The British used a plane so slow, it defeated the AA batteries because they couldn't lead it for hits and the Fairly Swordfish dropped its tin fish and disabled the Bismarck 😏👍 Obsolete doesn't matter with skill.
Swordfish did the jobs we now do with helicopters. It was a heavy lift STOL. The only machine then capable of operating from carrier decks heaving over Atlantic ocean swells.
There is a degree of BS in all of it. Highly unlikely that he shot down 94 Soviet aircraft, though he may have believed he did. Usually, claims in air combat have to be correlated with admitted losses by the other side.
@DavidBritton-nl1wv the Finnish "de-navalized" it. By dropping all the weight of the tail hook, the water survival gear, and everything else NOT needed for strictly over land flying, it became a real good performer! Even downing a Spitfire flown by a Russian pilot! A "barrel" downing "The angel of the British skys"?! You cannot deny both the plane and the pilot skills that brought that about!!
@@deguello66 Nor would I want to. I've seen odd mentions of the Finns doing well with it, this the first time I've watched anything about it specifically. It's just a little strange after the way I've heard it spoken of in Pacific war documentaries, almost treated like a joke going up against Zeros and others. I didn't know one ever downed a spitfire! All respect. I stand by my 'sleek as a barrel' comment though.
@DavidBritton-nl1wv I admit, it was a "dumpy" looking plane. Just a little work and it turned into enough of a performer. Perhaps it could have been it's poor performance in the Pacific that led to opposition overconfidence? In it's own right that could do enough to sway into Buffaloes favor. I don't really know the aerodynamics envelope of the de-navalized Buffalo. Obviously anytime you can remove weight from an aircraft, and it still be sound, that's a good thing. Removing the tail hook might have given it better turn performance? Less tail weight could have meant less chance of a stall in a turn since the tail isn't thrown by inertial forces? You increase maneuverability, you increase lethality in a dog fight. It's slow speeds combined with tighter turning, just think of the possibilities? You whip your guns around on a speedy enemy, that they still cannot outrun bullets, down the enemy goes! There is only one Buffalo fighter left in the world. Housed in a Finnish museum. Apparently revered by the Finns as a capable war fighter to warrant its preservation. One man's garbage is another man's treasure?...
The Finnish buffalo was not the same plane the British and the yanks flew. It was much lighter as the Finns stripped everything unnessary to fighting out of it. They had better trained pilots too. The yanks and the English considered Pearl and Singapore a holiday resort. Training was rudimentary. Racism prevailed.
The Fokker D21 not bothering to build more than 200+? There was that minor issue of the Netherlands being invaded. The aircraft was in fact a quantum leap for dutch aviation and Had considerable foreign interest. The maligned Brewster was also free of the performance killing armor, naval survival gear that crippled USN service. Pappy Boyington wrote about this and described The early version ‘ a sweetheart to fly.’
Why is it, with so many planes designed during this time, did they not think to specify that all test planes must carry 2000kg of inert ballast, to allow for the onslaught of equipment and armour everyone knew was to follow?
Very good video. I am conflicted about this conflict. First of all, Brewster Buffaloes in Finland? Wow, the power of American exports! Superb pilot! I had never heard of him. Of course Russia invading Finland was terrible, so i am glad that they had to end that part of the war. Overall I support the Russian people fighting Germany’s invasion of Russia. Now if only today Russia would quit invading the Ukraine. Over the course of history it is remarkable how alliances switch. Eg. England/France…Italy/Germany…USA/Japan plus too many more to mention.
War= Money=More war= More money, on and on and on. Who cares who you align with, the equation remains the same. American economy requires a revolving cycle of war.
@@sugarnads I know cuz top Western allied pilots scored around 30, therefore no one else could possibly do better than the Anglo Saxon "master race", right?
Juutilainen stayed on his tail, maintaining a steady aim despite his outdated plane’s limitations. Another burst of gunfire tore through the Soviet fighter’s fuselage. Flames erupted from the engine, and the I-16 began a desperate spiral toward the snowy ground below.
Juutilainens brother was comppany commander of Simo Häyhä in battle of Kollaa river. Later he was battalion commander and alcoholic. Finnish AA and airforce shoot down over 4 000 soviet planes during WWII.
I always like this channel and different pilot doc but the different clips of me 262 and me 163 that has nothing to do with finish pilots, there is tons of finish air war clips
Well, my granpa hold his liqouer and told me that they had plywood and hairdryers so one day after heavy drinking they had this crazy idea "What if we put these hairdryers on a kite and use them like scarecrow to scare russians away?" and so some germans saw it and took it to germany, and name it me163......
I learned long ago to ignore the film clips on any of the "Dark" episodes. I just folow the writing and narration; and I thought this one was rather good from that perspective.
Yeah, because there's obviously _hours_ of footage available of Fokker D-XXIs in Finnish markings, dogfighting during the Winter War, along with gun camera film of I-16s going down over snowy forests, right? Crazy that this channel didn't make use of it. 🙄
The Finns had there guns fixed to converge closer to the enemy plane so that they score more hits but it also meant they had to get in closer to the enemy plane. 250 yards was the normal for brits and yanks was
Okay, how did a German Messerschmitt Me-163 Komet, Me-262 Schwalbe, and a British Supermarine Spitfire get into this conflict? Not to mention the Fokkers with the Dutch triangles, the American Boeing B-17s, and Consolidated B-24s . . . accuracy doesn't seem to be a strong point here.
Juutilainen drop 125 planes, but many times there was no others to see it. Ilmar is Uralic Sky God ( Finns Ilmari). Sky God he was, any red pilots hit his plane ever.
You must mean ‘pretending’, as the word ‘pertaining’ makes no sense here. And if you know where there is more footage of the precise actions described here, do let us know. What would you prefer, still pictures?
Almost all the initial footage of Finnish aircraft was of Brewster Buffalos, not the Fokker. Then there were Me-163 rocket planes, Stukas, Spitfires, Hurricanes....a veritable encyclopedia of WW2 aircraft, most of which never flew in Finland
Not quite, much of the the "D XXI" footage (like at 12 secs) shows North American Harvards (Texan) belonging to the Royal Dutch Airforce Historical flight (which isnt part of the airforce) at Gilze Rijen Air Base that were modified to represent the D XXI in the movie "Soldaat van Oranje" . They also flew, in a different disguise , in " a bridge too far" .
You know nothing about the Finns. Never heard of the Finn who was out looking for mushrooms and had to take a dump. The next minute he was attacked by a bear. - How did you fend him off, later asked a journalist. - I crushed his skull with my basket. - But this was out of hunting season, so how did fix that? - Well, I ate the f***ing bear on the spot. You know why Chuck Norris never travels to Finland? Because the Finns live there ….
@@me55555able Dunno where you're from, but if out of Scandinavia you must know that Swedes and Norwegians have a delicate relationship, making fun of and teasing each other but there's a brotherly/sisterly love. I would say that when it comes to the Finns we have a different relationship based on both love (we tried to support them during their war with the commies) but also respect because they are and they have much what we Swedes lack - independence, stamina, pride and that thing they call SISU - the thing they show when winning whatever competition they are in and learning how they under-manned and under-armed fought back the rotten Russians is a good sign of that SISU. And hadn't the Finns been able to fight Chuck, they had invited him to a drinking contest and when he'd lost, the Finns had fed him to the bears ...
The England and it’s allies were providing weapons to Russia to fight common enemy Germany not to use to invade an innocent Finland. The Allies should have warned Russia provided equipment and weapons were to be only used for offence against Germany.
The story you tell is great. But the video material you use is abominable... Even Dutch T-8 Texans trying to look like Fokker D.XXI aircraft! Also Dutch Buffaloes and Glenn Martin bombers over Malaya and the Dutch East Indies. And a Me-163 rocket plane...
@@Franky46Boy Was I giving you an answer? No. I pointing out from the perspective of a person that has posted over 300 videos and have 750 THOUSAND subs that when you offer criticism on video production quality to people like me or Dark Docs with over a MILLION subs and here you are with ...6... 6... subs and 6 no talent videos🤣...sorry, lost my train of thought. Anyway you are a joke man.
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It is amazing that the Fins were able to get excellent performance out of aircraft that the major powers considered obsolete or underpowered.
They had a thing that was Make do with what you have or die. And like the Polish air arm of the RAF, accomplished amazing stats.
The British used a plane so slow, it defeated the AA batteries because they couldn't lead it for hits and the Fairly Swordfish dropped its tin fish and disabled the Bismarck 😏👍
Obsolete doesn't matter with skill.
Swordfish did the jobs we now do with helicopters. It was a heavy lift STOL. The only machine then capable of operating from carrier decks heaving over Atlantic ocean swells.
The Russian planes weren’t that much better and there pilots definitely weren’t either.
I,ve never seen so many different aircraft flying in the winter war ! some not even designed yet ? Truly amazing !!!!!!
Every Finnish WW2 story i hear tells of soldiers so efficient and ruthless they'd make liquid-metal terminators nervous
Nothing faster than a Finn on skis, on meth 😝
There is a degree of BS in all of it. Highly unlikely that he shot down 94 Soviet aircraft, though he may have believed he did.
Usually, claims in air combat have to be correlated with admitted losses by the other side.
I've never heard the Brewster Buffalo spoken of in such terms. 'Sleek?' It was as sleek as a barrel.
@DavidBritton-nl1wv the Finnish "de-navalized" it. By dropping all the weight of the tail hook, the water survival gear, and everything else NOT needed for strictly over land flying, it became a real good performer! Even downing a Spitfire flown by a Russian pilot! A "barrel" downing "The angel of the British skys"?! You cannot deny both the plane and the pilot skills that brought that about!!
@@deguello66
Nor would I want to. I've seen odd mentions of the Finns doing well with it, this the first time I've watched anything about it specifically. It's just a little strange after the way I've heard it spoken of in Pacific war documentaries, almost treated like a joke going up against Zeros and others. I didn't know one ever downed a spitfire! All respect.
I stand by my 'sleek as a barrel' comment though.
@DavidBritton-nl1wv I admit, it was a "dumpy" looking plane. Just a little work and it turned into enough of a performer. Perhaps it could have been it's poor performance in the Pacific that led to opposition overconfidence? In it's own right that could do enough to sway into Buffaloes favor. I don't really know the aerodynamics envelope of the de-navalized Buffalo. Obviously anytime you can remove weight from an aircraft, and it still be sound, that's a good thing. Removing the tail hook might have given it better turn performance? Less tail weight could have meant less chance of a stall in a turn since the tail isn't thrown by inertial forces? You increase maneuverability, you increase lethality in a dog fight. It's slow speeds combined with tighter turning, just think of the possibilities? You whip your guns around on a speedy enemy, that they still cannot outrun bullets, down the enemy goes! There is only one Buffalo fighter left in the world. Housed in a Finnish museum. Apparently revered by the Finns as a capable war fighter to warrant its preservation. One man's garbage is another man's treasure?...
Never seen a sleek barrel? Sweden had a “Flying Barrel”, a very capable jetfighter back in the 50’s. That one was …. Sleek.
A 94 kill streak and didn’t even use the tactical nuke. Respect.
must've had wifi connectivity dropouts, having to rejoin lobby every morning
5:15 "They circled each other like wolves." P-38 Lightning blows through the shot....
Excellent video. Thank you for documenting this man's history as a warrior - truly inspiring
What makes his achievement even more amazing is both the Fokker and the Buffalo had half the guns that a Hurricane or Spitfire had.
The Finnish buffalo was not the same plane the British and the yanks flew. It was much lighter as the Finns stripped everything unnessary to fighting out of it. They had better trained pilots too. The yanks and the English considered Pearl and Singapore a holiday resort. Training was rudimentary. Racism prevailed.
it does help that three of the guns were .50 Cal
@@DownUnderBlunders Yeah, and if I remember correctly on top of my head, the 30 cal was replaced by 50 cal, not totally sure.
And th3y told twice the bullshit
it's not the plane its the pilot
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!!
The Fokker D21 not bothering to build more than 200+? There was that minor issue of the Netherlands being invaded. The aircraft was in fact a quantum leap for dutch aviation and
Had considerable foreign interest.
The maligned Brewster was also free of the performance killing armor, naval survival gear that crippled USN service. Pappy Boyington wrote about this and described
The early version ‘ a sweetheart to fly.’
Why is it, with so many planes designed during this time, did they not think to specify that all test planes must carry 2000kg of inert ballast, to allow for the onslaught of equipment and armour everyone knew was to follow?
Very good video. I am conflicted about this conflict. First of all, Brewster Buffaloes in Finland? Wow, the power of American exports! Superb pilot! I had never heard of him. Of course Russia invading Finland was terrible, so i am glad that they had to end that part of the war. Overall I support the Russian people fighting Germany’s invasion of Russia. Now if only today Russia would quit invading the Ukraine. Over the course of history it is remarkable how alliances switch. Eg. England/France…Italy/Germany…USA/Japan plus too many more to mention.
There were Buffaloes in Finland
Yeah the fins bought quite a few.
As for his claims? Sure. I seriously doubt it.
War= Money=More war= More money, on and on and on. Who cares who you align with, the equation remains the same. American economy requires a revolving cycle of war.
@@sugarnads I know cuz top Western allied pilots scored around 30, therefore no one else could possibly do better than the Anglo Saxon "master race", right?
Juutilainen stayed on his tail, maintaining a steady aim despite his outdated plane’s limitations. Another burst of gunfire tore through the Soviet fighter’s fuselage. Flames erupted from the engine, and the I-16 began a desperate spiral toward the snowy ground below.
I love the footage used here. ME262? Japanese Zero? Any and all.....
Juutilainens brother was comppany commander of Simo Häyhä in battle of Kollaa river. Later he was battalion commander and alcoholic. Finnish AA and airforce shoot down over 4 000 soviet planes during WWII.
I always like this channel and different pilot doc but the different clips of me 262 and me 163 that has nothing to do with finish pilots, there is tons of finish air war clips
Well, my granpa hold his liqouer and told me that they had plywood and hairdryers so one day after heavy drinking they had this crazy idea "What if we put these hairdryers on a kite and use them like scarecrow to scare russians away?" and so some germans saw it and took it to germany, and name it me163......
An Me 163 flying in the Russo-Finnish war? Extraordinary!
The docunentary is good but 90% of the clips are irrelevent show me 163 me 262 stuka and spitfires etc 😂
I learned long ago to ignore the film clips on any of the "Dark" episodes. I just folow the writing and narration; and I thought this one was rather good from that perspective.
@@MichaelSundin-ly6ptyeah, the visuals were very confusing to me.
Plus half of the time the aircraft on screen half Dutch markings!
Yeah, because there's obviously _hours_ of footage available of Fokker D-XXIs in Finnish markings, dogfighting during the Winter War, along with gun camera film of I-16s going down over snowy forests, right? Crazy that this channel didn't make use of it. 🙄
Excellent post Sir.
I learned something new. Thank you.
Dark Docs kicks so much ass!!! Keep up the phenomenal work guy. 💯💪🏻
Excellent writing and narration!
Simpler stripped down Brewster Buffalos were very maneuverable, but many were lost in landing accidents.
Love the purple prose. 😁
Good vid!
"My aim was good" I wish I was that badass 😂
The Finns had there guns fixed to converge closer to the enemy plane so that they score more hits but it also meant they had to get in closer to the enemy plane. 250 yards was the normal for brits and yanks
was
Gifted humans are everywhere we just never know when it will be neccessary to be unvovered or revealed. Soviet pilots found out 94 times
Why those videos are not Finland planes??? Not even same type??
Drama ….For dramatic purposes.
The Buffalo had "a reputation as a hunter in the sky?" The Buffalo? Only in Finnish hands.
You forgot the sopwith camel.
Okay, how did a German Messerschmitt Me-163 Komet, Me-262 Schwalbe, and a British Supermarine Spitfire get into this conflict? Not to mention the Fokkers with the Dutch triangles, the American Boeing B-17s, and Consolidated B-24s . . . accuracy doesn't seem to be a strong point here.
Don't let facts obscure a good narrative 🙃
How did that P38 sneak in there?
Or the Spitfire?
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Never let good stories ruin …… facts …. 🤔
Juutilainen drop 125 planes, but many times there was no others to see it.
Ilmar is Uralic Sky God ( Finns Ilmari). Sky God he was, any red pilots hit his plane ever.
Great story.
interesting collection of aircraft pertaining to be that which they are not , in this video
You must mean ‘pretending’, as the word ‘pertaining’ makes no sense here. And if you know where there is more footage of the precise actions described here, do let us know. What would you prefer, still pictures?
Dutch Bombers at 06:34 and at 15:42 ?
LeLv = Lentolaivue = Flight Squadron
The narrator took an oxycontin
Or a bottle of Pitú.
I-153 "Chaika" were biplanes not monoplanes. Couldn't you find any film clips of biplanes being shot at?
At 3:26 he shot down a Me163 Komet!
Almost all the initial footage of Finnish aircraft was of Brewster Buffalos, not the Fokker. Then there were Me-163 rocket planes, Stukas, Spitfires, Hurricanes....a veritable encyclopedia of WW2 aircraft, most of which never flew in Finland
Not quite, much of the the "D XXI" footage (like at 12 secs) shows North American Harvards (Texan) belonging to the Royal Dutch Airforce Historical flight (which isnt part of the airforce) at Gilze Rijen Air Base that were modified to represent the D XXI in the movie "Soldaat van Oranje" . They also flew, in a different disguise , in " a bridge too far" .
Are we talking about the same Brewster Buffalo ?
The Finns were the only people who didn't think that it was a piece of sh*t !
Soviet aircraft were mostly disposable junk and pilots weren’t experienced.
Having met Illu Juutilainen several times in my youth I gurantee he would have punched you in the jaw for producing this outlandish BS about him.
Simo Hayha: 🍺🧐
wearing shorts in Finland?
You know nothing about the Finns. Never heard of the Finn who was out looking for mushrooms and had to take a dump. The next minute he was attacked by a bear.
- How did you fend him off, later asked a journalist.
- I crushed his skull with my basket.
- But this was out of hunting season, so how did fix that?
- Well, I ate the f***ing bear on the spot.
You know why Chuck Norris never travels to Finland?
Because the Finns live there ….
@@Soundbrigade how did u do it?
@@me55555able Dunno where you're from, but if out of Scandinavia you must know that Swedes and Norwegians have a delicate relationship, making fun of and teasing each other but there's a brotherly/sisterly love. I would say that when it comes to the Finns we have a different relationship based on both love (we tried to support them during their war with the commies) but also respect because they are and they have much what we Swedes lack - independence, stamina, pride and that thing they call SISU - the thing they show when winning whatever competition they are in and learning how they under-manned and under-armed fought back the rotten Russians is a good sign of that SISU.
And hadn't the Finns been able to fight Chuck, they had invited him to a drinking contest and when he'd lost, the Finns had fed him to the bears ...
@@Soundbrigade love the reply
If he pushed his stick forward he would have gone down and not up, (unless he was so good that he was flying backwards).
So the Unlikely Weapon was the Brewster Buffalo?
Question, I never saw the secret weapon, confused, Thank you
...you show T6`s, not real Fokkers...😀
i didn't see many polikarpov i-153s either but oh well, footage not available
Dived dove ..really
The Brewster Buffalo was an allied plane why was Finland using it?
Rat a tat tat
Why are we seeing every bloody ww2 aircraft in this video …
It’s a Fokker not a Foker.
Why are they showing a P-38 in a video that's supposed to be a fight between a Russian pilot and a Finish pilot 😂
noice.
The England and it’s allies were providing weapons to Russia to fight common enemy Germany not to use to invade an innocent Finland. The Allies should have warned Russia provided equipment and weapons were to be only used for offence against Germany.
Tip: Do not mess with the Finns.
The complete mash-up or random aircraft in scenes is rather annoying, in what is otherwise a good video. Content good. Details not so much.
Flying Sisu
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Halve it.
Then divide by 3 and mayybe you got the real number.
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That Fokker was a ME 163 lolol come on Dark we all know you can do better than this
The story you tell is great.
But the video material you use is abominable...
Even Dutch T-8 Texans trying to look like Fokker D.XXI aircraft!
Also Dutch Buffaloes and Glenn Martin bombers over Malaya and the Dutch East Indies.
And a Me-163 rocket plane...
So go make your own video. Oh ya, you just type smack huh?🤣
@@TUCOtheratt Not a very intelligent answer, to put it mildly...
@@Franky46Boy Was I giving you an answer? No. I pointing out from the perspective of a person that has posted over 300 videos and have 750 THOUSAND subs that when you offer criticism on video production quality to people like me or Dark Docs with over a MILLION subs and here you are with ...6... 6... subs and 6 no talent videos🤣...sorry, lost my train of thought. Anyway you are a joke man.
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Russia's talent for acquiring massive losses was much the same then as it is today.
As if you know about then and today. 😂
yes your finnish pilot kills dozens with a paper folded aircraft, isn't it?
Hiii
Once I saw spitfires and ME 262's ,8:03-8:09 I stopped watching !!
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Except skill
Fighting the Soviets was , I guess like fighting dumb rocks . There was just to many of them .
That's the Russian strategy - use the numbers, not the brains.
They were supported by usa and britain.
@@juhopuhakka2351The winter war ended in 1940. Lend lease didn’t begin for Russia until December 1941.
@@tedwarden1608 Yes and war ended 1944 for us beacuse of that massive aid from the good guys.
A good story totally ruined by spurious footage of spitfires Me 163 Me 262 zero's and lord knows what else .......crap DO BETTER
Good accuracy maintains precision with mathematically precision engineering deadly in the hands of a ninjas 😉 🫶🥷