10mm vs. .44mag (Are You Kidding Me With This?)
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In a self defense situation I'd say 10mm due to ammo capacity. But if I had 6 rounds of 10mm or 6 rounds of 44mag, hands down the 44.
You might want to watch those heavy weapons as an everyday carry. If you hit a good guy on the other side your in a world of shit.
@@GeoHvl alaska carry though, 10mm everyday, fuck 800lb bears
CHASE 26Gen4 1 .44 mag, delivers 3x the energy and takes 5x the friction to stop it at the same velocity than the 10mm, now increase to the exponent of 3 and you’re comparing an air soft dart gun to black powder cannon fired harpoon!
@@TomTreeMan Not really that much of a difference yes 44 mag beats 10mm but not really by alot and it has a shit ton more recoil and is less accurate less ammo capacity your still losing more then what you gain I would say 10mm beats 357 10mm is similar to 41 magnum but I would still say 41 is slightly more then 10mm but again not enough more power to make me want it a 357 will pierce a bear skull so will a 10mm so why in the hell would I want a 44 or 41
When was this ever about self-defence? it's just a ballistics argument. No one mentioned self-defence until you brought it up.
Way to answer a question you raised yourself. (that no one is talking about)
I'm amazed this had to be said? Ballistics are easy to look up. The .44 is also more flexible ie. 185gr up to 320gr. factory loads.
been around 500 years
@@hondaservicecenter I thought it was 5000 years though. Lol I know you meant to write 50 years.
@@linguisticman was in use by 1871 & was 500 years ago
@@hondaservicecenter What exactly are we talking about that was 500 years ago?
I've got some .44mag JHP that are like 175grain.
These are the same people who 9mm is just as powerful as 357 mag
Alex R. Cordero Jr. I laugh when I hear that 9mm not even close to a 357 magnum
44 mag don’t even have to shoot it the gun itself is like a hammer 🔨🤔
It depends on the barrel length. Plenty of 9mm cartridges shoot around the same velocity and muzzle energy as a .357 if the .357 bullet is being shot out of a 3 inch barrel or less. Wheel gunners tend to be ignorant of ballistics data. You need a longer barrel to get any kind of significant power advantage over a 9mm, and that of course comes at the price of a lot more recoil.
James Chester what’s so funny about that fact?
James Chester lol for real even my model 60 j frame is a chunk since it’s all steel 💪🏼
Kinda off topic but...what do you think of the new 10mm hipoint carbine from shot show 2018?
their carbines are actually okay they sting your cheek a bit if you shoot check to stock.. other than that. They are heavy and accurate..and cycle well..
@@PunkN_JTM I've got one of their 4595 .45 ACP carbines and I love it. It is very accurate and fun as hell to shoot. Also they very well built compared to their handguns.
Fairly entertaining and correct about the 10MM and the 357 magnum . the 44 Mag is just a different kind of cat spitting out 240 grain bullets at fantastic speed .
I don't get it.whats the huff. 44 is stronger in all ways. But who cares. Its a fact. Just move on and if you like 10mm then carry it. To each there own.
+Justin Jones
The huff is that some people can't grasp what you have a handle on.
6 shots of 44 is plemty for damn near anything. unless you miss every shot. bullet for bullet people cant deny it. they just love their fav round and argue unrealistically to keep it on top. its needless
+Justin Jones there is truth in what you say, however i personally was not trying to advocate a caliber vs caliber debate im merley stating that one caliber i/e the 44. or any other caliber in the big big versions of such for that matterare not the Be All End All. I argue that a 10. mm can and is just as Effective as the big ol 44. or 357. or 454. or lets not Bullshit around, the 50. BMG is the trump of trumps i mean realistically if you want a bear to go down without a fight and or reload and or its HEAD altogether then by all means dont Dick around with the Lil Bitch 44. cause by comparison if we're having a pissing match of calibers in a realistically and fashionable manner i think the 50. BMG would WIN in OD Green of course! I mean anything else i/e a tank well, that be much to much.
its seems to me ur trying to round the buch debate by bringing in other topics out of the calibers at hand here. by stating ur opinion that a 10mm is the same as those other full power rounds are thats implying u are contesting the facts at hand, therefore a debate would ensue. round per round a ten doesnt come close to a 44. itd be like saying a 380 is stronger than a 9. the numbers are factual our opinions are not.but thats not to say say it isnt as effective at many things just like other rounds. its still a powerful round no doubt. i dont discount it.
+Justin Jones um ok my original "debate" in the matter was and is, that a 10 mm. is just as powerfull to take down a bear and then some. Yankee Marshall makes it sound like the 44. Has no match and cant be out powerd or do the job which that is Not True and it is not a fair statement. And that my friend is a Fact. You say that Facts are Key? Or so im lead to believe thats what your saying. And plain an Simple a 10 mm. Is More then capable and is not only powerful enough of a round but in more ways then one it, in A Lot Of Peoples Opinion is a Better Choice Overall. That is not only my Opinion but A Fact.
On this one you were absolutely one hundred percent correct as far as a 10 mm goes it closely mimics and understand and focus on the word I say mimic the 357 Magnum but it has been proven that the 357 Magnum has more devastating wound Channel effect and penetration and yes the 10 millimeter is a great round and no it's not a dying round now it's actually coming back I love it for semi-auto because it mimics the 357 keyword mimics does Not Duplicate
44 maggies, more devastating. That's why people use it when they go out in the woods In case there's bears around
This is one on my favorite YankeeMarshal video.
Good job calling it the way it is. I like how you express the 10mm as a compromise. It is a good one, in the realm of semi-auto's, but it just doesn't match the .44 in terms of potential per round. I like .357 Sig too. As someone else said, 10mm is fine for two-footed critters, but for dangerous game, .44 Mag or better would be on me. 10mm would have the upper hand in controllability and round count, which could be the difference, but how many rounds are you getting off on a charging animal?
You're absolutely correct. The 10 is no slouch, but a 44 mag can take it's lunch money.
Ill put my 10mm up with any 44mag out there you guys that bash 10mm are fucking idiots .its not about the size every one knows its placment shots that count .so if your shooting 44mag thier is no way you can get the bullets down range were ya want them fast .10mm kicks less that is the reason people prefer 10mm over the 44mag .the bullets out of a 10mm can do just as much dmage as a 44mag .trust me ive done test i own both i rather shoot the 10mm then the 44mag any day on protection in personal or mountain .remember its not the caliber its placment shots 👉👍😎💪
Then an FN 5.7 is the ultimate, you can get twice as many round in the mag as you can your 10mm and the vastly reduced recoil makes follow-ups a breeze (I haven't found many handguns in .17 magnum, Glock needs to get on that and discontinue everything else.)
@@msihcs8171 the new 10mm with a 6" barrol holds 17 rounds and it's in the 1911 bouble stack yes the 5.7 may hold a little more but it's shooting smaller slug then the 10mm .not only that with my 10mm I don't even notice the kick and can control it as good as a 9mm or 5.7
@@brandonpeterson216 There are aftermarket 30 rounders for the FN 5.7
@@msihcs8171 ya you can but I look at it this way pistals are made for self defense unless your useing the big boys then it's hunting .so if you need that many rounds for one clip then ya need to give it up it's all about placement shots not how many your clip holds
We'll the real issue is, most people cant shoot for shit, so they gravitate towards more chances. That's why semi autos are being brought up in arguments like this. They like to think a bunch of rounds will scare away their aggressor, or maybe they'll have a better chance of hitting. But when your enemy weighs half a ton and has cubs, she doesn't give a shit how many rounds you might have and stopping power becomes an issue.
I like auto loaders. Not because I can't shoot but because I like having an instant follow up shot on critters. However I can't use them for anything bigger than a coyote. So I have all the old-school stuff too. Break actions, revolvers, bolt guns (my person favorite), levers and pumps. They all have their place. But to say 10mm is anything approaching 44 freaking mag? Are you kidding me?
"10mm is a dying round"
What a difference 7 years makes.
I think he meant 30 30.
Bs it's a great round better then a 44 mag 357 sig 45 acp look at it go Thur a llla vest with Ventura extreme defense ammco not a 44mag it will not it sticks in so do the math 10mm is a beast terminator. Ha makes 44 mag weak it's going up in sells but thousands why it's best auto round made
@@rickyjohnson9594 it’s nowhere near a .44 mag. It’s slightly more powerful than a .357.
I do agree though, 10mm is awesome and I hope it becomes as popular as .45 someday.
@@Helljumper91 from my understanding the hot 10mm rounds hit in the lower range of the .41 magnum, but nowhere near .44 magnum range
@@bdr32965 10mm from a rifle barrel done right can get pretty beastly. He might be accidentally looking at some longer barrel hot loads.
Found some of that info myself and kinda making me want a 10mm lever gun.
I'm a 10mm fan, own a Glock 20, and an extended 6" KKM Precision barrel. But that being said, the 44 magnum is far ahead of the 10mm. There's no comparison period. One thing I've watched over the years, your major manufacturers have watered down the magnum cartridges velocity, even the 357sig too. The boutique ammo makers have bumped the notch back up to what Elmer Keith developed. Some claim the old loads were tested on old data that when re-tested on modern equipment proved over Saami spec, well those old guns with old technology handled those loads for years, and still do, I know several old reloaders still using data from the 60's and 70's, have all their fingers and limbs etc... As for the 10mm vs 357 Magnum, per a previous post regarding underwood ammo, the numbers are almost Identical between the 10 and 357 in all weight ranges. The only advantage comes from the heavier 10mm loadings in 200gr+ loadings. But mainly because it's rare to find these loads loaded commercially in 357 magnum. Yet a reloader can easily acquire and load their own.
i cant say for back when this comment is written but i can say if true then this info is outdated because todays 10mm pistols have been just as effective as 44mag and are becoming more and more popular due to their pros over revolvers.
10mm often in measurements of velocity and energy will have you scratching your head once you put it to the test of piercing and transerring energy through different mediums.
in many test higher velocity 10mm pistols like the g40 with extended barrel paired with the right ammo preforms similar and sometimes better than many 44mag competitors and while coming with over double the rounds to shoot and having less recoil so follow up shots are even more likely to hit what they need to
i wont go as far to say 10mm is better than 44 because i still have more test i wanna do myself but in todays age id say the 10mm at the least is on par with the 44mag with its list of pros
we need some "belt fed" revolvers...capacity solutions...
BlackLotusW3 don't forget night vision, silent, heat seeking, with a USB port
@@stevecook413 and Bluetooth
10mm is by no means a dying round, it has been making a hell of a big comeback over the past few years. Also 10mm is no slouch either, it's quite a beast of a round as well. I own a Taurus .357 revolver and a Taurus .44 mag revolver, and also own a 10mm Glock 20. I enjoy shooting them all, but my personal favorite is the Glock 20, but I think it's due to that hard upward snap 10mm is famous for.
Against a bear. I'd rather have a 44
@@bombomos an even better bet would be a S&W 500 just to be safe.
Take anything he says with a grain of salt. He's kind of a joke in the firearms community lol
A 500 would be a badass gun to have but most people would screw themselves by carrying this. I think it takes a certain type of person to carry a gun that big and be able to shoot it accurately and with quick follow up shots. I'm sure you can handle it no problem but most people that think bigger is better would probably be in big trouble when they realize they can't hit shit with it and the recoil throws them way off target. The weight of the gun is what would turn me off of this caliber of gun. If I'm hiking miles and miles, I'm not carrying a giant revolver. They sure are fun to shoot though!!!
Welcome to 2022
How's that "dying" round doing now?
I EDC 10mm
@@matthewkidwell4334 Nice! I just got a g20 g3 for woods carry. Such a good round
I carry a gen 4 almost every day
What's funny is that .44 magnum is what should be the dying round, but you still see mouth breathing wheel-gunners carrying it.
Why would anyone use a .44 magnum cartridge out of a handgun when 10mm offers power with comparatively less recoil?
.44 magnum out of a typical revolver isn't even that powerful to begin with compared to 10mm. Yank in this video just cherry picks this "1500lbs" of energy, which is the highest number he could find based on shooting the hottest .44 cartridge out of a rifle.
But why would anyone shoot a .44 magnum out of a rifle for hunting, when it's weaker/ has way less velocity than other rifle rounds? It's just stupid.
@@therion5458
You got that part about hunting with the them, right? You can take down big game and any wild animal with it.
More recoil? Yes. More power, more velocity, rifle-like wound ballistics...Yes.
How strong the recoil really is highly depends on the gun. It's also helpful to own the same caliber as your rifle if you encounter a dangerous animal while you're hunting.
I asked a gun store guy 357 or 44 mag for bear. His answer was 10 mm. He said, "that's what all the guys are carrying, because it's a faster bullet with more penetration than a 44 mag." I laughed and walked out.
Dude if ur gonna carry for bear defense..carry a 22 or even a 25.....shoot ur buddy in the knee cap and run really fast.
44 can peneatrate little bit better but the 10mm beats it in control and more rounds 😏
"Thats like saying Rosie O'Donnell is the Kelly LeBrock of daytime lesbian day time talk show hosts". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I almost fell outta my chair.
I own 10mm and 40 cal handguns and even I must admit that neither come even close to a 44 mag. Cmon people the fact this guy even had to make a video clarifying this for the hardheads out there is INSANE, especially considering he's talking about hunting applications. I would personally choose my Glock 20 (with all the bells & whistles) over a 44 May revolver for self defense (I have my reasons) but there's just NO WAY around the math & physics around this. Plz drop it and let's move on to more important topics for debate. Thank you
Correction, 10mm is a growing round as of 2018 lol
Even the prices of the 10mm ammo are dropping due to the increased popularity of the round, I get a laugh out of all the people complaining the price of the ammo is too high or it's hard to find. I've been getting S&B 180 grain FMJ ball ammo for target practice for around .30 cents per round, I'd say that is affordable.
bdr32965 same here man, my Glock 20 chews the s&b ammo up an spits it out
Yep guy didn’t do a ton of research on it
multi dryder lol 10mm is weak compared to any revolver magnums
@@arrowmaniacskeepthetraditi2736 the point of the video is not the cost of 10mm, 10mm is a capable round and I've hunted deer and hogs with it but it's not in the same class with the .41 magnum on up. It compares really well to the .357 but that's about it.
I love them both. Compromise is a good word. To each their own
That's why I like the 460 Rowland. It's a round that can deliver 44mag performance from a semi-auto. Not that I'd need that very often. But nice to have when it is.
From a young age he talked bullet science with me. I remember the shooters bible. He would talk velocities knock down pier and ALL that. We had some real awesome rifles. My father was an engineer. How I miss him now
44 mag may be able to beat the 10mm but what I've notice is my 10mm I can hold down .it's all about placement shots .44mag is hard to hold down .if I had to choose between 44 or the 10 for protection while hunting or for ccw it would always be the 10mm to me .but I've seen first hand what it does to grizzly bears .so that's why I switched
Brandon Peterson lol think so?! How many times have you tested that theory on large dangerous game at close proximity? Lmao! I have, and guess what, I wouldn’t advise it with any gun! I learned how to defend and catch them without weapons first, Yeah you have a greater likelihood of shooting yourself than hitting the critters, finding the gun and it clearing the holster in time will be impressive, imagine the perfect world where we can take aim! LMAO @ shot placement! Works at the range, and occasionally in combat, but critters are full of surprises!
That is exactly why I would put 460 Rowland ahead of 44mag. Power level is there but with controllability. . if a grizzly is running at me If I miss myself I get a quick follow up shot. Because I think all 3 are sadly underpowered with all three. You may get lucky but at best you may get lucky. Atleast 10mm will give him a multi round headache
@@TomTreeMan point. @ shoot there's More to shooting then. Aiming at paper as my dad said to me point and shoot my boy
You can get 220gr. hard cast going 1200fps for 10mm. You can get hard cast 240gr. for reloads as well. Loaded hot with 15 in the mag. Its a good compromise. More ammo wins in general.
FINALLY! You said something I agree with!
I know this is the first video ever that he somewhat knew what he was talking about
"10mm is a dying round"
LOlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
10mm died at birth.
It's a boutique cartridge and always will be...along with 440 Cor-Bon, 45 Super, 40 Super, 460 Rowland.
@@TOBORE8THMAN Welcome to 2019, where I can walk into any Cabelas and buy 10mm Auto from manufacturers like Sig, S&B, Hornady, as well as the hot stuff from Buffalo Bore and Underwood.
@@TOBORE8THMAN 45 super is quite common now in 2020.
Yep not only is 10mm readily available but most manufacturers are loading to 10mm specs instead of 40s&w now
Commenting here in 2020: this video did not age well. 10mm is getting REALLY popular, and people generally agree that shot placement and capacity are pretty darn important for fending off large animals like bears. 10mm traveling at 1700 fps is sufficient to crack a bear's skull, so the capacity and comfort of a semi auto beats the high ft lbs of a 44 mag, since you're not going to bleed out an animal that big and incapacitate it with anything but a head shot.
I carry a 44mag & a 10 mm. My back up is a 454 super redhawk, do think that's enough ?
I agree that the 44 mag is more powerful than the 10mm. But for all intents and purposes and a quicker recovery from the recoil for extra shots at target the 10 mm would be better choice for concealed carry
I love 44 mag, it's probably my favorite handgun cartridge. As for 10mm, it's pretty awesome too. You can get some pretty hot 10mm ammo that's comparable to 41 mag. But 44 mag is definitely more powerful, no argument, against a bear, 44 mag any day.
I have a Glock 20 (10mm) and the Ruger Redhawk (44 mag). Totally different weapons. I almost exclusively leave the 44mag in the truck and carry the 10mm everywhere in the woods and streams of Alaska. Any 44 mag giving you want you want out of that cartridge necessarily needs to have at least a 5” barrel and be beefy to shoot comfortably. No handgun is worse to shoot than a short barrel, light frame 44. You can find tons of those for sale in Alaska.
I agree. I'm pretty happy with my G20, KKM barrel, and some Underwood ammo.
Whats worse is all these bear guns in 454 Casull, .475, .480, .500. I swear I've never seen anyone shoot these well enough to defend against a bear charge. Theyd be better off with a .357, 10mm, .45 Colt.
747 Driver. I would carry the Glock 20 too. Most people that I have seen shoot a 44 magnum can't hit shit anyway. I would take 16 rounds of 220 grain buffalo bore any day. I switched my stock barrel to a KKM and recoil spring to a 21 pound spring and it shoots flawlessly. I guess I would rather have the better accuracy and much higher capacity. I also want a gun I can shoot with one hand just incase I ever get hurt while in the woods and only have use of one hand. I can rack my glock on my belt and fire it one handed. Can't say the same for a 44 magnum
@@tjames525 I plan on using a pistol only as a back up to my rifle. I’m not sure any pistol should be a primary method of defense against large bears. Honestly, if conditions allow, I am using bear spray.
I hear ya there! I have bear spray connected to my bino harness and the glock in a drop leg holster. I would much rather use the spray if I can.
I'm old fashioned and I like revolvers , but I tried my Smith 44 mag 6 1/2 barrel against my mag research 454 with Dr length barrel , penetration was a tie , bit the 454 DoD more damage the second it hit , both great guns !
haha great video! I had to be "that guy" and actually went to the range with both rounds to test on simulated grizzly bear flesh. The 10mm has recently got really popular here in Alaska for bear protection...
It is popular because of your videos. lol The "Best bear gun" debate has been raging in Alaska since the 60s and continues on today. lol
That couldn't of been cheap. It's always fun taking out the big boys at the range but if I'm trying make a day out of it.22 hands down. Fun all day without crying of paying so much for rounds 😭
It started getting popular up there in the 90’s. Thanks to that, I was able to buy a Colt Amaconda .44 mag NIB for $500 (at a gun store on tudor road in anchorage). I’m still convinced the popularity is due to marketing hype much more than endorsements or long-term use by hunting guides.
How about the BFR revolver chambered in 45-70?
Well thought out and explained
“It’s a dying round”.
Welcome to 2022. 🤣
I love the 10mm but YM is exactly right, it's equivalent to a .357 mag, not a .41 mag and definitely not a .44 mag!!
I was reading earlier that the case dimensions of a 45acp has the same internal volume for loading as a 357 magnum, though I dont think the big bore stuff needs much speed.
Fact: one of the reasons why 10mm was dropped by the FBI was because the grips were too big for a number of agents.
No, the main reason was price. They wanted to cut costs. So they've been shifted into use for only the special operations units of the FBI.
It’s 2019 now and the 10mm lives, 357 sig is dead. Even yankem carries a 10mm now
Did you eat those words when the Boomer with a .357 Sig dome that church shooter with a single shot to the head from across the room?
Just because a hand full of people use it doesnt mean its not dead. 357 sig is a great round but its dying. At least with 960 Roland you can still shoot 9mm in it without swapping parts.
Goattacular He could’ve had a 22 lr wouldn’t prove anything if it was a domer
What’s 357?)
Goattacular nope. Big dick jack wilson is a hero, but 10mm is still better than 357 sig.
Thanks for keeping it real & true! Some of these knuckleheads need guys like you to set the bar higher & put them in their place!
Nah. He's a fudd idiot. Anyone who might set the bar higher wouldn't have gone into CHAZ/CHOP and told them he's one of them. This dude's tainted meat.
What are going to do, carry a 2 inch barrel 44? Or a 6 inch massive revolver for 6 rounds or 15 rounds of .41?
Muzzle volocity and accuracy, I've shot both I'll keep my 10mm
I don’t understand 44 is a faster more accurate round accuracy dependent on shooter 44 pushes a 300 grain as fast as a 10mm pushes a 200 i was just wondering what your comment meant
So you want less velocity...? Less power? The accuracy is probably close on both. 10 mm is no match for the 44 mag. Get a Coonan or Desert Eagle if you want semi auto 44 mag with more rounds.
@@wascash 10mm is cheaper and he can carry more and he can decide for himself he is a grown man.
PRACTICE THIS DRILL: If you think you are going to get a "brain shot" and T-zone win a charging Grizzly, please, please practice this all important drill - A bears brain is the size of a softball. Have somebody throw a softball at you, at 40 mph from 20 yards away, skipping along the ground the way a bears head moves when it's bounding. Now rapidly draw and fire.
+1 if you hit the softball.
-1 if you miss the softball.
-10 if you shoot the guy who threw the softball
** The point of this illustration is to address the myriad of 10mm users who claim that in order to make up for the lack of power with the 10mm they will elect to execute a brain shot. It is better to land some serious energy with a .44 mag then miss your critically needed brain shots with a 10mm.
I stopped when my score hit -11. Nobody else would throw the ball at me. Am I an operator yet?
6 rounds of .44 = DONE
15 rounds of 10mm? A bit better
so...you be better off with a 10mm semi than a 44 mag revolver. at least you can put 15 rounds of 10mm into the bear vs 6 on a revolver
Max W Screw it, give the bear my left arm & empty all 6 right then & there
But 10mm is rather ineffective. The only people that say its good for bear are glocktards.
Is a 44 super equal to a 41 magnum. Your response is much appreciated.
That's why I carry my 45 everyday and as soon as I hit the woods it's my 8in 44mag.
I agree 110% on 44 mag.
its The Boss"
penetration & DYNAMITE
energy shock"
great vid.
44mag isn't even close to boss. Shoot a full power 454casull beside it. I swear the barometric pressure changes around four for a split second. Borrow one and try before you buy. I was about 6 rounds into not needing one
Finally someone is talking sense about the 44mag / 10mm difference
Please include bloopers in every video, it makes my day.
I have all three 10mm, 357, 44 mag and they are all great. 10mm is a great round they're all great rounds. For brown bears personally I want 10 gauge back up with 44 mag, 454 casull.
I think it's simple:
If you have to defend yourself from grizzlys and you can aim: get .44magnum or above.
If you have to defend yourself from grizzlys but you can't aim: get a shotgun.
If it people you think you need to defend yourself from:
get 9mm if you are average
or .45 ACP if you are above average
10mm Auto if you are anything close to a real hot shot.
If you are a real poor shot? FN 5,7 mm if you are a ritch man...
And if you are a poor man? A shotgun ;)
Very well said!!
+FrightfulAccountant ...What load are you going to put into a 12 gauge to defend yourself against a grizzly? A slug is the only thing that comes to mind that would be suitable. Even 00 buck only averages 12" of gel penetration (source: TNoutdoors9). For a grizzly, I suspect you'll want a minimum of 20+ inches of gel penetration.
Uhh,you do need to aim with a shotgun bro
What if I'm blind
+Andrew shoulder mounted laser cannon
Hey you made some sense this time, lol. the 44 mag has little peer especially if you consider the availability of 44 mag brass and the wide selection of moulds available for it, making 44 Mag cheaper overall to shoot than the young man's 10mm fancies. The 44 Mag is way more versatile than a 10.
How dead does something have to be?
Are they more dead having been shot with.44 magnum?
If you put 6 rounds of.44 magnum into something is it 6x more dead?
If you put 16 rounds of 10mm into something is it 16x less dead or more dead or is it dead at all because it wasn’t shot with a.44 mag or a 500 S&W?
Well my XDM 10-4.25 is very comfortable in my hand and shoots great. Nice channel. Carry on!!
I bought a glock 20 for cool factor. Its my favorite handgun for regular shooting now. 10mm has exploded in my area. Everyone has one now. When i bought one like 5 years ago, i thought it was cool because it was rare. Now even wal marts are stocking 10mm ammo
+theshapeexists Yeah. Walmart 10mm ammo. Like this Remington 10mm ammo that I saw a few months ago for $30?
Remington UMC 180 grain FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 529 ft. lbs.
Underwood 180 grain FMJ in 40 S&W
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 484 ft. lbs.
At least with the Underwood ammo, you'll achieve the advertised velocity. With the 10mm white box Remington, you'd be lucky to average 1100 fps.
Perry Hughes Like i said its huge in colorado. I find ammo all day for prices in the same range as 45acp. 5280 armory rocks
theshapeexists
Check the advertised ballistics of what you're purchasing. If you're buying inexpensive target 10mm ammo, in all probability, it's scarcely better than warm 40 S&W.
+TOBORE8THMAN yes I'm very aware of ballistics. plinking vs plinking is similar in cost as is 45 acp plus p vs 10 mm full House. and of course the 10mm is way Hotter
theshapeexists
"Way hotter"...No. Not so much
Underwood 45 ACP+P 185 gn XTP #331
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 592 ft. lbs.
Underwood 10mm 180 grain XTP #243
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 676 ft. lbs.
The .44mag is more powerful than the 10mm auto. Thank you captain obvious. Not the fucking point though. If I'm out in the wild and a grizzly is charging me, I'll take my Glock 20 with 16 rounds in it, along with two extra magazines that I can load into the gun with speed and ease, over a 6 shot revolver that weighs twice as much and can't be reloaded quickly or easily in a high stress situation. Even without reloading, I'll have 10 more bullets to stop that bear with.
You'll get two shots tops from either gun. I hope the bear doesn't get a bowel obstruction from you G20.
10 for humans and 44 to make it known you don't fuck around. I have both and have no need to compare them because both can do the job.
I had to look up munden but there is some validity to mad mikes comment.
.44 magnum from a handgun is usually considered the minimum for brown bear protection. A big bear would shrug off those 10mm's lke bee stings. Theirs a reason most hunting guides in Alaska carry large rifles(.45-70, .375 H&H etc).
Exactly this guy is dumb or just trying to start conversation on his channel
How about the 460 Rowland? Is that a compromised round or can it compare to the 44 mag?
Next let us know which is better, .50 bmg or 9mm
I like your video. I'm a huge 10mm enthusiast, but I'm with you on the 44 mag issue. Most knowledgeable shooters will actually state that the 10 isn't even 41 mag power. The 10 is just another way to get more people in our lifestyle. personally, for me, bear territory is met with 50AE. No worries there. Great job on the vid! post more!
Is any of the 45colt ammo on the market powerful enough to kill a bear?
@@ronaldjarrett8262 I'm not sure If you mean .45 Colt like the old cowboy revolver cartridge or .45 acp in a colt 1911. But for bears neither is a good idea imo. The only way to stop a charging bear before he gets to you is a brain shot or spine shot that will sever the spine. Neither are powerful enough to go through a grizzlies angled skull reliably. I've heard .45 acp can sometimes sheer off at the sheer thickness and angle of the skull and considering .45 Colt is only SLIGHTY more powerful neither is a good idea. 10mm is much better than both of those options and I still don't think it's enough. I carry a .44 mag with +p+ .340 grain hard cast bullets that will shred a bears spine or blow it's skull to smithereens. When it comes to bears go for .44 mag and up if you are carrying a pistol. But personally shotguns are the best I just hike a lot so my .44 mag revolver isn't so cumbersome to carry. Watch any video of a bear eating something alive like an elk calf or something they don't kill their prey immediately they just pin you down and eat you alive it's a very slow and agonizing way to go, unless you want that to be you make sure to bring the proper tool for the job or else you'll be turned into bear scat.
@@noticing_patterns thanks so much for info. Meant 45colt. As far as a 12-gauge shotgun what's the ammo to use a slug or 3"magum 00buck. First time bear hunter. 🐻
@@ronaldjarrett8262 I thought you mean defense not hunting. Well dang if you are hunting I would say just use a 30-06 or .308 rifle or something. Don't wanna get too close. But if you are determined to use a shotgun go for 12 gauge Magnum slugs not buckshot trust me. There are videos of bears eating buckshot to the face and still coming.
Sig Sauer just recently released a line of 10mm pistols. Dan Wesson just built a 10mm, EAA is building them like crazy, Glock just released the 40MOS and has been selling both the 20 and the 29 in great numbers, not to mention Colt still making 10mm pistols.
How is it dying?
+Charles T Just purchased Glock 40 and Sig p220 10mm, gaining in popularity I'd say with certainty. Will buy more as I save some penny.
Cheers
That Sig 10mm pistol was under glass at a shop in Richmond, VA about 6 months ago with a price tag of $1500.00. Considering that the vast majority of 10mm ammo that people purchase off the store shelves are scarcely better than warm 40 S&W, there doesn't seem much point in the caliber. For the budget minded 10mm fans, you're pretty much stuck with a lousy glock.
The caliber isn't dying, the hype is dying.
How do u figure u can buy 10mm ammo of the shelve that pushes 600-750ish pounds of force, show me a 40short and wimpy that can do that. 40sw is a waterd down 10mm at best I pick up 10mm that is weak 500 pounds of energy at about the same price as 40sw and its still trumps the 40sw
Deffanitly not dying if anything its making a come back. I carry hot 10mm for hunting and light 10mm for self defense and the light stuff still trumps hot 40sw
The only reasonable answer is chest holster for your 44 mag and waist or leg holster a 10mm for backup
Advertised velocity of 10mm ammunition (180 grains projectiles) from various manufactures:
Sellier and Bellot 180 grain FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 1164 fps
Muzzle Energy: 543 ft lb
Remington UMC 180 grain FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 529 ft. lbs.
Prvi Partizan 180 grain JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1083 fps
Muzzle Energy: 469 ft. lbs.
Federal American Eagle 180 grain FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 1060 fps
Muzzle Energy: 449 ft. lbs.
Armscor 180 grain FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps.
Muzzle Energy: 529 ft. lbs.
PMC Bronze 170 grain JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 543 ft lbs
Hornady 180 grain XTP
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 556 ft. lbs.
Freedom Munitions 180 grain FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 1120 fps
Muzzle Energy: 501 ft lbs
Georgia Arms 180 grain FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 484 ft lbs
.460 rowland is the 44 mag of automatics ;-)
megadeth22885 Except it doesn't even exist on store shelves. 10mm does.
The 10mm ammo on store shelves is nothing more than warm 40 S&W.
If you want hyper charged fanboy 10mm ammo, you've got to order it on line...just like you would 460 Rowland. Although, recently SIG has offered full power 10mm that's available in my area (Richmond). It's great ammo for 10mm fanatics.
the desert eagle 44 mag is...but that .460 rowland is a beast too!
Get the Glock 20 and buy a .40 super conversion barrel. Get the ammo from Underwood. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.
10 mil is 41 mag
What about .50ae? It seems many forget about it when discussing semi auto cartridges. Hard to pass up on a 300gr pill moving along at 1600fps.
true lol bigger diameter bullet makes a difference, without making the casing too long.
Oh never mind, the casing of both the 50ae and 44 mag are almost exactly the same length. Still more energy though.
freedomonlyfreedom Yes the .50ae is roughly the same the length, just more girth.
Well I think one reason ppl forget about it is the only popular gun that shoots that caliber is a desert eagle and they are not really reliable. Id rather have my 10mm that I know is gonna cycle and fire opposed to a desert eagle that might onke get one round off then not cycle again.
William Stewart u know that u can shoot 44 magnum rounds that are like 340 grains and still have higher velocity than the 50 ae but only if the 44 is Max load and in a single action revolver with a long ass barrel
Great Data ...where to find a good shoulder holster for 44 Mag Alaskan?
My TNW 16" barrel with a 125 grain i am getting 3000 fps. Is your 44 mag doing that? I am just asking. Take a 125 grain 44 mag an a 10mm 125 grain both out of 16" barrel. And i would like to see you do it if you would. I know what my 10mm TNW will do.
I remember the early 90's when the 10mm hit its first wave of popularity. I lived in Michigan, and the new 10mm was going to be the best auto for the hunting woods. By the end of the 90's there was a few used 10mm in every gunshop. Traded in for revolvers, most 44 mag. Why? It just wasn't a whitetail hunting firearm. 1. Hunting pistols need to have hunting accuracy. A semi-auto 10mm is a close range pistol. Short barrel equals short sight radius, no scope . Topped with high recoil for weight. The 10mm is just isn't accurate enough. 2. The 10mm didn't effectively kill deer. Some blame ammo, accuracy is another reason. So if the 10mm can't reliably kill whitetails, why does anyone think it will reliably kill a bear? Gun writers and marketing hype it up, then reality kills the 10mm again. Sad the cycle has happened 4-5 times in 30 years. Maybe someday people will learn. But if we keep listening to the keyboard experts with "my friend's brother's uncle's sister's husband's cousin....killed a 2000 lbs bear with 4 shots of 10mm", then the cycle will repeat. Watch a bear charge video, you'l be lucky to get 2-3 shots off. I would want them to be the hardest hitting thing I can handle. Believing that having more than 6 shots will help in a bear charge scenario is just nonsense.
Nice blog post, stopped reading after "is just isn't"
All I have to say to this video is "Thank you Elmer Keith."
do you have any experience with the .460 Rowland?
What's your opinion on the mares leg I was thinking about a .44 mag one as well
Correct. While I love the 10mm, it does not compare to .44 mag. To think so is a bit ridiculous. In odd terms, a 10mm is simply a .40 magnum. (edit) Being that the .40 is a reduced 10mm. (same size, longer case, etc) It would stand to reason if manufacturers actually called the 10mm a "40 Magnum" sales would likely increase. What do you think?
The video is dead accurate. What makes the 10mm great is that is has a boatload of power, for a high capacity pistol. It was made for FBI agents to carry and as a personal defense weapon, it is nigh unparalleled. It's very accurate, with lots of bullets and loads of power. It's use as a hunting weapon is an afterthought.
That said, it obviously is not on par with a big .44 mag revolver when it comes to raw power. As the man in the video says, it is foolish to compare them.
I'll say this, were I ever to find myself under attack by hostile men intent on doing me serious harm, give me that 10mm Glock 20. If I ever find my self getting charge by a angry brown bear, give me the .44 mag. Fortunately, my life isn't THAT exciting.
+Elthenar I don't think it was made for FBI agents initially. Its inception and the infamous shooting where two FBI agents perished that sparked the "hurr 9mm is weak" debate were just very close to one another time-wise, and the FBI opted to use the 10mm even though it was a fairly new cartridge with not a lot of guns made for it. (and that completely bombed, because they went right back to 9mm not long after, and then to .40, and now they're going back to 9mm /again/)
That being said, 10mm is a really fun round to shoot and I wouldn't mind having one as a defensive handgun.
You guys are right. It was made for the Bren Ten in 83 and adopted by the FBI after the Miami shootout.
Otherwise I stand by everything I said about the cartridge itself. It's a great compromise between power, capacity and size while also being very accurate.
And since then, the Bren Ten's undergone countless "revival" phases, all of which have fallen on their respective asses. It really sucks, because those were cool guns :/ (even though there are CZ 75-style guns made by other manufacturers chambered in 10mm that are much more affordable, but still)
Kim Alatore
The Bren Ten would be nice to have as a collector piece maybe, but as a functional 10mm you might as well get a Glock 20. I don't own one but I have fired one, even with the full power loads it is fairly easy to handle and laser accurate.
+Elthenar I will just use your comment so every one can see it as it's on the top.
DO NOT LISTEN TO THAT GUY! HE IS FAKE AND HE'S A TOOL!
HE'S BEING PAID FOR ALL THAT STUFF AND MAIN GOAL IS TO ACTUALLY PUSH THE GUN CONTROL AGENDA TROUGH!!!
He is telling people not to take firearms class, messing with their heads, playing with people. Look at his videos, fulfilled with demonic colors and hidden marks. I kow that probably now 99% of you are laughing at me but don't lie to your self, try to concentrate on some guns after watching this guys videos, you can't...
He is always confusing people around guns and ammo like in this case. I need penetration bro, not "power". With 10mm round I can defeat a level of armor that is rated to stop .44 mag so once again, proof that this guy is spreading confusion. YET! HE MANAGE TO DELETE MY COMMENTS, so that would mean I was right.
FUCK THIS GUY! UNSCRIBE NOW, THERE ARE MANY OTHER GUN CHANNELS AROUND YT THAT ARE FUN< INFORMATIVE AND GOOD TO WATCH.
Bless you Americans, hold on to yours 2nd amendment!!! YOU ARE THE ONLY FRONTIERS LEFT!!!
Europe is being flooded by immigrants that are raping our kids and wifes, when we are trying to protect them police is shooting at us! DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN IN US PLEASE!!!!
For your how many 9mms is it vodeo,video, the concept of 10mm usually has at least 2 to 3 more shots if not double the ammo
You can find videos on here of 155gr 10mm getting over 1300 joules (960+ foot pounds) of energy out of a 6" barrel. That is more than any .357 magnum I know of.
Is .44 magnum potentially more powerful? Yes. Is there some overlap? Yes. Do I believe 10mm is the better round? Yes.
Out or a 20" barrel lever action rifle I will prefer the .44 mag, but for a handgun, 10mm is the way to go. I saw it go through 5mm of steel, what will you be shooting?
The times me and my father had shooting were some of the fondest memories of my life
One of my favorite vids..I like like the fat lady example, and it's true. I have heard stories of men dropping grizzlies with one shot from a .44 mag revolver and a story of a man with a Taurus 9mm just barely(by luck/grace of God) stopping a grizzly with the 15th and final round. Kind of like if I said one shot with a 30-30 is identical to 15 rounds of .22 long rifle, I mean they do equal the same energy right? lol, the difference is that not one of those .22 rounds would get through that dense rib cage yet one shot from a 30-30 will blow right through, fragment the shit out of those bones like a grenade going off and drop that beast.
Lol I wouldn't even go after a grizzly with a 30/06 so what makes you think a 30/30 would drop one! If you're going with a lever gun then might as well get a 45/70
it's not ideal but a 30-30 is still a fine weapon and could kill a grizzle pretty effectively. I also would pick a 45-70 or .444 if I had the choice.
+Sam Man
His fat lady example was a straw man. The bride WILL have supported 1200 pounds in total, just not all at once. The grizzly you are shooting WILL have absorbed the kinetic energy from each shot, just not all the shots at once.
And for your 22 example, yes it would be the same amount of muzzle energy. But this brings me to the main point, shot placement is wayyyy more important than muzzle energy or "stopping power". There was a guy who killed a griz with a 22 with just a few shots, one hit it in the eye and went into its brain. You could shoot all 6 44mag and miss all its vitals and it could maul your ass before it bleeds out. Not saying that is likely, or that 44mag is inadequate at all for bear, just pointing this out. More rounds you have, more chances to make the shot placement you need. You could kill a griz with 1 shot of 44mag possible, also possibly with 1 shot of 10mm. There are many more factors to consider than just round "power", such as shot placement and penetration, when deciding how effective a cartridge is for a particular purpose.
You need all that energy in one place to break through a bear's body and ribs. A .22 just won't do it, if you want several shots of .22 hoping for eye shots than have at it, but i'd rather have one large caliber round and wait for the last moment of attack so to be sure I make a fatal blow. What would you rather have when comparing these two similar added energy? One rifled 12 gauge slug in a break barrel shotgun, or a fully loaded 10/22? Anyone would be a fool to choose the .22 in bear country.
+Sam Man I've heard stories of men who had trouble dropping a Grizzly with a semi-automatic .30-06...on one account an individual put 12 of the 17 (10+1, 4+1) rounds into the bear which was grounded roughly 10 feet away from the other individual it was trying to attack. You'd be surprised how well .22LR's can penetrate now (check out the videos involving a full skull make-up including approximated skull, tissue, and even brain from a 4" pistol barrel. A 40g Velocitor will go clean through the back of your dome with energy to spare). It's not smart to use a .22LR on a bear unless it's the only thing you have...but you'd be surprised how many bears (including polar bears) have been killed with a barrage of .22 fire.
So while I do agree that the .44 and 10mm aren't comparable in terms of "true power"...I also believe that entirely too many people (especially here in America) use large calibers as a way of compensating for small dicks and other insecurities more than for actual, plausible use. If we were talking FMJ milspec ammo I'd agree a 9mm won't hang with a .45...but when you put good, high-quality self defense ammo with hollowpoint ammunition in it and neither gun will make a hole that's easily discerned from the other. Recent studies show that .40 ballistics in most mediums are identical to .45 ACP with less weight and 50% less recoil. Does this make it a better round? No it's higher pressure and it's obnoxiously bad on gun frames...but that doesn't mean it won't do the same thing.
This dude knows what's up. Nice delivery, too.
Very interesting to watch this in 2022. I agree with the obvious conclusion here, but I think the prediction that 10mm is a dying round was a little premature.
I use, 44 mag 265 gr. 1460 fps. 7 in barrel in the bush. I prefer 44 mag in my lever action, while hunting cougar over the 30-30. Just personal choice and what my experience dictates to me. As for arguing about that? Not up for debate.
+Marcus Amyotte Nice. I like the 45 Colt (Ruger) loads myself over the 44 Magnum and I'm shopping for a good 45 Colt Lever rifle now. Nice complement for my 45 Colt Redhawk. Personally, I do believe the 30-30 to be the most perfect do it all rifle cartridge of ever and all time. But for me, I'll take my 45 Colt lever...if I ever find one.
+TOBORE8THMAN Snag one for me too if you find any, I can't seem to find one either
+Slain Liberty yes 44 isn't exactly ideal for personal defense but I believe this discussion is mainly about animal protection (i.e. bear and such) in which a 44 would be preferred because there is only enough time for a few shot but I only hunt whitetail with a 44 and hogs anything over 300 ibs I carry a 454 casull in a carbine with 360 gr handloads or my bfr 500 with 440 gr 1640 loads but if we're talking personal defense I carry a g21 converted to 460 Rowland with 250 fn hatdcast and 2 extra 13 round mags so I fuck both those calibers up energy and ballistics wise
+Slain Liberty sorry man sent to send that to Marc CSS
+Marcus Amyotte I'm tired of all the debates myself. Too many people compensating for insecurities and a lack of manhood. I love my .243 and I can't tell you how many people have talked shit about it just to inevitably bring up their .223 AR as if it weren't twice as dinky. I also can't tell you how many times I've heard people talk shit about 9mm's and .22LR's until one of them actually gets one pointed at them...then, as if by magic, they suddenly drop the tough guy act! It's amazing...
Love my 5 1/2" barrel Redhawk in 44 I bought in 84. I replaced the grips and also put millet sights on it. Did same for my Redhawk 41 mag as well. I reload and neither pistol has ever seen a factory load. 210 grain Sierra JHC was 1600 fps with W296 powder and that was my deer and silhouette bullet until I bought a Dan Wesson .357 maximum for silhouette shooting. My bear load was a 300 grain Barnes bullet at 1150 fps and of the 6 bears I killed with that round only one needed a second shot. A 240 grain jsp was right at 1350 fps with H110 powder.
41 rem mag is my favorite round it's not overpowering to me but I'm 6'7 260 I can dump a Smith and Wesson model 27or 59 I'm sorry don't have time to look it up but very overshadowed round
Best video I’ve seen in a while.
I'm thinking about getting either a 357 or 44 magnum revolver for home defense, what are your thoughts on this subject?
+Freddie Slaughter get the .357mag and then use .38spl+p ammo.
i like 10mm because my glock 20 has a 6 inch barrel... and holds 16 rounds.... and i carry 200 gr hard cast solid lead bullets.... the 10 mm is between a 357 mag and 41 mag (closer too a 41) and i can reload faster that is why i choose 10 mm over 44... not that it matters because i also carry a 45-70 so if i empty a 45-70 into a bear and it i still upright.. and by some strange chance the i have to use a my pistol im to fucking close to death anyway.. and if i survive its amazing
Okay, now how many rounds can you shoot in 2 seconds with that 10mm pistol, then how many can you shoot in the same time, with a double action .44 cal. revolver? On a related note, about how many seconds would you expect a bear attack to last from the point of it charging and you drawing to the point either it's incapacitated or you are?
10mm Imo is still the best automatic handgun round, it has more energy at 100 yards then a .45ACP does at the muzzle. it's essentially a magnum load. it's just a shame 10mm never really caught on and has become sort of a niche round.
Not all 10mm or 45 ACP ammo is the same.
Underwood 45 ACP+P 185 grain XTP (item #331)
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 592 ft. lbs.
Hornady 10mm 180 grain XTP (item# 326255)
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 556 ft. lbs.
+TOBORE8THMAN commercial 10mm is way underloaded. they did this to improve sales of the 10mm fbi load is well over 1600 fps.
"10mm is more powerful than 45 acp loaded by Underwood"? Ok. Lets take a look at more equally weighted bullets from a few other manufactures.
Sellier & Bellot Ammunition 10mm Auto 180
Muzzle Velocity: 1164 fps
Muzzle Energy: 543 ft lb
Prvi Partizan Ammunition 10mm Auto 180 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point
Muzzle Velocity: 1083 fps
Muzzle Energy: 469 ft. lbs.
Remington UMC Ammunition 10mm Auto 180 Grain Full Metal
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 529 ft. lbs.
Federal American Eagle Ammunition 10mm Auto 180 Grain Full Metal Jacket
Muzzle Velocity: 1060 fps
Muzzle Energy: 449 ft. lbs.
Of course I did. Underwood 10mm is slightly more powerful than Underwood 45 ACP +P in equally weighted bullets. Underwood 45 APC+P is slightly more powerful than commercially available 10mm in equally weighted bullets. If Underwood 10mm is slightly more powerful than Underwood 45 ACP +P and slightly less powerful than Underwood .357 Magnum in equally weighted bullets, why the fuck are we even mentioning 10mm in the same breath as 44 Magnum?
+TOBORE8THMAN again your comparing the underloaded stuff. the FBI load and older commercial ammo is WAY hotter than El cheapo 10mm.
Can you do a video with 460 rowland vs 44mag? They claim 460 is "almost" is as powerful as 44 mag. What do YOU think??
Try 7,62x25 Tokarev round 80gr against 44 mag ant tell me which one is better
I'm a wheelgun fanatic and a pure pleasure-shooter, and have been under the spell of the extremely-versatile 10×25mm since the early-mid-nineties. The poster is engaging in an improper argument; even as a Ten-Ringer my all-time favourite firearm is a pre-lock 5" 610, moonclips and all. I'd imagine if I were hunting (I won't invoke Ted or any of the hardliners here) something that weighs twice as much as myself, I'd not be doing it with a pistol-cartridge, full-stop. I don't doubt that you _could_, and granted as I said I've never hunted, but were I to decide to equip myself for such an expedition, a pistol of any type would be a sort of afterthought that would give me a dip in the hip because some part of me figures I'd be bad-ass, dumba nd unlucky enough to be assaulted by some other apex-predator and the dumber portion of that same stupidity would assume I'd snap into CQB mode and square off with said primal killing-machine. I wouldn't. I wouldn't with the hottest 10mm, I wouldn't with my 629, I wouldn't with a .500, I wouldn't with any of those crazy sticks of dynamite with a lead ingot on the end that John Linebaugh, Mike Cyrus, J.D. Jones or any other brilliant wildcatters could chamber. Why? Because I need more barrel, damn it! the more barrel, the better, and if we're going over about seven inches of that you might as well bring a rifle. Internal ballistics for even mediocre rifle rounds with shit bullets all but make a mockery of all but the luckiest pistol-rounds, at least in two-legged fleshbags, and I would imagine results only improving against critters with weird anatomical distribution, oft-thick bones scattered hither and yon, and in some cases seriously thick hides and well over an inch of "it's anyone's guess where this one's going" fat.
Unfortunately I also feel a need to point out that you're not comparing like loads from like platforms and you give absolutely no hard data to crunch to back up whatever claim (which sounds like some dickhead on a forum was using certain numbers from quite hot 10mm loads comparing favourably with off-the-shelf .44 Mag loads and which shot flatter, too. It's impressive, and people like going overboard, especially us fanboys). I don't see any need to discriminate between the two chamberings, and if anyone wants to toss out their 629 or G20 or (please please please) 610 I'll take it you'll never hear a peep out of me about the capability or handling of the weapon; I've had several of all three and they were all exquisite to shoot (the N-frames in particular, but the G20 was every bit as tough and accurate and almost dared me not to clean it). I think the most impressive overall strength of the 10mm is its ability (by those with the means and knowledge to do so) to be loaded from a featherlight comp puffer all the way out to a goddamn-near external-ballistic contender to the .44Mag, and tales about the 10mm Magnum ought to charm the pants off of any big-bore enthusiast, no matter his personal persuasion. Just so long as you never own or mention a .45ACP, you're my friend; let's quit getting so wound up about hyperbolic theoretical equivalents of "my dad's cartridge can kick your dad's cartridge's ass" and get out there and either find a way to make firearms and ammunition more affordable and accessible or just shoot our pay-cheques away as buddies.We have a lot in common! Hell, I'll even let you shoot my guns, we're both paying out the ass for ammo and blisters. Big-bore enthusiasts, be we 10mm-nuts, .500S&W nutcases, Keith-tuned mid-forty-cal bangers, or even That One Guy who always shows up with his fuckin' Contender and every eight minutes makes everyone stop and look around unsettledly. Let's be more social at the range. Compliment a pretty gun, a guy with a great technique, someone with something you've always been dying to try, or even that one who looks like they're somehow not having fun. We're shooters, and we can spot fellow big-bore fans fairly quick. At the very least let's nod and smile and maybe strike up a conversation if time permits.
Unless you're that prick in shitkickers with the pockets of your 501s full of challenge-coins, open-carrying a cocked-and-locked 1911 (perhaps in a drop-leg thigh rig with an EGA/skull on it) and a handcuff-case for your Skoal. If you're that guy, just get back in your six-cylinder Rustang and go back to watching your MMA, beating your wife/dog and playing Call Of Duty.
"I don't care if you have a single shot .50BMG... I have a 150rd belt-fed .22lr... And the math shows... Blah, blah, blah...
I mean I can potentially kill 150 things to your 1 thing in that scenario. You're way more likely to kill one specific thing in one shot but how much guarantee do you really need?
Yankee Marshal? You're my hero!
Would you take your .44 mag out hiking in bear country?
Whoever says 10mm is the same as .44mag is ignorant and a fool. I've never seen or heard anyone make that comparison but I do know that ballistically it's hotter than a .357 and really close to a .41 Mag. But you guys already know that.
If you want 6 rounds of kick-ass Boom through a big revolver go with a .44. If you want 15 rounds of (near) kick-ass Boom through an autoloader the Glock G20 is really hard to beat.
I prefer 15 rounds of tried and true in the Glock 21. Ammo is much cheaper and in the unlikely event that I need to use it my hearing I won't go permanently deaf since most .45 ammo is subsonic.
Not so much about it being "same as" .44 magnum, it's more a case of having 15 shots in a mag that will do 75%-80% as much damage a piece vs 6 or 5 and a slower reload
You're really counting on having a lot of time to empty a mag and/or reload?
If you need that many you're dead anyway. That being said there are things out there that require 100% because it'll take 100 at 80% to do the trick while it'll take 1 at 100% for the same result. It's why nobody hunts grizzlies with 1000 .22lr.
@Pavel Manzhetov You're not Jerry Miculek and neither am I.
@@javiervalenzuela8284 Yes, but if 40% is good enough to do the job, why would you put up with all the drawbacks of the extra power?
What counts is how fast you can do. For defends I take a 10mm or .45ACP.
Odd. I like this thought: Is 1 44 better than 1 10mm? Certainly. Are 13 10mm more effective than 6 44RemMag?
How many targets do I need to destroy?
I have seen morons say that 9mm was a superior round to 5.56 because its bigger and slower, therefore it will cause more damage.
Guy actually tried to justify why a 9mm pistol was better for home defense than a AR-15, some people are just naturally stupid.
A 9mm pistol or carbine would be a more practical choice for home defense than a AR-15 due to a lower chance of over penetration. Something to consider while living in a urban sprawl.
IdleDrifter Wrong.
IdleDrifter Use the correct ammo and you wont have an issue.
IdleDrifter
5.56 is more likely to break up inside a wall than most any pistol ammo. The silly idea that round x can't penetrate a wall is just right out, a 380 with JHP rounds is likely to go through a wall. A 12ga with 00 buck is likely to go through a wall All common ammo will penetrate a wall, it's drywall and maybe, if you are lucky, a single 2x4.
Depends on the bullet construction. I never said 9mm or pistol ammo would not penetrate walls. I said over penetration. I've also fired 5.56 ammo with various bullet types. The hunting rounds and military green tips M885s tend to punch through objects than pistol ammo.
Damn everyone has lost all sense of logic ever since they cancelled Petticoat Junction on TV....🤯
I enjoy your videos. I enjoyed the out takes on this one, the first I have seen.
You should be comparing to .41 mag which is a closer cousin, although the round is quite a bit more obscure. Love your vids!
Still, only the hottest 10mm are comparable with the weakest loads of .41 Magnum, so it's closer but obviously .41 is more powerful.
No my Glock has a red Dot and light, that at least doubles my energy.
And atleast double the likely hood of people knowing carry it or know that your there at night.
There is no comparison between a 10 mm and a 44 mag a 10 mm is about the same as a 357 mag
Exactly, 10mm has kick and so does 45 acp but 44 mag is a cannon compared to 10mm and 45 acp.
Rockie mountin a 9mm+p is between a 38special and 357 mag 10mm is just below a 41mag but for an acp round its got some starch behind it.
That’s only if you buy hot shot boutique ammo. Over the counter 10mm is barely a step above .40 S&W
Isn't 10mm basically the same thing as a .40cal? There's just no comparison between 10mm and .44mag.
Yes a 40 cal. Could be called a 40 magnum
You are absolutely right about both guns thank-you for setting it straight!!!!!