No, Katie is wagging her tail saying, "No, Mr. Magnante, that's not correct." It's easy to determine a GMC and a Chevrolet in these years by the VIN. GMC trucks use a letter for the model year, while Chevrolet trucks use a number. Some characters were also in different spots as noted below. Correct, this is a 1970 Chevrolet C30 cab and chassis with a hood from a GMC truck. Correct, engine suffix code "TAR" is a truck engine, a 307 V8 for 1970 with a two barrel and approximately 200 gross horsepower, manual transmission used on the 3/4- and 1-ton vehicles. Yes, with the VIN, you win: C for 2WD conventional chassis, E for V8 gasoline engine equipped, 3 for 1 ton rated, 3 for cab and chassis, 0 for 1970 model year, T for Tarrytown, NY assembly and the rest is the production sequence. The Tarrytown (North) or "Sleepy Hollow" Assembly plant operated from 1896 (as the Stanley Steam Car Company) until 1996 when it last assembled the "Dustbuster" minivans through June of 1996. It was purchased by GM in 1918 after Chevrolet was integrated into GM by that time. No SPID, wish you did, but this is possibly code 505 Dark Green exterior paint. The plant was a known gross polluter of the Hudson River and it was said that you could tell what color vehicles that they were painting on a given day by the color of the water. A 1970 GMC equivalent VIN would be something like: C for conventional cab 2WD, E for V8 gas equipped, 3 for 1 ton rated, 03 for cab and chassis, T for Tarrytown, NY assembly, Z for 1970 model year and the rest would be the production sequence. Correct, you can order a cab and chassis from Chevrolet and GM today, but anything bigger than a 1 ton is only available as a Chevrolet in their "HD" line. GMC does not have a equivalent as of this writing. This line has been a poor showing for GM versus Ford and even Stellantis, as not many dealers have signed up for taking on the line. Several dealers I know won't even touch it, even with prodding from GM executives. Many of those executives recently took the GM buyout package and are now gone. The HD line is produced alongside of the Navistar equals in their Springfield, OH plant and Fontaine's Springfield, OH facility is the main modification location for those trucks. I've been to that location and it's a big warehouse of vehicles in various stages of modification. It's about an hour away from Columbus, OH on Eagle Road in Springfield off I-70. Yes, many times there were homemade bodies made by industrious folks, especially in places like New England.
@@LongIslandMopars Possibly. Elsewhere to my knowledge. Pontiac, MI, Quebec, Canada and Ontario Canada come to mind depending on the vehicle. The RTSII that many cities ran in the 1970s through the 2000s (and still some today) were assembled in Roswell, NM.
@@LongIslandMopars one of our first cars was an 80's xbody pontiac phoenix made there. My grandfathers chevy Bel Airs came from here also.Rust got em but they were well built ...
I worked in a cemetery during college. We had a few vehicles modified like this one. Some were rebuilt and repurposed, some were modified brand new. I can still hear the dump bed extending in my head. Thanks as always for the education and hard work ~ Chuck
My mom had a 69 Chevelle Malibu 307, with a powerglide 2 speed, it ran OK, 200 hp. It was a bit of an odd bird, red, white vinyl top, black interior. In 1974 she traded it for a Camaro, 350 2 bbl with a whopping 145 hp. What a gutless slug, no more burn outs, for this teenager at the time! Lol
A lot could be done with that Camaro, even with the smogged out 350. Even back then, performance parts were a dime a dozen for the Chevrolet small block.
Steve... you deserve the Congressional Medal of Honor.... or maybe an Oscar. I don't know, but I love watching your videos. PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON THE 1965 Chrysler 300, NewPort, NewYorker~!!
Steve great information on the truck. The cab lights were optional on C10, C20, K10 and K20 trucks. I have a few of these trucks that have them from the factory as an option. The RPO code for the option was "(U01)". As far as GMC or Chevy easy to tell from the front headlights. GMC has four lights and Chevy has two. GMC usually had the gauge bezel painted to match interior color also, whereas Chevy would be Black or woodgrain covered if Cheyenne or CST truck. Once again great information on the truck.
Those were very good trucks, and very popular with farmers, a flat bed with removable side racks or just a dedicated livestock box were very common. I drove several of these trucks and the only thing that might have made them better, would have been a 2 speed rear axle
30 years ago i talked to gentleman that had 20 of these 67-72 truck stashed in barns from panels wagons to custom trim sports, i asked why, he told me i will be a classic truck one day, local chevy dealer has a 71 gmc half ton orange/white 350 engine/air/pwstr. In the showroom 71,000 dollars, but those square bodys are starting to creep up in price to along with those ford dent sides!
I left a note on a 1979 10th Anniversary Trans Am in my neighborhood. The guy called me up and said, "I saw you putting the note on the car from my camera. I have a whole warehouse full of them". I have to get back in touch with him.
I have 2 of these. Both straight 6, with “4” speed transmissions. One has that roof the other no. One is same color as interior but with small back window. No arm rests. I like the window rain guards on it. I would have taken them. Good stuff as always!
Yes, they were iron but had much THICK oak planking inboard of the outer sheathing to add strength and support the structure. The Merrimac was burned, the Monitor sank off Cape Hatteras. Both wreck sites have lots of wood debris scattered with the iron. About that wood, who knew that enemy shells would hit the outer iron sheathing and bounce off BUT in certain cases the kinetic energy would cause splinters of the inner wood structure to become nasty projectiles within the cannon rooms. Must have been an ugly learning curve. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante Yeah... I knew that... yeah... But seriously, I DID know that, but I thought it was strictly defensive, backing up the iron to just the purpse you mentioned: to cause projectiles to bounce off instead of penetrating. Wood is lighter than iron, so if you back up a relatively thin layer of iron with wood, it would be as strong as, if not stronger overall, than a thicker sheet of iron on it's own. But I haven't studied it in depth, so of course I'll accept your explanation.
You dont find this type of content often - chock full of interesting history. Hoping to see Steve's numbers up there with Demuro and Hoovie someday. Keep up the great work. Videos make me want to go visit junkyards.
Junks yards are the man’s outlet store! I used to say junkyards are a man’s Mall, most malls are gone now! But outlet stores are the new malls! I Love Junkyards!😊
Believe it or not some people actually wanted wood dump bed trucks depending on what they might be hauling. Certain farm chemicals are corrosive to steel and also if your hauling salt you don't want a steel bed unless it's made from stainless but those cost quite a bit more than wood.
great video once again. queen katie was doing her best to steal the scene, Saturday morning, cup of coffee and the crawl. Great way to start the weekend!
Just out of high school I bought a Chevy Cab Chassis thinking I could make a dually pickup. That is when I learned the Cab Chassis frame was 4” longer from the back of the cab, and the axle was much too narrow. The drums were right against the springs. A dually pickup would have been the correct length for a 8’ bed, and had the Dana 80 that was much wider. Live and learn!
One of my fondness memories was my 70 Chevy C10 pickup. I was 1979 and it was one of my first Vehicles in life. I put an aluminum cap with Curtains, all the way around 😂.. Enjoy your episodes.
I saw one of these yesterday ( New Zealand) but it was a '69 C20 , and it had signwriting on it " LA county lifeguards" or something like that , might have had " Baywatch " on it , probably a tribute ? Whatever , it took me by surprise.
Mr. B. Here ! ☕️☕️🍩🍩 Morning to all ! Steve when the Mrs. & I lived in Mass I drove many of vehicles that ! The feeling was mine blowing it felt like you lost part of the truck ! Have a good day ! 👍👍👍👍
Always a joy, always informative, the vast knowledge shared is a wealth by Steve mags....only missing the fun gouge at motor trend...is that a subtle whining like a bad power steering pump I hear...lol
Once again, not split rims. Lock ring wheels. Perfectly legal. It's also worth mentioning, cab and chassis rear rails are different then pickups. Cab/chassis have flat rails, 34" on center, industry standard to make fitting custom beds easier.
About 30 years ago i picked up a running 1971 Chevy 2WD with a 307, 3 spd on column. 3/4 ton. Cost? $100.00. And it ran. Had an 8 foot factory wooden bed which was rare since most of the beds made were metal. And if i remember right, if someone here can correct me. I think the 307 was rated for 215 horsepower since it was in a 3/4 ton. Great video Steve and always on these videos a thumbs up from me!!!
@@mromatic17I want to go racing in the "24 Hours of LeMons" series where you can't spend more than $500 (net) on the car outside of tires and safety parts. I need to find one of those $50 running, driveable cars!
@@mromatic17 My girlfriend bought me my first car, it was a 1961 Pontiac tempest! She paid 40.00 dollars for it, in 1976, it ran like a Swiss watch! Wish I still had them both! LOL!
Knobs on the aftermarket radio appear to be off a ‘61 or ‘62 full-size Chevy…….🤔 My dad had a ‘72 C20 and when he would go down to our local Skelly station for his Saturday morning fill-up, I remember sticking my head out the driver side window and smelling the sweet emanating fumes of that leaded gasoline as the tank was being filled via the cab-mounted filler! That right there likely explains a lot of things in my life………😂 Growing up, one of our “country neighbors” who had a good job at the cardboard box factory bought a new Ford half ton every two years. Always dark blue, always with a white aluminum topper (very similar in styling to the truck bed camper shown in Steve’s brochure) installed on Day 2, and always with a set of (I’m assuming aftermarket?) marker lights mounted on the cab roof! One of the more vivid visual memories I have from my childhood is his truck driving slowly by our house just as the sun was going down with his marker lights glowing bright orange in the Minnesota twilight……..👍
Actually, I think all Chevrolet's used that knob through 1964. Both of my 62 Nova's and my 64 corvair have that knob. My 65 has a more mushroom lookin' knob
There is a good YT video about Skelly service in the 1960s. I enjoy watching it as that is the type of station I would love to hang around in after I retire.
@@xfactorautomotive1496 - Yeah - my sister had a ‘63 BelAir and my folks had a ‘64 Impala, but for some reason I don’t remember the radio knobs on those……???
@@googleusergp - I’ll have to check that out! When I was a kid, I thought the most glamorous job in the world was working as an attendant at our Skelly station! This was back in the full service days when they would check your oil and wash your windshield while your tank was being filled! I was always mesmerized by their perfect technique for dragging the squeegee across the glass and leaving behind nothing but a perfectly clear windshield! Sadly, our Skelly was torn down before I was working age - the owner moved his business to an old Phillips 66 station that had been abandoned. As an homage to my childhood dream, I had NOS “Skelly” patches and “Dave” name patches sewn onto a navy blue Dickies work shirt and a navy blue Dickies mechanic’s jacket that I wear with pride on occasion…….😂
@@ddellwo When I worked at the auto parts manufacturer, my friend put a "GM Goodwrench" work shirt in my office on a hanger. The owner's son told us to remove it (politely) as "they are competitors". Funny thing is that we supplied some OEM parts and we often bought parts from OEM sources and reboxed them as our own. LOL.
Steve I put a 307 in a 87 3/4 ton Truck, My 350 had a rod knock, I modified the bolt holes on the throttle body manifold, I have to be honest, That motor Ran Great with injection, Purred , Strong, on hills 4 speed truck. No smoke passed emissions every year.
I feel so bad for all y'all emissions test states. And the inspections. If we had all that here in Alabama there'd be no way most of us could even get to work. 😏 Heck we wasn't even required to have insurance until around the turn of the century.
@@jimc3688 I would be compelled to agree with you there, but my doggone cousin Colton just bought one of those Razor ATV deals... That thing cost him $12k and he said the one he wanted was $20k.. Bruh.. 😳 I wanna go and join him and everyone he's running with but I don't see dropping no $10k . I'll weld myself up a buggy and put a engine in it. Before I drop that kind of coin... Just sayin
We had a '73 C60 on the farm. 350 cube 2bbl. 2 speed rear. It did everything we asked it too. It had an overspeed light that came on if you started pushing the motor too hard. Had an earlier model with a 292 six banger in it too. Great hard workers. Liked gas aloy though
I don't think I ever watch one of these without learning something. I had a '71 F350 so a lot of this is familiar. BIL got A '70 C10/20/30? from my dad that had been part of a fleet build for a utility company. His best bud was a tool set up man at ball bearing company that had a contract with GM. also a VERY! competitive G stock drag racer with mostly Pontiacs (So he knew his stuff!!!) That truck A short bed stepside , had a commercial step van front end and a 2 speed Dump truck rear end. and a center carrier bearing for the 2 piece driveshaft (This was a Short wheelbase truck , remember) That was completely of unknown origin. BFF had access to the complete GM Data base of blueprints. for such parts. BIL did get a ticket for driving out of class once when carrying a load of 1's & 2"s after he had built the bed up with plywood Long Ways! (8 foot high!) cop said he only stopped him because he saw gravel falling of the top of his load! Having worked in high end manufacturing for many years I know what it takes to get something built in production. I would wonder how those Chevy COPO Cars could be factory built and then I thought about this truck!
GMH in Australia offered the woeful 307 as an option for a few years before the vastly better local 308 came out. Amazing how people got sucked in back then thinking they were getting some sort of road burner because it was a chev V8... even worse was the 305 they optioned though.
The '5 litre' HK 307 option was standard with Powergilde, but there were reportedly some four speeds. It was only hampered by its lack of cubes and 2bbl and that gearbox. The 186 HK Premier also ran a Powerglide. The Brougham 307 5 lit're' did easy 18 second quarter miles, the 186 auto without the S options 2bbl, that was a slug. Have a great day. 🥝✔️
The 305 HO wasn't as sluggish tho. But I've honestly only seen a handful of those and they were all in 3rd gen Camaros. I do remember how good they sounded with header pipes.
@@lilmike2710 The 305 HO 190 HP 4bbl variant was a Great 🚂 engine. Only problem, G body or F car, or the CA one year Corvette, was it always carried another 500 pounds of car that Ford's less powerfull 5 liter Mustangs didn't carry. So in the minds of people, it's an also ran. It was a great little engine.
@@deanstevenson6527 indeed. They're comparable to the 4.6 ohc engine, like what's in the 97 mustang that I have at home.... 😏 Desperately needing a cat converter delete. Lol they're clogged and have my pony running like 💩 and I certainly ain't replacing them at $800 a pop!! And there's 4 of them!!!
My Brother Bud had one of these . The Granny Gear was so Powerful that you could dump the clutch and it would not stall . Even sitting still with the brake on and clutch engaged !
I have a 1999 C3500 1 ton dually; With a Heil dump bed. In 99 they weren't known as a cab,& chassis; They were sold as incomplete from factory to the dealer who would out source the body you would want put on; Such as Box, stake body, Or a dump bed. My truck is quite loaded with options, snow plow equipped; plow blade was removed when I bought it used; Tinted windshield, power steering, A/C , & a am/fm radio. The engine is a 5.7 with a automatic trans. With disc brakes up front, & drums on the rear. The best thing about the truck it only has 53,000 on the clock.
The 307 I built for my 69 chevelle was a tire smoking machine. Had a 465/488 282/292 adv duration cam and an edelbrock performer and a 600 double pumper, and headers. The rest of it was stock internals. Ran 15.80 in the 1/4 spinning tires to 60’.. I’d have a 307 any day over a 305
I have a 71 Chevy 307 put a 4bl heads intake 4bl carb was the most reliable motor ever had and it did go pretty good beat it up for 5 years finally put it down at the junk yard should've kept it who knew lmao ✌️
My second car when I was 16 was a 1970 Nova with a 307. (First car was a 1963 corvair Monza coupe). I worked at a speed shop called Hi-Rev after school and weekends, and I tried everything to wake up that 307....headers and twice pipes, Edelbrock intake with a quadrajet, even a crane cam. It was still a pooch. Being a dumb kid at the time, I never addressed the fact that it most likely had a 2.73 rear axle and the powerslide trans didn't do it any favors either. So honestly, a can't say if it was the 307 or the drivetrain that made it gutless with any certainty...but I'm thinking a combination of all the above. My third car...1965 nova/ 327/ 4-speed was a VAST improvement!
@@marioncobaretti2280I still can't figure out what's up with the picture of a Hilborn-injected drag engine sitting on some dead guy's chest. Seriously, what's up with that??? 🤔
I had a 1970 C/10 Suburban with the 307...i promptly pulled it out and put in a 66 283. It ran so well after that... combined with a sunroof, stereo and Cadillac power front seat...
My dad had a 1967 C10 Chevy p/u. dark.grn. small r/window, straight 6,3 on the tree....he bought it brand new... I learned how to drive on that thing when I was 12 years old! Great memories!
Small businesses and farmers built those dump boxes. I am always amused by the concern for gas tanks inside the cab. Only real bother was the smell after filling or if there was a small leak. Much like the gas tank under the driver's seat on a Jeep. Not ever really considered a fire hazard and I don't no how many died because the tank was there. Seems like there were more complaints from rear and side mounted tanks. It might be more of a perceived problem much like COE vehicles.
We were just talking about this at work. My coworker was saying he flipped one of our trucks in the early 1980s (an early Ford) and he and his partner came out of it smelling like gasoline from it all spilling all over them. Some older guy saw what happened and came running over smoking a cigarette. My coworker told him, "We're good, get outta here with that cigarette.". LOL.
@3:33 is a big red Dodge truck, which uses the late '50s pickup cab! Dodge used that cab as late as 1975, I believe, on their Big Horn conventional road tractors.
Yes! That's a nifty Dodge truck in the background. We did cover it in a Junkyard Crawl video a year or so ago. If you go to the Channel Playlist, you can see the video. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
The Ford store I worked at in the late 80's sold a pretty good number of cab and chassis, mostly 3/4 and 1 tons. One morning, I can in and someone had stolen the outside duals off of one and the exhaust system off another. Believe me, a dually with no duals looks goofy as hell, and a 460 with no exhaust sounds awesome.
My brother had one of those in the early 70s, he’s was a stake bed truck. He used for his iron works. Boy I remember it so well. 3 speed manual on the column. What a great truck it was! Great video Steve.
The cab roof lights, wasn’t required per GVW, but was required on all cab/chassis trucks, and anything sold with a wide bed on it, stale bed, box truck, chassis mounted camper…. If it was wider than the cab, it got the lights. However, if it was a one ton with the 9 foot stepside bed, or the 8 1/2 foot longhorn fleetside bed… lights weren’t required. As for the C-10 and 20 trucks you could get the cab marker light optional, with the raised stamped mounting pad. K series 10 and 20 series had the option also. Some of the GMC trucks of the era had some weird VINs.
Good morning I am also in vero beach getting ready to leave to go to the car show in Melbourne at Dunkin donuts I am driving my 57 Chevy. You should go it's 8 -12 we at the gas station on 510 across from CVS and take A1A to Melbourne.
I remember when the 1988 Chevy and GMC trucks came out while working at a Chevrolet dealer. The corporate Chevy rep told us the demand for the Chevy Cab & Chassis, and Suburban trucks was so huge, GM could not afford to stop the assembly line to retool their Cab & Chassis & Suburban plants to retool for the new body style for a couple more years.
@ Steve......Sadly most people DO NOT realize or understand that a small block Chevy 307 is basically a large journal 327 block!! The only difference is the size of the piston bore, and if you ram the thing out to a 4 inch bore, it becomes a 327 cubic inch!! Another thing that is often over looked in the stroke in the 283 small block, 327 small block and the early 307 CHEVY small blocks are all exactly the same!! BUT in the late 1970s the 307 cubic inch engine used in the 1978 to 1984 Malibu, Cutlass, El Camino, Phoenix, Skylark/ Apollo/ Regal, were actually built by Oldsmobile and based off the 350 Rocket engine!!! And the late 1960s and early 1970s, 307 engines all had a bore of 3.875", just 0.125" short of becoming a 327!! So the point to that last sentence IS, there is plenty of "wall thickness" to punch a 307 out to a true 327 cubic inch engine and then swap the pistons from a 4 inch bore (327) engine into it which fits directly to the connecting rods you already have in the 307!!
Morning Steve....that cab and chassis look to be in descent restorable condition. Throw in an ls,chrome buds,wood stake bed,and you've got a descent oldie. It would be a labor of love .
Hi Steve, good video! The lights on top of the cab, are mandated to identify the truck, bus, trailer or any vehicle that is OVER 80 inches wide. The fact the the truck that you profiled is equipped with double rear wheels falls into that mandate. The three center lights identify the vehicle as over 80" wide, and the the far outside lights are clearance lights. Please reply. Dave...
The little square plug in the block behind the water pump always indicates a 4 bolt main engine. Never thought there was a 307 4 bolt main built. Only 350. Am I wrong ??
I had a G-30 passenger van(1983) back in the late 80’s and early 90’s. 350 four barrel, 16.5 inch wheels,etc. Great reliable truck. Gas milage on the other hand…
One question that came to mind on these old one-tons - did the manufactures beef up or use different frames for the heavier load-rated trucks? Obviously springs, suspension components, axles, and housings were stronger. Over the years I’ve seen a few old pickups, usually half ton long beds that looked like the frame was bent around the juncture of the cab and bed. And when I did see them, they were on the road loaded to the gills.
yeah anything over 8500 gvwr has a lot thicker and stronger frame than the half ton. people do treat half ton trucks like semis. I see half tons with 5th wheel hitches and I cringe!
@@terrencegiordan2775 It is the same architecture as any small block of the era including a 350. Same cooling system, same oiling system, same fuel pump, same layout. Yes, they are a different displacement but they are not boat anchors. You saying so only tells the world how uninformed you are.
@@GoldenGun-Florida Not to push back, but Roger Penske's Z28 Camaro Trans Am team (or any other) never considered the 307 as a replacement for the 302. Check out the bore and stroke dimensions and you'll see the 307 is a TORQUE-biased engine, the 302 is an RPM-biased engine. Sure they share the same basic "bones" but a few fractions of an inch can make a big difference in how / where a racing engine makes power. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
67-72 Chevy trucks had a single headlight vs GMCs Quad headlights. Thats usually how I see first glance. Didn't know 69 had the grill trim blacked out only for that year. I know my old 69 Custom Camper/20 saddle brown, white top, black underline. It had the black out shades on the grill. But what confused me is when I see both 69 & 70, (which has that style grille) seeing both truck years at a car show with blacked out trim.
Yes the VIN is a sure thing for these puzzle trucks. Cause folks love swapping the front clips on these for, "reasons." But if your at a carshow or in a parking lot. You won't always get permission to open the door and get access to the vin. Probably cause they're hiding that fact. 🤷♂️ I know, cause I wanted a 69-70 for this grille style, so I wouldn't have swap the grille or haft to explain why I swapped it to that style. Just say it's a 70 and people will nod an accept it and say "they like it" or say they like "67-68 style or the 71-72 egg crate." However, learning I might have to shade my trim on my 70 for a 69. Thats something I will live with. Kidding someone already did that so thats why I'm confused over that idea.
dont be so hard on that 307 they had a 327 stroke and 283 bore the first 3 years 307 production they were in 327 blocks we built a number of them bored to 4inchs with good results, the later light weight casting blocks were no good however.
We had our share of mix-ups at the Chevy dealer too! Two that I remember were a S-10 with bucket seats, Made it thru PDI, sale and delivery, until the new owner's neighbor came over to look at the new truck and pointed out the two different front seats! Same color and fabric but one in a Chevy pattern, one in GMC pattern. The other was a C-10 short stepside Scottsdale, black paint and carmine red interior. . Another dealer wanted it and had a driver waiting at our dealership for the convoy truck to arrive. The bench seat had a vinyl backrest, and a cloth cushion. The dealer trade driver opened the door, paused, shook his head, then got in and drove off :D
@@brucepowell7986 , I have both small journal and large journal 327 , The large journal fits right in a 4 bolt main 350 block The small journal will too , but you need special Main bearings
I was never afraid of the 307s, 2 barrel carbs or behind the seat gas tanks .... had great service out of all that , but you can keep those front drum brakes.
Great video Steve! We had a tow truck with a Holmes 440 tow body. it was a really nice package you could get int spots that a 5 ton couldnt. We had a friend that had a C 30 ramp truck. It had a 396 with an Eaton 6 speed(n0t original!) #.5 rear axle it would cruise at 75mph. We built a sleeper onto the front of the ramp body with a pass through to the cab He had a nice 67 Camaro A M/P
Cab ID lights are not required on trucks over 10000 lbs GVW. They are required on trucks over 80 inches wide, so other vehicles can see that a wider than normal vehicle is approaching.
Not correct on the GVWR, as many trucks 10K or more have them. It's the over 80" wide rule, except for California where they are exempted as lawmakers believe that they can be confused with police vehicles, so most CA destined trucks don't have them.
Good job on the cab roof catch. My dad was a Chevrolet zone rep during this time period and had to actually scrap a brand new Chevy truck that showed up at the Chevy dealer in GMC trim. Obviously built on the same assembly line. I thought the first digit of the VIN’s were different for each of the GM line before everything went to country of origin for the first digit. No clue
@@larryanderson2766 By 1972, Chevrolet and GMC truck VINs used the same type of format. Canadian trucks were different. 1973 saw them get standardized between divisions and that's how it still is today.
The main difference between Chevy and GMC was in the half and 3/4 tons. The GMC's had leaf spring rear suspension and the Chevy's had coil springs. The Chevy 3/4 tons had a coil spring as well but with a leaf overload spring.
The family is back together! Another great episode steve! Definitely one of the best channels on TH-cam and definitely the best crew. Always good for a laugh and I always learn something new! Keep up the great work.
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Steve worked hard on THIS,throw him a thumb.
He did that truck is a real cobble job with many small details on it,agreed Thumbs 👍 up
The guy should have a show somewhere!🤣
Steve’s the best. An absolute legend. Hope all is well Steve.
Cool old truck, look at the old wrecker in the background, would love to see/ hear more about it.
No, Katie is wagging her tail saying, "No, Mr. Magnante, that's not correct." It's easy to determine a GMC and a Chevrolet in these years by the VIN. GMC trucks use a letter for the model year, while Chevrolet trucks use a number. Some characters were also in different spots as noted below. Correct, this is a 1970 Chevrolet C30 cab and chassis with a hood from a GMC truck. Correct, engine suffix code "TAR" is a truck engine, a 307 V8 for 1970 with a two barrel and approximately 200 gross horsepower, manual transmission used on the 3/4- and 1-ton vehicles.
Yes, with the VIN, you win: C for 2WD conventional chassis, E for V8 gasoline engine equipped, 3 for 1 ton rated, 3 for cab and chassis, 0 for 1970 model year, T for Tarrytown, NY assembly and the rest is the production sequence. The Tarrytown (North) or "Sleepy Hollow" Assembly plant operated from 1896 (as the Stanley Steam Car Company) until 1996 when it last assembled the "Dustbuster" minivans through June of 1996. It was purchased by GM in 1918 after Chevrolet was integrated into GM by that time. No SPID, wish you did, but this is possibly code 505 Dark Green exterior paint. The plant was a known gross polluter of the Hudson River and it was said that you could tell what color vehicles that they were painting on a given day by the color of the water.
A 1970 GMC equivalent VIN would be something like: C for conventional cab 2WD, E for V8 gas equipped, 3 for 1 ton rated, 03 for cab and chassis, T for Tarrytown, NY assembly, Z for 1970 model year and the rest would be the production sequence.
Correct, you can order a cab and chassis from Chevrolet and GM today, but anything bigger than a 1 ton is only available as a Chevrolet in their "HD" line. GMC does not have a equivalent as of this writing. This line has been a poor showing for GM versus Ford and even Stellantis, as not many dealers have signed up for taking on the line. Several dealers I know won't even touch it, even with prodding from GM executives. Many of those executives recently took the GM buyout package and are now gone. The HD line is produced alongside of the Navistar equals in their Springfield, OH plant and Fontaine's Springfield, OH facility is the main modification location for those trucks. I've been to that location and it's a big warehouse of vehicles in various stages of modification. It's about an hour away from Columbus, OH on Eagle Road in Springfield off I-70. Yes, many times there were homemade bodies made by industrious folks, especially in places like New England.
Didn't GM also build buses in Tarrytown?
@@LongIslandMopars Possibly. Elsewhere to my knowledge. Pontiac, MI, Quebec, Canada and Ontario Canada come to mind depending on the vehicle. The RTSII that many cities ran in the 1970s through the 2000s (and still some today) were assembled in Roswell, NM.
I liked Steve’s lead-in. Makes it more interesting even if he knew all along.
@@jimc3688 Yes, he's making you think. When he showed the VIN, I knew right away.
@@LongIslandMopars one of our first cars was an 80's xbody pontiac phoenix made there. My grandfathers chevy Bel Airs came from here also.Rust got em but they were well built ...
I worked in a cemetery during college. We had a few vehicles modified like this one. Some were rebuilt and repurposed, some were modified brand new. I can still hear the dump bed extending in my head. Thanks as always for the education and hard work ~ Chuck
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My mom had a 69 Chevelle Malibu 307, with a powerglide 2 speed, it ran OK, 200 hp. It was a bit of an odd bird, red, white vinyl top, black interior. In 1974 she traded it for a Camaro, 350 2 bbl with a whopping 145 hp. What a gutless slug, no more burn outs, for this teenager at the time! Lol
Your mom was probably 100% okay at the time with you not being able to smoke the tires on her Camaro, haha!
A lot could be done with that Camaro, even with the smogged out 350. Even back then, performance parts were a dime a dozen for the Chevrolet small block.
Reason why kadie is so well trained around Steve Mags is cuz he brings a little snack of roast beef. Lol.
She knows where her bread is buttered, or in this case where her treats are sliced....
Thanks Steve! I'm willing to bet that El Camino is your next installment, good stuff!
Steve... you deserve the Congressional Medal of Honor.... or maybe an Oscar. I don't know, but I love watching your videos. PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON THE 1965 Chrysler 300, NewPort, NewYorker~!!
Surprised that dump bed setup is still there. I’d use it in a heartbeat.
These videos are addicting, Bernardston Museum of Automotive Antiquities.
Steve great information on the truck. The cab lights were optional on C10, C20, K10 and K20 trucks. I have a few of these trucks that have them from the factory as an option. The RPO code for the option was "(U01)". As far as GMC or Chevy easy to tell from the front headlights. GMC has four lights and Chevy has two. GMC usually had the gauge bezel painted to match interior color also, whereas Chevy would be Black or woodgrain covered if Cheyenne or CST truck. Once again great information on the truck.
Those were very good trucks, and very popular with farmers, a flat bed with removable side racks or just a dedicated livestock box were very common. I drove several of these trucks and the only thing that might have made them better, would have been a 2 speed rear axle
The school teacher used to say the cow hoofs gripped the wood floor easier than the metal floor when being transported, great video
One of the other TH-camrs said the same thing
30 years ago i talked to gentleman that had 20 of these 67-72 truck stashed in barns from panels wagons to custom trim sports, i asked why, he told me i will be a classic truck one day, local chevy dealer has a 71 gmc half ton orange/white 350 engine/air/pwstr. In the showroom 71,000 dollars, but those square bodys are starting to creep up in price to along with those ford dent sides!
I left a note on a 1979 10th Anniversary Trans Am in my neighborhood. The guy called me up and said, "I saw you putting the note on the car from my camera. I have a whole warehouse full of them". I have to get back in touch with him.
Nice. Please do the tow truck in the background.
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+1 on that.
I have 2 of these. Both straight 6, with “4” speed transmissions. One has that roof the other no. One is same color as interior but with small back window. No arm rests. I like the window rain guards on it. I would have taken them. Good stuff as always!
Uh, Steve... the Monitor and the Merrimac were both IRON-HULLED ships!
Yes, they were iron but had much THICK oak planking inboard of the outer sheathing to add strength and support the structure. The Merrimac was burned, the Monitor sank off Cape Hatteras. Both wreck sites have lots of wood debris scattered with the iron. About that wood, who knew that enemy shells would hit the outer iron sheathing and bounce off BUT in certain cases the kinetic energy would cause splinters of the inner wood structure to become nasty projectiles within the cannon rooms. Must have been an ugly learning curve. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante Yeah... I knew that... yeah... But seriously, I DID know that, but I thought it was strictly defensive, backing up the iron to just the purpse you mentioned: to cause projectiles to bounce off instead of penetrating. Wood is lighter than iron, so if you back up a relatively thin layer of iron with wood, it would be as strong as, if not stronger overall, than a thicker sheet of iron on it's own. But I haven't studied it in depth, so of course I'll accept your explanation.
I have to say, Did everyone pay attention to how nice that cab is in, Good cab corners, looks like strong floor. Hard to find cab, anymore.
Would be a good rescue.
It appeared solid to my eye.
Couldn't get a good look at the rocker panels and floor pans but it did appear to have been ok at a glance.
I'd worry about the filler neck hole getting water in it.
I certainly wouldn't mind having it @ the shop. It'd make a really cool looking custom dually shop truck. That's a serious rear axle that's on there.
You dont find this type of content often - chock full of interesting history. Hoping to see Steve's numbers up there with Demuro and Hoovie someday. Keep up the great work. Videos make me want to go visit junkyards.
Those two could not polish Mr. Magnante’s shoes. He actually works on his own vehicles.
Junks yards are the man’s outlet store!
I used to say junkyards are a man’s Mall, most malls are gone now! But outlet stores are the new malls! I Love Junkyards!😊
Forgot the exact requirements but clearance lights are mandatory for certain width vehicles
Wider than 80" to give visibility and presence to oncoming traffic.
Believe it or not some people actually wanted wood dump bed trucks depending on what they might be hauling. Certain farm chemicals are corrosive to steel and also if your hauling salt you don't want a steel bed unless it's made from stainless but those cost quite a bit more than wood.
Yeah who's to say it might have had more than one bed during it's life.
great video once again. queen katie was doing her best to steal the scene, Saturday morning, cup of coffee and the crawl. Great way to start the weekend!
Just out of high school I bought a Chevy Cab Chassis thinking I could make a dually pickup. That is when I learned the Cab Chassis frame was 4” longer from the back of the cab, and the axle was much too narrow. The drums were right against the springs.
A dually pickup would have been the correct length for a 8’ bed, and had the Dana 80 that was much wider.
Live and learn!
One of my fondness memories was my 70 Chevy C10 pickup.
I was 1979 and it was one of my first Vehicles in life. I put an aluminum cap with Curtains, all the way around 😂.. Enjoy your episodes.
I saw one of these yesterday ( New Zealand) but it was a '69 C20 , and it had signwriting on it " LA county lifeguards" or something like that , might have had " Baywatch " on it , probably a tribute ? Whatever , it took me by surprise.
Mr. B. Here ! ☕️☕️🍩🍩 Morning to all ! Steve when the Mrs. & I lived in Mass I drove many of vehicles that ! The feeling was mine blowing it felt like you lost part of the truck ! Have a good day ! 👍👍👍👍
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Always a joy, always informative, the vast knowledge shared is a wealth by Steve mags....only missing the fun gouge at motor trend...is that a subtle whining like a bad power steering pump I hear...lol
Once again, not split rims. Lock ring wheels. Perfectly legal.
It's also worth mentioning, cab and chassis rear rails are different then pickups. Cab/chassis have flat rails, 34" on center, industry standard to make fitting custom beds easier.
About 30 years ago i picked up a running 1971 Chevy 2WD with a 307, 3 spd on column. 3/4 ton. Cost? $100.00. And it ran.
Had an 8 foot factory wooden bed which was rare since most of the beds made were metal. And if i remember right, if someone here can correct me. I think the 307 was rated for 215 horsepower since it was in a 3/4 ton.
Great video Steve and always on these videos a thumbs up from me!!!
Damn that was a screaming deal.
yeah I remember hearing about people in the 60's and 70's getting used cars and trucks that would still run and drive for like $50 thats insane to me.
@@mromatic17I want to go racing in the "24 Hours of LeMons" series where you can't spend more than $500 (net) on the car outside of tires and safety parts. I need to find one of those $50 running, driveable cars!
@@mromatic17 My girlfriend bought me my first car, it was a 1961 Pontiac tempest!
She paid 40.00 dollars for it, in 1976, it ran like a Swiss watch! Wish I still had them both! LOL!
@@corvairjim1 yeah I think they need to raise their man price to like 1500ish since the shittiest running car is gonna run ya at least 1000 nowadays!
Knobs on the aftermarket radio appear to be off a ‘61 or ‘62 full-size Chevy…….🤔
My dad had a ‘72 C20 and when he would go down to our local Skelly station for his Saturday morning fill-up, I remember sticking my head out the driver side window and smelling the sweet emanating fumes of that leaded gasoline as the tank was being filled via the cab-mounted filler! That right there likely explains a lot of things in my life………😂
Growing up, one of our “country neighbors” who had a good job at the cardboard box factory bought a new Ford half ton every two years. Always dark blue, always with a white aluminum topper (very similar in styling to the truck bed camper shown in Steve’s brochure) installed on Day 2, and always with a set of (I’m assuming aftermarket?) marker lights mounted on the cab roof! One of the more vivid visual memories I have from my childhood is his truck driving slowly by our house just as the sun was going down with his marker lights glowing bright orange in the Minnesota twilight……..👍
Actually, I think all Chevrolet's used that knob through 1964. Both of my 62 Nova's and my 64 corvair have that knob. My 65 has a more mushroom lookin' knob
There is a good YT video about Skelly service in the 1960s. I enjoy watching it as that is the type of station I would love to hang around in after I retire.
@@xfactorautomotive1496 - Yeah - my sister had a ‘63 BelAir and my folks had a ‘64 Impala, but for some reason I don’t remember the radio knobs on those……???
@@googleusergp - I’ll have to check that out! When I was a kid, I thought the most glamorous job in the world was working as an attendant at our Skelly station! This was back in the full service days when they would check your oil and wash your windshield while your tank was being filled! I was always mesmerized by their perfect technique for dragging the squeegee across the glass and leaving behind nothing but a perfectly clear windshield!
Sadly, our Skelly was torn down before I was working age - the owner moved his business to an old Phillips 66 station that had been abandoned. As an homage to my childhood dream, I had NOS “Skelly” patches and “Dave” name patches sewn onto a navy blue Dickies work shirt and a navy blue Dickies mechanic’s jacket that I wear with pride on occasion…….😂
@@ddellwo When I worked at the auto parts manufacturer, my friend put a "GM Goodwrench" work shirt in my office on a hanger. The owner's son told us to remove it (politely) as "they are competitors". Funny thing is that we supplied some OEM parts and we often bought parts from OEM sources and reboxed them as our own. LOL.
Steve I put a 307 in a 87 3/4 ton Truck, My 350 had a rod knock, I modified the bolt holes on the throttle body manifold, I have to be honest, That motor Ran Great with injection, Purred , Strong, on hills 4 speed truck. No smoke passed emissions every year.
I feel so bad for all y'all emissions test states. And the inspections. If we had all that here in Alabama there'd be no way most of us could even get to work. 😏 Heck we wasn't even required to have insurance until around the turn of the century.
@@lilmike2710 Big difference between AL & TN and us here in New England. You guys have more fun for much less expense.
@@jimc3688 I would be compelled to agree with you there, but my doggone cousin Colton just bought one of those Razor ATV deals...
That thing cost him $12k and he said the one he wanted was $20k..
Bruh.. 😳 I wanna go and join him and everyone he's running with but I don't see dropping no $10k .
I'll weld myself up a buggy and put a engine in it. Before I drop that kind of coin... Just sayin
I had one with the 305 ci v 6 what a beast at least between gas stations.
Great video! Such ashame to see that rig, rotting away in the boneyard. 😢 Looks like a very solid truck. Hate seeing these oldies go to die
In the late 90’s when I worked at a Chevy stealership I had to move a few of these bedless heavy duty trucks. They did great burnouts!
We had a '73 C60 on the farm. 350 cube 2bbl. 2 speed rear. It did everything we asked it too. It had an overspeed light that came on if you started pushing the motor too hard. Had an earlier model with a 292 six banger in it too. Great hard workers. Liked gas aloy though
I don't think I ever watch one of these without learning something. I had a '71 F350 so a lot of this is familiar. BIL got A '70 C10/20/30? from my dad that had been part of a fleet build for a utility company. His best bud was a tool set up man at ball bearing company that had a contract with GM. also a VERY! competitive G stock drag racer with mostly Pontiacs (So he knew his stuff!!!) That truck A short bed stepside , had a commercial step van front end and a 2 speed Dump truck rear end. and a center carrier bearing for the 2 piece driveshaft (This was a Short wheelbase truck , remember) That was completely of unknown origin. BFF had access to the complete GM Data base of blueprints. for such parts. BIL did get a ticket for driving out of class once when carrying a load of 1's & 2"s after he had built the bed up with plywood Long Ways! (8 foot high!) cop said he only stopped him because he saw gravel falling of the top of his load! Having worked in high end manufacturing for many years I know what it takes to get something built in production. I would wonder how those Chevy COPO Cars could be factory built and then I thought about this truck!
GMH in Australia offered the woeful 307 as an option for a few years before the vastly better local 308 came out. Amazing how people got sucked in back then thinking they were getting some sort of road burner because it was a chev V8... even worse was the 305 they optioned though.
Love my injected 304. Slug but sounds so good
The '5 litre' HK 307 option was standard with Powergilde, but there were reportedly some four speeds. It was only hampered by its lack of cubes and 2bbl and that gearbox. The 186 HK Premier also ran a Powerglide. The Brougham 307 5 lit're' did easy 18 second quarter miles, the 186 auto without the S options 2bbl, that was a slug. Have a great day. 🥝✔️
The 305 HO wasn't as sluggish tho. But I've honestly only seen a handful of those and they were all in 3rd gen Camaros. I do remember how good they sounded with header pipes.
@@lilmike2710 The 305 HO 190 HP 4bbl variant was a Great 🚂 engine. Only problem, G body or F car, or the CA one year Corvette, was it always carried another 500 pounds of car that Ford's less powerfull 5 liter Mustangs didn't carry. So in the minds of people, it's an also ran. It was a great little engine.
@@deanstevenson6527 indeed. They're comparable to the 4.6 ohc engine, like what's in the 97 mustang that I have at home.... 😏 Desperately needing a cat converter delete.
Lol they're clogged and have my pony running like 💩 and I certainly ain't replacing them at $800 a pop!! And there's 4 of them!!!
I enjoy every video. Thanks Steve. Please stay hydrated.
My Brother Bud had one of these . The Granny Gear was so Powerful that you could dump the clutch and it would not stall . Even sitting still with the brake on and clutch engaged !
I believe that the only determining factor regarding the addition of clearance lights is the vehicle width
I have a 1999 C3500 1 ton dually; With a Heil dump bed. In 99 they weren't known as a cab,& chassis; They were sold as incomplete from factory to the dealer who would out source the body you would want put on; Such as Box, stake body, Or a dump bed. My truck is quite loaded with options, snow plow equipped; plow blade was removed when I bought it used; Tinted windshield, power steering, A/C , & a am/fm radio. The engine is a 5.7 with a automatic trans. With disc brakes up front, & drums on the rear. The best thing about the truck it only has 53,000 on the clock.
I love you katie , don't look sad hunny . Just walk back home to your loving parents.
Good morning from Canada. 👍👍🇨🇦
Good morning from Long Island, NY. 🇺🇸
The 307 I built for my 69 chevelle was a tire smoking machine. Had a 465/488 282/292 adv duration cam and an edelbrock performer and a 600 double pumper, and headers. The rest of it was stock internals. Ran 15.80 in the 1/4 spinning tires to 60’.. I’d have a 307 any day over a 305
I have a 71 Chevy 307 put a 4bl heads intake 4bl carb was the most reliable motor ever had and it did go pretty good beat it up for 5 years finally put it down at the junk yard should've kept it who knew lmao ✌️
I had a very similar experience with my 307 in a 69 Chevelle but the 411 gear is what really gave me the advantage over the 383 Chrysler
Nice truck. Back in 97 I had a neighbor who was a Brick layer. He had one that was a flat bed.
My second car when I was 16 was a 1970 Nova with a 307. (First car was a 1963 corvair Monza coupe). I worked at a speed shop called Hi-Rev after school and weekends, and I tried everything to wake up that 307....headers and twice pipes, Edelbrock intake with a quadrajet, even a crane cam. It was still a pooch. Being a dumb kid at the time, I never addressed the fact that it most likely had a 2.73 rear axle and the powerslide trans didn't do it any favors either. So honestly, a can't say if it was the 307 or the drivetrain that made it gutless with any certainty...but I'm thinking a combination of all the above. My third car...1965 nova/ 327/ 4-speed was a VAST improvement!
Katy rules, Steve drools!!!!!!!!!
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Steve's about to get that 100,000 subscription's TH-cam plaque!😊
@@MicroSoftner all that money he gets he still doesn't want to buy new clothes
Amen!
@@marioncobaretti2280I still can't figure out what's up with the picture of a Hilborn-injected drag engine sitting on some dead guy's chest. Seriously, what's up with that??? 🤔
I had a 1970 C/10 Suburban with the 307...i promptly pulled it out and put in a 66 283. It ran so well after that... combined with a sunroof, stereo and Cadillac power front seat...
My dad had a 1967 C10 Chevy p/u. dark.grn. small r/window, straight 6,3 on the tree....he bought it brand new... I learned how to drive on that thing when I was 12 years old! Great memories!
Small businesses and farmers built those dump boxes. I am always amused by the concern for gas tanks inside the cab. Only real bother was the smell after filling or if there was a small leak. Much like the gas tank under the driver's seat on a Jeep. Not ever really considered a fire hazard and I don't no how many died because the tank was there. Seems like there were more complaints from rear and side mounted tanks. It might be more of a perceived problem much like COE vehicles.
We were just talking about this at work. My coworker was saying he flipped one of our trucks in the early 1980s (an early Ford) and he and his partner came out of it smelling like gasoline from it all spilling all over them. Some older guy saw what happened and came running over smoking a cigarette. My coworker told him, "We're good, get outta here with that cigarette.". LOL.
Cool old truck.
Yeah, the 307 was the 283 bore and the 327 stroke. Still fit Chev power pack heads.
I like that el Camino or sprint in the background!
Great (informative) video. Don’t mind those MT guys! Keep the Crawl videos coming! Gearheads unite!
@3:33 is a big red Dodge truck, which uses the late '50s pickup cab! Dodge used that cab as late as 1975, I believe, on their Big Horn conventional road tractors.
Yes! That's a nifty Dodge truck in the background. We did cover it in a Junkyard Crawl video a year or so ago. If you go to the Channel Playlist, you can see the video. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
The Ford store I worked at in the late 80's sold a pretty good number of cab and chassis, mostly 3/4 and 1 tons. One morning, I can in and someone had stolen the outside duals off of one and the exhaust system off another. Believe me, a dually with no duals looks goofy as hell, and a 460 with no exhaust sounds awesome.
My brother had one of those in the early 70s, he’s was a stake bed truck. He used for his iron works. Boy I remember it so well. 3 speed manual on the column. What a great truck it was! Great video Steve.
Still looks pretty solid.
Thanks Steve and thank you Shane.
Katy too.
Excellent video Steve!
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The cab roof lights, wasn’t required per GVW, but was required on all cab/chassis trucks, and anything sold with a wide bed on it, stale bed, box truck, chassis mounted camper…. If it was wider than the cab, it got the lights. However, if it was a one ton with the 9 foot stepside bed, or the 8 1/2 foot longhorn fleetside bed… lights weren’t required.
As for the C-10 and 20 trucks you could get the cab marker light optional, with the raised stamped mounting pad. K series 10 and 20 series had the option also.
Some of the GMC trucks of the era had some weird VINs.
Good morning from Vero Beach
Good morning I am also in vero beach getting ready to leave to go to the car show in Melbourne at Dunkin donuts I am driving my 57 Chevy. You should go it's 8 -12 we at the gas station on 510 across from CVS and take A1A to Melbourne.
We meet at the mobile across from CVS.
@@terrencegiordan2775 Wish I could, I'm heading home to Georgia this morning, prior commitments. Enjoy the show!
I remember when the 1988 Chevy and GMC trucks came out while working at a Chevrolet dealer. The corporate Chevy rep told us the demand for the Chevy Cab & Chassis, and Suburban trucks was so huge, GM could not afford to stop the assembly line to retool their Cab & Chassis & Suburban plants to retool for the new body style for a couple more years.
@ Steve......Sadly most people DO NOT realize or understand that a small block Chevy 307 is basically a large journal 327 block!! The only difference is the size of the piston bore, and if you ram the thing out to a 4 inch bore, it becomes a 327 cubic inch!! Another thing that is often over looked in the stroke in the 283 small block, 327 small block and the early 307 CHEVY small blocks are all exactly the same!! BUT in the late 1970s the 307 cubic inch engine used in the 1978 to 1984 Malibu, Cutlass, El Camino, Phoenix, Skylark/ Apollo/ Regal, were actually built by Oldsmobile and based off the 350 Rocket engine!!! And the late 1960s and early 1970s, 307 engines all had a bore of 3.875", just 0.125" short of becoming a 327!! So the point to that last sentence IS, there is plenty of "wall thickness" to punch a 307 out to a true 327 cubic inch engine and then swap the pistons from a 4 inch bore (327) engine into it which fits directly to the connecting rods you already have in the 307!!
Had alot of these trucks when I was younger at that time you could get them pretty cheap 50 to a 100 bucks third hand and very well broke in
Way to go.. Mr Steve
1985 I bought a 1968 C-10 from the estate of the original owner for 500 still have it to this day.
Oldie but a goodie
Morning Steve....that cab and chassis look to be in descent restorable condition. Throw in an ls,chrome buds,wood stake bed,and you've got a descent oldie. It would be a labor of love .
Skip the LS swap. That's really played out.
Maybe skip the ls swap,it is a little over the top, but you can't blame a guy for getting exited first thing in the a.m.
Hi Steve, good video! The lights on top of the cab, are mandated to identify the truck, bus, trailer or any vehicle that is OVER 80 inches wide. The fact the the truck that you profiled is equipped with double rear wheels falls into that mandate. The three center lights identify the vehicle as over 80" wide, and the the far outside lights are clearance lights. Please reply. Dave...
In cab gas tank! Nice!
The little square plug in the block behind the water pump always indicates a 4 bolt main engine. Never thought there was a 307 4 bolt main built. Only 350. Am I wrong ??
Interesting bit about split rim's being outlawed around 74, as export models had split rims for decade or so later
The later sidesaddle gas tanks werent all that great either.
My friend had a C20 with dual wheels and a dump body. At least I believe it was a C 20.
Steve, you win the trophy for the Most Natural 2 Tone Jersey ! Your a Cool Dude but not during this video shoot !
Again ! Good Presentation !
I had a G-30 passenger van(1983) back in the late 80’s and early 90’s. 350 four barrel, 16.5 inch wheels,etc. Great reliable truck. Gas milage on the other hand…
He man I’m not 🦀 crab lol another good show Steve keepem comein
I started calling cab and chassis trucks “Kenny chesneys” a few years ago. Makes my wife laugh every time.
One question that came to mind on these old one-tons - did the manufactures beef up or use different frames for the heavier load-rated trucks? Obviously springs, suspension components, axles, and housings were stronger. Over the years I’ve seen a few old pickups, usually half ton long beds that looked like the frame was bent around the juncture of the cab and bed. And when I did see them, they were on the road loaded to the gills.
yeah anything over 8500 gvwr has a lot thicker and stronger frame than the half ton. people do treat half ton trucks like semis. I see half tons with 5th wheel hitches and I cringe!
The frames are often sized for the intended GWVR.
@@mromatic17 Or snow plow.
@@jimc3688 whats wrong with a half ton as a snow plow? they don't weigh that much.
307 were known for eating the cam lob on #8 cylinder I had one in a 68 impala
Only in your mind.
@@GoldenGun-Florida they are garbage motors only good for a boat anchor.
They were emission and economy engines. People ran them like they were big blocks and that was the problem. They were good for what they were.
@@terrencegiordan2775 It is the same architecture as any small block of the era including a 350. Same cooling system, same oiling system, same fuel pump, same layout. Yes, they are a different displacement but they are not boat anchors. You saying so only tells the world how uninformed you are.
@@GoldenGun-Florida Not to push back, but Roger Penske's Z28 Camaro Trans Am team (or any other) never considered the 307 as a replacement for the 302. Check out the bore and stroke dimensions and you'll see the 307 is a TORQUE-biased engine, the 302 is an RPM-biased engine. Sure they share the same basic "bones" but a few fractions of an inch can make a big difference in how / where a racing engine makes power. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
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67-72 Chevy trucks had a single headlight vs GMCs Quad headlights. Thats usually how I see first glance. Didn't know 69 had the grill trim blacked out only for that year. I know my old 69 Custom Camper/20 saddle brown, white top, black underline. It had the black out shades on the grill.
But what confused me is when I see both 69 & 70, (which has that style grille) seeing both truck years at a car show with blacked out trim.
Go by the VIN.
Yes the VIN is a sure thing for these puzzle trucks. Cause folks love swapping the front clips on these for, "reasons." But if your at a carshow or in a parking lot. You won't always get permission to open the door and get access to the vin. Probably cause they're hiding that fact. 🤷♂️
I know, cause I wanted a 69-70 for this grille style, so I wouldn't have swap the grille or haft to explain why I swapped it to that style. Just say it's a 70 and people will nod an accept it and say "they like it" or say they like "67-68 style or the 71-72 egg crate."
However, learning I might have to shade my trim on my 70 for a 69. Thats something I will live with. Kidding someone already did that so thats why I'm confused over that idea.
Thank you Steve
I never knew that about the lights pads.
There's a 73-77 ElCamino or Sprint photo bombing there.
dont be so hard on that 307 they had a 327 stroke and 283 bore the first 3 years 307 production they were in 327 blocks we built a number of them bored to 4inchs with good results, the later light weight casting blocks were no good however.
I worked at a GMC dealer. We would get trucks in with Chevy horn buttons. Tail gates and the fenders with Scottsdale on them
We had our share of mix-ups at the Chevy dealer too! Two that I remember were a S-10 with bucket seats, Made it thru PDI, sale and delivery, until the new owner's neighbor came over to look at the new truck and pointed out the two different front seats! Same color and fabric but one in a Chevy pattern, one in GMC pattern. The other was a C-10 short stepside Scottsdale, black paint and carmine red interior. . Another dealer wanted it and had a driver waiting at our dealership for the convoy truck to arrive. The bench seat had a vinyl backrest, and a cloth cushion. The dealer trade driver opened the door, paused, shook his head, then got in and drove off :D
The 307 is a 327 crank in a 283 block .
That engine can easily be made to make 300hp ,
Easily with someone who actually knows what they are doing !
actually not a 283 block but did have 283 pistons with a 327 stroke crank, 68 up large journal. 283s were small journal cranks
@@brucepowell7986 ,
I have both small journal and large journal 327 ,
The large journal fits right in a 4 bolt main 350 block
The small journal will too , but you need special Main bearings
I was never afraid of the 307s, 2 barrel carbs or behind the seat gas tanks .... had great service out of all that , but you can keep those front drum brakes.
Great video Steve! We had a tow truck with a Holmes 440 tow body. it was a really nice package you could get int spots that a 5 ton couldnt. We had a friend that had a C 30 ramp truck. It had a 396 with an Eaton 6 speed(n0t original!) #.5 rear axle it would cruise at 75mph. We built a sleeper onto the front of the ramp body with a pass through to the cab He had a nice 67 Camaro A M/P
Cab ID lights are not required on trucks over 10000 lbs GVW. They are required on trucks over 80 inches wide, so other vehicles can see that a wider than normal vehicle is approaching.
Not correct on the GVWR, as many trucks 10K or more have them. It's the over 80" wide rule, except for California where they are exempted as lawmakers believe that they can be confused with police vehicles, so most CA destined trucks don't have them.
It's kind of a stupid law because most people don't know what they're supposed to indicate. I see them on normal width trucks all the time.
Doctor Wrecking with his trusty four legged assistant nurse Ms. Sniffy.
Good job on the cab roof catch. My dad was a Chevrolet zone rep during this time period and had to actually scrap a brand new Chevy truck that showed up at the Chevy dealer in GMC trim. Obviously built on the same assembly line. I thought the first digit of the VIN’s were different for each of the GM line before everything went to country of origin for the first digit. No clue
Not in 1970. GMC used a letter code for the model year and Chevrolet used a number.
@@googleusergp got it, thanks for the clarification. I suppose I could have googled it…
@@larryanderson2766 By 1972, Chevrolet and GMC truck VINs used the same type of format. Canadian trucks were different. 1973 saw them get standardized between divisions and that's how it still is today.
Scrap a new truck what a waste.
@@buckster2575 It still happens to this day…
Per FMVSS 108, all commercial trucks wider than 80 inches must have those clearance lights
The main difference between Chevy and GMC was in the half and 3/4 tons. The GMC's had leaf spring rear suspension and the Chevy's had coil springs. The Chevy 3/4 tons had a coil spring as well but with a leaf overload spring.
The GMC trucks of that vintage had 4 headlights where the chevys only had two.
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Nothing wrong with an inline six. Seven main bearings vs. Five in a V8. JUST SAYING.
If that truck was restored it would make a great tow vehicle for some of the bigger toys.
The family is back together! Another great episode steve! Definitely one of the best channels on TH-cam and definitely the best crew. Always good for a laugh and I always learn something new! Keep up the great work.