Folks, if they keep giving Crosby these horrible teams I might have to smuggle him out MYSELF! What are YOUR thoughts on the Penguins start to the season? Are you disappointed, or were you expecting this? And how do YOU think they can turn it around? Let me know! #GravGang
@@scooter29 rangers fan. Tbf tho we were gifted first overall pick in 2020 and got lucky in 2019 but it’s still crazy how the pens Blackhawks and oilers get generational after generational talent like that.
IMO Sullivan should have been fired after their poor start last year. Something needs to change. That’s the next domino. After that we go from there. As a pens fan I feel so happy I was able to get to see some cups with this team. I’m 31 so I was born during the initial run but most of my life was seeing horrible teams. And sadly it’s now back to that, even with 87 and 71 still here.
Pens are basically taking the same path as the Sharks, they're just like 3 years behind. Kudos to EK65 for coming in to help expedite the nosedive, strange that he hasn't made the playoffs once since demanding that huge contract.
Having EK is better than having those horrendous long term contracts we had before. Trading for EK eradicated those which would have hurt us more in the long run, even tho it’s going to suck anyways
Pens need to tear it down and get some value for their stars while there’s some left! Time to rebuild! The core is aging and far from where they once were.
The two maybe three previous GMs don't under the cap. Always traded for "now" and when trading away so many draft picks, the Pens have had very few cheap young players on the ELCs. Just so many "iffy" cap players on the team, and too many declining vets.
Couldn’t happen to a better GM. As a Leafs fan, I couldn’t stand Dubas. I always believed Hunter should have succeeded Uncle Lou. I knew this team was going to tailspin when they went after Karlsson. He was not what they needed.
The EK trade was a huge mistake because they needed a solid defenceman in front of jarry, not a sieve. To top it off, they gave up a first to get him. I said this at the time along with the fact that the core 3 were always going to decline so why try to 'win now?' Why? because dubas always wants to make himself look good now.
The Penguins core players are old, soft, and have tuned out Sullivan. Their defense and goaltending has been below average for 5 years now. They haven't won playoff round since 2018. I see no reason to believe this isn't just who they are.
Being from and still living in Pittsburgh and following this team since 1982 They need to Fire Pens Head Coach Mike Sullivan. And i been saying that for 2 years now!
Karlsson has 4 season out of 11 that he has been a plus player. His 101 point season he was a -26. He is a career -106. He has always been trash in his own end it looks like a great trade by DUBASS.
This is the result of the Pens focusing on nothing but picking up Forwards every off season and the fans were fine with it until this result . Bench Letang . He is horrible and forgot how to play Defense . Letang is on the ice for almost all goals against and is usually the one getting burned for the goal .
Dubas is in such a bad spot because Pittsburg with Crosby malkin letang etc are gonna be mediocre. He has to try and keep winning with a older core so they’ll be stuck in the middle until the veterans retire, then start a rebuild anyways
I love Sully for what hes done in Pittsburgh but at this point we just have to admit we have a missmatch between our roster and our coaching. Sullivan THRIVED off of that fast, aggressive, and driven team, and I think a lot of coaches would have done well, but he found ways to make that team play great hockey and we obviously had some great runs. The speed is gone and idk if Sully really has the tools to help the team cope with that. The thing is this absolutely COULD have been a team that Sully would have done great with, but we started trading every young player to ever don a Penguins uniform for a bunch of guys that are closer to retiring than they are to playing good hockey.
as a Penguins fan its sad to see but it was obvious this was coming management needed to rebuild after that playoff loss to the Rangers. Cant stay on top forever wish we could get sid and geno one more playoff run but doesn't look like it can happen
Bro we lost again !! We suck 😭 It's not the goalies fault, you could play Igor behind that defense and he would give up 4 a night It's Sullivan and the defense plus the lack of Gunetzel or Geuntzel replacement
not that much, hextall killed any chance they had of contending by trading away mccann, marino, and matheson. then also trading for petry and granlund who needed to be dumped
@@TheBillaro The 1st wasn't going to help the Penguins anytime soon. Getting rid of all their bad contracts for the current Norris winner was the correct move. If you think the Penguins would be any better with Petry and Granlund I have a bridge to sell you
@ Oh i didn't say they were better with them, but now that you mention it the pens got fewer points with your norris winner than without. fact. a first takes 2-3 years generally, we are one year into that first's waiting period. So it would come good either next year or the year after. EK on the other hand has been a flop. trust me. i watched dubas give away toronto's firsts for six years and what have they to show for it? jake mcabe. look it up.
It’s even worse of a trade when you look at what the sharks got for him! Dickinson’s going to be a stud for a long time. Rutta’s been mehhh, but it’s really that cap dump throw in that you guys sent to us. That’s the cream of the crop of that trade 60 points and 66 games last year 13 points and 11 games this year not bad for throw in cap dump!!!
@robertevans00 Granlund is also looking like a stud for the Sharks and now they can even trade him for more value at the trade deadline. Penguins got fleeced.
Is this a surprise to anybody you're not paying attention. The moment the contracts for 35, 71 and 58 were signed, the Penguin's ...and Sid's... fate was sealed.
I agree on everything besides the fact that you said crosbys defense HAS been on a decline when last season he had selke votes and led the league in faceoff % also had a really decent +\-. ANOTHER THING BRYAN RUST HAS BEEN HORRIBLE?!?!?!Love the vids but you clearly dont watch the games.
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Maybe Crosby took less money on his contract to make it easier for him to be traded in the future. He probably knows this team is a trash heap. I wanna see an NHL where Sid is traded to the Avs to play with McKinnon, make it happen Dubas, you know you want to.
But Penguins fans said it was good for Crosby to sign an extension. Were they only considering their own best interests while ignoring what’s best for Sidney, which would be to play for a contender, and what’s best for the team, which is to rebuild?
Exactly. I was saying this the whole time and people called me crazy. Respect to Crosby for being loyal, but it’s to a fault. He deserves to finish his career really competing with a different team
Look at how they played when bylsma was on his way out. It’s the same thing especially with Sid. Sullivan has been there too long and the message is dead. They should’ve fired him after the 3-1 blown lead against the rangers. For some reason Fenway sports group loves Sullivan and won’t let him go
Wouldn’t mind seeing some good young prospects for once. Pittsburgh didn’t do a good job in keeping this team good. Trading away picks and young players for “win now” players that didn’t work out. Should have rebuilt a little bit sooner. Maybe Sid and Geno would have had a real young good team this year. And then when they retire, it wouldn’t be so horrible with very little prospects.
Every team has a period of time that they are bad. It is the Penguins' time. How well they draft in the next 3 years will determine how fast the rebuild will be. Dubas is probably the worst GM for this effort.
I wish people could understand that this is a good thing! The pens aren't winning the cup again with this core. We all know it. It's over. You should WANT them to get that high first rount pick to get that future first line center.
Well Nashville doesn't seem to do much better, even when they put all in money-wise to have a star-filled team ready for The Cup. Hockey just doesn't work like that - it doesn't matter what names you have in your team, what matters if they can PLAY as a TEAM. We have seen this time and time again that usually the strongest teams are the ones without any of those so called "stars".
Respect Gravi's Take... but firing Sullivan does nothing for you! You fire your coach if you give em the necessary pieces... and they don't perform like Woodcroft in Edmonton or Ruff in New Jersey... and Sulli's hasn't been given the pieces to perform... and lack the speed to cover the mistakes caused by lack of skills! Either you mutually part ways... or you fire him not to win with the next guy... but to officially start your rebuild & bring in your young coach that will sink or swim through the rebuilding years like Blashill sank in Detroit, St-Louis is currently sinking in Montreal & young Bednar sank bad at first... but then succeded in Colorado!
Sully lost the locker room. Bench Letang and maybe sid even if it hurts. What should the others players think if he still plays even though he's completely off track
Karlsson has never been even average on defense. Undeserving of his Norris trophies. But this isn’t news. The rest of team is no longer good enough to overcome karlssons defense. It’s time to embrace youth. Move Glass to the first line, and start making trades.
Only 1 point out of the basement in the NHL standings. The most shots allowed per game and the most goals against per game. Stick a fork in them. Team is 🗑️🗑️🗑️
I don't know what goes on in an NHL locker room, but it sounds like Pittsburgh is a team with good players, but not a good team. Blackhawks faced this issue for several years after they won their Stanley Cups and delayed a full rebuild until 19 and 88's contracts were expiring. And that was after Stan Bowman was replaced by GM Kyle Davidson, who seems more competent. Pittsburgh's front office can delay the inevitable rebuild for only so long.
At this point, I don't really care if the Pens get into the playoffs. I'm fairly confident they won't. All I want is for Crosby to break the PPG record. Which I think he will do. He's in a slump right now, but he had quite a slump last year too and still managed to drag himself, and his team, within one point of a playoff spot. So I'm not too worried about him.
Folks, if they keep giving Crosby these horrible teams I might have to smuggle him out MYSELF! What are YOUR thoughts on the Penguins start to the season? Are you disappointed, or were you expecting this? And how do YOU think they can turn it around? Let me know! #GravGang
Crosby is going to regress this season. He is a non-factor 5 on 5.
It’s gonna get ugly in Pittsburgh.
Crosby is an old has been . He's worn out and finished up .
Don't worry Pens fans, you'll probably win another generational talent in Landon DuPont as is tradition when the Pens fall off for a season or two.
Yup and they’ll also get Gavin McKenna conveniently right after getting Crosby right after getting lemieux.
Sound like people who are jealous of the Pens success. Must be loaf fans.
that's how their franchise works
Lol
@@scooter29 rangers fan. Tbf tho we were gifted first overall pick in 2020 and got lucky in 2019 but it’s still crazy how the pens Blackhawks and oilers get generational after generational talent like that.
IMO Sullivan should have been fired after their poor start last year. Something needs to change. That’s the next domino. After that we go from there. As a pens fan I feel so happy I was able to get to see some cups with this team. I’m 31 so I was born during the initial run but most of my life was seeing horrible teams. And sadly it’s now back to that, even with 87 and 71 still here.
Problem Dubas really can't do that he's really tight with fenway sports apperently
Should’ve been fired after the 2022 post season
Dude you hit the lottery 3 cups. Boo hoo
@@mrfake675fr bro saw his team go 3/4 in the finals
@@bruinsroll8359 exactly. I'm 0/2 in my life as an Oilers fan.
Pens are basically taking the same path as the Sharks, they're just like 3 years behind. Kudos to EK65 for coming in to help expedite the nosedive, strange that he hasn't made the playoffs once since demanding that huge contract.
San Jose made the playoffs his first year there in 18-19
@DJTwooJays Yea, he was still on his contract from OTT that year. Wasn't until the following summer that he bent DW over on the huge 8 year deal.
Having EK is better than having those horrendous long term contracts we had before. Trading for EK eradicated those which would have hurt us more in the long run, even tho it’s going to suck anyways
They are almost 40 what do u expect.
Exactly. Core is aging out and guys like Sid and Malkin can no longer do the heavy lifting. They have no good young talent to help them out.
Ovi is older than them all and look at Washington
Rebuild should have started at least 2 years ago
I am a penguins fan. They should’ve traded everybody, including Crosby. It’s time for a rebuild.
I'm a Pens fan as well, but something has to be done! They just can't seem to keep the lead. We'll see what kind of changes, if any, come.
Pens need to tear it down and get some value for their stars while there’s some left! Time to rebuild! The core is aging and far from where they once were.
The two maybe three previous GMs don't under the cap. Always traded for "now" and when trading away so many draft picks, the Pens have had very few cheap young players on the ELCs. Just so many "iffy" cap players on the team, and too many declining vets.
Couldn’t happen to a better GM. As a Leafs fan, I couldn’t stand Dubas. I always believed Hunter should have succeeded Uncle Lou. I knew this team was going to tailspin when they went after Karlsson. He was not what they needed.
Sullivan should’ve been fired years ago.
The EK trade was a huge mistake because they needed a solid defenceman in front of jarry, not a sieve. To top it off, they gave up a first to get him. I said this at the time along with the fact that the core 3 were always going to decline so why try to 'win now?' Why? because dubas always wants to make himself look good now.
The Penguins core players are old, soft, and have tuned out Sullivan. Their defense and goaltending has been below average for 5 years now. They haven't won playoff round since 2018. I see no reason to believe this isn't just who they are.
Sid realized he was playing on an AHL team the entire time. His back was broken carrying them last year. I don't see it turning around.
Being from and still living in Pittsburgh and following this team since 1982 They need to Fire Pens Head Coach Mike Sullivan. And i been saying that for 2 years now!
Karlsson has 4 season out of 11 that he has been a plus player. His 101 point season he was a -26. He is a career -106. He has always been trash in his own end it looks like a great trade by DUBASS.
This is the result of the Pens focusing on nothing but picking up Forwards every off season and the fans were fine with it until this result . Bench Letang . He is horrible and forgot how to play Defense . Letang is on the ice for almost all goals against and is usually the one getting burned for the goal .
at least we can finally have a chance in the draft lottery this year. we need first round picks badly
Real.
Dubas is in such a bad spot because Pittsburg with Crosby malkin letang etc are gonna be mediocre. He has to try and keep winning with a older core so they’ll be stuck in the middle until the veterans retire, then start a rebuild anyways
They are close to the bottom of the league. Worse than mediocre.
I love Sully for what hes done in Pittsburgh but at this point we just have to admit we have a missmatch between our roster and our coaching. Sullivan THRIVED off of that fast, aggressive, and driven team, and I think a lot of coaches would have done well, but he found ways to make that team play great hockey and we obviously had some great runs. The speed is gone and idk if Sully really has the tools to help the team cope with that. The thing is this absolutely COULD have been a team that Sully would have done great with, but we started trading every young player to ever don a Penguins uniform for a bunch of guys that are closer to retiring than they are to playing good hockey.
as a Penguins fan its sad to see but it was obvious this was coming management needed to rebuild after that playoff loss to the Rangers. Cant stay on top forever wish we could get sid and geno one more playoff run but doesn't look like it can happen
Shoulda rebuilt after the islanders lost when Jarry gave it away.
Bro we lost again !! We suck 😭
It's not the goalies fault, you could play Igor behind that defense and he would give up 4 a night
It's Sullivan and the defense plus the lack of Gunetzel or Geuntzel replacement
to what extent is Dubas responsible for this mess?
not that much, hextall killed any chance they had of contending by trading away mccann, marino, and matheson. then also trading for petry and granlund who needed to be dumped
@@ldink756 why did they need to dump petry and granlund? Was it so urgent that a first had to be spent to get rid of them?
@@TheBillaro The 1st wasn't going to help the Penguins anytime soon. Getting rid of all their bad contracts for the current Norris winner was the correct move. If you think the Penguins would be any better with Petry and Granlund I have a bridge to sell you
@ Oh i didn't say they were better with them, but now that you mention it the pens got fewer points with your norris winner than without. fact.
a first takes 2-3 years generally, we are one year into that first's waiting period. So it would come good either next year or the year after. EK on the other hand has been a flop.
trust me. i watched dubas give away toronto's firsts for six years and what have they to show for it? jake mcabe. look it up.
@@TheBillaro Oh you're a Toronto fan. I get it now
The problem starts with G and ends with M🤷🏻♂️😂
Getting Karlson was a mistake. They should have dealt Crosby last trade deadline. They would have gotten a boatload of assets. Time to reuild.
It’s even worse of a trade when you look at what the sharks got for him! Dickinson’s going to be a stud for a long time. Rutta’s been mehhh, but it’s really that cap dump throw in that you guys sent to us. That’s the cream of the crop of that trade 60 points and 66 games last year 13 points and 11 games this year not bad for throw in cap dump!!!
@robertevans00 Granlund is also looking like a stud for the Sharks and now they can even trade him for more value at the trade deadline. Penguins got fleeced.
@@kymakongus Granlund is the “cap dump” I mentioned.
Thought Dubas was a good idea but trades aren’t panning out . Sully is also on the list for his blown leads the last few years and a horrible pp .
GMs who don't covet speed and youth are not worthy of running a team.
0:57 glad to see you didn't underrate Washington.
Is this a surprise to anybody you're not paying attention. The moment the contracts for 35, 71 and 58 were signed, the Penguin's ...and Sid's... fate was sealed.
I agree on everything besides the fact that you said crosbys defense HAS been on a decline when last season he had selke votes and led the league in faceoff % also had a really decent +\-. ANOTHER THING BRYAN RUST HAS BEEN HORRIBLE?!?!?!Love the vids but you clearly dont watch the games.
Malkin defense has been nonexistent since laf cooked him with the toe drag
@ im already knowing thats not what im talking about
When has Crosby ever played Defense ? I've never seen it .
@@hemihead001 umm last season 😭
Honestly if they tear it down they could be in a pretty good spot in a couple years
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Really I thought edmonton was holding the last records of everything
Maybe Crosby took less money on his contract to make it easier for him to be traded in the future. He probably knows this team is a trash heap. I wanna see an NHL where Sid is traded to the Avs to play with McKinnon, make it happen Dubas, you know you want to.
But Penguins fans said it was good for Crosby to sign an extension. Were they only considering their own best interests while ignoring what’s best for Sidney, which would be to play for a contender, and what’s best for the team, which is to rebuild?
Exactly. I was saying this the whole time and people called me crazy. Respect to Crosby for being loyal, but it’s to a fault. He deserves to finish his career really competing with a different team
Kyle "TEAM KILLER" Dubas
Look at how they played when bylsma was on his way out. It’s the same thing especially with Sid. Sullivan has been there too long and the message is dead. They should’ve fired him after the 3-1 blown lead against the rangers. For some reason Fenway sports group loves Sullivan and won’t let him go
Not even close yet! Just like the sharks it’s going to be a long grueling fall before this team can even think about building back up.
Wouldn’t mind seeing some good young prospects for once. Pittsburgh didn’t do a good job in keeping this team good. Trading away picks and young players for “win now” players that didn’t work out. Should have rebuilt a little bit sooner. Maybe Sid and Geno would have had a real young good team this year. And then when they retire, it wouldn’t be so horrible with very little prospects.
Every team has a period of time that they are bad. It is the Penguins' time. How well they draft in the next 3 years will determine how fast the rebuild will be.
Dubas is probably the worst GM for this effort.
When it comes to any aspect of defensive play, I lack confidence in Dubas.
At least Malkin is turning back the clock 🥺
I wish people could understand that this is a good thing! The pens aren't winning the cup again with this core. We all know it. It's over. You should WANT them to get that high first rount pick to get that future first line center.
The biggest disaster would be 8th in the East at the trade deadline.
Thoughts on Sid for team Canada captain for 4 nations face off?
Great Video, as usual, Nathan
Love to see this as a Caps fan
Well Nashville doesn't seem to do much better, even when they put all in money-wise to have a star-filled team ready for The Cup.
Hockey just doesn't work like that - it doesn't matter what names you have in your team, what matters if they can PLAY as a TEAM.
We have seen this time and time again that usually the strongest teams are the ones without any of those so called "stars".
The fourth line has been pretty much the only bright spot so far (and that itself is sad lol.) Kevin Hayes has been really good.
Hayes was benched tonight lol.
@ well there goes that I guess lol, but Sully completely changed all the lines and he should have left Hayes with Glass and Acciari
hows that Karlsson trade workin out? hahahahahaha
Dubas knew the team was gonna be bad, but management didn't want him to move the core, so he signed the worst goalie and worst defensemen.
Anyone else notice that every team Erik Karlsson goes to, they tank?
DuPont and McKenna-here we go !
crosby should be in montreal !
The pens cant defend even with good tending. The pk is good but their 5v5 defense is cooked
no problem pittsburg will take crosby of your hands ! your welcome ! with love montreal !
Respect Gravi's Take... but firing Sullivan does nothing for you! You fire your coach if you give em the necessary pieces... and they don't perform like Woodcroft in Edmonton or Ruff in New Jersey... and Sulli's hasn't been given the pieces to perform... and lack the speed to cover the mistakes caused by lack of skills! Either you mutually part ways... or you fire him not to win with the next guy... but to officially start your rebuild & bring in your young coach that will sink or swim through the rebuilding years like Blashill sank in Detroit, St-Louis is currently sinking in Montreal & young Bednar sank bad at first... but then succeded in Colorado!
Hey, coming here to say, that Jets pick was wrong, Sorry 😞
they have been over bud
Awful defense below average offense yikes
Sully lost the locker room. Bench Letang and maybe sid even if it hurts. What should the others players think if he still plays even though he's completely off track
It's gonna be tough to turn the season around when you have 27.5 million dollars per year invested in 4 dumpster fire players
This team needs some young talent very badly. There best hope is Rutger mcgroarty, and he's not even good enough to play in the NHL right now.
Never fear! McGroarty is here! (ok well in the AHL getting no points)
he finally got one (assist)
@ yeah! well we learned a lot this week. it's a process. mc g's coming along well.
"Eric Carlson" lol
Karlsson has never been even average on defense. Undeserving of his Norris trophies. But this isn’t news. The rest of team is no longer good enough to overcome karlssons defense. It’s time to embrace youth. Move Glass to the first line, and start making trades.
Letang plays like another Forward and was never taught Defense .
They should’ve rebuilt the team after they got swept by the Islanders
Only 1 point out of the basement in the NHL standings. The most shots allowed per game and the most goals against per game.
Stick a fork in them.
Team is 🗑️🗑️🗑️
karlson he plted for ottwa righy ... asking if so he was sent to the pens to loose not the same guy - HURT or
Sid's winger is a below average player, Beauvillier. Jake should never have been traded imho.
He was never going to resign with Pittsburgh (see Carolina), it wasn’t realy a choice
@ how do you know he wouldn't resign. i real he said he wanted to stay. caroline proves nothing about pitts
Please stop crying about Jake already . It's old .
@@hemihead001 it's current. it was a stupid thing to do and sid is suffering. NOW.
Geno to Tampa at the deadline for 1st?
? I am confused are rebuilding teams supposed to be good?😊
The penguins aren't rebuilding.. they need to but they just aren't
yep,my Penguins are a dumpster fire,no doubt about it
Somethings not right in the locker room because there are some good players on that team. 😊
I don't know what goes on in an NHL locker room, but it sounds like Pittsburgh is a team with good players, but not a good team. Blackhawks faced this issue for several years after they won their Stanley Cups and delayed a full rebuild until 19 and 88's contracts were expiring. And that was after Stan Bowman was replaced by GM Kyle Davidson, who seems more competent. Pittsburgh's front office can delay the inevitable rebuild for only so long.
Who is this kid with the blinking. Shaking his head. It’s very odd.
Crosby just scored
Sully needs fired and no team in the league will touch any of those big contract players .
well came home to roost .. hate to say but be honest go you think pens make a deep run or cup
Hagens mckenna DuPont Blomqvist
(Crosby Malkin Letang fleury 2.0).
They hired Kyle Dubas that’s their problem
My favorite video I’ve watched all day the down fall of the shitsburgh penguins
as a flyers fan, i couldn’t agree more (we’re ass but it’s expected)
now the team will see their attendance drop like flies
@@EthanWhite22 yeah we need a goalie
Why such animosity ?
Kris Letang sucks....Karlsson sucks.....defense sucks. Basically they suck
Sullivan his system
They’re gonna be rebuilding.
Fire Mike Sullivan
Shittsburgh
At this point, I don't really care if the Pens get into the playoffs. I'm fairly confident they won't. All I want is for Crosby to break the PPG record. Which I think he will do. He's in a slump right now, but he had quite a slump last year too and still managed to drag himself, and his team, within one point of a playoff spot. So I'm not too worried about him.
Hey, show your face for 20 minutes straight... said no one ever.
Thisguy doesnt know puck
But of course the pens beat the oilers but every one so far has beaten the oilers 😅lol😅lol😅lol😅lol😅lol😅go Canucks go
If malkin wants another shot at glory demand a trade to the wpg jets 😮
EC is over rated
Your not going to see nothing. They r up against the cap..an contracts r to high for other teams to take..
Crosby to Mtl!
Take it easy bud, there’s been way worse times in Pens history.LGP🖤💛🏒✌️