I bet the peasant Chinese army have a roll of mulberry paper & thread in some oxen cart ready to be folded & connected into the armour after every end of a battle!!! 😝🤣🤪😂😜
This paper armor was thrown together for testing purposes by inexperienced craftsmen. Imagine these paper tiles crafted and cured with a resin of sorts to make them more standardized and impermeable and you could have a beast of a combo: "lightweight", sturdy, replaceable, and cheap to craft and maintain. This is the same principle as Kevlar!!! Completely mind-blown.
I'm actually fairly sure it would work much better than it already did for them if they (or some company) would have made a thick tile/sheet of the fiber & binding stuff they used for paper at the time, instead of making a tile out of relatively thin sheets of paper like they did for this episode, why not just make something half a cm thick? or thicker? Obviously 'paper' like that would take a while to dry & would be even less flexible compared to the folded packages (but they could have accounted for that at the time with better/actual armor designs) but i also feel like it would be more durable if it has more opportunity to disperse energy along the direction of impact? 🤔
I actually think paper armor was usually made by inexperienced craftsmen cause that is it's main advantage. Armies in China were usually professionals though if needed though would marshall peasants as well. I think the paper armor would mainly be used for those peasant soldiers that are not very well trained to fight in heavy armor. Paper was actually used for clothing for quite a while so many would know how to maintain paper armor. However this was usually only done in emercancies when you needed to marshall an army very quickly. Paper armor is much easier to make by unskilled labor and again paper making for clothing and writing was common so you would have plenty of people experienced in it. Since paper armor is essentially disposable and likely won't last more than a single campaign it makes the most sense to use it for temporary soldiers.
@miguelg1716 HEY ARE YOU NOT WATCHING!!! SEEMS LIKE IMPORTANT DATA FLEW RIGHT THROUGH YOUR EMPTY BRAIN!!! THEY DID A CURED RESIN VERSION!!! THE ONLY THING ITS GOOD AT IS MAKE THE ARMOUR TOOOOO BRITTLE & MAKE THE ARMOUR DEADLY TO THE WEARER!!! Besides, the paper armour is made BY & FOR the peasant Chinese army!!! DO YOU REALY THINK THE COMMUNIST CHINESE WOULD EVEN CARE WASTE MONEY ON RESIN FOR THE PEASANT ARMY WHEN THEY WONT EVEN SPARE METAL ON THEM!!!
Paper actually has quite a bit of tensile strength. If you pick up a piece of paper and try to pull it apart it's difficult. It has low shear strength though.
I admit, even though paper performed better without any lacquer etc, I'm annoyed they went with straight paper, because there's no way paper armour wasn't lacquered or at least treated with some sort of waterproofing. It was a common naval armour, after all.
Not to mention that even european armor was never wore on its own! There was also garments like a gambson that greatly enchanced the defensive capabilities of the armor
@@franciscol3510 They did seem to have a padded coat underneath, which looks about the right thickness for a medieval European arming coat. No idea how faithful it is to the Chinese equivalent, though.
@@Cahirable Yes but they didn't use it for the testing, which I believe was a great disservice to paper armor. I was also kinda annoyed by the word ''paper armor'' because it felt too reductive but thankfully they cleared it out quickly. Overall I liked this episode a lot but there was a certain lack of expertise on this area
@Cahirable WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING!!! THIS CHINESE PAPER ARMOUR ARE NEVER FOR THE SEA!!! Based on the timeframe it's probably for wars between china & Mongolia or the /land based 3kingdom wars!!! And FYI!!! The elderly historian clearly said it's CHINESE not Japanese so there's ZERO NEED FOR IT TO BE NAVAL USE COMPATIBLE!!! The fact that they have this track n field test is because the armour IS FOR LAND BASED WAR!!!
even if not as strong as steel, they would still have made it as the army size was huge back in china and resources r scarce and the design allows it to replace only individual tiles that are damaged, instead of replacing the entire armor
Also steel requires access to iron ore, bloomeries and skilled smelters to turn it into iron, skilled blacksmiths to turn that iron into steel plates and then skilled armor makers to turn those steel plates into a full armor set. I think paper armor was used primarily if you had to do a mass recruitment and you needed to make a huge amount of armor very quickly. Paper making was considered a standard household craft as paper was used for clothing quite frequently in addition as a writing material. So you could marshal a huge army of peasants to make armor and then equip them. With metal armor you can't do that. You can't just marshal up blacksmiths, it takes decades of training so you are limited to the ones you have.
"the design allows it to replace only individual tiles that are damaged, instead of replacing the entire armor" - paper, leather and lacquered/waxed steel armor were all made with this design at the same time. It's not unique to paper armor, which was typically only used in urban environments for light use against small weapons but was essentially useless against large weapons in a full blown military battle. They stopped using paper armor and no one else ever used it for an important reason - it was inferior. But paper armor is better than no armor and you make do with what you can to spare resources until conditions improve.
I really like this show because it is just practical science. They measure the blast underwater with sensors to find out if the field manual is correct or not. The thing here is that the author of the field manual is not a scientist, the author is the survivor.
It seems to me the obvious issue about the underwater explosion myth isnt how deep you are, but rather what proportion of your body (and especially chest) is in contact with water, and will therefore experience the shockwave. In both submerged or treading water, 100% of your chest cavity is submerged. Whereas floating on your back, its only maybe a little over 50%. Since the shockwave is so much more intense through water than through the air above, shouldnt this make a pretty big difference? I dont think they were wrong, but I think what they did is a comparatively unintuitive way to tell the story
I guess they had heard about rain and might've added oil to the top layers of the paper. :) But it's a nice idea because I'm an archer and shooting mats are heavy, expensive and takes time to have delivered, while newspaper is everywhere. I'm gonna try that.
Just a hypotetical scenario: What if you explode a device inside complite sealed area. Meaning if you have a stick of dynamite and put it in a barrel that simply wont break, then what would happen. Would there be a massive preassure in the chamber or does the little amount of air make the boom be smaller?
There would be pressure. If an explosive chemical is used which undergoes a reaction, such as rapid decomposition, where parts of the explosive molecule detach and become gas at high rate. Or if you use mixture of explosive fuel and oxidiser. The little amount of air is negligible.
Testing the agility and endurance of the armour with untrained people is a bit... unfair. For a trained soldier am additional weight won't make as much a difference than its making for an untrained person
when i was briefly part of a hema group (historical european martial arts) the other members ordered a lot of their amour and weapons from a ukrainian company. they had a lot of good things to say about the quality of their work.
Lamellar armor was also used around early medieval times, and there's a good number of historical reenactors for that time period in Europe. There's a market so business steps up.
This episode felt more in line with their OG episodes. Like S4/5 stuff. It had that "pzazz" that made me fall in love with the show while learning new things when I first saw it. Later seasons IMO kind of lost that charm.
Aloha guys. It is no myth that a coxswain who doesn't attach their vessel kill switch to themselves get run over by their own vessel should they go overboard.
So ancient peoples are not dumb (worldwide). There is are other reason or two why they didn't use paper. One is economic, paper is for administration and produce the amount you need for amour would be very pricey and more important Gambeson. you could do the same with cheap fabric.
The armor test should have been done by actually atheltic people to simulate the trained soldiers wearing them, it coudl just be that steel ist just a bit to heavy for common folk
The other thing with paper armour is that a sheet of modern steel is probably much stronger than almost any pre-19th-century steel. Historic steels would typically have been either softer or more brittle.
"data" ARE a plural? :D Actually, "data" is a pain-in-the-butt word. Everyone says "data is", and some complain, but everyone also says "social media is", and no one complains. We talk of having "too much data", and no one complains, because "too many data" sounds absurd. IMHO, we should just resign "data" to be considered an uncountable noun that takes singular verbs (like "media" already is). It sounds more natural, because "data" is considered equivalent to the uncountable "information".
Credited as ArmStreet, who are still around, still based in Ukraine (with offices around the world) and providing all your LARP-ing and other needs where costumes and armour may be needed, apparently :)
That's like the word "mischievous" for me. It's pronounced "mis-chiv-us" not "mis-chee-vee-us" since the root word is "mischief." You don't pronounce that "mis-cheef" even though it's spelled that way. English is dumb, and I don't speak any other languages 😂
Paper armour may not be as durable, but I also suspect it's a lot easier to repair... or at least less specialized.
I bet the peasant Chinese army have a roll of mulberry paper & thread in some oxen cart ready to be folded & connected into the armour after every end of a battle!!!
😝🤣🤪😂😜
This paper armor was thrown together for testing purposes by inexperienced craftsmen. Imagine these paper tiles crafted and cured with a resin of sorts to make them more standardized and impermeable and you could have a beast of a combo: "lightweight", sturdy, replaceable, and cheap to craft and maintain. This is the same principle as Kevlar!!! Completely mind-blown.
I'm actually fairly sure it would work much better than it already did for them if they (or some company) would have made a thick tile/sheet of the fiber & binding stuff they used for paper at the time, instead of making a tile out of relatively thin sheets of paper like they did for this episode, why not just make something half a cm thick? or thicker?
Obviously 'paper' like that would take a while to dry & would be even less flexible compared to the folded packages (but they could have accounted for that at the time with better/actual armor designs) but i also feel like it would be more durable if it has more opportunity to disperse energy along the direction of impact? 🤔
I actually think paper armor was usually made by inexperienced craftsmen cause that is it's main advantage. Armies in China were usually professionals though if needed though would marshall peasants as well. I think the paper armor would mainly be used for those peasant soldiers that are not very well trained to fight in heavy armor. Paper was actually used for clothing for quite a while so many would know how to maintain paper armor. However this was usually only done in emercancies when you needed to marshall an army very quickly. Paper armor is much easier to make by unskilled labor and again paper making for clothing and writing was common so you would have plenty of people experienced in it.
Since paper armor is essentially disposable and likely won't last more than a single campaign it makes the most sense to use it for temporary soldiers.
@miguelg1716 HEY ARE YOU NOT WATCHING!!! SEEMS LIKE IMPORTANT DATA FLEW RIGHT THROUGH YOUR EMPTY BRAIN!!!
THEY DID A CURED RESIN VERSION!!!
THE ONLY THING ITS GOOD AT IS MAKE THE ARMOUR TOOOOO BRITTLE & MAKE THE ARMOUR DEADLY TO THE WEARER!!!
Besides, the paper armour is made BY & FOR the peasant Chinese army!!!
DO YOU REALY THINK THE COMMUNIST CHINESE WOULD EVEN CARE WASTE MONEY ON RESIN FOR THE PEASANT ARMY WHEN THEY WONT EVEN SPARE METAL ON THEM!!!
Paper actually has quite a bit of tensile strength. If you pick up a piece of paper and try to pull it apart it's difficult. It has low shear strength though.
I admit, even though paper performed better without any lacquer etc, I'm annoyed they went with straight paper, because there's no way paper armour wasn't lacquered or at least treated with some sort of waterproofing. It was a common naval armour, after all.
What a shame you weren’t a Mythbuster!
Not to mention that even european armor was never wore on its own! There was also garments like a gambson that greatly enchanced the defensive capabilities of the armor
@@franciscol3510 They did seem to have a padded coat underneath, which looks about the right thickness for a medieval European arming coat. No idea how faithful it is to the Chinese equivalent, though.
@@Cahirable Yes but they didn't use it for the testing, which I believe was a great disservice to paper armor. I was also kinda annoyed by the word ''paper armor'' because it felt too reductive but thankfully they cleared it out quickly. Overall I liked this episode a lot but there was a certain lack of expertise on this area
@Cahirable WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING!!!
THIS CHINESE PAPER ARMOUR ARE NEVER FOR THE SEA!!! Based on the timeframe it's probably for wars between china & Mongolia or the /land based 3kingdom wars!!!
And FYI!!! The elderly historian clearly said it's CHINESE not Japanese so there's ZERO NEED FOR IT TO BE NAVAL USE COMPATIBLE!!!
The fact that they have this track n field test is because the armour IS FOR LAND BASED WAR!!!
Finally, the paper armor episode!
Amazing just how well the paper armour held up. They threw everything at it and the only drawback is that it doesn't last as long. How cool!
26:04 that bonk 😂
even if not as strong as steel, they would still have made it as the army size was huge back in china and resources r scarce
and the design allows it to replace only individual tiles that are damaged, instead of replacing the entire armor
Also steel requires access to iron ore, bloomeries and skilled smelters to turn it into iron, skilled blacksmiths to turn that iron into steel plates and then skilled armor makers to turn those steel plates into a full armor set. I think paper armor was used primarily if you had to do a mass recruitment and you needed to make a huge amount of armor very quickly. Paper making was considered a standard household craft as paper was used for clothing quite frequently in addition as a writing material. So you could marshal a huge army of peasants to make armor and then equip them.
With metal armor you can't do that. You can't just marshal up blacksmiths, it takes decades of training so you are limited to the ones you have.
"the design allows it to replace only individual tiles that are damaged, instead of replacing the entire armor" - paper, leather and lacquered/waxed steel armor were all made with this design at the same time. It's not unique to paper armor, which was typically only used in urban environments for light use against small weapons but was essentially useless against large weapons in a full blown military battle. They stopped using paper armor and no one else ever used it for an important reason - it was inferior. But paper armor is better than no armor and you make do with what you can to spare resources until conditions improve.
I was absolutely impressed with the paper armor!
the lovely lad with the period gun looks pretty badass, like "f#ck with the older man, get shot with the older gun" ^^
"another 6 inches..." "it's in!" Ah yes, I heard that before
Ah, you're a proctologist?
Wait a second - they don’t just tell the myths?!
No, they put them to the test.
No they dont!
I really like this show because it is just practical science. They measure the blast underwater with sensors to find out if the field manual is correct or not. The thing here is that the author of the field manual is not a scientist, the author is the survivor.
26:03 Great catch Tori!
Great episode!
I remember watching this on TV WAYYYY back.
Nostalgia
It seems to me the obvious issue about the underwater explosion myth isnt how deep you are, but rather what proportion of your body (and especially chest) is in contact with water, and will therefore experience the shockwave. In both submerged or treading water, 100% of your chest cavity is submerged. Whereas floating on your back, its only maybe a little over 50%. Since the shockwave is so much more intense through water than through the air above, shouldnt this make a pretty big difference? I dont think they were wrong, but I think what they did is a comparatively unintuitive way to tell the story
I guess they had heard about rain and might've added oil to the top layers of the paper. :) But it's a nice idea because I'm an archer and shooting mats are heavy, expensive and takes time to have delivered, while newspaper is everywhere. I'm gonna try that.
The paper armor works pretty well.
Just a hypotetical scenario: What if you explode a device inside complite sealed area. Meaning if you have a stick of dynamite and put it in a barrel that simply wont break, then what would happen. Would there be a massive preassure in the chamber or does the little amount of air make the boom be smaller?
There would be pressure.
If an explosive chemical is used which undergoes a reaction, such as rapid decomposition, where parts of the explosive molecule detach and become gas at high rate.
Or if you use mixture of explosive fuel and oxidiser. The little amount of air is negligible.
Testing the agility and endurance of the armour with untrained people is a bit... unfair. For a trained soldier am additional weight won't make as much a difference than its making for an untrained person
it's about paper armor, but i gotta say, the metal armor they got made for this looked so cool
I am guessing that paper armor would be lot quicker to make then metal armor if you need to get equipment in preparation of getting besieged.
"Armor company from Ukraine". As Ukrainian I am flabbergasted.
The company is ArmStreet, who are still around today and apparently doing well.
when i was briefly part of a hema group (historical european martial arts) the other members ordered a lot of their amour and weapons from a ukrainian company. they had a lot of good things to say about the quality of their work.
Lamellar armor was also used around early medieval times, and there's a good number of historical reenactors for that time period in Europe. There's a market so business steps up.
I feel like part of the emergy gets lowered ("dampened") because of the earths gravitation and water weight on top of the blast...
20:28 unrelated but with that shirt design Tori almost looks like a Kaizer's Orchestra fan. Lol
Ahhh another episode to watch tonight, nice :)
This episode felt more in line with their OG episodes. Like S4/5 stuff. It had that "pzazz" that made me fall in love with the show while learning new things when I first saw it. Later seasons IMO kind of lost that charm.
24:49 It's moments like this that I really enjoy in Mythbusters 😄
Can we even call that stuff paper? lol. Looks like proper cloth.
everyone so excited about paper armor, but wha about the bonk of the safty bouyant donut thrown at tory? and the like 15 times it was played back? 🤣
Could’ve gotten him a giant pair of scissors, but he would have needed the Kill la Kill outfit to go with them.
Soooo…. can we all agree that they don’t just tell the myths?
How much paper do you need to make a modern bulletproof bomb-suit out of it, and would it still be somewhat handy
Aloha guys. It is no myth that a coxswain who doesn't attach their vessel kill switch to themselves get run over by their own vessel should they go overboard.
Grant had good sense of humour! On par or even better than Adams.
And a surprisingly good Tim Gunn impression.
24:30
Holdup, what in the f-
So ancient peoples are not dumb (worldwide). There is are other reason or two why they didn't use paper. One is economic, paper is for administration and produce the amount you need for amour would be very pricey and more important Gambeson. you could do the same with cheap fabric.
The armor test should have been done by actually atheltic people to simulate the trained soldiers wearing them, it coudl just be that steel ist just a bit to heavy for common folk
Why does nobody watch the original channel😢
The other thing with paper armour is that a sheet of modern steel is probably much stronger than almost any pre-19th-century steel. Historic steels would typically have been either softer or more brittle.
I never thought explosions cause more damage in deep water than in shallow water, I thought high pressure from deep water can act like armor.
Running while wearing jeans... sorry but I have to say this... NERDS!
WOwwowowowowowow
'data' is a plural.
"data" ARE a plural? :D Actually, "data" is a pain-in-the-butt word. Everyone says "data is", and some complain, but everyone also says "social media is", and no one complains. We talk of having "too much data", and no one complains, because "too many data" sounds absurd. IMHO, we should just resign "data" to be considered an uncountable noun that takes singular verbs (like "media" already is). It sounds more natural, because "data" is considered equivalent to the uncountable "information".
Don't forget that data is pronounced data, not data. I hate people who pronounce data wrong. 😂😂😂😂
@@rnts08 Me, too; I particularly used to hate it when people pronounced the Star Trek character Data's name as "Data". Didn't they watch the show?
Holy shit, the armor was from Ukraine! 😮
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By the way, "buoy" rhymes with "toy", not "phooey." Think of the concept of buoyancy and how you would pronounce that, if you're not sure.
That's like the word "mischievous" for me. It's pronounced "mis-chiv-us" not "mis-chee-vee-us" since the root word is "mischief." You don't pronounce that "mis-cheef" even though it's spelled that way.
English is dumb, and I don't speak any other languages 😂
@@CountPantsulon It's simpler than that - it isn't pronounced "mis-chee-vee-us" because that would require the last five letters to be "v-i-o-u-s".