Even given the very dark topic at hand, it so very warms my heart to see these 2 wonderful men together. Both my heroes. Both two men I respect maybe more than any other public figures in this world. The day one or both of these men pass is a day my heart mourns. A day this world experiences a loss it has yet to know.
I read People’s History Of America, Zinn led me to Ellsberg and Chomsky. These are two of the most fascinating and intelligent people alive in my opinion. Unfortunately Zinn is no longer with us. Zinn said in the documentary about Ellsberg that he thinks it disappointed Ellsberg that people may have not cared as much as he thought they would. But I care and whenever I have a chance to talk about him with people I do. Thanks Intercept.
Brock Venture It is hard to admit that we USA have taken polite discourse and thrown it out, we need more than one Professor Chomsky. We need more than one Howrd Zinn, etc. The true problem is that Americans tend to assassinate our hero's. These Men and Womon have to be very careful and we, as American's must be willing to surround them with Secret Service and the like at a cost you simply would not believe. The people this country Loves so much are that much in danger. Fortunately, the people that are considered to be irreplaceable (American Treasure's) are not going to run into much in the way of trouble. Though you can imagine how tiresome it is to be without a natural freedom. Though, we can not loose another Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy. JFK ...and what Living color call's cults of personality. Howard Zinn is the purvaor of the idea that LOVE IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF INTELLIGENCE. Sometimes I get the feeling that we live in a moronic country and other times I am so proud of this country that I feel like I am, also, an American.
@@richardloostburg2637 What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. You cant hate “America”, as it’s a huge and complicated country. Chomsky cares more about the people within it and has done more for them than you probably ever will. Exactly the same with Zinn. He fought and fought for civil rights, one of the first white professors at an all black college, among other things, and all you are doing is spreading uneducated drivel on youtube. Educate yourself before you speak publicly.
I just finished Ellsberg's book The Doomsday Machine and it is one of the best books I've ever read. I thought I knew all this stuff already but he filled in details that I was never aware of. If our civilization survives it will be because of people like Ellsberg and Chomsky.
It was a truly superb book for sure. To look at it all from that perspective was an excellent spin over what we have become used to, especially compared to a lot of the more standard historical records of the nuclear arsenals.
@@anagramconfirmed1717 If you think there is something written about Chomsky that contradicts something I said then by all means post a link to it and I will read it. But just posting a comment like that is meaningless. It's the equivalent of a childish insult. I do admire Chomsky but I don't idolize him or anyone. In fact, the last thing Chomsky would want is for anyone to idolize him. When I took a class from him we had communicated via several emails for a couple years before so he had some idea who I was. When I went up after the first class to introduce myself he looked me in the eye and said "I expect some hard questions from you!" That's what a good scientist is. They want people to try and poke holes in their ideas because that is what makes our ideas stronger. Having someone fawn over you and tell you how great you are doesn't make you a better scientist and no one who is truly a good scientist or scholar of any kind wants that.
Ellsberg is right to suggest that brilliance, intellect, talent, reason, even genius doesn't necessarily equate to right thinking, in fact these attributes without a strong moral foundation have more commonly been used for destructive purposes.
WOW, a strong moral foundation ! And who is the objective judge of it ? The agenda driven drivel spiting semi intellectual post modernistic bull crap advocates ?
Of course that's true. In fact, supreme levels of intellectual capacity have been tasked with serving unchecked state and corporate power throughout history. Since _right_ thinking varies depending on perspective(certainly elemental morality exists, but even that shifts over time) I cannot inform what _right_ is in this context.
Pipo Pipo , but we won't make it through the 21st century; humanity WILL END before the arrival of the 22nd century. especially with the rise of the extremely militant & barbaric dictators like Trump around the world.
@@jwalkin5123 its actually funny and yet so pathetic reading your fear mongering comment about how trump will ruin the worl,d. My friend, he is one of the few you should least fear and most root for. Yes we wont last long, Yes we are going to be taken out by barbaric and militant groups. But it will sure as hell no be him. Matter of fact, he will be lucky to survive to another election. Hopefully your ideals have changed and you can look back at this 6 year old comment and realize how ignorant you were typing that.
Chomsky will be remembered like Plato Hume Kant Frege Wittgenstein Quine Leibniz and more. Currently, he's even got worldwide favortism like the rest of those names. Chomsky will continue to spread truths until he's understood & followed. Yes, even more than now.
True Patriots sat on this panel. You have a duty to speak up when dark forces are colluding to fail the people they are obligated and elected to serve. These people are heroes I hope they inspire more bravery, bad things happen when good people say nothing.
Bad things happen to good people who do something, That's why most of our politicians don't have their head on a stick. people are to afraid for what will happen if they disobey. look at JFK MLK and Robert Kennedy all people who were arguably "Progressive" and tried to help make the world a better place for everyone and they paid for it with their lives. people aren't willing to make that sacrifice, they rather be apathetic and do nothing. that is why they will win and we will not. People don't want to risk what they've got. and when they finally have nothing to lose, it will be to late.
"in social sciences a class by yourself" (Ellsberg to Chomsky) I could not agree more. It's something that I think many of the people who like Chomsky don't quite appreciate, as amazing as his political work is his scientific/philosophic work is in some ways even more impressive. The whole field of evolutionary psychology (just to pick one of many possible examples) owes everything to Chomsky, it was his approach to Linguistics and Psychology in general that was the model for ev-psych.
I've always have had an inner feeling of a beast crawling inside me trying to break out that even horrifies myself. The things I had have been engaged and have thought of are a direct evidence of Prof. Chomsky's observations. Thank you for the rationality you've bravely provided the human kind.
It's really simple... God or Satan are not mythical external entities.. they are within... conscious vs unconscious... God vs Satan... Life vs Death.. Mind vs Heart.. It's all the same.. make a choice and live by that choice.. and know that all the consequences of your choice are yours regardless.. Principle of cause and effect... natural law.. etc.. So better keep that beast inside because when you release that beast the beast will devour you... As a collective we have unleashed the beast.. and it is slowly but surely devouring us.. which is reality of which the nuclear story is just a part..
If it is in fact an institutional problem, which I don't doubt (I respect both these men), just how are we to do anything substantial about it? It's a recipe for apathy... I don't want to give up on the world, but looking at our government in a sober manner, the pile of shit appears to be too high.
Man it is REALLY sad for me to admit this, but im a 37 year old man, who didnt learn of these folk ever. Ive only learned of them by researching things myself. People like snowden, Chomsky, Ellsburg, etc. They really wanna change the way history writes i fear. But I will learn as much as I can, and spread any knowledge I can to my youth. God bless us all in these times.
It's a shame Ellsberg lingered on so long on the reason/rationale point. I was really looking forward to Noam's response. I think he would have likely disagreed but could have perhaps sharpened Ellsbergs point and spelled it out clearer.
Great debate, very inspiring! These two guys serve as real examples of what truth seeking and whistle blowing looks like. What they provided to society and public has nothing to do to which political spectrum they sympathize or belong to.
The presenter says "nuccelar" several times at the start, and at 0:59 he almost says his colleagues "have demonstrated that even a nitwit" before he corrects himself and says "limited". Wasnt even joking, and everyone laughed. Its a savage world :D
read "Doomsday Machine" then give it to your Congressman to read. Then ask him if he voted for the DOD budget. Then ask him if he read the Budget Bill. Then ask him how often he has made a speech on the floor of Congress demanding disarmament or at least diplomacy before military drone strikes and when he says yes, no and no, to the above, ask him how he sleeps at night. And the go out and protest nuclear weapons and see what that can do.
LOl! I certainly did. But that's because my ex-Scottish boyfriend was actually named Jon Paul Joseph McMahon which he always thought was hysterically funny!
[Look at Noam thinking, 'why did I agree to this again?] It would be so wonderful - for the masses - if you'd dispense with all the introductions and let discussions begin. Ideas and information are so more important than what Noam did at 10. These introductions are great for our professional class - but turn off the working class and the rest of us. No working class individual is going to sit through 10-15 minutes of rub and touch - they'll just move on. Talk about manufacturing consent.... #yousowhite
Legendary panel but you waste all that time to gather 2 intellectual giants for 90mins in the same room without knowing (or worse knowing but not caring) what a decibel meter is. I shouldn't have to say I respect Scahill but I deeply disrespect what you're doing to the audio in your videos this is a proper criticism... Open the video in power director or literally any video editing app in the world then turn the audio UP TO ZERO before uploading to YT. Do NOT expect raw mics to record at 0 thats your job as the cameraman. OR open it in FL Studio, Ableton, Cubase, Logic, etc and better yet open any overdrive app within these sequencers then slightly tank the knob and run it under a limiter it takes 1-2 mins to fix audio this low.
Robert Cece i no comprende your technical advise, but you are exactly right. that this is challenging to hear insults these compelling and important speakers.
This is depressing, and oppressively so. Our species' treatment of the nuclear issue almost makes me buy into Freud's death drive theory. (As seems Chomsky 39:00.)
In regards to the recent missile installations in Poland, Lithuania and proposed for Romania. There is a considerable amount of acrimony between these nations and Russia but it does not rise to the level of war. They are happy to be out of the Soviet Union. They are not paying for these missile bases. They are poor and they are being bribed by the US to give purpose to NATO..Europe should initiate a nuclear-free zone.. This would cause the US and Russia to confront each other directly..
@Oners82 You mis-read... NATO has already build these bases in Poland and Lithuania and I believe they are a provocation aimed at starting the Cold War all over again. I think this is a mistake..
@Oners82 I was in Berlin in dec of 89.. I was very excited about the end of NATO. It didn't happen.. and the reunification of Germany.. I am against NATO and nuclear weapons..
A serious discussion about thermonuclear war, but I'm distracted by the shirt skirt and the bare legs. What did Freud call it? Thanatos? A drive towards suicide? Whatever can be true on an individual level can be true on a societal level.
depressing - "you cannot petition the Lord With Prayer", as Morrison said. Any analysis has to begin doggedly by recognizing this, how the military industrial complex in every country effectively rules this world. Americans disbelieve history exists, but EVERY president --- and Trump is no different --- and the military -- are the same more or less. All footmen, adjuncts, for our real boss, the natural resource and arms industries -- a sweeping label-- whose common object or goal is bargain extraction. BTW, for the boss they arrange whatever is necessary, Mad Man Theory, police actions, assassinations etc. The military industrial complex [Boss], as Eisenhower called it. Presidents are totally constrained by this Boss, not by millions o' importunin' emails letters and marchin' and protestin' pesky US voters, contrary to Chomsky's oddly optimistic exhortations. Trump understands ---- like every President -- that he has to respect and back and always satisfy the Boss [he did that by appointments and tax bill and expenditures]. To voters he serves up greasy smiles and tweets and sugar coated promises. Hail to MAGA! The only Empire President to ever step out of this grotesque Circus march to Armageddon was Gorbachev at Reykjavik. One time : Reykjavík. Why did Reagan quickly reject Gorbachev's heroic total disarmament proposal at Reykjavik, without any discussing with Congress and the voters, and without even trying, making no effort to advocate and push for it?? It was not because as claimed Reagan wanted to retain an unproven missile defense ["Star Wars" didnt worry the Russians] and/or because advisors, eg leading neocon Richard Perle, advised against it, as also claimed; the reason was Reagan knew the Proposal was not what our military industrial bosses want, and that was the ONLY question to a neocon like Reagan. Reagan --- like all Presidents including Trump knew that THEY WOULD NEVER approve. Query whether Russians knew SDI was not feasible at Reykjavik? If so, if Gorbachev was knew or was told that, then he should have therefore accepted Reagan's ridiculous SDI cavet. Regan's rejection of the Gorbachev Proposal was criminal [it is not a defense to a crime that you were 'ordered' to do the crime by some "boss"]. For any President To not pursue total DISARMAMENT is Criminal.
The moderators failed to manage this talk. They let Ellsberg run the whole show. He is younger and talkative and took over, depriving us all of hearing more of Chomsky's genius. Terrible job!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How come these tripdudes never in the 60's pedagoge stuff made noise about the French we backed in Vietnam were allies of the Japanese there in WW2, Vichy French?
Always the long boring introductions by at least 2 people before the talk ever happens, so slow and self important to introduce the people we actually want to listen to.
Even given the very dark topic at hand, it so very warms my heart to see these 2 wonderful men together. Both my heroes. Both two men I respect maybe more than any other public figures in this world.
The day one or both of these men pass is a day my heart mourns. A day this world experiences a loss it has yet to know.
I read People’s History Of America, Zinn led me to Ellsberg and Chomsky. These are two of the most fascinating and intelligent people alive in my opinion. Unfortunately Zinn is no longer with us. Zinn said in the documentary about Ellsberg that he thinks it disappointed Ellsberg that people may have not cared as much as he thought they would. But I care and whenever I have a chance to talk about him with people I do. Thanks Intercept.
Brock Venture It is hard to admit that we USA have taken polite discourse and thrown it out, we need more than one Professor Chomsky. We need more than one Howrd Zinn, etc.
The true problem is that Americans tend to assassinate our hero's. These Men and Womon have to be very careful and we, as American's must be willing to surround them with Secret Service and the like at a cost you simply would not believe. The people this country Loves so much are that much in danger. Fortunately, the people that are considered to be irreplaceable (American Treasure's) are not going to run into much
in the way of trouble. Though you can imagine how tiresome it is to be without a natural freedom. Though, we can not loose another Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy. JFK ...and what Living color call's cults of personality. Howard Zinn is the purvaor of the idea that LOVE IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF INTELLIGENCE.
Sometimes I get the feeling that we live in a moronic country and other times I am so proud of this country that I feel like I am, also, an American.
@@namehear-say4279 I like that, "LOVE IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF INTELLIGENCE."
Oh please. Howard Zinn was a communist and Chomsky hates America.
@@richardloostburg2637 1, both wrong. 2, neither is an argument against having either position.
@@richardloostburg2637 What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. You cant hate “America”, as it’s a huge and complicated country. Chomsky cares more about the people within it and has done more for them than you probably ever will. Exactly the same with Zinn. He fought and fought for civil rights, one of the first white professors at an all black college, among other things, and all you are doing is spreading uneducated drivel on youtube. Educate yourself before you speak publicly.
I just finished Ellsberg's book The Doomsday Machine and it is one of the best books I've ever read. I thought I knew all this stuff already but he filled in details that I was never aware of. If our civilization survives it will be because of people like Ellsberg and Chomsky.
I would not deny a cultural impact by the work of both of these men. I do not see that their work has materially changed the situation in the least.
It was a truly superb book for sure. To look at it all from that perspective was an excellent spin over what we have become used to, especially compared to a lot of the more standard historical records of the nuclear arsenals.
Yooouuuu need to do a little more reading about your idol Chomsky.
@@anagramconfirmed1717 If you think there is something written about Chomsky that contradicts something I said then by all means post a link to it and I will read it. But just posting a comment like that is meaningless. It's the equivalent of a childish insult. I do admire Chomsky but I don't idolize him or anyone. In fact, the last thing Chomsky would want is for anyone to idolize him. When I took a class from him we had communicated via several emails for a couple years before so he had some idea who I was. When I went up after the first class to introduce myself he looked me in the eye and said "I expect some hard questions from you!" That's what a good scientist is. They want people to try and poke holes in their ideas because that is what makes our ideas stronger. Having someone fawn over you and tell you how great you are doesn't make you a better scientist and no one who is truly a good scientist or scholar of any kind wants that.
@@michaeldebellis4202 Very well said.
Ellsberg is right to suggest that brilliance, intellect, talent, reason, even genius doesn't necessarily equate to right thinking, in fact these attributes without a strong moral foundation have more commonly been used for destructive purposes.
WOW, a strong moral foundation !
And who is the objective judge of it ?
The agenda driven drivel spiting semi intellectual post modernistic bull crap advocates ?
And, he should and does KNOW!
I figured you would need reason in the equation of right thinking?
Of course that's true. In fact, supreme levels of intellectual capacity have been tasked with serving unchecked state and corporate power throughout history.
Since _right_ thinking varies depending on perspective(certainly elemental morality exists, but even that shifts over time) I cannot inform what _right_ is in this context.
Leaving class early to watch this. Thank you intercept.
SERIDI Ahmed Yahia Tell your professor you left to actually learn something.
Noam Chomsky, maybe the greatest intellect of our times! If we made it through this century, he will be remembered for a very long time!
Pipo Pipo, he’s alive, you will remember him for a long time
I mean people will remember him for hundreds of years or even longer. If we don't end civilization. If so everything will be forgotten;-)
Pipo Pipo , but we won't make it through the 21st century; humanity WILL END before the arrival of the 22nd century. especially with the rise of the extremely militant & barbaric dictators like Trump around the world.
True that! I'm introducing my coming generations to his works for sure.
@@jwalkin5123 its actually funny and yet so pathetic reading your fear mongering comment about how trump will ruin the worl,d. My friend, he is one of the few you should least fear and most root for. Yes we wont last long, Yes we are going to be taken out by barbaric and militant groups. But it will sure as hell no be him. Matter of fact, he will be lucky to survive to another election. Hopefully your ideals have changed and you can look back at this 6 year old comment and realize how ignorant you were typing that.
At 14:05 starts the actual discussion
OMG thank you!
Thanks man
Thanks!
Gregory Decker Harsh man, harsh lol. Idk who she is but I usually reserve that only for Huckabee Sanders and Nikki Haley. I hope its warranted.
gregory decker, put a civil tongue in your head.
Chomsky.... what a man
The bravery of all the panel is astonishing
the man was ready to go to jail for the rest of his life to let the citizens of the us know what their government was doing
Chomsky will be remembered like
Plato
Hume
Kant
Frege
Wittgenstein
Quine
Leibniz
and more. Currently, he's even got worldwide favortism like the rest of those names.
Chomsky will continue to spread truths until he's understood & followed. Yes, even more than now.
The top two who mankind will need them to live for much longer, for the honesty and wisdom.
Thanks for sharing this interview!
I could watch Ellsberg ramble for hours, wish this was much longer.
True Patriots sat on this panel. You have a duty to speak up when dark forces are colluding to fail the people they are obligated and elected to serve. These people are heroes I hope they inspire more bravery, bad things happen when good people say nothing.
Bad things happen to good people who do something, That's why most of our politicians don't have their head on a stick. people are to afraid for what will happen if they disobey. look at JFK MLK and Robert Kennedy all people who were arguably "Progressive" and tried to help make the world a better place for everyone and they paid for it with their lives. people aren't willing to make that sacrifice, they rather be apathetic and do nothing. that is why they will win and we will not. People don't want to risk what they've got. and when they finally have nothing to lose, it will be to late.
Wow... what a panel.
"in social sciences a class by yourself" (Ellsberg to Chomsky) I could not agree more. It's something that I think many of the people who like Chomsky don't quite appreciate, as amazing as his political work is his scientific/philosophic work is in some ways even more impressive. The whole field of evolutionary psychology (just to pick one of many possible examples) owes everything to Chomsky, it was his approach to Linguistics and Psychology in general that was the model for ev-psych.
I've always have had an inner feeling of a beast crawling inside me trying to break out that even horrifies myself. The things I had have been engaged and have thought of are a direct evidence of Prof. Chomsky's observations. Thank you for the rationality you've bravely provided the human kind.
It's really simple... God or Satan are not mythical external entities.. they are within... conscious vs unconscious... God vs Satan... Life vs Death.. Mind vs Heart.. It's all the same.. make a choice and live by that choice.. and know that all the consequences of your choice are yours regardless.. Principle of cause and effect... natural law.. etc..
So better keep that beast inside because when you release that beast the beast will devour you... As a collective we have unleashed the beast.. and it is slowly but surely devouring us.. which is reality of which the nuclear story is just a part..
The way Professor Ellsberg is listening to the host, his body posture completely turned towards the man, like an eager child wanting to learn
"Nuclear war planning"---the ultimate contradiction in terms.
They were planning for Nuclear war, What else would you call it?
If it is in fact an institutional problem, which I don't doubt (I respect both these men), just how are we to do anything substantial about it? It's a recipe for apathy... I don't want to give up on the world, but looking at our government in a sober manner, the pile of shit appears to be too high.
Ellsberg allowed his excitement of speaking aside Chomsky lead him to a monologue rather than a dialogue.
Man it is REALLY sad for me to admit this, but im a 37 year old man, who didnt learn of these folk ever. Ive only learned of them by researching things myself. People like snowden, Chomsky, Ellsburg, etc. They really wanna change the way history writes i fear. But I will learn as much as I can, and spread any knowledge I can to my youth. God bless us all in these times.
It’s fascinating to see how we can calmly discuss the high probability of the end of our civilization-due to our “technical success”...
It's a shame Ellsberg lingered on so long on the reason/rationale point. I was really looking forward to Noam's response. I think he would have likely disagreed but could have perhaps sharpened Ellsbergs point and spelled it out clearer.
encore! :-D. We want more! :-D
Chomsky ❤️❤️❤️
Uncle Chommers is a fine thinker but he didn't write Manufacturing Consent - he co-wrote it with Edward Herman.
CrossingThe Rubicon Ol' Eddy gets left out a lot
Daniel Ellsberg and Noam Chomsky, two of the very best examples of our species
Among the very few true Homo SAPIENS…
I've watched several of these Ellsberg videos I wonder if he knows about how close we came to nuking ourselves in the Damascus, Arkansas incident?
Links?
Not only American heroes, heroes of humanity
2018 and no one can get a decent sound and volume on TH-cam. Getting old
John Ryan i bought a bose blue tooth speaker..its worth it
John Ryan its you tube saboteurs
Great debate, very inspiring! These two guys serve as real examples of what truth seeking and whistle blowing looks like. What they provided to society and public has nothing to do to which political spectrum they sympathize or belong to.
The presenter says "nuccelar" several times at the start, and at 0:59 he almost says his colleagues "have demonstrated that even a nitwit" before he corrects himself and says "limited". Wasnt even joking, and everyone laughed. Its a savage world :D
Thank you, TH-cam, for this incredibly important interview of these two dynamic statesmen bridging the 20th and 21st Centuries!
read "Doomsday Machine" then give it to your Congressman to read. Then ask him if he voted for the DOD budget. Then ask him if he read the Budget Bill. Then ask him how often he has made a speech on the floor of Congress demanding disarmament or at least diplomacy before military drone strikes and when he says yes, no and no, to the above, ask him how he sleeps at night. And the go out and protest nuclear weapons and see what that can do.
Both are my HEROES 👏👏👏👏👏👏
noam is my hero
Nobody in these comments noticed that one of them is named Jon Paul Jones...
LOl! I certainly did. But that's because my ex-Scottish boyfriend was actually named Jon Paul Joseph McMahon which he always thought was hysterically funny!
1:24:58
Giants among us.
I wonder if they could use ground scanning equipment to find that box of papers now. i'm sure it's still there somewhere
Be positive !
A nuclear winter will offset the human made global warming .
1:09:00 This just happened recently to a lesser extent
Dan is a great narrative speaker.
They ignored the effect of the fires because they didn't want to consider the consequences and outcome not because of complexity
[Look at Noam thinking, 'why did I agree to this again?] It would be so wonderful - for the masses - if you'd dispense with all the introductions and let discussions begin. Ideas and information are so more important than what Noam did at 10. These introductions are great for our professional class - but turn off the working class and the rest of us. No working class individual is going to sit through 10-15 minutes of rub and touch - they'll just move on. Talk about manufacturing consent.... #yousowhite
Intolerable, indeed.
A gift to the world
9:00 pm, bedtime for Noam and Danny at the retirement home. Crawl under the covers with your hot water bottle and binky.
there is something huge going on right now. Something very huge compare to last 3 centuries.
Yeah, it’s called my dick
15:00 los alamos
Every nuclear reactor is a doomsday machine.
thats false so I have to wonder why you say that.
Legendary panel but you waste all that time to gather 2 intellectual giants for 90mins in the same room without knowing (or worse knowing but not caring) what a decibel meter is. I shouldn't have to say I respect Scahill but I deeply disrespect what you're doing to the audio in your videos this is a proper criticism... Open the video in power director or literally any video editing app in the world then turn the audio UP TO ZERO before uploading to YT. Do NOT expect raw mics to record at 0 thats your job as the cameraman. OR open it in FL Studio, Ableton, Cubase, Logic, etc and better yet open any overdrive app within these sequencers then slightly tank the knob and run it under a limiter it takes 1-2 mins to fix audio this low.
Robert Cece i no comprende your technical advise, but you are exactly right. that this is challenging to hear insults these compelling and important speakers.
name of the book?
they are discussing !!!
ADEEE PUNK it’s Elsberg’s new book
Can't hear it.
This is depressing, and oppressively so.
Our species' treatment of the nuclear issue almost makes me buy into Freud's death drive theory. (As seems Chomsky 39:00.)
24:10 dangers of the dead drops
She stopped Daniel Ellsberg at the worst fucking moment.
Everything starts at 20min
1:07 Eve took a gamble.
Powerful.
Does Daniel think that divine intervention might happen?
Game over lads, get building the bunker, no hope!
Why do so many people pronounce it new kew lar? It’s just as east to say new klee ar.
Be grateful for the shibboleth that reveals who they hear and associate with on a daily basis.
Tomato tomato
You'll notice that Chomsky and Zinn didn't appear in that awful film The Paper
Anyone who was an enemy of Nixon is a friend of mine.
In regards to the recent missile installations in Poland, Lithuania and proposed for Romania. There is
a considerable amount of acrimony between these nations and Russia but it does not rise to the level of war. They are happy to be out of the Soviet Union. They are not paying for these missile bases. They are poor and they are being bribed by the US to give purpose to NATO..Europe should initiate a nuclear-free zone.. This would cause the US and Russia to confront each other directly..
@Oners82 You mis-read... NATO has already build these bases in Poland and Lithuania and I believe they are a provocation aimed at starting the Cold War all over again. I think this is a mistake..
@Oners82 I was critical of the actions that the US has already taken.. I do not support NATO or nuclear weapons..
@Oners82 I was in Berlin in dec of 89.. I was very excited about the end of NATO. It didn't happen.. and the reunification of Germany.. I am against NATO and nuclear weapons..
@Oners82 Oh, you are flaming me.. have a nice day.
We are most loathsome, detestable species to have ever existed.
isa lei Super-subjective statement.
isa Lei, some of us! not all of us.
yo mama
No, you are a pathetic loser.
A serious discussion about thermonuclear war, but I'm distracted by the shirt skirt and the bare legs. What did Freud call it? Thanatos? A drive towards suicide? Whatever can be true on an individual level can be true on a societal level.
depressing - "you cannot petition the Lord With Prayer", as Morrison said.
Any analysis has to begin doggedly by recognizing this, how the military industrial complex in every country effectively rules this world. Americans disbelieve history exists, but EVERY president --- and Trump is no different --- and the military -- are the same more or less. All footmen, adjuncts, for our real boss, the natural resource and arms industries -- a sweeping label-- whose common object or goal is bargain extraction.
BTW, for the boss they arrange whatever is necessary, Mad Man Theory, police actions, assassinations etc. The military industrial complex [Boss], as Eisenhower called it. Presidents are totally constrained by this Boss, not by millions o' importunin' emails letters and marchin' and protestin' pesky US voters, contrary to Chomsky's oddly optimistic exhortations.
Trump understands ---- like every President -- that he has to respect and back and always satisfy the Boss [he did that by appointments and tax bill and expenditures]. To voters he serves up greasy smiles and tweets and sugar coated promises. Hail to MAGA!
The only Empire President to ever step out of this grotesque Circus march to Armageddon was Gorbachev at Reykjavik. One time : Reykjavík.
Why did Reagan quickly reject Gorbachev's heroic total disarmament proposal at Reykjavik, without any discussing with Congress and the voters, and without even trying, making no effort to advocate and push for it??
It was not because as claimed Reagan wanted to retain an unproven missile defense ["Star Wars" didnt worry the Russians] and/or because advisors, eg leading neocon Richard Perle, advised against it, as also claimed; the reason was Reagan knew the Proposal was not what our military industrial bosses want, and that was the ONLY question to a neocon like Reagan. Reagan --- like all Presidents including Trump knew that THEY WOULD NEVER approve.
Query whether Russians knew SDI was not feasible at Reykjavik? If so, if Gorbachev was knew or was told that, then he should have therefore accepted Reagan's ridiculous SDI cavet.
Regan's rejection of the Gorbachev Proposal was criminal [it is not a defense to a crime that you were 'ordered' to do the crime by some "boss"].
For any President To not pursue total DISARMAMENT is Criminal.
The moderators failed to manage this talk. They let Ellsberg run the whole show. He is younger and talkative and took over, depriving us all of hearing more of Chomsky's genius. Terrible job!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Abby Martin on Joe Rogan...now this? It's gonna be a good evening!
I could barely hear the discussion. The hostess has nice legs though. I considered pausing it at one point. Thanks for that.
legs!
How come these tripdudes never in the 60's pedagoge stuff made noise about the French we backed in Vietnam were allies of the Japanese there in WW2, Vichy French?
The DEAN of the COLLEGE says :"Nuke-you-lar"??? In front of Prof of Linguistics. "New-Clear", dear boy. SOMEONE tell him!
Snesley Wipes Squeegee, amen. correct is not everything, but it matters, especially from a professional.
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English is a strange language.
Chomsky himself (elsewhere) says that standardized language is wrong and as long as you understand someone it's correct
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Nuclear bombs if detonated would burn the earth's atmosphere and then we all would die without the atmosphere.
WE are still here after 2400 nuclear explosions !
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests
you are a lunatic and a fear monger !
.......And I also play base for Led Zeppelin.
I wish commentators would never seek to close. Time and great thoughts are stolen in doing so...
Always the long boring introductions by at least 2 people before the talk ever happens, so slow and self important to introduce the people we actually want to listen to.
Old men.....old memories.....both sounded like Joe Biden but with a brain
The Intercept did a fine job in hosting this discussion between these two towering figures in American political life.
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This is way too political.
Why do intelligent, well educated persons still pronounce Nuclear as nucular??????????
Yeah now we will all see what nuclear war looks like, Biden is crazy enough to enter Ukraine,we will all die
Ellsburg is the most annoying speaker. He doesn't know whether to shit or get off the pot. I want my money back.
the superannuated mr, ellsberg has a bit of the windbag in him.
You've brought nothing to the discussion with this comment.
I am half way through this and am totally bored...