Thunderbolt 3 ports look exactly the same as USB-C ports, and indeed, the connector is physically the same from a plug-in perspective. In many cases, they can do everything that a USB-C port can, except much faster I explain it in 10 sec.
you explained it wrong tho. thunderbolt 3 is a hardware interface while usb-c is just a connector type, it just happens that thunderbolt 3 uses usb-c connector.
Why even this year there are no phone chargers which says USB 4.0 on it ? We still only see old slower USB 3.0 ones :( Are the phones with 65w fast charging ?
USB C Port on a computer is like a train tunnel. The other end of the tunnel accepts certain trains. USB c tunnels that accept thunderbolt trains can take advantage of faster train models (Thunderbolt 3), that can haul cargo (data) up to 10 times faster than USB C trains, while other USB C tunnels accept only slower USB C trains.
Ok. Simply put, USB-C and Thunderbolt use the same connector, the USB-C. It's what's the circuitry inside the computer that the cable is plugged in to that's different. Think of it like buying a new car. You can get the same car with a standard engine, let's say a 4 cylinder, with the high performance option being a V-8. It gives you more speed and power. Same car, different engine. USB-C is the car. Thunderbolt is the high performance engine, USB (using the USB-C connector) is the standard engine. Not sure if that's a good analogy, but I tried. :). It took me until the last 30 seconds to understand what she was talking about. It sounded informative, but ultimately confusing. :)
That tells me nothing other than Thunderbolt being faster. The most important piece of information would have been to tell us what happens when you put a USB C peripheral in a Thunderbolt port and vice versa. So I’m none the wiser
Thunderbolt devices will generally not work with USB-C ports but USB-C devices will generally work with Thunderbolt ports. As a rule of thumb, if a device is made with Thunderbolt support instead of USB-C support, it will likely need the extra bandwidth provided by Thunderbolt. For example, a Dell WD19TB Thunderbolt dock will connect to a USB-C port but will be limited in capabilities (No dual 4K displays). An external graphics card will not work with a USB-C port device as it absolutely needs the extra bandwidth. USB-C peripherals can be plugged into a Thunderbolt 3/4 port and work without issue. I can plug a USB-C to VGA port into my laptops Thunderbolt port and it works. I can also transfer data and charge my phone using my laptops Thunderbolt port without a hiccup.
@@YoungBlaze That's correct. Most M.2 drives can only read & write data around 3Gbps maximum though so I don't believe there would be too much of a speed difference between USB-C 10 GBPS and Thunderbolt's 40 GBPS
When one has to read the comment section to understand what the video claims to explain. And every good comment takes less time to read than watch the video.
Before Type-c we had 10 different USB connectors... Now we have 11 ! And the new one adds even more confusion since it can be found on both USB and Thunderbolt devices... GREAT ENGINEERING !
well you can plug in type-c either way which is a massive improvement imo. if any of the connectors should become mainstream, its this one. however the problem is not the connector itself anymore, its the cords since they are different from each other.
Intel 11th Gen CPU's have Thunderbolt controllers built into the CPU. This leads to a HUGE difference in EGPU performance as the EGPU doesn't need to go through a thunderbolt controller to reach the CPU resulting in less latency.
Usb-c is like the concept of having vehicles drive on a road. That road can be bumpy and therefore the vehicle may, also because of the bumpyness, not be able to drive that fast. Thunderbolt 3 is the utilizing the concept of a road and makes it as fast as they possibly can by offering as flat of a road as possible so you can drive it with as fast of a car as possible. Im not a teacher but maybe this clears it up a little.
I’m reasonably smart, I’m the guy who learns all the new technology out to help explain it to everyone around me and help bring them up to speed. Your video left me lost, confused and I didn’t even understand what you were trying to explain
@4:35 "USB-C is just a connector whereas Thunderbolt-3 is just a hardware interface..." That's like saying 'a saloon car is just a vehicle, whereas a hatcback is a person conveying vehicle'. Their both cars, just like USB-C and Thunderbolt-3 are both hardware connectors. In fact, Thunderbolt-3 is USB-C, but USB-C is not necessarily Thunderbolt-3.
Okay @Gamescan, pay attention, *this* is an example of how you should explain things: "Thunderbolt 3 has XXX advantages over Type C, that's what makes them different. " See how fast and easy to understand that is? It should be possible to explain it in less that one minute.
Let's see if I can make things really confusing, just for fun. USB (all of the early protocols up to version 3) has three lines plus one for ground. This why previous USB on portable devices could charge batteries, or have analog audio and video... but not both. Thunderbolt has a long history, beginning with an invention from Apple called Firewire. This protocol was packeted at the data level, which means several speeds could be accommodated at the same time. USB is not packeted and cannot support multiple speeds at the same instantaneous moment, like Firewire. This is why, when multiple speed products are connected to the same USB interface, the slowest one commands that specific, for that particular time hack. Back to Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt has most of the same protocols as FireWire, but used different type connectors. In fact Thunderbolt was originally invented as an optical cable protocol (which we don't see in the public yet). Copper Thunderbolt is what consumers see right now, but is thought to be partially optical in Apple computers today, as part of the system buss. The original Thunderbolt copper chipsets were produced at Texas Instruments. Nobody is clear what happened after that. One thing is quite clear though. FireWire could use up to 16-lines in the cables. Thunderbolt begins at 22-lines, Thunderbolt-3 uses 28-lines, and Thunderbolt-4 can use up to twice that many lines. Guess how many lines can be accomodated in a USB-C connector? 28 lines. Hence Thunderbolt-3 uses the USB-C connector,, at Apple (and lately other places). Thunderbolt-3 can move the contents of a double-sided DVD in less than 4-seconds. Faster than any other public protocol in any consumer interface on Earth. This is fast enough for a computer interface databuss. USB-3 connectors are used because they are very slim and allow for slimmer iPhones . I hope I have ruined everybody's day...
This could all have been said in one minute, more clearly. Serious practical questions are not answered: eg what happens if you plug usb 3.x technology into a thunderbolt tech port and vice versa?
*All THUNDERBOLT 3 is 40gb/s with a MUST HAVE thunderbolt on the wire.. *USB-C 3.1 (GEN 2) is 10gb/s.. *USB-C 3.1 (GEN 1) is 5g/s.. that's all you need to know!!
TB3 is a dream with a quality TB3 Audio Interface for recording. Negligible latency. And MANY simultaneous channels recording! No hassles. It is altogether a much better system.
TB 3 40gbs makes external NVMe drives. At fast data transfer in both read and write..As they have two lanes...Why they will be the standard interface in all devices.
Sorry, but it seems that you didn’t research this topic enough to clarify the title of the video. USB C is just a connector. Computers equipped with TB 3 controllers use an USB C port to connect to a TB 3 cable to communicate with TB 3 peripherals. TB 3 controllers are compatible with USB 3.1 and will communicate with any USB 3.1 or less peripheral through USB 3.1 , 3.0 or 2.0 cable (equipped with USB C male connector) On the other hand USB 3.1 controllers are not compatible with any TB peripherals, as they use incompatible cables and the flow of data is different all together. Older generations of thunderbolt used the same interface as monitor output connector namely Mini DisplayPort. You could both connect displays and peripherals to the same connector on a thunderbolt compatible computer with a thunderbolt cable. A non thunderbolt equipped computer could still be shipped with a Mini DisplayPort connector to control a monitor but would not be able to connect to TB peripherals. Therefore, if your laptop didn’t ship with thunderbolt, you cannot connect to a thunderbolt peripheral.
We need a follow up video. I still have a thunderbolt 3 expansion card for an older PC, that I never use, but would like to know about the 'ins and outs', of Thunderbolt 3 vs Thunderbolt 4, and how backwards compatibility plays a role.
It didn't confuse me since pretty much all information was right. But after watching it a second time I understand why it confused some people. The explanation is a bit wacky.
A big omission for me in this video is the question of cross-compatibility...what would happen if I mistakenly plug one into the other...what would go wrong?
TLDR. USB and Thunderbolt are like different languages. The generations are like the big change in the type of device people communicate with. So at first morse code, then texting on a number pad, keyboard on phones, then a phone call would be equivalent to the shape of the connector you get on the cable. They developed different so the speed they can talk to a device that speaks their language changes but sometimes like this generation theyre speaking a different language but are using the same device to speak, just one is a super slow version vs thunderbolts shinny fast version. think like sending an email in english and french, one is using dail up the other is using fibre broadband, both are using google mail, just at different speeds. In some other generations its like trying to send an email as a text message (when you have different looking connectors on the cable). If theyre both using the same connector they may not be on the same speed but they arent even speaking the same language. Only if a translation has been done can they talk to each other.
A couple of times you stated that USB C is only backwards compatible to USB 2.0, but I thought it would still work with USB 1.1 (which AFAIK is still commonly used for cheap low speed devices like mice and keyboards).
where can you even find a USB 1.1 device that uses a USB-C connector? I haven't seen a USB device that's using USB 1.1 that also uses USB-C type connector. Every USB 1 device I know uses the old USB-A connector. Even the devices that uses USB type C port is automatically understood that it uses at least USB 2.0. Old phones from 2015 that has USB type-C port is using USB 2.0
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This was good, but the most important thing was not covered: how can I discern the two visually? Are TB3 ports labelled with "3" or similar to differentiate them from non-TB3 ports?
My newest pet peeve is people confusing USB-C and USB 3.1 or 3.2. It happens so often especially with docks and hubs that people are starting to not like "USB-C" because things don't always work as they expect.
Exactly. I think it even can carry 12 Mbit/s USB 1.0 technically, but I think a deal was made that at the very least it must have the 60 MB/s USB 2.0 speed. Anyhow, just because a device has a USB-C port on it, doesn't mean it's 10 Gb/s USB 3.1. You need to know more.
@@mufcedits5295 While often associated with USB 3.2 Gen 2 and Gen 2×2, USB-C is not the same thing. USB letter types, like A, B, and C, denote the shape and form of the port and connector, while the number types (3.2, etc.) denote the data transfer capabilities.
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Between Thunderbolt 3 vs. USB-C? Speed: Thunderbolt 3/4 = 40 GBPS vs USB-C = 10 GBPS max (More speed = being able to use higher resolution/higher resolution displays, external graphics cards and more ports) Thunderbolt uses PCI lanes while USB-C does not. This is one of the largest differences and the reason why Thunderbolt is so much faster than USB-C Power Delivery: Thunderbolt cables can usually deliver 100W+ of power to a supported device while the best USB-C cables can do roughly 65W maximum. USB-C is like a normal USB-A port in a different shape which can be given special attributes such as power delivery and display port and slightly higher speeds. Thunderbolt is a cable/connection that can do it all and quickly utilizing high speed PCI lanes. Dual 4K displays, External Graphics cards, Gigabyte ethernet, crap ton of power delivery, power button, aux port... everything.
What I get from the video: USB C = is a type of connector with 10Gbps max speed Thunderbolt 3 = is an hardware that uses type-C connection with 40Gbps max speed Thats it!! This could've been a 10 seconds video.
What about answering the main question - What will happen if I put my USB Typ C in a Thunderbolt hole, and vice versa? Do they fit? Should they fit? Does it work? Is it smart? Or should someone hang for this idiocy?
@toshio But does plugging a USB Type C in a Thunderbolt hole, or vice versa harm anything? There is a video standard called HDbaseT that plugging certain devices together can melt the wire... Which might be in the wall... I think it has something to do with POE, Power Over Ethernet.
Sure let’s go ahead and confuse people even more by adding random USB history. Okay Steve Jobs, take a seat, and let’s go discuss the differences between thunderbolt, and USB-C. I can’t believe this video is seven minutes long
*My MSI Titan Pro has Thunderbolt 3 and I want to connect a HUB to handle multiple 7-10 USB 3.1 devices however I'm finding most hubs use USB-C thus my question. If I were to plug the USB C connector of a HUB device into my Thunderbolt 3 port, will it all still work and if so, will it work just as efficient or better than if I had a USB C port on my laptop which I don't?*
At the end of the day, as I understand it, to take advantage of the 40Gig TB speeds, BOTH devices have to have TB ports. Plugging a USB C to TB will not be able to exceed the USB C's transfer rate. Your transfer rate will always be limited to the slowest port in the chain.... (at least for now I believe..)
USB C: All Modern Cars. USB C 3.1: Luxury Car. USB C Thunderbolt: Nascar Race Car. I think this should be simple enough for those not into all the technology terminologies.
It should be noted that Apple designed the USB-C port. But they won’t come out and say that. It was designed to fit on their new, thin laptops. On a Mac Thunderbolt 3 already has the features of TB4 on PCs. It handles SATA and DisplayPort and Thunderbolt Hubbing, where you can daisy chain up to 4 devices on one TB port.
Between Thunderbolt 3 vs. USB-C? Speed: Thunderbolt 3/4 = 40 GBPS vs USB-C = 10 GBPS max (More speed = being able to use higher resolution/higher resolution displays, external graphics cards and more ports) Thunderbolt uses PCI lanes while USB-C does not. This is one of the largest differences and the reason why Thunderbolt is so much faster than USB-C Power Delivery: Thunderbolt cables can usually deliver 100W+ of power to a supported device while the best USB-C cables can do roughly 65W maximum. USB-C is like a normal USB-A port in a different shape which can be given special attributes such as power delivery and display port and slightly higher speeds. Thunderbolt is a cable/connection that can do it all and quickly utilizing high speed PCI lanes. Dual 4K displays, External Graphics cards, Gigabyte ethernet, crap ton of power delivery, power button, aux port... everything.
One thing she implied but did not say is that you can plug a USB-C into a Thunderbolt 3 device, or vice versa, but it won’t work and may even damage the device.
@@mjmonjure Thunderbolt devices will generally not work with USB-C ports but USB-C devices will generally work with Thunderbolt ports. As a rule of thumb, if a device is made with Thunderbolt support instead of USB-C support, it will likely need the extra bandwidth provided by Thunderbolt. For example, a Dell WD19TB Thunderbolt dock will connect to a USB-C port but will be limited in capabilities (No dual 4K displays) but all of its ports will still work except for the downstream Thunderbolt. An external graphics card will not work with a USB-C port device as it absolutely needs the extra bandwidth. USB-C peripherals can be plugged into a Thunderbolt 3/4 port and work without issue. I can plug a USB-C to VGA port into my laptops Thunderbolt port and it works. I can also transfer data and charge my phone using my laptops Thunderbolt port without a hiccup.
@@lingth Pretty simple. If the laptop has an AMD proccesor, 99.9% chance it won't have thunderbolt. If the laptop has thunderbolt, it will be indicated by a little thunderbolt lightning strike ⚡marking near the port. If an accessory is thunderbolt, it will likely have the Thunderbolt lightning strike logo somewhere on itself, have an extremely thick, high quality cable, and have 2 rows of pins inside the USB-C shaped plug. Thunderbolt devices often require their own power supplies and aren't BUS powered devices.
How about comparing USB 3 over USB-C and thunderbolt? Far about the multitude of other things tied into each protocol like power distribution, display port pass thru, channels, devices, OTG (host vs device)?
Unfortunately you fail to mention "bit jitter" for thunderbolt. That leaves USB 3 as the only protocol to support ultra high speed transport. Bit jitter as you know is the same reason we use serial and no longer used parallel transfer. Easier to understand in radio. A signal on a wire at 3 Megahertz travels about 95% of the speed of light. A signal on a wire at 300 Megahertz travels about 85% of the speed of light (best case). So slower changing signals will catch up and overtake faster data rates.
@@sammiller6631 Wires are transmission lines. From ham radio Antenna calculations. (I think at 300 Mhz signals are 85% of light. ) The higher the frequency, the more RF slows down. Signals with fewer bit changes will overtake signals with more bit changes. That's why parallel signals like IDE have maxed out; parallel data is smeared in time at high speeds. Ultra high speed transmission hence can travel reliably further on USB 3.1 than SATA 4 or eSATA or PCIe 4.0
@@sammiller6631 Higher frequencies cause a "skin effect" where RF power only travels in a thin layer at the Copper surface. Rem not light in a vacuum but electrons interacting with Copper molecular orbitals.
USB-C will remain the preferred connection, by far, in 99% of devices around the world. Thunderbolt has very few practical advantages, such as for those using external graphic cards, which is a rather minute niche.
Let's make this simple. Both are the same port. Usb-c uses a standard communication across Supported devices and ports. Thunderbolt uses a usb-c port but uses a different communication standard. Everybody has a front door with a knob (usb-c) and a deadbolt (thundetbolt). Both the mounting holes (ports) cut in the door are the exact same size and can accept either a knob (usb-c) or deadbolt (thunderbolt) however the door jam (device) has a different depth hole for the deadbolt, the deadbolt will fit the hole for the knob but will not funtion properly because the receiver is not deep enough. vise versa the knob can function properly in the deadbolt hole because it doesn't require a deeper receiver like the deadbolt does. Its not the port its what happens on the other side of the port that's different.
As very few external devices can match, let alone exceed the speed of a typical USB-C, for practical purposes, there usually won't be a difference in speed.
USB is not and has not been needlessly complicated, any complexity it has is very much intentional and valuable addition to the standard. USB is actually one of the LEAST complicated standards we have ever had. If it fits the socket, it will work and is backwards compatible. If it doesn't fit, it is too old of a model for the requirements of the port, and it can't be used. That is pretty simple This feels more like an Apple fanboy/fangirl commercial
For me the complication lies in the naming standard. USB 3.0 became USB 3.1 Gen 1 when USB 3.1 came out. And then became USB 3.2 Gen 1 when USB 3.2 came out. This can be confusing when someone has an old cable labeled USB 3.0 and wanting to maximize data transfer rates and looking at a port that says USB 3.2 Gen 1. Basically, the same transfer speed has had 3 different names over the years. Why did they need to change the names?!
@@Galiant2010 Agree, but that isn't quite how it goes. 3.1 has 1st and 2nd gen versions. While 3.2 has 4 different versions, all with very different specs edit: originally misread your comment
Patiently incorrect. Usb C 2.0 will vor Not power your notebook. Thunderbolt usb data will not be transferred via your non thunderbolt cable. You displayport data will not be transported over your non display port enabled usb C cable...
@@davoudtaghawi-nejad6780 You are just ignorant and are mixing things you don't understand. Type C is a header type, not the USB gen type. IF you are using hybrid cables with Type A and Type C, ofc it will only work with the lowest common wiring inside the cable HOWEVER Type C ports are smart enough to flip the wiring and to communicate with the device what max specs they have available, and use those ps. USB A's are even color coded so people like you can more easily understand their max capabilities
I have a question: Can I use the same usb on a building or a utility pole solely mounted to give off a warning signal for an air raid attack or a tornado? Because the thing that confuses me, where's the blower?
It only became a disappointment for the consumer is when they were not made aware and when they l;earned about USB-C living in a USB-A world they had to foot the bill and buy and adapter… we were not sold on this product… that is what they are still made. Great Video by the way!
You didn't get into the disparities between the USB-C vs. Thunderbolt cables themselves, that you can't expect the Thunderbolt-rated speeds when plugging in any old cheap USB-C cable into Thunderbolt plugs.
The biggest mistake of the video is stating that USB Type-C is only a connector. This is misleading. While technically true, most people when they talk about USB Type-C are actually talking about USB 3.x Type-C. USB 3.x defines an electrical interface, a serial protocol like Thunderbolt and power management features. USB 3.x can use up to 9 wires. What the video calls "connectors". There is also USB 3.x Type-A connectors which is a Type A form factor but it has a 2ed row of 5 smaller pins. These connectors typically have a blue interior. On a Type-C connector these 12 wires (9 defined + 3 spare) are replicated on both sides of a header in a non-polarized housing. This allows you to plug a cable into a port without worrying about which way is up. The tiny pins and no cable latching system are real reliability flaws, IMHO. But inquiring minds still want to know, does plugging a USB 3.x Type-C device in a Thunderbolt port or vice versa harm anything? Do either combination let any magic smoke out?
Thank you - to me, that made perfect sense. Yes, a tricky concept to understand as they are not a comparison. I purchased an M1 MBP recently and ordered the wrong power supplies, simply because I could not work out whether the MBP needed USB-C, Thunderbolt-3 or mag-safe. I mistakenly went with mag-safe and had to return both, to be replaced by USB-C/Thunderbolt-3. I could not understand why on Apple’s website that they referred to both but not always on the same page. I struggled to understand... are they USB-C, like my iPad Pro or Thunderbolt-3. In hindsight, and after your clear and concise explanation, it is now so obvious, so thank you! Have subscribed.
To everyone else... No, this comment carries no weight. It's not you. Note the name of this video which includes the word "difference". In other words, "comparison" is definitely the subject matter. However the second sentence in Gee Bee's comment says the video is hard to understand because they are NOT compared. Somehow, Gee Bee got something from the "difference" video by thinking it's NOT a "comparison". So don't assume that the subject matter is too technical for you to understand. The only person more confused than the video's narrator, is Gee Bee. You're fine. You just need to find a good source of information because the narrator clearly doesn't take it seriously.
Difference Between Thunderbolt 3 vs. USB-C? Speed: Thunderbolt 3/4 = 40 GBPS vs USB-C = 10 GBPS max (More speed = being able to use higher resolution/higher resolution displays, external graphics cards and more ports) Thunderbolt uses PCI lanes while USB-C does not. This is one of the largest differences and the reason why Thunderbolt is so much faster than USB-C Power Delivery: Thunderbolt cables can usually deliver 100W+ of power to a supported device while the best USB-C cables can do roughly 65W maximum. USB-C is like a normal USB-A port in a different shape which can be given special attributes such as power delivery and display port and slightly higher speeds. Thunderbolt is a cable/connection that can do it all and quickly utilizing high speed PCI lanes. Dual 4K displays, External Graphics cards, Gigabyte ethernet, crap ton of power delivery, power button, aux port... everything.
So in a sense Thunderbolt supersedes USB-C because it is capable of more. You can still plug in a USB-C to a Thunderbolt port but not Thunderbolt to a USB-C port as those devices wont work at the lower speeds.
@@johnschroeder3072 DisplayPort is better. The labelling is clear, unlike that HDMI 2/2.1/2.1a debacle rolling everything into one vague label, so you could end up paying more to get less with HDMI 2.
@@johnschroeder3072 Thunderbolt _is_ DisplayPort protocol combined with PCIe. This is well documented. Thunderbolt 1 & 2 used mini DisplayPort connectors, but 3 & 4 use USB. It's still using Display Port no matter the connector.
@@sammiller6631 Pardon an objective perspective, but John Schroeder has a point. Your defensive attitude does nothing to enhance your narrow point of view.
It would help if you provided real use case information answers like are they interchangeable with the devices we use etc.? Perhaps pointing out how some devices have both USB-C and thunderbolt three connectors and although they look the same only the ones designated as thunderbolt can be used for external monitors and other thunderbolt specific devices. If you did mention that and I missed it I’m sorry.
Thunderbolt 3 & 4 uses USB-C connectors but DisplayPort internally to connect to PCIe. USB-C omits DisplayPort and PCIe connections, connecting to USB controller like old USB but faster.
This is extremely helpful (cynical) so you got one plug which confuses all. So, what happens when you plug into the wrong port (usb into thunderbolt 3 or thunderbolt 3 into usb-c) does it blow things or just not work, or is it for the purpose of use, interchangeable (ignoring speed differences etc)? So, what happens when you get a person who's hardware is beyond their understanding giving all the signal of failure?
Just doesn’t work, although if your buying a thunderbolt device it usually costs 4x the price of the usb-c counterpart. So for the lay person that’s price sensitive you’ll rarely run into that issue.
Although it is an informative video, but the way to explain it caused more confusion. May I suggest maybe put it in more simpler terms? Maybe something like you have two identical looking car. One has has gas power engine, the other one is electric powered. They might look the same but functions differently. Or just say type C only describe the shape of the connector head and thunderbolt 3 describes the data transfer technology. Just a suggestion.
I already know everything about it, but after watching this video I'm just confused I don't know if I learned something new or if the point of this was just to make me think I know nothing about something that I actually know
Great video, very informative. Well done! The video didn't specifically talk about it, but I suppose by convention, since it's the same physical connector, that the pins (contacts) on the Thunderbolt and USB-C connectors are numbered the same. I'm curious though, is the power and signal pin-out the same for both? I mean, do they use the same power (+5)? Is the power and ground on the same pins? Are the data inputs and outputs on the same pins?
You don't need to pretend the video is good. It clearly is not. If you think the pins are numbered the same, why are you asking whether there are various differences? And if the video is as you say, "Great", "very informative" and "well done!" why do you have so many questions? What do you think the purpose of an informational video is? If an info video lacks info, it's not an info video. Calm down and find a better source of information.
Not a joke, but in the overall laptop/computer market, not very common. Less than 10%. I suspect that micro USB is far more common than Type-C and probably more common than Type-A because of smartphones and all the other small devices in our day to day lives.
USB-C cables and Thunderbolt Cables fit in the same port, but the pinout is different. On a USB-C cable, one side has 12 pins and the other has none. With thunderbolt cables, there is 12 pins on one side and 12 pins on the other side for a total of 24 pins.
Thunderbolt 3 ports look exactly the same as USB-C ports, and indeed, the connector is physically the same from a plug-in perspective. In many cases, they can do everything that a USB-C port can, except much faster
I explain it in 10 sec.
Awesome! Now tell Apple to start switching completely over to USB-C and thunderbolt instead of still making their own crappy lightning cable.
you explained it wrong tho. thunderbolt 3 is a hardware interface while usb-c is just a connector type, it just happens that thunderbolt 3 uses usb-c connector.
All three of my new Laptops come with both out of the same plugin, has hardware and software for both
@@harryvuemedia5106 Apple and Intel developed Thunderbolt 3….
Thanks a lot. This video wasted 2 minutes of my time and made me lose brain cells
Type-C: physical, shape of the connector.
Thunderbolt 3: the software implementation and data transfer protocol.
Thanks
Just 1 sentence yet explains everything, you are a god send.
And yeah, this video doesn’t explain what we want to know
thanks, now I don't need to watch the video
Thanks. Video doesn’t give that simple explanation.thanks for saving time
Yeah, idk why she keeps calling it the hardware interface.
Uhhhhh... For me, that was clear as mudd.
LoL
Haha. Thank you. I feel the same.
Ikr
Yep 🤦🏼♀️
I shouldn’t read your comment at the start of the video 😂 I laughed during the entire video 😂
Skip to 5:56 - Watch until 6:20 - Move on with your day
Thanks. This video is badly produced and confusing for the most part. Only this segment is crystal clear.
Thanks. Really helpful
Ok thanks just saved some time there.
Thanks
Why even this year there are no phone chargers which says USB 4.0 on it ? We still only see old slower USB 3.0 ones :(
Are the phones with 65w fast charging ?
I rarely comment on videos but this video is so confusing that I wish I didn’t see it in the first place..
USB C Port on a computer is like a train tunnel. The other end of the tunnel accepts certain trains. USB c tunnels that accept thunderbolt trains can take advantage of faster train models (Thunderbolt 3), that can haul cargo (data) up to 10 times faster than USB C trains, while other USB C tunnels accept only slower USB C trains.
thanks for sharing.. changing to another video after 3 seconds LOL.
USB C is a connector. It can handle both USB and Thunderbolt protocols. Thunderbolt does data, and also does power and display port. Not hard.
@@DavidRavenMoon Thank you. Right to the point.
As you see ,, the narrator is a female, and porbably made by a female,
Try to avoid confusiong by searching for a man explaining
Ok. Simply put, USB-C and Thunderbolt use the same connector, the USB-C. It's what's the circuitry inside the computer that the cable is plugged in to that's different. Think of it like buying a new car. You can get the same car with a standard engine, let's say a 4 cylinder, with the high performance option being a V-8. It gives you more speed and power. Same car, different engine. USB-C is the car. Thunderbolt is the high performance engine, USB (using the USB-C connector) is the standard engine. Not sure if that's a good analogy, but I tried. :). It took me until the last 30 seconds to understand what she was talking about. It sounded informative, but ultimately confusing. :)
This is the most complicated video to explain something not so complicated
That tells me nothing other than Thunderbolt being faster. The most important piece of information would have been to tell us what happens when you put a USB C peripheral in a Thunderbolt port and vice versa. So I’m none the wiser
Thunderbolt devices will generally not work with USB-C ports but USB-C devices will generally work with Thunderbolt ports.
As a rule of thumb, if a device is made with Thunderbolt support instead of USB-C support, it will likely need the extra bandwidth provided by Thunderbolt.
For example, a Dell WD19TB Thunderbolt dock will connect to a USB-C port but will be limited in capabilities (No dual 4K displays). An external graphics card will not work with a USB-C port device as it absolutely needs the extra bandwidth.
USB-C peripherals can be plugged into a Thunderbolt 3/4 port and work without issue. I can plug a USB-C to VGA port into my laptops Thunderbolt port and it works. I can also transfer data and charge my phone using my laptops Thunderbolt port without a hiccup.
@@HellFire107 so im trying to plug a m2 drive into my usb type c port with a adapter but will that work if i put that in a thunderbolt on a mc
@@YoungBlaze Yes. Thunderbolt ports are generally also compatible with USB-C devices.
@@HellFire107 gotcha but the only trade off is I will still get faster transfer etc but not at the 40gb transfer speeds using usb type c
@@YoungBlaze That's correct. Most M.2 drives can only read & write data around 3Gbps maximum though so I don't believe there would be too much of a speed difference between USB-C 10 GBPS and Thunderbolt's 40 GBPS
When one has to read the comment section to understand what the video claims to explain. And every good comment takes less time to read than watch the video.
I’m more confused now than I was before I watched this video.!! Thanks!!!!!
Before Type-c we had 10 different USB connectors... Now we have 11 ! And the new one adds even more confusion since it can be found on both USB and Thunderbolt devices... GREAT ENGINEERING !
Lool
well you can plug in type-c either way which is a massive improvement imo. if any of the connectors should become mainstream, its this one. however the problem is not the connector itself anymore, its the cords since they are different from each other.
Too many car models - just stick to horse and buggy
usb absolutely sucks ass at naming and engineering
This is the nonsense EU wanted to impose.
The generic people clips are distracting 😑
Intel 11th Gen CPU's have Thunderbolt controllers built into the CPU. This leads to a HUGE difference in EGPU performance as the EGPU doesn't need to go through a thunderbolt controller to reach the CPU resulting in less latency.
Let's show stock footage of an iPhone lightning cable for extra confusion. 👏
Let's show it twice, even!! The second time in close-up!! :-D
Still didn't say what the difference was. Just that they use the same interface but are different several times.
Usb-c is like the concept of having vehicles drive on a road. That road can be bumpy and therefore the vehicle may, also because of the bumpyness, not be able to drive that fast. Thunderbolt 3 is the utilizing the concept of a road and makes it as fast as they possibly can by offering as flat of a road as possible so you can drive it with as fast of a car as possible.
Im not a teacher but maybe this clears it up a little.
This stock footage is absolutely SICKENING
Using a iPhone 6 to demonstrate , USB-C ain't
wise enough , LOL *at :* 0:28
lol
It wasn’t
I’m reasonably smart, I’m the guy who learns all the new technology out to help explain it to everyone around me and help bring them up to speed. Your video left me lost, confused and I didn’t even understand what you were trying to explain
sounds to me you said a whole lot of words, but didn't really explain anything.
This is literally the worst video I have ever watched.
Same, I only get that thunderbolt is just faster but the same lol.
2:31 says it all, why is this being shown ?
The script writer doesn't know the difference either
@4:35 "USB-C is just a connector whereas Thunderbolt-3 is just a hardware interface..."
That's like saying 'a saloon car is just a vehicle, whereas a hatcback is a person conveying vehicle'.
Their both cars, just like USB-C and Thunderbolt-3 are both hardware connectors. In fact, Thunderbolt-3 is USB-C, but USB-C is not necessarily Thunderbolt-3.
Okay @Gamescan, pay attention, *this* is an example of how you should explain things:
"Thunderbolt 3 has XXX advantages over Type C, that's what makes them different. "
See how fast and easy to understand that is? It should be possible to explain it in less that one minute.
Let's see if I can make things really confusing, just for fun.
USB (all of the early protocols up to version 3) has three lines plus one for ground. This why previous USB on portable devices could charge batteries, or have analog audio and video... but not both.
Thunderbolt has a long history, beginning with an invention from Apple called Firewire. This protocol was packeted at the data level, which means several speeds could be accommodated at the same time.
USB is not packeted and cannot support multiple speeds at the same instantaneous moment, like Firewire. This is why, when multiple speed products are connected to the same USB interface, the slowest one commands that specific, for that particular time hack.
Back to Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt has most of the same protocols as FireWire, but used different type connectors. In fact Thunderbolt was originally invented as an optical cable protocol (which we don't see in the public yet). Copper Thunderbolt is what consumers see right now, but is thought to be partially optical in Apple computers today, as part of the system buss.
The original Thunderbolt copper chipsets were produced at Texas Instruments. Nobody is clear what happened after that.
One thing is quite clear though. FireWire could use up to 16-lines in the cables. Thunderbolt begins at 22-lines, Thunderbolt-3 uses 28-lines, and Thunderbolt-4 can use up to twice that many lines.
Guess how many lines can be accomodated in a USB-C connector? 28 lines. Hence Thunderbolt-3 uses the USB-C connector,, at Apple (and lately other places).
Thunderbolt-3 can move the contents of a double-sided DVD in less than 4-seconds. Faster than any other public protocol in any consumer interface on Earth. This is fast enough for a computer interface databuss.
USB-3 connectors are used because they are very slim and allow for slimmer iPhones .
I hope I have ruined everybody's day...
This could all have been said in one minute, more clearly. Serious practical questions are not answered: eg what happens if you plug usb 3.x technology into a thunderbolt tech port and vice versa?
*All THUNDERBOLT 3 is 40gb/s with a MUST HAVE thunderbolt on the wire..
*USB-C 3.1 (GEN 2) is 10gb/s..
*USB-C 3.1 (GEN 1) is 5g/s..
that's all you need to know!!
No, Thunderbolt 3 on some laptops are limited to 20Gbps due to use of only half of PCIe lanes
Are they interchangeable or not in an imergncy? 😢
TB3 is a dream with a quality TB3 Audio Interface for recording. Negligible latency. And MANY simultaneous channels recording! No hassles. It is altogether a much better system.
TB 3 40gbs makes external NVMe drives. At fast data transfer in both read and write..As they have two lanes...Why they will be the standard interface in all devices.
Sorry, but it seems that you didn’t research this topic enough to clarify the title of the video.
USB C is just a connector.
Computers equipped with TB 3 controllers use an USB C port to connect to a TB 3 cable to communicate with TB 3 peripherals.
TB 3 controllers are compatible with USB 3.1 and will communicate with any USB 3.1 or less peripheral through USB 3.1 , 3.0 or 2.0 cable (equipped with USB C male connector)
On the other hand USB 3.1 controllers are not compatible with any TB peripherals, as they use incompatible cables and the flow of data is different all together.
Older generations of thunderbolt used the same interface as monitor output connector namely Mini DisplayPort.
You could both connect displays and peripherals to the same connector on a thunderbolt compatible computer with a thunderbolt cable.
A non thunderbolt equipped computer could still be shipped with a Mini DisplayPort connector to control a monitor but would not be able to connect to TB peripherals.
Therefore, if your laptop didn’t ship with thunderbolt, you cannot connect to a thunderbolt peripheral.
We need a follow up video. I still have a thunderbolt 3 expansion card for an older PC, that I never use, but would like to know about the 'ins and outs', of Thunderbolt 3 vs Thunderbolt 4, and how backwards compatibility plays a role.
So can you use a use a usb type c in a thunderbolt 3 and vise versa?
The world in 2077 : we use usb type c
*Cyberpunk theme music starts
I had teachers like you in college.
Bottom line: if it fits, it should work. The closer they match, the faster the transfer.
Title of the video should be “how to confuse the person who clearly knows the difference between Type C and Tthunderbolt 3”
😂 Exactly
It didn't confuse me since pretty much all information was right. But after watching it a second time I understand why it confused some people. The explanation is a bit wacky.
*The more confused the customer is, then the greater the advantage the manufacturer has.*
You are master Yoda's humanoid cousin?
You mean the ex-manafacturing by Federal Signal right?
Still vaguely confused, but the fog is lifting...
too much talking for no reason
A big omission for me in this video is the question of cross-compatibility...what would happen if I mistakenly plug one into the other...what would go wrong?
Nothing bad would happen
USB-C lacks features
TLDR.
USB and Thunderbolt are like different languages.
The generations are like the big change in the type of device people communicate with.
So at first morse code, then texting on a number pad, keyboard on phones, then a phone call would be equivalent to the shape of the connector you get on the cable.
They developed different so the speed they can talk to a device that speaks their language changes but sometimes like this generation theyre speaking a different language but are using the same device to speak, just one is a super slow version vs thunderbolts shinny fast version. think like sending an email in english and french, one is using dail up the other is using fibre broadband, both are using google mail, just at different speeds. In some other generations its like trying to send an email as a text message (when you have different looking connectors on the cable).
If theyre both using the same connector they may not be on the same speed but they arent even speaking the same language. Only if a translation has been done can they talk to each other.
Thunderbolt is a marketing label, not a language. Thunderbolt's "language" is DisplayPort which is wired to PCIe hardware.
A couple of times you stated that USB C is only backwards compatible to USB 2.0, but I thought it would still work with USB 1.1 (which AFAIK is still commonly used for cheap low speed devices like mice and keyboards).
where can you even find a USB 1.1 device that uses a USB-C connector? I haven't seen a USB device that's using USB 1.1 that also uses USB-C type connector.
Every USB 1 device I know uses the old USB-A connector.
Even the devices that uses USB type C port is automatically understood that it uses at least USB 2.0. Old phones from 2015 that has USB type-C port is using USB 2.0
Underrated channel.
The algorithm is weird. I got a video with 4 times the views as this and it's total garbage. The audio is completely impossible to hear, and it's 6 year old me being a fucking idiot.
This was good, but the most important thing was not covered: how can I discern the two visually? Are TB3 ports labelled with "3" or similar to differentiate them from non-TB3 ports?
Carl Erik Kopseng Thunderbolt ports should have a lightning symbol, its seen in the video.
Really?
@@hang-the-93 Well, obviously. Problem is that TB1, 2, 3 and 4 all have that same lightning symbol, as seen in the video.
Thank you. Still clear as mud as far as us mere mortals go.
My newest pet peeve is people confusing USB-C and USB 3.1 or 3.2. It happens so often especially with docks and hubs that people are starting to not like "USB-C" because things don't always work as they expect.
Exactly. I think it even can carry 12 Mbit/s USB 1.0 technically, but I think a deal was made that at the very least it must have the 60 MB/s USB 2.0 speed. Anyhow, just because a device has a USB-C port on it, doesn't mean it's 10 Gb/s USB 3.1. You need to know more.
Confused by the "USB 3.1" since I know of it as USB type A 3.1
I am one of them, please clear the confusion for me.
@@mufcedits5295 While often associated with USB 3.2 Gen 2 and Gen 2×2, USB-C is not the same thing. USB letter types, like A, B, and C, denote the shape and form of the port and connector, while the number types (3.2, etc.) denote the data transfer capabilities.
@@119Agent Got it. Thank you
"Flipping a few times" for USB A is true every time. One flip is never enough.
This channel covers things that most big youtubers don’t and I love it
Anda menjelaskannya dgn baik, bahkan saya bisa mengerti.
Ya ..... Teknologi memang bergerak cepat.
Saya hanya punya 2 pilihan : mencoba mengerti atau tidak mencoba untuk mengerti😁.
Terimakasih untuk penjelasannya
So what’s the difference between usb c and thunderbolt ?
Watch the Video ...
Between Thunderbolt 3 vs. USB-C?
Speed: Thunderbolt 3/4 = 40 GBPS vs USB-C = 10 GBPS max
(More speed = being able to use higher resolution/higher resolution displays, external graphics cards and more ports)
Thunderbolt uses PCI lanes while USB-C does not. This is one of the largest differences and the reason why Thunderbolt is so much faster than USB-C
Power Delivery: Thunderbolt cables can usually deliver 100W+ of power to a supported device while the best USB-C cables can do roughly 65W maximum.
USB-C is like a normal USB-A port in a different shape which can be given special attributes such as power delivery and display port and slightly higher speeds.
Thunderbolt is a cable/connection that can do it all and quickly utilizing high speed PCI lanes. Dual 4K displays, External Graphics cards, Gigabyte ethernet, crap ton of power delivery, power button, aux port... everything.
What I get from the video:
USB C = is a type of connector with 10Gbps max speed
Thunderbolt 3 = is an hardware that uses type-C connection with 40Gbps max speed
Thats it!! This could've been a 10 seconds video.
One is video one is to charge ur phone
@@HellFire107 your explanation even clearer than this 6 minute video
I didn't think I was confused about this until now.
What about answering the main question - What will happen if I put my USB Typ C in a Thunderbolt hole, and vice versa? Do they fit? Should they fit? Does it work? Is it smart? Or should someone hang for this idiocy?
@toshio But does plugging a USB Type C in a Thunderbolt hole, or vice versa harm anything?
There is a video standard called HDbaseT that plugging certain devices together can melt the wire...
Which might be in the wall...
I think it has something to do with POE, Power Over Ethernet.
Somebody is playing games!
Sure let’s go ahead and confuse people even more by adding random USB history. Okay Steve Jobs, take a seat, and let’s go discuss the differences between thunderbolt, and USB-C. I can’t believe this video is seven minutes long
*My MSI Titan Pro has Thunderbolt 3 and I want to connect a HUB to handle multiple 7-10 USB 3.1 devices however I'm finding most hubs use USB-C thus my question. If I were to plug the USB C connector of a HUB device into my Thunderbolt 3 port, will it all still work and if so, will it work just as efficient or better than if I had a USB C port on my laptop which I don't?*
At the end of the day, as I understand it, to take advantage of the 40Gig TB speeds, BOTH devices have to have TB ports. Plugging a USB C to TB will not be able to exceed the USB C's transfer rate. Your transfer rate will always be limited to the slowest port in the chain.... (at least for now I believe..)
Yes
USB C: All Modern Cars.
USB C 3.1: Luxury Car.
USB C Thunderbolt: Nascar Race Car.
I think this should be simple enough for those not into all the technology terminologies.
It should be noted that Apple designed the USB-C port. But they won’t come out and say that. It was designed to fit on their new, thin laptops.
On a Mac Thunderbolt 3 already has the features of TB4 on PCs. It handles SATA and DisplayPort and Thunderbolt Hubbing, where you can daisy chain up to 4 devices on one TB port.
SHE SAID A WHOLE LOT OF NOTHING.. WHAT IS THE DIFFERANCE??
Between Thunderbolt 3 vs. USB-C?
Speed: Thunderbolt 3/4 = 40 GBPS vs USB-C = 10 GBPS max
(More speed = being able to use higher resolution/higher resolution displays, external graphics cards and more ports)
Thunderbolt uses PCI lanes while USB-C does not. This is one of the largest differences and the reason why Thunderbolt is so much faster than USB-C
Power Delivery: Thunderbolt cables can usually deliver 100W+ of power to a supported device while the best USB-C cables can do roughly 65W maximum.
USB-C is like a normal USB-A port in a different shape which can be given special attributes such as power delivery and display port and slightly higher speeds.
Thunderbolt is a cable/connection that can do it all and quickly utilizing high speed PCI lanes. Dual 4K displays, External Graphics cards, Gigabyte ethernet, crap ton of power delivery, power button, aux port... everything.
One thing she implied but did not say is that you can plug a USB-C into a Thunderbolt 3 device, or vice versa, but it won’t work and may even damage the device.
@@mjmonjure Thunderbolt devices will generally not work with USB-C ports but USB-C devices will generally work with Thunderbolt ports.
As a rule of thumb, if a device is made with Thunderbolt support instead of USB-C support, it will likely need the extra bandwidth provided by Thunderbolt.
For example, a Dell WD19TB Thunderbolt dock will connect to a USB-C port but will be limited in capabilities (No dual 4K displays) but all of its ports will still work except for the downstream Thunderbolt. An external graphics card will not work with a USB-C port device as it absolutely needs the extra bandwidth.
USB-C peripherals can be plugged into a Thunderbolt 3/4 port and work without issue. I can plug a USB-C to VGA port into my laptops Thunderbolt port and it works. I can also transfer data and charge my phone using my laptops Thunderbolt port without a hiccup.
The thing ppl want to know is how to visually identify a thunderbolt 3 port or plug/cable when making a purchase
@@lingth Pretty simple. If the laptop has an AMD proccesor, 99.9% chance it won't have thunderbolt. If the laptop has thunderbolt, it will be indicated by a little thunderbolt lightning strike ⚡marking near the port.
If an accessory is thunderbolt, it will likely have the Thunderbolt lightning strike logo somewhere on itself, have an extremely thick, high quality cable, and have 2 rows of pins inside the USB-C shaped plug. Thunderbolt devices often require their own power supplies and aren't BUS powered devices.
In short, usb type C is the connector type and thunderbolt is the medium.
Protocals
Good lord just make a common cable connection!
Agree, it is ridiculous.. it's 2022 .. usb-c is a terrible design as it does not connect securely.
5:08 isn’t this a micro USB? 🤔🤣
yep 🤣🤣🤣
How about comparing USB 3 over USB-C and thunderbolt? Far about the multitude of other things tied into each protocol like power distribution, display port pass thru, channels, devices, OTG (host vs device)?
Unfortunately you fail to mention "bit jitter" for thunderbolt. That leaves USB 3 as the only protocol to support ultra high speed transport.
Bit jitter as you know is the same reason we use serial and no longer used parallel transfer. Easier to understand in radio. A signal on a wire at 3 Megahertz travels about 95% of the speed of light. A signal on a wire at 300 Megahertz travels about 85% of the speed of light (best case). So slower changing signals will catch up and overtake faster data rates.
Wut?
Very interesting - thank you!
I learn a lot from reading the comments on tech videos.
Why would raising the frequency change the velocity factor?
@@sammiller6631 Wires are transmission lines. From ham radio Antenna calculations. (I think at 300 Mhz signals are 85% of light. ) The higher the frequency, the more RF slows down. Signals with fewer bit changes will overtake signals with more bit changes. That's why parallel signals like IDE have maxed out; parallel data is smeared in time at high speeds. Ultra high speed transmission hence can travel reliably further on USB 3.1 than SATA 4 or eSATA or PCIe 4.0
@@sammiller6631 Higher frequencies cause a "skin effect" where RF power only travels in a thin layer at the Copper surface. Rem not light in a vacuum but electrons interacting with Copper molecular orbitals.
So I am now more confused than I was before watching this video lol
Comnragulations for 99k subs
That is about as clear as mud, thanks
USB-C will remain the preferred connection, by far, in 99% of devices around the world. Thunderbolt has very few practical advantages, such as for those using external graphic cards, which is a rather minute niche.
Truth, but besides external graphics cards, Thunderbolt docking stations :)
We will see what your overlords say about that!
Can u get 2 the point of which is faster? w/o the tech world history lesson?
Let's make this simple.
Both are the same port.
Usb-c uses a standard communication across
Supported devices and ports.
Thunderbolt uses a usb-c port but uses a different communication standard.
Everybody has a front door with a knob (usb-c) and a deadbolt (thundetbolt).
Both the mounting holes (ports) cut in the door are the exact same size and can accept either a knob (usb-c) or deadbolt (thunderbolt) however the door jam (device) has a different depth hole for the deadbolt, the deadbolt will fit the hole for the knob but will not funtion properly because the receiver is not deep enough. vise versa the knob can function properly in the deadbolt hole because it doesn't require a deeper receiver like the deadbolt does.
Its not the port its what happens on the other side of the port that's different.
A demonstration in the difference in speeds would have been great
As very few external devices can match, let alone exceed the speed of a typical USB-C, for practical purposes, there usually won't be a difference in speed.
USB is not and has not been needlessly complicated, any complexity it has is very much intentional and valuable addition to the standard. USB is actually one of the LEAST complicated standards we have ever had. If it fits the socket, it will work and is backwards compatible. If it doesn't fit, it is too old of a model for the requirements of the port, and it can't be used. That is pretty simple
This feels more like an Apple fanboy/fangirl commercial
For me the complication lies in the naming standard. USB 3.0 became USB 3.1 Gen 1 when USB 3.1 came out. And then became USB 3.2 Gen 1 when USB 3.2 came out. This can be confusing when someone has an old cable labeled USB 3.0 and wanting to maximize data transfer rates and looking at a port that says USB 3.2 Gen 1. Basically, the same transfer speed has had 3 different names over the years. Why did they need to change the names?!
@@Galiant2010 Agree, but that isn't quite how it goes. 3.1 has 1st and 2nd gen versions. While 3.2 has 4 different versions, all with very different specs
edit: originally misread your comment
Patiently incorrect. Usb C 2.0 will vor
Not power your notebook. Thunderbolt usb data will not be transferred via your non thunderbolt cable. You displayport data will not be transported over your non display port enabled usb C cable...
@@davoudtaghawi-nejad6780 You are just ignorant and are mixing things you don't understand. Type C is a header type, not the USB gen type. IF you are using hybrid cables with Type A and Type C, ofc it will only work with the lowest common wiring inside the cable
HOWEVER Type C ports are smart enough to flip the wiring and to communicate with the device what max specs they have available, and use those
ps. USB A's are even color coded so people like you can more easily understand their max capabilities
A rare comprehensive video on this topic covered quite well, kudos! The lady in the video does a fabulous job. Please increase her pay!
why this much lengthy., why cant make it short., we dnt want the history from world war 1., just tell wats the diff and end the video., wtf
Lol ..ww1 .. i like your humour, and you are correct.
I have a question:
Can I use the same usb on a building or a utility pole solely mounted to give off a warning signal for an air raid attack or a tornado? Because the thing that confuses me, where's the blower?
thank you ❤️
It only became a disappointment for the consumer is when they were not made aware and when they l;earned about USB-C living in a USB-A world they had to foot the bill and buy and adapter… we were not sold on this product… that is what they are still made. Great Video by the way!
That video was so enlightening that I decided that I'm going to teach my cat 🐈 how to set the time on the VCR & the Microwave as well! 🤯
You didn't get into the disparities between the USB-C vs. Thunderbolt cables themselves, that you can't expect the Thunderbolt-rated speeds when plugging in any old cheap USB-C cable into Thunderbolt plugs.
A very poor attempt at an educational video. Try answering clearly the question you set yourself.
Wow, that actually made sense! Thank you.
Can you explain then?
Because all I got was that USB - C was just the shape/style of USB.
Same thing physically, different protocol
The biggest mistake of the video is stating that USB Type-C is only a connector. This is misleading. While technically true, most people when they talk about USB Type-C are actually talking about USB 3.x Type-C. USB 3.x defines an electrical interface, a serial protocol like Thunderbolt and power management features. USB 3.x can use up to 9 wires. What the video calls "connectors". There is also USB 3.x Type-A connectors which is a Type A form factor but it has a 2ed row of 5 smaller pins. These connectors typically have a blue interior.
On a Type-C connector these 12 wires (9 defined + 3 spare) are replicated on both sides of a header in a non-polarized housing. This allows you to plug a cable into a port without worrying about which way is up. The tiny pins and no cable latching system are real reliability flaws, IMHO.
But inquiring minds still want to know, does plugging a USB 3.x Type-C device in a Thunderbolt port or vice versa harm anything? Do either combination let any magic smoke out?
Thank you - to me, that made perfect sense. Yes, a tricky concept to understand as they are not a comparison. I purchased an M1 MBP recently and ordered the wrong power supplies, simply because I could not work out whether the MBP needed USB-C, Thunderbolt-3 or mag-safe. I mistakenly went with mag-safe and had to return both, to be replaced by USB-C/Thunderbolt-3. I could not understand why on Apple’s website that they referred to both but not always on the same page. I struggled to understand... are they USB-C, like my iPad Pro or Thunderbolt-3. In hindsight, and after your clear and concise explanation, it is now so obvious, so thank you!
Have subscribed.
To everyone else... No, this comment carries no weight. It's not you. Note the name of this video which includes the word "difference". In other words, "comparison" is definitely the subject matter. However the second sentence in Gee Bee's comment says the video is hard to understand because they are NOT compared. Somehow, Gee Bee got something from the "difference" video by thinking it's NOT a "comparison". So don't assume that the subject matter is too technical for you to understand. The only person more confused than the video's narrator, is Gee Bee. You're fine. You just need to find a good source of information because the narrator clearly doesn't take it seriously.
All thunderbolts are usb-c
Not all usb-c are thunderbolts
Totally didn’t get this vid
Difference Between Thunderbolt 3 vs. USB-C?
Speed: Thunderbolt 3/4 = 40 GBPS vs USB-C = 10 GBPS max
(More speed = being able to use higher resolution/higher resolution displays, external graphics cards and more ports)
Thunderbolt uses PCI lanes while USB-C does not. This is one of the largest differences and the reason why Thunderbolt is so much faster than USB-C
Power Delivery: Thunderbolt cables can usually deliver 100W+ of power to a supported device while the best USB-C cables can do roughly 65W maximum.
USB-C is like a normal USB-A port in a different shape which can be given special attributes such as power delivery and display port and slightly higher speeds.
Thunderbolt is a cable/connection that can do it all and quickly utilizing high speed PCI lanes. Dual 4K displays, External Graphics cards, Gigabyte ethernet, crap ton of power delivery, power button, aux port... everything.
@@HellFire107 what about the shape between that connector?
@@Mont3rAK The shape of the connector is the same. They both slot into the same size port.
So in a sense Thunderbolt supersedes USB-C because it is capable of more. You can still plug in a USB-C to a Thunderbolt port but not Thunderbolt to a USB-C port as those devices wont work at the lower speeds.
This wasn't helpful at all. You made it so complicated.
Great review 😎
You forgot to mention that Thunderbolt is the DisplayPort protocol in a USB plug. DisplayPort 2.0 is better than HDMI 2/2.1/2.1a
No it is not!
@@johnschroeder3072 DisplayPort is better. The labelling is clear, unlike that HDMI 2/2.1/2.1a debacle rolling everything into one vague label, so you could end up paying more to get less with HDMI 2.
@@sammiller6631 I was more referring to the comment "Thunderbolt is the Display Port protocol in a USB plug"
@@johnschroeder3072 Thunderbolt _is_ DisplayPort protocol combined with PCIe. This is well documented. Thunderbolt 1 & 2 used mini DisplayPort connectors, but 3 & 4 use USB. It's still using Display Port no matter the connector.
@@sammiller6631 Pardon an objective perspective, but John Schroeder has a point. Your defensive attitude does nothing to enhance your narrow point of view.
It would help if you provided real use case information answers like are they interchangeable with the devices we use etc.? Perhaps pointing out how some devices have both USB-C and thunderbolt three connectors and although they look the same only the ones designated as thunderbolt can be used for external monitors and other thunderbolt specific devices. If you did mention that and I missed it I’m sorry.
Thunderbolt 3 & 4 uses USB-C connectors but DisplayPort internally to connect to PCIe. USB-C omits DisplayPort and PCIe connections, connecting to USB controller like old USB but faster.
This is extremely helpful (cynical) so you got one plug which confuses all. So, what happens when you plug into the wrong port (usb into thunderbolt 3 or thunderbolt 3 into usb-c) does it blow things or just not work, or is it for the purpose of use, interchangeable (ignoring speed differences etc)? So, what happens when you get a person who's hardware is beyond their understanding giving all the signal of failure?
Just doesn’t work, although if your buying a thunderbolt device it usually costs 4x the price of the usb-c counterpart. So for the lay person that’s price sensitive you’ll rarely run into that issue.
Although it is an informative video, but the way to explain it caused more confusion. May I suggest maybe put it in more simpler terms? Maybe something like you have two identical looking car. One has has gas power engine, the other one is electric powered. They might look the same but functions differently. Or just say type C only describe the shape of the connector head and thunderbolt 3 describes the data transfer technology. Just a suggestion.
I already know everything about it, but after watching this video I'm just confused
I don't know if I learned something new or if the point of this was just to make me think I know nothing about something that I actually know
Thanks GamingScan.
When can we expect USB-D?
Great video, very informative. Well done!
The video didn't specifically talk about it, but I suppose by convention, since it's the same physical connector, that the pins (contacts) on the Thunderbolt and USB-C connectors are numbered the same. I'm curious though, is the power and signal pin-out the same for both? I mean, do they use the same power (+5)? Is the power and ground on the same pins? Are the data inputs and outputs on the same pins?
You don't need to pretend the video is good. It clearly is not. If you think the pins are numbered the same, why are you asking whether there are various differences? And if the video is as you say, "Great", "very informative" and "well done!" why do you have so many questions? What do you think the purpose of an informational video is? If an info video lacks info, it's not an info video. Calm down and find a better source of information.
C - Interface
Thunderbolt, DisplayPort, HDMI, USB - Protocol
Copper - Wire
Optical - Cable
"USB type A is still the most common type"
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Not a joke, but in the overall laptop/computer market, not very common. Less than 10%.
I suspect that micro USB is far more common than Type-C and probably more common than Type-A because of smartphones and all the other small devices in our day to day lives.
Thanks for the explanation
This video was a complete waste of my time. It made me more confused
4:28 the comparison actually starts.
Thunderbolt 3 is a hardware interface while usb C is what u call it. Explained it even better than the 10 seconds guy.
Do you mean that both use the same cord?
USB-C cables and Thunderbolt Cables fit in the same port, but the pinout is different. On a USB-C cable, one side has 12 pins and the other has none.
With thunderbolt cables, there is 12 pins on one side and 12 pins on the other side for a total of 24 pins.
Thank you for this informative video.