So many occult collectors that never participated in social media. I have video of a huge machine shop like that I visited last year, the whole upstairs was the guy's collection, An entire city block. Haven't taken the time to edit it yet.
That's kind of an erudite use of the word "occult." But googling for "occult collectors" isn't going to come up with anything like what you saw! Obscure? Esoteric(a)? Hidden? Curiosity?
@@patrickcardon1643 Pretty much everything in my collection I picked up from the sidewalk, e-waste or given by friends. Does that make me a free collector? 😀 More or less by accident I found out that some of the VCRs I have are super rare and valuable as are a few of my antique computers and video game consoles (plus of course a few one-offs I made myself like TinyPONG, 0D-PONG or that video doorbell that I put a PONG chip and batteries into and called it DingPong. At least my Wrectrex is somewhat known. Could it be that PONG fell out of fashion?) Also I do participate (a little) in social media, yet pretty much no one knows me.
My dad was a TV broadcast engineer from the early days and we had a CTC 5 in mahogany finish when I was a kid. Not many were to be had in those days since color was a rarity. I was the only kid on the block with a color TV!!
When I worked for RCA Service Co. we had access to a conversion kit that allowed the metal cone CRT to be changed to an all glass 21CYP22 CRT. We used to change them in the field in customer's homes. It was a rather daunting task though. Too bad the yoke plastic cover is disintegrating. As you said, it is a common failure area on lots of old sets. Good luck with this one!
Those are some *awesome* scores, especially the CTC 5! Shango, in one of his videos, had the high-voltage cage open on an operating 1960's-era color set he was working on. He held a new Geiger counter up to it and it went insane. Considering this set's lack of protective safety features, it makes me wonder how intense the X-radiation that 1950's-era color RCA set emits if one gets too close to it. Necessary exposure should be minimized absolutely to determining its operational status and the necessary IF, screen geometry, color-burst adjustments, etc.
Well, this was the reason there WAS a cage, although the X-ray hardness went up with CRT high voltage and it was possible, if the shunt regulator was not working or set right, for the CRT voltage to rise well past 25 kV and for harder X-rays to be generated when CRT current was very low or zero. Harder X-rays, in turn, penetrate shielding better. Newer shunt regulators had lead added to their glass to mitigate X-ray production. There's no need to run with the cage open unless inspecting visually or by smell (or sound?) for corona. But it is a good radiation safety measure to verify that the HV is not at a crazy high level. Some "newer" sets can pump it up, I've heard, near 40 kV.
Studies showed that as long as the HV of the set is not above the rated voltage, the X-rays are relatively soft and fall as they exit the front of the CRT. The internal shadow mask stops most of them. As long as children are not lying right in front of the set, they will not be in any significant danger. Hospital X-ray equipment operates at much higher voltages and produces very strong rays.
I'm so glad you got that old color set! I look forward to watching you make it new again! I worked at a goodwill store back in the early '80s and took one just like it home, I remember the color was amazing but the picture crapped out when I tried to widen it so I put it out in the trash. (it was gone in 10 minutes!). I sure wish I had it now!
Wow! Congratulations Bob. Both of those sets are great finds. I prefer the blonde sets too. Dougs a great guy and knows a lot about the color sets. I miss his videos. Good to know hes still out there. Youre right about early color sets. I never see them come up for sale out here either.
Congratulations on this excellent find! Very similar porthole with likely the same chassis and 12LP4 as the one I got 2 years ago at the early TV convention.
Enjoyed the pictures at the end. For me it was an amalgamation of me and my late father's life. He was a maintenance fitter and worked with lathes and shapers and all other manner of heavy duty mechanical tools and machinery. For the early part of my career I was a Television Engineer. Not often you see those spheres of life together.
Had a ctc5 back in the day. It was originally my grandfather’s. It went through several households and lasted to about the turn of the century. It saw thousands and thousands of hours of use in its almost fifty years of service, and believe it or not, very few problems. I hope you get it going.
The cones on those metal cone CRTs were made by metal spinning, a process which is still largely done by hand and is nearly indispensable for certain types of products. The process can be quite dangerous, especially when the starting disk is relatively large.
I saw a early Dumont color castor years ago at my favorite parts supplier. His son said it was a 1948 remembered watching the Rose Parade on it as a kid sometime in the 50s. I think this was in the late 70s early 80s. It didn't work anymore but he wasn't to toss it. I'm sure Al Smith is long gone now and probably the house but who knows. Was a fun time to be doing TV stuff. I also remember seeing a 57 RCA color set actually playing with color barely in the mid 70s. People just wanted a cheap set that worked or they had one that was 20 years old they just kept watching till it wouldn't show a picture anymore.
thanks for the video..loved the old jukebox toward the end.guy was a prolific collector take a lifetime just to go over everything.good luck and will follow. John
The jukebox at the very end is nothing special. Its a modern knockoff of a wurlitzer 1015. The 1939 Mills Throne of Music is pretty rare though,although the Mills Empress is a far more beautiful machine in my opinion. Mills,like Seeburg, was based in Chicago Illinois.The AMI model D is also a fairly attractive machine and a great one for a nascent collector as they are a very simple and reliable mechanism to work on. Im curious what they are asking on them.
Blondes have more fun. In Bob's case it's the other way around! Great finds Bob. Might need to do a garage sale in the spring just to make room for your passion of vintage TVs.
Glad you saved the stuff. To most folks it would be dumpster fodder. You may be able to salvage some usable legs from a scrap cabinet--I think the screw threads and leg appearance was kinda generic for the style of cabinet.
I will be patiently waiting for testing the picture please explain a little when doing the test I could learn a bit. Love the old Collins and old National NC 183 on floor
I was reading about the 25AP22 yesterday and learned the 21AXP22/21CYP22 use a different phosphor for both green and red. Green uses zinc silicate and red uses zinc phosphate. Blue is zinc sulfide like normal. Red and green became zinc cadmium sulfide with the 21FBP22
I wasn't sure what to think with THAT title. Just kidding! You did get my attention and made me watch sooner than i might have. Great score! Love the CTC5. There's a guy here in WA that I believed got one of those going, but I'm wrong. He has or had a CTC4 and CTC7. You are very focused. I would have been REALLY distracted by the machine shop stuff.
I can't wait to see your technique on the limed oak finishes ! I have a blonde Zenith flashmatic needing only a touch-up of the finish. Wish you'ld encourge Mr. Harlan to start posting videos again. Fun vid as always !
Sweet Bob, that looks like a wonderland, tube radios and TV's everywhere sitting on top of machine shop equipment. Thanks for the help on the Majestic 1600B on the Antique Radio Forum. There I am Albatros1234.
There was some dude on TH-cam 10 years ago or so that re-blew tubes. Had the glass lathe an the furnaces... mid west somewhere in America. I hope you know at least when I'm talking about. He would literally cut out the old anodes put in a new rebuilt one and then glass weild... the man amazing
So many occult collectors that never participated in social media. I have video of a huge machine shop like that I visited last year, the whole upstairs was the guy's collection, An entire city block. Haven't taken the time to edit it yet.
Shango we’re do for an EOL on your channel 😊
That's kind of an erudite use of the word "occult." But googling for "occult collectors" isn't going to come up with anything like what you saw! Obscure? Esoteric(a)? Hidden? Curiosity?
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 You got free masons and they you got free collectors 😁
@@patrickcardon1643 Pretty much everything in my collection I picked up from the sidewalk, e-waste or given by friends. Does that make me a free collector? 😀
More or less by accident I found out that some of the VCRs I have are super rare and valuable as are a few of my antique computers and video game consoles (plus of course a few one-offs I made myself like TinyPONG, 0D-PONG or that video doorbell that I put a PONG chip and batteries into and called it DingPong. At least my Wrectrex is somewhat known. Could it be that PONG fell out of fashion?)
Also I do participate (a little) in social media, yet pretty much no one knows me.
I think shango066 is hinting that collecting this antique equipment is a sickness.
My dad was a TV broadcast engineer from the early days and we had a CTC 5 in mahogany finish when I was a kid. Not many were to be had in those days since color was a rarity. I was the only kid on the block with a color TV!!
When I worked for RCA Service Co. we had access to a conversion kit that allowed the metal cone CRT to be changed to an all glass 21CYP22 CRT. We used to change them in the field in customer's homes. It was a rather daunting task though. Too bad the yoke plastic cover is disintegrating. As you said, it is a common failure area on lots of old sets. Good luck with this one!
Those are some *awesome* scores, especially the CTC 5! Shango, in one of his videos, had the high-voltage cage open on an operating 1960's-era color set he was working on. He held a new Geiger counter up to it and it went insane. Considering this set's lack of protective safety features, it makes me wonder how intense the X-radiation that 1950's-era color RCA set emits if one gets too close to it. Necessary exposure should be minimized absolutely to determining its operational status and the necessary IF, screen geometry, color-burst adjustments, etc.
Well, this was the reason there WAS a cage, although the X-ray hardness went up with CRT high voltage and it was possible, if the shunt regulator was not working or set right, for the CRT voltage to rise well past 25 kV and for harder X-rays to be generated when CRT current was very low or zero. Harder X-rays, in turn, penetrate shielding better. Newer shunt regulators had lead added to their glass to mitigate X-ray production.
There's no need to run with the cage open unless inspecting visually or by smell (or sound?) for corona. But it is a good radiation safety measure to verify that the HV is not at a crazy high level. Some "newer" sets can pump it up, I've heard, near 40 kV.
Studies showed that as long as the HV of the set is not above the rated voltage, the X-rays are relatively soft and fall as they exit the front of the CRT. The internal shadow mask stops most of them. As long as children are not lying right in front of the set, they will not be in any significant danger. Hospital X-ray equipment operates at much higher voltages and produces very strong rays.
I'm so glad you got that old color set! I look forward to watching you make it new again! I worked at a goodwill store back in the early '80s and took one just like it home, I remember the color was amazing but the picture crapped out when I tried to widen it so I put it out in the trash. (it was gone in 10 minutes!). I sure wish I had it now!
Wow! Congratulations Bob. Both of those sets are great finds. I prefer the blonde sets too. Dougs a great guy and knows a lot about the color sets. I miss his videos. Good to know hes still out there.
Youre right about early color sets. I never see them come up for sale out here either.
GRRRRRRRRRRREAT! Tony the Tiger would approve! Beautiful!
I got my CTC-5 working.
Hey bob, I think I'm as excited as you are to see that CTC 5 actually work. Good luck with both of them I love the blonde finish
Congratulations on this excellent find! Very similar porthole with likely the same chassis and 12LP4 as the one I got 2 years ago at the early TV convention.
Wow! That guy's place looks amazing.
Wow, very cool! I really miss Doug’s videos, he’s such a knowledgeable person and a great guy.
Yes, was a big help today and he has exactly the same RCA color set.
@@bandersentvDid he have his 1960 Chevy when you saw him?
Enjoyed the pictures at the end. For me it was an amalgamation of me and my late father's life. He was a maintenance fitter and worked with lathes and shapers and all other manner of heavy duty mechanical tools and machinery. For the early part of my career I was a Television Engineer. Not often you see those spheres of life together.
Had a ctc5 back in the day. It was originally my grandfather’s. It went through several households and lasted to about the turn of the century. It saw thousands and thousands of hours of use in its almost fifty years of service, and believe it or not, very few problems. I hope you get it going.
The cones on those metal cone CRTs were made by metal spinning, a process which is still largely done by hand and is nearly indispensable for certain types of products. The process can be quite dangerous, especially when the starting disk is relatively large.
These are both cool, especially that lovely CTC 5 colour set!
I saw a early Dumont color castor years ago at my favorite parts supplier. His son said it was a 1948 remembered watching the Rose Parade on it as a kid sometime in the 50s. I think this was in the late 70s early 80s. It didn't work anymore but he wasn't to toss it. I'm sure Al Smith is long gone now and probably the house but who knows. Was a fun time to be doing TV stuff. I also remember seeing a 57 RCA color set actually playing with color barely in the mid 70s. People just wanted a cheap set that worked or they had one that was 20 years old they just kept watching till it wouldn't show a picture anymore.
thanks for the video..loved the old jukebox toward the end.guy was a prolific collector take a lifetime just to go over everything.good luck and will follow.
John
The jukebox at the very end is nothing special. Its a modern knockoff of a wurlitzer 1015. The 1939 Mills Throne of Music is pretty rare though,although the Mills Empress is a far more beautiful machine in my opinion. Mills,like Seeburg, was based in Chicago Illinois.The AMI model D is also a fairly attractive machine and a great one for a nascent collector as they are a very simple and reliable mechanism to work on. Im curious what they are asking on them.
Blondes have more fun. In Bob's case it's the other way around! Great finds Bob. Might need to do a garage sale in the
spring just to make room for your passion of vintage TVs.
Glad you saved the stuff. To most folks it would be dumpster fodder. You may be able to salvage some usable legs from a scrap cabinet--I think the screw threads and leg appearance was kinda generic for the style of cabinet.
I will be patiently waiting for testing the picture please explain a little when doing the test I could learn a bit. Love the old Collins and old National NC 183 on floor
Nice score.
I was reading about the 25AP22 yesterday and learned the 21AXP22/21CYP22 use a different phosphor for both green and red. Green uses zinc silicate and red uses zinc phosphate. Blue is zinc sulfide like normal. Red and green became zinc cadmium sulfide with the 21FBP22
I wasn't sure what to think with THAT title. Just kidding! You did get my attention and made me watch sooner than i might have. Great score! Love the CTC5. There's a guy here in WA that I believed got one of those going, but I'm wrong. He has or had a CTC4 and CTC7. You are very focused. I would have been REALLY distracted by the machine shop stuff.
We all knew it was furniture.
I can't wait to see your technique on the limed oak finishes ! I have a blonde Zenith flashmatic needing only a touch-up of the finish. Wish you'ld encourge Mr. Harlan to start posting videos again. Fun vid as always !
Oh well I don't really have one. I've experimented on scraps but never touched up a cabinet.
Sweet Bob, that looks like a wonderland, tube radios and TV's everywhere sitting on top of machine shop equipment. Thanks for the help on the Majestic 1600B on the Antique Radio Forum. There I am Albatros1234.
Sure. I just posted a link to the Riders 1600B service info in your ARF thread.
@@bandersentv Thanks, Radiomuseum has me cockblocked with their 3 per day or 10 per 30 days BS. So, I am still missing some pages of the Photofact.
Blondie Menage a Trois 😛 Nice find.
her legs are too short
It's possible to use a 12LP4 in the place of a 12UP4 but you'd probably have to modify the chassis somewhat.
There was some dude on TH-cam 10 years ago or so that re-blew tubes.
Had the glass lathe an the furnaces...
mid west somewhere in America.
I hope you know at least when I'm talking about.
He would literally cut out the old anodes put in a new rebuilt one and then glass weild... the man amazing
Hawkeye. He closed down about 15 years ago. Last rebuilder in America
I see sets like those go in the shredder where I work no one is allowed to salvage
I'm surprised. It's a rare thing to find sets like these around here.
Hello here is theRodio and TV Museum Germany.
Pretty sure amizon has wooden tapered legs
If you saw a rca ct100 chassis and a prewar 1930set made by rca at a transfer station would you take it if there is a sign no salvageing
Prewar set, yes, without hesitation. CT100 maybe not. They really aren't worth much unless the CRT is good.
@bandersentv even if you could face a felony
Well I don't know the specifics. Figure a prewar set is worth 10+ grand.
Nice! You can fit a lot more in that garage 😎 Are they selling the other TVs shown in your pics?
Yes, everything is for sale
I'm minutes from Midway and need more cool stuff too.
5315 w 63rd street
Across from Midway Airport. I think they'll be there tomorrow.
Very chromatic color era.
in my dreams, though i usually prefer brunettes.
You wish