Absolutely LOVE listening to your tips on all plants, bushes, etc. David, You're such a happy chipper person. you make my heart smile!! Thanks for your VERY informative videos!
Thank you, that is so,ooooo nice to hear. Gardening and growing nice plants does that to us. It gladdens our hearts, gets us out into the fresh air, relieves stress and gives us a bit of exercise too. So thank you for taking the time to let us know that you are enjoying our efforts. Presumably you have already subscribed to our channel. If you haven't, you might like to think about it, because once you are subscribed, each time we post a new video (which we are doing all the time), you will find that they will turn up automatically in your feed. And, as you find our videos helpful, it would be great if you could kindly share the links with your friends and click the "like" button too, because that will help other people find out about the information as well. And, now that we are in the midst of the BEST planting season (Fall) we try to encourage everyone to visit our partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/. They are located all over our Mid-Atlantic and Northeastern region, and that's where you will find all sorts of beautiful, tried and true and cutting edge, top performing selections, so be sure to stop in regularly throughout the seasons because there will be a steady stream of fresh shipments coming in weekly.
Appreciate ALL of the education, I love these and have never grown them. I will have to try them if I get to move from Texas. The heat just makes it impossible to do much if you are not CONSTANTLY watering.
Come on over.... there's plenty of room for another good gardener in our region! In the meantime, take a look around your neighborhood (and chat with your local garden centers) to see if you can spot any butterfly bushes... Once they are established and well rooted in, they are remarkably heat and drought tolerant and the chances are some of these beauties would be worth trying.
You are very welcome, it's a lovely selection and one that is well worth finding a coveted spot for. Have you subscribed to our channel? If you haven't, you might like to think about subscribing, because once you are subscribed, each time we post a new video (which we are doing all the time), it will turn up automatically in your feed. And, as you find our videos helpful, it would be great if you could kindly share the links with your friends and click the "like" button too, because that helps other people find the information as well. Finally, now that our partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/ are fully stocked with fresh new plants, if you live in our Mid-Atlantic and Northeastern region be sure to stop in and take a look…. Because that’s where you will discover all sorts of beautiful, tried and true and cutting edge, top performing selections.
I just purchased three of these at my local nursery today. Can’t wait to get them in the ground. David, I just subscribed. Your enthusiasm for these plants is infectious. Loved this video!!!
Thank you for those kind comments. Its a lovely selection, well worth having and you'll be especially delighted to see hordes of butterflies flock in once it starts to flower and now that you know how to trim it back to keep it reblooming... you'll get even more of those delightful winged visitors. Thanks for watching and letting us know. Have you subscribed to our channel? If you haven't, you might like to think about it, because once you are subscribed, each time we post a new video (which we are doing all the time), you will find that they will turn up automatically in your feed. And, as you find our videos helpful, it would be great if you could kindly share the links with your friends and click the "like" button too, because that will help other people find out about the information as well. And, now that we are in the midst of the main planting season (spring through late Fall) try to visit our partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/. They are located all over our Mid-Atlantic and Northeastern region, and that's where you will find all sorts of beautiful, tried and true and cutting edge, top performing selections, so be sure to stop in regularly throughout the seasons because there will be a steady stream of fresh shipments coming in weekly.
Looks like a lovely plant. I was hoping you would say it is sterile but sounds as though it should be less weedy than some of the older cultivars. I am in the Hudson Valley and we have had problems with buddleias reseeding themselves all over the place, including into some steep retaining walls where they are difficult to pull out. So, I have mostly eliminated the giant specimens that were in the garden when I bought the property two years ago. My two local nurseries stock your plants and I have found them to be excellent performers in the garden: keep up the good work!
Thank you, it is nice to hear you like it too. Testing and trialing is on going, and in time, we will probably hear definitively from the plant "boffins" the degree of sterility, but in monitoring it in our trials so far, we have not found any seeds which is partly why we are so fond of it. It is also great to hear, that your local garden centers are helping you find and enjoy our plants. Have you told them that you are appreciating that and finding them to be good performers? Sometimes, they need a little encouragement and reassurance.
Thank you, If you haven't already, can we suggest you think about clicking the "like" icon on any of our videos that you consider worthy, because that helps other people find the information as well.
@@OverdevestNurseries Definitely - will do! P.S. After watching your great videos, I ordered 4 Pugster blues and Pinker butterfly bushes. Can't wait to get them come Spring! Thanks again!
How is this different from the Pugster series? Here in zone 5 b I lose a few each year, and replace with another…same spot, but some come back. The nurseries nearby have had nothing but the last dregs of the plants they sold thru the Spring and Summer. No one has anything new, but are still charging almost full price. I will wait for next year😁
This one has lots of smaller flowers all over its compact and naturally very bushy habit. In the video, when I talk about our trialing.... there's a picture that shows a very bushy "full" the plant - this was one of our first trial plants that had never been trimmed! It demonstrates just how naturally bushy this one is. To ensure good survival, its important to make sure the planting site is well drained, the better the drainage, the better the survival.
Thank you, that's wonderful to hear, thanks for watching. Here's a link that will help you find the locations of all the partnering garden centers that stock our plants: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/ And, if you haven't already, can we suggest that you think about subscribing to this channel because we are posting new videos all the time and when you are subscribed you will be circulated automatically each time we post a new one. Also, it would be really great if you can kindly click the "like" button too on any of our videos that you think worthy, because that helps other people find the information too.
Thank you. That's partly why we do our trial and testing work - sorting out the better performers. And why in my own garden, I try to keep on top of dead heading. that way, I find I eliminate most of the little volunteer seedlings.
Thank you David for a very informative video. I have a butterfly bush that grew to about 7 ft tall, so I pruned it back and it still produced beautiful blue/lavender flowers, attracting lots of butterlies and honey bees. I just love it.
That's it, they respond very well to pruning. And as you've probably noted, they can be trimmed several times during the year, to keep them looking fresh and extra bushy with even more flowers.... and of course hordes of butterflies (and humming birds) too.
Wonderful. They are terrific garden shrubs and nowadays there's several really good compact growing ones like this one, that come in lots of different colors. So there's plenty of opportunity to get even more enjoyment from them.
David, another great educational video👍. Hydrangea and buddleais are my ‘go to’ plants to compliment my various yellow spireas. My first visual of this buddleia leads me to believe that the flowers of the Chrysalis are larger in size than those of the Pugster? Is that a correct assumption? Otherwise they appear to be similar in style and structure, as well as hardiness, to that of the Pugster series. I’m on the north shore of Lake Ontario 🇨🇦in zone 5A/B (depending on who you ask 🤣) and I find my buddleais are VERY late in breaking in spring - late being mid June. Is that norm for the species? Is there something I can do to entice them to break earlier - (I typically don’t prune them back until late March/early April) - like adding additional mulch, wrap with a wind shelter, leaf packing, etc.? Thanks in advance for any guidance you can extend? Larry.
Thanks. The size of the flowers is not as big as the pugsters, but they are produced in tremendous abundance and positioned all over the naturally compact and rounded shape of the plants, so the display is very noticeable and if you trim them back regularly (like in the video) they will reward you with a long and very lovely display. It sounds like you are taking the best preventive actions to help them through the winter and there isn't much else you can do to encourage earlier breaking except perhaps increasing the amount of insulation (mulch). The other thing that is very important is really good drainage, they do not like "wet feet" in winter and early soring.
Thank you. I planted one in a container last year that was labeled this variety but the blooms seem even smaller. It's stayed alive through the winter here in Georgia, but is still so small I don't know whether I am supposed to cut it down to 3" above the soil? It's only about 8" tall. And should I fertilize it? Last year we all lost all our butterfly bushes after a long week of 15 degrees. This year we only had two days of 15 degrees, and all but my Pugster is getting started with new growth. Is the Pugster variety later to break dormancy? Thanks.
Thanks for watching. As you've probably noted, our partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/ stock nice big, well shaped plants that are healthy and vigorous, so they get off to a great start and create an almost instant effect. It seems your plant was small when it was purchased, and it is still developing. Planting it in a sunny, well drained site in decent soil should (in time) allow it to grow into its normal size. Pruning it this spring, fertilizing it (with a well-balanced slow release fertilizer) and mulching it will help it along. FYI, here's a link to another of our videos (also on this channel) that will take you through the process: th-cam.com/video/9Qu_403FjuQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=oVZ78iybQKJOfc4H In our experience several members of the Pugster series are almost semi-evergreen retaining (at least) some small leaves during most of the winter, and they are not normally any later at budding up, so your description does not sound promising! Besides the cold winter snaps that you describe, winter wetness at the roots of butterfly bushes can wreak havoc, so if your plant does not show any sign of life this spring, we suggest you check the drainage of the site. Remember that the surface and upper levels of the soil may look okay, but underneath (especially in clay soils) it could be saturated! And if so, that will be fatal. Digging a few test holes in the vicinity will reveal what's going on underneath. Finally, here's a link to another of David's videos that will explain (at the 13 minute mark): th-cam.com/video/V5Ez7_9ztT4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=u5R_oDosyE4nzS4X how he protects the buds on Hydrangeas by keeping some cardboard or frost blanket handy. Insulation material that can easily be applied when the weather forecast alerts us. Hopefully, all these points will prove helpful. Have you subscribed to our channel? If you haven't, you might like to think about it, because once you are subscribed, each time we post a new video (which we are doing all the time), they will turn up automatically in your feed. And, as you find our videos helpful, it would be great if you could kindly share the links with your friends and click the "like" button too, because that helps other people find out about the information as well.
@@OverdevestNurseries Thank you for your response. I still had the Pugster in it's original Proven Winners pot and hadn't planted it from purchasing it last summer. I thought since I am in zone 7b that since it's two zones below that that it would be fine remaining in the original container until this spring. It does have gray small leaves on it that are not dried up (and the other butterfly bushes that I have are already shooting out green leaves and they are in container planters too), so I guess that I will wait to see as the temperatures warm up if it's going to come up with new green shoots. The little Chrysalis bush did remain green throughout the winter, so I will take your advice and fertilize it. I bought it when it was only in a 4 inch pot.
Thank you, that's nice to hear. Keep an eye out around your neighborhood and ask at your local garden centers because there will be (at least) some of the plants we grow here in this region, that you can grow in your area.
We are sorry to tell you that we have no idea! We have no connections with this company, and no way of knowing what size the plants might be. However, we do know (and as you can see in this, and other videos featured here on this channel) that our plants which are available through our extensive network of partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/. Will be nice, big, well-formed healthy plants, so if you live in our region, you might like to make a visit, and select the ones the specimens that appeal to you most. Also, have you subscribed to our channel? If you haven't, you might like to think about it, because once you are subscribed, each time we post a new video (which we are doing all the time), you will find that they will turn up automatically in your feed. And, as you find our videos helpful, it would be great if you could kindly share the links with your friends and click the "like" button too, because that will help other people find out about the information as well. And, now that we have entered the main planting season (spring through late Fall) try to visit our partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/. They are located all over our Mid-Atlantic and Northeastern region, and that's where you will find all sorts of beautiful, tried and true and cutting edge, top performing selections, so be sure to stop in regularly throughout the seasons because there will be a steady stream of fresh shipments coming in weekly.
Mounding up the mulch in Autumn, will help get the crown of your plants off to a quicker start in spring, which will help get flowers a little earlier. They are so valuable because they are one of the few things that flower reliably in the heat and don't need a whole lot of maintenance.
Absolutely LOVE listening to your tips on all plants, bushes, etc. David, You're such a happy chipper person. you make my heart smile!! Thanks for your VERY informative videos!
Thank you, that is so,ooooo nice to hear. Gardening and growing nice plants does that to us. It gladdens our hearts, gets us out into the fresh air, relieves stress and gives us a bit of exercise too.
So thank you for taking the time to let us know that you are enjoying our efforts.
Presumably you have already subscribed to our channel. If you haven't, you might like to think about it, because once you are subscribed, each time we post a new video (which we are doing all the time), you will find that they will turn up automatically in your feed.
And, as you find our videos helpful, it would be great if you could kindly share the links with your friends and click the "like" button too, because that will help other people find out about the information as well.
And, now that we are in the midst of the BEST planting season (Fall) we try to encourage everyone to visit our partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/.
They are located all over our Mid-Atlantic and Northeastern region, and that's where you will find all sorts of beautiful, tried and true and cutting edge, top performing selections, so be sure to stop in regularly throughout the seasons because there will be a steady stream of fresh shipments coming in weekly.
Appreciate ALL of the education, I love these and have never grown them. I will have to try them if I get to move from Texas. The heat just makes it impossible to do much if you are not CONSTANTLY watering.
Come on over.... there's plenty of room for another good gardener in our region!
In the meantime, take a look around your neighborhood (and chat with your local garden centers) to see if you can spot any butterfly bushes... Once they are established and well rooted in, they are remarkably heat and drought tolerant and the chances are some of these beauties would be worth trying.
So beautiful. Thank you 🌺
You are very welcome, it's a lovely selection and one that is well worth finding a coveted spot for.
Have you subscribed to our channel?
If you haven't, you might like to think about subscribing, because once you are subscribed, each time we post a new video (which we are doing all the time), it will turn up automatically in your feed.
And, as you find our videos helpful, it would be great if you could kindly share the links with your friends and click the "like" button too, because that helps other people find the information as well.
Finally, now that our partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/ are fully stocked with fresh new plants, if you live in our Mid-Atlantic and Northeastern region be sure to stop in and take a look…. Because that’s where you will discover all sorts of beautiful, tried and true and cutting edge, top performing selections.
I just purchased three of these at my local nursery today. Can’t wait to get them in the ground.
David, I just subscribed. Your enthusiasm for these plants is infectious. Loved this video!!!
Thank you for those kind comments. Its a lovely selection, well worth having and you'll be especially delighted to see hordes of butterflies flock in once it starts to flower and now that you know how to trim it back to keep it reblooming... you'll get even more of those delightful winged visitors.
Thanks for watching and letting us know.
Have you subscribed to our channel?
If you haven't, you might like to think about it, because once you are subscribed, each time we post a new video (which we are doing all the time), you will find that they will turn up automatically in your feed.
And, as you find our videos helpful, it would be great if you could kindly share the links with your friends and click the "like" button too, because that will help other people find out about the information as well.
And, now that we are in the midst of the main planting season (spring through late Fall) try to visit our partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/.
They are located all over our Mid-Atlantic and Northeastern region, and that's where you will find all sorts of beautiful, tried and true and cutting edge, top performing selections, so be sure to stop in regularly throughout the seasons because there will be a steady stream of fresh shipments coming in weekly.
Looks like a lovely plant. I was hoping you would say it is sterile but sounds as though it should be less weedy than some of the older cultivars. I am in the Hudson Valley and we have had problems with buddleias reseeding themselves all over the place, including into some steep retaining walls where they are difficult to pull out. So, I have mostly eliminated the giant specimens that were in the garden when I bought the property two years ago. My two local nurseries stock your plants and I have found them to be excellent performers in the garden: keep up the good work!
Thank you, it is nice to hear you like it too. Testing and trialing is on going, and in time, we will probably hear definitively from the plant "boffins" the degree of sterility, but in monitoring it in our trials so far, we have not found any seeds which is partly why we are so fond of it.
It is also great to hear, that your local garden centers are helping you find and enjoy our plants. Have you told them that you are appreciating that and finding them to be good performers? Sometimes, they need a little encouragement and reassurance.
@@OverdevestNurserieshis was my question as well, so thank you for responding. Greetings from Lousiana.
Brilliant, informative video. Thanks
Thank you. Glad it was helpful!
So beautiful!! Thank you for another informative and entertaining video!!
Thank you, If you haven't already, can we suggest you think about clicking the "like" icon on any of our videos that you consider worthy, because that helps other people find the information as well.
@@OverdevestNurseries Definitely - will do! P.S. After watching your great videos, I ordered 4 Pugster blues and Pinker butterfly bushes. Can't wait to get them come Spring! Thanks again!
How is this different from the Pugster series? Here in zone 5 b I lose a few each year, and replace with another…same spot, but some come back. The nurseries nearby have had nothing but the last dregs of the plants they sold thru the Spring and Summer. No one has anything new, but are still charging almost full price. I will wait for next year😁
This one has lots of smaller flowers all over its compact and naturally very bushy habit. In the video, when I talk about our trialing.... there's a picture that shows a very bushy "full" the plant - this was one of our first trial plants that had never been trimmed! It demonstrates just how naturally bushy this one is. To ensure good survival, its important to make sure the planting site is well drained, the better the drainage, the better the survival.
Enjoy these videos. 😊
Thank you, that's wonderful to hear, thanks for watching.
Here's a link that will help you find the locations of all the partnering garden centers that stock our plants: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/
And, if you haven't already, can we suggest that you think about subscribing to this channel because we are posting new videos all the time and when you are subscribed you will be circulated automatically each time we post a new one. Also, it would be really great if you can kindly click the "like" button too on any of our videos that you think worthy, because that helps other people find the information too.
Really beautiful! I've been losing a lot of the newer varieties and can't seem to get rid of the older varieties that pop up all over the place! 🤨
Thank you. That's partly why we do our trial and testing work - sorting out the better performers. And why in my own garden, I try to keep on top of dead heading. that way, I find I eliminate most of the little volunteer seedlings.
Absolutely Beautiful 🌹
Thank you, it is a lovely little beauty that is easy to grow and enjoy.
Thank you David for a very informative video. I have a butterfly bush that grew to about 7 ft tall, so I pruned it back and it still produced beautiful blue/lavender flowers, attracting lots of butterlies and honey bees. I just love it.
That's it, they respond very well to pruning. And as you've probably noted, they can be trimmed several times during the year, to keep them looking fresh and extra bushy with even more flowers.... and of course hordes of butterflies (and humming birds) too.
I have the butterfly bush in my backyard :) i love it!
Wonderful. They are terrific garden shrubs and nowadays there's several really good compact growing ones like this one, that come in lots of different colors. So there's plenty of opportunity to get even more enjoyment from them.
David, what was that other lovely butterfly bush behind you? It looked slightly bigger and was more reddish.
That is Buddleia Prince Charming, here's a link to another of our videos that will fill you in: th-cam.com/video/5-wmyYA56qI/w-d-xo.html
Thanks it beautiful 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽🤓
You’re welcome 😊 Thanks for joining us
David, another great educational video👍. Hydrangea and buddleais are my ‘go to’ plants to compliment my various yellow spireas. My first visual of this buddleia leads me to believe that the flowers of the Chrysalis are larger in size than those of the Pugster? Is that a correct assumption? Otherwise they appear to be similar in style and structure, as well as hardiness, to that of the Pugster series. I’m on the north shore of Lake Ontario 🇨🇦in zone 5A/B (depending on who you ask 🤣) and I find my buddleais are VERY late in breaking in spring - late being mid June. Is that norm for the species? Is there something I can do to entice them to break earlier - (I typically don’t prune them back until late March/early April) - like adding additional mulch, wrap with a wind shelter, leaf packing, etc.? Thanks in advance for any guidance you can extend? Larry.
Thanks. The size of the flowers is not as big as the pugsters, but they are produced in tremendous abundance and positioned all over the naturally compact and rounded shape of the plants, so the display is very noticeable and if you trim them back regularly (like in the video) they will reward you with a long and very lovely display. It sounds like you are taking the best preventive actions to help them through the winter and there isn't much else you can do to encourage earlier breaking except perhaps increasing the amount of insulation (mulch). The other thing that is very important is really good drainage, they do not like "wet feet" in winter and early soring.
@@OverdevestNurseries Thank you, David for your prompt response.
Thank you. I planted one in a container last year that was labeled this variety but the blooms seem even smaller. It's stayed alive through the winter here in Georgia, but is still so small I don't know whether I am supposed to cut it down to 3" above the soil? It's only about 8" tall. And should I fertilize it? Last year we all lost all our butterfly bushes after a long week of 15 degrees. This year we only had two days of 15 degrees, and all but my Pugster is getting started with new growth. Is the Pugster variety later to break dormancy? Thanks.
Thanks for watching. As you've probably noted, our partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/ stock nice big, well shaped plants that are healthy and vigorous, so they get off to a great start and create an almost instant effect. It seems your plant was small when it was purchased, and it is still developing. Planting it in a sunny, well drained site in decent soil should (in time) allow it to grow into its normal size. Pruning it this spring, fertilizing it (with a well-balanced slow release fertilizer) and mulching it will help it along. FYI, here's a link to another of our videos (also on this channel) that will take you through the process: th-cam.com/video/9Qu_403FjuQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=oVZ78iybQKJOfc4H
In our experience several members of the Pugster series are almost semi-evergreen retaining (at least) some small leaves during most of the winter, and they are not normally any later at budding up, so your description does not sound promising!
Besides the cold winter snaps that you describe, winter wetness at the roots of butterfly bushes can wreak havoc, so if your plant does not show any sign of life this spring, we suggest you check the drainage of the site. Remember that the surface and upper levels of the soil may look okay, but underneath (especially in clay soils) it could be saturated! And if so, that will be fatal. Digging a few test holes in the vicinity will reveal what's going on underneath.
Finally, here's a link to another of David's videos that will explain (at the 13 minute mark): th-cam.com/video/V5Ez7_9ztT4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=u5R_oDosyE4nzS4X how he protects the buds on Hydrangeas by keeping some cardboard or frost blanket handy. Insulation material that can easily be applied when the weather forecast alerts us.
Hopefully, all these points will prove helpful.
Have you subscribed to our channel?
If you haven't, you might like to think about it, because once you are subscribed, each time we post a new video (which we are doing all the time), they will turn up automatically in your feed.
And, as you find our videos helpful, it would be great if you could kindly share the links with your friends and click the "like" button too, because that helps other people find out about the information as well.
@@OverdevestNurseries Thank you for your response. I still had the Pugster in it's original Proven Winners pot and hadn't planted it from purchasing it last summer. I thought since I am in zone 7b that since it's two zones below that that it would be fine remaining in the original container until this spring. It does have gray small leaves on it that are not dried up (and the other butterfly bushes that I have are already shooting out green leaves and they are in container planters too), so I guess that I will wait to see as the temperatures warm up if it's going to come up with new green shoots. The little Chrysalis bush did remain green throughout the winter, so I will take your advice and fertilize it. I bought it when it was only in a 4 inch pot.
please make video top fragrance flower plants
Thank you. That's a good idea, stay tuned because we will see what we can do during next year's growing season.
I love watching you and enjoy your knowledge but I live in LA and we need different plants…
Thank you, that's nice to hear. Keep an eye out around your neighborhood and ask at your local garden centers because there will be (at least) some of the plants we grow here in this region, that you can grow in your area.
What size bush do you get from bluestone?
We are sorry to tell you that we have no idea! We have no connections with this company, and no way of knowing what size the plants might be.
However, we do know (and as you can see in this, and other videos featured here on this channel) that our plants which are available through our extensive network of partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/.
Will be nice, big, well-formed healthy plants, so if you live in our region, you might like to make a visit, and select the ones the specimens that appeal to you most.
Also, have you subscribed to our channel?
If you haven't, you might like to think about it, because once you are subscribed, each time we post a new video (which we are doing all the time), you will find that they will turn up automatically in your feed.
And, as you find our videos helpful, it would be great if you could kindly share the links with your friends and click the "like" button too, because that will help other people find out about the information as well.
And, now that we have entered the main planting season (spring through late Fall) try to visit our partnering garden centers: grownbyoverdevest.com/retail-locator/.
They are located all over our Mid-Atlantic and Northeastern region, and that's where you will find all sorts of beautiful, tried and true and cutting edge, top performing selections, so be sure to stop in regularly throughout the seasons because there will be a steady stream of fresh shipments coming in weekly.
thanks for information. i have butterfly bush white. honeysuckle.and angel trumpet these top 3 plants is amazing fragrance.love from Pakistan ❤️
You are welcome, thanks for watching
Zone 5 b the y all die back and must be cut to the base each Spring. Therefore this is a mid Summer on bloomer.
Mounding up the mulch in Autumn, will help get the crown of your plants off to a quicker start in spring, which will help get flowers a little earlier. They are so valuable because they are one of the few things that flower reliably in the heat and don't need a whole lot of maintenance.