creation FOREVER and ever. Any human who tortures other humans would be labelled 'inhuman'.
+Allan Tan even the worst human will be received as long as they *truly* have a change of heart and mind and actually do the work. the work is: REPENT! CONFESS! SEEK CHRIST! if even a murderer does that they will be saved. say somebody steals your car (your actual motor vehicle, not your body) and it caused you all sorts of problems. if you do not forgive, you're the one who is wrong. the thief would be better than you if that thief did right in their heart and mind (turn from sin, repent, confess, and seek christ). in the simplest language, you can do any sin to anyone. it's permissible, so long as you do the work. but there's a time limit. there's a time when it's too late to do the work, too late to repent. that person will be condemned and will die in their sin. when a victim wants justice the only response from god will be: forgive. it's rather sick when you apply it to the real world and the day to day life.
ALL people are "just a man talking about their beliefs" but you can't criticise what someone has to say without first listening to what they ARE saying
Matthew 25:41 - Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: So what does everlasting mean?
+Bill Wiebe What does “Everlasting” of Matthew 25 mean? NOVEMBER 17, 2009 tags: everlasting, fire, Hell, punishment In continuation with my study on Hell, another popular proof text I get often from proponents is Matt 25:41-46:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ 44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”Now most of you will say, AHA! Undeniable proof that there are people burning in hell right now because it’s everlasting. It appears so, but if you dig a little deeper, the true meaning will surface, as the Bible always interprets itself.There are 2 ways to look at everlasting:Everlasting = something continual and on-going, similar phrases include eternal, forever and everEverlasting = the effects are permanent, or ‘ever-lasting’, lasting forever/eternalTo find out, we have to look at the context and other examples in the Bible of something everlasting.We have to look no further than Jude 5-7 (NIV):5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[c] delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home-these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.Aha! See the bad guys were punished with eternal fire. Or were they? Lets look closer at Jude 7.In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.The Bible says Sodom and Gomorrah serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. (NKJV says “suffering the vengeance of eternal fire”). Now the question is, if they’re an example, Is Sodom and Gomorrah burning right now? Last time I checked, Sodom & Gomorrah were never rebuilt and there is no fire over there. Then what happened? The Bible says the city was turned to ash.Lets look at 2 Peter 2:6.4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;(Note: I can expand further on this passage, but that is beyond the intended scope of this article and we can examine this passage later) The verse confirms what Jude says about the topic, S&G were made examples, it was turned to ash. How does a city get turned to ash, by fire of course:Genesis 19:24-2824 Then the LORD rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the LORD out of the heavens. 25 So He overthrew those cities, all the plain, all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. 26 But his wife looked back behind him, and she became a pillar of salt. 27 And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the LORD. 28 Then he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain; and he saw, and behold, the smoke of the land which went up like the smoke of a furnace.So we can see, Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by fire and brimstone. But Matthew says it waseverlasting fire. Yes, was Sodom and Gomorrah ever rebuilt? No. Were the effects everlasting? Yes. And there you have it, in this context, everlasting refers to the effects of something, in this case, fire and punishment.So what is the hell the Bible talks about. In short, at the end of days, when God establishes a new Jerusalem here on earth (Rev 20), and the lost (including the devil and fallen angels) will rise against God, God will send down his final, eternal punishment of death, in the form of fire and brimstone, and it will consume the lost forever (2nd death). Why? The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life… (Rom 6:23), not eternal torment. That is just plain cruel.Sorry to burst the bubble of those who relish in the fact that your enemies are suffering in hell right now, the Bible clearly shows that there is no hell of that sort.
Hell fire is a symbolic meaning of torment which is brought about by the law of sowing and reaping , Hell starts from this earth it is used by Jesus to describe in a spiritual figurative sense but people who claim to be Christians are busy misinterpreting the parables of Jesus for purposes that suit them a man drowning is suffering hell
Yeah, it would seem that ALL the evangelicals will leave their congregations and flock to SDA, specifically to DougBachelor, BUT just as many might just decide to stop flockin at all since ETERNAL HELL parallels ETERNAL HEAVEN. IF WE allow a preacher to redefine HELL as temporary, we default that HEAVEN to is TEMPORARY! HERESY! Wake Up people!
Sure is and they're just perpetuating the LIE of the devil and saying that you don't surely die that you have this immortal soul which continues on to live
I think this pastor has interpreted the Bible so well and delivered the truth contained therein. He has mixed the teaching with reality and the nature of our LOVING GOD. I wish many more people gets this teaching. The concept of people burning in hell right now, people going to hell or heaven immediately and burning indefinitely for ages without losing senses is taught in over 95% of Christian churches. The whole confusion comes from the interpretation of the scriptures on " Rich man and Lazarus, plus "Jesus promise to the repentant thief" plus other teachings whose source you cannot exactly authenticate. I wish many more pastors like this one come up and hold programmes like this to air this truth. The truth of matter is, many people backslide and go back to sinful ways when the nature of God is misrepresented to be sadistic. Reason: they wonder why God would even create them in the first place, put them in a world of temptations, and with all His might and power, allow them to burn forever as the righteous glorify him. Is God's nature to inflict pain, despair and regrets indufinely, in the name of punishing? What can He gain by so doing? Personally, I believe the loving father cannot purpose before hand to do such a thing. I think it's satan's making for people to believe he is in charge of hell and torturing people day and night, even the first man to die, Cain, but without Satan himself and the torturers getting burnt. This depicts God as unable to control Satan, and even giving Satan power of human beings, even after becoming enemy with God. This particular belief has seen people go into devil worship: belief that he can overpower God, he is in charge and that he owns and can control the destinies of men. Pastors, you have a great task ahead of you, to study the Bible and deliver to believers the intended message rather than what your doctrine teaches, or what situation you would like to favour.
I have watched a lot of ndes as well and thought I had it figured out but I also want to make sure I don't accept experience over God's word so let's continue to pray that God will show us the truth
There is ETERNAL TORMENT in the lake of fire, not in hades/hell that Jesus mentioned in Luke 16:19-31. Thats temporal until that will be thrown into the lake of fire at the end.
There is an intermendiate state between death and resurrection on the last day, that leaves room for ghosts and NDEs and so on... if NDEs are true then many non-christians also go to the light, which I honestly would have no problem with, as I do believe Jesus can reconcile all things to him. But again, the anniholation perspective does not rule out NDEs
I think this entire debate about the false doctrine being taught about hell can be solved by this verse from Mark chapter 9, where Jesus says, "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched". To teach that hell is only where a soul dies is to tell an atheist, "you're kinda right, your soul doesn't last forever, so you have nothing to worry about."
Remember that there cannot be just one verse to prove a doctrine. Hell is translated in that verse as the burning place called Geenna in Greek, which is the place of burning. They throw away all their trash there to be burnt. We must always compare scripture with scripture so we do not have our own interpretation mixed in it.
this exact same thing is something that's been in my head and on my heart lately. I'm so glad I stumbled on this video. talk about confirmation! I don't claim any denomination as being "the right one". Teaching is either in line with scripture or it's not. This particular teaching is definitely in line even though I disagree with a lot of seventh day adventistism. Excellent video!
Thanks to pastor Doug for his clear and concise exposition on the subject of hell. The rich man and Lazarus was a beautiful parable that became a living lesson study for the Jewish leaders at the time Jesus Christ walked the earth. Not long after telling the parable Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead. Did he complain about being brought back to earth from heaven? NO! Did he thank Jesus from bringing him out of hell? NO! Why because the Bible is clear. KJV Ecclesiastes 9:5 - 6 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. The reason why Lazarus had nothing to say was because he was sleeping in death to be awaken at the second coming of Jesus Christ. KJV Psalm 6:5 5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Don Ward Absolutely right Don. In fact, if you take into account all the resurrections in the Bible, not a single one of them ever had anything to say about a heaven or hell. They were silent. Why? Because as you quoted, they were asleep in death. Just as Jesus said "Lazarus sleeps..." But then he had to make it plain for his disciples because they thought He was talking of natural sleep, so Jesus told them "Lazarus is dead." John 11:11, 14.
You are welcome Don. But that's not to say that there aren't some in heaven, but the general resurrection hasn't taken place yet. For example we know Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven without seeing death. Moses was resurrected and taken to heaven. And there were many who were resurrected the same time as Jesus. Matt 27:52, 53. It is presumed by some that these were a sort of wave offering and were taken up to heaven as a first fruits and some of them became the 24 elders around the throne we read about in Revelation 4. There is a scripture that refers to these elders as men. But the overall resurrection will not take place till the Second Coming of Christ. Even Martha ,Lazarus' sister knew this as she said, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day." John 11:24. Not sure where some people get their theology of a secret resurrection or rapture before the Second Coming. The judgment won't be complete until the last day. Scripture tells us that time and time again. John 12:48; John 6:39, 40, 44, 54. How could God rightly decide who goes to heaven and who doesn't if the judgment hasn't taken place yet? First the judgment and then the resurrection. Until then, those who have died beforehand will remain asleep in their graves awaiting the resurrection. "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." Daniel 12:2 "...the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." John 5:28, 29. Notice John said "the hour IS coming". That means it hadn't happened at death but it is coming.
And as a result they turned many people away from God they make him out to be a sadist but one one studies the scriptures thoroughly they find out the true character of God man has done nothing but malign his character many Christian denomination still do till this day it's a sad reality
@@Hulkmosher Revelation says Satan, the false prophet and all unsaved people will be cast alive into the lake of fire which is the second death. No rest day or night Their worm dieth not . The smoke of their TORMENT ascends forever AND ever . ( You have to be conscious to feel pain). Revelation supercedes because it's the final event .
@@janetdavidson8798 it's clear to me you don't understand what you're reading,and that you don't listen,I told you revelations uses a lot of symbolism ,PAY ATTENTION
I think "eternity" has been misunderstood. "Eternity" does not refer to an endless amount of time, rather, it is outside time - time does not pass in eternity as we perceive it to pass in our limited 4-dimensional spacetime. Even if it were an endless amount of time the suggestion that Cain could suffer a longer eternity than Hitler is absurd. Doug's teaching in this film generally seems to be based on the limited reality which we experience during our lives in this world.
If you would check the Strong's Concordance, you would find that in the Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary, item 5315, it shows that in this verse of scripture that the soul is tranlated "a breathing creature" the word is nephesh: pronounced neh-fesh. As it is told to us in Genesis 2:7, God breathed into man the BREATH OF LIFE, and man BECAME a living soul. Same word. Same meaning. He became a breathing creature.
Hell and the lake of fire are real. Whether forever or not should not matter. To be separated from our King Jesus for any length of time is unimaginable. Seek JESUS!
It matters when witnessing to unsaved people. They don't see it as a just concept of God, which it isn't if its forever torture. A period of death = to your sins is just. Many people reject God simply for that, and won't even read a Bible.
Alright , so im from turkey and i don't believe in any religions , so let's say that i become a christian and my entire family muslim and they go to hell and i go to heaven and they will burn in hell and while they're burning in hell i will live in peace in heaven ! This is bullshit !
Peter Rappit your post show just how SICK you and your Pentecostal religion is. You believe in a god worse that Hitler.you don't have the Love of Christ in you or do you even know the True God Jesus Christ. you say things like. Peter Rappit1 day agoCrazy boy if you get to Heaven you will have no remembrance of your earthly family perishing in Hell.
Peter Rappit Now just were do you come up with me being a Adventist?LOL Shows how sick you are. Now please read close. I AM OF NO AND THAT MEANS NONE. RELIGION. Read below what you said below in one of your post. You claim to be God? You said you had the mind of God. Was Jesus God Rappit. YES HE WAS. And here is what you said in your post. Peter RappitJesse and Jan I have the mind of Christ Jesus
Why didn't god just destroy the devil a long time ago if he's going to destroy him anyway? Why leave him to destroy and deceive on earth if he really doesn't like the devil? It sounds to me like god needs someone to blame for his wrong doings.
should be fair to pay in fire all eternity for just 70 years of sin? Dont you think something is wrong there? Should it be love? The simple answer is. God is love. His punishment is forever but the fire is short. The real meaning of fire is no existence (sry for my English im learning
the greek word for everlasting is aiónios which is the ancient equivalent of the English word eon which is a period of time do everlasting punishment is not eternal because eternal surpasses eon and time but the original word said aiónios which is a period of time so the wicked wont burn forever
Some see this sermon as a way to give sinners comfort but to my view the servant of God wanted to bring light in view of God as merciful God. Because God cannot be said to merciful and yet he casts sinners into an endless flames of fire. According to this sermon it proves God is not a vicious God. He cannot stand watching sinners cry forever in flames of fire.
Thanks. I have been wanting help on explaining this to my friends. Its unbelievable that grown men get behind the pulpit and teach the fairy tale of people burning in a hellfire forever. Sadly though, I have many friends who have spent their lives believing in hellfire. I have tried to explain that it's just a stupid teaching. Of course, that didn't get me anywhere. I will try to get them to watch your video, but if not, I guess I'm going to have to learn all that you say.Why is it so important to me? I do not appreciate my heavenly Father being portrayed in this light. Thanks again.
Yes they make God out to be a sadist worse than any criminal in history , malign his character and spread their deceitful lies makes you wonder who they really follow
@jesusLostChildren777 every time the word Hell word is used in the kjv bible and many another translations it really means Gehenna in the new testament.in the old testament it is mostly Sh'ówl שְׁאוֹל ("Sheol", "Seol") or hades what all means grave.the original text (Greek) do not use the word Hell.Many are now realizing that they have been in error translating these words as "hell"
New International Version "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."Mt 25.46....here there are two uses, of the same term, eternal....so is one eternal and the other not.....hmm.....once again a word study......
I agree with Doug on this subject, even though I used to believe the traditionalist view however after reading the bible through 4 times, the book the fire that consumes and listened to Doug I am Convinced I was wrong, so I change my view to the annihilatiolnist view point. Did you know there are litteraly tons of passages that preach annihilation. Ya tons of them, Ezekiel 28 talks about satan being reduced to ash and being destroyed, so does Malachi 4:1-3.
You have just been deceived by Doug. Hell is real and people are there now after judgment, they will be cast into the lake of fire. Read your bible again. God bless you
Eusebius Ndikum Be cautious when you tell someone there deceived cause you yourself could be deceived to Jesus says you hypocrite first pull out a staff that is in your eyes then you will clearly see the suspect it is in your brother's eye even Paul said while I preach to others I could be a cast away may God truly bless us all
spoke777 better read that bible a fifth time instead of listening to Doug ! Hell is a real fiery literal place forever poured out on sinners forever Thessalonians 1:8-9King James Version (KJV) 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Interesting that the people who believe this: "the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone" (Rev. 21:8), also preach that we are NOT under the Law.
The purpose of the law, is to show the Jews and mankind for that matter that we are unable to save ourselves by meating God's standards. We are ALL wicked rotton sinners deserving of eternal separation from Him. YET, in His mercy, He gave us a way out...hope. That hope is found in jesus alone.
Thank you Reverend for this amazing video. I have been enlightened greatly by your work here! I pray that my fellow man (and woman) will also come across this video after I share it on my Facebook page! May God the father and the lord Jesus bless your time on earth as it will be in heaven!
@Elvin Lalan Which is eternal death; never to be resurrected again. Punished for a time in the flames according to their works; and then dead eternally never to rise again.
both Revelation 14:11 and Revelation 20:10 gets its imagery from Isaiah 34:8-10... these verses in Isaiah do not convey the imagery of eternal conscious torment.
Because your Isaiah ref. applies to death inside the time continuem! Eternity does not! God is ETERNITY! UNforgiven Sin is ETERNAL, Heaven is ETERNAL, Hell is ETERNAL! WakeUp!
Gordian Not You just said it. God IS eternity. Just like God is an all consuming Fire. How can one be tormented for eternity when eternity itself has no beginning or end? It’s times less. Judgement has a beginning and an end so how can one enter and START an eternity when it has no start to begin with?
Jesus said, "Eternal hell fire" (Matt 25.41). "God is a consuming fire" IS relative to sin! Hence the human must repent, believe and receive the gospel of JesusChrist and will thus BE Justified (in spirit)> Sanctified (in walk) > AND ultimately GLORIFIED (in body) before entering the eternal presence of God! GLORIFICATION is what enables the believer to stand in the presence of God. The UNREGENERATE sinner will burn eternally in hell, "Where the worm dieth not" (Mark 9:48). [Jesus] I am sorry, but time is winding up and I must have the testimony Jesus, not of man! Shalom to you both~
@@bouquetoffood8918 "I am sorry, but time is winding up and I must have the testimony Jesus, not of man!" This is such a lazy and pretentious take. Stop acting holier than thou. Give me 1 scripture that says all souls are immortal, ill give you a hint you wont find it eternal life is only granted to true followers of Christ John 3:16 & Romans 6:23. The irony is you are the one thats following the doctrine of man and not Jesus. Eternal HeII fire came from paganism and the Catholic Church used it to scare ppl from turning away the the RCC. Jesus never used the word heII. The word HeII that Jesus used comes from the word "geennan" which was a real place in Israel. Jesus used it as an analogy to show what heII was like nowhere does it say its forever in the original Greek. I urge you to study the original Greek and look at the words used for "forever", "ever", and "eternal" the first 2 never mean literally forever in English. It means for an age and set time. Aka their punishment. Not everyone will be in heII forever. Your preachers have deceived you. I dont think they did it on purpose but they dont understand the original Greek and dont care to study it. How come it took hundreds of years after Christ and almost 1 thousand for eternal heII to be the main doctrine? Ask yourself that. The KJV was written in 1600s btw and they were already indoctrinated with the forever heII idea. In Matthew 10:28 Jesus clearly says the body and soul will be destroyed in heII. That makes it very clear what happens in heII. In regards to the worm will not die go to heIItruth com (cant spell it out bc youtube will delete the comment) then go to their QnA section they go into great detail about their worm does not die. Or you can go to rethinkingheII website and find it there. This issue of heII is very important. Jesus stood for truth and he is TRUTH. Spreading a false doctrine as dangerous as this turns many away from Christ this doctrine has done more harm than good in regards to getting people to come to Christ.
I believe there is a spiritual hell that people can go to after they die. A couple of my niece's had even visited it, having almost overdosed on drugs. My only hope is that it is not eternal. Some early fathers of the church believed it wasn't eternal, but their teachings were judged heretical.
how about Revelation 14:11 that says that those who recievied the mark of the beast were cast into the lake of fire and their torment and suffering go up age after age?
Love his teachings thanks for posting this for clarity to those who seek understanding. Faith is the beginning of our belief not the end, ask seek knock! #off to study
Eusebius Ndikum Yes and the sinners will be destroyed and forever separated from God - If they are in eternal torment where is the separation if God is doing the constant punishing?
I'm through arguing. People are going to believe what they want to believe. I've been to every church including SDA and found them all to be the same. The SDA was most down to earth and preach 95 percent of the truth but they believe in keeping all the ancient Hebrew laws including dietary laws and say you have to keep the law to keep your salvation. Plus they place too much emphasis on Ellen White their precious prophet. The other churches preach spiritualism and eternal torment which only a sadistic prick would do. Everybody says the Bible is literally true but did you know that it took centuries to decide what would go in the Bible? Christology wasn't decided until the council of Nicea in 325 CE. Pagan Constantine cast the deciding vote. I'm through with all this nonsense. None of us know if we will live again when we die but common sense dictates that no creator would torture his creation. Hell was made up like the Boogeyman to scare people.
100% true hell was made up to scare folks into staying in there church. the God of the Bible would never send anyone to roast for eternity. He is a merciful loving God who would never do that. this is all doctrines of devils man-made.
This is some scary stuff I believe that all the wicked demons are out running around right now but it will soon be over.God bless to all that live the lord.
Remo Williams You said! Hell was made up to scare folks into staying in there church. the God of the Bible would never send anyone to roast for eternity.) stop.) I don't know if it was made up scare people. I do have to asked this. Why does the bible say this? 1John chap 4) 8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.) And this?) Matthew 18:21-35) 14Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Why would God want us to do those things then turn around and do the opposite of what he tells us to do? So I have to go along with what you are saying.
Jesse! brother just read ur bible ur gonna come in here and fight with everyone because because you disagree with them? Not just you but everyone else who's putting something negative. didn't the Apostle Paul say not to quarrel over stuff like this? I'm not going to sit here and answer your question because I know what comes next you're just going to fight me on it. brother be blessed in Jesus name.
Quite interested to hear thoughts on this view here and the one from Chuck Missler "What happens when you die?" found on youtube. Both men make very solid claims and both back up their teachings with scripture. I've been a Christian nearly all my life and have to agree this is rather confusing. Despite disputes I believe what out weights any of this is knowing God and accepting Jesus's gift of life. Thanks for any input.
+Wood N Wheel Thx for the reply WnW...what Doug says has really stuck with me and just makes more 'sense' if you will...and agreeing with john3:16 the "perish" term to me would seem to lean toward the notion of a final end to any form of life. let me know if you have any more thoughts toward this. peace.
This man is a good speaker but he teaches partial truths. What does he say about Matthew 25:46, everlasting punishment isn't cessation of life in the afterlife.
Interesting, i`ve been wrestling with this notion that hell isn`t a literal place but just destruction of the wicked for a while now. The sinful and vengeful side to me wants to think that the Hitlers and Stalins of the world burn for eternity but the scripture and the loving nature of God tells me otherwise.
***** Are you sure about that? show me the scripture? without using revelation, show me where Jesus said, conclusively!, that the spirit will suffer eternal torment? To be honest, it`s not an enormous concern, but i think that the idea that a person can live a good life, work hard, raise a family, think of others etc, but never be religious, can be tortured for all eternity, the God that i know, the God of love and Mercy that set me free, would not do that. The verses in the Bible can be interpreted either way, i don`t think we are supposed to know because we already know that God is just, and our faith in Him is enough to know that what He does is right and that`s why the Bible is not clear.
***** Stop being evasive, show me conclusive scripture of Jesus saying the spirit is tortured forever in Hell fire! I`ve read the Gospels many times and know them well.
So, according to you, I like this guy because we share the common affliction of "erroneous doctrine"? I only said that I was a Catholic and that I liked this guy. And I can't completely understand your critique for the nonsensical phrase '....effect your Salvation" If you rewrite it and substitute "affect" for "effect", then the effect on me will be lucidity. Capische?
you don't understand the simple statement that you are BOTH "judaizers or legalists" that believe YOUR works of Righteousness (which are like a woman's bloody Kotex, Isa 64:6) effect your Salvation somehow. should be easy enough to understand.
VictorCrowne your pastor promise you library but he himself Teaches Lawlessness, meaning no more laws for new church only love, and rejected the laws of God. Ask your self a question, what is Lawlessness,lawless mean???Acts 21: He took a vow because, Paul was accused of teaching against God's laws, Matt 23:1-3 seat of Moses observe and do. Acts 13:14-45 jews and gentiles , Moses every Sabbath day. Acts 15:21 Gentiles will learn from seat of Moses every Sabbath, Matt4:4 man shall live by every word that process from the mouth of God. Jesus said it is the Father's doctrine not his, The Father word,The Father work, Ephesians 5:10 Find out what please the Lord. Jesus said in John 7:38-39 Believe on Him as the scriptures say,. Torah reading from the seat of Moses. Acts 17:11 daily search the scriptures, Acts 18:28 proving from scriptures that Jesus was Christ. Only the Torah was read Law, Psalms and all Prophets,, the Bible was not put together yet when Jesus are the apostles was teaching from Torah.
VictorCrowne and if you read your bible, all apostles called their writtings letters are gospels, when they talk about all scriptures are for learning, Teaching, doctrine, reproof, instructions,they meant the Torah, not their letters, Prov30:6 Do not add are subtract from the word of God are He will rebuke you and prove you a liar. Deut 4:2:do not add are subtract from My words are laws Deut 12 :32 be careful to observe it, you shall not add are take from it. Matt4:4 Luke 4:4 live by every word of God.
Why didn't god just destroy the devil a long time ago if he's going to destroy him anyway? Why leave him to destroy and deceive on earth if he really doesn't like the devil? It sounds to me like god needs someone to blamr for his wrong doings.
Thank you so much for this. I took notes of the entire sermon and will be referring all my friends and everyone I can to this. Pastor Batchelor is the rare pastors who actually seem very sincere in their labor for their Lord, may God richly bless his family!
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not PERISH, but have EVERLASTING LIFE." (John 3:16) "For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23) It's either death or eternal life. These are the only two options. It's not eternal life in heaven or eternal life in hellfire.
Flurry Heart- Kiko Jesus death don’t cover any sins you commit after you learn you are a sinner and know the truth let’s read “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,” Hebrews 10:26 KJV bible.com/1/heb.10.26.kjv
Well can you come up with a hour video proving why without contradiction to the bible and also using the orginal meanings of old words why you say that just interested.
Thank You Jesus, help me to accept you, so I don't have to suffer for my own sins. You have given us your word that we may not be lead astray and be part of the eternal death. Your word says it and thats you speaking to me today. I praise you!
absolutely amazing his teaching is amazing why are they not teaching this at church? this is beyond me! I have a better understanding about hell thank you be blessed in Jesus mighty name
You never heard if the hell scaring people into the church? Have you ever did your history of the history of the Roman Church and their erroneous doctrines?
***** From all my studying in the Bible, never once have I come across a passage of Scripture that confirms the pagan belief of eternal hell fire. From what I have studied, the wicked are *destroyed*, not kept to burn forever. To say this is a contradiction in Scripture. Come to think of it, in all of this arguments, no one has addressed those Scriptures which speak of the wicked being destroyed, not living in a state of consciousness. Eternal punishment means that the punishment is eternal: total death, where there cannot be resurrection. In Genesis 19, we are given a preview on the final fate of the wicked. Jude 7 says that they suffered the vengeance of eternal fire. But those fires are not burning now. Also, Jeremiah 17:21 also says that Jerusalem would be burned with unquenchable fire. But those fire are still not burning today (2 Chronicle 36:19). So, what does it mean? It meant that the fire was so intense, and trust me, it will be on Judgement Day, that they could never be put out. They will burn everything, without stopping, until everything is incinerated and reduced to ashes. Hell fire is not burning now. The lake of fire will burn when the New Jerusalem come downs to earth, and God will rain fire and brimestone to consume the wicked (see Revelation 20). They will be burned until they are reduced to ashes (Malachi 4:1). That is the second death, where death and the grave (hades) will be destroyed forever (Revelation 20:8, 14). The prophet Ezekiel prophesied that Satan will be burned and destroyed in the lake of fire, (Ezekiel 28:18, 19). Only then will God be able to make the earth new, when the old earth has been destroyed and everything in it (Revelation 21:1, 2). God simply cannot do this if the old earth is eternally burning with the immortal souls of the wicked and Satan. Also, death and suffering would still exist if the wicked souls still live and suffer (Revelation 21:4). God will make an end of sin. This cannot be if the dead burn without end. Only if they are completely destroyed will the universe be cleansed.
joeforHistruth What you are doing right now: you are defending your view on the Bible on a text Jesus says that, to you, confirms the everlasting nature of hell fire, and ignoring all the other Scriptures that teaches the wicked will be destroyed forever. Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. (Isaiah 28:9-11 KJV) Eternal punishment is not equivalent to eternal punishing, regardless if you want it to be so, or not. When the wicked are destroyed, their punishment is eternal. It is fixed and everlasting; one that cannot be reversed. To use this text in an effort to dismiss all the other ones I have referenced is devilish. Once put into context, the verse makes sense. If not, the doctrinal war rages on.
This is not "a biblical video," as it contradicts the holy Scriptures we came to call the Bible. The notion that "a loving God would not send anyone to hell" calls His word a lie, and attempts to render Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, or the deaths of the martyrs to spread the Gospel, pointless. It's not the flames nor the eternal pain that make hell hell - it's eternal separation from God. Therefore someone in hell, who claimed on earth that there was no God, now finds his or herself where that is now true. And that, my friends, is the worst eternal torment of hell. But in case you don't believe my preaching, believe the word of God, unless you decide the parts of the Bible with which you disagree were conveniently tampered with by man (suggesting God would let His word to us become mired and flawed), and the parts you like being from the Holy Spirit: "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." -Daniel 12:2 "It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched" -Mark 9:45 "And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire." -Revelation 20:15 Read also 2 Peter chapter 2.
This video brings up many Scriptures. Did you watch the whole thing and with an *open and considerate mind? Also, according to Revelation 20, the torment is not separation from God, but it is the torment of the lake of fire.
consumedbyfire13 Just because a video quotes Scripture doesn't mean it tells a true story. Satan quoted Scripture when he tempted Jesus. As the Spirit wrote through Peter, describing Paul's epistles, "in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures." -2 Peter 3:16. But, concerning an "open and considerate mind," when it comes to the precious and holy truth of God's word, I try to keep my mind as narrow as the narrow way preached by Jesus. I don't consider man's empty rhetoric and false philosophies. If I leave my mind open concerning God, then anyone can throw any false doctrine into it.
Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 1 Corinthians 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
ok lets look at what your comment says from the top...first..you say ..."The notion that "a loving God would not send anyone to hell".. did you not listen to what he said? He was speaking about God not sending someone to hell TO be burning forever..not that how could a loving God send anyone to hell. 2 totally different ideas. So there for you can not render what he said a lie simply because you took his point incorrectly. Now you speak about in hell and that they will be separated from God...First...anyone who is not saved by Jesus is already eternally separated from God until then. God is just merciful enough to allow us to be reconciled back to him before our death or before he comes back. Hell is hell because it is the punishment officially for sin..like a judge giving his official legal sentence of punishment. Ok ..No on to your scriptures you quoted to show that Hell is a place that those burn forever.. ""And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." -Daniel 12:2"....first off you notice...those "sleeping in the dust" those are all the dead. they awake at the 2nd coming..and those then get their reward...everlasting life or death.. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" notice its Death NOT ever lasting torment. but rather it speaks to death being eternal.... Now on to your next Text you quoted " "It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched" -Mark 9:45" ..this is speaking first about your attitude to sin..not that you will really be lame in heaven...and "the fire that shall never be quenched" is that it is ever lasting......now "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire" Jude 1:7 also says Sodom and Gomorrah were burnt with eternal fire....as you know they are not still burning today..rather what it means is the effects of this fire is everlasting that Sodom and Gomorrah will never be..as well Jeremiah 17:27 "Jerusalem was to be destroyed with unquenchable fire" and in 2 Chronicles 36:19-21 the Bible says this fire burned the city "to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah" and left it desolate. Yet we know this fire went out, because Jerusalem is not burning today. Even the final fate of Satan is explicitly pronounced in Ezekiel 28:18, where the Bible says that the enemy of souls will be reduced to ashes upon the "earth."Compare that with Psalm 37:10 ("For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be").
This is pissing me off, Stop condemning people. Forgive them and move on. It's the type of Christians who believe works get them saved that will get tested during the tribulation.
what about the rich man who was asking for a drop of wather..where was JESUS 3 days?..my engl. is not p. but the bible is clear that there is a hellfire
Hassan Chagouani thats a parable.. I'll prove it. Matthew 13 "10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." why would he randomly stop speaking in parables?
Hassan Chagouani That's a parable. A story with a lesson to teach. Taking that out of context just means you have to study it in the Spirit, not in the flesh.
Eternal punishment is eternal death, no resurrection after that. What do people fear more than death? than to exist no more? think about it, God bless.
Mr bachelor u explained you sermon as the best it could be I was raised pentecostal the truth was so comforting God bless not a lot of difference in church of God and seventh day we both keep the forth commandent the sabbath
Every time I try to watch Mr. Batchelor, I am turned off by his conceited, self-assured, attitude. I don't see humility. I see cavalier quips about very serious things. I would just say that Paul's advice of not judging another man's servant would be apropos here. True, annihilationism is probably preferable to eternal punishment, but it still misses the point of His-story in the overall narrative arch of the Word. That being: Restoration.
There are 2 Eternal Destination. Life or Death 1. Eternal LIFE 2. Eternal DEATH How (what method) or what process does one goes thru to end up with either Eternal Life or Eternal Death. For Eternal Life (Good people). Jesus will come and resurrect the dead in Christ. For Eternal Death (Bad people). Jesus could use any of these methods or a combination: hang, drop a bomb, firing squad, Earthquake, Tsunami, flood (like Noah’s time), hail, hailstone, diseases such as aids, gas, starvation, etc. Any one or a combination of these methods could wipe out (causing death) all bad people. Jesus chooses FIRE as a method. In the Bible, DEATH is the opposite of LIFE. But the MAJORITY of people/Christians who are alive today DO NOT believe the bible definition that DEATH is the opposite of LIFE. They believe that DEATH is not really DEATH, but just a DIFFERENT FORM/TYPE of LIFE. This is exactly what the snake told Eve in the Garden of Eden, “Ye (Eve/Adam/humans) shall not surely die” Gen 3:4. Therefore it should not surprise anyone that this is still the most popular definition that humans/Christians believe TODAY, about death. Most people who believe that Death is not really death but only a variation (different form or type) of life, will finally believe (one or a combination) that all bad/evil people 1. Have Eternal LIFE in HELL or burn in hell for all eternity. Contradiction Bible verses such as Rom 6:23 “... wages of SIN is DEATH; but the GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE ...” 2. All bad/evil people such as Hitler, will eventually end up in heaven. 3. There is no such notion as Eternal Death
finalewiz I don't see humility in you my friend. Give the man a break. He is just another disordered soul, being used by the Master to convey real, scripturally substantiated truth - in spite of himself. He could be fabulously rich and famous, but chose instead to "suffer affliction with the people of God, rather than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season". What a wonderful spectacle before men and angels - a brand plucked forth from the fire.!
Origen17 Only one way to take this Thessalonians 1:8-9King James Version (KJV) 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Gosh, I don't see that at all. I see only humility and a true love for God and humanity in Doug Bachelor's talks. What I see in your post, unfortunately, is nothing but hatred. And as for you, e2sguy? Listen to the video. That'll clear your confusion caused by these translation issues right up.
No one is forcing you to watch him. I totally enjoy his teaching. I was kept in the dark for many years being born in the Catholic religions. I have learned so much from him. I enjoy his soothing voice and his interpretation of the bible. If that doesn't work for you, change the channel.
SOOOO MANY Preachers preach heretical doctrine in their quest to finess and thereby grow their audiences. They are building their own little fifedoms! The FAITHFUL KNOW that redefining biblical "ETERNAL" and biblical "FOR EVER and EVER," actually redefines Heaven, HELL and God! HERESY!
the body may be burnt up but i believes that the soul will live for ever. the being of a person will not be completely annihilated but the soul will burn forever
Eli Ben God hates sin, not the sinner. How much hatred for an enemy would you have to possess for you to torture them for eternity, or for a teenager giving in to their God given urges? There are many doctrines of demons, and an eternal hell is on top of their list.
***** God bless u my friend. But if I'm wrong or I should say the Bible is wrong then I have nothing to loose but if the sinner believes what u believe and lives like he wants to because he will just be annihilated then he has eternal hell to pay. It saddens me how proud mankind can be to convulte God's word.
Acts 20:7 KJV -And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
A lot has changed in the week since I posted. I have read "Jesus, Interrupted" by biblical scholar Bart Ehrman, which proves that the bible is not inerrant, but a human book with human errors (some of them intentional). Revelation in particular was admitted to have sections written in the 7th century. Looking back on my life I see religion (especially end-time fascination) as a psychological coping mechanism that I am now no longer psychologically weak enough to need. TAKE ACTION and LIVE!
I just love the way you eternal torture believers think you can just say "eternal torment is real" and think that's supposed to mean something to anyone. However, it probably does represent why you believe like you do. You think someone tells you that? Then it must be true. You do no real research or think anything through for yourself. Again, that's why you support a doctrine of demons.
*pete walsh:* And that post was directed at whom? You know for sure what translation was mistranslated? You know this by-way-of personalized deep study and extensive research? Our translations all say the same thing, pete. They may say it differently in places, but they say the same thing. Because you yourself are fully versed in ancient Greek and Hebrew you know all translations but one, apparently, were mistranslated? Have you read all these translations side-by-side? The issues that have led to believing the Bible teaches eternal torment have far more to do with religious leaders brainwashing people into believing the Bible says things it just doesn't say. What's more, people are taught by these same leaders that if they question what they've been taught, they'll end up in that terrible place. lol.
Nice smile, nice suite, bad theology! Hell is a place of Memory and Remorse. The Bible is very clear on this. So who is doing the "remembering" and who is "weeping" over a life of Sin? ...All THOSE (souls) who rejected God in this Life. Keep it simple folks. "And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever". Revelation 14
+Lance Marchetti Ezekiel 28: 17-19 Satan is brought to ashes and "will be no more forever". Got news for you brother - if Satan ain't going to burn in fury and torture forever, certainly someone with 70 lousy years of sin isn't. Your "simplicity" is not in conjunction with the Scriptures whatsoever (no matter how much eternal torture appeals to you for those you presumably don't particularly care for). Jude speaks about the eternal smoke going burning from Sodom and Gomorrah in Jude 7 speaks of its "suffering the vengeance of eternal fire". Just think (and I do mean "think" here - forget what your Babylonian pastor bellows : If those two cities REALLY were in "eternal fire" then it would be the dad-blamed biggest tourist attraction in the world. So obviously this is an idiom, much like Jonah 2:6 where he proclaims that he was in the belly of the whale "forever". So take a deep breath and relax Lance. Wheeewwwww... When it states in Revelation 20:14 states unequivocally that for those thrown in the lake of fire that "this is the second death". It means it. God is not the monster here - Satan "the father of lies" is. So kindly quit worshipping him and join the ranks of sane Bible believers who recognize the justice AND mercy of God in His quest to give EVERYONE eternal life, and simply eliminating those who staunchly refuse it, preferring to follow Satan in his quest of murder, mayhem and divine character assassination. If you can't appreciate the myriad of Bible verses that state that the wicked are "destroyed", "brought to nothing", "shall be no more" than I would highly recommend that you pray as you've never prayed before to have the heavenly Father reveal His character of love and justice to you. Representing Him as a torturing sadist is one of the biggest character assaults in the universe. Once again Lance - God does not torture someone who "rejected God in this life" forever. When an ex-lover does that they are locked away. It is UNACCEPTABLE behavior for humans and certainly the heavenly Father does not have double standards, nor is he an insane maniac. But, and now pay attention - Satan most certainly is. Don't buy his idiotic lies anymore Lance. It is publicly embarrassing.
The idea that sinners burn forever is based upon the idea that man has in a immortal soul, Where is that taught in the Bible and if it's not in there where did the idea originate
Very interesting view. Although this remain highly debatable among Christians but this point is very substantial. Im not an adventist but I love this particular topic an the explanation provided. Blessed be the Name of our Lord
Well Bud, in order for your argument to work, you need to ignore chapters like 2 Peter where he talks about Sodom and Gomorrah being an example of what happens to the wicked. Is that city still burning? No, however the destruction is still there today, because it lasted forever. Irreversible, That's a fact, got nothing to do with my own theology, praise the creator
Dan Miller God loves us but make no mistake about it. God does not need us. He is the Alpha and the Omega,the beggining and the end,the first and the last,the wonderful counselour,Almighty God,Prince of peace,He spoke the universe into exestince,He knows all the stars by name. He has need of no one and no thing. God loves us but He does not need us. We need Him...
If no one is burning yet, but reserved to the last days. How do explain the story of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man was already in a fire of torment.
The rapture is not a secret. It's in the bible in several places. Rapturo / Harpazo means to be caught up, seized away, snatched up, etc. The Jesuits, really worship Isis - Horus - Set / IHS. Denial of a pre-trib rapture is from the Devil. God is not a liar. Why would He tell us we have the blessed hope. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, and then put His children into the tribulation for punishment? When a child disobeys his/her parent, that parent doesn't punish the brother or sister who didn't disobey. He punishes the child who disobeyed. He takes the child/children away when the other child/ children that are being punished. At the rapture, the dead in Christ will rise first, then we who are alive and remain will be caughtup together to meet the Lord in the clouds in the air... 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 At the 2nd coming, Jesus will land on the Mount of Olives. These are 2 separate events.
also, this pastor is implying that to die means to cease to exist. that is not true. death is an eternal state, not a one time event, just as life is an eternal state and not a one time event.
Are you saying that in my 14 years of bible study the holy spirit ("the helper, the bringer of truth who will guide you in all things") made a mistake when he helped me understand what I read in the bible? I'm confused. What is my inaccuracy? I genuinely would like to know what it is.
If no one is in hell yet then why does Revelations 20:13 say on the day of judgement that the sea gives up its dead and death and HELL delivered up its dead which WERE in them and they were judged, every man according to their works. False teaching.
I’ve just finished a thorough treatise on this subject, which covers everything from Church history to the logical arguments, and of course the key Scriptures. It’s about a thirty-minute read, and is available for anyone. If you’re interested, please let me know and I’d be happy to share it. God bless, brothers and sisters!
People have a problem with burning in hell eternally for just a lifetime of sin, but no one has a problem with being in heaven eternally for just a lifetime of being faithful to God
Isn't being consumed bad enough & a sure remedy? God isn't a sadist. I believe He just gets rid of them out of His creation. It's logical & reasonable to believe He simply allows them to be consumed.
That is why there is a pre-trib rapture. Noah and his family were saved, taken out of the way, from God's wrath. Likewise, Lot was also saved, taken out of the way, from God's wrath upon Sodom and Gomorrah. We who are saved, are not appointed to God's wrath.
@@danmiller6462 Sara is 100% correct. Not just a parable! I just dont know why so many professing Christians want HELL to be temporary. IF eternal HELL is only for ages (eons) then so is eternal Heaven only for ages (eons). WakeUp! Too many pop preachers are so invested in FINESSing the masses, that they don't even realize they are preaching heresy!
Jesus used Gehenna as a symbol of everlasting destruction. Mathew 23:33 Mark ; 9:47-48 The word “Gehenna” literally means “ Valley of Hinnom “referring to a valley just outside Jerusalem . In bible times the city residents used this valley as a garbage dump. They kept a fire constantly burning their to destroy refuse; maggots consumed a thing that the fire did not reach.
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I feel in my heart that we do sleep in the Graves until judgment day and people will be consumed, burnt up in hell fire but 1. Jesus parable with the rich guy and Lazarus, says of Hades as being a conscious place of either torment or Abraham's side. 2. When Jesus said to the thief on the cross 'truly I say to you today you will be with me in paradise', 3. When Jesus said he would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days before resurrection and 4 the orthodox church believes Hades is a place of torment and they are the 1rst church who have not changed even till today the teachings of the first disciples as they received it.. Even the original language as they were written.. I'm confused and continually tormented mentally with this..
Yes Doug you have been exposed wearing 🐑 clothing but under it is a 🐺. (You go along with a false prophet Ellen G White and Jesus Christ (Yeshua) is not a 👼 angel matter fact Doug God tells us to never worship angels KJV . God bless all ❤️ 🤗
@Jake Smith You are so right and God bless you ❤️
@@sandyscuba6101 well when you die you will Not sleep in No grave. You will either go to heaven or you will die and go to Hell there's No gray period because that's Not possible for anyone to die and just go to the grave yard and thinking that your soul will just stay in your body while you are still in the grave yard because you wouldn't be dead if that happened because you will still be alive and you will still be feeling pain and you will Not be unconscious
@@caseyoliver4718 yeah I know this now for sure.. Everything I mentioned above plus the spiritual realm is real and we are body and spirit.. And Satanists can astral project so the spirit does depart the dead body.. I know most my loved ones are in heaven now.. ❤️ God bless you
Amazes me how many people comment on this subject and yet CLEARLY did NOT watch the entire thing....you can tell by their comments.
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I have struggled with the concept of "hell", as it was being taught to me, for 35 years! I have had many discussions with God about this subject. Through the years I have rebelled and turned from God a few times, specifically because of what I had been taught about "hell". I could not reconcile the God of Scripture with "eternal conscious torment". For more than a decade now, I have been helping to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give shelter to the homeless and clean water to the thirsty, but I've always stayed away from "evangelism". I had such a hard time presenting a message that I felt had such a foundational issue, the concept of eternal torment. I have now researched (and am still researching) conditional immortality and believe that it is the truth as revealed through Scripture. It is the most consistent and reconcilable message. I now am making plans to begin my journey of evangelism and its become very clear to me what my main hesitations were until now.... before I felt as though I would be preaching a message of "fear" and now I know that I will be preaching a message of "Love" and God is Love!
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Blessings to All
Are you saying you don’t believe in eternal conscious torment?
I 100% concur with you. I have been a Christian for almost 40 years and am pastoring a small church. I am like you - I evangelized heaps and I struggled with ECT and now I am studying CI. Once I was street preaching about 20 yrs ago and it was probably an SDA person who literally accosted me about hell and the injustice of God burning someone for eternity. I was so impacted that I re-studied 'aionios' meaning, etc etc but I still erred on the side of ECT as I felt there was more weight of scripture in that argument then, however, now I am conceding to CI as the case is looking pretty rock solid to be honest. It's actually a no-brainer when you read all the verses associated. I am older now and way more deft at interpreting scripture and this is one more 'watershed' moment for me in my pursuit of true doctrine. I have been here before and I know when one side of the argument is on real slippery slope and the other is giving me so much more traction. Wow! God bless you too my brother for all you do. I should have gone by my instincts way earlier than this and re-looked at this more properly. So many doctrines are more based on tradition than scripture. I love the word of God and God is so gracious but many doctrines have been perverted that have impugned his grace, mercy, love and justice that it is no wonder many are disillusioned by what many churches erroneously teach. This doctrine impacts so many other truths of scripture. It's going to take a long time to change things but I know it will be worth it.
Doug has presented a revelation with so many Biblical, historical and scientifically researched proof. He is not saying that there is no hell for tormenting sinners. He is simply saying that the JUST God will subject sinners to various degrees and length of torment before they ultimately "PERISH", "consume away" , "die" etc accoding to his word and nature. The only issue that cedibly counter this view is the reference to torment "for ever and ever" as in Rev 9:10 - KJV. But the issue of mistranlation of this term settles it. If we believe that the Greek word that was translated to "ever and ever" actually means an indefinite period then let us accept that we have been misleading the whole world ignorantly and call a spade a spade. Good people will still worship God for the love of God and the benefits of eternal life with the Lord of Lord, not for the fear of eternal torment.
Praise God...Coming to the conclusion that hell isn't a place of eternal torment for any and every sinner no matter what the sin, didn't make me want to say YAY that means I can sin and not worry about hell..It makes me want to serve God even more tor His TRUE character and His REAL LOVE...The other view of eternal torment is insane on so many levels. worshiping God out of fear is a false worship..our GOD is not false..So He would never want someone to worship Him for any other reason than Love for Him as a wonderful merciful compassionate GOD rather than one that if you don't worship Him he will burn you FOREVER... I am praying more people come to understand that this eternal torment for one sin is a LIE FROM SATAN...
pablo picasso God does not send us to hell for one sin. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. But when a person continues in sin then there is a problem. 1 John 3:8 says, "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil."
So if the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil, why should we continue to sin?
From a man, who was granted "A second-chance" of LIFE by our LORD--->Jesus "The Christ" . . . and COMMANDED by our LORD: "NOT TO JUDGE"!! (This was directed at me!!), I was in a 3-day coma. After 5-days (when I recongized people??)
I was TOLD by my loved-ones: "You were in a coma for 3-days . . . I told them, "Baloney" !! (or something like that???) I "assumed" that knew what a 3-day period of time was!!!! I was WRONG!! In the "Spiritual realm" their is no TIME as we know it!! To prove it, When I was in HEAVEN . . . I didn't see any clocks or anybody wearing watches! But then again, there ALWAYS . . . one! PRAISE BE TO OUR FATHER, SON (SAVIOR-JESUS), AND TO THE HOLY SPIRIT. (TRUE STORY)
Chris Chukwu
False teaching , plain and simple
Thessalonians 1:8-9King James Version (KJV)
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
thats not what everlasting means in greek in greek it means until consumed or destroyed
Can someone answer this... If people are burning in Hell right now, then what is the point of judgement day???? Judgement day is pointless if people are in heaven and hell currently.
This is biblically correct! How many times did I encounter atheists who turned their backs on God, just because of this demonic doctrine of eternal hellfire. It is almost impossible to convince a rational thinking person, that God is love, when there is this evil concept, that an all loving and merciful God will punish unbelievers for all eternity in his torture chamber called hell.
Thank you pastor Doug for this liberating message. As Christians we must uphold Gods character with Bible truth!
I am also sick of modern day pharisees slandering God's Character and potency! Yet I used to believe and preach the same shit!
Gods character is important regardless of what extreme people believe because it’s Satan who is the Sadist and deserve torture
@ptsd1696 obviously I don't believe that anymore
@ptsd1696 currently reading 'Grace Saves All ' by David Artman.
This man is a LIAR
This is an outstanding explanation of how people needn’t think badly of Jehovah God. When I finally read the Bible for myself and realized these same truths, I was finally able to give up my dread of God, and my thinking that He was just waiting for me to screw up and be sent to everlasting torment, which always seemed unjust.
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It's about time someone addressed this problem. People ignore a hundred verses that say "destruction", "perish", "no more" and the like, in favor of one of or two that say "eternal torment".
An even better question to ask "mainstream" Christians: "Why do you want hell to be real?"
Revelation says The Satan, the false prophet and all unsaved people will be cast alive into the lake of fire which is the the second death. No rest day or night . Their worm dieth not . The smoke of their TORMENT ascends forever AND ever . ( You have to be conscious to feel pain). Revelation supercedes because it's the final event.
Many Christians do not know what they read aproducts of tradition and the church and that's a fact the Bible doesn't speak about people being tormented forever yes it does speak about torment but it doesn't say that they will be burned eternally to understand eternal fire go to the Old testament we are given an example of eternal fire Sodom and Gommorrah, you don't take one verse in Revelations and build doctrine from it when it clearly contradicts the rest of the Bible when it comes to the subject of the lost and their punishment see that's the problem with most Christians, Satan has been blindfolded and deceived MANY "thou shalt not surely die" products of tradition don't want to hear the truth that's why they make their way to videos like this and comment, no no you're wrong but yet in spite of that you can show them hundreds of scriptures which tell you that the Lost don't have eternal life and they are burned up consumed will be no more but they're so deceived and blindfolded there's no persuading them , some will come to know the truth and have,but others will remain stubborn and ignorant
@@janetdavidson8798 If your interpretation requires you to have one part of scripture superseding another, then you're doing it wrong.
I really want to believe this. I hope it's true. I myself for about 2 months have been having on and off depression stages thinking about hell and it's been making me upset with God. My dad has dementia and is 69. I think what if he goes to hell. If I could believe in annihilation it would be so comforting and make me happy. Pray for me
My friend be at peace. Hell does not exist and no one will be annihilated. If Christ fails to save one person or devil then he himself is a liar and sinner. The Messiah is no liar or sinner. He is the Savior of the World. The Torah could not be changed. Every Holy prophet declared the universal reconciliation of ALL things.
Eternal conscious torment in hell is completely unbiblical. Scripture is very clear on this matter. The “traditional” view of hell came late in Christianity, based upon Gentile converts incorporating Greek Platonic thoughts about the immortality of the soul, which is completely foreign and thoroughly refuted throughout Scripture. The word “hell” as traditionally defined appears nowhere in Scripture. Of the four words translated as “hell,” two refer only to the grave, another is an actual place Jesus used when speaking to Jews in Jerusalem who knew it, and the only other is never used related to the fate of the unsaved. Neither Paul nor any other epistle author ever once warns nor mentions of hell to anyone at any time. In Acts, no one is ever warned that rejecting the Gospel would lead to eternal conscious torment. It is never mentioned once to anyone at any time, which is inexplicable is the “traditional” view is accurate. “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23). What does John 3:16 state that the option are? Everlasting life, or perish. How perish can be defined as to not perish, but maintain an everlasting but tormented existence. Jesus paid the price for sin by dying, and in rising again became the first fruits of the promised inheritance, eternal life.
Oh really you don't think that exists 🤔 well and you said that there's No Hell. Well guess what there is rather you believe it or Not and you call yourself a Christian so I'm assuming that you believe in God and the Lord Jesus Christ but you don't believe in Hell. That doesn't make No sense for one thing and what do you think the reason why that the Lord Jesus Christ went to that cross to save us from boy you are a imbecile and you ain't No Christian at all No Not at all because you said you don't believe in Hell well I hate to tell you this but there is and you are still going there if you don't change
@@TheBenevolentDictatorship well unfortunately there is a Hell and the Bible does say that and Jesus talks about that many times you just want to ease your conscience and make yourself feel comfortable in your own understanding and in your own beliefs BUT THERE IS A HELL AND ITS REAL AND YOU WOULD BE STUPID NOT TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO HELL.
@@caseyoliver4718
Eternal conscious torment is a lie from Satan. The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. Scripture is clear that the lost will be completely and ultimately destroyed. Eternal Hell is a Roman Catholic invention because they incorporated the pagan immortality of the soul doctrine and so needed a place to put immortal souls. But Scripture is clear that God alone has immortality and that it is a gift for those in Christ, not something which we already possess. Fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in Hell. When Adam and Eve sinned, what was the consequence of their sin? Eternal Hell? No, they literally died instead of living forever with God. The tree of life was guarded specifically so that they would NOT become immortal. Neither Paul nor any other apostles ever once mentions nor warns of eternal conscious torment to anyone at any time. In Acts, many have the Gospel shared and yet no one at any time is ever warned of eternal conscious torment. John 3:16 clearly shows the choices are everlastingly life in Christ, or death in sin, not everlasting life in Heaven or Hell. Over 100 Scriptures speak of the final destruction of the wicked and unrepentant-shall be no more forever; as if they never were; be as ash, as stubble, vanish, perish, be consumed; be as wax before the flame; consume away; be destroyed; suffer the punishment of everlasting *destruction* The road is narrow and the way hard which leads to life, and few find it; the road is wide and the way easy, and many are who find it, the path which leads to destruction, etc. It was Satan who told the original lie: “You shall surely not die…” and here you are believing Satan over God who said “The soul that sins shall die.” The idea of eternal conscious torment in Hell was foreign to Jews of the 1st century, and it was completely foreign to Jesus. The word “Hell,” as traditionally defined appears not even once in all of Scripture. The words translated as “Hell” “Sheol,” and “Hades” are merely the grave. “Gehenna” is used by Jesus only when speaking to Jews in or around Jerusalem because it was an actual place where garbage was burned, including dead bodies. “Where their worm does not die and their fire is not quenched…” is in quotes because Jesus is quoting Isaiah, a picture of total destruction, not conscious torment. The only other word translated as “Hell” is “Tartarus,” which os only used twice and never in reference to the judgement. You can choose to believe the traditions of men and the original lie of the serpent, but I’ll choose to believe what the Scriptures teach clearly.
Excellent study. I needed the confirmation that God is not a sadist, but my understanding of the scriptures quoted, were taking over and added to my confusion. Yet, an overwhelming belief that God is Love prevented me to belief those scriptures. Consequently I was tortured between accusing God or disbelieving His word. Now I am relieved and found peace within myself. The moment I heard that the parable of Lazarus will be addressed in another sermon, I searched it on TH-cam and found many which I will no doubt watch, as this parable was the only obstacle which could have dismissed these wonderful and so enlightening explanations. But I am sure that a good answer and study of the parable will help me to once for all close this fear of hell and the trauma I went through thinking about the suffering of even the wicked. I panicked as I imagined them pleading, but God would not hear, would actually enjoy almost his revenge on them forever and forever. THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL VIDEO.
Malachi 4:1-3
The Great Day of the Lord
4:1 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. 3 And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.
+heidi Rehm
Heidi, how dare you show the subscribers, preachers and teachers of eternal burning in hell fire the truth in the word of God by the mouth of his prophets concerning the punishment of the wicked? Do you not see that it reveals the doctrinal errors and exposes the heresies of those which support the unbiblical, pagan versions of eternal burning in hellfire?
Well done Heidi! ;-)
the Lake of Fire is an ETERNAL punishment (Matthew 25:41,46, Rev 14:9-11
#166 = everlasting, eternal, never ending, perpetual....) because it is for people that have rejected the Gift of ETERNAL GOD. so think about this:
"Jesus" was once part of Elohim (Creators, plural, Gen 1:26, Col 1:15-17).
"Jesus" made the ultimate "Agape Love" sacrifice and EMPTIED himself of his eternal, almighty, glorious GODhood and was made/created a Man (Phil 2:6-7), so that he could be the Kinsman Redeemer for Mankind by being perfectly obedient as a Man (Romans 5:15-21). Jesus was zero % GOD at his birth.
so what should be the punishment of someone that has rejected this Gift of GOD giving up his ETERNAL Godhood so that we could be spiritually RE-connected back to GOD who is Spirit? thats right, ETERNAL punishment.
joeforHistruth actually.. your doctrine didn't really become popular until only like 1700 years ago.. it was not the original teaching
bible figures spoke of the wages of sin being Death and Destruction many times..
it should be "said no mainstream pastor since the 3rd century"
@@victorcrowne8257 you need to go to the Greek and Hebrew. Eternal torment would mean even the wicked has eternal life.
If this is true then why does Jesus say, “Then the King will turn to those on his left and say, “Depart from me ye cursed ones, into the ETERNAL fire prepared for the devil and his demons” Do not lesson the gravity of Christ warnings to appease the itching ears of listeners. Hell is real. Jesus sacrifice was to atone for sinners that when God saw the blood, He will not send humanity to hell. God’s righteous anger was satisfied. Beware.
I'm not a SDA but I agree with the position put forth in this video. I used to believe in ECT (eternal conscious torment) but it's simply not what the scriptures teach. Humans do not inherently have an "immortal soul" that is "gonna spend somewhere forever" like I used to teach and like traditionalists teach. The Bible nowhere teaches you have an "immortal soul". There is not one single verse in the Hebrew, Greek, or the English translations of the the words for soul that says the "soul" is immortal. Look them up for yourself. In the KJV, the words Nephesh and Psuche are translated about 44 different ways, totaling 859 words and that includes the word soul of course. Look them up in a concordance like Strongs and find one single time that it says that the soul is immortal. I challenge you. The only people who get immortality receive it as a gift form God at the resurrection (See 1 Cor. 15) and that is not "just their body". The rest (the unsaved) are destroyed. Look up the all the verses for yourself and get off youtube just spouting traditionalist, scripture-twisting pagan heresies like inherent immortality of humans. The Bible has a way of revealing truth...if you want truth. Be a Berean and study for yourselves from the BIBLE.
meant to type "NOT" one single time in line 9 above. Meant to type NOT one single time is the Hebrew or Greek words say the soul is immortal.
"G. T. M". But, I have a "PROBLEM" understanding what you, PRINT or What you MEAN to PRINT! I have a A.B.I. ??----> (ACQUIRED BRAIN INJURY) from a near fatal accident. I was given by OUR LORD, Jesus the Christ", a second chance at life! So I became "A Berean" in Spirit. I have read the WORD, from cover to cover, MANY TIMES!!!!!!!!!!! But it does not take a "CHILD" to understand the MEANINGS of GOD'S WORDS; it TAKES the FAITH of a "CHILD"!
2Tim. 1:10: "but it has now been revealed thru the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel".
Ro. 2:7: "To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life".
iCor. 15:53-54: "For the perishable, must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. (54) "when the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality . . ."
The PROBLEM, I believe (??) is YOUR "Mental State of THINKING"! The WORDS can have two meanings! But the HOLY SPIRIT DEFINES THE "TRUE MEANINGS"---JUST ASK!
Ecclesiastes 3:11 "for God has set eternity in the heart of man".
Not true. READ the word. It’s there. Hell is real and eternal
...the beast and the false prophet are there, and the smoke of their torment acsendeth FOREVER....
I recommend any one feeling confused about "Hell" watch this. Could prove very liberating.
and ultimately deceptive catered for cowards
@@vincec3773 are you sure you haven't been deceived by a lie invented by the clergy in the dark ages to make more revenue...?
@@kirkjohnson2924 Which stuns me why people would accuse Adventists a cult. Isn't a cult a group that intentionally deceives other into joining? Interesting how churches preach that if you don't accept the word of God, you will end up suffering eternally. Funny how that works
Sure could, to ALL who are ordained to the condemnation of HELL!
2 Peter 2:4-6
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ASHES he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
For one hell is a mistranslation their it's using the Greek word tartarus and it's simply a prision.
Seems to make sense chain's being bound in a prision because they are imprisoned.
Also think for abit fire creats light and it says their in darkness right ?
Furthermore the new testament may use word's from Greek mythology but these word's have usages outside of Greek mythology.
In short just because the Greek new testament has word's from Greek mythology doesn't mean the new testament uses the same meaning.
Pastor Doug is a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor. They teach Exactly what the Bible says. But so many trusts their pastors willing to lose their salvation . Instead of checking the whole bible for the truth. Seventh Day Pastors teach to read the bible for yourselves. That they are only human. If you love God read His word.
+Peter Rappit
And this is coming from you who are either an expert as a cult follower or a cult leader.
I notice that you post no evidence for your claims on things that you comment on, then post an emoticon like it's alright.
Mikkel Lowe so the cult requirements for rappit's denomination is: Disagree with the eternal punishment in hell/doom and gloom doctrine, or any other doctrine straight outta the pages of the book of the Nicolaitans.
Robt Clayton
"Adventist preach that every time there's a house fire and a gold fish burns up in a fish tank, the gold fish is thrown in into EVERLASTING FIRE Because tbe good fish were annihilated , ADVENTISTS ARE SO ENLIGHTENED!!"
My church preaches no such thing. We don't believe death is the end, so your argument falls apart there.
We believe that when Jesus comes the third time to earth with New Jerusalem to make the world anew, the dead would be raised up in the resurrection of damnation (John 5:28; Revelation 20). There, the devil and the wicked will be punished with eternal death, as stated in Romans 6:23. This whole explanation concerning to "exist" in eternal punishment is erroneous and against what the Bible plainly teaches.
+Robt Clayton No, the gold isn't. We do not preah this.
Im not a SDA but I believe he is telling the truth. I am a Christian and God's love for us, shown through His son; Jesus ..says He loves mankind too much to put him in a torture chamber for all eternity.....'there will be no more pain... No more sorrow..anywhere!. God loves sinners.... 'all have sinned' what a wonderful God we serve.. what a wonderful Creator. What a wonderful Savior. We will all rest assure our loved ones are not suffering...... this indeed Biblical. To believe all are eventually in Heaven is not. There is a judgement.
quote from the scriptures for added credibility
No, you go look
Tramon, the wages of sin are death...
@@petewalsh764 yes this born experience die I've been in heaven long ago i got a vague memory back of it this life
@@TramonWalker And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28 (KJV)
good teaching on Conditional Immortality.
people, you gotta keep in mind that in order for one to be eternally tormented for all eternity, you have to have one of three things happen:
1.) the soul of every human is naturally or inherently immortal (which contradicts 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Romans 2:7, Ephesians 2:8)
2.) the wicked receive the the gift of eternal life (which contradicts Romans 6:23, Ephesians 2:8, 1 John 5:12, John 3:16)
3.) the lake of fire both burns and heals the wicked (which no scripture of any kind in the entire Bible can be found to support anything like this)
the wicked do not receive the gift of God, which is eternal life... the only way one receives immortality is through Jesus Christ. if you dont have the Son, you dont have life (1 John 5:12).
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
it says the wages of sin is death... it never says, and nowhere in all of scripture does it ever say the wages of sin is eternal life in the lake of fire.
it doesnt get any more simpler than that.
Daniel 12:2-And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
I hope you realise a proper and literal translation of the bible does not have everlasting or eternal punishment.
But by your comment you don't.
The bible both in the old and new testament deals with age/eon lasting punishment and to the Greek and Hebrew people at the time was a period of time.
It could be long or short.
This doesn't mean their is no eternal life according to the bible but that comes after Eonian life and Eonian chastisment.
To know what I'm talking about get the concordant literal translation new testament.
According to it God is also a part of the eons as well and the eons does not limit God.
Fyi I use to study in this stuff .
While it's true I no longer believe in God i know what I'm talking about.
This reminds me when I gave my life to Christ, I had no idea about these Bible truths. Then I came across pastor Doug Batchelor, & I believe with all my heart the Lord lead me to him, & hearing the truth on hell for the 1st time made me love Jesus so much more, knowing He doesnt burn ppl for ever & ever (which btw kept me away from wanting anything to do with God, b/c I would think, what kind of god burns ppl for ever!) ty pastor Batchelor for leading me to Gods true church, the SDA movement.
What anyone thinks about the doctrine of Hell is completely irrelevant- opinion is not a factor. The Bible is the final authority, the word of God, and it describes Hell very clearly. Hell is a real place of fire and brimstone, it is an everlasting place of weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, smoke, darkness and torment. Jesus was not a liar, the book says what it says..
Matthew 25:41 KJV
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
kcuf7 - amen. Very true and very sad reality of today.
Lots of preachers try to air condition hell these days- it’s because thats where they are going.
kcuf7 exactly. Completely agree
kcuf7 very true, we just need to keep fighting the good fight!
2 Timothy 2:4 KJV
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
Yeah, because I would definitely want to serve a God that sends me to eternal suffering because I chose to act on the very idea He created of free will. In fact, I cant believe you would want to serve a God like that. Fortunately for me, I serve a God that is merciful and died for my sins, not a God that would cast me to a ungodly place
@kcuf7
No one who does not love the TRUTH will believe God/his word/Word.
I am so sick of these preachers that act all wise and twist the word of God. The truth is hidden from the wise and revealed to the meek and humble.
Twisting the word of God or revealing the truth and what you're not used to
Which part did he twist? He references every Bible verse he talks on, in context. Time to get in your Bible.
Also, please look up scholar David In stone Brewer. He proves that the Greek words translated as eternal punisment/torment back in jesus day was connected to the qaumron idea of punishment followed by extinction, not eternal torment. This is what his audience would of understood.
I for one cannot accept this - that a God of unconditional love would be so cruel as to create hell to punish his own creation FOREVER and ever. Any human who tortures other humans would be labelled 'inhuman'.
+Allan Tan should I assume this means you are commenting without first having listened to Doug Batchelor has to say?
+Allan Tan even the worst human will be received as long as they *truly* have a change of heart and mind and actually do the work. the work is: REPENT! CONFESS! SEEK CHRIST!
if even a murderer does that they will be saved.
say somebody steals your car (your actual motor vehicle, not your body) and it caused you all sorts of problems. if you do not forgive, you're the one who is wrong. the thief would be better than you if that thief did right in their heart and mind (turn from sin, repent, confess, and seek christ).
in the simplest language, you can do any sin to anyone. it's permissible, so long as you do the work. but there's a time limit. there's a time when it's too late to do the work, too late to repent. that person will be condemned and will die in their sin.
when a victim wants justice the only response from god will be: forgive.
it's rather sick when you apply it to the real world and the day to day life.
+Elijah Wood He is just a man taking abt his beliefs.
+mindnumber9 we will arguing forever.
ALL people are "just a man talking about their beliefs" but you can't criticise what someone has to say without first listening to what they ARE saying
If you haven't been indoctrinated already..Use logic which God gave you but most ignore..Doug knows his stuff & he is correct.
Yes he does
amen,blessings brother Doug.Thank you for taking the time to explain these very important questions,the world need to hear this,hell is real.
Matthew 25:41 - Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
So what does everlasting mean?
+Bill Wiebe
What does “Everlasting” of Matthew 25 mean?
NOVEMBER 17, 2009
tags: everlasting, fire, Hell, punishment
In continuation with my study on Hell, another popular proof text I get often from proponents is Matt 25:41-46:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”Now most of you will say, AHA! Undeniable proof that there are people burning in hell right now because it’s everlasting. It appears so, but if you dig a little deeper, the true meaning will surface, as the Bible always interprets itself.There are 2 ways to look at everlasting:Everlasting = something continual and on-going, similar phrases include eternal, forever and everEverlasting = the effects are permanent, or ‘ever-lasting’, lasting forever/eternalTo find out, we have to look at the context and other examples in the Bible of something everlasting.We have to look no further than Jude 5-7 (NIV):5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[c] delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home-these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.Aha! See the bad guys were punished with eternal fire. Or were they? Lets look closer at Jude 7.In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.The Bible says Sodom and Gomorrah serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. (NKJV says “suffering the vengeance of eternal fire”). Now the question is, if they’re an example, Is Sodom and Gomorrah burning right now? Last time I checked, Sodom & Gomorrah were never rebuilt and there is no fire over there. Then what happened? The Bible says the city was turned to ash.Lets look at 2 Peter 2:6.4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;(Note: I can expand further on this passage, but that is beyond the intended scope of this article and we can examine this passage later)
The verse confirms what Jude says about the topic, S&G were made examples, it was turned to ash. How does a city get turned to ash, by fire of course:Genesis 19:24-2824 Then the LORD rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the LORD out of the heavens. 25 So He overthrew those cities, all the plain, all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground.
26 But his wife looked back behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.
27 And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the LORD. 28 Then he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain; and he saw, and behold, the smoke of the land which went up like the smoke of a furnace.So we can see, Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by fire and brimstone. But Matthew says it waseverlasting fire. Yes, was Sodom and Gomorrah ever rebuilt? No. Were the effects everlasting? Yes. And there you have it, in this context, everlasting refers to the effects of something, in this case, fire and punishment.So what is the hell the Bible talks about. In short, at the end of days, when God establishes a new Jerusalem here on earth (Rev 20), and the lost (including the devil and fallen angels) will rise against God, God will send down his final, eternal punishment of death, in the form of fire and brimstone, and it will consume the lost forever (2nd death). Why? The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life… (Rom 6:23), not eternal torment. That is just plain cruel.Sorry to burst the bubble of those who relish in the fact that your enemies are suffering in hell right now, the Bible clearly shows that there is no hell of that sort.
+Bill Wiebe
emmilglenn.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/what-does-everlasting-of-matthew-25-mean/
This link explains what everlasting means...
According to this heretical teaching, it means heaven is temporary and God is the same yesterday, today, and for eons/ages.
Doctrines of Demons!
Hell fire is a symbolic meaning of torment which is brought about by the law of sowing and reaping , Hell starts from this earth it is used by Jesus to describe in a spiritual figurative sense but people who claim to be Christians are busy misinterpreting the parables of Jesus for purposes that suit them a man drowning is suffering hell
Thank you for spreading this. Eternal torment is a lie of Satan and many evangelical churches
Yeah, it would seem that ALL the evangelicals will leave their congregations and flock to SDA, specifically to DougBachelor, BUT just as many might just decide to stop flockin at all since ETERNAL HELL parallels ETERNAL HEAVEN.
IF WE allow a preacher to redefine HELL as temporary, we default that HEAVEN to is TEMPORARY!
HERESY!
Wake Up people!
Sure is and they're just perpetuating the LIE of the devil and saying that you don't surely die that you have this immortal soul which continues on to live
I think this pastor has interpreted the Bible so well and delivered the truth contained therein. He has mixed the teaching with reality and the nature of our LOVING GOD. I wish many more people gets this teaching.
The concept of people burning in hell right now, people going to hell or heaven immediately and burning indefinitely for ages without losing senses is taught in over 95% of Christian churches. The whole confusion comes from the interpretation of the scriptures on " Rich man and Lazarus, plus "Jesus promise to the repentant thief" plus other teachings whose source you cannot exactly authenticate.
I wish many more pastors like this one come up and hold programmes like this to air this truth.
The truth of matter is, many people backslide and go back to sinful ways when the nature of God is misrepresented to be sadistic. Reason: they wonder why God would even create them in the first place, put them in a world of temptations, and with all His might and power, allow them to burn forever as the righteous glorify him. Is God's nature to inflict pain, despair and regrets indufinely, in the name of punishing? What can He gain by so doing? Personally, I believe the loving father cannot purpose before hand to do such a thing.
I think it's satan's making for people to believe he is in charge of hell and torturing people day and night, even the first man to die, Cain, but without Satan himself and the torturers getting burnt.
This depicts God as unable to control Satan, and even giving Satan power of human beings, even after becoming enemy with God. This particular belief has seen people go into devil worship: belief that he can overpower God, he is in charge and that he owns and can control the destinies of men.
Pastors, you have a great task ahead of you, to study the Bible and deliver to believers the intended message rather than what your doctrine teaches, or what situation you would like to favour.
So all Millions of NDE experiences in the world is not true :( I dont kbow now what to believe. I hope God would help me
@@kirkjohnson2924 i already known amazing facts. But thanks
@@miakayuki1068 ok cool. See you in heaven by God's Grace 🙏🙏 🙏
I have watched a lot of ndes as well and thought I had it figured out but I also want to make sure I don't accept experience over God's word so let's continue to pray that God will show us the truth
There is ETERNAL TORMENT in the lake of fire, not in hades/hell that Jesus mentioned in Luke 16:19-31. Thats temporal until that will be thrown into the lake of fire at the end.
There is an intermendiate state between death and resurrection on the last day, that leaves room for ghosts and NDEs and so on... if NDEs are true then many non-christians also go to the light, which I honestly would have no problem with, as I do believe Jesus can reconcile all things to him. But again, the anniholation perspective does not rule out NDEs
The Bible says hellfire will not be quenched and their worm does not die..
I think this entire debate about the false doctrine being taught about hell can be solved by this verse from Mark chapter 9, where Jesus says, "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched". To teach that hell is only where a soul dies is to tell an atheist, "you're kinda right, your soul doesn't last forever, so you have nothing to worry about."
Remember that there cannot be just one verse to prove a doctrine. Hell is translated in that verse as the burning place called Geenna in Greek, which is the place of burning. They throw away all their trash there to be burnt. We must always compare scripture with scripture so we do not have our own interpretation mixed in it.
The verse says ...enter into LIFE'. That means the other alternative is no life aka DEATH. That is very clear to me. Do you see it?
this exact same thing is something that's been in my head and on my heart lately. I'm so glad I stumbled on this video. talk about confirmation! I don't claim any denomination as being "the right one". Teaching is either in line with scripture or it's not. This particular teaching is definitely in line even though I disagree with a lot of seventh day adventistism. Excellent video!
Thanks to pastor Doug for his clear and concise exposition on the subject of hell.
The rich man and Lazarus was a beautiful parable that became a living lesson study for the Jewish leaders at the time Jesus Christ walked the earth.
Not long after telling the parable Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead.
Did he complain about being brought back to earth from heaven? NO!
Did he thank Jesus from bringing him out of hell? NO!
Why because the Bible is clear.
KJV Ecclesiastes 9:5 - 6
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
The reason why Lazarus had nothing to say was because he was sleeping in death to be awaken at the second coming of Jesus Christ.
KJV Psalm 6:5
5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Don Ward Absolutely right Don. In fact, if you take into account all the resurrections in the Bible, not a single one of them ever had anything to say about a heaven or hell. They were silent. Why? Because as you quoted, they were asleep in death. Just as Jesus said "Lazarus sleeps..." But then he had to make it plain for his disciples because they thought He was talking of natural sleep, so Jesus told them "Lazarus is dead." John 11:11, 14.
Thanks for your words of affirmation.
Robert Chance Thanks for your words of affirmation.
You are welcome Don. But that's not to say that there aren't some in heaven, but the general resurrection hasn't taken place yet.
For example we know Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven without seeing death. Moses was resurrected and taken to heaven. And there were many who were resurrected the same time as Jesus. Matt 27:52, 53.
It is presumed by some that these were a sort of wave offering and were taken up to heaven as a first fruits and some of them became the 24 elders around the throne we read about in Revelation 4. There is a scripture that refers to these elders as men.
But the overall resurrection will not take place till the Second Coming of Christ. Even Martha ,Lazarus' sister knew this as she said, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day." John 11:24. Not sure where some people get their theology of a secret resurrection or rapture before the Second Coming.
The judgment won't be complete until the last day. Scripture tells us that time and time again. John 12:48; John 6:39, 40, 44, 54.
How could God rightly decide who goes to heaven and who doesn't if the judgment hasn't taken place yet? First the judgment and then the resurrection. Until then, those who have died beforehand will remain asleep in their graves awaiting the resurrection.
"And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." Daniel 12:2
"...the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." John 5:28, 29.
Notice John said "the hour IS coming". That means it hadn't happened at death but it is coming.
Robert Chance Your explanation of heaven and the children of God who will be among the resurrected ones is as I've read in the scriptures.
Thank God there is no constant hellfire . thank god for this message :)
Correct 💯 but yeah there's so many churches that still teach there is
And as a result they turned many people away from God they make him out to be a sadist but one one studies the scriptures thoroughly they find out the true character of God man has done nothing but malign his character many Christian denomination still do till this day it's a sad reality
@@Hulkmosher because the Bible teaches it in Revelation. Don't take a man's for it. Read Revelation. It supercedes cause it's the final event.
@@Hulkmosher Revelation says Satan, the false prophet and all unsaved people will be cast alive into the lake of fire which is the second death. No rest day or night
Their worm dieth not . The smoke of their TORMENT ascends forever AND ever . ( You have to be conscious to feel pain). Revelation supercedes because it's the final event .
@@janetdavidson8798 it's clear to me you don't understand what you're reading,and that you don't listen,I told you revelations uses a lot of symbolism ,PAY ATTENTION
I think "eternity" has been misunderstood. "Eternity" does not refer to an endless amount of time, rather, it is outside time - time does not pass in eternity as we perceive it to pass in our limited 4-dimensional spacetime. Even if it were an endless amount of time the suggestion that Cain could suffer a longer eternity than Hitler is absurd. Doug's teaching in this film generally seems to be based on the limited reality which we experience during our lives in this world.
+oldmanoftheshells What do you mean
If you would check the Strong's Concordance, you would find that in the Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary, item 5315, it shows that in this verse of scripture that the soul is tranlated "a breathing creature" the word is nephesh: pronounced neh-fesh. As it is told to us in Genesis 2:7, God breathed into man the BREATH OF LIFE, and man BECAME a living soul. Same word. Same meaning. He became a breathing creature.
man...this is a new perspective for me and TBH this makes far more sense with scripture that backs it up.
Hell and the lake of fire are real. Whether forever or not should not matter. To be separated from our King Jesus for any length of time is unimaginable. Seek JESUS!
It matters when witnessing to unsaved people. They don't see it as a just concept of God, which it isn't if its forever torture. A period of death = to your sins is just. Many people reject God simply for that, and won't even read a Bible.
I'm pretty sure it pleases Satan when people believe the lie that hell is not a reality at the present moment
Alright , so im from turkey and i don't believe in any religions , so let's say that i become a christian and my entire family muslim and they go to hell and i go to heaven and they will burn in hell and while they're burning in hell i will live in peace in heaven ! This is bullshit !
Peter Rappit that's bull shit I always think of my family at work..working for the white man
Peter Rappit your post show just how SICK you and your Pentecostal religion is. You believe in a god worse that Hitler.you don't have the Love of Christ in you or do you even know the True God Jesus Christ. you say things like. Peter Rappit1 day agoCrazy boy if you get to Heaven you will have no remembrance of your earthly family perishing in Hell.
Peter Rappit I am Peter rabbit..,lol sounds like a Disney special..lmao
Peter Rappit Now just were do you come up with me being a Adventist?LOL Shows how sick you are. Now please read close. I AM OF NO AND THAT MEANS NONE. RELIGION. Read below what you said below in one of your post. You claim to be God? You said you had the mind of God. Was Jesus God Rappit. YES HE WAS. And here is what you said in your post. Peter RappitJesse and Jan I have the mind of Christ Jesus
The consequence of sin is eternal. Not eternal torment in hell.
Why didn't god just destroy the devil a long time ago if he's going to destroy him anyway? Why leave him to destroy and deceive on earth if he really doesn't like the devil? It sounds to me like god needs someone to blame for his wrong doings.
should be fair to pay in fire all eternity for just 70 years of sin? Dont you think something is wrong there? Should it be love? The simple answer is. God is love. His punishment is forever but the fire is short. The real meaning of fire is no existence
(sry for my English im learning
the greek word for everlasting is aiónios which is the ancient equivalent of the English word eon which is a period of time do everlasting punishment is not eternal because eternal surpasses eon and time but the original word said aiónios which is a period of time so the wicked wont burn forever
Some see this sermon as a way to give sinners comfort but to my view the servant of God wanted to bring light in view of God as merciful God. Because God cannot be said to merciful and yet he casts sinners into an endless flames of fire. According to this sermon it proves God is not a vicious God. He cannot stand watching sinners cry forever in flames of fire.
Thanks. I have been wanting help on explaining this to my friends. Its unbelievable that grown men get behind the pulpit and teach the fairy tale of people burning in a hellfire forever. Sadly though, I have many friends who have spent their lives believing in hellfire. I have tried to explain that it's just a stupid teaching. Of course, that didn't get me anywhere. I will try to get them to watch your video, but if not, I guess I'm going to have to learn all that you say.Why is it so important to me? I do not appreciate my heavenly Father being portrayed in this light. Thanks again.
Yes they make God out to be a sadist worse than any criminal in history , malign his character and spread their deceitful lies makes you wonder who they really follow
@jesusLostChildren777 every time the word Hell word is used in the kjv bible and many another translations it really means Gehenna in the new testament.in the old testament it is mostly Sh'ówl שְׁאוֹל ("Sheol", "Seol") or hades what all means grave.the original text (Greek) do not use the word Hell.Many are now realizing that they have been in error translating these words as "hell"
New International Version
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."Mt 25.46....here there are two uses, of the same term, eternal....so is one eternal and the other not.....hmm.....once again a word study......
I agree with Doug on this subject, even though I used to believe the traditionalist view however after reading the bible through 4 times, the book the fire that consumes and listened to Doug I am Convinced I was wrong, so I change my view to the annihilatiolnist view point. Did you know there are litteraly tons of passages that preach annihilation. Ya tons of them, Ezekiel 28 talks about satan being reduced to ash and being destroyed, so does Malachi 4:1-3.
You have just been deceived by Doug. Hell is real and people are there now after judgment, they will be cast into the lake of fire. Read your bible again. God bless you
Eusebius Ndikum
Be cautious when you tell someone there deceived cause you yourself could be deceived to Jesus says you hypocrite first pull out a staff that is in your eyes then you will clearly see the suspect it is in your brother's eye even Paul said while I preach to others I could be a cast away may God truly bless us all
Eusebius Ndikum dude, they don't go from Fire #1 to Fire #2. There is only 1 Fire the lake of fire. The other "hell" is the grave.
spoke777 better read that bible a fifth time instead of listening to Doug ! Hell is a real fiery literal place forever poured out on sinners forever
Thessalonians 1:8-9King James Version (KJV)
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
I share the Annihalist view. No loving God would send us to an eternal torment. If God is just this would not take place.
Interesting that the people who believe this: "the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone" (Rev. 21:8), also preach that we are NOT under the Law.
The purpose of the law, is to show the Jews and mankind for that matter that we are unable to save ourselves by meating God's standards. We are ALL wicked rotton sinners deserving of eternal separation from Him. YET, in His mercy, He gave us a way out...hope. That hope is found in jesus alone.
mccartherable Friend, where in the Bible can I find more on this "eternal separation"? I like how that sounds, it tickles my ears ever so slightly.
nccartherable, www.bible-study-lessons.com/Hell-2.html
If we are such"wicked" sinners per se, why do people insist upon multiplying a fallen race ?
Thank you Reverend for this amazing video. I have been enlightened greatly by your work here! I pray that my fellow man (and woman) will also come across this video after I share it on my Facebook page!
May God the father and the lord Jesus bless your time on earth as it will be in heaven!
Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (KJV)
@Elvin Lalan Which is eternal death; never to be resurrected again. Punished for a time in the flames according to their works; and then dead eternally never to rise again.
Doug Batchelor make joining SDA attractive. But more amazing is that Doug is very wise in dividing the Word of God 👍👍👍
both Revelation 14:11 and Revelation 20:10 gets its imagery from Isaiah 34:8-10... these verses in Isaiah do not convey the imagery of eternal conscious torment.
Because your Isaiah ref. applies to death inside the time continuem!
Eternity does not! God is ETERNITY! UNforgiven Sin is ETERNAL, Heaven is ETERNAL, Hell is ETERNAL!
WakeUp!
Gordian Not
You just said it. God IS eternity. Just like God is an all consuming Fire.
How can one be tormented for eternity when eternity itself has no beginning or end? It’s times less. Judgement has a beginning and an end so how can one enter and START an eternity when it has no start to begin with?
@@bouquetoffood8918 no
Jesus said, "Eternal hell fire" (Matt 25.41).
"God is a consuming fire" IS relative to sin! Hence the human must repent, believe and receive the gospel of JesusChrist and will thus BE Justified (in spirit)> Sanctified (in walk) > AND ultimately GLORIFIED (in body) before entering the eternal presence of God! GLORIFICATION is what enables the believer to stand in the presence of God. The UNREGENERATE sinner will burn eternally in hell, "Where the worm dieth not" (Mark 9:48).
[Jesus]
I am sorry, but time is winding up and I must have the testimony Jesus, not of man!
Shalom to you both~
@@bouquetoffood8918 "I am sorry, but time is winding up and I must have the testimony Jesus, not of man!"
This is such a lazy and pretentious take. Stop acting holier than thou. Give me 1 scripture that says all souls are immortal, ill give you a hint you wont find it eternal life is only granted to true followers of Christ John 3:16 & Romans 6:23. The irony is you are the one thats following the doctrine of man and not Jesus. Eternal HeII fire came from paganism and the Catholic Church used it to scare ppl from turning away the the RCC. Jesus never used the word heII. The word HeII that Jesus used comes from the word "geennan" which was a real place in Israel. Jesus used it as an analogy to show what heII was like nowhere does it say its forever in the original Greek. I urge you to study the original Greek and look at the words used for "forever", "ever", and "eternal" the first 2 never mean literally forever in English. It means for an age and set time. Aka their punishment. Not everyone will be in heII forever. Your preachers have deceived you. I dont think they did it on purpose but they dont understand the original Greek and dont care to study it. How come it took hundreds of years after Christ and almost 1 thousand for eternal heII to be the main doctrine? Ask yourself that. The KJV was written in 1600s btw and they were already indoctrinated with the forever heII idea. In Matthew 10:28 Jesus clearly says the body and soul will be destroyed in heII. That makes it very clear what happens in heII. In regards to the worm will not die go to heIItruth com (cant spell it out bc youtube will delete the comment) then go to their QnA section they go into great detail about their worm does not die. Or you can go to rethinkingheII website and find it there. This issue of heII is very important. Jesus stood for truth and he is TRUTH. Spreading a false doctrine as dangerous as this turns many away from Christ this doctrine has done more harm than good in regards to getting people to come to Christ.
God bless this man for he has brought us an immense amount of truth today!
JESUS I LOVE YOU !
I believe there is a spiritual hell that people can go to after they die. A couple of my niece's had even visited it, having almost overdosed on drugs. My only hope is that it is not eternal. Some early fathers of the church believed it wasn't eternal, but their teachings were judged heretical.
how about Revelation 14:11 that says that those who recievied the mark of the beast were cast into the lake of fire and their torment and suffering go up age after age?
They're not thrown into the lake of fire... it's describing the judgments of chapters 15 and 16 in history.
Love his teachings thanks for posting this for clarity to those who seek understanding. Faith is the beginning of our belief not the end, ask seek knock! #off to study
you should understand that death is separation. Adam was death ( separated from God) when he disobeyed
Eusebius Ndikum Yes and the sinners will be destroyed and forever separated from God - If they are in eternal torment where is the separation if God is doing the constant punishing?
yes i know because i was there once in heaven my soul
I'm through arguing. People are going to believe what they want to believe. I've been to every church including SDA and found them all to be the same. The SDA was most down to earth and preach 95 percent of the truth but they believe in keeping all the ancient Hebrew laws including dietary laws and say you have to keep the law to keep your salvation. Plus they place too much emphasis on Ellen White their precious prophet. The other churches preach spiritualism and eternal torment which only a sadistic prick would do. Everybody says the Bible is literally true but did you know that it took centuries to decide what would go in the Bible? Christology wasn't decided until the council of Nicea in 325 CE. Pagan Constantine cast the deciding vote. I'm through with all this nonsense. None of us know if we will live again when we die but common sense dictates that no creator would torture his creation. Hell was made up like the Boogeyman to scare people.
100% true hell was made up to scare folks into staying in there church. the God of the Bible would never send anyone to roast for eternity. He is a merciful loving God who would never do that. this is all doctrines of devils man-made.
This is some scary stuff
I believe that all the wicked demons are out running around right now but it will soon be over.God bless to all that live the lord.
Peter Rappit Do you even know what a cult is?
Remo Williams You said! Hell was made up to scare folks into staying in there church. the God of the Bible would never send anyone to roast for eternity.) stop.) I don't know if it was made up scare people. I do have to asked this. Why does the bible say this? 1John chap 4) 8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.) And this?) Matthew 18:21-35) 14Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Why would God want us to do those things then turn around and do the opposite of what he tells us to do? So I have to go along with what you are saying.
Jesse! brother just read ur bible ur gonna come in here and fight with everyone because because you disagree with them? Not just you but everyone else who's putting something negative. didn't the Apostle Paul say not to quarrel over stuff like this? I'm not going to sit here and answer your question because I know what comes next you're just going to fight me on it. brother be blessed in Jesus name.
Quite interested to hear thoughts on this view here and the one from Chuck Missler "What happens when you die?" found on youtube. Both men make very solid claims and both back up their teachings with scripture. I've been a Christian nearly all my life and have to agree this is rather confusing. Despite disputes I believe what out weights any of this is knowing God and accepting Jesus's gift of life. Thanks for any input.
+Wood N Wheel Thx for the reply WnW...what Doug says has really stuck with me and just makes more 'sense' if you will...and agreeing with john3:16 the "perish" term to me would seem to lean toward the notion of a final end to any form of life. let me know if you have any more thoughts toward this. peace.
I wouldn't be listening to Chuck missler
This man is a good speaker but he teaches partial truths. What does he say about Matthew 25:46, everlasting punishment isn't cessation of life in the afterlife.
this is such an excellent truth.
Interesting, i`ve been wrestling with this notion that hell isn`t a literal place but just destruction of the wicked for a while now.
The sinful and vengeful side to me wants to think that the Hitlers and Stalins of the world burn for eternity but the scripture and the loving nature of God tells me otherwise.
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SDA?
joeforHistruth Death is eternal punishment, having your spirit destroyed forever is about as eternal as it gets.
The punishment for sin is *death*!
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Are you sure about that? show me the scripture? without using revelation, show me where Jesus said, conclusively!, that the spirit will suffer eternal torment?
To be honest, it`s not an enormous concern, but i think that the idea that a person can live a good life, work hard, raise a family, think of others etc, but never be religious, can be tortured for all eternity, the God that i know, the God of love and Mercy that set me free, would not do that. The verses in the Bible can be interpreted either way, i don`t think we are supposed to know because we already know that God is just, and our faith in Him is enough to know that what He does is right and that`s why the Bible is not clear.
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Stop being evasive, show me conclusive scripture of Jesus saying the spirit is tortured forever in Hell fire!
I`ve read the Gospels many times and know them well.
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Verses please, for the third time..
I'm a Catholic but I really like this guy
well, of course you do. both of your cults suffer from the erroneous doctrine that "your own works of Righteousness effect your Salvation"
So, according to you, I like this guy because we share the common affliction of "erroneous doctrine"? I only said that I was a Catholic and that I liked this guy. And I can't completely understand your critique for the nonsensical phrase '....effect your Salvation" If you rewrite it and substitute "affect" for "effect", then the effect on me will be lucidity. Capische?
you don't understand the simple statement that you are BOTH "judaizers or legalists" that believe YOUR works of Righteousness (which are like a woman's bloody Kotex, Isa 64:6) effect your Salvation somehow. should be easy enough to understand.
VictorCrowne your pastor promise you library but he himself Teaches Lawlessness, meaning no more laws for new church only love, and rejected the laws of God.
Ask your self a question, what is Lawlessness,lawless mean???Acts 21: He took a vow because,
Paul was accused of teaching against God's laws,
Matt 23:1-3 seat of Moses observe and do.
Acts 13:14-45 jews and gentiles , Moses every Sabbath day.
Acts 15:21 Gentiles will learn from seat of Moses every Sabbath,
Matt4:4 man shall live by every word that process from the mouth of God.
Jesus said it is the Father's doctrine not his, The Father word,The Father work,
Ephesians 5:10 Find out what please the Lord.
Jesus said in John 7:38-39 Believe on Him as the scriptures say,. Torah reading from the seat of Moses.
Acts 17:11 daily search the scriptures,
Acts 18:28 proving from scriptures that Jesus was Christ.
Only the Torah was read Law, Psalms and all Prophets,, the Bible was not put together yet when Jesus are the apostles was teaching from Torah.
VictorCrowne and if you read your bible, all apostles called their writtings letters are gospels, when they talk about all scriptures are for learning, Teaching, doctrine, reproof, instructions,they meant the Torah, not their letters,
Prov30:6 Do not add are subtract from the word of God are He will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Deut 4:2:do not add are subtract from My words are laws
Deut 12 :32 be careful to observe it, you shall not add are take from it.
Matt4:4 Luke 4:4 live by every word of God.
Why didn't god just destroy the devil a long time ago if he's going to destroy him anyway? Why leave him to destroy and deceive on earth if he really doesn't like the devil? It sounds to me like god needs someone to blamr for his wrong doings.
Thank you so much for this. I took notes of the entire sermon and will be referring all my friends and everyone I can to this. Pastor Batchelor is the rare pastors who actually seem very sincere in their labor for their Lord, may God richly bless his family!
Brother Doug, I love some of your teaching, but this is a doctrine of Demons.
Please explain with the Bible why? Beacuse everything Doug is saying is sustained and proved with the Word of God. God bless.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not PERISH, but have EVERLASTING LIFE." (John 3:16)
"For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
It's either death or eternal life. These are the only two options. It's not eternal life in heaven or eternal life in hellfire.
Flurry Heart- Kiko Jesus death don’t cover any sins you commit after you learn you are a sinner and know the truth let’s read
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,”
Hebrews 10:26 KJV
bible.com/1/heb.10.26.kjv
You're most likely a Narcassist.
Dough is preaching smooth things to fit carnal professors. Kindly adventist woke up. And preach PRESENT TRUTH
AmazingLies
Amen!
Well can you come up with a hour video proving why without contradiction to the bible and also using the orginal meanings of old words why you say that just interested.
Hellfire is a lie
Thank You Jesus, help me to accept you, so I don't have to suffer for my own sins. You have given us your word that we may not be lead astray and be part of the eternal death. Your word says it and thats you speaking to me today. I praise you!
absolutely amazing his teaching is amazing why are they not teaching this at church? this is beyond me! I have a better understanding about hell thank you be blessed in Jesus mighty name
Because most churches still want to scare people into believing their system.
You never heard if the hell scaring people into the church? Have you ever did your history of the history of the Roman Church and their erroneous doctrines?
I am not going to defend myself anymore.
***** From all my studying in the Bible, never once have I come across a passage of Scripture that confirms the pagan belief of eternal hell fire.
From what I have studied, the wicked are *destroyed*, not kept to burn forever. To say this is a contradiction in Scripture.
Come to think of it, in all of this arguments, no one has addressed those Scriptures which speak of the wicked being destroyed, not living in a state of consciousness.
Eternal punishment means that the punishment is eternal: total death, where there cannot be resurrection.
In Genesis 19, we are given a preview on the final fate of the wicked. Jude 7 says that they suffered the vengeance of eternal fire. But those fires are not burning now. Also, Jeremiah 17:21 also says that Jerusalem would be burned with unquenchable fire. But those fire are still not burning today (2 Chronicle 36:19).
So, what does it mean? It meant that the fire was so intense, and trust me, it will be on Judgement Day, that they could never be put out. They will burn everything, without stopping, until everything is incinerated and reduced to ashes.
Hell fire is not burning now. The lake of fire will burn when the New Jerusalem come downs to earth, and God will rain fire and brimestone to consume the wicked (see Revelation 20). They will be burned until they are reduced to ashes (Malachi 4:1). That is the second death, where death and the grave (hades) will be destroyed forever (Revelation 20:8, 14). The prophet Ezekiel prophesied that Satan will be burned and destroyed in the lake of fire, (Ezekiel 28:18, 19).
Only then will God be able to make the earth new, when the old earth has been destroyed and everything in it (Revelation 21:1, 2). God simply cannot do this if the old earth is eternally burning with the immortal souls of the wicked and Satan. Also, death and suffering would still exist if the wicked souls still live and suffer (Revelation 21:4).
God will make an end of sin. This cannot be if the dead burn without end. Only if they are completely destroyed will the universe be cleansed.
joeforHistruth What you are doing right now: you are defending your view on the Bible on a text Jesus says that, to you, confirms the everlasting nature of hell fire, and ignoring all the other Scriptures that teaches the wicked will be destroyed forever.
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
(Isaiah 28:9-11 KJV)
Eternal punishment is not equivalent to eternal punishing, regardless if you want it to be so, or not. When the wicked are destroyed, their punishment is eternal. It is fixed and everlasting; one that cannot be reversed. To use this text in an effort to dismiss all the other ones I have referenced is devilish. Once put into context, the verse makes sense. If not, the doctrinal war rages on.
This is not "a biblical video," as it contradicts the holy Scriptures we came to call the Bible. The notion that "a loving God would not send anyone to hell" calls His word a lie, and attempts to render Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, or the deaths of the martyrs to spread the Gospel, pointless. It's not the flames nor the eternal pain that make hell hell - it's eternal separation from God. Therefore someone in hell, who claimed on earth that there was no God, now finds his or herself where that is now true. And that, my friends, is the worst eternal torment of hell.
But in case you don't believe my preaching, believe the word of God, unless you decide the parts of the Bible with which you disagree were conveniently tampered with by man (suggesting God would let His word to us become mired and flawed), and the parts you like being from the Holy Spirit:
"And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." -Daniel 12:2
"It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched" -Mark 9:45
"And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire." -Revelation 20:15
Read also 2 Peter chapter 2.
This video brings up many Scriptures. Did you watch the whole thing and with an *open and considerate mind? Also, according to Revelation 20, the torment is not separation from God, but it is the torment of the lake of fire.
consumedbyfire13 Just because a video quotes Scripture doesn't mean it tells a true story. Satan quoted Scripture when he tempted Jesus. As the Spirit wrote through Peter, describing Paul's epistles, "in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures." -2 Peter 3:16.
But, concerning an "open and considerate mind," when it comes to the precious and holy truth of God's word, I try to keep my mind as narrow as the narrow way preached by Jesus. I don't consider man's empty rhetoric and false philosophies. If I leave my mind open concerning God, then anyone can throw any false doctrine into it.
Isaiah 28:9
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Hebrews 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Hebrews 5:13
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
1 Corinthians 3:2
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
ok lets look at what your comment says from the top...first..you say ..."The notion that "a loving God would not send anyone to hell".. did you not listen to what he said? He was speaking about God not sending someone to hell TO be burning forever..not that how could a loving God send anyone to hell. 2 totally different ideas. So there for you can not render what he said a lie simply because you took his point incorrectly. Now you speak about in hell and that they will be separated from God...First...anyone who is not saved by Jesus is already eternally separated from God until then. God is just merciful enough to allow us to be reconciled back to him before our death or before he comes back. Hell is hell because it is the punishment officially for sin..like a judge giving his official legal sentence of punishment. Ok ..No on to your scriptures you quoted to show that Hell is a place that those burn forever.. ""And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." -Daniel 12:2"....first off you notice...those "sleeping in the dust" those are all the dead. they awake at the 2nd coming..and those then get their reward...everlasting life or death.. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" notice its Death NOT ever lasting torment. but rather it speaks to death being eternal.... Now on to your next Text you quoted " "It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched" -Mark 9:45" ..this is speaking first about your attitude to sin..not that you will really be lame in heaven...and "the fire that shall never be quenched" is that it is ever lasting......now "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire" Jude 1:7 also says Sodom and Gomorrah were burnt with eternal fire....as you know they are not still burning today..rather what it means is the effects of this fire is everlasting that Sodom and Gomorrah will never be..as well Jeremiah 17:27 "Jerusalem was to be destroyed with unquenchable fire" and in 2 Chronicles 36:19-21 the Bible says this fire burned the city "to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah" and left it desolate. Yet we know this fire went out, because Jerusalem is not burning today. Even the final fate of Satan is explicitly pronounced in Ezekiel 28:18, where the Bible says that the enemy of souls will be reduced to ashes upon the "earth."Compare that with Psalm 37:10 ("For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be").
This is pissing me off, Stop condemning people. Forgive them and move on. It's the type of Christians who believe works get them saved that will get tested during the tribulation.
what about the rich man who was asking for a drop of wather..where was JESUS 3 days?..my engl. is not p. but the bible is clear that there is a hellfire
Hassan Chagouani thats a parable.. I'll prove it.
Matthew 13
"10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."
why would he randomly stop speaking in parables?
Hassan Chagouani That's a parable. A story with a lesson to teach. Taking that out of context just means you have to study it in the Spirit, not in the flesh.
The rich man and Lazarus is a parable read Matthew 13:34
Lake of Fire annihilation is also unmerciful!
terceldude the mercy is in that it does end.
Matthew 25:46
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Eternal punishment is eternal death, no resurrection after that. What do people fear more than death? than to exist no more? think about it, God bless.
Mr bachelor u explained you sermon as the best it could be I was raised pentecostal the truth was so comforting God bless not a lot of difference in church of God and seventh day we both keep the forth commandent the sabbath
Every time I try to watch Mr. Batchelor, I am turned off by his conceited, self-assured, attitude. I don't see humility. I see cavalier quips about very serious things. I would just say that Paul's advice of not judging another man's servant would be apropos here. True, annihilationism is probably preferable to eternal punishment, but it still misses the point of His-story in the overall narrative arch of the Word. That being: Restoration.
There are 2 Eternal Destination.
Life or Death
1. Eternal LIFE
2. Eternal DEATH
How (what method) or what process does one goes thru to end up with either Eternal Life or Eternal Death.
For Eternal Life (Good people). Jesus will come and resurrect the dead in Christ.
For Eternal Death (Bad people). Jesus could use any of these methods or a combination: hang, drop a bomb, firing squad, Earthquake, Tsunami, flood (like Noah’s time), hail, hailstone, diseases such as aids, gas, starvation, etc. Any one or a combination of these methods could wipe out (causing death) all bad people. Jesus chooses FIRE as a method.
In the Bible, DEATH is the opposite of LIFE.
But the MAJORITY of people/Christians who are alive today DO NOT believe the bible definition that DEATH is the opposite of LIFE. They believe that DEATH is not really DEATH, but just a DIFFERENT FORM/TYPE of LIFE. This is exactly what the snake told Eve in the Garden of Eden, “Ye (Eve/Adam/humans) shall not surely die” Gen 3:4. Therefore it should not surprise anyone that this is still the most popular definition that humans/Christians believe TODAY, about death.
Most people who believe that Death is not really death but only a variation (different form or type) of life, will finally believe (one or a combination) that all bad/evil people
1. Have Eternal LIFE in HELL or burn in hell for all eternity. Contradiction Bible verses such as Rom 6:23 “... wages of SIN is DEATH; but the GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE ...”
2. All bad/evil people such as Hitler, will eventually end up in heaven.
3. There is no such notion as Eternal Death
finalewiz I don't see humility in you my friend. Give the man a break. He is just another disordered soul, being used by the Master to convey real, scripturally substantiated truth - in spite of himself. He could be fabulously rich and famous, but chose instead to "suffer affliction with the people of God, rather than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season". What a wonderful spectacle before men and angels - a brand plucked forth from the fire.!
Origen17
Only one way to take this
Thessalonians 1:8-9King James Version (KJV)
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Gosh, I don't see that at all. I see only humility and a true love for God and humanity in Doug Bachelor's talks. What I see in your post, unfortunately, is nothing but hatred. And as for you, e2sguy? Listen to the video. That'll clear your confusion caused by these translation issues right up.
No one is forcing you to watch him. I totally enjoy his teaching. I was kept in the dark for many years being born in the Catholic religions. I have learned so much from him. I enjoy his soothing voice and his interpretation of the bible. If that doesn't work for you, change the channel.
Seductive, deceiving doctrine.
SOOOO MANY Preachers preach heretical doctrine in their quest to finess and thereby grow their audiences. They are building their own little fifedoms!
The FAITHFUL KNOW that redefining biblical "ETERNAL" and biblical "FOR EVER and EVER," actually redefines Heaven, HELL and God!
HERESY!
How so? What points?
the body may be burnt up but i believes that the soul will live for ever. the being of a person will not be completely annihilated but the soul will burn forever
***** ok. Whatever
Eli Ben God hates sin, not the sinner. How much hatred for an enemy would you have to possess for you to torture them for eternity, or for a teenager giving in to their God given urges? There are many doctrines of demons, and an eternal hell is on top of their list.
Bad Joo Joo Smh. I didn't come up with the idea. Read it for what it clearly says. God help and bless u
amen waterloo amen also read Job peace
***** God bless u my friend. But if I'm wrong or I should say the Bible is wrong then I have nothing to loose but if the sinner believes what u believe and lives like he wants to because he will just be annihilated then he has eternal hell to pay. It saddens me how proud mankind can be to convulte God's word.
Acts 20:7
KJV -And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
K-O Straight from the Bible !
A lot has changed in the week since I posted.
I have read "Jesus, Interrupted" by biblical scholar Bart Ehrman, which proves that the bible is not inerrant, but a human book with human errors (some of them intentional). Revelation in particular was admitted to have sections written in the 7th century.
Looking back on my life I see religion (especially end-time fascination) as a psychological coping mechanism that I am now no longer psychologically weak enough to need. TAKE ACTION and LIVE!
Eternal torment is real.
I just love the way you eternal torture believers think you can just say "eternal torment is real" and think that's supposed to mean something to anyone. However, it probably does represent why you believe like you do. You think someone tells you that? Then it must be true. You do no real research or think anything through for yourself. Again, that's why you support a doctrine of demons.
Only if you believe a miss translated Bible.
*pete walsh:* And that post was directed at whom? You know for sure what translation was mistranslated? You know this by-way-of personalized deep study and extensive research? Our translations all say the same thing, pete. They may say it differently in places, but they say the same thing. Because you yourself are fully versed in ancient Greek and Hebrew you know all translations but one, apparently, were mistranslated? Have you read all these translations side-by-side? The issues that have led to believing the Bible teaches eternal torment have far more to do with religious leaders brainwashing people into believing the Bible says things it just doesn't say. What's more, people are taught by these same leaders that if they question what they've been taught, they'll end up in that terrible place. lol.
Point well taken, Flurry.
Cherubim Church No its not.
Nice smile, nice suite, bad theology! Hell is a place of Memory and Remorse. The Bible is very clear on this. So who is doing the "remembering" and who is "weeping" over a life of Sin? ...All THOSE (souls) who rejected God in this Life. Keep it simple folks. "And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever". Revelation 14
+Lance Marchetti Ezekiel 28: 17-19 Satan is brought to ashes and "will be no more forever". Got news for you brother - if Satan ain't going to burn in fury and torture forever, certainly someone with 70 lousy years of sin isn't. Your "simplicity" is not in conjunction with the Scriptures whatsoever (no matter how much eternal torture appeals to you for those you presumably don't particularly care for).
Jude speaks about the eternal smoke going burning from Sodom and Gomorrah in Jude 7 speaks of its "suffering the vengeance of eternal fire". Just think (and I do mean "think" here - forget what your Babylonian pastor bellows : If those two cities REALLY were in "eternal fire" then it would be the dad-blamed biggest tourist attraction in the world. So obviously this is an idiom, much like Jonah 2:6 where he proclaims that he was in the belly of the whale "forever". So take a deep breath and relax Lance. Wheeewwwww... When it states in Revelation 20:14 states unequivocally that for those thrown in the lake of fire that "this is the second death". It means it.
God is not the monster here - Satan "the father of lies" is. So kindly quit worshipping him and join the ranks of sane Bible believers who recognize the justice AND mercy of God in His quest to give EVERYONE eternal life, and simply eliminating those who staunchly refuse it, preferring to follow Satan in his quest of murder, mayhem and divine character assassination. If you can't appreciate the myriad of Bible verses that state that the wicked are "destroyed", "brought to nothing", "shall be no more" than I would highly recommend that you pray as you've never prayed before to have the heavenly Father reveal His character of love and justice to you. Representing Him as a torturing sadist is one of the biggest character assaults in the universe. Once again Lance - God does not torture someone who "rejected God in this life" forever. When an ex-lover does that they are locked away. It is UNACCEPTABLE behavior for humans and certainly the heavenly Father does not have double standards, nor is he an insane maniac. But, and now pay attention - Satan most certainly is. Don't buy his idiotic lies anymore Lance. It is publicly embarrassing.
rabbit ...you once again
The idea that sinners burn forever is based upon the idea that man has in a immortal soul, Where is that taught in the Bible and if it's not in there where did the idea originate
Very interesting view. Although this remain highly debatable among Christians but this point is very substantial. Im not an adventist but I love this particular topic an the explanation provided.
Blessed be the Name of our Lord
Isa 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
i create "calamity" is the true translation. That is something like floods and simmilar.
Thanl you and goodbye
Well Bud, in order for your argument to work, you need to ignore chapters like 2 Peter where he talks about Sodom and Gomorrah being an example of what happens to the wicked. Is that city still burning? No, however the destruction is still there today, because it lasted forever. Irreversible, That's a fact, got nothing to do with my own theology, praise the creator
we never chose to be born...and yet we will be tormented because we didnt do what God wants...sounds very unfair.
Is it fair to reject your loving creator? Reject Truth, ?? Prefer sin ? Jesus died to save you , you have a choice to say no thats true.
Dan Miller
God loves us but make no mistake about it. God does not need us. He is the Alpha and the Omega,the beggining and the end,the first and the last,the wonderful counselour,Almighty God,Prince of peace,He spoke the universe into exestince,He knows all the stars by name. He has need of no one and no thing. God loves us but He does not need us.
We need Him...
Praise God for revealing His Truth and for those that receive it.
If no one is burning yet, but reserved to the last days. How do explain the story of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man was already in a fire of torment.
The rich man and Lazarus is a parable.
Sounds like you're pretty excited for people to start burning eternally.
The rapture is not a secret. It's in the bible in several places.
Rapturo / Harpazo means to be caught up, seized away, snatched up, etc. The Jesuits, really worship
Isis - Horus - Set / IHS. Denial of a pre-trib rapture is from the Devil. God is not a liar. Why would He tell us we have the blessed hope.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, and then put His children into the tribulation for punishment? When a child disobeys his/her parent, that parent doesn't punish the brother or sister who didn't disobey. He punishes the child who disobeyed. He takes the child/children away when the other child/ children that are being punished.
At the rapture, the dead in Christ will rise first, then we who are alive and remain will be caughtup together to meet the Lord in the clouds in the air...
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
At the 2nd coming, Jesus will land on the Mount of Olives. These are 2 separate events.
also, this pastor is implying that to die means to cease to exist. that is not true. death is an eternal state, not a one time event, just as life is an eternal state and not a one time event.
Are you saying that in my 14 years of bible study the holy spirit ("the helper, the bringer of truth who will guide you in all things") made a mistake when he helped me understand what I read in the bible?
I'm confused.
What is my inaccuracy? I genuinely would like to know what it is.
What do you believe?
If no one is in hell yet then why does Revelations 20:13 say on the day of judgement that the sea gives up its dead and death and HELL delivered up its dead which WERE in them and they were judged, every man according to their works. False teaching.
I’ve just finished a thorough treatise on this subject, which covers everything from Church history to the logical arguments, and of course the key Scriptures. It’s about a thirty-minute read, and is available for anyone. If you’re interested, please let me know and I’d be happy to share it. God bless, brothers and sisters!
People have a problem with burning in hell eternally for just a lifetime of sin, but no one has a problem with being in heaven eternally for just a lifetime of being faithful to God
Isn't being consumed bad enough & a sure remedy? God isn't a sadist. I believe He just gets rid of them out of His creation. It's logical & reasonable to believe He simply allows them to be consumed.
That is why there is a pre-trib rapture. Noah and his family were saved, taken out of the way, from God's wrath. Likewise, Lot was also saved, taken out of the way, from God's wrath upon Sodom and Gomorrah. We who are saved, are not appointed to God's wrath.
Perhaps he can explain Luke 16:19-31..Just saying ..
Sara Khan Luke 16 was a parable to prove a point. Jesus knew that many Jews were Hellenized so he borrowed from it to prove a point.
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Sara is 100% correct. Not just a parable!
I just dont know why so many professing Christians want HELL to be temporary.
IF eternal HELL is only for ages (eons) then so is eternal Heaven only for ages (eons).
WakeUp!
Too many pop preachers are so invested in FINESSing the masses, that they don't even realize they are preaching heresy!
Sounds like he has done his homework on this subject. There is nothing to debate against here truth is truth
Jesus used Gehenna as a symbol of everlasting destruction. Mathew 23:33 Mark ; 9:47-48
The word “Gehenna” literally means “ Valley of Hinnom “referring to a valley just outside Jerusalem . In bible times the city residents used this valley as a garbage dump. They kept a fire constantly burning their to destroy refuse; maggots consumed a thing that the fire did not reach.