I volunteer for a charity founded by members of a church I used to attend. The church funds a clinic in Uganda which supports our communities with their health needs as its main purpose. Over the last few weeks, I’ve felt God leading me to change priorities, because this charity isn’t serving a kingdom purpose in bringing people to Christ, even if its purpose is noble. This message helps bring this home for me, along with what I’ve read in the Bible from John 13 and 14.
Billy Graham was a Jesuit freemason and this idea of an everlasting hell and torment is actually not scriptural but Jesuit ideology bought in by the Catholic church as it is very clear that when judgement comes God will destroy all thing both man an beast by fire. The will be destroyed entirely. So, the idea you go to eternal damnation is actually an occult belief. And Billy Graham it is well known now and in the open he was a freemason. Go look it up and therefore all he taught and continues to teach from his "Bible institutions" has false theology and a lot of it has Catholic and Jesuit ideology. This ideology came fully into the church that even people like Pawson and Derek Price believed it to be facts
Hellfire?! Scriptural answer to Pawson’s “Part 5” containing his supposed Scriptural basis for ‘hellfire’. 1. JWs do believe in ‘hell’ (the Anglo-Saxon word) as far as it translates very poorly some Hebrew and Greek words. It simply means the grave. Job asked to go there (Job 14:13). Ezekiel 18:4 says that the wicked will ‘die’ (go to grave) not be tricked into eternal torture. Psalm 6:5, Eccl 9:10 and Isa 38:18,19 speak of the grave as a place of inactivity. Adam was told that rebellion would return him “to the dust”, not eternal torture or fire. Jesus was raised from hell (Acts 2:27, 31, 32 and Psalm 16:10 prophetically). People are not conscious in the grave (Mt 25:41,46 13:30 Hebrews 10:26,27 Rev 20: 10,14,15). 2. Pawson agress that ‘hellfire’ cannot be supported by the OT (4000 years) nor the writings of Paul. Maybe God tricked and conned those millions of people living before Christ into thinking they would just ‘die’, go to ‘dust’ but actually He would drop them into eternal agony and suffering with no reprieve or respite? This is arguably the most blasphemous accusation anyone could make of God who is described consistently as a God of love, mercy and justice! Its so preposterous, no wonder hardly anyone now believes such a wicked thing. 3. Pawson is blatantly lying too about William Whiston. Far from WW teaching hellfire, he published his view that the idea was “absurd, cruel, and an insult to God”. 4. Similar, John Wesley was not an ardent believer in hellfire; he wrestled with differing views on it. Modern Methodists such as Rob Bell (“Love Wins”) do not follow the ‘traditional’ line. 5. If there is an ‘instinctive’ belief in torture, it must have come from pagan ideas, not normal human nature. Thats why there’s a ‘moral’ argument against it; it’s far from just or equitable’ let alone loving and merciful. 6. Words used in ‘dark ages’ Bibles are largely mistranslated and misunderstood to mean torture. ‘Tartarus’ is uniquely a place where demons are ‘restrained’ pending eventual destruction. ‘Gehenna’ and ‘Hinnom’ were places in Jesus day that were places of destruction and disposal, not torture. Dead bodies were thrown there. 7. Its no surprise that Roman Catholics teach hellfire. Fear and abject terror have almost always been their strategy, from the many Inquisitions in the Near East, Europe and the Baltics, to the burning alive of people. They thought they were doing Gods work. How many millions have they killed? Its literally countless, but in the millions. 8. The one verse that Pawson quotes from Jesus words in Matt 10:28 (“can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.” The critical word here is ‘soul’ (‘psuche’ in the Greek). A proper look at all of Scripture, and Greek lexicons too, highlights the meaning of this as ‘life’ or ‘self’ or sometimes ‘emotions’... these, as the verse says, can be DESTROYED by God eternally (Greek; ‘apollumi’ a strengthened form of ‘ollumi’ meaning ‘utterly destroy, perish’. Its a contrast with the previous phrase, showing that God can destroy all of a persons life prospects rather than just the body. 9. Other concepts in Scripture such as ‘lake of fire, ‘Abrahams bosom’ etc are all deeply symbolic. Even ‘hell’ is to be ‘thrown’ into the ‘lake of fire’! (Rev 20:13,14) 10. Pawsons ministry is totally destructive; there’s no ‘gospel’ (good news). Leave the positive, loving and constructive stuff to Jehovah’s Witnesses; their global witnessing is being blessed. Tens of thousands of new Kingdom Halls are being built, and millions getting baptised. They are totally united, loving, peaceful, and focussed on the Bible and true worship rather than any man-made creeds of hateful blasphemous teachings. As Pawson rightly says, there is in Christendom a “declining interest in saving” lives. 11. As Isaiah 66:1,2 predicts, in the last days God would be looking for a global people who are ‘contrite’ and ‘lovers of His Word’... humble enough to see where they were wrong, and put it right in a true revival and restoration... also to obey God in whatever work He instructs, which currently is the great commission of Matt 28:19,20 (Matt 24:14, Acts 1:8 Rev 14:6,7)
why is this speaker quoting Jn 3.16....For God SOOOOOOOOOO loved, when the translation is....in this way....God loved, refering to the way the serpent was lifted up in the wilderness....and this speaker has gone out of his way to say that the Gospel, of John is not for unbelievers...but mature ones.....this is stange, to say the least...
Please let stop nit-picking. God did have a great love for the world, which was manifested in Jesus. This is what matters and the speaker testifies to that, even though he may have quoted an imperfect translation.
I volunteer for a charity founded by members of a church I used to attend. The church funds a clinic in Uganda which supports our communities with their health needs as its main purpose. Over the last few weeks, I’ve felt God leading me to change priorities, because this charity isn’t serving a kingdom purpose in bringing people to Christ, even if its purpose is noble. This message helps bring this home for me, along with what I’ve read in the Bible from John 13 and 14.
Being with God and his people forever is a big upgrade.
Thanks Dave.
if there is tiktok in heaven, this series must hit 1bn views.
Mk!!
Excellent
Thanks for sharing.
even Billy Grahm has equivocated....on this in his interview with Robert...Schuller...it is on utube....
Billy Graham was a Jesuit freemason and this idea of an everlasting hell and torment is actually not scriptural but Jesuit ideology bought in by the Catholic church as it is very clear that when judgement comes God will destroy all thing both man an beast by fire. The will be destroyed entirely. So, the idea you go to eternal damnation is actually an occult belief. And Billy Graham it is well known now and in the open he was a freemason. Go look it up and therefore all he taught and continues to teach from his "Bible institutions" has false theology and a lot of it has Catholic and Jesuit ideology. This ideology came fully into the church that even people like Pawson and Derek Price believed it to be facts
Hellfire?!
Scriptural answer to Pawson’s “Part 5”
containing his supposed Scriptural basis for ‘hellfire’.
1. JWs do believe in ‘hell’ (the Anglo-Saxon word) as far as it translates very poorly some Hebrew and Greek words. It simply means the grave. Job asked to go there (Job 14:13). Ezekiel 18:4 says that the wicked will ‘die’ (go to grave) not be tricked into eternal torture. Psalm 6:5, Eccl 9:10 and Isa 38:18,19 speak of the grave as a place of inactivity. Adam was told that rebellion would return him “to the dust”, not eternal torture or fire. Jesus was raised from hell (Acts 2:27, 31, 32 and Psalm 16:10 prophetically). People are not conscious in the grave (Mt 25:41,46 13:30 Hebrews 10:26,27 Rev 20: 10,14,15).
2. Pawson agress that ‘hellfire’ cannot be supported by the OT (4000 years) nor the writings of Paul. Maybe God tricked and conned those millions of people living before Christ into thinking they would just ‘die’, go to ‘dust’ but actually He would drop them into eternal agony and suffering with no reprieve or respite? This is arguably the most blasphemous accusation anyone could make of God who is described consistently as a God of love, mercy and justice! Its so preposterous, no wonder hardly anyone now believes such a wicked thing.
3. Pawson is blatantly lying too about William Whiston. Far from WW teaching hellfire, he published his view that the idea was “absurd, cruel, and an insult to God”.
4. Similar, John Wesley was not an ardent believer in hellfire; he wrestled with differing views on it. Modern Methodists such as Rob Bell (“Love Wins”) do not follow the ‘traditional’ line.
5. If there is an ‘instinctive’ belief in torture, it must have come from pagan ideas, not normal human nature. Thats why there’s a ‘moral’ argument against it; it’s far from just or equitable’ let alone loving and merciful.
6. Words used in ‘dark ages’ Bibles are largely mistranslated and misunderstood to mean torture. ‘Tartarus’ is uniquely a place where demons are ‘restrained’ pending eventual destruction. ‘Gehenna’ and ‘Hinnom’ were places in Jesus day that were places of destruction and disposal, not torture. Dead bodies were thrown there.
7. Its no surprise that Roman Catholics teach hellfire. Fear and abject terror have almost always been their strategy, from the many Inquisitions in the Near East, Europe and the Baltics, to the burning alive of people. They thought they were doing Gods work. How many millions have they killed? Its literally countless, but in the millions.
8. The one verse that Pawson quotes from Jesus words in Matt 10:28 (“can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.”
The critical word here is ‘soul’ (‘psuche’ in the Greek). A proper look at all of Scripture, and Greek lexicons too, highlights the meaning of this as ‘life’ or ‘self’ or sometimes ‘emotions’... these, as the verse says, can be DESTROYED by God eternally (Greek; ‘apollumi’ a strengthened form of ‘ollumi’ meaning ‘utterly destroy, perish’. Its a contrast with the previous phrase, showing that God can destroy all of a persons life prospects rather than just the body.
9. Other concepts in Scripture such as ‘lake of fire, ‘Abrahams bosom’ etc are all deeply symbolic. Even ‘hell’ is to be ‘thrown’ into the ‘lake of fire’! (Rev 20:13,14)
10. Pawsons ministry is totally destructive; there’s no ‘gospel’ (good news). Leave the positive, loving and constructive stuff to Jehovah’s Witnesses; their global witnessing is being blessed. Tens of thousands of new Kingdom Halls are being built, and millions getting baptised. They are totally united, loving, peaceful, and focussed on the Bible and true worship rather than any man-made creeds of hateful blasphemous teachings. As Pawson rightly says, there is in Christendom a “declining interest in saving” lives.
11. As Isaiah 66:1,2 predicts, in the last days God would be looking for a global people who are ‘contrite’ and ‘lovers of His Word’... humble enough to see where they were wrong, and put it right in a true revival and restoration... also to obey God in whatever work He instructs, which currently is the great commission of Matt 28:19,20 (Matt 24:14, Acts 1:8 Rev 14:6,7)
who chooses....hell.....
evidently not many believed in the flood.....hmmm.....
why is this speaker quoting Jn 3.16....For God SOOOOOOOOOO loved, when the translation is....in this way....God loved, refering to the way the serpent was lifted up in the wilderness....and this speaker has gone out of his way to say that the Gospel, of John is not for unbelievers...but mature ones.....this is stange, to say the least...
I didn't quite get your question, but trust me, he knew what he was preaching.
Because this verse is misquoted by many protest-ants
Please let stop nit-picking. God did have a great love for the world, which was manifested in Jesus. This is what matters and the speaker testifies to that, even though he may have quoted an imperfect translation.
Your translation is bad and also, the Bible is for believers, not unbelievers.