@Jakub Bończak Thats the biggest reason why they refer to him like that. He also a moral pillar and really ethical. Well some might disagree with that Mak Gora but the elements were really unstable in that fight and Garrosh had dragon shards.
I have been trying to explain to people that these new orcs are from 35 years after WoD and they are with our current timeline. Thank you for all that you do Nobbel. Great video as always. See you on the next one.
I think it would have been a lot more comprehensible if the WoD Iron Horde also had been in our present (35 years later) at the time of their invasion of Azeroth. As in, Garrosh went back 35 years in the past, but the Iron Horde spent 35 years to conquer Draenor and prepare their move onto Azeroth. Would have brought the two realities to the same time period. And Blizzard's reasoning as to how they didn't want grandpa warlords was stupid, since our Grommash wasn't a grandpa when he killed Mannoroth decades after the opening of the Dark Portal. And now we are unlikely to get a grandpa Grommash along with the mag'har either. It's like they are talking out of their arses...
Not necessarily. Remember that the two timelines were different, and conquer doesn't mean eradicate. There could have remained some draenei resistance fighters, or the Iron Horde could have simply enslaved them instead of killing them. Heck, without the demon control, the Iron Horde might even have allied with some of the draenei.
It could be that the whole "cup of unity"-design which the Mag'har orcs use for their totems comes not directly from Gul'dan, but maybe Gul'dan used an already existing orc tradition to make the drinking of Mannoroth's blood seem more palatable to the orcs. Think how in the real world stories about the devil often have people signing away their souls with written contracts; it's using already existing imagery from that culture to make the pact with the devil more understandable and relatable. Perhaps Gul'dan was playing on some old orcish treaty ritual or something. Sharing a drink from a cup, or what have you. Just an idea.
I was thinking this too - the writing or carving on the cup(s) seems to be an already existing thing, rather than Gul'Dan seemingly taking a random cup from his overlords that has "Evil genocidal murderblood" written on it.
Got my Mag'har Orc Rouge to level 110 and got my Heritage armor. Went for the Blackrock Clan look so I certainly feel faction pride now. The lore videos you do are awesome by the way.
Anyone else think Geya'rah is going to be the female version of Thrall? Instead of a son, Durotan and Draka had a daughter in this alt timeline. Named after her grandmother.
I really like the Mag'har monks idea and thinking of making one. Seems like the best example of a Burning Blade blademaster style character. Agile, lightly armoured, trained and spinning around ^^
Well, the monk class of WOW is more based around the Chinese version of monks, and Samurai are Japanese, but I get'cha. That and what Nobbel said sound like our best explanations for it, lol.
What Nobbel said, about monks going over to train them, doesn't make much sense, unless worgen an goblins can become monks too, since they've had far more exposure. Ew, goblin monks. Their core values would conflict so much that they'd just explode. Like an undead paladin.
I'm not a fan of Burning Crusade myself - most of its lore is retconned or forgotten, plus was never involved in it sadly. Meanwhile Warlords of Draenor has both its charm and its... well it was WoD. There are many expansions to love over it and I fault no one for hating it - but WoD did have its good and i'd rather see the good again than the bad.
Honestly, WOD wasn't that bad in hindsight. Legion is so much worse in many ways. Legion started off awesome but was just the same repetitive boring bullshit throughout the entire expansion.
Won't happen sourfang left the horde on bfa. Also grom old as fuck and made a female orc be the speaker for them. Get ready for sjw feminism shit done wrong. Enjoy!
Geya'ra is the name of the Orc who pledges allegiance to the Horde? Interesting, I wonder if Draka and Durotan had a Daughter or something, and named her after his mother. The name is quite close to her name. I can't wait to play the unlock scenario.
One thing that always nagged at me in WoD was how did Gul'dan know that Garrosh was Grom's son? Garrosh never revealed that to Grom, or anyone to my knowledge, yet somehow Gul'dan knew. Only thing I can think of is that Kil'jaeden told him. Also, I want a high res Gorehowl for transmog to be available.
Gorehowl should have been the arms warrior artifact imo. Garrosh discarded it for his old god replica and we haven't seen it since. The one in WoD is the alternate Gorehowl like the alternate Doomhammer.
RatchildUK i thought the same but thinking now Stromkar is cool as fuck Arathor Empire was cool as fuck Barbarians are cool as fuck made my human warrior not so simple at least
A possible explanation for Mag'har monks could be the Burning Blade clan. Although their blademasters use two- handed swords, they are also masters of unarmed combat. They have also developed techniques that are very similar to that of a windwalker monk. I'm planning on leveling a Mag'har monk.
so if draenor orcs join the horde, what happens to the peace in draenor? i hope Yrel makes a comeback. she was rather young in wod, and draenei seem to live long lives.
Velen actually says that for a millennium the nothing legion chased his people across the Stars. A millennium is a million years, i know times works different in the twisting nether. But Velen might be ALOT older then we truly think he is.
Damn all that dialogue and stuff from garrosh and grommosh, why couldn’t we get that in warlords? And I’m pretty sure he would’ve rejected his son if he knew anything that happened to horde instead only being told what he should hear. Also isn’t the vision of time something from chronicle 3? He’ll yeah the members of the horde get increased! God damn 35 years and grom still looks good lol!
Well he did.. Only orcs were allowed in the end.. So he did use the power against his own.. Though not saying the other thing is fine either cuz it's not xD
Thats because the other races betrayed him. Brush up on your lore champ. A bunch of old god cultists framed Garrosh for the attack in Ashenvale then instantly Vol'jin and Cairne wanted him dead. Garrosh quite earnestly and unironically did nothing wrong. The bombing of theramore was completely justified and using the old god heart would have secured a victory for the Horde if they werent all too busy betraying him for literally no reason
i believe the bronze will help because alt dreanor was a timeline affected by the meddling of our time line so it's only fair to bring that dreanor to our time line because of not that alt reality could disapear eventually. atleast that is what i understood when you explain what the bronze dragon do when they protect the main timeline.
They just data mined more info on the Mag'har joining the Horde. Eitrigg & the hero(you) meet Overlord Gey'arah who thinks you're working for the Draenei. Eitrigg explains and Grommash tells us what happened between the Orcs & Draenei. The Draenei are obsessed with the Naaru, the Naaru told the Draenei to spread their religion of the Light to the Orcs by any means necessary. Yrel is the Draenei Leader, and she has created a unique faction called the Lightbound, who are charged with spreading the Light to the Orcs by force. Gey'arah reveals she is Durotan's daughter(AU's version of Thrall) and Grommash's son(AU Garrosh) is a member of the Lightbound Orcs. Durotan was killed by the Draenei years ago. Most of the clans were wiped out or divided except the Blackrock, Frostwolf, and Warsong Clans. We basically are going to help them fight the Lightbound(AU's version of the Lightforged Draenei). The Draenei have become evil in this world because the shadow from Gul'dan and the Shadow Council did not challenge the Light, so Light became evil.
The Light itself isn't evil, even if some of it's users are (Scarlet Crusade) or turn to evil (Arthas). Maybe even the Draenei want justice for what the Orcs did to them with the Iron Horde and some of them went off the deep end. It's not like the Draenei attacked their peaceful Orc neighbors, destroyed their cities, slaughtered thousands of Orcs to fuel a portal so they could continue their conquest, paved a road to said portal in the bones of their victims, and almost drove the Orcs to extinction, while the Orcs have never done anything like that to the Draenei... OH WAIT!
First off, Light and Shadow are like yin and yang. We've constantly been led to believe Light is good and Shadow is bad. But Legion showed us that Light can become fanatical. The Naaru aren't always the holy all righteous beings we we're lead to believe. The Draenei are obsessed with the Naaru because they think they are the voices of the Light. Some Naaru are peaceful, while others are fanatical. If the Naaru told the Draenei to start committing a holy inquisition(based and inspired by the Spanish Inquisition from our timeline) and start forcing everyone around them to worship the same religion they do or die, the Draenei would do it. But I do agree some Draenei would feel a desire for revenge. But you have to remember, the events taking place in this Draenor are 40 years after Warlords of Draenor. Also the Dark Portal in Warlords of Draenor was only powered by Gul'dan and his Warlocks, while in our universe, it was Gul'dan and Medivh. You're probably thinking of the movie, which is entirely different. The Orcs in Draenor we're originally peaceful with the Draenei, until tensions rose when Gul'dan tricked an entire clan of Orcs into waging war against the Draenei, and then the Draenei slaughtered them all, which lead to no further peaceful relations between Orcs & Draenei. And it was Garrosh who tricked Grommash into making the Draenei another enemy of the Iron Horde. If it weren't for Garrosh, the Orcs would still just get brainwashed by Gul'dan and repeat history again.
While followers of the Light can become fanatical, evidence of which has existed since Wrath with the Scarlet Crusade, and the Naaru aren't infallible, I'm not sure that can be said of the Light itself (there's rumors that Elune is to the Light what the Void Lords are to the Void). In Warcraft 2 and 3, the Light was God (AKA the Judeo-Christian God) and the Light religion was Christianity before World of Warcraft retconned that. My mention of the paved bones refers to the lore from the Warcraft 2 game and the Burning Crusade expansion; Draenei refugees fled to the portal to escape, but so many were killed as they ran by orcs and demons the path was littered with dead Draenei whose bones remain there in Outland to this day. We both agree that even if Blizzard makes the Draenei bad guys, not all the Orcs are innocent victims. There are a lot of theories about why the Spanish Inquisition was formed irl, but it wasn't purely "convert or kill non-believers" (it was more about policing believers in the Spanish Empire, and they were actually fairer and less bloodthirsty than the secular courts they existed alongside during the 356 years the Spanish Inquisition was in power). What makes me mad is how people start saying nonsense like "the Light is as bad as the Burning Legion and the Void" after a few IMPLIED OR ATTEMPTED forced conversions; especially since they have different goals and mo's. The Void and the Burning Legion are sadistic, the former wants an dark eternal free-for-all bloodbath (like the Black Empire and the Elemental Wars) while the latter wants to kill or corrupt everyone to push some cosmic reset button, even the Army of the Light doesn't make being Light-infused mandatory and they do allow non-Light powers (notice how NPC Archmage Y'mera wasn't forced to give up Arcane magic by Xe'ra). Does Light infusion take away your free well? The "holy Dreadlord" Lothraxion talked Xe'ra out of killing Alleria, something he couldn't have done if she controlled him.
It is obvious that Mag'Har can be Priests with the Shadowmoon clan in mind because their dark magic isn't like that of the Warlocks it is more like Shadow Priests.
The more and more I think about it...I’m starting to like WoD...yes I know there was a lot of content cut and the garrisons didn’t go very well...but I try to find something I dislike about it, but it’s hard for me to find anything. Edit: but then I remember there is an entire raid tier missing
It was just super boring and so many meh moments with the cut content cutting into the lore. Also its still a big slap in the face that Grom was just as genocidal and war hungry as his fel version, yet after he helped in 1 fight all of a sudden he is a good guy and Yrel is standing next to him in victory? He slaughtered most of Draenor just because he wanted to, but now he is a allied race leader? Blegh.
Xander yeah I was having trouble figuring out the whole alt timeline Star Trek bullshit I do agree that’s it’s weird how Grom went from most likely the final boss to being the hordes’ bestie
His knowledge of the lore is unfathomable and I wish I could watch even one of his videos to the end, were it not for the fact that a) he speaks way too fast, b) he speaks every line of text as if it were an epic story and c) his pronunciation of the letter R is very annoying. With that being said, I would never dislike his videos.
I'm amazed and almost disapointed you didnt asked Nixxiom permission to use his videos for this XD specially the Kilrogg! and the final cinematic with Hellscream
I just love the whole "We will fight with you to defeat the legion" idea and then Yrel doesn't join anything and the Mag'har orcs join an expansion late XD
The scene where Grom took the explosion from Mannaroth back at RoC was devastating. I felt really sad that he had to end up that way, and the WoD cinematic just reminded me of how sad it was. Feelsbadman
I think it's more fitting that the Mag'har joined the Alliance since they lived side by side with the draenai, and to see that Sylvanas is not an honourable Warchief. Also in WoD, Khadgar has a great relationship with Mag'har and the Draenai
This is has to be my favorite cinematic. Everyone craps on WoD, but for me and and I'm guessing 1%, this was a decent expansion. But it all started with this very cinematic. Well done blizz with such a great cinamatic
let's not forget that the Pit Lord Mannoroth was the first lieutenant of Kil'jaeden himself the second most powerful in the Burning Legion, Sargeras being the first, making Mannoroth one of the most powerful demons alive at the time, and Grommash Hellscream along with the help of the Iron Horde killed him without the demon blood.
So question: In the alternate universe, the Orcs never invaded Azeroth, so the events that originally kicked off the Warcraft universe never happened. However, doesn't that mean that Azeroth in the alternate universe will be woefully unprepared for the Legion when it shows up, (because its constantly argued that the war between the Horde and Alliance has led to the heroes of Azeroth being much more powerful and capable than they would be otherwise). Doesn't that mean that by interfering with history, and now pulling the strength of the Mag'har for ourselves, aren't we condemning alternate Azeroth and therefore the entire alternate universe to destruction either by the Legion or the Void?
That wouldnt be our "problem", you see the thing thats missing is the actual corruption of the orcs - AU orcs will never devestate the Draenei and their environment, so they wont go to Azeroth. Without the Mag'har orcs on AU though.. the Draenei are kinda fucked xd
Even if our actions did doom an alternate Azeroth, there’s nothing we can do about it at this point. The Orcs were called to Azeroth originally by Medivh and Gul’dan creating the Dark Portal. Now that Gul’dan is gone from the alternate timeline, the Dark Portal will never be completed. Unfortunately, the Legion of the alternate timeline still exists (I think), but they’ve probably chosen to leave Draenor alone for now considering they lost one of their leaders there. They’ve probably gone to some other world and bent the natives to their will to invade Azeroth. Maybe the Protoss?
There is only one Legion and the only timeline that matters is the main one ( the main river analogy) so it's unlikely that the legion would invade alt azeroth anyway... dont ask me why blizz did it that way, but its how it is... besides, the legion is gone now...
There is 2 skins for shattered hand but no hand missing. The one with bone piercings on the arm like kargath and the other pale one with scars across the chest are the 2 skins for that clan both pale skinned.
If they actually managed to keep peace with the dreanei, this gromash is probably alot calmer than ours ever was. Then again ours might have just been so calm because he was just waiting to die.
I'm pretty sure that the "mutual friend" is Thrall/Goel who has been living on Draenor all this time with Aggra, their kids, and his family and learning to be a better shaman from Regar/learning with him. If the corruption is in fact leaving the orcs as Nobbel said, I wonder if we are going to get to see a brown skinned Goel... that would be amazing. Seeing his kids all grown up and leading the Frostwolves will be really interesting too. (35-50 years has passed on their side after all) It'd explain why he dissipated after the whole Doomhammer incident and was AWOL for all of Legion. Geya'rah... named fro Greatmother Geya anyone? Probably Goel's daughter.
Love all your lore vids. Just out of curiosity, would you ever consider making a lore vid on "what would happen if Garrosh was not evil in Mists of Pandaria?" I have seen a guy by the name of Noxxoim do something like that for Arthas if he never took up the blade Frostmourne.
I wonder if we're gonna see any important interaction (maybe even a cutscene) between the Mag'har Orcs and our actual orcs who are still.. pretty much green. For example, Mag'har don't really know how it is to have made a really bad choice like drinking the demon blood. I'm not referring to the fact that our orcs drinking the demon blood actually helped the grand scheme of things.. but I'm rather thinking about the Mag'har orcs' feelings towards something their alternate selves kinda felt.. It's weird but maybe someone gets me :P These kind of interactions, plus the ones between Zandalari Trolls and the normal ones (Darkspear I presume) or between Void Elves and Blood Elves, would potentially be interesting lore ideas to put forward and develop. This is just my opinion tho.
I WANT to watch your videos, but since Cata I've basically spoiled every expansion before I played it... So I decided to wait (for the most part) this time around... course... guess who got the Beta :^) Been enjoying it slowly while leaving the Dev's plenty of comments.
Could you do a speculationvideo what might have happend on alternet Azeroth? Are the people still living in peace or are they burning in the fires of the old gods? Have Deathwing become a felfire breathing monstrosity? And do we need to go there and save them before it spreads to us. Will we face the full power of the old ones there with N'Zoth as the endboss?
23:46 Foreshadowing now. Geyarah treats Honor no different than Saurfang does. But the Honor he witnesses with Sylvanas is faulty so he defects from Sylvanas. I see that The Horde as a whole will have a sort of "Iron" paradigm shift in the future.
I'm more interested in alternate draenei. They are similar to our draenei so they certainly won't be an allied race but it feels really weird Horde/Älliance power balance would remained the same with the whole bloody planet of orcs helping them. Also I really like Yrel and think the biggest of WoD mistakes were to cut out her story. I need to know how she's doing.
Haa Nobbel! I've just finished 'rise of the horde'. And looking back to the whole orc stroryline...why are the orcs not involved in the Legion expansion??? The burning legion, orcs, draenei...it could have been a great chance to close this storyline and a bridge to the maghar orcs. What are your toughts?
Hello Nobbel...could you make video(i know u will make at one time) about recently revealed datamined informations about Maghar orc scenarios and Lightbound draenei? it seems like super interesting stuff)
Disclaimer, I think Warlords zones are gorgeous and beautiful. Not all o fWarlords was a bad in my opinion and it paved the way for Legion. Now here is a list of things i wish didnt happen or did happen in Warlords. 1: Bigger and Better story that properly and thouroughly gave the Orcs of lore a spotlight. The Bonechewers got deleted. Killrog (my personal favorite) was absolutely and utterly pissed on. Grom didnt make any sense. Orgrim was deleted. etc etc. And thats just with the Orcs. They should have done more with the Ogre Lore and all that. Because i wanted to see Ogres in their prime and we got barely any of that. 2: They should have had a working train from Gorgrond to Taanan like orginally planned. 3: Garrisons WERE cool (thats just my opinion) they could have been better but i find Garrison stuff some of the most fun in Warlords. 3: i guess in the end im just super ultra mega dissapointed in the story. it started REALLY STRONG! and then....literally just fkn quit trying
I thought Durotans father was slain in combat in the Durotan audiobook by a red walker orc after being sick from a cursed knife that Gul’ dan gave him?
All the more reasons I see perhaps one dragonflight will side with one of the main factions. If the Bronze Dragonflight end up aiding the Horde that is perhaps some indication they will join the Horde, if not I'd imagine this split off of the Bronze to be the start of the Infinite Dragonflight, and they end up siding with the Horde. As for the Alliance, I would say that the rebirth of the Black Dragonflight being a likely candidate. Why? Wrathion. His constant leaning and siding with the Alliance or Humans in general. Wrathion compelled the Humans of Ravenholdt manor to free him and assumed a Human form when not in his true form. In Pandaria, in the Wrathion questline he would claim he stands for the hero's faction, but for the Horde, he ends up switching to the Alliance anyway during the Darkspear Rebellion. Plus he had often collaborated with Anduin. In Warlords of Draenor, Wrathion was spotted visiting Admiral Taylor's Garrison prior to its take over by a necromancer. In the beta of Legion he was seen in Highmountain but was instead replaced in favor of the Ebonhorn questline. In the beta prepatch of BFA, Wrathion could be seen sitting in the Alliance embassy where you go to recruit allied races. Food for thought. I'm all for dragons, though!
Actually, Mag'har Orc monks does make sense. In Warcraft 3, there were "Blademasters" that have similar abilities to monk such as in making spitting images of themselves. How does this correlate to Mag'har orcs? The Burning Blade are known for being really fast warriors that can make phantoms of themselves to confuse their enemies as well as moving with great agility and speed to become invisible.
Funny thing but I wonder now if Guldan by saying "this was not our destiny" knew all along what will happen in the future like the best farseer in the universe and sacrificed himself to be one of biggest baddies to shape world as it is and defeat Legion XD
I am legit surprised we are using THOSE Mag'har and not the ones from Outland that we actually have access too. That Dark Portal is still there and we can go to Outland whenever we want
Maybe the Draenei making a pseudo-Inquisition for the Light is a defensive response to the Iron Horde and the Burning Legion; like how the Crusades were a defensive response to unwarranted Muslim aggression against, and persecution of, Christians.
Hmm. So Saurfang quits the horde because he thinks that Sylvanas's plague-blight methods are dishonorable and meanwhile the most honorable orc ever comes from Draenor. Let's see how this will play out. Although it smells to me like an overthrowing of Sylvanas. Like they said that the Lich King is not done with us yet. Does it mean he has a debt to collect ? Possibly taking out Sylvanas with him ? Now this gets interesting.
It would be interesting for me to see the Bronze Dragonflight in action again but I fear there will just be more dead/powerless dragons in the hands of Sylvanas just to play with the timeline and Nozdormu won't do shizzle because this isn't functional for the plot.
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funfact: Go'el in Hebrew means 'Redeemer' - Blizzard was totally conscious when they made him into Green Jesus lol
Except the fact that all events in his life hint to him being orc Moses and not Jesus.
@Jakub Bończak But he came back from death in cataclysm.
@Jakub Bończak Thats the biggest reason why they refer to him like that. He also a moral pillar and really ethical. Well some might disagree with that Mak Gora but the elements were really unstable in that fight and Garrosh had dragon shards.
It also means liberater. So Moses works too.
I thought they just wanted to name him after Goku and Superman (Kal EL)
The solid mspaint editing to give the orcs in the pics the red pox
You can dislike WoD as much as you want, the cg intro is one of the if not the best of them all.
Yeah... The cinematic intro for WoD is pretty cool. I'll give it that.
That was one of the few things I like about it.
I fully agree it also shows what WOD could of been which makes me sad :/
Nothing tops the in-game scene with Varian's sacrifice. Which makes the Vol'jin cine even more wrong, Do him justice in BFA pls!
I actually liked it until end game
I have been trying to explain to people that these new orcs are from 35 years after WoD and they are with our current timeline. Thank you for all that you do Nobbel. Great video as always. See you on the next one.
I think it would have been a lot more comprehensible if the WoD Iron Horde also had been in our present (35 years later) at the time of their invasion of Azeroth. As in, Garrosh went back 35 years in the past, but the Iron Horde spent 35 years to conquer Draenor and prepare their move onto Azeroth. Would have brought the two realities to the same time period. And Blizzard's reasoning as to how they didn't want grandpa warlords was stupid, since our Grommash wasn't a grandpa when he killed Mannoroth decades after the opening of the Dark Portal. And now we are unlikely to get a grandpa Grommash along with the mag'har either. It's like they are talking out of their arses...
Bindair Dundat agreed but there would have been no dreanei to help the alliance because that horde would have wiped them all out.
Bindair Dundat agreed but there would have been no dreanei to help the alliance because that horde would have wiped them all out.
Not necessarily. Remember that the two timelines were different, and conquer doesn't mean eradicate. There could have remained some draenei resistance fighters, or the Iron Horde could have simply enslaved them instead of killing them. Heck, without the demon control, the Iron Horde might even have allied with some of the draenei.
I always point to this video when people are too stupid to listen properly.
Let's take a minute to appreciate Grom's beautiful, silky smooth hair.
better looking hair than female orcs
Maybe he's born with it.
Or maybe it's *Mayballine*
one single thing is important of mag`har orcs lore
and is this
*KILROGG!!!*
It could be that the whole "cup of unity"-design which the Mag'har orcs use for their totems comes not directly from Gul'dan, but maybe Gul'dan used an already existing orc tradition to make the drinking of Mannoroth's blood seem more palatable to the orcs. Think how in the real world stories about the devil often have people signing away their souls with written contracts; it's using already existing imagery from that culture to make the pact with the devil more understandable and relatable. Perhaps Gul'dan was playing on some old orcish treaty ritual or something. Sharing a drink from a cup, or what have you. Just an idea.
I was thinking this too - the writing or carving on the cup(s) seems to be an already existing thing, rather than Gul'Dan seemingly taking a random cup from his overlords that has "Evil genocidal murderblood" written on it.
Breath
_Breath_
*Heavy Breath*
*Inhale*
KILROGG!!!!!!!!!
Is it bad I heard the squeeky Nixxiom version?
Not if you heard the breathing with a deep voice
Otherwise...
Meh
That I did lol
Mr. Bern
*plays grommash theme from wod*
have you ever thought what that name means? KILL-ROGUE!
Got my Mag'har Orc Rouge to level 110 and got my Heritage armor. Went for the Blackrock Clan look so I certainly feel faction pride now. The lore videos you do are awesome by the way.
Anyone else think Geya'rah is going to be the female version of Thrall? Instead of a son, Durotan and Draka had a daughter in this alt timeline. Named after her grandmother.
She is
I'm craving to see a Hellscream fighting with honor for the Horde again!
Christian Chisolm he won't.
@@Queltomen he didn't lol
hey nobbel, love your vids, keep up the good work.
Always appreciate your videos my man, keep up the great work!
I really like the Mag'har monks idea and thinking of making one. Seems like the best example of a Burning Blade blademaster style character. Agile, lightly armoured, trained and spinning around ^^
Garad with the pox is amazing Nobbel
wow i really like that they're going to sync the timelines xo cool idea
The burning blade clan was inspired by the Samurei so it makes perfect sence for them to be monks
Well, the monk class of WOW is more based around the Chinese version of monks, and Samurai are Japanese, but I get'cha. That and what Nobbel said sound like our best explanations for it, lol.
What Nobbel said, about monks going over to train them, doesn't make much sense, unless worgen an goblins can become monks too, since they've had far more exposure.
Ew, goblin monks. Their core values would conflict so much that they'd just explode. Like an undead paladin.
yes either monks or arms warriors
Gives me chills everytime I see garrosh save his father. This cinematic is one of the best of all WoW intros.
BfA is somewhat saving WoD in its own way. Personally I thought the mutual friend was Thrall but perhaps i'm wrong in that.
its either Thrall, Khadgar, or Saurfang if I had to guess.
Thrall is nobody's friend :/
I'm not sure that Khadgar will help the Horde finding new allies to crush the Alliance tho'
I'm not a fan of Burning Crusade myself - most of its lore is retconned or forgotten, plus was never involved in it sadly. Meanwhile Warlords of Draenor has both its charm and its... well it was WoD. There are many expansions to love over it and I fault no one for hating it - but WoD did have its good and i'd rather see the good again than the bad.
Honestly, WOD wasn't that bad in hindsight. Legion is so much worse in many ways. Legion started off awesome but was just the same repetitive boring bullshit throughout the entire expansion.
As far as I know, the H isn't silent in Mag'har (Mag like magazine, har like hard).
so , you say Mag'har means Hard magazine ?
I hope Grom Hellscream fights with the Horde a epic battle. It be awesome to see him and maybe Saurfang team up.
I can already see that coming down the pipeline
Won't happen sourfang left the horde on bfa. Also grom old as fuck and made a female orc be the speaker for them. Get ready for sjw feminism shit done wrong. Enjoy!
Runicknight facts.
Runicknight lolwut? Where have u been? Wow has sjw amd feminism shit everywhere. This expansion by far will bring more of that cancer into the game.
Zebu Vardare grom will be dead before bfa even gets going so no
Geya'ra is the name of the Orc who pledges allegiance to the Horde? Interesting, I wonder if Draka and Durotan had a Daughter or something, and named her after his mother. The name is quite close to her name. I can't wait to play the unlock scenario.
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Its probably Garrosh and the dragonmaw chick's daughter
One thing that always nagged at me in WoD was how did Gul'dan know that Garrosh was Grom's son? Garrosh never revealed that to Grom, or anyone to my knowledge, yet somehow Gul'dan knew. Only thing I can think of is that Kil'jaeden told him. Also, I want a high res Gorehowl for transmog to be available.
Gorehowl should have been the arms warrior artifact imo. Garrosh discarded it for his old god replica and we haven't seen it since. The one in WoD is the alternate Gorehowl like the alternate Doomhammer.
RatchildUK i thought the same but thinking now Stromkar is cool as fuck Arathor Empire was cool as fuck Barbarians are cool as fuck made my human warrior not so simple at least
A possible explanation for Mag'har monks could be the Burning Blade clan. Although their blademasters use two- handed swords, they are also masters of unarmed combat. They have also developed techniques that are very similar to that of a windwalker monk. I'm planning on leveling a Mag'har monk.
so if draenor orcs join the horde, what happens to the peace in draenor? i hope Yrel makes a comeback. she was rather young in wod, and draenei seem to live long lives.
They're either immortal or absurdly long lived. Velen is over 10,000 years old. A few others who have been around for many years too.
Isn't Velen over 25,000 years old?
Velen actually says that for a millennium the nothing legion chased his people across the Stars. A millennium is a million years, i know times works different in the twisting nether. But Velen might be ALOT older then we truly think he is.
A millennium is a thousand years.
Myrokordis 😑
Damn all that dialogue and stuff from garrosh and grommosh, why couldn’t we get that in warlords?
And I’m pretty sure he would’ve rejected his son if he knew anything that happened to horde instead only being told what he should hear.
Also isn’t the vision of time something from chronicle 3?
He’ll yeah the members of the horde get increased!
God damn 35 years and grom still looks good lol!
I miss Garrosh, at least he didn't plauge bomb his own horde forces
yeah,he used mana bombs and old god powers.....muuuch better.
But he didn't target his own forces with them. Thats the linchpin of it really.
Well he did.. Only orcs were allowed in the end.. So he did use the power against his own.. Though not saying the other thing is fine either cuz it's not xD
Thats because the other races betrayed him. Brush up on your lore champ. A bunch of old god cultists framed Garrosh for the attack in Ashenvale then instantly Vol'jin and Cairne wanted him dead. Garrosh quite earnestly and unironically did nothing wrong. The bombing of theramore was completely justified and using the old god heart would have secured a victory for the Horde if they werent all too busy betraying him for literally no reason
He at least let his enemies die in peace.
Man... WoD could have been so much better only if they continued with the story and didnt cut it... *sad Face*
i believe the bronze will help because alt dreanor was a timeline affected by the meddling of our time line so it's only fair to bring that dreanor to our time line because of not that alt reality could disapear eventually.
atleast that is what i understood when you explain what the bronze dragon do when they protect the main timeline.
Didn't the Bronze Dragons lose much of their time manipulation abilities after the defeat of Deathwing?
SnappyCenter7 Yes
great horde get's Mag'har orcs while aliance gor double corrupted elves, we want our Mag'har elves
look at the new datelined stuff to do with Yrel and the Draenai attitude towards the Orcs post wow- its intriguing.
They just data mined more info on the Mag'har joining the Horde. Eitrigg & the hero(you) meet Overlord Gey'arah who thinks you're working for the Draenei. Eitrigg explains and Grommash tells us what happened between the Orcs & Draenei. The Draenei are obsessed with the Naaru, the Naaru told the Draenei to spread their religion of the Light to the Orcs by any means necessary. Yrel is the Draenei Leader, and she has created a unique faction called the Lightbound, who are charged with spreading the Light to the Orcs by force. Gey'arah reveals she is Durotan's daughter(AU's version of Thrall) and Grommash's son(AU Garrosh) is a member of the Lightbound Orcs. Durotan was killed by the Draenei years ago. Most of the clans were wiped out or divided except the Blackrock, Frostwolf, and Warsong Clans. We basically are going to help them fight the Lightbound(AU's version of the Lightforged Draenei). The Draenei have become evil in this world because the shadow from Gul'dan and the Shadow Council did not challenge the Light, so Light became evil.
The Light itself isn't evil, even if some of it's users are (Scarlet Crusade) or turn to evil (Arthas). Maybe even the Draenei want justice for what the Orcs did to them with the Iron Horde and some of them went off the deep end. It's not like the Draenei attacked their peaceful Orc neighbors, destroyed their cities, slaughtered thousands of Orcs to fuel a portal so they could continue their conquest, paved a road to said portal in the bones of their victims, and almost drove the Orcs to extinction, while the Orcs have never done anything like that to the Draenei... OH WAIT!
First off, Light and Shadow are like yin and yang. We've constantly been led to believe Light is good and Shadow is bad. But Legion showed us that Light can become fanatical. The Naaru aren't always the holy all righteous beings we we're lead to believe. The Draenei are obsessed with the Naaru because they think they are the voices of the Light. Some Naaru are peaceful, while others are fanatical. If the Naaru told the Draenei to start committing a holy inquisition(based and inspired by the Spanish Inquisition from our timeline) and start forcing everyone around them to worship the same religion they do or die, the Draenei would do it. But I do agree some Draenei would feel a desire for revenge. But you have to remember, the events taking place in this Draenor are 40 years after Warlords of Draenor. Also the Dark Portal in Warlords of Draenor was only powered by Gul'dan and his Warlocks, while in our universe, it was Gul'dan and Medivh. You're probably thinking of the movie, which is entirely different. The Orcs in Draenor we're originally peaceful with the Draenei, until tensions rose when Gul'dan tricked an entire clan of Orcs into waging war against the Draenei, and then the Draenei slaughtered them all, which lead to no further peaceful relations between Orcs & Draenei. And it was Garrosh who tricked Grommash into making the Draenei another enemy of the Iron Horde. If it weren't for Garrosh, the Orcs would still just get brainwashed by Gul'dan and repeat history again.
While followers of the Light can become fanatical, evidence of which has existed since Wrath with the Scarlet Crusade, and the Naaru aren't infallible, I'm not sure that can be said of the Light itself (there's rumors that Elune is to the Light what the Void Lords are to the Void). In Warcraft 2 and 3, the Light was God (AKA the Judeo-Christian God) and the Light religion was Christianity before World of Warcraft retconned that. My mention of the paved bones refers to the lore from the Warcraft 2 game and the Burning Crusade expansion; Draenei refugees fled to the portal to escape, but so many were killed as they ran by orcs and demons the path was littered with dead Draenei whose bones remain there in Outland to this day. We both agree that even if Blizzard makes the Draenei bad guys, not all the Orcs are innocent victims. There are a lot of theories about why the Spanish Inquisition was formed irl, but it wasn't purely "convert or kill non-believers" (it was more about policing believers in the Spanish Empire, and they were actually fairer and less bloodthirsty than the secular courts they existed alongside during the 356 years the Spanish Inquisition was in power).
What makes me mad is how people start saying nonsense like "the Light is as bad as the Burning Legion and the Void" after a few IMPLIED OR ATTEMPTED forced conversions; especially since they have different goals and mo's. The Void and the Burning Legion are sadistic, the former wants an dark eternal free-for-all bloodbath (like the Black Empire and the Elemental Wars) while the latter wants to kill or corrupt everyone to push some cosmic reset button, even the Army of the Light doesn't make being Light-infused mandatory and they do allow non-Light powers (notice how NPC Archmage Y'mera wasn't forced to give up Arcane magic by Xe'ra). Does Light infusion take away your free well? The "holy Dreadlord" Lothraxion talked Xe'ra out of killing Alleria, something he couldn't have done if she controlled him.
That cutscene is absolutely badass!
It is obvious that Mag'Har can be Priests with the Shadowmoon clan in mind because their dark magic isn't like that of the Warlocks it is more like Shadow Priests.
The more and more I think about it...I’m starting to like WoD...yes I know there was a lot of content cut and the garrisons didn’t go very well...but I try to find something I dislike about it, but it’s hard for me to find anything.
Edit: but then I remember there is an entire raid tier missing
It was just super boring and so many meh moments with the cut content cutting into the lore. Also its still a big slap in the face that Grom was just as genocidal and war hungry as his fel version, yet after he helped in 1 fight all of a sudden he is a good guy and Yrel is standing next to him in victory? He slaughtered most of Draenor just because he wanted to, but now he is a allied race leader? Blegh.
Xander yeah I was having trouble figuring out the whole alt timeline Star Trek bullshit
I do agree that’s it’s weird how Grom went from most likely the final boss to being the hordes’ bestie
Sample Shrimp not missing...theres a tomb stone
I don't want spoilers, but its too damn entertaining to stop
Hi Nobbel87,
Really awesome video. Enjoyed the lore. Please do more Allied race Lore. Thanks =)
How are people actually capable of disliking Nobbel
I like Nobbel, even though I suspect we disagree on a few things (eg; our views on Illidan and Xe'ra).
His knowledge of the lore is unfathomable and I wish I could watch even one of his videos to the end, were it not for the fact that a) he speaks way too fast, b) he speaks every line of text as if it were an epic story and c) his pronunciation of the letter R is very annoying. With that being said, I would never dislike his videos.
I am. Nigga needs to learn to speak better.
Shoresy 69 wait are you serious lol
There is a space in between the two words with a hard H... mag' Har
OH MAN, I can't wait to see your reaction to the FULL story with what happened after Archimonde died... For the light?
I'm amazed and almost disapointed you didnt asked Nixxiom permission to use his videos for this XD specially the Kilrogg! and the final cinematic with Hellscream
I just love the whole "We will fight with you to defeat the legion" idea and then Yrel doesn't join anything and the Mag'har orcs join an expansion late XD
The scene where Grom took the explosion from Mannaroth back at RoC was devastating. I felt really sad that he had to end up that way, and the WoD cinematic just reminded me of how sad it was. Feelsbadman
Found this doing character research for my dnd half orc Paladin. His father was killed and his cousin possessed by a demon lord. This stuff is perfect
22:58 "Enough of this wibbly wobbly timey wimey " can be a direct reference to the popular British show "Doctor Who".
*shudders* Garrison Shipyard... Awesome video as always Nibbler
I think it's more fitting that the Mag'har joined the Alliance since they lived side by side with the draenai, and to see that Sylvanas is not an honourable Warchief. Also in WoD, Khadgar has a great relationship with Mag'har and the Draenai
Yrel is willing to help she says... Yeah, we'll see where her help leads her and the draenei..
This is has to be my favorite cinematic. Everyone craps on WoD, but for me and and I'm guessing 1%, this was a decent expansion. But it all started with this very cinematic. Well done blizz with such a great cinamatic
let's not forget that the Pit Lord Mannoroth was the first lieutenant of Kil'jaeden himself the second most powerful in the Burning Legion, Sargeras being the first, making Mannoroth one of the most powerful demons alive at the time, and Grommash Hellscream along with the help of the Iron Horde killed him without the demon blood.
So question: In the alternate universe, the Orcs never invaded Azeroth, so the events that originally kicked off the Warcraft universe never happened. However, doesn't that mean that Azeroth in the alternate universe will be woefully unprepared for the Legion when it shows up, (because its constantly argued that the war between the Horde and Alliance has led to the heroes of Azeroth being much more powerful and capable than they would be otherwise). Doesn't that mean that by interfering with history, and now pulling the strength of the Mag'har for ourselves, aren't we condemning alternate Azeroth and therefore the entire alternate universe to destruction either by the Legion or the Void?
ZubZub well the legion is essentially gone now
Not sure but i heard there was only one burning legion.
That wouldnt be our "problem", you see the thing thats missing is the actual corruption of the orcs - AU orcs will never devestate the Draenei and their environment, so they wont go to Azeroth.
Without the Mag'har orcs on AU though.. the Draenei are kinda fucked xd
Even if our actions did doom an alternate Azeroth, there’s nothing we can do about it at this point. The Orcs were called to Azeroth originally by Medivh and Gul’dan creating the Dark Portal. Now that Gul’dan is gone from the alternate timeline, the Dark Portal will never be completed. Unfortunately, the Legion of the alternate timeline still exists (I think), but they’ve probably chosen to leave Draenor alone for now considering they lost one of their leaders there. They’ve probably gone to some other world and bent the natives to their will to invade Azeroth. Maybe the Protoss?
There is only one Legion and the only timeline that matters is the main one ( the main river analogy) so it's unlikely that the legion would invade alt azeroth anyway... dont ask me why blizz did it that way, but its how it is... besides, the legion is gone now...
lol dark iron dwarf is prolly like Go to IF and ask "hey guys, you wanna keep doing what you've been doing for almost a decade?"
Warcraft 4 should be set on Alt' Draenor and try to fix the lore.
Hoard: curropted by fel
Alliance: curropted by void
Awesome story. GJ, Garrosh! Gromash too.
Will there be something regarding the Shattered Hand clan? As an Alliance fan, I have always had an interest in their clan specifically.
Doug Buckner I hope so, but we haven't seen any skin variation for them
There is 2 skins for shattered hand but no hand missing. The one with bone piercings on the arm like kargath and the other pale one with scars across the chest are the 2 skins for that clan both pale skinned.
At 18:23 love his reaction regardless of the Expansion
If they actually managed to keep peace with the dreanei, this gromash is probably alot calmer than ours ever was. Then again ours might have just been so calm because he was just waiting to die.
I'm pretty sure that the "mutual friend" is Thrall/Goel who has been living on Draenor all this time with Aggra, their kids, and his family and learning to be a better shaman from Regar/learning with him. If the corruption is in fact leaving the orcs as Nobbel said, I wonder if we are going to get to see a brown skinned Goel... that would be amazing. Seeing his kids all grown up and leading the Frostwolves will be really interesting too. (35-50 years has passed on their side after all) It'd explain why he dissipated after the whole Doomhammer incident and was AWOL for all of Legion. Geya'rah... named fro Greatmother Geya anyone? Probably Goel's daughter.
Hey nobbel love ur vids man I wanna be like you one day and I really love the let's plays and the live streams there are so awesome
Love all your lore vids. Just out of curiosity, would you ever consider making a lore vid on "what would happen if Garrosh was not evil in Mists of Pandaria?" I have seen a guy by the name of Noxxoim do something like that for Arthas if he never took up the blade Frostmourne.
I wonder if we're gonna see any important interaction (maybe even a cutscene) between the Mag'har Orcs and our actual orcs who are still.. pretty much green.
For example, Mag'har don't really know how it is to have made a really bad choice like drinking the demon blood. I'm not referring to the fact that our orcs drinking the demon blood actually helped the grand scheme of things.. but I'm rather thinking about the Mag'har orcs' feelings towards something their alternate selves kinda felt.. It's weird but maybe someone gets me :P
These kind of interactions, plus the ones between Zandalari Trolls and the normal ones (Darkspear I presume) or between Void Elves and Blood Elves, would potentially be interesting lore ideas to put forward and develop.
This is just my opinion tho.
Orcs does not apologize for past actions, nor does they demand apologies from its enemies.
I WANT to watch your videos, but since Cata I've basically spoiled every expansion before I played it...
So I decided to wait (for the most part) this time around... course... guess who got the Beta :^)
Been enjoying it slowly while leaving the Dev's plenty of comments.
Goddamit! Where the hell is Rexxar!?
The Bystander apperently in legion, if u play a hunter he becomes one of ur followers
He is a makn’thal idk how to say it but basically he is part orc part ogre
Could you do a speculationvideo what might have happend on alternet Azeroth?
Are the people still living in peace or are they burning in the fires of the old gods?
Have Deathwing become a felfire breathing monstrosity?
And do we need to go there and save them before it spreads to us.
Will we face the full power of the old ones there with N'Zoth as the endboss?
23:46 Foreshadowing now. Geyarah treats Honor no different than Saurfang does. But the Honor he witnesses with Sylvanas is faulty so he defects from Sylvanas. I see that The Horde as a whole will have a sort of "Iron" paradigm shift in the future.
Geyarah is not "he". She is daughter of Durotan.
I'm more interested in alternate draenei. They are similar to our draenei so they certainly won't be an allied race but it feels really weird Horde/Älliance power balance would remained the same with the whole bloody planet of orcs helping them. Also I really like Yrel and think the biggest of WoD mistakes were to cut out her story. I need to know how she's doing.
Haa Nobbel! I've just finished 'rise of the horde'. And looking back to the whole orc stroryline...why are the orcs not involved in the Legion expansion??? The burning legion, orcs, draenei...it could have been a great chance to close this storyline and a bridge to the maghar orcs. What are your toughts?
Good vid, even as a boring Alliance main I enjoyed the story I don't get to experience first hand.
I'm curious, what accent is that mate?
Rhox Omega i thought he was from the netherlands.
Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey, that's a Doctor Who reference...
Oh hey look uncorrupted orcs, if only alliance could get uncorrupted blood elves.
the captions during the cinematic lolol XD
I love the fact that they can't be warlocks along with them being able to be priests. A nice little detail compared to our orcs.
Hello Nobbel...could you make video(i know u will make at one time) about recently revealed datamined informations about Maghar orc scenarios and Lightbound draenei? it seems like super interesting stuff)
Disclaimer, I think Warlords zones are gorgeous and beautiful. Not all o fWarlords was a bad in my opinion and it paved the way for Legion. Now here is a list of things i wish didnt happen or did happen in Warlords.
1: Bigger and Better story that properly and thouroughly gave the Orcs of lore a spotlight. The Bonechewers got deleted. Killrog (my personal favorite) was absolutely and utterly pissed on. Grom didnt make any sense. Orgrim was deleted. etc etc. And thats just with the Orcs. They should have done more with the Ogre Lore and all that. Because i wanted to see Ogres in their prime and we got barely any of that.
2: They should have had a working train from Gorgrond to Taanan like orginally planned.
3: Garrisons WERE cool (thats just my opinion) they could have been better but i find Garrison stuff some of the most fun in Warlords.
3: i guess in the end im just super ultra mega dissapointed in the story. it started REALLY STRONG! and then....literally just fkn quit trying
I thought Durotans father was slain in combat in the Durotan audiobook by a red walker orc after being sick from a cursed knife that Gul’ dan gave him?
Good thing the Mag’har orcs aren’t the same character design as regular orcs. These guys have floating hands instead, best allied race design yet.
Interesting little tid bit here, Grommash's voice actor is the same one as Principal Luis on American Dad.
All the more reasons I see perhaps one dragonflight will side with one of the main factions. If the Bronze Dragonflight end up aiding the Horde that is perhaps some indication they will join the Horde, if not I'd imagine this split off of the Bronze to be the start of the Infinite Dragonflight, and they end up siding with the Horde.
As for the Alliance, I would say that the rebirth of the Black Dragonflight being a likely candidate. Why? Wrathion. His constant leaning and siding with the Alliance or Humans in general. Wrathion compelled the Humans of Ravenholdt manor to free him and assumed a Human form when not in his true form. In Pandaria, in the Wrathion questline he would claim he stands for the hero's faction, but for the Horde, he ends up switching to the Alliance anyway during the Darkspear Rebellion. Plus he had often collaborated with Anduin. In Warlords of Draenor, Wrathion was spotted visiting Admiral Taylor's Garrison prior to its take over by a necromancer. In the beta of Legion he was seen in Highmountain but was instead replaced in favor of the Ebonhorn questline. In the beta prepatch of BFA, Wrathion could be seen sitting in the Alliance embassy where you go to recruit allied races.
Food for thought. I'm all for dragons, though!
The mutual friend is obviously khadgar.
So if you knocked up a mag'har girl, you could meet your 35-year-old child. You could play as father and have your son/daughter as your alt.
Actually, Mag'har Orc monks does make sense. In Warcraft 3, there were "Blademasters" that have similar abilities to monk such as in making spitting images of themselves. How does this correlate to Mag'har orcs? The Burning Blade are known for being really fast warriors that can make phantoms of themselves to confuse their enemies as well as moving with great agility and speed to become invisible.
Hehehe i undersstand now why the Mag'har not big fans of the draenei >:3
The captions during the WoD intro was a bit skewered.
Lmao the captions during the WoD cinematic 😂
Wasn't there a time when you could play a race for the opposite faction? I remember an ad for a human in the Horde, and an orc in the Alliance.
Funny thing but I wonder now if Guldan by saying "this was not our destiny" knew all along what will happen in the future like the best farseer in the universe and sacrificed himself to be one of biggest baddies to shape world as it is and defeat Legion XD
I am legit surprised we are using THOSE Mag'har and not the ones from Outland that we actually have access too. That Dark Portal is still there and we can go to Outland whenever we want
Maybe the Draenei making a pseudo-Inquisition for the Light is a defensive response to the Iron Horde and the Burning Legion; like how the Crusades were a defensive response to unwarranted Muslim aggression against, and persecution of, Christians.
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Rayman called. He want his hands back.
Mag'Har orcs were taught the way of the Monk, but Worgen and Goblins still have not...
I was honestly surprised they kept iron horde tech
OMG the mag'har orcs gonna have priest? wow what a good time to become orc.
Maybe now we'll finally get some proper interaction between Thrall and Durotan or Hellscream... WoD certainly failed to do that (among other things)
I want Vykrul as an Alliance Allied race that'd be epic!
Hmm. So Saurfang quits the horde because he thinks that Sylvanas's plague-blight methods are dishonorable and meanwhile the most honorable orc ever comes from Draenor. Let's see how this will play out. Although it smells to me like an overthrowing of Sylvanas. Like they said that the Lich King is not done with us yet. Does it mean he has a debt to collect ? Possibly taking out Sylvanas with him ? Now this gets interesting.
Okay I'll say it...
NO EXPECTS THE DRAENEI INQUISITION!!!
If you think about it, mage doesn't go well with them either, since they don't have any source of arcane energy on Dreanor.
It would be interesting for me to see the Bronze Dragonflight in action again but I fear there will just be more dead/powerless dragons in the hands of Sylvanas just to play with the timeline and Nozdormu won't do shizzle because this isn't functional for the plot.