Foods That Add Years To Your Life | Dr. Michael Greger Live In Toronto
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- Adding years to your life could be as easy as choosing the right foods at your next meal.
Unlock the secrets to longevity with Dr. Michael Greger best-selling author of How Not To Age.
Dr. Greger gives an unprecedented look at the challenges, triumphs, and nearly unrivaled amount of research that went into publishing a work that originally contained 13,000 citations.
Learn the effects food can have on aging, how to slow down the aging process, and Dr. Greger’s inspiration for writing an unabridged health guide thick enough to satisfy the most inquisitive nutrition mind.
In an Exam Room Podcast exclusive, he also reveals what his next major project may be!
You will hear Dr. Greger like never before when he joins “The Weight Loss Champion” Chuck Carroll on The Exam Room Podcast live from Planted Expo in Toronto.
Also on this episode
- Coffee may lead to a longer life
- Give your body a spring cleaning
- Spermidine effects on longevity
- Top foods for spermidine
- Pizza breakdown: Does cheese or pepperoni age you faster?
- Why Dr. Greger loves wheat germ
- What Dr. Greger added to his diet after writing How Not To Age
- Dr. Greger’s top-ranked plant friendly European country
- Advice for living healthy following chemotherapy and radiation
- High protein diet, weightlifting, and longevity
- And more!
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When my Dad was 95 he fell off his bicycle in 20 degree weather (after riding 21 miles) and broke his hip. While in the hospital they offered him fish and chips and banana cream pie for dinner. He was so disgusted, I ended up cooking for him and bringing it into the hospital for 10 wks till he could come home. The only healthy meal was breakfast where he was offered oatmeal and an orange. Hospitals need to step up their game.
Oatmeal is one of the most processed foods there is, I am not really sure its so healthy, has it been tested after its made?
Dr. Greger cited flax seed oil for arthritic knees....so I tried it, not imagining that there could be any relief to my aching arthritic knees. However, the flax seed oil almost immediately took the pain away from my knees!!!!!!!!!! I am using it still with excellent results. God bless you, Dr. Greger!!!!!!!!
Can I ask how much? And how often? I've got a friend with severe knee pain. Thank you ❤
Flax oil is omega 3 which decreases inflammation and that's why it worked.
With regard to the lady asking how much, Dr brooke goldner starts with 3 tablespoons a day I believe, and increases as necessary.
Dr. Goldner gets rid of pretty much all health conditions known to man with her raw vegan diet, but specialises in autoimmune conditions, of which arthritis is one. For information, watch her wellness wednesday episodes on youtube, which she started doing at the end of 2022 every Wednesday.
Do you mind telling me how much oil you take? Is it just a dropper or do you add to food. I’m Whole Foods plant based and healthy except for painful arthritis in my hands.
@@robinsaxophone232 The chapter explains to apply 20 drops to the affected joint and rub it in 3 times a day. It also lists sesame oil and extra-virgin olive oil for similar results. With sesame oil, the test was done with hot compress-it may be worthwhile to get the book for reference. If you are only interested in this section you could check it out from library. I checked out the kindle version and having fun looking up various topics😊
@@tammywade3649I replied to the other person with the same question with what I found in the book.
I REALLY hope Dr. Greger will be able to write his book on cancer! Such a needed contribution to this world!
There's a huge amount of stress in my life that I can't control so it's heartening to hear from Dr Greger that I can still live a long and healthy life provided I take care of what I eat. I have been WFPB and slim for over 4 years now and it's increased my quality of life (and mood/mental health) no end. I look good and am healthy for the first time in my life at 58. I've just finished reading Dr Greger's How not to Age, very clearly written so don't be put off by the scientific content. Bottom line: just eat a variety of whole plant food, that's the best you can do to live a long, healthy and happier life.
Stress weakens the immune system by reducing the vitamin c levels. Alcohol, nicotine and sugar also reduce vitamin c. Nobody ever gets ill from anything if their vitamin c level is high enough.
Same here. Being a late diagnosed autistic, I have suffered so much stress and have even had physical issues due to it, that I thought even my lifespan would be affected. But I always mantained my health habits, so this is reassuring to hear.
Dude I would be honored if greger was my science teacher when I was a kid. ❤❤❤ We need teachers like this. That love their craft.
Few and far between.
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Why? Dude is just another propagandist cheating his audience into eating unnatural, unhealthy, sprayed with pesticides and other toxins "food". You would like to be brainwashed like that already in your childhood?
I love dr. Gregor!! I have bought every book he has written and have NEVER been disappointed. The man's a genius ❤
You have all his books but please, check his real name on the cover 😂
Chuck you are a master interviewer. Thank you for your skills.
Wish he’d do a child focused one covering nutrition, breastfeeding, mental health, all the health related research. People are hugely motivated to make nutritional and lifestyle changes when they start having kids, and they’re raising the next generation of eaters!
I am a 63 year old cancer survivor. (went through surgery, chemo and radiation) I can honesty say that I have never felt better since I went WFPB. I had been a vegetarian---but giving up dairy made a HUGE difference to me. I feel great! I so hope Dr. Greger can write a book about cancer. I would pre order it!
Dr Gregor has taught me so much💕 his work is genius.
My favorite plant based heroes ❤🎉🎉
Good on you for making them come to you...About time. Thank you Dr Greger for ....I have been plant-based for 7 years now because of you and now from living this way have changed over 2 family members. One for 1 year....One for 6 years. Just from setting the example. ...Love what you do and so appreciate it more then you know. Terri from Australia 🇦🇺 🦘 💜
You can tell this book is for young people. Because the print is very small. I have gotten more from these interviews and now have my Brazil nut every morning. I have my teaspoon of Ceylon cinnamon, I put cacao in my coffee,fat with my greens, having my black cumin, berries every morning. We started eating plant-based 21/2 years ago. I am 83 and my husband is 99. I have the how not to age book and like it for reference but difficult to read tiny type. I didn’t like Kindle for reading it.
Yes, he needs a large print edition
I found his audiobook a great listen. I bought the text for charts, etc.
I am 62 and also found the print too small, even with my glasses, but the book would have been double in size if the print was larger, so I get why it was small.
you shouldn’t eat a brazil nut every day, just four a month; i think you misunderstood him about the brazil nuts
Magnifying glasses are pretty large these days and aren't very expensive.
I’d take his class in a heartbeat!!!! ❤❤❤❤
One of the most brilliant doctors of all time!!
Fantastic episode Chuck!
Dr Greger is one of my nutritional heroes and teachers.
Just loved this free flowing conversation 💚🌱
Chuck Carrol knows the game - just keep’em talking. People like Michael Greger, Neil Barnard, Peter Rogers, John McDougall, etc. have too much knowledge to dispense in one interview. The longer the better. Just keep them talking. Great job, Chuck 👊🏼
Michael Greger is awesome! ❤
As a cancer survivor, I am disappointed with Dr. Gregor's publisher rejecting his cancer book proposal.
Having had several people in my family affected by cancer, I’m offended by cancer “research” fundraising. What a scam. Congratulation of overcoming such an awful condition. Proud of you.
Me too! I heard him say that was his next project and I was so excited. Especially since my cancer type has a high chance of recurrence.
You might find dr. Peter Roger's lectures on cancer interesting as well.
I can’t even. This is the saturday night ”flick” I chose and it did not disappoint. I love both of you but dr Greger has a special place in my heart. I am so happy now. 😍♥️😍♥️
38:55 If you were on a desert island and you had to choose between mcdonalds or kangaroo meat... eat the coconuts.
Dr. Gregor, PLEASE do the CANCER book! Fire that publisher!
He is so funny I love his audio books
Great interview! These kind of conversations that’s filled with great information for our health should be aired on prime time tv. Not every one watches TH-cam nor follow medical advice on social media networks. I’m always watching and learning. Thank you for sharing this information
Dr Greger...I am madly in love with you! Your biggest fan! Thank you for all that you do! Your books and videos have changed my life and I love your sense of humor! Thank you, thank you thank you!
I think Dr G should have a show in Las Vegas!
Dr Greger is single! He’s a catch….so smart and healthy!
I love you Dr Gregor! Thanks for filling our brains with healthy knowledge!
I was there and got to hear you both speak! Awesome time was had by all. Thank you for so much! K
Yes! To the cancer book!!!
Such a great interview! ❤
Hey, I love Chuck Carroll and really love Dr. Michael Gregor. I listen to Physicians Committee and always listen to Dr Gregor. I love that you've done this for Grandmother. I have been a Vegan for a long time and I'm glad you put it to the test. Love you both, Sindy Thank you for your education.❤❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
As 71 years young, fit and healthy female, I d rather stay single, then to start compromising my health and well being. Most men close to my age, are not healthy anymore and have lost their gest for life. To bad for them... what a sad way to go 😢
Amazing lecture 🎉 thanks
"Juicy things about random plants" turn me on! I would take your classes! I have a copy of How Not to Age. I haven't done the Book Club, and haven't read it all yet. Something to look forward to.
This was a nice talk. I'm a big fan of Dr. Greger and the Exam Room podcast/TH-cam channel. I'd like to add my thoughts on why so many people choose 80-years-old as the time they'd like to die, as I'm one of them. So not everyone wants to live forever, or even to 100. There are those of us who can't wait until this life is over with. The thought of having to live with the advanced stages of climate change and the extreme heat is very scary. Not everyone is wealthy, and the thought of having to work until 70 and beyond really sucks. The thought of having to live in a theocratic fascist society is super depressing. Having to live among those with a disgustingly large amount of wealth, while so many of us have to toil away in jobs we hate and with incomes that barely pay the bills is incredibly unfair and gross. And on and on. So yeah, many of us just want to hit 80 and die and get out of this crappy existence and be done with it all.
Please do the cancer book. It's important.
Dr Gregor, you have a wonderful personality ❤❤❤
I wish I could hang out with dr. greger 😭
Dr Greger at his best …
Dr. Greger is the greatest evidence-based cheerleader in the known universe.
T Colin Campbell pushes nothing but facts. One of our great researchers.
I wish Dr. Greger would do a book all on gut health and related issues. That is an area that doctors metal in and make people worse all the time. Just the way they prescribe PPI medication for heartburn causes so many problems
Please do a book on cancer and prevention. In my immediate family 3 had cancer, two died since, from cancer.
Both of Dr Gregor and the interviewer look good, lean, healthy.
Just to let you know, the interviewer is Chuck Carroll who is the host of The Exam Room Podcast and he and Dr. Neil Barnard have the Physicians Committee on TH-cam. You should check it out. 😊He use to be 275lbs overweight. Then he went plant based. I learnt so much from him and Dr. Barnard. I’ve been vegan now for 5 yrs. Dr. Gregor is great too.
The publisher is crazy for thinking the cancer book wouldn't be a best seller.
Greger is one heck of funny guy!
Thank you Chuck, love your work
I’m reading how no to diet now from the library
I agree Chuck!!!!! Those commercials drive me batty. I wish i could tell viewers to give plants a chance instead of medication......
I have just finished reading the book! Definitely following that science.
Dr. Gregor is so funny.
....He'd be a great professor .....!!...🤓
I have read how not to diet, I am currently reading how not to die, and I will surely pick up how not to age.
#VeganForLife ❤
My idol
I hope you do the cancer book.
I was so fortunate to watch his 4 part book study series….i screen shot the conclusions……I can’t believe the publisher made him cut the most useful part of his book! For those of us who don’t read all the research etc or take a long time to get around to it we can just look at those conclusions and recommendations to put it into practice…..I’d be looking at a different publisher….the one you’re using just doesn’t get it!
Wish you were in london
His new book is really good!
Loves it!
Anyone that wrote down the foods!
This is my passion 100% raw!
Never bern drinking or trying cigarettes!
Not even tried coffe, energy drinks or coffein! 😁
I only drink 100% coconut water!
Very proud!
I am from Europe (North/Eastern part of it) and what I see happening in USA with health and food industry - it's really trerribly sad. Here we can buy all kind of produce, whole food plant based products almost on every corner, also ecological. On top of that there is buch of e-shops, where you can buy all kind of products for your daily dosen, etc etc. And it is cheap.
Towards the beginning of this video, Dr Greger talks about being in the theater in Phoenixville, PA, where part of the Blob was filmed. I worked at Phoenixville Hospital 40 years ago. I have vague recollections of the topic of the Blob coming up when I worked there.
Fabulous
Thanks Chuck for bleeping the bad language. Dr. Gregor is usually more professional than that. I’ve read every single one of his books and really appreciate all the research he does, but he should remain professional so that he can reach a wider audience.
You’ll find that BS has replaced crap as a word. Which was trash or whatever before. Good or bad that’s where it’s going.💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Please give Dr. Greger some slack. He keeps a horrific traveling schedule and likely is often lacking sleep.
@@kittykat717That's not an excuse for anyone.
Any plans of coming to the Chicago or Milwaukee area?
Oh the shame the only mention New Zealand gets is being the only other country that allows direct to consumer advertising of drugs 😢
New Zealand government is now moving to ban advertising directly to consumers. If that happens, the US will be the only country that allows such advertising.
Denmark is amazing, they take such good care of their people (of course, they wouldn't do everything perfect as Danes will tell me, but as outsider looking in..).
You don’t have to be in a classroom to teach. Buddha was a teacher.💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
AMAZING episode! Strawberries beeing boosted in my routine now :)...Didnt know about Denmark; cool...I leave in The Netherlands, in Wageningen. The University has plenty vegan food; whole plant foods...its spreading!
I have found that using SMART GOALS can really help change your habits
Question, I lalso listen to Dr. William Li, an Angiogenic Food Scientist and he says eggs can be healthy as well as seafood. ? Whats the story. Again, I'm a vegan...but what's the story? Thank you 🎉😊❤😊😊😊
How much research was done on the happiness/depression factor? Sounds odd to me. Studies show that (for example) people with ACEs (adverse childhood experiences) die 20 percent sooner than their peers. Are you attributing that 20 percent to poor life choices? An old (ex) friend used to cry to me in our 20s that her father was killing himself with his alcoholism and chain smoking. Literally cry. My parents, her mother, and all the adult friends are all gone now except for her father, who never stressed anything and didn't mind upsetting others with his habits. He's well into his 90s now. That said, I'm all vegan, do yoga and lift weights. I feel pretty well but I've had health issues and wonder if my alcoholic narcissist neighbor who eats meat all the time will live longer than me because he has no conscious, no empathy.
Yes! Diet is important, but stress and trauma are also huge. Source: My 9 ACE score life experience.
Stress can cause us to prepare less, take less care for our environment and cram whatever we see in our mouths, all which lead us to making unhealthy choices. People have been dealing with stress for a very long time. Much more than today in many, many ways. I’ll take a more stressful life and a healthier lifestyle any day. Although stress to the body does deplete magnesium, and we all know the effects of low magnesium. You’re going to outlive your neighbor. Just look both ways before crossing the street and stay inside if you hear gunshots. If you’re eating pretty well and still running into health hurdles, you may enjoy Peter Rogers MD’s TH-cam channel. I was 60% there but now I see things more clearly. Simplicity. I was missing the simplicity. Stay well, friend.
@@bitfinesse What an interesting minimization of chronic stress and trauma. You do you, boo.
A 50 yr old who looks 60, talking about longevity. I better get his book , cuz I don’t get it .
@@bitfinesse Thanks.
Stool volume presses on the prostrate and may cause ejection. Doubt one day would make you more verile, but it can cause more in the toilet.
Dr. Greger cracks me up when he talks about women's arousal. "Forest fire" lol
They were eating tulip bulbs in the Netherlands during the occupation and hunger winter.
I was in Kokomo, Indiana working when McDonalds converted a location to sit down dining with waitstaff and a healthier menu (2004?). One of the managers switched to another location and got sick (from eating too much McDonald's and junk food). I think the converted location switched back (and healthier food considered a bussiness failure?).
I once read years ago that Kokomo, Indiana had the highest per capita fast food restaurants of any town in the USA.
we old folks do not want the bs, youngsters. at 78, lets get it straight
Yes, there is no physical measurable data that stressed meat is worse. Doesn't mean that it isn't as there are also non-physical forces involved. But as a Dr. Grerer can't say that, even if he would believe it - I doubt he does though.
Good man still, doing a yeoman's job in preventive health care, which should be the no.1 branch of Medicine - without medicine.
I love this guy!!! Hahahaha
🙏♥️♥️♥️Always interesting to follow research based life style - and in this interesting interview I especially remarked the testing of the inflammatory index of foods - and detailsalg as eating spermidine found in beans and of course the 60 Minute moderate activity like brisk walking sounds also as an easy and very attractive advice to me 🍀💚😊
Im glad for the interview...but with such limited time...yet huge amount of knowledge that we want to learn...why would you spend nearly half the time on frivolous questions in which we only get to watch you both trying to be amusing?
I do
I am NOT a vegan BUT I have 2 of Dr Gregers book. I believe in what he says EXCEPT add some gress fed beef, wild caught salomon and pastured raised eggs. If he gets tired of being a doctor he could go on a comedy roadshow with Dr Brooke Goldner.
You don't have to be. They don't promote veganism even though they acknowledge it.
You can eat animal protein less than 10% of your overall diet per day. Only 10% or under. Exceeding 10% per day will turn on cancer growth ❤. Read The China Study
Brooke and greger would make hilarious comedians ❤
Give it to us NutritionFacts style. Show us your best randomized double-blind placebo-controlled studies showing the benefit of grass fed beef, wild caught salmon, and pasteurized eggs.
@@artwillvideos The studies were done 2500 years ago by Confucius and more recently updated by 6 real Ph.D's in nutritional biochemistry with awards and honors and or a Nobel Prize with a long term track record of being right such as Roger J. Williams, Frederick Gowland Hopkins, Fred Kummerow, George H. Whipple, William Parry Murphy, Edward Adelbert Doisy, all 6 would said that single ingredient meat, poultry, fish and eggs are good for you in moderation and that dairy is ok in small amounts if you like it and are not allergic to it but a human is an omnivore and they should still consume a balanced diet in the basic 4 food groups.
I’d have to defer to Peter Rogers MD’s TH-cam channel on this one. He’s the biochemistry king. Blew my mind of fructose being transported through the portal vein from the small intestine to the liver, entering glycolysis at the four-carbon stage, overwhelming the liver and being stored as fat. Rogers knows his stuff. Great illustrations as well. I need illustrations.
24:00 actually talking with holocaust survivors - I did notice that even though they lacked food - they ate so many of the discards that're healthier than the desired food - like vegetables - then they ended up being healthier and with fewer ills than being in the holocaust in certain ways. Of course that little bit of a health boost isn't going to overcome the starvation that was worse than not eating, but because it was fasting and eating healthier options - that was a health boost strangely enough among the unhealthiness of starvation - it's like a (making up numbers here) - 20% lifespan boost for an 80% chance of dying from it. Is this why some holocaust survivors live really long? I feel as dr greger says - it's likely the lack of the impacts of the brca 1 gene that helps, but maybe with those that did survive, the vegetables and fasting led to some longevity too. I don't believe it's really long lived, because of the desires to not remember the trauma - and go back to what wasn't forced upon them, but I bet that little bit of time could've had lasting effects of longevity on top of everything else if they didn't outright die from going in a veg-fasting direction. As Dr. Greger says - if it's not forced - then it could lead to longevity, but if it's forced - then it could lead to starvation - because if we're not in control, then we could suffer greatly.
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Planted Expo is this weekend in Seattle, WA! Excited to see these 2 there
Is freeze dried strawberry powder same as eating fresh strawberries in terms of nutrients?
It is pretty close. Fresh picked is best of course, but we can't all have that. Freeze dried has many benefits similar, if frozen soon after picked.
Oatmeal is one of the most processed foods there is, I am not really sure its so healthy, has it been tested after its made? I also noticed people still use micro-waves, has food been tested after using it, say, put in a sweet potato and see if there is any healthy value left!!!!!!
Eating more so he can give you on aromatase inhibitor effect. You have two receptors alpha and beta, and it tends to work on the beta more than the alpha. The reason that people who eat more soy that are women tend to have less problems with breast cancer, not more.👍🏼🤙🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Is it true that soy is not good for your thyroid?
24:00 I wonder if there were any studies on holocaust survivors about the health benefits gained from the fasting and vegetable eating out there and the return to unhealthy lifestyles when they left - maybe dr greger's hinting at something?
Dr. Gregor, I enjoy listening to you speak and believe what you have to say is worth listening to. But with all due respect, I could have appreciated this talk without your foul language, profanity, and taking the Lord's name in vain. In short, if you're going to make your living speaking in public, you'd better learn to clean up your language.
How not to age and he looks 65? How old is he ?
I hope you don't fall out of your chair reading this, but he is ONLY 51-years-old.
I thought He was 60😢
Me too!!
WAIT!!!! Dr. Greger is single??????!!!!!!!!!!
Hahaha..If the little green men and the crystals tell you to eat more leafy greens, well ok then..listen to the little green men and crystals..
Great point taken.. whacky diagnostic tests and why do it if the prescription is the same..
Eat more whole foods plant based.. like duh!! Lol
Yeow!💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Cancer is about as niche as having feet. Get another publisher. Good grief.
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People who have to use curse words and bleeped out words with no sense of humor forgot to read this 2012 study: Vegetarians displayed elevated prevalence rates for depressive disorders, anxiety disorders and somatoform disorders. Due to the matching procedure, the findings cannot be explained by socio-demographic characteristics of vegetarians (e.g. higher rates of females, predominant residency in urban areas, high proportion of singles). The analysis of the respective ages at adoption of a vegetarian diet and onset of a mental disorder showed that the adoption of the vegetarian diet tends to follow the onset of mental disorders.
Seeing that we’re living in a world designed to make us fat and sick for profits while pretending pills and surgeries make everything better might be enough to make all who see it appear and sound mentally unstable.
@@bitfinesse But these people are not fat and sick they are slim and health conscious. 2014 study "Our results revealed that a vegetarian diet is related to a lower BMI and less frequent alcohol consumption. Moreover, our results showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with poorer health (higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life. Therefore, public health programs are needed in order to reduce the health risk due to nutritional factors."
I can offer a possible reason - many become vegetarian or vegan because they discover how animals are treated, watch videos on youtube of them being killed, having their babies taken off them for milk etc. That is so depressing, and once you know/see it with your own eyes, it is not easy to stop caring about it. Knowing that it goes on continually and you cannot do anything to stop it. When you care so much and are helpless to do anything meaningful it impacts mental health. It's a huge burden to deal with daily because it's all around you, the truth of what goes on - tv, shops etc you are constantly exposed to the reminder of the cruelty that you wish you could stop in the world. Compassion burnout!
@@VFNVFNVFN I have many farms where I live and you can bring a camera because I don't see any animals being treated badly, perhaps you are talking about factory farms but you don't have to buy that stuff. 100% of all vegans who buy the majority of their food in a public supermarket are responsible for more killing of animals and destroying the environment than those people who grow their own omnivore food of their own choices on their own property. Tell everyone you know not to mow their lawn because the tires and blades are killing millions of living creatures, and don't put bed sheets in the clothes dryer because they are killing millions of microscopic dust mites, don't walk on the sidewalk since you are crushing various tiny insects. However, please tell your friends to get termite treatment for their home because if those termites eat the structure of their home no insurance will cover the cost.
So publishers won’t sell as many books if it’s on cancer so he writes book on different subject ?! Very disappointing 😢
can't help myself...gotta comment on the "form." is it just me, or does the interviewer seem... bored? or i think i'm picking up on a rift between these two? or maybe the doc is a bit too doctor-ly? ya know, kinda suffering from a doctor's ego, maybe? the two just don't seem to be connecting.