Hi Jack. The ruins at 11:03 was a milking parlor which I observed in operation as a child. Re the area, in the mid 20th century the government planned to build a nuclear power station on the Hamstead estate whilst C. R. H. Kindersley was the owner. Kindersley was keen to 'cash in' as unbeknown to the locals his finances were in difficulty. His tenant farming rents were low and the land on offer not great so tenancies changed often and in debt. Wealthier residents within the local communities were raising money to purchase the land when Kindersley realising that the fee probably wouldn't be met (and that a forced purchase may happen to the villagers in any case) suddenly gifted the land to the National Trust for a token fee. Few locals will have known this but our family nursed the farm manager during his last years and who had much to say of what happened up at Hamstead house. As a family we were involved with farming the creek area area but not as a tenant of Kindersley. Regarding the brickworks on the quayside you may want to research John James Lindsay who was son of a the later Hamstead Quay brickworks owner named George Lindsay. John, disillusioned the prospect of life on Hamstead creek emigrated to the USA at 21 years of age and settled in New York where he went on to have family producing a grandson John Lindsay, who became Mayor of New York in 1966. We had this information pre internet but should all be available online now. Corfe Camp on the Newtown side of Shalfleet creek was also gifted in a similar (but slightly later) move to Kindersley but to the scouts, with a covenant that it could never be sold. A pincer movement in protecting the area against complete devastation. Keep up the good work.
You sir are a Gent, thank you very much for that information, that's exactly what I was looking for. To your knowledge, we're there any other maps made that depicted the tramway other than the one shown in this video? All the best 👍
Nice video Sir, I had a holiday on the Isle of Wight many years ago when the trains went through to Ventnor. Very informative many thanks. Regards. Andrew.
Fascinating bit of research; I know Newtown Creek, and the Hampstead trail, but the tramway is new to me. My guess is that, at that early a date, it could possibly have had stone sleeper blocks, which could then be reused as building material. That piece of rail you found looks pretty light, compared to standard gauge track, suggesting it came from a tramway or industrial line of some sort - but not, perhaps, the Hamstead line. We're unlikely to ever know, now.
Great video and such glorious weather to be out and filming. I'm wondering if the tracks and footpaths you were walking on were in fact the route used for the tramways? The area wasn't busy enough to need separate tramways so just upgrading and laying tracks on what was there already would make more sense and save a fortune on seperate trackbed construction. I also wonder how much railway/tramway there was at Shide Chalkpit as I remember seeing tracks there when we went there as kids - over 40 years ago now...
Thank you! And thanks for your comment. Yes I believe the tramway did follow where the lane now exists to some degree on the southern loop, though the Hamstead historical farm records state Hamstead drive was built before the tramway to allow access to the estate, so the tramway must have run along side it. Shide chalkpit is an interesting one, I'm not sure if any rails are left still but I do know the track used to run through a tunnel and joined the Sandown to Newport line just north of Shide Station. We have an episode on the line on our channel if you are interested 🙂 all the best 👍
@@WightWanderer I remember seeing your video mentioning Shide but this one got me thinking if there were non-railway lines there... also, the lost brickworks on the Cowes-Newport line you mentioned were close to railway lines so I wonder if they had tramways too?
@@gthbtn Perhaps, though I think the lines at Shide pit all linked to the sidings at Shide station and were Standard gauge, the trucks being propelled by gravity down through the tunnel to the sidings, may be wrong though. I know there was a tramway at the cement mills on the Cowes line which used to run under the railway to a clay pit the other side. Unfortunately getting access to that area would be difficult now as there's a big energy factory thing in the way. All the best 🙂👍
@@gthbtn From old photographs I've seen the rails did go into the Shide pit; they had a couple of early Ruston steam navvies as well, which may have been railroad shovels. Equally, they could have had crawler tracks, but many early navvies were railway mounted. I've walked the tunnel, and explored the pit, but there are no rails left thenre now.
Finally got here.. Thanks Jack ❤
@@quizzerx1 hi Pete, many thanks 👍
Hi Jack. The ruins at 11:03 was a milking parlor which I observed in operation as a child. Re the area, in the mid 20th century the government planned to build a nuclear power station on the Hamstead estate whilst C. R. H. Kindersley was the owner. Kindersley was keen to 'cash in' as unbeknown to the locals his finances were in difficulty. His tenant farming rents were low and the land on offer not great so tenancies changed often and in debt. Wealthier residents within the local communities were raising money to purchase the land when Kindersley realising that the fee probably wouldn't be met (and that a forced purchase may happen to the villagers in any case) suddenly gifted the land to the National Trust for a token fee.
Few locals will have known this but our family nursed the farm manager during his last years and who had much to say of what happened up at Hamstead house. As a family we were involved with farming the creek area area but not as a tenant of Kindersley.
Regarding the brickworks on the quayside you may want to research John James Lindsay who was son of a the later Hamstead Quay brickworks owner named George Lindsay. John, disillusioned the prospect of life on Hamstead creek emigrated to the USA at 21 years of age and settled in New York where he went on to have family producing a grandson John Lindsay, who became Mayor of New York in 1966. We had this information pre internet but should all be available online now.
Corfe Camp on the Newtown side of Shalfleet creek was also gifted in a similar (but slightly later) move to Kindersley but to the scouts, with a covenant that it could never be sold. A pincer movement in protecting the area against complete devastation.
Keep up the good work.
You sir are a Gent, thank you very much for that information, that's exactly what I was looking for.
To your knowledge, we're there any other maps made that depicted the tramway other than the one shown in this video? All the best 👍
Brilliant
@@mark7218 thank you Mark 😊
Is it possibly when the tramway closed that the rails were reused on the Shalfleet brickworks nearby
Nice video Sir, I had a holiday on the Isle of Wight many years ago when the trains went through to Ventnor. Very informative many thanks. Regards. Andrew.
Thank you Andrew. Sounds like a great memory, I could only wish to be able to remember such a time. All the best 🙂👍
Fascinating Jack; I have walked Hamstead several times and never heard of a Tramway
Thank you! It is certainly a beautiful place to walk 😊
Thanks for sharing. 💙🧶🌈🍓
Thanks Jenny 🙂
Fascinating bit of research; I know Newtown Creek, and the Hampstead trail, but the tramway is new to me. My guess is that, at that early a date, it could possibly have had stone sleeper blocks, which could then be reused as building material. That piece of rail you found looks pretty light, compared to standard gauge track, suggesting it came from a tramway or industrial line of some sort - but not, perhaps, the Hamstead line. We're unlikely to ever know, now.
Thank you John! And thanks for the suggestion 🙂👍
Fascinating video as always from you Jack.
@@tomwoolgar4575 thank you, very kind of you to say 😊
Great video and such glorious weather to be out and filming. I'm wondering if the tracks and footpaths you were walking on were in fact the route used for the tramways? The area wasn't busy enough to need separate tramways so just upgrading and laying tracks on what was there already would make more sense and save a fortune on seperate trackbed construction. I also wonder how much railway/tramway there was at Shide Chalkpit as I remember seeing tracks there when we went there as kids - over 40 years ago now...
Thank you! And thanks for your comment. Yes I believe the tramway did follow where the lane now exists to some degree on the southern loop, though the Hamstead historical farm records state Hamstead drive was built before the tramway to allow access to the estate, so the tramway must have run along side it.
Shide chalkpit is an interesting one, I'm not sure if any rails are left still but I do know the track used to run through a tunnel and joined the Sandown to Newport line just north of Shide Station.
We have an episode on the line on our channel if you are interested 🙂 all the best 👍
@@WightWanderer I remember seeing your video mentioning Shide but this one got me thinking if there were non-railway lines there... also, the lost brickworks on the Cowes-Newport line you mentioned were close to railway lines so I wonder if they had tramways too?
@@gthbtn Perhaps, though I think the lines at Shide pit all linked to the sidings at Shide station and were Standard gauge, the trucks being propelled by gravity down through the tunnel to the sidings, may be wrong though.
I know there was a tramway at the cement mills on the Cowes line which used to run under the railway to a clay pit the other side. Unfortunately getting access to that area would be difficult now as there's a big energy factory thing in the way.
All the best 🙂👍
@@gthbtn From old photographs I've seen the rails did go into the Shide pit; they had a couple of early Ruston steam navvies as well, which may have been railroad shovels. Equally, they could have had crawler tracks, but many early navvies were railway mounted. I've walked the tunnel, and explored the pit, but there are no rails left thenre now.