Mutant, the damage is still multiplicative. The STACKS are no longer multiplicative. This means if now gives 100% AMPLIFIED damage vs the previous 170% amplified damage. It still does a lot more damage than Striker's on a full red build.
@@mutantcowboy7341 Flatline is. That's easy to test. Whatever damage I do with Flatline, at 100 stacks I do double damage. Spotter has to be as well. It's AMPLIFIED damage, so is ALWAYS 100% multiplicative. But even with the FIX, the Heartbreaker Chest is still the best option. Focus might do more damage, but it's a completely diferent playstyle.
@@hazchem9874 Just because they read like something does not mean anything in the Division :D Sadist is amplified but says nothing. What I mean is that by adding more pulsed damage buffs it seems like the Devs made a new damage category like target out of cover or total weapon damage. By doing so are they planning to keep them multiplicative or will they do like the other buffs and be additive with others of the same type?
If your plan is to boost the shield enough to hide behind to tank a bit I would definitely switch back to Technician for the extra skill tier and Artificer. Then I would drop the HB backpack since you won't really need that much bonus armor if your shield holds up. i would swap to a Ceska with Vigilance since bonus armor protects Vigilance and the shield protects your bonus armor. The extra damage drops enemies quicker so less time being shot, essentially protecting the shield. i would drop the 2nd piece of Ceska and use the Motherly Loves glove. More skill health for shield and skill repair to boost Artificer heal. Use that 3rd mod slot for Bleed Resistance.
Yeah Firewall sucks :D that armor kit though..... Rolling off technician or Memento from a shield build is one of those, I just want something different moments. A few builds make it work, but not many.
@@mutantcowboy7341 in that case, then maybe run Fixer Drone with Motherly Love? I think Fixer can heal the shield. Then keep Firewall for the added damage. Or maybe 1pc Empress for the Skill Health and the Defender Drone?
I guess it's really depends on what your looking for in a shield build. There's so many ways to play this game. That's what makes it fun. I run plenty of 2 blue core shield builds and the objective changes from tanking to doing fast dps from a well timed flank. Clear a whole room from a well timed push. Used the Backfire with HB as well but used a ceska backpack with vigilance. Still 1.3 mil armor and gunner spec and its pretty decent. Not my top build but it's a nice change up. Imo HB really helps weapons that require stacks like the chameleon and Backfire. Gives them that up front umph they are missing.
Billy, I agree with much of your post, save the last comments. I love both the chameleon and the BF, but stacking guns like those are problematic because it takes away the ability to weapon switch. In HB, its pretty important to be able to swap, both for the stack increase and for the quick infusion of bonus armor. That said, your foremost point stands: play to your style and have fun with it. I'll take a team comprised of smart players with decent builds over a squad of unthinking clowns running "meta" builds any day. Peace to you.
It does build on shield hits, but can't stop the stagger. It is unblockable. Just like D1 they keep spitting on the shield at the end of a game.... And 8x damage in PVP is just insane.
Yeah, my biggest problem was trying to avoid the tech just because I wanted to. Tech makes the best shield builds period, the memento also puts in serious work.
@@mutantcowboy7341 also a good idea. To be honest I watch build videos because I like to hear the thought processes behind them. I understand what makes a cohesive build but I like the ones that are sort of good ideas on paper, and not that good in real terms (IMO like 4pc heartbreaker and vigiliance just as a super lazy example). But I think your idea probably has a good amount of mileage. I'd definitely watch that over people posting variations on the same tried-and-tested builds.
Mutant, the damage is still multiplicative.
The STACKS are no longer multiplicative.
This means if now gives 100% AMPLIFIED damage vs the previous 170% amplified damage.
It still does a lot more damage than Striker's on a full red build.
Yeah i think they want "damage to pulsed targets" to be another buff type. Are flatline and spotter multiplicative with HB? Need to check I guess.
@@mutantcowboy7341 Flatline is. That's easy to test. Whatever damage I do with Flatline, at 100 stacks I do double damage.
Spotter has to be as well. It's AMPLIFIED damage, so is ALWAYS 100% multiplicative.
But even with the FIX, the Heartbreaker Chest is still the best option. Focus might do more damage, but it's a completely diferent playstyle.
@@mutantcowboy7341 flatline and spotter both read as ‘amplified’ damage in talents which means they are multiplicative
@@hazchem9874 Just because they read like something does not mean anything in the Division :D Sadist is amplified but says nothing.
What I mean is that by adding more pulsed damage buffs it seems like the Devs made a new damage category like target out of cover or total weapon damage. By doing so are they planning to keep them multiplicative or will they do like the other buffs and be additive with others of the same type?
If your plan is to boost the shield enough to hide behind to tank a bit I would definitely switch back to Technician for the extra skill tier and Artificer.
Then I would drop the HB backpack since you won't really need that much bonus armor if your shield holds up. i would swap to a Ceska with Vigilance since bonus armor protects Vigilance and the shield protects your bonus armor. The extra damage drops enemies quicker so less time being shot, essentially protecting the shield.
i would drop the 2nd piece of Ceska and use the Motherly Loves glove. More skill health for shield and skill repair to boost Artificer heal. Use that 3rd mod slot for Bleed Resistance.
Yeah Firewall sucks :D that armor kit though..... Rolling off technician or Memento from a shield build is one of those, I just want something different moments. A few builds make it work, but not many.
@@mutantcowboy7341 in that case, then maybe run Fixer Drone with Motherly Love? I think Fixer can heal the shield. Then keep Firewall for the added damage. Or maybe 1pc Empress for the Skill Health and the Defender Drone?
I guess it's really depends on what your looking for in a shield build. There's so many ways to play this game. That's what makes it fun. I run plenty of 2 blue core shield builds and the objective changes from tanking to doing fast dps from a well timed flank. Clear a whole room from a well timed push. Used the Backfire with HB as well but used a ceska backpack with vigilance. Still 1.3 mil armor and gunner spec and its pretty decent. Not my top build but it's a nice change up. Imo HB really helps weapons that require stacks like the chameleon and Backfire. Gives them that up front umph they are missing.
Billy, I agree with much of your post, save the last comments. I love both the chameleon and the BF, but stacking guns like those are problematic because it takes away the ability to weapon switch. In HB, its pretty important to be able to swap, both for the stack increase and for the quick infusion of bonus armor.
That said, your foremost point stands: play to your style and have fun with it. I'll take a team comprised of smart players with decent builds over a squad of unthinking clowns running "meta" builds any day. Peace to you.
Hey. I have heartbreaker build and I wanted to ask... What should i put on LMG, health dmg or dmg to armor? Thanx.
On an LMG I would say go with rate of fire. But if you hate heavies and warhounds go health.
I wish they remove the disorient status after the shield breaks.
Part of me thinks that's why they added catharsis.
Haven't been using shields though so I dunno if it stacks when shield is hit
It does build on shield hits, but can't stop the stagger. It is unblockable. Just like D1 they keep spitting on the shield at the end of a game.... And 8x damage in PVP is just insane.
Well I’m glad I didn’t waste time trying this out
I’m gonna rebut that point I just made. There is potential to combine the dps of the backfire with technician artificer for shield survivability
Yeah, my biggest problem was trying to avoid the tech just because I wanted to. Tech makes the best shield builds period, the memento also puts in serious work.
wait what builds were changed from multiplicative to additive?
Heartbreaker stacks no longer buff themselves. Just a flat 1-100% damage buff against pulsed targets.
I wanna see more crappy and/or bang average builds!
I'm sick of all this NEW META bullshit. 😁
I was thinking about making level 30 builds for level 40 content....
@@mutantcowboy7341 also a good idea. To be honest I watch build videos because I like to hear the thought processes behind them. I understand what makes a cohesive build but I like the ones that are sort of good ideas on paper, and not that good in real terms (IMO like 4pc heartbreaker and vigiliance just as a super lazy example). But I think your idea probably has a good amount of mileage. I'd definitely watch that over people posting variations on the same tried-and-tested builds.
@@mutantcowboy7341 I kept some level 31-38 items to help my speedrun NYC boosted character 🤣