That's exactly what frustrates me when I watch let's plays of this game, people who just button mash 32 contradictory commands at once, don't pay attention to what Trico is doing or where he's looking or don't take the time to pet it or praise it when he does something right, they also can't usually put two and two together (the catapult part is the best example) but obviously to those people it's always the AI's fault, they never question the way they play or their basic deduction capacity.
I just uploaded a video that may prove what you said isn't true. In such video you can see Trico deciding to jump to the other side on his own, then it took me 3 attempts to make him stand up so I could reach some structure, it didn't work to give 1 single command, it was until I started spamming commands when he decided to do the right thing. According to Fumito Ueda, this behavior is intentional.
Sorry if I'm late to the discussion. I've seen that video, and what I can say is: 1) Trico jumping to a previous area IS intentional bahaviour. You would have to backtrack to that area for him (or her?) to do that anyway, you could stop him at any point by pressing R2 + X, and it litarelly took him 30 seconds to get back. It's a non-issue. 2) Trico not understanding what to do next was *partially* your fault. You see, the game is a bit touchy when it comes to commands, and it's something you have to learn on your own. One thing I've noticed in different playthroughs is that Trico responds better when he has to serve as a "ladder" for you if you point at a ledge rather that give a "Jump!" command. Also, when he looks at a puzzle object, giving you a hint that it is interactable, but not doing anything with it, he expects you do give a command. You sometimes have to give the same command 2 times, first time to make him notice something and second time to make him interact with it. When you don't do the second step, or give a contradicting command, he gets confused. I know this might seem like a broken game mechanic, but this is actually communicated fairly well through Trico's body language. Anyway, I just wanted to clear some things up. I'm not saying the game is perfect, but puzzles mostly work as intended. Mostly.
i agree with everything you sed...there are no words to describe hope much I love this game..it stole my heart and it was the very first PS4 game i had ever played and with in the first two hours of playing it...it became my most favorite game of all time ^^
This is awesome ! I love your content bro I hope you get more visibility in the future because you deserve so much more views and subs ! Best of luck to you !
Thank you so much! I think I've become sort of a niche gamer who desperatly looks for games like these. New experiences, risks and experimental game design are thinks that are dying out in AAA games. And it's kind of the same with TH-cam. That's why I am subscribing to you.
Intentionally frustrating the player to make a point is guaranteed to attract criticism. Patience is a lot to ask from a player after all. xD I like your point of view, this is a game to be expienced not just beaten buuut i get why not everybody enjoys it. It's a matter of taste in the end. Good luck with your channel :)
Nimraja I agree, like I said it's not for everyone but anyone that's played classic platformers and stealth games knows that patience is a virtue. Thanks for watching.
Despite that, I think it’s undeniable that Trico would be less believable and interesting if he responded perfectly to the player’s commands. If convenience compromises a game’s unique vision, then I’m against it.
Growlie26 lol she's just a nuisance I guess. TLG is quite a niche game so it wasn't exactly something she was very tolerant about. She was quite impatient which made the experience a little difficult.
I have no issue at all with Trico not always obeying commands. I do have issues with the controls, and the terrible camera. Just the fact that the right stick is plagued by an incredibly wide dead zone, and aggressive acceleration, blows my mind. It does not feel good to move the camera, to the point that I feel like they don't really want you moving the camera very much. I really don't know how the game spent a decade in development and nobody thought to adjust the awful feel of the camera.
I think tricos AI is an improvement on game design and social commentary, because it's foolish to think that a feral animal should just listen to a human who is clearly smaller and weaker in comparison. The Last guardian is very much a story of a growing relationship between human and animal, and is an excellent realistic comparison to how owning a domestic pet is and I believe that the more people realize it the better
*Patience is a virtue* This is a massive stereotype but of the people I've seen play this game, they are mostly from the UK or don't own pets so that's probably a huge factor, and if your going to play a game about what is essentially owning a big dog, at least have the common sense to presume it's gonna be, "like owning a dog"
My problem with the last guardian is that I can forge a relationship with Trico because I find myself constantly frustrated with Trico not listening to my commands . For example when you need him to play with the chain to open the gate. I got him to play with it but by the time I got the object to prop it open he stopped. It moments like these throughout the game makes me hated the ai of Trico even if it’s supposed to be like that.
That's exactly what frustrates me when I watch let's plays of this game, people who just button mash 32 contradictory commands at once, don't pay attention to what Trico is doing or where he's looking or don't take the time to pet it or praise it when he does something right, they also can't usually put two and two together (the catapult part is the best example) but obviously to those people it's always the AI's fault, they never question the way they play or their basic deduction capacity.
I just uploaded a video that may prove what you said isn't true. In such video you can see Trico deciding to jump to the other side on his own, then it took me 3 attempts to make him stand up so I could reach some structure, it didn't work to give 1 single command, it was until I started spamming commands when he decided to do the right thing. According to Fumito Ueda, this behavior is intentional.
Sorry if I'm late to the discussion. I've seen that video, and what I can say is:
1) Trico jumping to a previous area IS intentional bahaviour. You would have to backtrack to that area for him (or her?) to do that anyway, you could stop him at any point by pressing R2 + X, and it litarelly took him 30 seconds to get back. It's a non-issue.
2) Trico not understanding what to do next was *partially* your fault. You see, the game is a bit touchy when it comes to commands, and it's something you have to learn on your own.
One thing I've noticed in different playthroughs is that Trico responds better when he has to serve as a "ladder" for you if you point at a ledge rather that give a "Jump!" command.
Also, when he looks at a puzzle object, giving you a hint that it is interactable, but not doing anything with it, he expects you do give a command. You sometimes have to give the same command 2 times, first time to make him notice something and second time to make him interact with it. When you don't do the second step, or give a contradicting command, he gets confused. I know this might seem like a broken game mechanic, but this is actually communicated fairly well through Trico's body language.
Anyway, I just wanted to clear some things up. I'm not saying the game is perfect, but puzzles mostly work as intended. Mostly.
i agree with everything you sed...there are no words to describe hope much I love this game..it stole my heart and it was the very first PS4 game i had ever played and with in the first two hours of playing it...it became my most favorite game of all time ^^
swishytails what a great title to start PS4 with! I recommend The Last of Us remastered :) thanks for sharing!
Your welcome and I'll definitely play it ^^
This is awesome ! I love your content bro I hope you get more visibility in the future because you deserve so much more views and subs ! Best of luck to you !
Abdelhakim Neozander thank you so much! At least someone likes the content XP
I do too, bro
i do as well
Thank you so much!
I think I've become sort of a niche gamer who desperatly looks for games like these. New experiences, risks and experimental game design are thinks that are dying out in AAA games.
And it's kind of the same with TH-cam.
That's why I am subscribing to you.
Thanks for sharing and thanks for the sub!
I don't know i really loved the last guardian and Tricos AI but that is just my opinion
Agree! You gotta love that special bond between two of them. Whole story is simply beautiful, so as music!
Intentionally frustrating the player to make a point is guaranteed to attract criticism. Patience is a lot to ask from a player after all. xD
I like your point of view, this is a game to be expienced not just beaten buuut i get why not everybody enjoys it. It's a matter of taste in the end.
Good luck with your channel :)
Nimraja I agree, like I said it's not for everyone but anyone that's played classic platformers and stealth games knows that patience is a virtue. Thanks for watching.
Despite that, I think it’s undeniable that Trico would be less believable and interesting if he responded perfectly to the player’s commands. If convenience compromises a game’s unique vision, then I’m against it.
Very well written
exactly this
Trico is just like a real dog/cat thingy pet. As a lover of animals and a dog owner I know how these things work
I enjoyed watching my younger sister play, part of this.
Wish I could say the same! XP
Not-A-Witch You didn't have a sibling to watch this with? 😟
I just didn't enjoy watching my younger sister play this XP lol
Not-A-Witch Is there any reason?
Growlie26 lol she's just a nuisance I guess. TLG is quite a niche game so it wasn't exactly something she was very tolerant about. She was quite impatient which made the experience a little difficult.
I have no issue at all with Trico not always obeying commands. I do have issues with the controls, and the terrible camera. Just the fact that the right stick is plagued by an incredibly wide dead zone, and aggressive acceleration, blows my mind. It does not feel good to move the camera, to the point that I feel like they don't really want you moving the camera very much. I really don't know how the game spent a decade in development and nobody thought to adjust the awful feel of the camera.
I think tricos AI is an improvement on game design and social commentary, because it's foolish to think that a feral animal should just listen to a human who is clearly smaller and weaker in comparison. The Last guardian is very much a story of a growing relationship between human and animal, and is an excellent realistic comparison to how owning a domestic pet is and I believe that the more people realize it the better
That comment is somewhat redundant since you said it haha, but I felt the need to further enforce it :)
Not redundant at all, I'm happy for your input.
*Patience is a virtue*
This is a massive stereotype but of the people I've seen play this game, they are mostly from the UK or don't own pets so that's probably a huge factor, and if your going to play a game about what is essentially owning a big dog, at least have the common sense to presume it's gonna be, "like owning a dog"
My problem with the last guardian is that I can forge a relationship with Trico because I find myself constantly frustrated with Trico not listening to my commands . For example when you need him to play with the chain to open the gate. I got him to play with it but by the time I got the object to prop it open he stopped. It moments like these throughout the game makes me hated the ai of Trico even if it’s supposed to be like that.