Geisha vs Oiran: What's the Difference? 花魁と芸者の違い
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- If you're looking for Japanese culture, Asakusa in Tokyo is the top spot. On this day, John visits the Yoshiwara for the Oiran Dochu, a parade re-enacted annually to preserve the old traditions of the neighborhood. The event is attracting more visitors and it's time to explain exactly what you're seeing!
Geisha vs Oiran: What's the difference?
I ask Grigoris Miliaresis, a journalist living and studying Asakusa and historical Japanese culture.
The faces may be white, but the wig, hair ornaments, kimono, colors, even feet are totally different!
How much was a night with an oiran?
According to Grigoris, it cost 1 year's salary for a normal worker!
The Orian were not your usual prostitutes in the western sense.
* Oiran choose their clients
* Oiran met 3 times with a new client before anything “romantic” occurred.
* The were as talented as geisha in the arts and, because they had extravagant dress and style, Oiran were like the movie stars, the pin up girls for men.
Does this make them better than geisha?
Perhaps.
The Oiran Dochu is held on the first Saturday in April every year.
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The main stage is a 5 to 10 minute walk north of Sensoji Temple.
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There are still real Tayu in Japan, and they do not wear wigs. It's their real hair. They are highly respected because they have dedicated their lives to tradition. The way they entertain customers is way different then a normal Geisha as well. They even have a dance that geisha are not allowed to perform. It's for Tayu only.
You are correct they are called TAYU-DIVA and they reside only in a sector of Kyoto they are rarely seen in public, also not a chance a normal person would ever come in contact with one unless they are of high stature and wealth. I find this video somewhat offensive given the lack of respect shown to full Geisha yet alone PROPER TAYU of Kyoto.
Wow. I really wanna explore japan.
there are lots of groups that maintain tradition even now they are small its not that strange ~
@@Dave_McKee why you would never see a geisha outside.
@@stephaniecrews8011 I did not say a Geisha I specifically said a Tayu.
I know an easier way to tell Geishas and Oirans. Geishas Obis are always tied in the back while Oirans are tied in the front.
is that because the Oiran are prostitutes, and that they can't be bothered to put the obi on and off all the time?
+• jk as in jungkookie • That is correct.
it's also easier for their clients to take off their Obi when it's tied at the front
I found out about this from memoirs of a geisha
memoirs of a geisha is actually very misleading, there are some details in the movie that are incorrect and inconsistent to reality. Such as in the movie geishas are wrongly portrayed as basically prostitutes, but in reality geishas are not prostitutes, they are entertainers who sing, dance, play instruments, engage in conversations and basically just entertain their clients, they do not have sex with their clients. That's one of the big misconceptions about geishas, they're always wrongly portrayed as prostitutes in movies & TV shows.
i can't imagine how tired the star of the parade was. she was wearing a 30 kilogram costume and she needs to wear those high heels and walk 400 meters. i hope she got payed accordingly for all of it.
Always.
Well, 400 meters is not *that* far and 30 kilograms not *that* heavy, especially when the weight is distributed around your body.
And it's not always about money. Keeping your people's history and tradition alive is an honour for people who take pride in their culture. You can't understand that if your part of a culture that's fairly new.
@@elle-iza You can't be proud of something you didn't accomplish but was handed down to you upon birth. You can feel awe or inspired by it, but certainly not pride.
@@phishcatt Who are you to tell me what I can and can't be proud of? :)
Maybe you're simply not aware, but the definition of some terms vary, depending on the cultural glasses through which you look at them. And there is a thing called "national pride" in many countries (what's 'patriotism' to you Americans).
But thanks for the shortsighted lecture. :)
Elle-Iza Logan
Though 1 full year salary for 1 night is a pretty hefty sum
The effort to preserve ancient tradition makes Japan so unique and beautiful. Kitsune sama (Fox) seems so popular in Japan. I know wild deer freely roam in Nara are regarded as messenger of Gods. Wild foxes are also treated well in Japan's Fox Village. There are many shrines about foxes such as Inaritaisha in Kyoto. Mr. John, perhaps will you investigate about these Japan's spiritual animals and stories behind them. It would be very interesting! Thank you xx
Vreede Anna YES! That's a great idea to focus on the animals here in Japan. I know the SNOW MONKEYS are very popular and my good friend Art made a short video on it: th-cam.com/video/HOuiI9N5miY/w-d-xo.html
I will definitely be leaving Tokyo and focusing on the other fantastic places around this amazing country! Thanks for the idea!! I'll see if I can develop it. -John
Awww thank you!!
This is why magpies using L back to front to hide the down syndrome there that's why they used to toy spring to cover the stairs situations and then got complicated
I sick and tired of trying to explain so many cover ups as I'm skilled for health? 😭😂
In Zashiki, Oiran sat on the upper seat, and the guest was always sitting on the lower seat. Oiran class prostitutes were higher than guests. The first party (the first time), oiran sat in a place away from the customer, did not eat or drink regardless of customers. At this time, the customers were conditioned and could not associate with Oiran if they were deemed unsuitable. From the early childhood, Oiran candidates were thoroughly educated as classics and calligraphy, tea ceremony, Japanese poetry, koto, shamisen, Go and other entertainment since as Kamuro. To Oiran, many famous people of the day, including samurai and wealthy townspeople, also attended, and Yoshiwara had the appearance of a cultural salon. In Edo that was tolerant to sex, Oiran existed as an incarnation representing female beauty, the highest grade character and standing behavior were required, and it existed as a symbol of Edo's mature culture as Ukiyoe prints by famous painters.
Was about to say the same thing
they have white painted face because during 800 electricity doesn't exist, yet. So, they painted their face white to show better their face at the light of candles and lanterns during the night
Nice video, very informative... what about one about Kyoto's Geikos?
Raffaella Ribatti I didn't know that! There is a lot to learn about the culture for sure! Thank you for that! -John
The tradition of white makeup was actually original from china as a pale complexion was considered beautiful and wealthy. During the heian period about 1000 years ago (way before geisha) they used white makeup so it isnt exclusive to geisha culture and also the story about the candle light is kinda false even though it may hold some truth
It went further back than just 1800's. it goes back to the first era's of Japan. It was a way to distinguish nobility from lower class and was worn by men and women alike however, it started becoming popular among women of middle class status and above so it was adopted as a beauty trend, and over time it became synonymous with entertainers. Also ohaguro or "blackened teeth" started as a noble trend but eventually the courtesans of the pleasure quarters adopted it. I wouldn't depend on this guy to know too much about Kyoto Geiko - that's a prestige all on their own since they are typically more private.
even in europe the very white facepaint was favored for this reason: people could see you in candlelight as if you were an ethereal creature that illuminated.
Raffaella Ribatti l
I wonder how many girls break their ankles while practicing that walking pattern?
it takes months or years of practice and they have someone to hold them up while they do it.
they pass through a very strict training to make their feet and ankles strong, they must learn the movement properly on the ground before they put the shoes on.... they wouldnt risk the girls like that....
Lol
When platforms were big, I hurt my ankle multiple times.
the Oirans must be super strong after wearing excess pounds of weight on them.
While having to look very fragile and delicate and make the most fluid motions
@Han Lockhart it's still going to be heavy with a lot of layers on it.
Han Lockhart Oiran can wear up to 6-7 kimonos, which can be pretty heavy combined with the hair, and all the accessories and add ons, also having to balance on the 8 ft shoes.
Such an amazing culture I love Japanese culture not just anime or manga
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@@dozergetscrafty When was she romanticizing it?
@@B3rry_strawberry you got em
花魁とは通称です。
遊女の階級に呼出し(yobidashi)というものがありますが、それ以上の遊女が「花魁」と呼ばれました。
呼出しは、客を遊女自身の部屋に呼び出す事ができるので、かなり高い階級であったと推測できます。
10:49 I like how they take care of little detail, wrap something soft at the bottom of the metal stick to avoid destroy the road.
i thought you were talking about the Kimono. :)
Geisha vs. Oiran: Can you tell the difference? Where can you see them in #Japan ? Definitely #Asakusa ! If you are in Tokyo, check out the Oiran Dochu in April. It's a piece of history and part of #Japanese tradition. In this video, we will lay it all out for you and see the dochu in the Yoshiwara! #geisha #oiran #show #watch #cooljapan #100tokyo #isjapancool #kimono #tokyo #performace
WAORYU ONLYinJAPAN from what I know there's difference in obi knot as well. A Geisha's knot would be at the back while an Oiran's knot would be in the front (for easy tying without any assistance in the old days). A very enjoyable video! :)
+ONLY in JAPAN AMAZING VIDEO AND BACK STORY, thank you John, I hope you will get huge funding to continue!! I also think you will be an excellent travel guide presenter on TV!
Dude this is a quality documentary. You can have your own tv show on bbc or hbo for this. Hope this chanel was had a good funding
xxnx japan
+DOnker true
Thank you for the upload !!
I'm so pleased that many people enjoy Japanese culture;)
I want more people all over the world to love Japan !!
Thats creepy
@@xahxyy1551 Yea, it could have been worded differently. His intentions with this comment is quite clear tho
Also a fully trained Geisha has a 'fork' of natural skin left showing on her neck.
A Maiko (apprentice Geisha) yes. But a Geiko (full Geisha) not.
no geiko still have the fork but its partially hidden by a geikos wig as its lower on the neck
so did Tayuu and Oiran but theirs remained a 3 pronged vs a maiko or geisha only wears a 3 prong paint style on special occasions.
Geisha that are fully trained don’t wear the make up.
@@SophieJackson1993 wrong.
Am I the only one thinking about when nature calls and she has to take all that off??
BlondJapaneseChic if
th-cam.com/video/yx-UOOlO5xA/w-d-xo.html
BlondJapaneseChic 😆
Oh gosh , *sweats*
That would be my luck!
外国の方の情報で日本を教えてもらえるってことが、とても多くなりました。 今回の動画を拝見させてもらって、子供の頃からの疑問がようやく解けました。 父は神田の生まれで私もそこで育ちました。 母は上野の出身なので浅草は良く遊びに行っていたそうです。 私が子供の頃、浅草寺にお参りした後、子供の足では疲れるくらい歩いて酉の市が行われる神社まで母に連れて行かれることが何回かありました。 母は、その場所に着くと、この裏手には昔違う世界があったのよといつも云うのですが、どんな世界があったの？と興味深々に何回尋ねても「知らなくていいの」というだけでした。 教えてくれないなんて変なのっ！！っていつもモヤモヤしたままでした、が、それから数十年過ぎた今 やっとそこに何があったのか、どんな世界が存在していたのか、その謎が解けました。 「吉原」 あぁ あの場所がかつての吉原だったなんて、、、 私の迷宮入りしていた謎を解いてくださってありがとう そして、柞葉の母の面影を色濃く思い出させてくださって本当にありがとう (*^_^*)
+konkonchikichin Thank you for the nice message and sharing your story! Yoshiwara is great and I am also glad many foreign visitors appreciate Japan's amazing culture and history! -john
+ONLY in JAPAN what did he says haha
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Thank you John! Before today, I didn't know the difference at all. In fact, I thought the oiran dochu ( more specifically the Tayu) was geisha in their ceremonial form, while the regular geisha are in their work clothes. Now i know they are different professions.
Wow this is my first time finding this TH-cam channel. Is this a TV show or something? Very good production quality.
The L.A. Explorer It's just a simple TH-cam show ;) I'm glad you liked it! -John
ONLY in JAPAN first time I've seen this show, I enjoyed it. quick questions are there any similar things between both? and do they get a long, or are they competitor's? I love there attention to detail.
This is really interesting and very high quality! I'm so glad to find this channel
男衆は「おとこしゅう」ではなく「おとこし」とよむのが主流です。吉原には昔から興味があるので、一度花魁道中を見てみたいですね。
三浦sonon can I learn me Japanese please 🙏
The #oiran Dochu is taking place again this week near #asakusa in #yoshiwara . They're not #geisha but it's nice to experience the regal #parade of the Oiran which is much more interesting. Fantastic #event in #Tokyo -John #花魁道中
Yay!
wow your channel is very well made. i hope your channel gets put on tv soon
ONLY in JAPAN l've been to all the places that you went in this video and I loved it
wow
I spent a whole day in Asakusa but regretfully not when they had the Oiran Dochu.
Very informative! Now I know the difference between a Geisha and an Oiran!
David Dupree Thank you, David! Yup, get it right :P hehe -john
you can still see a somewhat simpler Oiran Dochu every day if you go to Edo Wonderland near Nikko, at Kinugawa onsen, which is also a great place to stay for an evening and enjoy onsen.
日本人でもはっきりと分からなかった違いや文化を知れました。しかも日本語字幕付き。すごく為になりました！他の動画も見ます！！！
7:00, if it gets cold, she's already carrying her own duvet and futon.
I was recently reading on Oiran, and it was very interesting about how different they were from the women that worked in the Red Light district. The Highest level of Oiran was always the most expensive to buy. I heard that many Oiran's once they reached a high level would refuse men they didn't like in hopes of taking only a wealthy man that I heard could and many times beg to marry her, but that's just as I heard anyway. I also heard that many times Oiran would act a great deal like Geisha only with the sleeping with the man part added, and sometimes they wouldn't even do anything but spend time together. It's very interesting. I'm so happy you did a video on this!
Eszra NIce to hear from you again! Yes!! I was so surprised about that. The Yoshiwara had such strict rules and customs. That is probably true that the Tayu held out for the wealthiest men. When they got older, I am sure they'd try to retire with a wealthy sponsor, like in the movie / book Memoirs of a Geisha. I think we both learned a lot from this video, didn't we? Very happy to have shared it with everyone else. THANK YOU ALWAYS for watching :) -John
WAORYU ONLYinJAPAN Thank you! I couldn't think of the word sponsor at all so thanks again for helping me with that.
I love these video's so please keep up the excellent work!
Sometimes the courtesan and her patron would fall in love but they often didn't wind up together.
6:51 so stunning, she looks like she stepped straght out of a painting😍😍
Always an amazing, thoughtful and well produced channel John. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us!!! =) My own interest in Japan came from the enjoyment of some of the usual, modern aspects of the culture..anime, manga, etc.. Of course exploring the historic and traditional elements of their culture leads to a greater appreciation of the modern Japan! All the best! ;)
i know bro i like japan too much !! im obsessed with japan i love japan i love anime allthe things of japan !! my childhood is japanis cartoons i really want to go there
I can never figure out why countries ban prostitution. All it does is to drive it underground where women or men are always in danger of being abused and killed. Making it legal makes it safer for everyone involved and the governments can make extra money by taxing the brothels.
Religious ideologues still have an alarmingly large influence on national laws, unfortunately.
agree. it´s like the oldest profession on this planet. keeps at least a few rapist away from innocent women/children.
I am glad I am not the only one who has noticed this. I do feel like even in public it can be corrupted but it would still be a lot safer than say 4Chan postings, kidnappings, rape, etc. Plus then the people get taxed and it goes towards the community instead. ^_^
Lucas Williams you know its not legal I'n Japan but it wasn't taken away because of the religious part there main religion even thinks cheating and child selling is all right.
Nyan Tsuki but then the women and girls who are selling get raped.
you truly love japan i can tell, i feel the same way as you my dream is to live there one day i want to make it a reality no matter how time it takes
in April it will be my 2nd time to visit Japan, and i truly love every aspect of this amazing culture
Thank you for your hard work (Ganbatte) i learned a lot from your show
The oshiroi or white makeup was worn by nobles before the Heian period by men and women alike. As was ohaguro (painting the teeth black) and shaving the eyebrows to paint them high on the head. Later on, the middle class followed suit trying to be as graceful as a noble and copied them - but the ones that really ran with it were the Tayuu of Kyoto who even copied their names especially from famous stories like the Tale of Genji. As said in the video - the parade was literally a way to show off "a quality product of X brothel." also with it came with a trademark name. ex. 'Hanamurasaki of the Tochirumonji' until she retired and another woman took that name. Each house owned different names that were recycled similar to how geisha/maiko names work.
The white face was explained in another documentary about a Geisha in training. In the olden days when they didn't have any electricity, the white makeup on a Geisha's face and neck served as a sort of reflector to the lamp light that highlighted her beauty even more.
This was lovely, people always talk about geishas but not oirans. I've always wanted to learn about them and this video was perfect!
omg... a greek in japan... how rare 😂😂😂
Is that sarcasm haha? Or are you actually surprised?
actually suprised
it's funny that everything was explained by the Greek. he's probably paying attention to everything. :)
My hetalia giripan shipping heart is exploding.
Whatever he is I thought: OKAY here is the guy who's here for the history of prostitution. (Creep)
I really like your videos. So informative and goes deep.
Igwe Ogba This really was DEEEEEEP! I'm so glad you liked this episode. I learned so much from it too! -John
*Hears about Yoshiwara
*Sweats in Gintama
Imagine under all that fabric, the women must be TONED AS HECK!
This is incredibly helpful for me, especially for One Piece as they're entering the Wano arc. Thank you John!
i really appreciate how the narrator is able to properly pronounce Japanese words; he also sounds very familiar with the language. good job!
Minus the Asah-koosa part.
We are always glad for your professional youtube vids. Your channel should be on BBC or NBC.
themanager1980 Wow! To have a budget, a team, and then an international channel to broadcast it from!?!?! That would be like paradise!
I think the biggest challenge is doing a lot of these shows myself from the script to the filming and editing. I am lucky to have WAORYU adding subtitle and helping with some of the little things that make the job even harder. Perhaps one day ... we have to work hard and think big!! Thank you so much for watching the show!! Appreciate it very much! -John
You always make good video, but I think this one may just be your best. I knew a little about Geisha, mostly that they are misunderstood by us westerners, now though I know much more. Thank you for helping educate us about things in Japan.
I'm loving this channel! Every time I watch it I really want to go to Japan!!
Ethen Carlin Maybe it's time for a visit!! This city is going to really change from now to the 2020 Olympics. Already so much construction happening! Fantastic vibe here now. THANK YOU for watching and writing!! -John
Hi john I never knew about oiran looks like a lot more work than geisha !!!! I never knew about that but again your show is very informative !!!!thanks
Also my wife knows u and helped u with some videos long time ago re. pizza videos !!!!
We just came back from asakusa !!!!!!!
astroboy3507 HI Astroboy3507! It's great to hear from you again and glad to hear you learned as much about the oiran as I did while making this episode! Oh my!!
I remember such a kind girl who helped launch some of my earliest shows more than 11 years ago! She moved to Australia, I think. Graphic designer. Super talented. Hmm ... I can't think of any other pizza videos than that one which was my first one ever! If that's her, please tell her how grateful I am! -John
Correct she moved with me to Sydney and yes we been together now 10 years so correct !!!!!!
Thanks for your kind words and yes I will tell her now !!!!!!!!!!
😆
astroboy3507 mn
When that orian sensei opened her mouth, an endless stream of words flew out !!
spindext It was a lot to edit ;) there's a ton of knowledge! -John
An Oiran isn´t the same as a Tayu. A Tayu has high skills in art while the Oiran doesn´t.
Thank you!!! It's sad ppl will go all the way to Japan and not have done a lick of real research
@@Freevids99 Yeah, that's true. You can be a tayuu oiran, or the highest oiran of a specific group.
It depends on the female being the oiran though. I saw an oiran great in music, shamisen to be precised
What you said wrong. Tayu is a rank.
Oiran have high skills in art. Tayu are geisha while oiran are prostitutes, two completely different things.
Lafcadio Hearn, in his book "Glimpses of unfamiliar Japan" written from his period late 1800's describes beautifully and with great love and understanding, having married into a Samurai family, the life and culture of the Japanese, and to this day his writings are tought in japanese schools.
Came to see how many people would comment on his pronunciation of “Asakusa”...but since I see none, I’ll leave mine out.... except for what I’ve already said. Lol
My teeth were grinding every time he said it. Just awful.
There was this Japanese movie I watched about the fabulous(and not so fabulous) life of an Oiran. Pretty interesting show. Actors were great. And of course... The kimonos! Hair, styles and color. Oiran was truly a rock star.
Good one John - nicely done as usual! ^_-
Thumbs up....
Thomas
+SUPERGENKI JAPAN Thanks Thomas! -john
「太夫」は京都の島原での呼び方です。
Grigoros is still a baby
Japan has such a beautiful culture. Love this channel.
i love your videos! thank you for sharing. A new subby ~ much love from Vancouver, Canada
You're very welcome! I'm glad you found the channel and enjoyed the show :) -John
A beautiful video. I could learn a lot about oiran of Yoshihara in EDo era.
Hi John!
First, please forgive me if I make some mistakes because English is not my native language. (I'm French)
I discovered your videos 2 months ago and I absolutely enjoyed it. I have been in love with Japan for as long as I can remember.
It's started with manga (like a lot of people I think) especially in france as you know we are fond of it.
But it also became so much more after the first time I had the chance to visit.
I think nobody can forget their first time in this country (especially meeting japanese people who are so amazing, nice, interesting...I could go on forever...)
I really love your videos because despite the fact that you have been living there for 17 years (yes i did my homework), you seem to share the same enthusiasm as me. I love how you could still be surprised by them.
It's a real pleasure to see someone who can really appreciate this beautiful country and be happy to share his experience with everyone with so much passion.
Watching your videos really help me wait for my next trip.
It has finally come because i'm going to Japan next saturday!! It will be my sixth time there.
Unfortunately, i'm only staying there 2 weeks (a girl's gotta work!)
I'm going back to Paris the 13th of June but i'm planning to go to the Tsukiji Shishi Matsuri in Tokyo on my last day.
Who knows? Maybe i'll you see you around, it coud be your cool next video!! it could be nice to have a chat with you.
Anyway, again thanks a lot for your hard work!! (and sorry for the long post)
Florence
RUFIN Florence Great to hear from you! Wow!! 6th time to Japan!! You must be as in love with this place as I am.
The beauty of making these shows is that I am really learning as you are. That's what's so exciting. After 17 years, it sometimes feels like my first day all over again.
As Grigoris and I talked about during the shooting of this episode, there are so many elements to Tokyo (and Japan). The one we all see ... and the multiple dimensions we do not.
Often those dimensions are right in front of us! Like the way a store clerk returns the change by putting the coins on top of the receipt (to keep your hand clean) and places his/her under yours so you don't drop anything. (We're supposed to shovel the coins into our coin purse from the receipt, but there's no rule.) I think one have to either visit multiple time or live here to notice much of it.
That's great that you'll be able to see the Tsukiji Shishi Matsuri! It's a really great one!
Let me know how your trip is going via the Facebook page: facebook.com/onlyinjapantv I will probably be either at the Rabbit Island or on Shikoku Island filming or in Tokyo editing those episodes. So glad you're enjoying the series and visiting Japan!! -John
How many broken ankles have happened from those shoes
rocker1821 I wonder ... I'll ask Okita-sensei next time I see her. Interesting question!! -John
rocker1821 I asked ... she said she doesn't know of any breaks but there have been a couple of falls, usually int he beginning and certainly during training.
They do not do the dochu during the rain or when the streets are wet. In fact, this event was delayed once day due to rain. They also don't want to get those kimono wet and lose that white makeup! -John
WAORYU ONLYinJAPAN Well then that is amazing that nobody ever broke their ankle with the foot motion and all.
I have huuuge interest in geishas and expecially in oirans because they are more flamboyant than geishas ( I even have have tattoo of oiran and I cosplayed one ^^) Fun to see video that focuses more on oirans and tells the huge difference between geisha and oiran :)
aaaand I really want to see Oiran Dochu one day, that is my biggest dream TT__TT
you are kinda glorifying prostitution and objectification of women, sorry i can see the appeal but this video failed to touch on the reality of oiran, most weren't high ranking and those ones were treated badly and were trapped in their job, many didnt even chose to be an oiran, it wasnt as glamorous as people make out, glad it was outlawed
I know Oirans history and where it comes from and I have read quite many books about it, but it still doesn't stop me of liking beautiful kimonos, fancy kanzashi, dance, oiran donchu and the ideal of an oiran or art that has been made of it. It's part of the history like art is, even though the origin is not always so bretty.
And we don't see japan stopping Oiran dochu or Geisha tradition anytime soon and they don't judge if I like too.
Oiran were high class prostitutes in gilded cages, they weren't ever allowed to leave Yoshiwara until their debt was paid or if they have special permission to leave such as for a funeral or a special client. The gates were guarded by armed men to keep the women in. Tayuu however, which remained in Kyoto (the old capital) were basically low nobility and often retired very wealthy. Tayuu were above oiran in rank, whereas oiran's purpose was to out-do the next girl to get her next paycheck to speak. Tayuu were trained in the traditional japanese arts much like geisha today, and could turn away any suitors at her will whereas oiran could not. There are no Oiran left, but there are still women who practice the art of Tayuu without the prostitution.
I had a job as a mascot a decade ago, dancing with that thing is not easy.
Excellent show. Not quite what I'm used to expecting but your infectious smile seems to keep the mood regardless of a slow moving parade.
Ian Crawford I am so lucky to have the freedom to research and report on anything that it trending for this show. That's where the excitement comes from! After 17 years here, I'm still learning about Japan almost like it's my first day here -- it just plain incredible! I look outside my window when editing these videos and sometimes see Mt. Fuji. It's a little small but still ... it super cool! Thank you very much for watching. Great to hear from you! -John
“Only in Japan”, but it is not someone from Japan being interviewed.
Tayu and Oiran are way different. Tayu are not prostitutes. Tayu were obive geishas and entertainers for higher up while geisha entertained nobles.. Oiran instead entertained people in different ways.. Tayu and Oiran and totally different. Geisha and Tayu are probably the same but Tayu is more educated and has mastered EVERYTHING a geisha could possible do.
Thank you for sharing this was very interesting !
Onepeace I'm so happy you enjoyed it! Thank you! -John
I absolutely love your shows. Thanks for sharing!
Jefferic 321 Thank YOU!! Really appreciate you taking the time to write! -John
Im a boy and i kept practicing the soto hachi moji with my moms slide on heels and.....
*i haven't broken my ankle for months*
really really like your show/videos... i wake up almost every morning and watch one before getting ready for work.
thank you john :)
In memiors of a giesha ziyi zhang moves her feet in the way of an oiran in her debut dance. Only now I understand the dance fully watching this. These women are so beautiful!! I wish more men would do it too. Thanks for this video!!
Hmm...I was under the impression Oiran and Tayu were different...
Another great episode, but I couldn't help but notice that the pronunciation of 浅草 is a little off. I believe it's pronounced 'asaksa' not 'asa・kusa.'
Depending on dialect, some people probably do drop the 'u' or at the very least you can't hear it because they say it quickly but 'asakusa' is not wrong either.
Got this answer from Reddit.
Mark Zeddo
Mark Zeddo, B.A. Japanese & History, University of Massachusetts, Amherst (2010)
Answered Feb 12 2017
Speakers of pretty much any language speak quickly, as perceived by people who don’t speak that language. It’s also normal for sounds to get blurry, or get dropped altogether.
This process has happened in many dialects of English, too: there are dialects where the “t” sound in “Latin” is dropped, and the word sounds more like “La’n”, unless the speaker is very careful to pronounce that “t”. “Going to” and “want to” become “gunna” and “wanna” in colloquial speech.
Japanese is no exception. In the example you gave, the difference between “heya” and “hea” is very, very slight. Pretty much only a teacher is going to carefully enunciate that difference. In colloquial Japanese, almost any sound can get blurred, contracted, or dropped:
“Sumimasen” becomes “suimasen”.
“Wakatta” becomes “wa’atta”
“Wakaranai” becomes “wakannai”
“Arigatou gozaimasu” becomes “azaasu”
“Atatakai” so regularly becomes “attakai” that it is very nearly standard.
“Ore no uchi” becomes “orenchi”
The “nai” part of the negative of verbs and adjectives becomes “nei”
None of these changes are universal, and they all depend on the speaker, the region, and the context. But there are a lot of them.
The pronunciations and spellings you learn in the classroom are a kind of idealized version of Japanese. Continue to use them, and people will say that your Japanese is very nice. And you will do well to continue to speak clearly (and use your most polite Japanese) if you ever use it in a business context. But since it is idealized, there’s going to be all sorts of ways that people do not speak like that, not just my list here, but going all the way to vowels that sound different, and even somewhat different verb conjugations. After you get more used to the standard, idealized pronunciations, you will get used to all of the ways people mess with them in real life.
Asakusa is the word written, but either pronounced with and or without the u depending on thr dialect.
1:15 Oh that man is *DEFINITELY* Greek. xD Not only from the name but from his pronunciation is so recognizable to the ear.
"Hooray for the dudes" anyone hear that? Lol
+Becky Biddick hehehe -john
ONLY in JAPAN
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thank you so much for another great vid!!!
Tangy Orange Thank YOU! -John
thank you for this another great episode
RABAH HAMAD i think it's depend on where do want to go..
suria hagumi akihabara :3
***** that was helpful thank you
***** and yes btw , can you easily communicate with people with the english language only ?!
***** Great , thank you
Two mins in an you put an add on. What a treat...
I think I saw this video long ago but what made me click again was the thumbnail. Both the oiran and the host look so shocked looking at each other, lol! I can just imagine both gasping at the same time 😂😂
Anyone in the US who knows of the yearly M&M commercials around Christmas, where the red M&M screams at seeing Santa and says "He does exist!" and then faints and then Santa says "They do exist!" and faints...that's what I'm expecting from just that picture, lol!
Woo going through your videos now but yay thanks for another great video!!
I watched every episode really appreciate your work John
Soma Lineth THANK YOU! Makes me very happy to hear you've enjoyed the series :) -John
I hope u keep updating your work :)
So BEAUTIFUL!!!!
Fascinating! I didn’t know there was more than just maiko and geiko.
Oh wow! I definitely did not know the differences! Thanks for the information and great video :)
I’m confused now, I thought the Tayu was the highest level a Geisha could ascend to, now he’s saying a Tayu is an Oiran. One thing I notice is that the Geisha is far more refined in appearance and I noticed the Obi is in the back.
The Tayus vary by prefecture. The Shimane ones have real hair, instead of the wigs and they adorn themselves. Usually, they are not to be touched by man, she has no makeup on her feet, and the helpers have her name behind their robes. They are very rare and only entertain the highest of nobility. I don't know if they are accessing this to other prefectures.
That's what i thought too, oiran and Tayu i thought were very different as Tayu were highly educated and only entertained the nobilty, and also thought oiran were not really Geisha as oiran aren't supposed to need much specialized training? HMM.
you are correct this is completely wrong. Tayu were never oiran. this is a miss conception that to this day even some of the historians get wrong. oiran ar not allowed to do many of the things a tayu do. I mean there are aspects in this film that are true but the idea of the tayu being a higher ranked oiran is incorrect. the tayu is the highest ranked geisha
Tina Parker ok thank you. That makes better sense.
Geisha do not become Tayu. Tayu is it's own profession with it's own ranks.
This is so beautiful. Thank you for the upload
Love your videos! Always checking and hoping you post more videos. 😊
Avery linn More coming very very very soon :) -John
I'm going to sound stupid but I have a few questions, why do you throw coins to be fed to the lion?? Also what is the purpose of the Tekomai Geisha??
they were performers strictly, and sing songs while on the parade. typically that's how you knew a tayuu or oiran parade was in procession due to the elongated singing style. that's all i know.
Yiasou re grigory you know what they say under every rock you will find a greek it made me happy to see a greek man in your program that definitely shows that the Japanese culture is regarded with respect around the world. Again well done for your excellent program i likely watching all your episodes. Well done 👏👏👏👏
john prouzos YES! I was very happy to have Grigoris's help with this episode. He is not only Greek, he's one of the smartest people I know on the subject of Japan's culture and the details of how people lived in the "shitamachi" area of Tokyo. That's what makes him an expert -- the details with his knowledge of Japan!
I have been enjoying his articles on the greecejapan website: www.greecejapan.com/my-asakusa/ He's written many and these are definitely worth a read! Thank you so much for watching and commenting! Yasou! Appreciate it! -John
Oh man, being coated with all that make up and clothes must suck :D
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OMG! I know him! Not personally but he is really well known in Greece and Cyprus 🤓 Γεια
σας κ. Μιλιαρέση, φιλιά απο Κύπρο, να ξέρετε σας ζηλεύω πολύ εκεί που είστε ☺️🙏🏼 Greatly made videos guys 👌🏼🤓💜
i’m just thinking about how they use the bathroom lmao
I just love to watch your episodes, getting to know more about Japan about there food culture. I can tell it's very diverce. I really want to go to Japan in the future, looks so great to learn there culture/food :)
Greetings from The Netherlands.
SuperJeffrey1991 Hello from Tokyo! Thanks for the nice comment and for taking the time to watch.
The food and the culture -- top reason to visit for sure! By the way, I've been hooked on stroopwafel the last few months ... so gooooood with a coffee! A little bit of the Netherlands here in every bite. -John
All in favor of a kickstarter to support the show?
joshua bethel :) Nice to hear from you again Joshua! You're starting to give me ideas ... it would be so great to just spend a month on a bicycle riding from the very south to the north and reporting on EVERYTHING interesting along the way. This could be an option for 2016!! Hmmm .... -John
Figure the budget, we will raise the money! I told you I'm going to post it in every video until it happens. If you were to do that trip, it would be awesome to do like a show version that's all cut and edited, but then also like a between the cuts version thats longer and kind of shows what really goes on. That way the people just looking for a quick highlight of the best of Japan AND the people looking to see what things are really like both get their share.
joshua bethel \(^o^)/ OK
I'll give it a try for the fall. Maybe do something in the summer to raise the funds. Look what you've done :) you've got me more than thinking now! I've got a pretty rugged shooting schedule until August but I'll try to find the time. THANK YOU again! -John
"If you build it, they will come."
Great idea!
This was very interesting and well explained. Thank you!
So undressing was a serious strip tease. A drunken customer might fall asleep waiting for the reveal. I never had heard of the Orian before this video. It must be a well kept secret.
The second war hurt the Orian status and US soldiers couldn't appreciate the difference between pros and ordinary women dressed to advertise service.
The Geisha reputation also went into decline as westerners, particularly GIs again couldn't appreciate that artistry of the profession.
Thanks for another awesome episode john unique as always
JoshyyBowBoshyy 23 Thank you!! Really appreciate the feedback! -John
LOVE UR VIDEO SO MUCH!!!!!!
THANKYOU FOR ALL THE GOOD VIDEO U MADE!!!!
read the history of yoshiwara it explains everything and will answer all your questions
I am from india guys but I really love Japanese culture
Thank you
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wow l love there cloths so much colurs and texture :) but l was thiking, does it not hurt in the feets when they walk in does shose and how long is the walk they do ? *can't wait for your next video* :D *hug*
Clay Charms 4 You Bea I am sure those geta were not made for comfort! The Oiran walks for about 400 meters. She doesn't put it on until the procession starts so I don't think it's too bad .. but yeah! She's brave!! Those kimono were awesome, too! -John
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Awesome, awesome, awesome! Always recommend your channel to my friends who wanna know more about Japanese culture.
Otaku Bitts AWESOME!!! Great to hear from you again and THANK YOU \(^o^)/ -John
I dressed up as an oiran when I was in Japan, I felt pretty
Tayu still have a parade every year in Kyoto they also do not wear wigs plus their makeup is more heart shaped on the face and they do not cover their feet white. Another huge difference from the ones in this video is you are not allowed to film them doing their makeup it's a very secret things well as their parade was to give respect to a Tayu that was very well known. Kamuros also are children that had the Tayu name on the back, Tayu also did more of a arch sweep with their feet when walking through the parade and they did not need help when walking their attendant would have a huge umbrella to shade them as they walk.
Excellent informational video!! THANK YOU!!! Loved the info and visuals. I learned a lot! Subscribed!