Gunzerking 5:23 Gun Lust Tree •Locked & Loaded 8:34 (Pretty good skill) •Quick Draw 9:31 (Low Crit at 5/5. Good swap speed for pistols) •I’m your Huckleberry 11:25 (small buff for pistols. Decent if you’re using pistols. Applies to your main hand only) •All I need is One 13:02 (Not that great) •Divergent Likeness 15:02 (Good for Inaccurate guns (quad shotguns) and for the damage bonus) •Auto-Loader 16:56 (Very good skill to reload other guns) •Money Shot 18:46 (Great skill. Takes longer to money shot if you have Inconceivable) •Lay Waste 23:40 ( Good Kill skill. Works on your off hand weapon only (Crit works on offhand but fire rate doesn’t) •Down Not Out 25:29 (Worth it because you can Gunzerk while FFYL) • Keep It Piping Hot 26:20 (Good after your action skill cooldown. Gets benefits from “Get Some”. Applies Gun Damage to your Main Hand only) •No Kill Like Overkill 29:30 (Great skill to have. The weaker the enemy is the bigger the bonus. Synergizes with Money Shot) Rampage Tree (ideal when starting a new Sal character. Put 5/5 into Hard to Kill then work your way down this tree) •Inconceivable 34:07 (Good with Rough Rider. Not needed but reliable. Good Tier 1 skill) •Filled to the Brim 36:40 (Switch out class mod after re-specking. Watch for more info. Solid skill but not needed. Great for NVHM) •All in the Reflexes 38:22 (only good for the reload speed. You can use it if you’re doing a melee build) •Last Longer 40:39 (increases gunzerking. Good with Yipee Ki Yay and Get Some skills) •I’m Ready Already 41:51 (somewhat wasted because of Get Some & Last Longer. If you’re doing a rocket launcher build or running Digistruck Peak then you can use this skill) •Steady as She Goes 44:42 (Not a bad skill, but with Hyperion weapons it’s not that great. Otherwise it’s a good skill) •5 Shots or 6 47:44 (kill skill that gives free ammo to your magazine. Great with Vladof weapons. All or nothing with this skill i.e. 5/5 or 10/5) •Yippee Ki Yay 50:23 (Great skill to have) •Double Your Fun 53:53 (self-explanatory, for sure get this) •Get Some 54:28 (Great skill to have, a must. Sal’s best skill (Chuck80)) • Keep Firing… 57:09 (practically a free skill since you’re always holding down the trigger buttons. Not great with Jakobs and Dahl weapons) Brawn Tree •Hard to Kill 1:02:38 (Health regen is negligible, but still solid skill) •Incite 1:04:01 (great skill because you’re taking shot from enemies anyway) •Asbestos 1:05:49 (mitigates DOTs so it’s something. But Sal has other things like Grog Nozzle. So it’s not really a bad skill but not needed) •I’m the Juggernaut 1:08:12 (not as great) •Ain’t Got Time to Bleed 1:12:04 (Great skill to get) •Fistful of Hurt 1:14:13 (pretty fun skill and great for melee build or something that will get you killed up close to an enemy. Not needed) •Out of Bubblegum 1:16:04 (For whatever reason, the Titan Class mod makes the rough rider not work, other shields work. If you have the rough rider without the titan class mod then you can you use it. Great skill in of itself) •Bust That Can’t Slow Down 1:18:57 (Get this if you’re far down Brawn Tree. No reason to not get it) •Just Got Real 1:20:05 (Not that great because you need low health to get the benefits, so basically FFYL) •Sexual Tyrannosaurus 1:21:39 (Decent skill, but maybe invest points somewhere else) •Come At Me Bro 1:25:18 (Good skill) Guns -Assault Rifles Lead Storm 1:30:10 Sawbar 1:32:01 Bekah 1:32:47 Kitten 1:33:50 Other ARs 1:35:30 -Pistols DPUH 1:36:12 Anarchist 1:36:17 Lady Fist 1:37:13 * About “Transferring” Bonuses with Sal 1:38:03 (watch) Grog Nozzle 1:41:21 -Shotguns Interfacer 1:49:43 Butcher 1:52:02 Orphan Maker 1:53:10 Jolly Roger 1:56:52 -SMG Actualizer/Bitch 1:58:43 Tattler 1:59:50 Lasceux 2:00:18 -Snipers Trespasser 2:03:40 (mostly for Pete and Voracidous) Pimpernel 2:04:44 (rocket launcher trick) Lyuda 2:09:14 Longbow 2:09:58 -Rocket Launchers 2:11:21 Topneea 2:11:30 Derp 2:12:28 -Shields (shields don’t synergize with Sal except ones that increase health) Rough Rider 2:13:38 (great on raids but not so much mobbing) Evolution/Neogenator 2:14:47 Fabled Tortoise (lvl 30) (Blast Prefix) w/ Raider Class Mod 2:15:39 (watch) Blockade/Antagonist 2:17:14 (doesn’t synergize with Sal but still great shields) The Bee 2:17:40 The Sham 2:17:55 (great for rocket launcher builds) Flame of the Firehawk 2:18:26 (Great shield because of constant shots from enemies) -Grenades Chain Lightning 2:19:53 (used mostly for healing because of Grog) Storm Front 2:20:15 Fastball 2:21:24 (works well with No Kill Like Overkill) Magic Missile 2:22:02 (not really needed unless you’re not going to use a slag weapon) Slag Transfusion 2:22:59 -Relics Deputy’s Badge 2:24:01 Blood of the Ancients 2:24:25 (necessary for Brawn Tree build) Might of the Seraphs 2:25:13 (oddly, this works very well for Sal only) Bone of the Ancients 2:26:29 Sheriff’s Badge 2:27:16 Allegiance Relic (Jakob) 2:27:40 -Class Mods Legendary Berserker 2:29:40 (good com, but outdone by others, great for melee build) Slayer of Terramorphous 2:31:30 (bad class mod) Legendary Hoarder 2:32:24 (does everything right. Solid Class mod) Legendary Gunzerker 2:34:46 (“permanent” gunzerk) Legendary Titan 2:36:50 (Very good for Brawn Tree build) Auspicious Raider 2:41:03 (skill wise it’s very good. Get blue version +6 money shot +5 incite. Sadly the dlc version is better which is Chaotic Evil Monk. Great if you don’t have DLC or don’t want to farm for CEM) Armored Tank 2:42:50 (doesn’t really make sense. Legendary Titan is better) Determined war Dog 2:43:54 (underrated class mod (chuck80). Great Class Mod. Great for the Butcher gun) Pragmatic Devastator 2:46:10 (okay class mod, but not very good) Suave Renegade 2:47:38 (great for pistols) Altered Beast 2:50:45 (good for leveling up) Chaotic Evil Monk 2:51:45 (The Critical Damage applies to off-hand)
Some might say "just watch the video?", but this helps alot for a rewatch. Someone can frequently use these timestamps to see what works when they get it, how to make something work. Thank you.
Rewatching this since I'm making a new Sal from scratch and it's so funny how Chuck has this "I'm not mad, I'm just dissappointed" tone throughout the entire brawn tree.
@@Unique-xs2je Money Shot only checks the mag size of the right hand, which is why Orphan Maker is held in the left so it gets full bonus while also removing it's self damage.
This video always made me upset. Chuck80 is LEGENDARY for this! Derch was kind of jerk in this and he just constantly (like a lot of TH-cam meta players) says how broken Sal is with ZERO room for actual analysis. Chuck80 is legit because he actually took the time to really figure how Sal works. Derch's push back to buffing ANYTHING on Sal was just frustrating to listen to. He also has this same issue with Gaige.
@@khrashingphantom9632I don’t think he is being a jerk tbh with you. He is giving his opinion about a class he personally does not prefer. He admits himself that he isn’t the most knowledgable with Sal, reason why Chuck being part of the video. I learnt a lot from this video. I mean I can’t lie Gaige is my least favourite to play in BL2 I do Agree with Derch her being the worst designed character. Anyway no hate.
@@Jarrad-t3i I still feel like constantly interjecting and dismissing what an expert is saying about a subject you are unfamiliar with is rude, and somewhat hinders your ability to learn. If Derch is stuck in the perspective “Sal is broken” he wouldn’t see that even Sal needed buffs and reworks. Now with Gaige she IS poorly designed but he didn’t consult an expert of any kind when he was doing his breakdown of her, which was also frustrating. Because Gaige is probably the MOST misunderstood character in BL2 and that lack of understanding being perpetuated but larger community channels (Derch, Joltz, etc) creates the idea that she isn’t a good character and that there’s only VERY SPECIFIC ways she can be played with no room from growth, which just isn’t true. The only reason we got Deputy Sal is because someone took the time to LEARN how to develop a build with him and then shared it with community at large. Otherwise people really believe the only way to play Sal is with the Grog/DPUH, and the myth that Sal’s Brawn tree is rendered completely useless by the grog nozzle (which some people still incorrectly believe).
I can't believe I haven't found this channel sooner. This is one of the best in depth analysis of my favorite character in the whole series and I think it is the most in depth that I have found this is great.
This is the best guide for Borderlands i have seen so far. It's informative,it's made with passion,it's made with details. Chuck is like Gunzerking Scholar,goddamit...and I thought that i would never say it but I actually really have to - I feel like I need to revisit Salvador
@Grym The first mistake with you people is you try to think then you want to be heard when you should just be quiet and understand it's a personal perspective of their own experience not yours. If you feel so compelled about the Brawn tree go make a vid and call that shit Brawn tree is still good even on OP levels, but only if you are good enough which you obviously are not, see right there I as you can assume shit too.
What I really like are Chuck's words at the start. When I was starting my sal I felt weak as shit and didn't really feel strong until I reached lvl 72 and then checked some builds.
this is fantastic and deserves way more views. I've been playing casually for a while and just got to UVHM with gaige for the first time last week and thought I'd like to play SAL since my maya and axton characters were struggling with raid bosses. This video has inspired me massively.
Double Your Fun doesn't really double your grenade count, it just doubles your damage. You always throw 2 grenades at once so you can't effectively use 20 grenades against 20 targets.
No, but you can use 20 grenades against 10 targets :P that's still doubling your count ... but a bit more restrictive on the targeting than an actual doubling. Also, there is a slight delay between each toss, so if you turn while chucking them, you could theoretically target 2 different foes :P
Chuck80 In theory, yeah, but practically that will rarely be the case. xD And let's say you're using a Fastball and you just need 1 nade for most enemies the second grenade will just be wasted.
Yeah, ok. Visually it still throws 2 grenades, so it's like it doubles your count, but it's true that from a maths point of view, it would be closer to say that it doubles the damage. I get what you mean. Though in the case of ...say...mirvs or transfusions, it does double the number of child projectiles, making the spread that much more compact.... or in the case of slag grenades, if the first one slags, the second one gets the slag-on-slag bonus....so there are also problems with referring to this as a doubling of damage too.
Thanks buddy :) This is also because of you since you thought me pretty much everything I know. Not only that but you also thought me to theorycraft properly in the first place.
i can see why you love sal, chuck. i've been building my own sheriff sal. before i was struggling, then i got my hands on a DPUH. i've forgotten what it means to aim anymore XD
@Mayan Ruins Middle tree to start. Sal is actually harder to level than most characters as he's so dependent on gear. Look for Vladof snipers and Hyperion shotguns while leveling. Adaptive shields are a good choice. There is no real shortcut to it while leveling. Just keep at it. Sal only gets OP when you have access to top Gear.
Great, informative guide. You don't have to learn to play Sal beyond 'hold down triggers' but its still nice to see why and how he works as does. The last one of these guides is going to be 5 hours long at this rate, lmao
Sal and Krieg are my favorite for wrecking face with explosions. But I also love Maya, she quickly does insane damage when mobbing. I have a soft spot for Zer0 because he was my first and his melee is crazy "sniping is boring". Axton and Mechromancer are also fun, I love them all. For me having fun is what matter most, regardless of who is best for the situation. Personally I love all the craziness in the builds and so called broken mechanics. It's definitely one of the reasons I still love this game after all these years.
Must admit, I like this discussion-type of guide you made - I didn't even notice those 3 hours watching through all of it. This somehow made me want to try out Evo or Neo on Salvador since I, well, never used those on him, thinking they are outperformed by Rough Rider. And thanks to Chuck80 for explaining how NKLO works - I wasn't able to figure it out by myself. I can't agree with one statement about Grog, though: 1:45:30 "No other character can abuse Grog's crit at all" You know, critting with Kunai while roid-boosted is both fun and efficient. UB Corrosive Skag having almost a billion health in 4P mode died to just 2 Kunai tosses with each Kunai doing 164 million damage thanks to Grog's crit modifier. Granted, skags take obscene amounts of crit damage, but I still find it impressive. Regular enemies take up to 19 million damage per Kunai crit. It's a shame that Moloko haven't made it into your list of suggested guns yet. Yet.
Also, Derch said "no other character can abuse it like Sal can" not "can abuse it at all" Which is true. Even if it's possible tu use that crit bonus with Kunais, that's a long way from the kind of shenanigans Sal can pull off :)
+Chuck80 that's still nowhere near what sal gets from the grogs crit. Sal can do it on almost all shots not one action skill override with a roid that's down. Than yeah etech snipers are pretty terrible and I'm not a fan at all.
I don't understand your hate on the Moloko. In Magic Slaughter this gun performs far better than DPUHs, Pimps or Interfacers. It still can do above a billion damage on Money Shots and it gets to Money Shot very quickly. I've never had ammo issues with it even without the "5 shots or 6" skill, too.
Why do you call it "hate" ? I don't have any particular emotional stake in that gun and I don't think Derch does either. That word is starting to lose all meaning as people are using it for every slight disagreement they see. We don't recommend using it because Maths say that it is bad, and playtesting shows the same: a Droog is better in almost every way possible. If you like using this gun and can get it to do good things, more power to you (I personally love using the teapot even though the Hornet is superior) but we're not gonna start recommending a gun with a 100% negative crit modifier that consumes 2 ammo per shot....because it is objectively (as in, not driven by hatred or any other emotion) bleah!
I've been playing around with Sal a little, doing a Gun Lust build, and I've found a really fun pair of weapons. A Hail and a Ricochet Fibber. Most of the time, you're hitting with one or the other, but when you position and aim perfectly and line it up it's HILARIOUS. I'm enjoying it a ton.
So I'm 1/3 thru this video and I had to stop to tell you guys how helpful this video is. In my research about bl2 I never wanted a build to copy, instead I wanted exactly what has been provided here. And that is a detailed explanation of what each skill and skill tree does for Sal so I can build my toon to my style of play. Thank you guys so much, you def have a new sub!!!
Why chuck why I watched the first half of it and will continue it later as I don't have time to watch 3 hours worth of borderlands 2 either way good video
8:05 I think the difference with Lilith is that phasewalk gave her invulnerability and made her undetectable at once, while also having a relatively short cooldown. The invulnerability combined with how enemies couldn't detect her within phasewalk made it so that she could get right up an enemy's ass without even getting hit, come out of it and start fucking shit upz and the short cooldown meant you could use that same invulnerability fairly soon afterwards when your health got low to get the fuck back out. Sal is detectable and vulnerable to damage throughout the entire approach, so you're less eager to just charge right in because there's actually a risk involved, as opposed to phasewalk having no immediately apparent risk during the approach itself. Imo, this means that Sal is not the spiritual successor to Lilith, but to Brick. In terms of how it can be used, Lilith's phasewalk is much more similar to Zer0's Deception than to any other action skill, frankly. Undetectable for the duration? Check. Short cooldown to allow allow a quickly charged gtfo button once you need to retreat? Check. Ability to quickly reposition to do the maximum amount of damage possible? Check. I've never used Zer0 extensively, to be fair, so I might be wrong to an extent. It's just how I've thought about using Zer0 myself, similar to how I use sniper Lilith.
Earned my cookie, you guys really did nail it. I have nothing to add, but I'd like to do a chat with you sometime derch, maybe more Sal or some Athena?
Autoloader is severely underrated it can provide an average dps increase over time on the magnitude of bore or double your fun if properly applied I personally love how it really opens up the playstyle of using 4 weapons actively in unison by not adding reload time onto swap time so swapping weapons doesnt loose you more time than you would have had to spend anyways reloading manually
I'd consider removing the word "Broken" when describing chars...especially when talking to people about their favorite chars. Many chars that you like could just as easily be considered broken when highlighting things they excel at. As far as I'm concerned these vault hunters are hero's and given the right gear and right build they should destroy things. I'm not a Sal Player, I play Maya, but Sal just looks like a char that actually works better because he was given skills that translate better in accordance with what the game engine can do. If Maya's phaselock could simply phase, but not lock-up larger enemies, half of her bonuses like wreck and such could still apply even on lone raid bosses. Maya would be a lot stronger if the devs had made her action skill translate better. Sal's action skill can be applied everywhere to great effect...I mean the game is about shooting things more so than anything else. Maya's magic just gets shafted sometimes.
Maybe I'm the only one on this planet to proclaim that the Legendary Titan is my favorite class mod for Salvador. It doesn't give much room for different gear combinations, but man, it just wreaks havoc. Want to see what the hell I'm talking about? Check what I have uploaded in my channel. Also, about that Steady as she goes-skill and Hyperion weapons... my two cents about that: I mainly dual wield Lady Fist and Grog. I have tried many, and I mean MANY different Lady Fists to determine the best one for my build and playstyle. The more fire rate, the more weapon sway. Lady Fist actually benefits from this skill at longer ranges. The reticle doesn't sway away (that much) from crit spots. And even if the negative effect occurs, the accuracy returns quite quickly. The less bullets you need to kill the target, the less the chance that the negative accuracy effect procs. That's why I think that damage prefixes tend to work better than fire rate ones (with SASG). I wouldn't use SASG with Double prefix Lady Fist or Interfacer. Negative accuracy procs too often for my liking. Without SASG you introduce much more weapon sway, thus needing to be closer to targets. There, the less accurate double prefix Lady Fist starts to shine. If enemy takes a long time to kill with crits, say, a loot midget loader in 4-player difficulty (solo), a Lady Fist with SASG becomes as nuisance. Without it, they are easier to take down. Also, Grog's drunken effect on Lady Fist benefits of not having SASG. Personally, I prefer and use SASG with dmg prefix shock Lady Fist. It makes it more viable at medium and longer ranges, where I primarily use it and where I need it to sway as little as possible. The negative accuracy effect is a minor inconvenience I can live with and all my other 3 (non-Hyperion) weapons benefit from it.
Love this video, and all your skill and gear guides. Wondering if you will do one of these with Claptrap, there isn't a whole lot of love for him I think.
Derch, while testing steady as she goes you forgot to gunzerk. That said, the skill still doesn't hurt so bad. With inconceivable and like maybe 8 shots I still get to max accuracy pretty quick. Although I'm new to Sal I LOVE using dahl miniguns with him, because not ADS means always on max spinigun firerate. With steady as she goes I'm pretty dang accurate with it too.
Awesome video. Only issue with inconceivable skill is that I believe it causes jamming or auto reloading issues. Not 100% sure this skill is what causes the issue but i think it is.
Hey Derch, Joltzdude139 made a build that is focused on all I need is one, and auto loader, but it uses the flakker-hab so you may not like it so much. However I recommend you check it out. The build basically focuses on you having an ahab in one hand then you shoot your flakker, and then you just switch to your other flakker, you get a kill, you reload your flakker etc. My explanation isn't the best but I recommend you just watch the video Joltzdude made.
I have seen that build, it works great. It's basically a variant on the Pimp/RL combo. There are I think 3 guns in the whole game where that trick works, and the Flakker is one of them. Joltz knows his stuff :) However, I wouldn't say that the build is "focused" on AINI1. It would work 90% as well without auto-loader or AINI1, but it does make the build faster since the Flakker has a small mag and a long reload (which is not a problem when you are using the pimp since it has a fairly large mag) Using an auto-loader loop makes the build more fluid, and since you're already swapping guns all the time, you might as well put points in AINI1.
You got damage reduction and damage resistance mixed up in this one. Damage reduction reduces damage by the listed amount, multiplicatively, while damage resistance is additive and scales hyperbolically using the formula 1/1+x, where x is your damage resistance stat. Damage resistance more intuitively increases your effective health by the same amount listed, while damage reduction always removes the listed portion of damage, effectively increasing your HP by 1 minus the DR amount
Salvador is just the most fun character like just pure fun, yes he is broken as fuck but if anyone thinks he makes the game easy play one of the other 5 characters it’s that simple plus every character has their own op play style; maya for example build around having phase lock up as much as possible can be hella op, kreig with blood splostion, zero pre stacking critical ascension can be even more ridiculous than money shot then your got gaige with anarchy even axtons grit with the right com can make him almost unkillable Just because Sal was op from the get go and it took multiple patches for the other characters to catch up I think anyone that says someone is bad at the game for using him is just ignorant or just wants to jump on the bandwagon to have a nice big ego boost I mean realistically it’s not like any random person could pick up Sal and just be god like like I said just because he is the easiest character to play, I think that is arguable as well, I don’t like the stigma that seems to follow him and with Sal being my only maxed out character it really gets to me
When showing steady as she goes, u didn't gunzerk or shoot anything. Bahroo said when u are shooting stuff with a hyperion weapon it will reset your accuracy w/ hyperion guns, this makes the interfacer bad because crits benefit this gun alot
For the conversation @35:00, I'd like to throw in safety first on Claptrap. It turns any shield into a naught. Also, I know I keep complaining about this whenever you bring this up, but melee buffs enable melee play styles for characters that might not be able to do them otherwise. 2 rapiers and FFoH are the main reasons to do a melee build, but considering you would be taking AITR and KIPH anyway, and Sal already has a metric shit ton of DPS skills (I don't have math, but I'm fairly certain he has no problems reaching fire rate caps, he has a bunch of mag size and reload buffs, and ammo mitigation), it doesn't hurt to throw a bone to melee players. Considering melee damage is on the Legendary Berserker, Sal operates at such close range, and his shield is often down, I think GB intended for Sal to have some melee components to them. And 50% passive damage is still a good deal, because you're not always going to be holding 2 rapiers. You'll need to use the grog to heal occasionally, and you'll lose 150% melee damage when you do that. With 2 rapiers, you get a 12.5% increase in damage, but when holding the grog, it would be a 20% increase in damage. Considering you also get reload speed, gun damage, and grenade damage from those skills, I think they're pretty ok.
What I meant is that Melee Sal would be just as viable without the 2 small melee buffs... and without the rapier it would be just as unviable despite those 2 skills...they don't make enough of a difference to change the viability of melee with Sal. Same with those small buffs on Axton or Maya...
Safety First on Claptrap is amazing. 15% damage debuff for always-on either health or shield passive regen + capacity boost. You can get it at level 4 IIRC and that's just insane. I can't think of many better tier 1 skills. Maya's Sweet Release is pretty great, since it's so easy to kill enemies while they're phaselocked. Claptrap also has tier 1 Maniacal Laughter and Fuzzy Logic. Fuzzy Logic may as well say "always on" and Maniacal Laughter works with any elemental weapon.
Fun Fact: Inconcievable and One Shot One Kill share the same skill tree image . Now imagine the skill was bugged and also gave sal one shot one kill when he took Inconcievable.......
I also agree that Sal isn't broken, he's just able to make the most use out of glitches that in a perfect world shouldn't be in the game. Without the glitches Sal wouldn't even come close to the monster he can be. That said, pretty much every endgame character rides solely on glitches, and I really detest that because it makes character building not based on building a good character but based on how many glitches you are aware of and the best way to make them appear. It's meta and really shouldn't exist. What's even worse is that the high difficulties seem to be balanced assuming you use glitches, try killing a single enemy without using glitches and you're not going to have a fun time. I really hope Borderlands 3 won't be such a broken mess, the game is fine up until you have to use glitches to proceed.
LMAO what glitches? Sal is a walking amalgamation of glitches vaguely shaped like a midget, but what else is there? Gaige abuses certain guns not being affected by Close Enough's damage penalty, but she far from needs that, so it doesn't limit build diversity. Every other character is more or less working as intended. Maya's immolate stuff is mostly gone to my knowledge, and even if not, she, again, doesn't need it. Axton has that speedrunning glitch with Expertise that only works in Co-Op?
I really don’t see why gearbox can’t put out an update to adjust the skill trees to make trees like Brawn better. The patch bee and what not why not the skills 😭
Inconceivable is on average like having a 100% magazine increase, not a 50%, because on average half of your bullets don't spend ammunition, so you shoot twice as much before running out.
Actually, it's a bit more than that since each shot gives the next another chance to proc... the probability curve isn't a straight line. But I don't remember saying that it was like a 50% increase... I often refer to it as a doubling.
S. Tyrannosaurus should have been stack based per enemy that hit you. I actually don't like plying Sal anymore because I can't just be the health regen tank with his Brawn tree I just don't wanna be the Grog machine.
If you too are still up to a discussion, what do ya think of a Jacobs quad build? IMO it's at least cool, since it's not just holding the trigger down. I tried it in the beginning of UVHM. I use 4 purple quads (and a pinper for slag). With boosted Moneyshot and NKLO, and also auto-loader, i can jump from mob to mob, with continuous uptime on 2 of my quads, and incite with 2 points in bus helps me run in range and stay alive(and, of course, rampage is filled because of perma gunzerk and inconceivable for 2 second of continuous fire with Jacobs). Up to this point the results have been spectacular for such a weird and (from my knowledge) unused build. It holds it's own on OP lvl 5 for now at both mobbing and bosses, and I expect it to keep this power in OP8. I'm just trying this because just now I got bored and came back to bl2, and, after a retarded maliwan pistol (and an smg ) kreig, I tried to do something more normal. But well I guess how normal it can get for me, since I did run pimpernel kraig at some point :)
Could be fun, I would have to try. But I really don't like Quads personally: Coach guns are much better in my experience. If you can match element with your target, a Tediore quad barrel will outperform a Jakobs quad in Damage, accuracy, recoil, effective fire rate, reload speed, mag size and DPS... And Tediore quads are not known to be great guns to start with, so that should tell you a lot about Jakobs quads I really don't get the love for quads :P
DeputyChuck well, because quads have 6 bullets as opposed to 3, and only fire twice just like coaches, so x2 moneyshot boost. With that, i get 240% more damage on average, which is huge,as opposed to 120% for coaches. And also quad bc i'm allready either 1 meter away or against something big (raid boses). I tried coach guns, and they are great one zero, but on sal i just need the damage. My point IS: it's better to kill it fast and run, wrather than tanking longer with the advantage of a bit of range (witch i feel is useless since sal can't ads and ussually fire straght after sprinting).
Horia Busuioc Or you could also use a gun with a mag size of 12 in your main hand and get full money shot bonus in your off hand with anything you put there... And get the same result overall.
DeputyChuck yeah... but i don't really like glich sal. Well i do agree with you that there are clarly better versions, this is fun as hell, relatively viable and bug free. But i get your point.
I returned to borderlands 2 and dpuh/grog build its to boring for me. after seeing derch vid and chuck80 thread on the forums i have been revitalized on playing sal again thanks guys! also Deputy Build is fun!! thanks guys!
Only started playing this properly for a couple of months; but I feel exactly the same about Salvador. A lot of people seem to really rate him/his skill, but its that skill that puts me off. I can't get past not aiming. I noticed playing him, I'd play but even use the skill. Still plan to beat the game with him, but after I've done it Ax and Z 0, done it w/Maya, all their skills/play styles I can definitely work with, more realistic for me maybe. Shame, cause it does sound so good, going full on police station Terminator! :D
Yes it does. Most grenade damage boost in the game will affect guns with added splash, so most Torgue guns, Maliwan snipers and pistols, and other uniques with splash like the Blockhead or hellfire
With filled to the brim it would’ve been great on gaige for shotguns because anarchy just about requires conference call just to compete and last in tvhm and uvhm
The legendary berserker class mod is by far the best Imo. Just write down the the boosts it gives and you see what I mean. 53% cool down, 29% fire rate, 48% melee damage, (assuming you put at least 1 point into each of the boosted skills) another 25% fire rate after reload, 35% switch speed, 10% crit damage, 25% magazine size, 15% ammunition capacity, 20% health, 0.5% health regen, 30% movement speed and 25% reload speed when hit, 20% movement speed when gunzerking.
Those are big numbers, but they don't make anything coherent. Sure you have lots of different bonuses, but they don't help you achieve anything specific, and as such, it's a bit meh... It gets you nowhere and most of the bonuses work in opposite directions. It's kinda like saying the best food is whichever you can get the most of for a dollar. I'd rather have a good sandwich than 10 lbs of lard and flour for lunch. The cooldown bonus is irrelevant because Get Some overrides it the Melee bonus is only good in dedicated melee builds ... it's good, but I think all the other legendary COMs do something specific and they do it very well, much better than the Berserker.
I don't agree with your analogy. A better analogy would be what's the best diet would be. A diverse diet where you get the most diverse range of different kinds of foods. Or a very specified diet where you only eat one type of food. The (luxury) problem with Sal is that he doesn't really need to specialize to be great at endgame (very different from say Zero), so a big boost to everything is amazing on Sal Imo. It is by far the most versatile Sal com that let's you be great almost no matter how you play. There's little point to go pure survival or glass cannon with him Imo, unless you're trying to proof something. I understand that really good Sal players can get more out of a few other coms (including Tina ones), but i think this com is the most convenient one for most players. And that 20% extra movespeed, I just can't go without it (loved Frenzy Barbarian in Diablo 2). 100% agreed with the melee thing though. The cool down just makes the com more versatile if for example you don't want to go down rampage so much. Sorry for long text
If what you want to do is Grog/Harold, then yeah, your gear supports your playstyle choice so you can afford to get a bit of everything from your COM (I prefer the legendary Gunzerker for that though) but the Hoarder allows you to play a completely different style, and the Titan gives you just about everything the Berserker gives you, and then some. (the Titan COM brings as much DPS as the berserker, maybe even more so) I will grant you that it is the most versatile, but I disagree on it being the best: it makes you a bit better at everything...but it doesn't allow you to do anything more or anything different As for Diablo 2 I played the Barbarian too :) I liked frenzy, but Berserk was my thing. I think I played as much Borderlands 2 as I have played Diablo 2 now, but I would need to be able to count :P
I played a lot of borderlands 2, but nothing close to Diablo 2 haha, my god, knew that game inside out. You definitely know more about Borderlands 2 then I do though. Maybe the Berserker com simply suits my playstyle for Sal most as I'm addicted to speed and it gives so much fire rate, reload speed, weapon swap speed and movement speed. So yeah. I actually don't use the grog in any of my builds on principle though, feels dirty. (kinda like how I tried to shy away from enigma :P) edit: Or hammerdin for that matter, talk about op character
I just use the bee shield and infinity ammo pistols with fire damage and two practical conference calls and the sheriffs badge and magic missile grenades... All you hear are enemies screaming about being on fire 🤣
I don't know if it still applies but on the monk mods Lazy Data did a video and showed that the critical damage is only additive and didn't make much of a difference so because of that I go for chaotic good or true neutral monk personally
The crit damage from the Monk COM is additive (type A) so it doesn't add much if you already have a lot of type A crit bonus (like if you're using a lady fist) but the grog nozzle is a multiplicative crit bonus, so it triples any bonus from an evil monk COM. Trust me, it's totally worth it.
Well i guess that i'm glad that you or derch had replied so I guess I'll try to farm a higher level chaoic evil but I do still do have a op1 chaotic evil monk with 31% Fire rate but i don't remember the crit value
So speaking about the lead storm build with the left hand being useless would the hail have any potential as a good off hand for healing plus the bullet trajectory is similar
@DeputyChuck hey i am currently leveling a sal. I'm halfway through tvhm and I'm working towards a deputy build. I am using the orphan maker + grog and i am curious if i should off hand the grog for healing (and apparently crit dmg if I understood it right) or off hand the orphan maker to get the full moneyshot bonus. I have no idea if anyone will see this comment but I would like to get a reply lol.
Orphan Maker left, Grog Nozzle right. You don't lose the healing or crit bonus by main-handing the Grog, and off-handing the Orphan Maker prevents the self damage.
That's true, I forgot to mention that. Good catch Though the War Dog is nearly as good and the Hoarder is slightly better because of the ammo regen, even in a team..
Is a Citrine Quad a viable replacement of the Orphan Maker? Usually use the Quad in my right hand and Grog/Lady in my off hand. GN and LF together gives +2,400% crit damage...
Thanks. One last thing, if the Raider COM penalty it's superior to the shield capacity, will the shield deplete (capacity 0) or the game will recognize it as having no shield?
You'll get the movement speed and inconceivable but not OoBG. Same reason as with the Rough rider: game sees negative shield capacity as having no shield, so your shield is not considered "depleted" for the purpose of OoBG, sorry.
Oh, I see. I've just finished TVHM with Sal, and I'm planning to start UVHM soon. Will you take a look at my build and tell me if there's something I should change? bl2skills.com/gunzerker.html#550001501005005500515011000000000 I'm using a Conference Call and a Hyperion Thinking Shock and Slag, a Hyperion Vision and a Lady Fist also Shock and Slag, an Adaptible Shield, Quasar, Leg Berserker and a Hyperion Alliance Relic for damage and reload speed.
You're gonna have a bit of a hard time with survival since you have no major investment in Brawn nor a Moxxi weapon. Even an underleveled Slag rubi or slag Kitten would be a great addition. Otherwise, try to find one point to move to keep firing :) and move the points from I'm ready already to All in the reflex: Cooldown bonuses don't apply to the cooldown Get some gives you, so those points are wasted. The rest seems perfect Edit: Oh and, find a point for FttB since your COM boosts it
shoulda brought the ogre for the ar part that things pretty nice imo and off meta for sal i think Edit: they talked about the ogre right after i typed this LOL
Hyperion grip reduces damage. The bandit grip gives you the highest possible magazine size with a slight penalty to reload speed which makes it the highest dps grip on Hyperion pistols and SMGs.
@@HenryMyth DPS on the Lady Fist is a bit pointless. Its main use it to provide the crit bonus and to slag. If anything, the Vladof or Maliwan grip would be better choices.
Gunzerking 5:23
Gun Lust Tree
•Locked & Loaded 8:34 (Pretty good skill)
•Quick Draw 9:31 (Low Crit at 5/5. Good swap speed for pistols)
•I’m your Huckleberry 11:25 (small buff for pistols. Decent if you’re using pistols. Applies to your main hand only)
•All I need is One 13:02 (Not that great)
•Divergent Likeness 15:02 (Good for Inaccurate guns (quad shotguns) and for the damage bonus)
•Auto-Loader 16:56 (Very good skill to reload other guns)
•Money Shot 18:46 (Great skill. Takes longer to money shot if you have Inconceivable)
•Lay Waste 23:40 ( Good Kill skill. Works on your off hand weapon only (Crit works on offhand but fire rate doesn’t)
•Down Not Out 25:29 (Worth it because you can Gunzerk while FFYL)
• Keep It Piping Hot 26:20 (Good after your action skill cooldown. Gets benefits from “Get Some”. Applies Gun Damage to your Main Hand only)
•No Kill Like Overkill 29:30 (Great skill to have. The weaker the enemy is the bigger the bonus. Synergizes with Money Shot)
Rampage Tree (ideal when starting a new Sal character. Put 5/5 into Hard to Kill then work your way down this tree)
•Inconceivable 34:07 (Good with Rough Rider. Not needed but reliable. Good Tier 1 skill)
•Filled to the Brim 36:40 (Switch out class mod after re-specking. Watch for more info. Solid skill but not needed. Great for NVHM)
•All in the Reflexes 38:22 (only good for the reload speed. You can use it if you’re doing a melee build)
•Last Longer 40:39 (increases gunzerking. Good with Yipee Ki Yay and Get Some skills)
•I’m Ready Already 41:51 (somewhat wasted because of Get Some & Last Longer. If you’re doing a rocket launcher build or running Digistruck Peak then you can use this skill)
•Steady as She Goes 44:42 (Not a bad skill, but with Hyperion weapons it’s not that great. Otherwise it’s a good skill)
•5 Shots or 6 47:44 (kill skill that gives free ammo to your magazine. Great with Vladof weapons. All or nothing with this skill i.e. 5/5 or 10/5)
•Yippee Ki Yay 50:23 (Great skill to have)
•Double Your Fun 53:53 (self-explanatory, for sure get this)
•Get Some 54:28 (Great skill to have, a must. Sal’s best skill (Chuck80))
• Keep Firing… 57:09 (practically a free skill since you’re always holding down the trigger buttons. Not great with Jakobs and Dahl weapons)
Brawn Tree
•Hard to Kill 1:02:38 (Health regen is negligible, but still solid skill)
•Incite 1:04:01 (great skill because you’re taking shot from enemies anyway)
•Asbestos 1:05:49 (mitigates DOTs so it’s something. But Sal has other things like Grog Nozzle. So it’s not really a bad skill but not needed)
•I’m the Juggernaut 1:08:12 (not as great)
•Ain’t Got Time to Bleed 1:12:04 (Great skill to get)
•Fistful of Hurt 1:14:13 (pretty fun skill and great for melee build or something that will get you killed up close to an enemy. Not needed)
•Out of Bubblegum 1:16:04 (For whatever reason, the Titan Class mod makes the rough rider not work, other shields work. If you have the rough rider without the titan class mod then you can you use it. Great skill in of itself)
•Bust That Can’t Slow Down 1:18:57 (Get this if you’re far down Brawn Tree. No reason to not get it)
•Just Got Real 1:20:05 (Not that great because you need low health to get the benefits, so basically FFYL)
•Sexual Tyrannosaurus 1:21:39 (Decent skill, but maybe invest points somewhere else)
•Come At Me Bro 1:25:18 (Good skill)
Guns
-Assault Rifles
Lead Storm 1:30:10
Sawbar 1:32:01
Bekah 1:32:47
Kitten 1:33:50
Other ARs 1:35:30
-Pistols
DPUH 1:36:12
Anarchist 1:36:17
Lady Fist 1:37:13
* About “Transferring” Bonuses with Sal 1:38:03 (watch)
Grog Nozzle 1:41:21
-Shotguns
Interfacer 1:49:43
Butcher 1:52:02
Orphan Maker 1:53:10
Jolly Roger 1:56:52
-SMG
Actualizer/Bitch 1:58:43
Tattler 1:59:50
Lasceux 2:00:18
-Snipers
Trespasser 2:03:40 (mostly for Pete and Voracidous)
Pimpernel 2:04:44 (rocket launcher trick)
Lyuda 2:09:14
Longbow 2:09:58
-Rocket Launchers 2:11:21
Topneea 2:11:30
Derp 2:12:28
-Shields (shields don’t synergize with Sal except ones that increase health)
Rough Rider 2:13:38 (great on raids but not so much mobbing)
Evolution/Neogenator 2:14:47
Fabled Tortoise (lvl 30) (Blast Prefix) w/ Raider Class Mod 2:15:39 (watch)
Blockade/Antagonist 2:17:14 (doesn’t synergize with Sal but still great shields)
The Bee 2:17:40
The Sham 2:17:55 (great for rocket launcher builds)
Flame of the Firehawk 2:18:26 (Great shield because of constant shots from enemies)
-Grenades
Chain Lightning 2:19:53 (used mostly for healing because of Grog)
Storm Front 2:20:15
Fastball 2:21:24 (works well with No Kill Like Overkill)
Magic Missile 2:22:02 (not really needed unless you’re not going to use a slag weapon)
Slag Transfusion 2:22:59
-Relics
Deputy’s Badge 2:24:01
Blood of the Ancients 2:24:25 (necessary for Brawn Tree build)
Might of the Seraphs 2:25:13 (oddly, this works very well for Sal only)
Bone of the Ancients 2:26:29
Sheriff’s Badge 2:27:16
Allegiance Relic (Jakob) 2:27:40
-Class Mods
Legendary Berserker 2:29:40 (good com, but outdone by others, great for melee build)
Slayer of Terramorphous 2:31:30 (bad class mod)
Legendary Hoarder 2:32:24 (does everything right. Solid Class mod)
Legendary Gunzerker 2:34:46 (“permanent” gunzerk)
Legendary Titan 2:36:50 (Very good for Brawn Tree build)
Auspicious Raider 2:41:03 (skill wise it’s very good. Get blue version +6 money shot +5 incite. Sadly the dlc version is better which is Chaotic Evil Monk. Great if you don’t have DLC or don’t want to farm for CEM)
Armored Tank 2:42:50 (doesn’t really make sense. Legendary Titan is better)
Determined war Dog 2:43:54 (underrated class mod (chuck80). Great Class Mod. Great for the Butcher gun)
Pragmatic Devastator 2:46:10 (okay class mod, but not very good)
Suave Renegade 2:47:38 (great for pistols)
Altered Beast 2:50:45 (good for leveling up)
Chaotic Evil Monk 2:51:45 (The Critical Damage applies to off-hand)
Some might say "just watch the video?", but this helps alot for a rewatch. Someone can frequently use these timestamps to see what works when they get it, how to make something work. Thank you.
Nice job!
You Sir are a blessing to this world.
An absolute unit
Good lndex. Also good lord.
"I usually don't link other people's content."
- Derch, the guy who linked my Axton vid like no other. xD
I make exceptions
......yeah......
Rewatching this since I'm making a new Sal from scratch and it's so funny how Chuck has this "I'm not mad, I'm just dissappointed" tone throughout the entire brawn tree.
Why the orphan thou? Cuz money shot wont work well. Only 240%
@@Unique-xs2je Money Shot only checks the mag size of the right hand, which is why Orphan Maker is held in the left so it gets full bonus while also removing it's self damage.
This video always made me upset. Chuck80 is LEGENDARY for this! Derch was kind of jerk in this and he just constantly (like a lot of TH-cam meta players) says how broken Sal is with ZERO room for actual analysis. Chuck80 is legit because he actually took the time to really figure how Sal works. Derch's push back to buffing ANYTHING on Sal was just frustrating to listen to. He also has this same issue with Gaige.
@@khrashingphantom9632I don’t think he is being a jerk tbh with you. He is giving his opinion about a class he personally does not prefer. He admits himself that he isn’t the most knowledgable with Sal, reason why Chuck being part of the video. I learnt a lot from this video. I mean I can’t lie Gaige is my least favourite to play in BL2 I do
Agree with Derch her being the worst designed character. Anyway no hate.
@@Jarrad-t3i I still feel like constantly interjecting and dismissing what an expert is saying about a subject you are unfamiliar with is rude, and somewhat hinders your ability to learn. If Derch is stuck in the perspective “Sal is broken” he wouldn’t see that even Sal needed buffs and reworks. Now with Gaige she IS poorly designed but he didn’t consult an expert of any kind when he was doing his breakdown of her, which was also frustrating. Because Gaige is probably the MOST misunderstood character in BL2 and that lack of understanding being perpetuated but larger community channels (Derch, Joltz, etc) creates the idea that she isn’t a good character and that there’s only VERY SPECIFIC ways she can be played with no room from growth, which just isn’t true. The only reason we got Deputy Sal is because someone took the time to LEARN how to develop a build with him and then shared it with community at large. Otherwise people really believe the only way to play Sal is with the Grog/DPUH, and the myth that Sal’s Brawn tree is rendered completely useless by the grog nozzle (which some people still incorrectly believe).
11 minutes in, so far. I really enjoyed the chat at the start. Chuck is a very solid presence at the gbx board. Love seeing him get love here.
Thanks :)
I can't believe I haven't found this channel sooner. This is one of the best in depth analysis of my favorite character in the whole series and I think it is the most in depth that I have found this is great.
This is the best guide for Borderlands i have seen so far. It's informative,it's made with passion,it's made with details. Chuck is like Gunzerking Scholar,goddamit...and I thought that i would never say it but I actually really have to - I feel like I need to revisit Salvador
My work here is done then :)
+Chuck80 oh no it's just begun
@Grym The first mistake with you people is you try to think then you want to be heard when you should just be quiet and understand it's a personal perspective of their own experience not yours. If you feel so compelled about the Brawn tree go make a vid and call that shit Brawn tree is still good even on OP levels, but only if you are good enough which you obviously are not, see right there I as you can assume shit too.
What I really like are Chuck's words at the start. When I was starting my sal I felt weak as shit and didn't really feel strong until I reached lvl 72 and then checked some builds.
this is fantastic and deserves way more views. I've been playing casually for a while and just got to UVHM with gaige for the first time last week and thought I'd like to play SAL since my maya and axton characters were struggling with raid bosses. This video has inspired me massively.
Chuck80 and Derch, well done on a informative and enjoyable video, despite the length, but there was a lot of information and ideas to digest.
Love these, just introduced a friend to bl2 and are still using your guides to help them build a character
Double Your Fun doesn't really double your grenade count, it just doubles your damage. You always throw 2 grenades at once so you can't effectively use 20 grenades against 20 targets.
No, but you can use 20 grenades against 10 targets :P
that's still doubling your count ... but a bit more restrictive on the targeting than an actual doubling.
Also, there is a slight delay between each toss, so if you turn while chucking them, you could theoretically target 2 different foes :P
Chuck80 In theory, yeah, but practically that will rarely be the case. xD And let's say you're using a Fastball and you just need 1 nade for most enemies the second grenade will just be wasted.
Yeah, ok. Visually it still throws 2 grenades, so it's like it doubles your count, but it's true that from a maths point of view, it would be closer to say that it doubles the damage. I get what you mean.
Though in the case of ...say...mirvs or transfusions, it does double the number of child projectiles, making the spread that much more compact.... or in the case of slag grenades, if the first one slags, the second one gets the slag-on-slag bonus....so there are also problems with referring to this as a doubling of damage too.
Mr. Lahey so so tru
Dｅmｏnｉtｅ TECHNICALLY you can, if you manage to move your aim fast enough between the first and second one, but it's super hard to do
Just finished processing, might take a bit to get HD. Took 13 hours to process and upload
Derch I can't wait for claptrap as he's my favorite character could I possibly get your thoughts on him
I'm assuming it's a similar situation as last time: sleep, drink and look at clothes until it uploads?
I got it started at 6pm yesterday, also took forever to render. Then woke up at 6am and it wasn't done.
u could add especific times on the description, like smgs on 1:39:27 or sohtguns on 1:47:07 and so on
No that would be too many to add and they are not that far apart.
Y'all making me proud
Thanks buddy :)
This is also because of you since you thought me pretty much everything I know. Not only that but you also thought me to theorycraft properly in the first place.
*looks at video length*
3 hours?! Oh dear, Sal has that many layers of exploits and glitches, doesn't he?
XoRandomGuyoX salvador is like the universe a vast anomly people are finding new things in long after it's creation
i can see why you love sal, chuck. i've been building my own sheriff sal. before i was struggling, then i got my hands on a DPUH. i've forgotten what it means to aim anymore XD
Skills
0:05:02 Action Skill
0:05:24 Gunzerking
0:07:57 Gun Lust tree
0:08:35 Tier 1 - Locked & Loaded
0:09:26 Tier 1 - Quick Draw
0:11:25 Tier 2 - I'm Your Huckleberry
0:13:02 Tier 2 - All I Need is One
0:15:01 Tier 3 - Divergent Likeness
0:16:57 Tier 3 - Auto-Loader
0:18:44 Tier 3 - Money Shot
0:23:40 Tier 4 - Lay Waste
0:25:28 Tier 4 - Down Not Out
0:26:20 Tier 5 - Keep It Piping Hot
0:29:30 Tier 6 - No Kill Like Overkill
0:34:02 Rampage tree
0:34:08 Tier 1 - Inconceivable
0:36:40 Tier 1 - Filled to the Brim
0:38:21 Tier 2 - All in the Reflexes
0:40:38 Tier 2 - Last Longer
0:41:49 Tier 3 - I'm Ready Already
0:44:41 Tier 3 - Steady as She Goes
0:47:42 Tier 3 - 5 Shots or 6
0:50:22 Tier 4 - Yippee Ki Yay
0:53:52 Tier 4 - Double Your Fun
0:54:27 Tier 5 - Get Some
0:57:08 Tier 6 - Keep Firing...
1:00:26 Brawn tree
1:02:37 Tier 1 - Hard to Kill
1:04:00 Tier 1 - Incite
1:05:48 Tier 2 - Asbestos
1:08:12 Tier 2 - I'm the Juggernaut
1:12:04 Tier 3 - Ain't Got Time to Bleed
1:14:14 Tier 3 - Fistful of Hurt
1:16:04 Tier 3 - Out of Bubblegum
1:18:58 Tier 4 - Bus That Can't Slow Down
1:20:05 Tier 4 - Just Got Real
1:21:39 Tier 5 - Sexual Tyrannosaurus
1:25:18 Tier 6 - Come At Me, Bro
New Sal player. Broke this up over a week. Played in between viewings. What a difference.
Glad we helped :)
@Mayan Ruins Middle tree to start. Sal is actually harder to level than most characters as he's so dependent on gear. Look for Vladof snipers and Hyperion shotguns while leveling. Adaptive shields are a good choice.
There is no real shortcut to it while leveling. Just keep at it. Sal only gets OP when you have access to top Gear.
Derch, I love these deep dive guides - literally come back whenever I have been away or start a new character.
Listened to the whole thing. Great content and collaboration.
+Алексей Сергеевич we have another one coming up
36:58 it also applies to some other skills. Resourceful and Duty Calls IIRC on Axton.
3 hours ? Definitely watching the whole thing ! That means more Derch ! Yes !
Great, informative guide. You don't have to learn to play Sal beyond 'hold down triggers' but its still nice to see why and how he works as does.
The last one of these guides is going to be 5 hours long at this rate, lmao
I wouldnt mind it :D
Sal and Krieg are my favorite for wrecking face with explosions. But I also love Maya, she quickly does insane damage when mobbing. I have a soft spot for Zer0 because he was my first and his melee is crazy "sniping is boring". Axton and Mechromancer are also fun, I love them all. For me having fun is what matter most, regardless of who is best for the situation. Personally I love all the craziness in the builds and so called broken mechanics. It's definitely one of the reasons I still love this game after all these years.
If you like wrecking face with explosions... Go into Reborn mod with Axton! It easily brings axton up to an unstoppable wrecking machine
Must admit, I like this discussion-type of guide you made - I didn't even notice those 3 hours watching through all of it.
This somehow made me want to try out Evo or Neo on Salvador since I, well, never used those on him, thinking they are outperformed by Rough Rider. And thanks to Chuck80 for explaining how NKLO works - I wasn't able to figure it out by myself.
I can't agree with one statement about Grog, though:
1:45:30 "No other character can abuse Grog's crit at all"
You know, critting with Kunai while roid-boosted is both fun and efficient. UB Corrosive Skag having almost a billion health in 4P mode died to just 2 Kunai tosses with each Kunai doing 164 million damage thanks to Grog's crit modifier. Granted, skags take obscene amounts of crit damage, but I still find it impressive. Regular enemies take up to 19 million damage per Kunai crit.
It's a shame that Moloko haven't made it into your list of suggested guns yet. Yet.
Molokos are pretty bad: They consume twice the ammo (it matters since sniper ammo is very limited) and they have a negative crit modifier
Also, Derch said "no other character can abuse it like Sal can" not "can abuse it at all"
Which is true. Even if it's possible tu use that crit bonus with Kunais, that's a long way from the kind of shenanigans Sal can pull off :)
+Chuck80 that's still nowhere near what sal gets from the grogs crit. Sal can do it on almost all shots not one action skill override with a roid that's down. Than yeah etech snipers are pretty terrible and I'm not a fan at all.
I don't understand your hate on the Moloko. In Magic Slaughter this gun performs far better than DPUHs, Pimps or Interfacers. It still can do above a billion damage on Money Shots and it gets to Money Shot very quickly. I've never had ammo issues with it even without the "5 shots or 6" skill, too.
Why do you call it "hate" ?
I don't have any particular emotional stake in that gun and I don't think Derch does either. That word is starting to lose all meaning as people are using it for every slight disagreement they see.
We don't recommend using it because Maths say that it is bad, and playtesting shows the same: a Droog is better in almost every way possible.
If you like using this gun and can get it to do good things, more power to you (I personally love using the teapot even though the Hornet is superior) but we're not gonna start recommending a gun with a 100% negative crit modifier that consumes 2 ammo per shot....because it is objectively (as in, not driven by hatred or any other emotion) bleah!
Salvador at max level is basically easy mode 9 times out of 10, there’s no way around that.
And Krieg at Uvm is masochism
@@peeweeherman9411 lmfao
@@peeweeherman9411 guess im a masochist lol
I've been playing around with Sal a little, doing a Gun Lust build, and I've found a really fun pair of weapons.
A Hail and a Ricochet Fibber. Most of the time, you're hitting with one or the other, but when you position and aim perfectly and line it up it's HILARIOUS. I'm enjoying it a ton.
+Derch Damn, thats dedication. Keep up the good work!
Thank Chuck for taking the time out to do this with me as well
My voice and accent don't sound as bad as I thought they would, though I keep saying "regen" with a hard G for some reason :P
I've learned a lot about my own oddities when I speak from doing this
OMG, I think I hit the mic too close to my face in the second part :P
+Chuck80 yeah I didn't notice it until after I tried to clean it up in post
So I'm 1/3 thru this video and I had to stop to tell you guys how helpful this video is. In my research about bl2 I never wanted a build to copy, instead I wanted exactly what has been provided here. And that is a detailed explanation of what each skill and skill tree does for Sal so I can build my toon to my style of play. Thank you guys so much, you def have a new sub!!!
Glad that helped :)
Great video. The joint walkthrough worked well and nothing better than real time fact checking.
Thanks for going over gunzerker with us 💯 👌🏼
The thing that makes Sal OP is the guns taking on the other guns effect and the grog and lady. If that didnt stack powers he wouldn't be broken
44:42 steady as she goes only works while gunzerking
Nearly 3 hours GOD DAMN DERCH
Blame chuck :)
Totally my fault this time
Why chuck why I watched the first half of it and will continue it later as I don't have time to watch 3 hours worth of borderlands 2 either way good video
Still coming back to this for my newly OP8 Sal, great guide!
Thanks :)
I think that Come At Me Bro should be on a 20 sec cooldown but not once per gunzerk.
I love this pod cast talking about sal and how to improve Damn 2021
8:05 I think the difference with Lilith is that phasewalk gave her invulnerability and made her undetectable at once, while also having a relatively short cooldown. The invulnerability combined with how enemies couldn't detect her within phasewalk made it so that she could get right up an enemy's ass without even getting hit, come out of it and start fucking shit upz and the short cooldown meant you could use that same invulnerability fairly soon afterwards when your health got low to get the fuck back out. Sal is detectable and vulnerable to damage throughout the entire approach, so you're less eager to just charge right in because there's actually a risk involved, as opposed to phasewalk having no immediately apparent risk during the approach itself. Imo, this means that Sal is not the spiritual successor to Lilith, but to Brick. In terms of how it can be used, Lilith's phasewalk is much more similar to Zer0's Deception than to any other action skill, frankly. Undetectable for the duration? Check. Short cooldown to allow allow a quickly charged gtfo button once you need to retreat? Check. Ability to quickly reposition to do the maximum amount of damage possible? Check.
I've never used Zer0 extensively, to be fair, so I might be wrong to an extent. It's just how I've thought about using Zer0 myself, similar to how I use sniper Lilith.
If I recall correctly, NKLOK applies to Money shot which makes the damage be 5780% (x57.8)
Yeah they can both be on the same shot if you set it up
Earned my cookie, you guys really did nail it. I have nothing to add, but I'd like to do a chat with you sometime derch, maybe more Sal or some Athena?
+Sljm 8D (Yojimbo) I'd be down this was fun
+Sljm 8D (Yojimbo) I'm also thinking of getting a group of people together for a bl3 wish list round table video
That'd be a heck of a lot of fun, I'm down. Hit me up on twitter if you get any more details ok?
Autoloader is severely underrated it can provide an average dps increase over time on the magnitude of bore or double your fun if properly applied
I personally love how it really opens up the playstyle of using 4 weapons actively in unison by not adding reload time onto swap time so swapping weapons doesnt loose you more time than you would have had to spend anyways reloading manually
Damn son, new channel banner. I love it.
I did it a week ago or more, I think this is the first comment on it. Thanks
Derch I did not notice it until now. Who made it?
+Squidinator I did
Derch awesome I also really like the subtitle.
I'd consider removing the word "Broken" when describing chars...especially when talking to people about their favorite chars. Many chars that you like could just as easily be considered broken when highlighting things they excel at. As far as I'm concerned these vault hunters are hero's and given the right gear and right build they should destroy things. I'm not a Sal Player, I play Maya, but Sal just looks like a char that actually works better because he was given skills that translate better in accordance with what the game engine can do. If Maya's phaselock could simply phase, but not lock-up larger enemies, half of her bonuses like wreck and such could still apply even on lone raid bosses. Maya would be a lot stronger if the devs had made her action skill translate better. Sal's action skill can be applied everywhere to great effect...I mean the game is about shooting things more so than anything else. Maya's magic just gets shafted sometimes.
Maybe I'm the only one on this planet to proclaim that the Legendary Titan is my favorite class mod for Salvador. It doesn't give much room for different gear combinations, but man, it just wreaks havoc. Want to see what the hell I'm talking about? Check what I have uploaded in my channel.
Also, about that Steady as she goes-skill and Hyperion weapons... my two cents about that:
I mainly dual wield Lady Fist and Grog. I have tried many, and I mean MANY different Lady Fists to determine the best one for my build and playstyle.
The more fire rate, the more weapon sway. Lady Fist actually benefits from this skill at longer ranges. The reticle doesn't sway away (that much) from crit spots. And even if the negative effect occurs, the accuracy returns quite quickly. The less bullets you need to kill the target, the less the chance that the negative accuracy effect procs. That's why I think that damage prefixes tend to work better than fire rate ones (with SASG).
I wouldn't use SASG with Double prefix Lady Fist or Interfacer. Negative accuracy procs too often for my liking. Without SASG you introduce much more weapon sway, thus needing to be closer to targets. There, the less accurate double prefix Lady Fist starts to shine. If enemy takes a long time to kill with crits, say, a loot midget loader in 4-player difficulty (solo), a Lady Fist with SASG becomes as nuisance. Without it, they are easier to take down. Also, Grog's drunken effect on Lady Fist benefits of not having SASG.
Personally, I prefer and use SASG with dmg prefix shock Lady Fist. It makes it more viable at medium and longer ranges, where I primarily use it and where I need it to sway as little as possible. The negative accuracy effect is a minor inconvenience I can live with and all my other 3 (non-Hyperion) weapons benefit from it.
Love this video, and all your skill and gear guides. Wondering if you will do one of these with Claptrap, there isn't a whole lot of love for him I think.
Yes doing all of the characters from bl2 and tps
Awesome! Can't wait
I've been recording them every sat and posting them every sunday
Derch, while testing steady as she goes you forgot to gunzerk. That said, the skill still doesn't hurt so bad. With inconceivable and like maybe 8 shots I still get to max accuracy pretty quick. Although I'm new to Sal I LOVE using dahl miniguns with him, because not ADS means always on max spinigun firerate. With steady as she goes I'm pretty dang accurate with it too.
Awesome video. Only issue with inconceivable skill is that I believe it causes jamming or auto reloading issues. Not 100% sure this skill is what causes the issue but i think it is.
Yeah, I believe that happens if you let go of the fire button when a money shot chain could've been going.
@@imhulki463 Yup, that's it
While I haven't gotten too far, my favorite way to play sal is with two fast firing jakobs revolvers. Hoping to get some maggies son for him
Wait.... 3 HOURS??????
well only 2 hours and 55 mins, sorry to disappoint
We also did it in one take with only 1 break. It was a marathon
+Derch Really now? man. you're great at this whole TH-cam thing.
It's not that hard when you are passionate. The only cut was before the com's for a bathroom break. If not for that we would of gone strait through.
I'm dead
Hey Derch, Joltzdude139 made a build that is focused on all I need is one, and auto loader, but it uses the flakker-hab so you may not like it so much. However I recommend you check it out. The build basically focuses on you having an ahab in one hand then you shoot your flakker, and then you just switch to your other flakker, you get a kill, you reload your flakker etc. My explanation isn't the best but I recommend you just watch the video Joltzdude made.
I have seen that build, it works great. It's basically a variant on the Pimp/RL combo. There are I think 3 guns in the whole game where that trick works, and the Flakker is one of them. Joltz knows his stuff :)
However, I wouldn't say that the build is "focused" on AINI1. It would work 90% as well without auto-loader or AINI1, but it does make the build faster since the Flakker has a small mag and a long reload (which is not a problem when you are using the pimp since it has a fairly large mag)
Using an auto-loader loop makes the build more fluid, and since you're already swapping guns all the time, you might as well put points in AINI1.
You got damage reduction and damage resistance mixed up in this one. Damage reduction reduces damage by the listed amount, multiplicatively, while damage resistance is additive and scales hyperbolically using the formula 1/1+x, where x is your damage resistance stat. Damage resistance more intuitively increases your effective health by the same amount listed, while damage reduction always removes the listed portion of damage, effectively increasing your HP by 1 minus the DR amount
Salvador is just the most fun character like just pure fun, yes he is broken as fuck but if anyone thinks he makes the game easy play one of the other 5 characters it’s that simple plus every character has their own op play style; maya for example build around having phase lock up as much as possible can be hella op, kreig with blood splostion, zero pre stacking critical ascension can be even more ridiculous than money shot then your got gaige with anarchy even axtons grit with the right com can make him almost unkillable
Just because Sal was op from the get go and it took multiple patches for the other characters to catch up I think anyone that says someone is bad at the game for using him is just ignorant or just wants to jump on the bandwagon to have a nice big ego boost I mean realistically it’s not like any random person could pick up Sal and just be god like like I said just because he is the easiest character to play, I think that is arguable as well, I don’t like the stigma that seems to follow him and with Sal being my only maxed out character it really gets to me
When showing steady as she goes, u didn't gunzerk or shoot anything. Bahroo said when u are shooting stuff with a hyperion weapon it will reset your accuracy w/ hyperion guns, this makes the interfacer bad because crits benefit this gun alot
Also he said his build was exclusively for the interfacer
I finally finished watching this damn video... NOW I WANT THAT COOKIE!!!!
Also I might try the Gunzerker now.
For the conversation @35:00, I'd like to throw in safety first on Claptrap. It turns any shield into a naught.
Also, I know I keep complaining about this whenever you bring this up, but melee buffs enable melee play styles for characters that might not be able to do them otherwise. 2 rapiers and FFoH are the main reasons to do a melee build, but considering you would be taking AITR and KIPH anyway, and Sal already has a metric shit ton of DPS skills (I don't have math, but I'm fairly certain he has no problems reaching fire rate caps, he has a bunch of mag size and reload buffs, and ammo mitigation), it doesn't hurt to throw a bone to melee players.
Considering melee damage is on the Legendary Berserker, Sal operates at such close range, and his shield is often down, I think GB intended for Sal to have some melee components to them. And 50% passive damage is still a good deal, because you're not always going to be holding 2 rapiers. You'll need to use the grog to heal occasionally, and you'll lose 150% melee damage when you do that. With 2 rapiers, you get a 12.5% increase in damage, but when holding the grog, it would be a 20% increase in damage. Considering you also get reload speed, gun damage, and grenade damage from those skills, I think they're pretty ok.
What I meant is that Melee Sal would be just as viable without the 2 small melee buffs... and without the rapier it would be just as unviable despite those 2 skills...they don't make enough of a difference to change the viability of melee with Sal.
Same with those small buffs on Axton or Maya...
Safety First on Claptrap is amazing. 15% damage debuff for always-on either health or shield passive regen + capacity boost. You can get it at level 4 IIRC and that's just insane.
I can't think of many better tier 1 skills. Maya's Sweet Release is pretty great, since it's so easy to kill enemies while they're phaselocked. Claptrap also has tier 1 Maniacal Laughter and Fuzzy Logic. Fuzzy Logic may as well say "always on" and Maniacal Laughter works with any elemental weapon.
Fun Fact: Inconcievable and One Shot One Kill share the same skill tree image .
Now imagine the skill was bugged and also gave sal one shot one kill when he took Inconcievable.......
I also agree that Sal isn't broken, he's just able to make the most use out of glitches that in a perfect world shouldn't be in the game. Without the glitches Sal wouldn't even come close to the monster he can be. That said, pretty much every endgame character rides solely on glitches, and I really detest that because it makes character building not based on building a good character but based on how many glitches you are aware of and the best way to make them appear. It's meta and really shouldn't exist. What's even worse is that the high difficulties seem to be balanced assuming you use glitches, try killing a single enemy without using glitches and you're not going to have a fun time. I really hope Borderlands 3 won't be such a broken mess, the game is fine up until you have to use glitches to proceed.
61 really should've stayed the level cap.
Money shot and pimperhab are not glitches
LMAO what glitches? Sal is a walking amalgamation of glitches vaguely shaped like a midget, but what else is there? Gaige abuses certain guns not being affected by Close Enough's damage penalty, but she far from needs that, so it doesn't limit build diversity. Every other character is more or less working as intended. Maya's immolate stuff is mostly gone to my knowledge, and even if not, she, again, doesn't need it. Axton has that speedrunning glitch with Expertise that only works in Co-Op?
I really don’t see why gearbox can’t put out an update to adjust the skill trees to make trees like Brawn better. The patch bee and what not why not the skills 😭
2:00:50 Your Lascaux consistently fires in a unicorn pattern
Isn't it a bull?
Inconceivable is on average like having a 100% magazine increase, not a 50%, because on average half of your bullets don't spend ammunition, so you shoot twice as much before running out.
Actually, it's a bit more than that since each shot gives the next another chance to proc... the probability curve isn't a straight line. But I don't remember saying that it was like a 50% increase... I often refer to it as a doubling.
The video is very long but i think Derch stated that somewhere (:
S. Tyrannosaurus should have been stack based per enemy that hit you. I actually don't like plying Sal anymore because I can't just be the health regen tank with his Brawn tree I just don't wanna be the Grog machine.
Drove me nuts when you kept saying "sail" for sal....think of it like saying "saul"....other than that great insight into my fav character
If you too are still up to a discussion, what do ya think of a Jacobs quad build? IMO it's at least cool, since it's not just holding the trigger down. I tried it in the beginning of UVHM. I use 4 purple quads (and a pinper for slag). With boosted Moneyshot and NKLO, and also auto-loader, i can jump from mob to mob, with continuous uptime on 2 of my quads, and incite with 2 points in bus helps me run in range and stay alive(and, of course, rampage is filled because of perma gunzerk and inconceivable for 2 second of continuous fire with Jacobs). Up to this point the results have been spectacular for such a weird and (from my knowledge) unused build. It holds it's own on OP lvl 5 for now at both mobbing and bosses, and I expect it to
keep this power in OP8. I'm just trying this because just now I got bored and came back to bl2, and, after a retarded maliwan pistol (and an smg ) kreig, I tried to do something more normal. But well I guess how normal it can get for me, since I did run pimpernel kraig at some point :)
Could be fun, I would have to try. But I really don't like Quads personally: Coach guns are much better in my experience.
If you can match element with your target, a Tediore quad barrel will outperform a Jakobs quad in Damage, accuracy, recoil, effective fire rate, reload speed, mag size and DPS... And Tediore quads are not known to be great guns to start with, so that should tell you a lot about Jakobs quads
I really don't get the love for quads :P
DeputyChuck well, because quads have 6 bullets as opposed to 3, and only fire twice just like coaches, so x2 moneyshot boost. With that, i get 240% more damage on average, which is huge,as opposed to 120% for coaches. And also quad bc i'm allready either 1 meter away or against something big (raid boses).
I tried coach guns, and they are great one zero, but on sal i just need the damage.
My point IS: it's better to kill it fast and run, wrather than tanking longer with the advantage of a bit of range (witch i feel is useless since sal can't ads and ussually fire straght after sprinting).
Horia Busuioc Or you could also use a gun with a mag size of 12 in your main hand and get full money shot bonus in your off hand with anything you put there... And get the same result overall.
DeputyChuck yeah... but i don't really like glich sal. Well i do agree with you that there are clarly better versions, this is fun as hell,
relatively viable and bug free. But i get your point.
@@kunichuck what?! You can do that?
Wow sal is really insane.
Also, what? You have a channel?
I returned to borderlands 2 and dpuh/grog build its to boring for me. after seeing derch vid and chuck80 thread on the forums i have been revitalized on playing sal again thanks guys! also Deputy Build is fun!! thanks guys!
Glad you're having fun :)
Orcken Pork I admit to using the DPUH, but I will never grab a grog.
I used the dpuh last night it was actually pretty fun after not even having it in my inventory for a long time
When i get sal higher i will never get a grog
Only started playing this properly for a couple of months; but I feel exactly the same about Salvador. A lot of people seem to really rate him/his skill, but its that skill that puts me off. I can't get past not aiming. I noticed playing him, I'd play but even use the skill. Still plan to beat the game with him, but after I've done it Ax and Z 0, done it w/Maya, all their skills/play styles I can definitely work with, more realistic for me maybe. Shame, cause it does sound so good, going full on police station Terminator! :D
also, did Chuck mention that the grenade damage on keep it pipin' hot boosts the Harold?
Yes it does. Most grenade damage boost in the game will affect guns with added splash, so most Torgue guns, Maliwan snipers and pistols, and other uniques with splash like the Blockhead or hellfire
Wait what?!? It boosts Harold?!!
*Respec*
You now have 7,777 subs. That's pretty lucky!
7780 now :)
+Derch and still growing, hope to see a far larger number in the future my good man.
Yeah the numbers have been moving pretty well.
+Derch maybe we'll see a 7 digit number in the future eh? (And as I'm typing this you replied to my other comment as well, yay me I feel special lol)
With filled to the brim it would’ve been great on gaige for shotguns because anarchy just about requires conference call just to compete and last in tvhm and uvhm
The legendary berserker class mod is by far the best Imo. Just write down the the boosts it gives and you see what I mean. 53% cool down, 29% fire rate, 48% melee damage, (assuming you put at least 1 point into each of the boosted skills) another 25% fire rate after reload, 35% switch speed, 10% crit damage, 25% magazine size, 15% ammunition capacity, 20% health, 0.5% health regen, 30% movement speed and 25% reload speed when hit, 20% movement speed when gunzerking.
Those are big numbers, but they don't make anything coherent. Sure you have lots of different bonuses, but they don't help you achieve anything specific, and as such, it's a bit meh... It gets you nowhere and most of the bonuses work in opposite directions.
It's kinda like saying the best food is whichever you can get the most of for a dollar.
I'd rather have a good sandwich than 10 lbs of lard and flour for lunch.
The cooldown bonus is irrelevant because Get Some overrides it
the Melee bonus is only good in dedicated melee builds
... it's good, but I think all the other legendary COMs do something specific and they do it very well, much better than the Berserker.
I don't agree with your analogy. A better analogy would be what's the best diet would be. A diverse diet where you get the most diverse range of different kinds of foods. Or a very specified diet where you only eat one type of food. The (luxury) problem with Sal is that he doesn't really need to specialize to be great at endgame (very different from say Zero), so a big boost to everything is amazing on Sal Imo. It is by far the most versatile Sal com that let's you be great almost no matter how you play. There's little point to go pure survival or glass cannon with him Imo, unless you're trying to proof something. I understand that really good Sal players can get more out of a few other coms (including Tina ones), but i think this com is the most convenient one for most players. And that 20% extra movespeed, I just can't go without it (loved Frenzy Barbarian in Diablo 2). 100% agreed with the melee thing though. The cool down just makes the com more versatile if for example you don't want to go down rampage so much. Sorry for long text
If what you want to do is Grog/Harold, then yeah, your gear supports your playstyle choice so you can afford to get a bit of everything from your COM (I prefer the legendary Gunzerker for that though)
but the Hoarder allows you to play a completely different style, and the Titan gives you just about everything the Berserker gives you, and then some. (the Titan COM brings as much DPS as the berserker, maybe even more so)
I will grant you that it is the most versatile, but I disagree on it being the best: it makes you a bit better at everything...but it doesn't allow you to do anything more or anything different
As for Diablo 2
I played the Barbarian too :)
I liked frenzy, but Berserk was my thing.
I think I played as much Borderlands 2 as I have played Diablo 2 now, but I would need to be able to count :P
I played a lot of borderlands 2, but nothing close to Diablo 2 haha, my god, knew that game inside out. You definitely know more about Borderlands 2 then I do though. Maybe the Berserker com simply suits my playstyle for Sal most as I'm addicted to speed and it gives so much fire rate, reload speed, weapon swap speed and movement speed. So yeah. I actually don't use the grog in any of my builds on principle though, feels dirty. (kinda like how I tried to shy away from enigma :P) edit: Or hammerdin for that matter, talk about op character
I need to show this to one dude from my Destiny clan
Mis respetos señores.
I just use the bee shield and infinity ammo pistols with fire damage and two practical conference calls
and the sheriffs badge and magic missile grenades...
All you hear are enemies screaming about being on fire 🤣
Grog nozzle is awesome
Like number 667. Haha take that satan. Im pretty much doomguy.
😂😂😂
I was thinking about using duel infinity pistol with fire rate boosts so I can fire a decent weopon basically 300% faster
“Unless youre dualwielding choppers” well now im gonna to dualwield choppers, screw you chuck ;)
Is that Salvador the movie?
It's just occurred to me that I have 400+ hours in this game and I have only played sal for like an hour.
nikanA reklawykS, mine is level 9 :'(
nikanA reklawykS I have like 300-350+ and I've played sal for like 6-7 hours
nikanA reklawykS I have 1000 hours in just krieg
Angelo Beaupit That's pretty cool, but mine so far is 19 since I went from xbox and never played him before. I can barely play him
Goat Bot krieg?
He seems to have alot of skills that other character could make better use of
This video could be named "100 ways to not directly say Salvador is broken and completly umbalanced"
your good at youtube like your videos
I don't know if it still applies but on the monk mods Lazy Data did a video and showed that the critical damage is only additive and didn't make much of a difference so because of that I go for chaotic good or true neutral monk personally
and now I guess also a lawful good monk for deputy sal
The crit damage from the Monk COM is additive (type A) so it doesn't add much if you already have a lot of type A crit bonus (like if you're using a lady fist) but the grog nozzle is a multiplicative crit bonus, so it triples any bonus from an evil monk COM.
Trust me, it's totally worth it.
Well i guess that i'm glad that you or derch had replied so I guess I'll try to farm a higher level chaoic evil but I do still do have a op1 chaotic evil monk with 31% Fire rate but i don't remember the crit value
GamingInteriorHD the difference between OP1 and OP8 on these is minimal... maybe 2-3% ?
don't bother and use your OP1 :)
So speaking about the lead storm build with the left hand being useless would the hail have any potential as a good off hand for healing plus the bullet trajectory is similar
The hail you aim below what you want to hit, the leadstorm you aim above what you want to hit
Derch shame that would have been an actually interesting combination
There is a point where the 2 guns arc converge, but it's too hard to get consistently IMO.
The Hail does work with the Sawbar however
Chuck80 would that be something that could potentially work for large bosses like terra or crawmerax
Oh, definitely :)
Go to 1:56:19
Another thing about the Grog is that it gets full bonus from amps, like the Bee, which means that it can still be viable by itself
Update: 3 years ago me was kind of an idiot. Please ignore him.
@DeputyChuck hey i am currently leveling a sal. I'm halfway through tvhm and I'm working towards a deputy build. I am using the orphan maker + grog and i am curious if i should off hand the grog for healing (and apparently crit dmg if I understood it right) or off hand the orphan maker to get the full moneyshot bonus. I have no idea if anyone will see this comment but I would like to get a reply lol.
Orphan Maker left, Grog Nozzle right. You don't lose the healing or crit bonus by main-handing the Grog, and off-handing the Orphan Maker prevents the self damage.
Cookie please!
Great video.
The Devestator COM is good for Tediore chucking, especially in a team.
That's true, I forgot to mention that. Good catch
Though the War Dog is nearly as good and the Hoarder is slightly better because of the ammo regen, even in a team..
Are we gonna get videos like these for the BL3 characters once the DLCs are complete?
Is a Citrine Quad a viable replacement of the Orphan Maker? Usually use the Quad in my right hand and Grog/Lady in my off hand. GN and LF together gives +2,400% crit damage...
It or the coach gun are on the list of subs for the deputy sal build, neither are as good but both are still effective
I know this is a Salvador video but is Kreig's overkill applied the same as NKLOK, the lower the enemies max health the better
No. It's calculated exactly.
All I need is one is pretty great for sniper rifles, but I'm guessing after 6 years you know that now. :P
Could I use Fabled Tortoise with a Raider Com to create a pseudo Rough Rider and get the movement speed from Fabled and proc All Out of Bubblegum?
+CaminoalAlba yes
Thanks. One last thing, if the Raider COM penalty it's superior to the shield capacity, will the shield deplete (capacity 0) or the game will recognize it as having no shield?
You'll get the movement speed and inconceivable but not OoBG.
Same reason as with the Rough rider: game sees negative shield capacity as having no shield, so your shield is not considered "depleted" for the purpose of OoBG, sorry.
Oh, I see. I've just finished TVHM with Sal, and I'm planning to start UVHM soon. Will you take a look at my build and tell me if there's something I should change? bl2skills.com/gunzerker.html#550001501005005500515011000000000 I'm using a Conference Call and a Hyperion Thinking Shock and Slag, a Hyperion Vision and a Lady Fist also Shock and Slag, an Adaptible Shield, Quasar, Leg Berserker and a Hyperion Alliance Relic for damage and reload speed.
You're gonna have a bit of a hard time with survival since you have no major investment in Brawn nor a Moxxi weapon. Even an underleveled Slag rubi or slag Kitten would be a great addition.
Otherwise, try to find one point to move to keep firing :) and move the points from I'm ready already to All in the reflex: Cooldown bonuses don't apply to the cooldown Get some gives you, so those points are wasted.
The rest seems perfect
Edit: Oh and, find a point for FttB since your COM boosts it
Derch I am a huge fan are you going to do videos in boderlands 3
shoulda brought the ogre for the ar part that things pretty nice imo and off meta for sal i think
Edit: they talked about the ogre right after i typed this LOL
Just wanted to point out that it says "Gunserker" in the description instead of "Gunzerker"
Thanks, fixed
Why did he go for a bandit grip on all of his lady fists? Just for the slightly larger magazine size?
Hyperion grip reduces damage. The bandit grip gives you the highest possible magazine size with a slight penalty to reload speed which makes it the highest dps grip on Hyperion pistols and SMGs.
@@HenryMyth DPS on the Lady Fist is a bit pointless. Its main use it to provide the crit bonus and to slag. If anything, the Vladof or Maliwan grip would be better choices.
Didnt Joltz make a flakker build where he uses All U need is One?
He did, but it's a very specific build and AINI1 isn't that important to it anyway.
Using that Pimp + RL thing, in theory would I be able to use a low level Pimp if the RL was high level?
Yes, the level of the Pimp doesn't matter. I used a level 50 one through all of UVHM
When you gonna do Wilhelm guide?
+Henri Nieminen not sure what order on the rest