That was my take. This is all going to be dated as hell in 5 years. This is just pushing buttons that might speak to certain young people who may or may not care about comic books. It’s a desperate, scattershot attempt to generate revenue for the here and now with no regard to establishing something long-term.
This is literally in the video, they don't care if it will get dated. Also, everything is dated and most of comics are dependent of their context, althought people fail to understand it.
If the most important thing about your character is their age, sex, race or sexual orientation then they are not important. Those are physical traits not character traits.
Some of the biggest writers say that they write their character without gender and when they continue writing they realize that their character has more female or male behaviors. And that's how you write a character with reasonable feelings and not something like snowflake and savepace
"this character has a tick tock. This character inherited a backpack. This character is nonbinary" You've just told me absolutely nothing about these characters. What do they want? Why do they want it? What do they fear? What are their obstacles? What obstacles are self inflicted and why? Why do they want to be heroes? Who are they really? You don't become a hero just for having a superpower.
@@ZackAleksandrowicz yea i think that would be better for what they wanna do... the characters would still need a personality tho but if its like a short series meant to be specificallly about this part of their lives i could see it work... But the thing is... they can still make relatable lgbt+ superhero stories.... they just need to give them actual personalities and they're good to go...
@@justagirl6761 They should make the villain of this comic the actual main character and he antagonizes and kills the heroes one by one. I would actually watch that.
I thought the Snowflake and Safespace characters were parodies, then I realized he was serious. Also the one character is a hispanic girl with a magic backpack? Boy howdy that's original.
I Actually Read Gotham High And The Origin Story Bruce Wayne In That Is Even Darker And Scarier Than The Original For The Time Being Dude And I Gotta Say They Did Accurately Captured The Society Of The Time I Was Released!
the fact that that they made one a reddit mod is just shouting they really dont know what they're doing, if the ben 10 backpack and "internet gas" didn't
The pregnant spider woman one must have been written by someone who has never been pregnant before. I'm currently 7 months pregnant and can't even get up after sitting on the floor. Doubt I'd be knocking out bad guys and swinging all over the city. All a bad guy would have to do to defeat me is sit me down in a chair
@@NopeasaurusWht these people don’t realize is that the narrative that 7 month pregnant women are “badass” and can “get it done” is an idea spun by corporations so that women don’t have to take leave when they are that late in their pregnancy. So that they don’t have to pay for said leave. These idiots are so simple minded, that they buy it, hook, line and sinker.
Hate that my generation is being used as an excuse for pathetic writing. I could unironically slap down way better characters and I havent read a comic in years
The fact that they saw Bruce Wayne, a guy who's filthy rich but has severe trauma after the murder of his parents and has lived inside his manor with no parental figure further than his butler for his whole life, that's been completely oriented towards enlargening his business and his idealistic view of justice, and said "yep, this guy fits as the cool guy in a public high school rom-com"
@@frankfranklin7002 That was after he started being Batman to cover up his identity. Practically until he was an adult he spent his life depressed in Wayne Manor
Listen I'm no dc fan....but all i know is that batman's parents got killed and he went after the killer....isn't just that.....like how the fuck did they made him a cringy high school dude thats humiliating they threw the character's roots and replaced it with the most cringeist thing ever oh also the internet didn't exist when that dude was created and also the problem with every reboot *A LOVE TRIANGLE*
@Anaya Warren you know that you have a empty brain and no original ideas by making a loved character asian and younger and put him in a high school and make his helper (the old man alfired if i was right) gay i mean whats the point.....of doing this also see thats the problem with comics these days they think if you change the race/gender/age + shove politics into them they think thats the most creative thing i mean wasn't the death of his parents made him bat man then how is he in high school acting so happy shouldn't he be training and blood thirsty also joker turned into a bad guy because of how everyone treated him (if i was right).....like you know society not by bullying and being a coward and hitting up girls
@@XwoooahX THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE. Coming from a gay Latino, it’s literally like leading into the gay best friend stereotype where the only reason some popular girl wants some gay guy to be her best friend is because he’s gay and that’s it. It’s understandable that a large part of a character’s personality is developed depending on the culture they grew up with but it isn’t the only thing that makes a character. There are so many other aspects and so many writers hit and miss horribly.
Exactly treating just the fact that character is gay as a whole his personality is even more homophobic than not including them at all, same for the race, gender and anything else
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One of them has a TikTok, one of them has a fitness insta, one of them is basically the moderator for the mutant subreddit- Ok but what’s their backstory? What’s their personality like? What’s their goal, and what drives them to accomplish this goal?
Backstory: they had no dishes to clean so they do no thinking asides of their social media personality: whatever they copied from someone famous goals : have a couple more likes on evey comment
I feel so bad for Stan lee and George Lucas, imagine spending so many years working on your passion just for some idiots to come and ruin you work for good reviews from other idiots
George Lucas chose to sell his Star Wars property to Disney… nobody forced him to do it. If he wanted his characters not to be ruined, then he should have kept control .
Them trying to “diversify” the XMen when they have ALREADY been a symbol for the outcast and the mistreated since day 1 was so fvcking funny to me what are they even doing
I wondered at that, too. I loved the New Mutants (X-Men 2nd gen.) because Ororo was such a strong leader; Wolverine grew on me, but it took years. Nightcrawler was QUITE different, being small, "black" German, and having a tail. And he was so tender and perceptive! But I HATED what happened to Angel, when he lost his wings.
To be fair, Claremont, possibly the greatest X Men writer ever, made the good point that the original X Men team being an all white team that was supposed to represent diversity, was a bit of a problem, and that affected a lot of his writing decisions. And Claremonts run was GODLY, probably the greatest single X Men writing run.
Superhero’s then: We’re here to elevate the viewer and make them feel better about themselves, and give them something to strive for. Give a great story, and to push the viewer into something better, and represent the better side of the human race Superheroes now: Let’s try and make crap stories and lie to people to make them buy and read our stupid stories Like, I’m fine with characters being gay, black, white, idc. I just want superheroes to make me feel good about myself. I want superheroes to save people with their hearts, not their powers, not their beliefs. Their heart
It's really fine if a superhero character is black, white, or any colour. The problem is, they're forcing all those "quirky" stuffs to make them look different, which could ruin a part of the franchise.
Exactly, in Young justice for example; I didn’t mind that much that they made Aquaman gay, however, they also put poli marriages and spend a lot of time talking about how Halo was non binary and making it sort of “virtuous” when it add no heroic traits to the plot. WHICH IS THE REASON I WATCH. It feels like they just want to push to our throat the diversity ethos…
My biggest problem isn’t that they are trying to write characters of different races, sexualities, or genders, it is that it’s the only personality of them. I have huge respect for Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse for taking Miles Morales, a character which I didn’t care for in the comics, and making him super endearing and full of personality. Miles is from the Bronx and is African American / Latino, if this was a modern DC comic that would be his whole personality, but although he is shaped by his background he is also so much more, he’s self conscious and creative, a real character moving and growing, not a mouth piece. I could not tell you a single other word about Snowflake’s personality other that “they are non-binary”.
@@Eosinophyllis I hate to say this and put you down but *what the hell was that webtoon description.* it feels like you're trying TOO hard for a personality to the point that they'll have everything at once and have no way to grow or change and will just end up as "personality confused pansexual jealous that best friend loves their boyfriend and not them. Oh and also an evil swan" when it drops. Now maybe if they started negative showed that caring side but was spiteful around that boyfriend although ultimately doing something stoic for her best friend and maybe the boyfriend despite her emotional judgement that could pose growth over episodes of understanding and acceptance while now keeping the spite of the love subtle instead of "guard dog best friend everyone finds annoying except friends" levels... As for that swan idk what all that is about. Maybe it could go along the plot or save it for another toon but it does seem like it's splitting the attention of the story 50/50 not in a good way but a out of place sore thumb way like i mentioned before But it ain't my story I'm just putting my 2 sense in cause i want any better story than I'm Not Starfire or this xmen comic. Take my advice with a grain of salt because all i won was a school writting competition in middle school/freshman lol
@@flamingice3085 Thank you for the advice! I’m a bit of a try hard and not super sure about what I’m doing, so I actually appreciate it! Also I promise it’s a lot less messy than the description.
You guys should try manga, in my opinion the stories in manga dont compare to dc and marvel comics cause they can do any type of story outside of heroes
"...he was exposed to his grandfather's experimental internet gas." Those are words I thought I thought I would never hear put together but here we are in 2021 and this exists.
Honestly, I now understand why some people say “Just don’t shove it in my face”. This isn’t representation, I’d more so like if none of the characters were LGBTQIA+ than this. Is this honestly what comic book writers and older generations think we like? They are so obsessed with being relatable that they forget to actually make them feel human instead of a sad excuse for a trendy character.
Fr,like this is my main issue with usual comics these days,we don't need LGBTQ characters or any of that,what most matters is a good story,you can add pieces and everything but making a well flexed story and interesting characters that feel relatable instead of a annoying political agenda,but you know that's just my thoughts,but ye good comment👍💯
@@SpookyHost ok but that isn't fair. You may not need lgbt representation becuse you aren't lgbt but not everything is meant to appeal to you. There are real lgbt kids that would love to finally see someone that is like them. A big part of comic book heroes or characters in media in general is they're most of the time supposed to be relateble. I still remember the first time i saw a piece of media that had male same-sex relationship that weren't either one-sided tokens for diversity or the butt of the joke from their straight peers...i was 16 when i experienced that. While i've never had problems consuming media made by and for straight audiences, it does bring that extra oomf when the characters in question are relateble with a big part of your psychology and identity. Lgbt youth deserve that in the form of lgbt characters. Heterosexual and cisgender characters are everywhere, so i understand why alot of people don't understand the need for lgbt representation but cishet people would feel the same as lgbt people if almost every single character was lgbt. Im not saying the writers of these stories are doing good by making the stories like in this video, far from it. Lgbt people also do not want half-baked tokenisms of characters. We are not 2 dimensional beings with a sparkly label. What the writers are doing wrong is they're making them caricatures rather than characters. If you're going to do this, you might aswell not try to write queer characters. And if you still want to include lgbt people regardless, do not try to write lgbt unique experience like coming out and facing homophobia/transphobia if you do not know how to. Just make it so that they're viewed exactly the same as straight people but with an opposite sex partner and viola, easy gay character. Leave the more emotional and granted more realistic parts of growing up/being lgbt to people that know how to do it. Im not saying make every character gay ofcourse. But for the lgbt being about 10% of the population, there's a serious lack of us in alot of media let alone ones that are well written and not just a token side character. It doesn't help that content created by lgbt people revolving around lgbt characters are pushed against in alot of companies and media and outright censored in alot of countries.
@@zenzonerzz4789 actually I'm queer lmao😭,I'm just saying it doesn't matter regardless and I just look forward for a good story is all,but ye complete respect to what you might want in a story
@@beatriznascimento2116 well they do. It's just a small percentage of the fans to comics though. When you stop making your old content because of it, that's when it's an issue. There are a lot more straight males that read comics than any other. And to forget about their major audience is a bad business strategy and unkind to their readers.
I always felt like comics were a way to escape reality, imagine different worlds, be inspired and get creative. The last person I'm gonna 'relate' to is a tiktok influencer, that is not the everyday person or what everyday people want to become. We want our kids to dream of being smart and strong, inventing new things and helping people, talking up the use of social media is not the way to do that. I'm inspired by the OG comicbook heroes/vigilantes and will continue to re-read the same ones if this is what the future of comics looks like.
I promise you not all in the now comics are like this, I'm a sophmore in highschool and I read recent comics such as the Moon Knight 2021 comic and Nightwing fear state and those and comics alike DO in fact have good stories. I'm going to my local comic book store to see what I find but I'm pretty sure this woke political snowflake tiktok influencer stuff was just a one time thing pumped put by Marvel.
I want to see a scene in these where some rando just grabs a shotgun, and goes downtown to start murdering drug dealers and users, and when the police yell at him to drop the weapon, he responds with: "It's OK, I'm over 21!"
Neffariousnyc My first thought as well. These comics already don’t understand or explore the concept of vigilantism, the pros and cons of it. This guy doesn’t even understand what it actually means.
Preach it Sister. They are literally alienating half of the reader base. It's not just that they aren't making new interesting characters but they are drastically changing the classic favorites to their detriment
Maybe if we chant loud enough he’ll hear us. But for, they’re fucking with his characters. Next they’re gonna make a female version to every male superhero.
To be honest, he could save the comic industry, but... ye, that is not happening, the sjw took over, What makes me also angry is that usually when they try the "fresh blood" they don't actually think of the agegroup they are representing. When I was going to highschool, we had an exam (english is not my first language so I dunno what is the correct term for that exam) where they had written slangs and we needed to match them with their correct meaning... My agegroup failed that part of the exam, because those slangs were not used by our agegroup. What I am trying to say is, theese people think that the new generation is stupid, or simply black and white when it comes to thinking and things they like or relate to, they insert politics, feminism and whatnot into the comics what were supposed to give people freedom from theese very problems.
@@theblueststar5316 safe space is exactly that. A safe place to be. Somewhere you can go free of judgment, problems, whatever bad thing you can think of. It can be anywhere you feel safe. It's become a bad thing to many because of the term snowflake. They are both directly linked.
@@rosykindbunny1313 its like a term used commonly to describe individuales who get triggered easily, can't handle different perspectives/opinions, is ignorant about what other people think due to their ego, etc; mostly associated with Twitter users because of their nature of cancelling or getting mad at miniscule, or even non existent problems
@@tedgreenwood2818 EXACTLY- like I know the guy said “wearing a derogatory term as a badge of honor” but yeah not the best idea for the very first nb character
@@louisduarte8763 which kinds of begs the question….”why are they a cosplayer?” Cosplayers do it to play at being something less mundane. When you’re a costume wearing superhero I expect you’ll cherish the mundanity of normal life.
Its funny how feminism written by men made female representation even worse. Daily reminder that "Holy Menstruation!" was an actual catchphrase in a Ms Marvel comic.
And they wonder why manga sells more than comics. Comics now is basically a woke agenda that they are pushing to the people who dont even read comics. Like you will see people defend I'm not starfire haven't actually read comics and I can bet that they will never buy that comic.
Well, for once, I’m not Starfire is not a comic. It’s a graphic novel, non canon and no related to any major storyline in the Dc universe. Also, I don’t like the plot and find it extremely boring and uninteresting; but it is not Canon so, I can’t get angry for that. It’s a novel for teenagers, geez. Let it be.
Liam R3d I don’t care it is a graphic novel or not as long as a good story is written that what does matter. See how DC turned off the comments on twitter and TH-cam and it is just a graphic novel for teenagers. Can DC just think little bit before deciding to publish it.
@@talxxn the thing is that for these teenagers I can bet u rn they would rather read manga cuz it's free and they dont have to pay and its easily accessible. That's why I say that they are selling to the wrong crowd. Like if you want to gain a new audience then do that no one is hating but when your methods of gaining the new audience is gonna make you lose your current audience then there is a problem.
Mainstream writers don’t get it. “Female” isn’t a personality trait. “Tiktoker” isn’t a personality trait. Strong, proud, self centered, silly, forgetful those are personality traits. Why put so much focus on things we either can’t control or is so basic to modern people that it’s not even a thought in most peoples minds. He’s on social media. As is most people.
Ok I have some ideas Snowflake: they are loud, a bit self centered, but care deeply about other people and think it’s best to reclaim things before they come back to hurt us Safe space: he’s big, he’s strong, but he is a gentle gaint and thinks aggression is the worst course of action B negative: one of those classic “Tsundere” acts super negative and like nothing could get worse so she can save herself from feeling hurt in the future
This is just a high-level introduction to the hero concepts. I'm sure they have personalities and we'll find out more about those in the comics themselves.
"One of them is the Moderator to a Mutant Subreddit" Remember, if you ever feel down and bad, someone made this character thinking it was going to be great.
And the worst thing is, it could actually be a good premise with a little more thought put into it. Mutant Subreddit = Place where the "weird kids" go to feel less alone. Moderator of said Subreddit = "I really care about this place and want it to be a safe place for other kids like me". The thing is that for a good story this needs to be shown, not told. The latest writers seem to leave all the stories for the readers' interpretation - probably to truly "maximize the inclusivity".
That could actually be a really interesting element of characterization to explore. How having followers instead of friends impacts the character mentally and emotionally, how the need for likes and upvotes have corroded away the lines between the performative self and the real self leading to a sense of unfulfillment and desperate need to be accepted. Maybe that could be the motivation to be a hero, only to realize it's ultimately the same thing, a performance and mask to gain approval of people they don't have any meaningful connection to. Over the course of the story they make real connections and the motivation changes to a desire to protect their new found family. It could be a whole growth arc. But I doubt any of that will be in it.
Seeing grownass people trying to write "zoomer-like" stories and are so confident to think younger generations are going to love them, made me get stage 7 critical cringe Call an ambulance....
It seems kinda obvious thats a big part of the point. You're not supposed to think "he doesn't have friends ...he has followers .." Is cool. It's satirical
@@aduck1359 Its not written by 50 year old white dudes though, did you see all the interviews at the beginning of the video? Those are all Millennials and Zoomers in charge of the industry writing now.
@@neoasura not zoomers, zoomers aren't old enough to be given any creative control over comic books, these are millennial hipsters who want to be trendy and appeal to kids but without any idea firstly of what teenagers actually want out of a story and secondly of how to bridge the generation gap between older readers and younger ones despite it definitely being possible. They finished high school either before smart phones or just as smart phones were becoming a common thing so they don't understand how they and social media have affected the way kids grow up and form identities these days, and its extremely obvious. They see how connected young people are to the internet and they see nothing else, and this confuses them because its something they are not able to truly grasp as effortlessly as zoomers do. I wish these people would stop trying to be trendy and hip with the kids and just write stories they actually want to read because it doesn't matter how old you are I guarantee your story will be way more engaging to people of all ages if you yourself actually enjoy it.
@@neoasura no shiz, the entire point though is older people tend to push this on young writers and young creators. I think someone who is young realizes that social media isnt a "hip young person thing." It is something in the background. Not their personality. Like a comic character in the 2000s watching tv or playing video games in the background of a comic scene. Not the ENTIRE PLOT. So dumb, theyre using social media like a shtick
they could've went with something like a virtual reality gear which connects to the brain and projects the contents of the Vr via dreams, and somehow the dude overused it and the programs and the contents of the Vr are now stuck in his brain
@@cymikgaming1266 yeah like i said "sometimes" manhuas always copy the old the same one, after life, regression, reincarnation, etc, awful art quality overtime and losing some brain cells some of it after read more than 90 manhuas include love story.
yup. And if they want to use as badges names we use to identify toxic people add to that team the Boomer and the Karen, also the Choosing Beggar and the Nice Guy
I feel like that is unfair to deviant art OCs. At least the middle schoolers who made them will likely learn and be able to develop their OCs into something great in a few years time. These people... they believe they are the pinnacle of character creators.
The whole point of the X-men was to represent other groups through the story. EVERYBODY can relate to them. So in order for mutants to exist with the narrative they need to be hated and endure to show that throughout the trials and tribulation, the X-Men are a representation of human bigotry. So Zoomers liking them makes no sense. This would mean they themselves are self aware in there own universe. They just missed the point of the X-Men all together and replacing it with an agenda that isn't suited for the story to begin with.
Manga and Manwha > comics. I beg you comic readers to please try some anime and manga because I can guarantee you guys would like it. I love dc and marvel but the story telling in manga don't compare to new comics.
Proper Anime I absolutely agree, not that I want to disrespect people taste. But I just can't get into Comic book, there is sooooooo many literation and alteration, so many retcon, Rebirth, Reboot, convoluted canoncy, alternate universe, parallel, also not being a western also contributed to not being able to buy or read comic since childhood, the only thing we could get from DC or Marvel is the animated and movie. Instead here in Asia import manga are flowing from Japan, the story was also made by only one writer, there is no weird inconsistency, nor a random people ruining the legacy.
Yeah they want to reach "young" people which they dont really know 99% of tiktok girls arent comic fans And wont be comic fans just because they made these shit
@@leroyvermilion7708 i never talked about batman-_- but now that u mentioned it alot of comics can beat batmans single comics such as the ones with Justice League and some of Flash comics and Constantine vs trigon
"A hero in my mind takes the moral high ground, and can be tempted back down - because they're only human". Beautifully phrased, lord. Superman's alter-ego; Clark Kent, is how he sees us. Human - it means we're feeble, but strong.
Not going to use labels, also this is the jock, this is the non-binary one, this is the internet kid, this is the goth, and this one's grandpa left her a magic backpack full of an endless supply of twinkies.
@@duckseverywhere7087 Yeah if it's sanctioned by the government and publicly supported it's just heroism. If it's government supported and against public support it's authoratarianism. If it's not government supported and has public support it's vigilantism/anarchism. If it's not government supported and doesnt have public support it's villainy.
@@duckseverywhere7087 yeaah That is Wiki's words and the fool who wrote it is probably a Senator or some Assholes in a high Position somewhere...someone deeply rooted in the Law world i know for Fact. Aint no precieved. Basically do not operate against Crime without Government Approval/support and Authority. If you do then you are illegally fighting Crime. Ive always hated How Vigilantism was Looked down upon by the Government. And they always spit that "well its for the safety of the people...its what Law enforcement are for" Crap. Ah...No! it is because you want to establish and keep a Bar that people need to stay in our place and know our place in the world and that police will always be a dominant approved force and if anybody henders that force without Authority...They are criminals. Also in Raw Honest Secret Truth...that they will never ever tell you by mouth, but they will throw the truth in Movies and books. So it will be up to you to look past the Hollywood magic to see the Message of Truth. But what they will not tell you is... Its most importantly so that somebody or Somebodies do not rise and move the people in Solid Unity against the government order...because that type of power DOES NOT DIE OFF once it is awakened. That type of torch does not go out. It just gets picked up by another sooner or later. Even if the person or persons have been caught and put behind bars for life or lets say...killed by the state then that will only leave for their philosophy to continue on and someone probably Greater and more dangerous then them will appear and continue that work. So yeah.
@@thedivineswordpoet4401 Actually, the reason vigilantism is illegal IS for the safety of the people. Look at all the rape accusations which turn out to be utterly fabricated... Imagine if the fathers or brothers of every one of those false accusers, or some Deadpool/Punidher/Batman type went and killed the guy, only for the woman to go "Oh, tee hee, I was totally just joking. I didn't want my boyfriend to break up with me because I cheated on him... Whoopsie." Vigilantism is illegal because that individual isn't determined "Guilty" until the verdict is read out among a jury of their peers. Spider-Man hearing some tidbits isn't enough for that individual to face justice at his hands.
You act like all of marvel comics has been like this garbage, what the fuck is being a reddit moderator mean being a SUPERHERO. It’s pathetic shit like this that makes people have such a bad rep on Marvel when it’s stories are more than this contrived “progressive” bullshit.
"She inherited from her grandfather a magic backpack... of divine origin." "Screentime is a internet kid... as a youth he was exposed to his grandfather's experimental internet gas, and that has patched him permanently into the world wide web." These are some of the stupidest premises for comics I've ever heard. How stupid are these people?
Seems on par with some of the powers I've seen in anime though LOL Seriously, some of the powers in My Hero Academia or One Piece could definitely rival these in ridiculousness ;D
Im just glad he doesn't have to see what those """"""writers""""" have done to the industry. Its a godamn shame "'"hero's"'' now a days are just "I hAvE tIk ToK aNd UsE tWiTtEr"
Yeh and he can "Google at any time." Almost like anyone with a cellphone. All these stories suck. Are cringe. And are racist of low expectations. I want good stories. With characters that just happen to be a member of a minority. Not a character where their entire character trait is being a minority
Seriously... So the dude is basically just a human phone? He can save the world by saving time, instead of having to reach for his phone it's all in his head already .... Wow, great superhero, verrrrry interesting...
@@klauserji manhua and manhwa are literally dog shit man. Manga is great and American comics are still kicking too there's more comics than just superheroes, exampless; the walking dead, American gods, locke and key.
To me the ironic thing is that manga and Japan has been criticized as being non-pc. But manga has had some of the best trans characters I’ve ever seen. Blue period is a manga that has a great trans character, to the point it was incredibly refreshing to see.
@@Milark the reason it’s labeled as “non-pc” is because they aren’t blatantly saying “THIS CHARACTER IS GAY BECAUSE WE NEED MORE GAY CHARACTERS” Mangakas don’t write lgbt characters into their stories for representation, they do it for fun. They don’t virtue signal with their art form. And PC culture hates that.
Before, in movies and in comics - fewer people were involved. It often told one ☝️ story that the writer(s) themselves had gone through. It was personal. Today? It’s all about collaborations and ideas of what they’ve seen or watched, rather than gone through themselves. That is what is missing. Something that has been real to someone,.. 👍
I just can't process the fact that several people designed that character, the name, the idea, etc and all collectively agreed that "yes, this is a good idea" 😭😭
@@crushersbutlessedgynow Because calling someone snowflake is meant to be an insult. It means you're sensitive and weak, and people who say that often direct it at LGBTQ+ people, so the fact that they named one of their first non-binary characters that was a horrible idea.
If you want a character that’s relatable to this generation look at Yuji Itadori from Jujutsu Kaisen, his entire goal is to die. And we all know how much everyone wants to do that these days.
They aren't even trying to write characters anymore, they are just ticking a bunch of boxes. It's like pandering comes first, storytelling comes second.
How ironic that their pandering to the younger generations is what makes it so inaccessible and cringe to said generations; there’s so much more to an age group’s culture than the social media they use. It’d be like if they made a “MySpace” Man back in the early 2000’s it’s just so odd 😅
@@sootekken These superheros were designed to make money not memories and it shows. Since when is reducing your target audience down to irritating stereotypes ever a good idea!? That only alienates the people you're trying to give a home. (Speaking as someone who they alienated)
@@-mousemicemices-2158 and they even try to frame it as "we are reclaiming and fighting against the stereotypes! ", but their way of fighting against them is by making their characters into said stereotypes..? It just makes no sense.
But to be honest, the ones at fault are our same generation of snowflakes and the generation above us trying to make cash with us, it is actually a combination of them and us that are feeding the Gen Z with this horrible bullshit propaganda and ruining every medium possible.
I feel your pain, except I'm 18 and feel like I saw two very different versions of the same world. One where everything and everyone was normal (when I was younger) and one where everything is so, so very screwed up (now). 🥺
nonbinary, overweight, neglected, internet-addicted, these are NOT personality traits. If you're using these words to describe a character, you are being shallow and doing a disservice to those characters and everyone who happens to share those traits, because that is not something that should define them. There is so much more to a person than that.
This could be true to some of the brand new titles but the Manga industry as a whole and stuff like Shonen haven't split from their originality like DC and Marvel
@@taeinkang4971 you're probably one of those people who thing all shōnen manga are the same, then explain how is something like chainsaw man the same as Bakuman? Or Mob psycho 100 and Nisekoi? Or freaking Spy x Family and the promised Neverland? All of these series are different because guess what shōnen is not a genere is a target demographic, and it's sure as hell way more diverse that anything DC or Marvel have release in the last decade, like just show one comic book that isn't about a superhero or that culminates in a big event like secret wars or the 15th time the multiverse gets rebooted, show me a marvel or DC comic that's pure comedy or a romcom and then I would believe your statement......
Yes, it becomes even more jarring when you look at manga's like "Kimetsu no Yaiba" and that is IMHO not even the gold standard. Western comics have lost everything that used to make them so cool. That would be stories like "Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood"
@@goofball5182 Well it really depends on what you think of when you generalize manga. Unlike comics, there's pretty much a manga for EVERYTHING. I don't read manga too much myself, but it's crazy how much they vary from laid back high school comedies to incredibly violent revenge stories.
Comic Characters then: A young boy loses his parents in front of his eyes and donates his life to fighting crime to keep anyone from feeling his pain ever again An alien is taken in by a goodwilled couple and becomes a god with more humanity than those he fights A scientist is struck by lightning and gains the ability to run faster than ever thought possible, them finds out that he can reverse time but has to come to terms with the fact that he can't save his mother. Comic characters now: A tiktoker A reddit mod An Instagram fitness page Upgrades?
@@HiBuddyyyyyy of course they don't. But you can't make a character whose entire personality is 'She's a tiktoker'. Also, willing to bet that one of the 'villains' these guys fight will be some variation of a school brainwashing kids into not thinking independently.
Mangas meanwhile: The first male in the bible fights the king of Olympus in a fight to decide if humanity should be wiped out or not. Marvel: EXPERIMENTAL INTERNET GAS
"We don't care about being dated, we care about being now" that's why these comics are failing. Stan Lee created characters that are timeless and are loved by millions. they stay relevant because they appeal to the imagination and are well developed characters people can relate to with unique super powers. this new team of creators only cares for appealing to the current generation, using whatever is popular at the moment Seriously? Experimental Internet Gas and now he can look up any google fact in an instant with his mind? oh boy, Galactus and Thanos must be shaking in their boots now
You know i will stay with what you said STAN LEE cared about his work and how he shaped them for people to understand what they are thats why we remember his creations, nowadays if you ask for the new characters like the new warrios and other they dont remember then, they just appeard on videos beign criticized and the only thing that make them important are the movies simple.
My favorite quote from Stan Lee when ridiculed for not making more diverse character was that it shouldn't matter if they're male female black white yellow all that should matter is that they are doing the right thing and helping people
@@VaughanRoderick Care to elaborate? I'm interested in your opinion. I sort of understand, but not quite... what do you mean when you say "manga has no chill"? (not a native English speaker).
@@VaughanRoderick Uh-huh now I get it, yes indeed that makes sense. It is also true that they tackle ideas in a different and in some many cases bizarre/blunt ways. (closest examples in mind are: Berzerk, Baki, Re: Zero, and any manga by Junji Ito).
@@VaughanRoderick This dude doesn't read enough american comics and it shows, there's a lot of American titles that are just as worse sometimes even worse than Manga. I can even name 10 off the top of my head. Manga is just gaining popularity in the west will it stand the test of time? That remains to be seen because Japanese culture is currently a trend. I've been reading manga and watching anime since the 90's and while it's at the biggest in popularity it's been in recent history it's a bit of a stretch to say it will stand the test time. Outside of DBZ Manga/Anime has no iconic characters known globally. There's also more to horror manga than just junji Ito.
Imagine introducing wolverine to an audience and the only thing you tell them is "he's straight, identifies as he /him" and expecting them to give you money to read that comic.
Maybe if you read the comic you'll see their growth and purpose explained further. Hulk was just a guy who turns big and green when mad and Peter parker is a college nerd who got bitten by a spider. I'm sorry that gender, sexuality bothers you, but this is the beginning of a new era where it's becoming a norm, give them a chance.
Getting super powers from "Experimental Internet Gas" is probably the stupidest origin story I've ever heard. If I had an entire lifetime to brainstorm, I don't even think I could think up something lamer than that.
While it's dumb it's probably just technopathy and they wanted to make it sound different. Most heroes get powers from dumb things so as long as it's done well it's not that bad. The important thing is their character and actions. Wally west was somehow struck by lightning near the same chemicals that made the flash by complete accident. Spiderman was bit by a radioactive spider. Batman was made because he couldn't get over his parents deaths like a normal person. If they spin it as nanobots that were designed to create wider coverage but his body somehow integrated them into his body then it would be slightly less lame but still one of the weirder ones.
appeling to zoomer ideology is not a bad thing, but this is no the way. You can take some movies or books or even webtoons and realize that the last thing zoomers want is characters to be like them. They dont care about characters who have tiktok or instagram.
Bro, as soon as she said, "One of them has a Tik Tok", I was done.
Punish them buy consuming free straight white porn 🤣
Fuck tik tok that just pisses me off
@@bojangbg bruh looool
Tik Tok is fo real bruh
Chinese money at work!
Using “modern” slang as names dates them immediately.
That was my take. This is all going to be dated as hell in 5 years. This is just pushing buttons that might speak to certain young people who may or may not care about comic books. It’s a desperate, scattershot attempt to generate revenue for the here and now with no regard to establishing something long-term.
Snowflake could have easily been a reference to her power, but no it has to be a stupid internet term.
This is literally in the video, they don't care if it will get dated. Also, everything is dated and most of comics are dependent of their context, althought people fail to understand it.
According to their logic, Superman would have been named "Swell-man" in the 1930s
@Inkosi-Inathi Memani Haha, bro cabanga nje👏😂!!!
Notice how they don’t mention their personality a single time
they have a TikTok or insta or whatever. that's their personality. they're so likeable XD
@@thecollector427 real shit
They are literally "The young nowadays stay always with the cellphone" turned into characters
@@shyoss2671 oh damn so current writers are boomers
Right?! They didn’t mention any personality traits or motivations.
If the most important thing about your character is their age, sex, race or sexual orientation then they are not important. Those are physical traits not character traits.
your comment sums it up dud
Most of them are physical traits but yeah
@@jeremycontreras6229 that's what he said
Eekenheimer triggered fucker that’s what he said
Some of the biggest writers say that they write their character without gender and when they continue writing they realize that their character has more female or male behaviors. And that's how you write a character with reasonable feelings and not something like snowflake and savepace
"this character has a tick tock. This character inherited a backpack. This character is nonbinary" You've just told me absolutely nothing about these characters. What do they want? Why do they want it? What do they fear? What are their obstacles? What obstacles are self inflicted and why? Why do they want to be heroes? Who are they really? You don't become a hero just for having a superpower.
They might as well not even be superhero comics at that point, just regular teen comics thst teens can relate to.
@@ZackAleksandrowicz yea i think that would be better for what they wanna do... the characters would still need a personality tho but if its like a short series meant to be specificallly about this part of their lives i could see it work...
But the thing is... they can still make relatable lgbt+ superhero stories.... they just need to give them actual personalities and they're good to go...
@@justagirl6761 They should make the villain of this comic the actual main character and he antagonizes and kills the heroes one by one. I would actually watch that.
@@ZackAleksandrowicz thats the thing, theyre not even fucking relatable.
I thought the Snowflake and Safespace characters were parodies, then I realized he was serious. Also the one character is a hispanic girl with a magic backpack? Boy howdy that's original.
Hispanic girl with a magic backpack? Seriously? That's literally Dora the Explorer! My god these people are dumb. lol
@@matthopkins2528 She looks like Dora if she ate Boots and Swiper
@MICROSOFT HQ maybe she's to blame for crop circles.
Dorraaaa come one dora tutututu dora
@@fidyy_ she ate Diego for dessert
Batman's backstory: someone killed his parents at a young age
Modern day backstory: I was shadowband on tiktok and now I must get my revenge
Bruhhh
I got killed by a hacker in minecraft bedwars so I will proceed to track him and get revenge.
@@lks9988 🤣🤣🤣goated comment
I Actually Read Gotham High And The Origin Story Bruce Wayne In That Is Even Darker And Scarier Than The Original For The Time Being Dude And I Gotta Say They Did Accurately Captured The Society Of The Time I Was Released!
@@deathtime5288 so what is it?
You Mean The Origin Of The Bruce Wayne In The Gotham High Right!
Fun fact: *having social media is not a personality.*
No way!
WHO EVEN NEEDED TO SAY THAT
the fact that that they made one a reddit mod is just shouting they really dont know what they're doing, if the ben 10 backpack and "internet gas" didn't
Brother
@@_zeroman *Brother*
The pregnant spider woman one must have been written by someone who has never been pregnant before. I'm currently 7 months pregnant and can't even get up after sitting on the floor. Doubt I'd be knocking out bad guys and swinging all over the city. All a bad guy would have to do to defeat me is sit me down in a chair
But a pregnant superhero is so inspirational **sparkle**
Oh, good luck being a parent. Have you got a name for the kid?
Well, the baby must be born since this comment. You can be Spiderwoman now if you wanted
Awww they must have born by now. Hope it all is going well
@@NopeasaurusWht these people don’t realize is that the narrative that 7 month pregnant women are “badass” and can “get it done” is an idea spun by corporations so that women don’t have to take leave when they are that late in their pregnancy. So that they don’t have to pay for said leave. These idiots are so simple minded, that they buy it, hook, line and sinker.
Hate that my generation is being used as an excuse for pathetic writing. I could unironically slap down way better characters and I havent read a comic in years
You're right
Loads of people can do better than this.
People who don't even write sometimes make up characters that no one will ever know
I made an eight foot tall rooster that has more personality than the new guardians or whatever the hell their name is
For some reason I feel offended. They think I'm gonna read this sheet?
Bruh as a useless person, I can even legit write an epic side character with flaws as a person too
@@technounionrepresentative4274
I’d like to meet this… rooster.
The fact that she said one of the main character is literally a Reddit mod is one of the most cringy “personality traits” they could’ve ever said
Can you even call it personality tho
what the fuck omg
Thats what bothered me the most, that and the nonbinary character being called "snowflake" and a superpower being fucking I N T E R N E T G A S
@@granddoppelganger7138 no thats the problem😂
None of them were personality traits, they were just fucking hobbies
"He doesn't have friends, he has followers"
He doesn't have parents, he has PTSD of the time his mom and dad died
"oh cool I'm a protagonist-wait mom dad n-"
-Every anime and super hero movie
W-why did I laugh? Lol
@@geminiaunknown8743 *anime opening starts playing*
@@Ashelybee ? Lol
He has Alfred... I guess he doesn’t count as a...follower though...
The fact that they saw Bruce Wayne, a guy who's filthy rich but has severe trauma after the murder of his parents and has lived inside his manor with no parental figure further than his butler for his whole life, that's been completely oriented towards enlargening his business and his idealistic view of justice, and said "yep, this guy fits as the cool guy in a public high school rom-com"
To be fair, a huge part of his early image was a fake "irresponsible playboy philanthropist" so it kind of fits
@@frankfranklin7002 That was after he started being Batman to cover up his identity. Practically until he was an adult he spent his life depressed in Wayne Manor
I was drinking water and choked when the Gotham high trailer said “he doesn’t have friends, he has followers.” Absolutely disrespectful
Listen I'm no dc fan....but all i know is that batman's parents got killed and he went after the killer....isn't just that.....like how the fuck did they made him a cringy high school dude thats humiliating they threw the character's roots and replaced it with the most cringeist thing ever oh also the internet didn't exist when that dude was created and also the problem with every reboot *A LOVE TRIANGLE*
@Anaya Warren you know that you have a empty brain and no original ideas by making a loved character asian and younger and put him in a high school and make his helper (the old man alfired if i was right) gay i mean whats the point.....of doing this also see thats the problem with comics these days they think if you change the race/gender/age + shove politics into them they think thats the most creative thing i mean wasn't the death of his parents made him bat man then how is he in high school acting so happy shouldn't he be training and blood thirsty also joker turned into a bad guy because of how everyone treated him (if i was right).....like you know society not by bullying and being a coward and hitting up girls
@Anaya Warren honestly man even real comic book fans that are on the younger side hate this aswell
Exactly
That's just sad.
“Inherited a magic backpack” Girl wants to be me so bad. Too bad people don’t know her name, but they know mine and my song.
so true bestie
You are the blueprint
Dora The Explorer
Thanks for teaches me spanish as a kid
Exploring TH-cam during quarantine I see...
When will they understand that being a person of diversity is not a characters main trait/personality?
Apparently being a minority is all the you need these days to be a hero.
@@XwoooahX THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE. Coming from a gay Latino, it’s literally like leading into the gay best friend stereotype where the only reason some popular girl wants some gay guy to be her best friend is because he’s gay and that’s it.
It’s understandable that a large part of a character’s personality is developed depending on the culture they grew up with but it isn’t the only thing that makes a character. There are so many other aspects and so many writers hit and miss horribly.
@@XwoooahX and internet gas, you forgot an important part 🤣
Exactly treating just the fact that character is gay as a whole his personality is even more homophobic than not including them at all, same for the race, gender and anything else
@@hubii2589 Couldn't agree with you more
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There's actually a positive side to this - now I can catch up with the older comics without having to worry about missing the new ones XD
Good point:)
Facts
Sooo true lol
"Why are you booing me, im right"🤣🦑
Nice point
One of them has a TikTok, one of them has a fitness insta, one of them is basically the moderator for the mutant subreddit-
Ok but what’s their backstory? What’s their personality like? What’s their goal, and what drives them to accomplish this goal?
Their goal maybe beating up woke twittard villain
@@lemao1590 a h i s e e
I feel like they could’ve been redeemed if they added blob on to the team and they said “he’s a discord mod” would make me read their comics tbh
Backstory: they had no dishes to clean so they do no thinking asides of their social media
personality: whatever they copied from someone famous
goals : have a couple more likes on evey comment
EXACTLY!
I like how they think having an insta or a tik tok counts as a “personality”
Not sure why they don’t just talk to a psychologist and ask about personalities types.
@@tsipher because it would be good if they did
@@tsipher damn bro you can find that kinda stuff in a yt video
@@concretesandals4501 true
YES
I feel so bad for Stan lee and George Lucas, imagine spending so many years working on your passion just for some idiots to come and ruin you work for good reviews from other idiots
George Lucas chose to sell his Star Wars property to Disney… nobody forced him to do it. If he wanted his characters not to be ruined, then he should have kept control
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@@electrictroy2010 I mean...... I would be pissed if I was in his place
@@electrictroy2010 I thought George Lucas sold star wars to Disney because he think Disney can take good care of it?
same to all other things Video games Movie genres all goes Woke and yll real fans gets more angrs
@@kooe9554 he wanted that bag💰
Imagine having your entire personality explained in just "shes on tik tok"
and just as bad, a "gender"
Alternatively, it really tells you about the character, but not in a good way.
Yea WHAT THE FUCK
Or.. *shudders*.. A subreddit moderator
@@DarknessIsThePath Exactly.
Them trying to “diversify” the XMen when they have ALREADY been a symbol for the outcast and the mistreated since day 1 was so fvcking funny to me what are they even doing
isn't that exactly why they _should_ diversify the X-Men??? obviously with better characters, but those were just concepts
@@ashcommittedarsonbutinasexyway maybe i phrased it wrong, nothing bad about being even MORE diverse but just.. create characters that make sense
I wondered at that, too. I loved the New Mutants (X-Men 2nd gen.) because Ororo was such a strong leader; Wolverine grew on me, but it took years. Nightcrawler was QUITE different, being small, "black" German, and having a tail. And he was so tender and perceptive! But I HATED what happened to Angel, when he lost his wings.
They have to be XWomen
To be fair, Claremont, possibly the greatest X Men writer ever, made the good point that the original X Men team being an all white team that was supposed to represent diversity, was a bit of a problem, and that affected a lot of his writing decisions. And Claremonts run was GODLY, probably the greatest single X Men writing run.
Bruh, Stan Lee be spinning like a Beyblade in his grave by now.
Yep, Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko as well
lmao
Honestly, omg
Meanwhile East Asian Artists (the REAL ARTISTS) wanna die rn after seeing even a panel of these 'comics' and so do I 💀
Bro. He's spinning so fast he's generating more than half the power of downtown New York
Superhero’s then: We’re here to elevate the viewer and make them feel better about themselves, and give them something to strive for. Give a great story, and to push the viewer into something better, and represent the better side of the human race
Superheroes now: Let’s try and make crap stories and lie to people to make them buy and read our stupid stories
Like, I’m fine with characters being gay, black, white, idc. I just want superheroes to make me feel good about myself. I want superheroes to save people with their hearts, not their powers, not their beliefs. Their heart
It's really fine if a superhero character is black, white, or any colour. The problem is, they're forcing all those "quirky" stuffs to make them look different, which could ruin a part of the franchise.
Me as the reader: WHERE THE FUCK IS THE HEART? WHERE IS IT?
Exactly, in Young justice for example; I didn’t mind that much that they made Aquaman gay, however, they also put poli marriages and spend a lot of time talking about how Halo was non binary and making it sort of “virtuous” when it add no heroic traits to the plot. WHICH IS THE REASON I WATCH.
It feels like they just want to push to our throat the diversity ethos…
As a lesbian, THANK YOU!
@@alguienenelmundo10 Oh, they have a cast woth diversity!! How bad of them
I didn't abandon comics. Comics abandoned me.
Very well-put.
I feel your pain, buddy!
#me2😢
No, you abandoned comics. There is plenty of quality if you'd look. The fact you think there isn't means you never looked.
Truth!!!!
Pregnant spider woman is nothing more than the highest level of parental irresponsibility
Lol yeah so freaking stupid. More like accidental abortion Spiderwoman.
putting the baby's life in danger what a great role model 🤦🏾♂️
@@thealmightyme3988 these people don't think of babies as human, remember...
Yeah, that's ridiculous
Looked too young for a baby
My biggest problem isn’t that they are trying to write characters of different races, sexualities, or genders, it is that it’s the only personality of them. I have huge respect for Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse for taking Miles Morales, a character which I didn’t care for in the comics, and making him super endearing and full of personality. Miles is from the Bronx and is African American / Latino, if this was a modern DC comic that would be his whole personality, but although he is shaped by his background he is also so much more, he’s self conscious and creative, a real character moving and growing, not a mouth piece. I could not tell you a single other word about Snowflake’s personality other that “they are non-binary”.
@@Eosinophyllis I hate to say this and put you down but *what the hell was that webtoon description.* it feels like you're trying TOO hard for a personality to the point that they'll have everything at once and have no way to grow or change and will just end up as "personality confused pansexual jealous that best friend loves their boyfriend and not them. Oh and also an evil swan" when it drops. Now maybe if they started negative showed that caring side but was spiteful around that boyfriend although ultimately doing something stoic for her best friend and maybe the boyfriend despite her emotional judgement that could pose growth over episodes of understanding and acceptance while now keeping the spite of the love subtle instead of "guard dog best friend everyone finds annoying except friends" levels... As for that swan idk what all that is about. Maybe it could go along the plot or save it for another toon but it does seem like it's splitting the attention of the story 50/50 not in a good way but a out of place sore thumb way like i mentioned before
But it ain't my story I'm just putting my 2 sense in cause i want any better story than I'm Not Starfire or this xmen comic. Take my advice with a grain of salt because all i won was a school writting competition in middle school/freshman lol
@@flamingice3085 Thank you for the advice! I’m a bit of a try hard and not super sure about what I’m doing, so I actually appreciate it!
Also I promise it’s a lot less messy than the description.
Depending on the comics, Miles was extremely well written
@@alestell2134 There was a period for awhile there where he was just Peter Parker but black though
They f upt
3:26 Wtf with the Wattpad version of Bruce Wayne 😂😂
"One of them has a tik tok" imma stop you right there
When I heard that, *imma head out*
*imma wot is that*
I cringed unbelievably hard
You guys should try manga, in my opinion the stories in manga dont compare to dc and marvel comics cause they can do any type of story outside of heroes
Yesss 🙄😭
"One of them is basically the moderator for the mutant subreddit"
Ah. A twist villain, I see!
Discord mods: the big bad
Hell why not add "One of them also has foot fungus"
He must be an insufferable twit.
ahh, the old reddit switch-a-roo
"mutant subreddit" LMFAO
"...he was exposed to his grandfather's experimental internet gas." Those are words I thought I thought I would never hear put together but here we are in 2021 and this exists.
Imagine having creative freedom to make anything and you make this.
Is.. is creativity dying?
@@kevo300 Like spider man always said with great power come great responsibility but this people only have one of those traits
*NOT THE INTERNET GAS*
His "backstory" kinda reminds me of scarecrows but....w a y w o r s e
@@mattraj yeah
Honestly, I now understand why some people say “Just don’t shove it in my face”. This isn’t representation, I’d more so like if none of the characters were LGBTQIA+ than this. Is this honestly what comic book writers and older generations think we like? They are so obsessed with being relatable that they forget to actually make them feel human instead of a sad excuse for a trendy character.
Fr,like this is my main issue with usual comics these days,we don't need LGBTQ characters or any of that,what most matters is a good story,you can add pieces and everything but making a well flexed story and interesting characters that feel relatable instead of a annoying political agenda,but you know that's just my thoughts,but ye good comment👍💯
@@SpookyHost ok but that isn't fair. You may not need lgbt representation becuse you aren't lgbt but not everything is meant to appeal to you. There are real lgbt kids that would love to finally see someone that is like them. A big part of comic book heroes or characters in media in general is they're most of the time supposed to be relateble. I still remember the first time i saw a piece of media that had male same-sex relationship that weren't either one-sided tokens for diversity or the butt of the joke from their straight peers...i was 16 when i experienced that. While i've never had problems consuming media made by and for straight audiences, it does bring that extra oomf when the characters in question are relateble with a big part of your psychology and identity. Lgbt youth deserve that in the form of lgbt characters. Heterosexual and cisgender characters are everywhere, so i understand why alot of people don't understand the need for lgbt representation but cishet people would feel the same as lgbt people if almost every single character was lgbt. Im not saying the writers of these stories are doing good by making the stories like in this video, far from it. Lgbt people also do not want half-baked tokenisms of characters. We are not 2 dimensional beings with a sparkly label. What the writers are doing wrong is they're making them caricatures rather than characters. If you're going to do this, you might aswell not try to write queer characters. And if you still want to include lgbt people regardless, do not try to write lgbt unique experience like coming out and facing homophobia/transphobia if you do not know how to. Just make it so that they're viewed exactly the same as straight people but with an opposite sex partner and viola, easy gay character. Leave the more emotional and granted more realistic parts of growing up/being lgbt to people that know how to do it. Im not saying make every character gay ofcourse. But for the lgbt being about 10% of the population, there's a serious lack of us in alot of media let alone ones that are well written and not just a token side character. It doesn't help that content created by lgbt people revolving around lgbt characters are pushed against in alot of companies and media and outright censored in alot of countries.
@@zenzonerzz4789 actually I'm queer lmao😭,I'm just saying it doesn't matter regardless and I just look forward for a good story is all,but ye complete respect to what you might want in a story
@@SpookyHost i apolagize for assuming things then but yeah, a good story is what matters most at the end of the day
@@zenzonerzz4789 oh no no it's okay ^^ also thank you for being so kind and respectful :D
"Internet gas" sounds like something my son would've wrote. He's 7.
It is supposed to be for kids tho
i bet he would write something better.
@@localnatives1 do you really think comic books about LGBT or comic books in general are only for kids
@@c.l.u.e.7261 yeah they are lol
@@localnatives1 Your way of thinking is flawed but ok
She is right, heroes are someone who we can look upto, a role model
Not a kid with a tiktok account
I dunno man CharlieDMelio is such a good role model
@@loosens9999 lmao
@@loosens9999 LMFAO
@@loosens9999 LMFAOOOO
@@loosens9999 lmao good joke
They’re making comics for people who don’t even read comicsz
Exactly, same history with movies and series. When companies see his numbers down, all this "inclusive" wave is coming down
Comxcs*😔👌
So fucking true
Are you saying lgbt people and people of color don’t read comics?
@@beatriznascimento2116 well they do. It's just a small percentage of the fans to comics though. When you stop making your old content because of it, that's when it's an issue. There are a lot more straight males that read comics than any other. And to forget about their major audience is a bad business strategy and unkind to their readers.
I always felt like comics were a way to escape reality, imagine different worlds, be inspired and get creative. The last person I'm gonna 'relate' to is a tiktok influencer, that is not the everyday person or what everyday people want to become.
We want our kids to dream of being smart and strong, inventing new things and helping people, talking up the use of social media is not the way to do that.
I'm inspired by the OG comicbook heroes/vigilantes and will continue to re-read the same ones if this is what the future of comics looks like.
I promise you not all in the now comics are like this, I'm a sophmore in highschool and I read recent comics such as the Moon Knight 2021 comic and Nightwing fear state and those and comics alike DO in fact have good stories. I'm going to my local comic book store to see what I find but I'm pretty sure this woke political snowflake tiktok influencer stuff was just a one time thing pumped put by Marvel.
"Illegal to be a vigilante under the age of 21.:
Cuz being a VIGILANTE was legal to begin with
I want to see a scene in these where some rando just grabs a shotgun, and goes downtown to start murdering drug dealers and users, and when the police yell at him to drop the weapon, he responds with:
"It's OK, I'm over 21!"
Neffariousnyc My first thought as well.
These comics already don’t understand or explore the concept of vigilantism, the pros and cons of it. This guy doesn’t even understand what it actually means.
It's bullshit. Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive spider before puberty hit him.
Lol
@@knightdaemon4836 he got puberty lol he just wasn't 18 yet but I get what you're saying
"Magic Backpack" so she's basically Dora but with a heart condition
Don't insult Dora like that
She could have a heart attack while on the job what's the bag gonna do then😂😂😂😂
Basically Dora except she could only explore the line at the buffet, the only trail she blazed
LOL...IKR
Nah Dora could kick her ass, swiper would swipe every time cos when he didn't ask for consent to steal she would throw a fit
Preach it Sister. They are literally alienating half of the reader base. It's not just that they aren't making new interesting characters but they are drastically changing the classic favorites to their detriment
Stan Lee: "Don't make me come down there!!"
Please come down kind sir. We need you.
@@Halfcookedkohili yes we need Stan Lee
Maybe if we chant loud enough he’ll hear us. But for, they’re fucking with his characters. Next they’re gonna make a female version to every male superhero.
@@masterskywalker8877 honestly 😂
To be honest, he could save the comic industry, but... ye, that is not happening, the sjw took over,
What makes me also angry is that usually when they try the "fresh blood" they don't actually think of the agegroup they are representing.
When I was going to highschool, we had an exam (english is not my first language so I dunno what is the correct term for that exam) where they had written slangs and we needed to match them with their correct meaning...
My agegroup failed that part of the exam, because those slangs were not used by our agegroup.
What I am trying to say is, theese people think that the new generation is stupid, or simply black and white when it comes to thinking and things they like or relate to, they insert politics, feminism and whatnot into the comics what were supposed to give people freedom from theese very problems.
The only person who should have a magic backpack is Dora the Explorer.
Shamen of Alpha Flight has stepped out of his pouch into the chat
Imagine a crossover run with Dora, though. With Swiper as a master thief anti-hero and Boots ultimately betraying Dora
Im way more for Dora the Explorer becoming a legit Marvel hero than this. Thats saying something.
remember the og ? felix the cat
Magic back pack, that was just lame as hell.
They literally named these characters characters "Snowflake" and "Safespace". 💀💀
I can understand why people would hate on snowflake but can u explain about safespace?
@@theblueststar5316 safe space is exactly that. A safe place to be. Somewhere you can go free of judgment, problems, whatever bad thing you can think of. It can be anywhere you feel safe. It's become a bad thing to many because of the term snowflake. They are both directly linked.
@@basedblackgirl9920 oh I see now
@@basedblackgirl9920 Can you explain Snowflake? Sorry, I'm uncultured lol-
@@rosykindbunny1313 its like a term used commonly to describe individuales who get triggered easily, can't handle different perspectives/opinions, is ignorant about what other people think due to their ego, etc; mostly associated with Twitter users because of their nature of cancelling or getting mad at miniscule, or even non existent problems
"Magic backpack of divine origin"
" internet gas"
"That girrll👄💅 next door "
Oh i hate you😊
"His grandfather's experimental internet gas" That is possibly the worse thing I have ever heard
They meant to say he was experimenting with his grandfather’s gas(fart) while on the internet. BAM! A hero was born!
@@whitedragoness23 a perfect flashback for an anti-hero
I though I heard it wrong
but goddamn
Legit, what the fuck even is this shit
Tf is an internet gas to begin with
“Snowflake is non-binary” and that’s all the personality they’re gonna get god damnit
like did they have to make the first non binary character called "snowflake"
@@tedgreenwood2818 and their sibling or whoever the hell is named "safespace" like what
@@sambanjo 'Kay, but grammar though?
@@slevinchannel7589 they’re grammar was fine
@@tedgreenwood2818 EXACTLY- like I know the guy said “wearing a derogatory term as a badge of honor” but yeah not the best idea for the very first nb character
"One of them’s a cosplayer”
[Scratches head] Umm, they’re *all* cosplayers.
Superheroes and villains do costume business, not costume play.
@@louisduarte8763 I will be repeating this till the end of time. Thank you so much lol
@@notyalc2525 You're welcome, but I can't say I came up with that. I got it from a line by The Monarch on The Venture Brothers.
she probably wanted to say crossplayer XD
@@louisduarte8763 which kinds of begs the question….”why are they a cosplayer?” Cosplayers do it to play at being something less mundane. When you’re a costume wearing superhero I expect you’ll cherish the mundanity of normal life.
Its funny how feminism written by men made female representation even worse. Daily reminder that "Holy Menstruation!" was an actual catchphrase in a Ms Marvel comic.
Sounds like bullshit to me. You'll have to prove it before I will believe it.
@@lreking8929i just looked it up. Apparently it’s in America Chavez Issue 1
"One of them has a TikTok" - No. Just no.
"One of them is a moderator of a subreddit" - You mean the most nastiest of Villains?
"One of them has a TikTok" Wait, that's illegal (in the US)
yikes subreddit mods are the worst
Mods gay, ps this is just an inside joke on those sub Reddits
"MOMMY can we please get the new issue of redditor man"
The most nastiest of villains would be a /pol/ janitor
Stan lee: dies
Marvel: Oh yes, bad ideas
True
I knew MARVEL wont be the same once Stan Lee is gone but never thought to be this bad.
We miss you Stan 😔
BRUUUUH you speaketh the truth
To be fair, Stan Lee retired years before his death. Somehow they stayed afloat for a while, but now they’ve dropped the ball.
“I’m not starfire” a new joke has added
And they wonder why manga sells more than comics. Comics now is basically a woke agenda that they are pushing to the people who dont even read comics. Like you will see people defend I'm not starfire haven't actually read comics and I can bet that they will never buy that comic.
Well, for once, I’m not Starfire is not a comic. It’s a graphic novel, non canon and no related to any major storyline in the Dc universe.
Also, I don’t like the plot and find it extremely boring and uninteresting; but it is not Canon so, I can’t get angry for that. It’s a novel for teenagers, geez. Let it be.
Liam R3d I don’t care it is a graphic novel or not as long as a good story is written that what does matter. See how DC turned off the comments on twitter and TH-cam and it is just a graphic novel for teenagers. Can DC just think little bit before deciding to publish it.
Roshaan Hasanat it is a graphic novel. But still good point what you said
@@talxxn the thing is that for these teenagers I can bet u rn they would rather read manga cuz it's free and they dont have to pay and its easily accessible. That's why I say that they are selling to the wrong crowd. Like if you want to gain a new audience then do that no one is hating but when your methods of gaining the new audience is gonna make you lose your current audience then there is a problem.
My mind went WTF while watching the opening montage.
Apologies 😂
Mainstream writers don’t get it. “Female” isn’t a personality trait. “Tiktoker” isn’t a personality trait. Strong, proud, self centered, silly, forgetful those are personality traits. Why put so much focus on things we either can’t control or is so basic to modern people that it’s not even a thought in most peoples minds. He’s on social media. As is most people.
Ok I have some ideas
Snowflake: they are loud, a bit self centered, but care deeply about other people and think it’s best to reclaim things before they come back to hurt us
Safe space: he’s big, he’s strong, but he is a gentle gaint and thinks aggression is the worst course of action
B negative: one of those classic “Tsundere” acts super negative and like nothing could get worse so she can save herself from feeling hurt in the future
@@thetomfooler3192 Boom. Just made it ten times better.
@@snibbubzik3566 thanks!
This is just a high-level introduction to the hero concepts. I'm sure they have personalities and we'll find out more about those in the comics themselves.
@@irrevenant3 fair. We shouldn't throw all criticism before we actually read the material.
"One of them is the Moderator to a Mutant Subreddit"
Remember, if you ever feel down and bad, someone made this character thinking it was going to be great.
And the worst thing is, it could actually be a good premise with a little more thought put into it. Mutant Subreddit = Place where the "weird kids" go to feel less alone. Moderator of said Subreddit = "I really care about this place and want it to be a safe place for other kids like me". The thing is that for a good story this needs to be shown, not told. The latest writers seem to leave all the stories for the readers' interpretation - probably to truly "maximize the inclusivity".
Next superhero is a discord mod on an anime hangout
Reddit would probably hate this character
The mod's lifelong foe is Mr. Jailbait
The average Reddit mod’s special superpower is rolling at the enemy like the boulder from Indiana Jones.
"He doesn't have friends,he has followers"
that cringed me
That's incredibly depressive
look how they massacred my boy
That could actually be a really interesting element of characterization to explore. How having followers instead of friends impacts the character mentally and emotionally, how the need for likes and upvotes have corroded away the lines between the performative self and the real self leading to a sense of unfulfillment and desperate need to be accepted.
Maybe that could be the motivation to be a hero, only to realize it's ultimately the same thing, a performance and mask to gain approval of people they don't have any meaningful connection to. Over the course of the story they make real connections and the motivation changes to a desire to protect their new found family. It could be a whole growth arc.
But I doubt any of that will be in it.
Cool, so he's an asshole
Writer: “New law makes it illegal to be a vigilante under the age of 21.”
Me: Since when was being a vigilante legal?
Seeing grownass people trying to write "zoomer-like" stories and are so confident to think younger generations are going to love them, made me get stage 7 critical cringe
Call an ambulance....
Same, especially the stuff about their characters having social media, like that somehow makes them appealing??
@@beccag2758 "It's crap I don't get but the kids like, so it must work that way"
It seems kinda obvious thats a big part of the point. You're not supposed to think "he doesn't have friends ...he has followers .." Is cool. It's satirical
Are you aware that many genz are now "grownass people" and that entertainment has ALWAYS had adults making content for the younger generations?
same
These new comics have a very "how do you do, fellow kids" energy.
"Hey lets wright about zoomers" said the bunch of 50 year old white doods
@@aduck1359 Its not written by 50 year old white dudes though, did you see all the interviews at the beginning of the video? Those are all Millennials and Zoomers in charge of the industry writing now.
The Internet gas killed me LMAO.
@@neoasura not zoomers, zoomers aren't old enough to be given any creative control over comic books, these are millennial hipsters who want to be trendy and appeal to kids but without any idea firstly of what teenagers actually want out of a story and secondly of how to bridge the generation gap between older readers and younger ones despite it definitely being possible. They finished high school either before smart phones or just as smart phones were becoming a common thing so they don't understand how they and social media have affected the way kids grow up and form identities these days, and its extremely obvious. They see how connected young people are to the internet and they see nothing else, and this confuses them because its something they are not able to truly grasp as effortlessly as zoomers do. I wish these people would stop trying to be trendy and hip with the kids and just write stories they actually want to read because it doesn't matter how old you are I guarantee your story will be way more engaging to people of all ages if you yourself actually enjoy it.
@@neoasura no shiz, the entire point though is older people tend to push this on young writers and young creators. I think someone who is young realizes that social media isnt a "hip young person thing." It is something in the background. Not their personality. Like a comic character in the 2000s watching tv or playing video games in the background of a comic scene. Not the ENTIRE PLOT. So dumb, theyre using social media like a shtick
IDK what y'all say, "experimental internet gas" is my favourite meme.
Sounds like the sort of plot they have in 'Red Dwarf' and that is not exactly serious.
I wonder if it smells like Cheetos and Mountain Dew.
they could've went with something like a virtual reality gear which connects to the brain and projects the contents of the Vr via dreams,
and somehow the dude overused it and the programs and the contents of the Vr are now stuck in his brain
It honestly sounds like something an elderly person who's never read a comic would say to make fun of comic book readers.
Kid got brap'd on
Mangas and manhwas welcome you with open arms
not metion manhuas cuz it kinda trash sometime
@@23le09pha in any genre there will be goods and bads in quality, its not just manhuas
@@cymikgaming1266 yeah like i said "sometimes" manhuas always copy the old the same one, after life, regression, reincarnation, etc, awful art quality overtime and losing some brain cells some of it after read more than 90 manhuas include love story.
“Snowflake and Safespace...”
omg, just call this team the social justice warriors and don’t attach them to the new warriors, x-men, Avengers, etc
yup. And if they want to use as badges names we use to identify toxic people add to that team the Boomer and the Karen, also the Choosing Beggar and the Nice Guy
Can you imagine the pitch meeting for this one?
the social justice league
If the comic was just a parody comic called the social justice warriors I have a feeling it would really popular
It would be nice to have a non binary super hero, but the charadesign and names of those characters are the worst thing you could do 😭
"It's illegal to be a Vigilante under the age of 21"
There's an age condition for it to be legal?
Like *yeah man you can take the test for the license next week but you can't drink*
Spiser man saw 15
They obviously didn't watch Kick Ass
Isn't the point of a vigilante that it's illegal to be one?
They watched MHA, which is pretty bad on its own. Guarantee it.
Im happy Stan Lee is in a better place now, look whats becoming of this world.
this is happening because he's gone
the marvel part of it anyway
This one comment explained the whole video to me. Thanks like video, like comment. And subscribed
Sounds sus, but I get what you mean, lmao
Where is MY safe space?
"We're not worried about being dated we wanna be now" that...doesn't make sense
When someone thinks what they said is smart:
All those of characters look like middle school deviant art oc's...
I was looking for a way to put it and you’ve made it very clear , thank you
That is just what they are, they’re not comic quality
I feel like that is unfair to deviant art OCs. At least the middle schoolers who made them will likely learn and be able to develop their OCs into something great in a few years time. These people... they believe they are the pinnacle of character creators.
Pfftttt yeah
More like Tumblr ... there are some really talented people on Deviantart (like Artgerm, Adam Warren, Happywak, Janaschi ... etc)
The whole idea of zoomers accepting mutants undermines the entire point of the X-Men comics in the first place.
THANK YOU
The whole point of the X-men was to represent other groups through the story. EVERYBODY can relate to them. So in order for mutants to exist with the narrative they need to be hated and endure to show that throughout the trials and tribulation, the X-Men are a representation of human bigotry. So Zoomers liking them makes no sense. This would mean they themselves are self aware in there own universe. They just missed the point of the X-Men all together and replacing it with an agenda that isn't suited for the story to begin with.
Manga and Manwha > comics. I beg you comic readers to please try some anime and manga because I can guarantee you guys would like it. I love dc and marvel but the story telling in manga don't compare to new comics.
EXACTLY! Make new shit stop tearing down old stuff.
Proper Anime I absolutely agree, not that I want to disrespect people taste. But I just can't get into Comic book, there is sooooooo many literation and alteration, so many retcon, Rebirth, Reboot, convoluted canoncy, alternate universe, parallel, also not being a western also contributed to not being able to buy or read comic since childhood, the only thing we could get from DC or Marvel is the animated and movie. Instead here in Asia import manga are flowing from Japan, the story was also made by only one writer, there is no weird inconsistency, nor a random people ruining the legacy.
"One of them has a tiktok"
We want comics, not renegade tutorial
Yeah they want to reach "young" people which they dont really know 99% of tiktok girls arent comic fans
And wont be comic fans just because they made these shit
Fr, their acting as if some tiktokers are suddenly gonna read their comic just because one of them has a tiktok 🤦♀️
now i can just imagine her killing bad guys while doing the renegade oh my god- 😂😂😂😭
@@sageglay9211 NOTHING WILL BEAT THE BATMAN COMICS THO
@@leroyvermilion7708 i never talked about batman-_- but now that u mentioned it alot of comics can beat batmans single comics such as the ones with Justice League and some of Flash comics and Constantine vs trigon
"A hero in my mind takes the moral high ground, and can be tempted back down - because they're only human".
Beautifully phrased, lord.
Superman's alter-ego; Clark Kent, is how he sees us. Human - it means we're feeble, but strong.
“Being a vigilante under the age of 21 is illegal”. Isn’t being a vigilante just illegal in general?
Not going to use labels, also this is the jock, this is the non-binary one, this is the internet kid, this is the goth, and this one's grandpa left her a magic backpack full of an endless supply of twinkies.
Yeah, vigilantism "is the act of enacting perceived justice summarily and without legal authority." (Wikipedia)
@@duckseverywhere7087 Yeah if it's sanctioned by the government and publicly supported it's just heroism.
If it's government supported and against public support it's authoratarianism.
If it's not government supported and has public support it's vigilantism/anarchism.
If it's not government supported and doesnt have public support it's villainy.
@@duckseverywhere7087 yeaah That is Wiki's words and the fool who wrote it is probably a Senator or some Assholes in a high Position somewhere...someone deeply rooted in the Law world i know for Fact.
Aint no precieved.
Basically do not operate against Crime without Government Approval/support and Authority. If you do then you are illegally fighting Crime.
Ive always hated How Vigilantism was Looked down upon by the Government.
And they always spit that "well its for the safety of the people...its what Law enforcement are for" Crap.
Ah...No! it is because you want to establish and keep a Bar that people need to stay in our place and know our place in the world and that police will always be a dominant approved force and if anybody henders that force without Authority...They are criminals.
Also in Raw Honest Secret Truth...that they will never ever tell you by mouth, but they will throw the truth in Movies and books. So it will be up to you to look past the Hollywood magic to see the Message of Truth.
But what they will not tell you is...
Its most importantly so that somebody or Somebodies do not rise and move the people in Solid Unity against the government order...because that type of power DOES NOT DIE OFF once it is awakened. That type of torch does not go out. It just gets picked up by another sooner or later.
Even if the person or persons have been caught and put behind bars for life or lets say...killed by the state then that will only leave for their philosophy to continue on and someone probably Greater and more dangerous then them will appear and continue that work.
So yeah.
@@thedivineswordpoet4401
Actually, the reason vigilantism is illegal IS for the safety of the people. Look at all the rape accusations which turn out to be utterly fabricated... Imagine if the fathers or brothers of every one of those false accusers, or some Deadpool/Punidher/Batman type went and killed the guy, only for the woman to go "Oh, tee hee, I was totally just joking. I didn't want my boyfriend to break up with me because I cheated on him... Whoopsie."
Vigilantism is illegal because that individual isn't determined "Guilty" until the verdict is read out among a jury of their peers. Spider-Man hearing some tidbits isn't enough for that individual to face justice at his hands.
Just remember that demon slayer had the MC'S family slaughtered by Micheal Jackson while marvel had some guy come up with internet gas
Or that Attack on Titans MC's mom was eaten by a Nancy Pelosi titan look-a-like
@@finecastleie who is essentially his step mother
@@croverns164 biggest plot twist ever
You act like all of marvel comics has been like this garbage, what the fuck is being a reddit moderator mean being a SUPERHERO. It’s pathetic shit like this that makes people have such a bad rep on Marvel when it’s stories are more than this contrived “progressive” bullshit.
@@wobblecrash chill spoilers man
villains in future be like:
i'm gonna destroy satellite so no one can cancel me anymore, haha
😂🤣😂🤣
Funniest shet I've seen tonight 😂😭
This is the comment that no one wants, but everyone needed
Wouldn’t that make the villain a hero?
Then after he succeeds he'll say, "mwahahahaaaaa, POOP😈"
Oh hell nah that last one with Bruce Wayne was a disgrace what did they do to Batman bro
"She inherited from her grandfather a magic backpack... of divine origin."
"Screentime is a internet kid... as a youth he was exposed to his grandfather's experimental internet gas, and that has patched him permanently into the world wide web."
These are some of the stupidest premises for comics I've ever heard. How stupid are these people?
yes
0iq
More like how stupid are the people that gave them the green light.
Seems on par with some of the powers I've seen in anime though LOL
Seriously, some of the powers in My Hero Academia or One Piece could definitely rival these in ridiculousness ;D
Lot's of heroes origins, powers and names are dumb as fuck, who calls themselves mr fantastic. He went to space, now he is stretchy... sure.
When Stan Lee passed, I asked my brother “What do you think they’re going to do now? I hope they don’t ruin it.” This, this is worse than I imagined..
stan lee stopped writing comics a longggggg time ago
@@nickfolesfanbase7258 yeah but everything he created is nothing compared to whatever these THINGS are
Im just glad he doesn't have to see what those """"""writers""""" have done to the industry. Its a godamn shame "'"hero's"'' now a days are just "I hAvE tIk ToK aNd UsE tWiTtEr"
Poor old man.......they tarnished, stepped, and spat on his hard earned legacy like it's fucking nothing it disgusted me to no end
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@@RX0_GundamUnicorn its painful to hear it from anyone else tbh, because it is excruciatingly true
"experimental internet gas"
No matter how much sense it makes in context, this will always sound stupid
It doesn't make sense even in context.
How can it make sense in the context? It's called INTERNET GAS!
What, how, why 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Yeh and he can "Google at any time." Almost like anyone with a cellphone.
All these stories suck. Are cringe. And are racist of low expectations.
I want good stories. With characters that just happen to be a member of a minority. Not a character where their entire character trait is being a minority
Seriously... So the dude is basically just a human phone? He can save the world by saving time, instead of having to reach for his phone it's all in his head already .... Wow, great superhero, verrrrry interesting...
It was great to here someone talk directly about the Hero’s Journey!
Actually they did. They described the first step as the Hero identifying their sexuality.
This is why manga is becoming more popular in the U.S, because our comic markets are trash.
Japanese manga, korean manhwa, and now chinese manhua (though many are still shit but they're catching up) really have great quality nowadays.
@@klauserji and they aren't drowning in politics as much
@@klauserji manhua and manhwa are literally dog shit man. Manga is great and American comics are still kicking too there's more comics than just superheroes, exampless; the walking dead, American gods, locke and key.
Bruh manga has been echi shit for the last 7 years
@@brotothewilliams9890
And yet, it's still more popular than US comics right now. So hooray for ecchi.
“Experimental internet gas”
“Magic backpack”
Ok I’m done… see y’all in the manga section where good content is still alive
Try indie comics if you haven't. They are good.
@@monarkjain613 Webtoons
So dora-
To me the ironic thing is that manga and Japan has been criticized as being non-pc. But manga has had some of the best trans characters I’ve ever seen. Blue period is a manga that has a great trans character, to the point it was incredibly refreshing to see.
@@Milark the reason it’s labeled as “non-pc” is because they aren’t blatantly saying “THIS CHARACTER IS GAY BECAUSE WE NEED MORE GAY CHARACTERS”
Mangakas don’t write lgbt characters into their stories for representation, they do it for fun. They don’t virtue signal with their art form. And PC culture hates that.
That need to write characters who’s personalities aren’t just gay, memes, or TIk tok
I once went to an acting class and there was a girl whose whole personality was exactly that. Congratulations you gave me war flashbacks
Like I'm all for gay and non-bianry characters, but they kinda have to be characters first...
@@RogueRen thats why this was made because people like you think this is good
@@blob5907 He's literally saying they aren't good
@@blob5907 yeah you dumb fucking blob, read.
Before, in movies and in comics - fewer people were involved. It often told one ☝️ story that the writer(s) themselves had gone through. It was personal.
Today? It’s all about collaborations and ideas of what they’ve seen or watched, rather than gone through themselves. That is what is missing. Something that has been real to someone,.. 👍
The dumbest thing they could've done is naming the Non-Binary character "Snowflake"
I just can't process the fact that several people designed that character, the name, the idea, etc and all collectively agreed that "yes, this is a good idea" 😭😭
@@beec6837 This is why old people ( no offense ) should don't do stuff targeted for younger people.
Why is it dumb?
@@crushersbutlessedgynow Because calling someone snowflake is meant to be an insult. It means you're sensitive and weak, and people who say that often direct it at LGBTQ+ people, so the fact that they named one of their first non-binary characters that was a horrible idea.
@@beec6837 did not pay attention what they were saying?
The way they started pulling shit shit as soon as Stan Lee died makes me feel like he was holding this back.
Lol. Stan Lee was very experimental and allowed people to interpret his IP, but he was not insane.
@@dongysakura418 at least stan lee didn't make garbage like this
Was him still getting that involved before he died?
I mean Stan Lee said Spider-Man should be gay
@@TheShadowman79 he even pokes fun at the fact that people thought Spider-Man was going to be bisexual and shut the idea down
If you want a character that’s relatable to this generation look at Yuji Itadori from Jujutsu Kaisen, his entire goal is to die. And we all know how much everyone wants to do that these days.
👏 Un 👏 der👏rated 👏
Well that one way of looking at it 😂👌
Honestly all of them rep the generation well...dc and marvel take notes 📝
I died laughing
Well this is a m o o d
Thank you. Glad to see a young person get it.
They aren't even trying to write characters anymore, they are just ticking a bunch of boxes.
It's like pandering comes first, storytelling comes second.
How ironic that their pandering to the younger generations is what makes it so inaccessible and cringe to said generations; there’s so much more to an age group’s culture than the social media they use. It’d be like if they made a “MySpace” Man back in the early 2000’s it’s just so odd 😅
@@sootekken These superheros were designed to make money not memories and it shows. Since when is reducing your target audience down to irritating stereotypes ever a good idea!? That only alienates the people you're trying to give a home. (Speaking as someone who they alienated)
@@sootekken exactly.
If anything, it just feels patronizing
@@-mousemicemices-2158 and they even try to frame it as "we are reclaiming and fighting against the stereotypes! ", but their way of fighting against them is by making their characters into said stereotypes..?
It just makes no sense.
And I wouldn't call that storytelling, more like awful fanfiction/self-inserts.
Holy crap that "Gotham High" thing sounds like a crappy fanfiction plot
it sounded the best of the lineup. but thats not saying much.
before I read comments I too thought ?Riverdale? Oh, Gotham, huh?
And she didn't even mention Bruce Wayne is Asian and Alfred is his Asian gay uncle... 😔
What do you mean, it is
No one cares about your opinions
Get the fuck over yourself
"Snowflake & Safespace" *facepalm* Why do I feel like an old person complaining about young generations and I'm only 25??
But to be honest, the ones at fault are our same generation of snowflakes and the generation above us trying to make cash with us, it is actually a combination of them and us that are feeding the Gen Z with this horrible bullshit propaganda and ruining every medium possible.
See? Millenials and GenZ are the first generations to be young but act and feel like stick-waving, grumpy grandpas at the same time.
I feel your pain, except I'm 18 and feel like I saw two very different versions of the same world.
One where everything and everyone was normal (when I was younger) and one where everything is so, so very screwed up (now). 🥺
@@lupinsredjacket3191 yess so true, I've been thinking about that a lot, and it seems that everything started changing extremely fast since 2014.
Ironically, this is uniting all generations under the same "what the fuck are they doing?" banner and idea. And I'm 39.
nonbinary, overweight, neglected, internet-addicted, these are NOT personality traits. If you're using these words to describe a character, you are being shallow and doing a disservice to those characters and everyone who happens to share those traits, because that is not something that should define them. There is so much more to a person than that.
They create these characters to make themselves feel like heroes, Not to Inspire being a Hero
exactly
Alternative title: Reasons I read manga
This could be true to some of the brand new titles but the Manga industry as a whole and stuff like Shonen haven't split from their originality like DC and Marvel
Haha i guess imma back to my manga
@@taeinkang4971 Sorry, I don't understand your point.
@@taeinkang4971 Mind explaining in depth?
@@taeinkang4971 you're probably one of those people who thing all shōnen manga are the same, then explain how is something like chainsaw man the same as Bakuman? Or Mob psycho 100 and Nisekoi? Or freaking Spy x Family and the promised Neverland? All of these series are different because guess what shōnen is not a genere is a target demographic, and it's sure as hell way more diverse that anything DC or Marvel have release in the last decade, like just show one comic book that isn't about a superhero or that culminates in a big event like secret wars or the 15th time the multiverse gets rebooted, show me a marvel or DC comic that's pure comedy or a romcom and then I would believe your statement......
Manga: he is a boy who became a swordman to vanish demons from this world and save his sister
Comic: they have tik tok
Manga/Anime supremacy 🔥
fr... imo manga is getting better and better and comics worse and worse xD
Yes, it becomes even more jarring when you look at manga's like "Kimetsu no Yaiba" and that is IMHO not even the gold standard. Western comics have lost everything that used to make them so cool. That would be stories like "Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood"
God I’ve always thought manga was shit (still is IMO) but I may have to drive myself to read them if this is the shit we’re getting
@@goofball5182 Well it really depends on what you think of when you generalize manga. Unlike comics, there's pretty much a manga for EVERYTHING. I don't read manga too much myself, but it's crazy how much they vary from laid back high school comedies to incredibly violent revenge stories.
"I can feel your anger. It gives you focus, makes you stronger." and I agree with you!
Comic Characters then:
A young boy loses his parents in front of his eyes and donates his life to fighting crime to keep anyone from feeling his pain ever again
An alien is taken in by a goodwilled couple and becomes a god with more humanity than those he fights
A scientist is struck by lightning and gains the ability to run faster than ever thought possible, them finds out that he can reverse time but has to come to terms with the fact that he can't save his mother.
Comic characters now:
A tiktoker
A reddit mod
An Instagram fitness page
Upgrades?
And Americans wonder why manga is mopping the floor with them in sales
They don’t even have to have a tragic backstory, if that’s what they’re going for but that still means they need to be well written.
@@HiBuddyyyyyy of course they don't. But you can't make a character whose entire personality is 'She's a tiktoker'.
Also, willing to bet that one of the 'villains' these guys fight will be some variation of a school brainwashing kids into not thinking independently.
@Azrael agreed.
Mangas meanwhile:
The first male in the bible fights the king of Olympus in a fight to decide if humanity should be wiped out or not.
Marvel:
EXPERIMENTAL INTERNET GAS
Imagine thinking "colourful characters" means literally making them neon pink and green.
Superheroes in general are already pretty colorful in general too😂
"We don't care about being dated, we care about being now" that's why these comics are failing. Stan Lee created characters that are timeless and are loved by millions. they stay relevant because they appeal to the imagination and are well developed characters people can relate to with unique super powers. this new team of creators only cares for appealing to the current generation, using whatever is popular at the moment
Seriously? Experimental Internet Gas and now he can look up any google fact in an instant with his mind? oh boy, Galactus and Thanos must be shaking in their boots now
You know i will stay with what you said STAN LEE cared about his work and how he shaped them for people to understand what they are thats why we remember his creations, nowadays if you ask for the new characters like the new warrios and other they dont remember then, they just appeard on videos beign criticized and the only thing that make them important are the movies simple.
Love this comment right here.
So, if he has access to the internet anytime, what did he find in the Deep Web?
@@user-ir1xo9jp8w Get out of my head! I was thinking the same thing! XD
My favorite quote from Stan Lee when ridiculed for not making more diverse character was that it shouldn't matter if they're male female black white yellow all that should matter is that they are doing the right thing and helping people
I agree with you 💯%!!! I’m sick of businesses pushing their political agendas.
How do you feel about the owners of gun shops?
This is why Manga and Indie Comic is the future.
Manga will stand the test of time because when you get down to it, manga has no chill. None whatsoever.
@@VaughanRoderick Care to elaborate? I'm interested in your opinion. I sort of understand, but not quite... what do you mean when you say "manga has no chill"? (not a native English speaker).
@@VaughanRoderick Uh-huh now I get it, yes indeed that makes sense.
It is also true that they tackle ideas in a different and in some many cases bizarre/blunt ways. (closest examples in mind are: Berzerk, Baki, Re: Zero, and any manga by Junji Ito).
@@VaughanRoderick This dude doesn't read enough american comics and it shows, there's a lot of American titles that are just as worse sometimes even worse than Manga. I can even name 10 off the top of my head. Manga is just gaining popularity in the west will it stand the test of time? That remains to be seen because Japanese culture is currently a trend. I've been reading manga and watching anime since the 90's and while it's at the biggest in popularity it's been in recent history it's a bit of a stretch to say it will stand the test time. Outside of DBZ Manga/Anime has no iconic characters known globally.
There's also more to horror manga than just junji Ito.
@@VaughanRoderick Goodnight Punpun is ridiculously good, that manga is life itself and that hurts.
Imagine introducing wolverine to an audience and the only thing you tell them is "he's straight, identifies as he /him" and expecting them to give you money to read that comic.
That sentence about Triangles being the hottest
had me cringe so hard i almost died.
"he's short with anger issues and regeneration power"
sounds much better and actually makes you wonder where will it go
"This is Scott Summers. He wears some pretty cool sunglasses."
**moves on to next character**
“And that Gambit... Oh God... I want him dead.”
Maybe if you read the comic you'll see their growth and purpose explained further. Hulk was just a guy who turns big and green when mad and Peter parker is a college nerd who got bitten by a spider. I'm sorry that gender, sexuality bothers you, but this is the beginning of a new era where it's becoming a norm, give them a chance.
Getting super powers from "Experimental Internet Gas" is probably the stupidest origin story I've ever heard. If I had an entire lifetime to brainstorm, I don't even think I could think up something lamer than that.
2 words. Radioactive spider.
While it's dumb it's probably just technopathy and they wanted to make it sound different. Most heroes get powers from dumb things so as long as it's done well it's not that bad. The important thing is their character and actions. Wally west was somehow struck by lightning near the same chemicals that made the flash by complete accident. Spiderman was bit by a radioactive spider. Batman was made because he couldn't get over his parents deaths like a normal person. If they spin it as nanobots that were designed to create wider coverage but his body somehow integrated them into his body then it would be slightly less lame but still one of the weirder ones.
@@yturieowpq at least a spider can be radioactive... But Internet gas? Wtf is that?
im sorry, internet gas????🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Im wheezing....coz wtfff mahnnn
@@yturieowpq not as dumb
appeling to zoomer ideology is not a bad thing, but this is no the way. You can take some movies or books or even webtoons and realize that the last thing zoomers want is characters to be like them. They dont care about characters who have tiktok or instagram.