The Kaingaroa Rock Carvings - A Little Known Secret - Ancient New Zealand
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- The Kaingaroa Rock Carvings are on the walls of a hidden rock shelter in the Kaingaroa Forest. The trail leading to the rock carvings is unmarked and known only to a few, mostly locals.
The Kaingaroa Forest is on the Kaingaroa Plains between Rotorua and Murupara.
The artist(s) that carved the walls are unknown. When the site was discovered by the NZ State Forest Service in 1925, the Ngati Manawa people living in the area knew nothing of the rock shelter. They had been there for 12 generations, so it is possible that an earlier people carved them. Ngati Manawa had defeated Te Marangaranga, the previous inhabitants of the area, whom perhaps made the rock carvings, but there is no way to be sure it was them.
Some speculate that these rock carvings are evidence of New Zealand inhabitants that pre-date Maori. You can learn more about these theories by watching the following multipart documentaries on TH-cam:
* New Zealand Skeletons in the Cupboard by Gabi Plumm
* The Mystery of the Kaimanawa Wall by Turehu NZ
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The circle of life motif is represented in many cultures. But the closest I’ve seen to those on one waka is on the Newgrange Celtic burial site in Ireland, which is 5000 years old. This archeological site warrants an international study. We shouldn’t ignore or hide from our history because of political expediency or cultural fears.
Literally talks about everything in the bible
The closet ones Ive seen are the ones on every single carvings made by the natives here in New Zealand. It is very strange how people look to the other side of the world when they are already here all over this country.
@@jeremybowden3134
“Natives here in New Zealand” a phrase that nobody in NZ would say.
@@winstonsmithsoul I live in New Zealand lol
@@winstonsmithsoul sounds pretty racist sounds pretty colonial
Interesting, I studied Celtic and Nordic carving and this resembles a lot the swirl or spiral carving of the Vikings, they also drew faces with the tongue extended, very much like the Maori, but thousands of years earlier
there is no connection. there is no evidence of europeans in new zealand until 1642.
Interesting I practice Whakairo Rakau, and this is most definitely te toi maori, I can explain every detail on these waka , the art has evolved but the patterns and their meaning remain pono me te tika. These carvings tell stories, if you know how to read them
There is do much evidence that points to the Celtics being here pre Maori arrival.
Yes I believe the tiki is likely based on the Egyptian god Seti. This would work given Maui is known to be an Egyptian explorer who sailed across the Pacific over 2000yrs ago. So no doubt well known in spoken handed down history across many countries.
Thats what it is. Viking!!
Really interesting, thank you for posting this. there are many mysteries to New Zealand's history yet to unfold I believe, if we keep an open mind and heart.
Government and Iwi won’t let those mysteries be unfolded because then they can’t claim to be indigenous and they’d have to rewrite NZ’s fairytale history.
Just out here posting anything, aren't we? 😂 @giltee626
Could be aztec style. I was just in auckland museum a week ago and in the Maori section they have a clearly south american type birdman carving. Seen exactly the same in Peru. We have such a wonderful rich history just waiting to be let out of the bag. We are all part of our history no matter where we are from, but lets not forget the persona in NZ pre-maori too. Plenty of iwi around the country acknowledge the many races that filled NZ on arrival.. we re only here a short while, the land will be here forever.
Really good comment!!
The little purple potatoes and kumara came from peru,even the method of cooking (hangi)came from peru
Pacific and South American cultures mingled together in Rapa Nui (Easter Island) and there are clear connections beneath Easter Island and Maori culture and language.
Yes it’s a pity we will never know the whole past.
@@martinharris5017 there is clear connection in Tuvalu. Some Tuvalu people believe Maori were banished from Tuvalu long long ago. Yes I have been to Tuvalu. The language is VERY similar - more so than anywhere else on the planet. I dont believe Maori were at Easter Island though. Perhaps the Peruvians that came prior to Maori may have set foot on Easter island.
I find it totally strange and weird that this place is hidden away. No signs no car parks no knowledge of it spread around NZ. The Maoris are very proud of their achievements yet this is hidden, almost not even acknowledged. I wonder why this isn't a well known tourist site,
It's the same for Pictish sites in Scotland. What they're trying to hide is the fact the Jews were Celts, who we know as the Phoenicians, and their Metonic Solar Lunar Calendar of the Phoenix is found all over the world, and it's not only based on astrology, but incorporates our understanding of time (24hr clock) but our understanding of metrics like Miles and Kilometers. It's also what the Bible and the Antikythera mechanism are all about
I've been here a number of times with members of ngati manawa. My impression was that the carvings did not look like Maori artwork at all, although I've heard ancient Maori artwork is significantly different to the modern artwork we are familiar with. Interestingly, the Maori guides tell of red haired people being the tangata whenua of the area, as per oral tradition. The site is on the western side of the state highway, there is a gravel pullover and the trail head is fairly easy to spot.carvings are approx 5 min walk in from the road. Permission is needed.
it looks a lot like maori artwork, designs and maori waka. what are you smoking.
@@eeeaten not in my opinion, stylistically different.something Maori artwork was likely influenced by / begun as.
@@scottgraham1469 in your opinion huh
@@scottgraham1469 are you a carver?
Looks EXACTLY like the traditional Maori Waka and koru (spiral) patterns are used on literally every single maori carving... 😳
Ancient celts Castle Hill ley lines and rock formations line up directly with ancient celt leylines and rock formations in Scotland and they have the same spiral carvings. Awesome
No, that is fantasy nonsense
@@eeeaten ignorance 🤨
@@glaceeleventeen967 yes. it's ignorant to believe these fantasies could be true.
@@eeeaten ignorant to learn that ancients celts had similar carvings etc? Get a grip
The maoris are scard there little bubble is gonna burst
Thanks John, I had never heard of these carvings. They look amazing, will check them out when Im up north next. Have a great Christmas.
Thanks Mark. Hope you can locate it when you’re in the area 😀
@@john_mills_nz can you give more details about the location, I live just down the road and I want to see these, 10km west of Murapara helps, but I dont know if it's enough to go on
Wow how magical and beautiful. Hi i stumbled on your channel due to an interest in things like these rock carvings. You are so lucky to have them, and the place looks so clean and unspoiled which is fantastic. Will be watching more of the videos soon. Stay safe.
Beautiful ancient Koru patterns.
Those carvings pertain to the tribes that crossed the plains. Every tribe that has been in New Zealand carved their waka there. It is a very important waahitapu of which Ngati Manawa /Tuhoe are kaitiaki to. You wont find that in a book
Every tribe.... Lets not make up stuff up now
interesting, thanks for sharing.......
@@ijjones1509 Every friendly tribe, the point i think he was making, has been missed, that this is possibly a recording by locals of passing travelers. Of course not all are friendly some would be Hostile. And of course some tribe would not even have contact or need to cross those plains.
it does look kinda Maori with the spirals? could be early forms or art? or even ancient Polynesian pre Maori seafarers who have been sailing the pacific for thousands of years eventually settling here? but im not that smart hahaha
@@ijjones1509 I think you have mistaken on what he meant as tribes. Maori are the same as the Native Indians. We are a collection of different tribes. And the great chiefs from every tribe had their own waka (canoe). These include Tainui, Te Rarawa, Tokomaru, Takitimu, Aotea, Mataatua, Kurahaupo, Horouta and Ngatokimatawhaorua. Ko nga waka enei. I hoea mai rā ki te nuku o te whenua! Ki Hawaiki Pāmamao
This is amazing! Thank you for this great video...now curious to know more about this mysterious tribe
Glad you enjoyed it 😀
@Barloswki Jonathan says Kaimanawa wall is interest also Celtic nz
REPLY: Bullshit. Nothing but Nazi conspiracy theory pushed by Martin Doutre Big foot Hunter and Noel Hilliam. Neither of these idiots have any academic background. Hilliam was caught fudging archaeological findings claiming he found a 3000 year old Celtic Skull in a Maori burial cave. LOL www.vice.com/en_nz/article/kb4yjw/a-group-of-far-right-grave-robbers-could-be-digging-up-sacred-maori-sites
@@ngatibroffessor1840 Hmm the same "Bullshit" claim could be made about the link you posted! Vice lol (yup that's a cutting edge publication if ever one was forcibly rammed down the collective throats of the lame and gullible.) You might as well start quoting from the tv news. Look I realize you're an indoctrinated twat but trust me, it is the hight of ignorance rejecting something you obviously know nothing about.
Go on you old fart tell us all about how you've never set one foot on any of these sites let alone studied them with an unbiased view.
Nothing worse than someone regurgitating the "mainstream" dogma.
There is No place for dogma in REAL science.
Clovis first supporter are you lol. No giants either? I suppose the Sphinx was built by the Egyptians Bahahaha
@@nickacelvn also have to question why there are govt embargoes on over 50 items that indicate pre Maori settlement, also skeletons that pre date maori with blonde or red hair are never genetically tested and systematically disposed of. All those sea faring nations that have been everywhere yet no one came to nz pre maori? yea right. nz history has been re written, any one who has studied it properly knows this. Social engineering at work in NZ
@@ngatibroffessor1840 stay off the p ae
We used to go here as kids every now and then - the barrier fence hadn't been put up then, and there was no clear track to get to it - and we liked it that way, it made sure no one could go there and ruin with litter or graffiti, etc. Now there's path that takes you right there? Please be respectful of these spaces, they may mean nothing to you other than places to visit and take photos of, but they are a part of who we are. There are reasons why these spaces weren't publicly known.
Well said. Many accounts of many remains destroyed, sites destroyed/vandalised.
Very intriguing! Please no music or not as loud it competes with your messege! Thank you for taking the time to make this.
A very beautiful and interesting country! Great video and thanks for sharing;
Thanks for sharing.
You’re welcome
If you're interested have a look at these situations in New Zealand. Some say officially hidden from further investigation as we are only supposed to be 700 years old when Maori arrived. You will find it interesting.
• Split Apple Rock ,
• Nelson Raglan Rock Carvings
• North Canterbury Cave Paintings
• The Patupairahe / Terehu Mori Ori
• The Kaimanawa wall
• Celtic Village Waipau Forest Celtic New Zealand
• Ancient Tree stump Auckland
• This Horrid practice. Prof Paul Moon
• The Elizabith Affair Māori Tattooed heads Enjoy
• Guards of the Sea. John Guard (Jackie)
• 65 Sailors EATEN By Cannibals | The Boyd Massacre - TH-cam
• 1471 Chinese fleet
The Portuguese Bell
Murihau (Big Foot NZ)
fantasy nonsense
@@eeeatenIn your limited opinion,the arrogance of it...
@@Wilt8v92 incoherent. do you have a point to make?
@@eeeaten Oh really edgey eh Sonny...jog on..
@@Wilt8v92 you don't have a point to make?
Next time you are in Taranaki I could take to the Kohi wall carvings, thats if you havent seen them before. Anyway it should be documented better than it has been. thanks for the video
Where are they
@Aaron Hughes There is a photo of one of them in the Patea Museum on the wall.
@@BadnfluenceNZ They are on private land. I have been there. Enquire at the Patea Museum.
Awesome video bro
Great content
Obviously they're Māori... Māori waka, Māori artistic devices...
Awesome John, there are many rock drawings and carvings in South Canterbury near Timaru too and they only have slight resemblence to what you would regard as 'maori' art and look like stylised representations of bird people, sort of manaia but stretched out sideways and other strange figures, the history of the maori people is far older than the official narrative in my opinion, all the mythologies from across New Zealand talk about there having been people here when the 'first' migrations came, there must be something in it especially when I have heard the same type of stories and legends from so many different people from different iwi across the country and also heard detailed accounts in the origin tales of some tribes that say they came from places like Egypt and India, South America etc. By the number of generations back stated would mean that their people came to New Zealand much further back than only 7-800 years ago and more like over two thousand years ago.
some tribes that say they came from places like Egypt and India, South America etc. ?
REPLY: Go ahead and provide the citations from tribal traditions that confirm your bogus claim.
The oldest human remains found in the South Island are from the Wairau Bar are Polynesian in origins.
there are many rock drawings and carvings in South Canterbury near Timaru too and they only have slight resemblence to what you would regard as 'maori' art
REPLY: You clearly have NO idea how ART AND CULTURES DEVELOP. The earlier Polynesians became the Maori we all know other a period of 100s of years you dimwit.
Francis says the history of the maori people is far older than the official narrative in my opinion,
REPLY: The science says NO human occupation in NZ beyond 1000 years according to the scientists at NZ Land Care research. You opinion is horse shit. www.landcareresearch.co.nz/science/plants-animals-fungi/ecosystems/prehistoric-settlement/human-arrival
Francis says I have heard the same type of stories and legends from so many different people from different iwi across the country
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REPLY: Citations required. Dont send me skeletons in the closet conspiracy racist bullshit.
So interesting
Thank you.
I'm going there when I get home. Shot bro
John Mills - Thank you so much for your post. That spiral can be found in Ireland, New Zealand and many places where survivors of the various Atlantis' now reside. The spiral meant a 'return home'. Hawaiki was one Atlantis (land that sank beneath the seas) and Ireland is at the tip of an Atlantis' in the Atlantic Ocean.
wacky
The Vikings did it they were here in New Zealand 🇳🇿 1st
@@davidanderson865 nah mate there not master navigators like the maori people.
The first form of the Bible was written in 325BC, 80 years before the Antikythera mechanism, and was called the _Vaticanus Graecus;_ Son of the Divine Serpent, a reference to Fomalhaut in Aquarius, the sign associated with John the Baptist, who was a Setian, the root word of Satan. Just as israel is the Phoenician word for Saturn, or El, Fruit of Isis and Ra. In the Second Century AD Astrologer Vettori Valentinus used the _Vaticanus Graecus_ to construct a lunar zodiac of 13 months, this correlates to the 18.6/ 19 year Metonic Calendar, found in the earliest known ancient temples, the Bible, Antikythera mechanism, New Grange and the Bru na Boinne, the Chaldeans, Egyptians, Assyrians, Celts, Phoenicians, and inscribed into the Golden Enoch Horns of the Magi, the Galatian (Celtics of Galicia in iberia) Eunuch Druid Priests of Cybel, or Kythera, the "Great Mother", (who has 216 names) found in Germany and France. A Druid took 19 years to train, and the Phoenix was associated with 19 flames. These number sets and astrological associations are the same for Megalithic sites found all over the world, from Egypt to the Baltic, India, Ireland, America, and the Pacific, there is only one culture that could have accomplished such a feat, and like the celts it was obliterated from history in 146BC when Carthage was sacked _"not one stone upon the other"_ to the fall of Tyre in 70AD, after a 13 yr seige. Sound familiar? 146 plus 70 is 216.
One Megalithic hour is 240 minutes, or 14,400 seconds (1/4)
There are 6 Megalithic hours to the day, each made up of 6 minutes, each of which is 6 seconds long. If the Megalithic hour was divided into 60 minutes, each would be 1,440 of our seconds, times 100 is 144,000.
One Megalithic second is 400 of our modern seconds, divided by 60 (to get minutes) is 6.6666666....
360 ÷ 6.66 is 54
54 x 2 is 108
108 x 2 is 216
To effect this the hands on a clock count out 10 (units of 6) x 10 (units of 6) × 4 (=400 units of 6). Therefore the relationship of the Megalithic second to our current form is mathematically proportional to the ratio between the Sun and Moon. A Megalithic second is 6.66 minutes (400 seconds). A Megalithic Minute is 40 minutes, or 2,400 seconds. 6 x 6 x 6 x 400 = 86,400, the number of seconds in a day. This would mean a clock with 216 seconds would go around 40 times in a day (2160 x 400).
This means 1 Megalithic second is 6.66 of our modern minutes, meaning their metric system is based on the Full Moon, of which 360 fit into to the night sky, and 720 will encircle the globe, divided by half gives us the 360 degree circle, and the basis for our present hexadecimal system of time. Which is why 1 degree of Arc on the Moon = 100 Megalithic Yards (2700ft). This means the Beast, the hidden hand of the Masonic fraternity, is the Moon; and Time. The white limestone covering of the Pyramids denotes the Pale Moon in Megalithic Ireland, like at New Grange, where Enoch describes a Crystal Palace illuminated by the Full Moon every 19 years.
The Byblos Baal, or Book of Baal is the Phoenician Almanac, a coded book of Astrological cycles used by the Priest Class of Egypt; the Phoenicians, to navigate the oceans. Phoenicians, Celts, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Egyptians and Jews all started the new day at Dusk, and celebrated their New Year in September, the 7th month, the Sunsign of Ophiuchus, the Serpent Bearer, associated with the healing Gods, and marked by the first New Moon in the 7th month after the start of the Zodiac in Easter, when Ophiuchus is the East Star at dawn. In September the East star at Dusk is Helel in Orion, (Helel means Shining One, associated with Lucifer) aka Osiris, aka Set, Lord of the Dead. Hence the Aleph, and the Zayim, Alpha and Omega. It's also the Birthday of Jesus, and when he said he would return, at the end of the Age during Rosh Hashanah. It's reversed to keep the code secret, and written in metaphor so no one could know what was contained therein.
The Essenes studied the Mysteries of Pythagoras. His name means Heart (Bel) of the Serpent. The star Alphard is at the heart of Hydra, and is known as the Vermillion Phoenix in China. The cycle of the Phoenix encodes the astrological calendar by which they removed 3 days every 630 years. This was expressed in a Pythagorean Triangle of Dimensions
216 by 630 by 666. This star appeared on the Eastern Horizon on the Winter Soltice..
6 x 6 x 6 is 216, there are 2160 years in an astrological age, and the Moon is 2160 miles in diameter, the solar metonic calendar using 60 6 day weeks produces 1 extra day every 216 years. There are also 216 Megalithic seconds in a day, and 216 letters in the name of the Hebrew God, Just as Solomon has 36 or 72 scrolls, and Muhammed speaks of 72 sects.
The Dionysian Masonic Architects of Solomon's Temple also used hexadactyl poetry, perhaps expressing the 12 mathematical constants also found within the Great Pyramid, themselves, and memorized as allegories. Dionysus worship arose at the same time as Arkenaten's cult of Atum. Arkenaten was born Amunhotep IV, his father's name translates to Hermes Trismegistus, or Amunhotep III, as Amunhotep means "Happy is the Moon" a reference to the New Moon. Enoch and Hermes Trismegistus are the same character, placing his Emerald Tablets/ Scrolls in the Ark of Amun, and burying them under Pillars of Emerald and Gold, the only Temple that matches this is the Temple of Melqart in Tyre, which means Rock, and sat just offshore from Urshu Shalom, City of Peace, or City of the New Moon, root of the name Jerusalem. Methuselah lives 969 years; the number of days between Black Moons.
These Magi were known as the Horoscopoi, Watchers of the Hour, Hour being related to Horus, the Son of the Dragon, or Dawn/Dusk. A rising star is Masculine, and a setting one feminine, Atum, and Evening, being androgynous at the Zenith, and responsible for what happens on Earth at the time. So the Sun and Moon and their Metonic Calendar bring Order out of Chaos, the Ancients also saw stars as eyes, hence Ezekiel's vision is a representation of the Zodiac, or Mazzaroth in Hebrew, and the strange descriptions of Angels... Daemons being the stars of winter, or the Underworld ie; Invernos. In fact the Sun and Moon were seen as the Left and Right Eyes of Horus.
Hebrew and Iber as in Iberia also have the same root, meaning over, as in over seas. Anglo comes from Ankh, meaning Angle, or to bend, perhaps denoting around the corner, as Plato describes Atlantis being beyond the Pillars of Hercules, being the same Pillars of Solomon, or Melqart, the Gates of Gibralter, or Gabriel's Alter, due West from Tyre, the direction of the rising New Moon. The Christian Cross derives from the Cross of Baal, the Phoenician Sun God, their Almanac, and secret to navigating by the stars was preserved in the Byblos Baal, the book we now call the Bible. All mythology is based on the transit of stars through the seasons, and even today in India and New Zealand, at opposite ends of the earth, they celebrate the Summer and Winter Soltices based on the appearance of Pleaides, seen as a bird, sitting at 33 degrees of the Zodiac. The famous Hummingbird of Nasca is a representation of Pleaides, used by navigators to find land in the Pacific, also the Phoenician Princess Europa rode the Bull of Taurus just as Pleaides, Paris too is derived from Par Bull and Isii isis, being founded by Celts around 500BC.
Pleaides sits at 33 degrees on the Zodiac, Ophiuchus is at 216 degrees
So the Arc of the Covenant, the Garden of Eden, Troy, are metaphors for the Square of Pegasus, Typhon, aka Ladon, aka Tphens or Jorgumandr, are Gaia, or Hydra, the 100 headed, which takes up 100 degrees of the Zodiac. Hence the Son of the Dragon Adonis denotes both the first star at night, and Fomalhaut in Aquarius, shaped like an eye, the Sign of John the Baptist, a Setian, the root word of Saturn, or Satan, appearing on the Eastern Horizon on the Summer Solstice, the Day of the Pharoah, Osiris' Crowley and Trump's birthday, which was on a Super Wolf Blood Moon.
The Pheonician God of Healing was Eschmun, his Egyptian Sarcophagus found in Sidon (means fish :the Phoenician Symbol for which is *X* hence Xmas) is inscribed with a short poem, the longest unbroken piece of Phoenician language we have, in which Eschmun, whose Temples were built over hot water springs, was known as the *_Scion of the Widow_* (Isis). His symbol is the Caduceus, the Serpent Staff of Asclepius, which can be found in the hands of Hercules, at 210 degrees. Around the staff is Cerberus, the 3 headed Serpent and guardian of the entry to the underworld. The same symbol you see on the side of medical vehicles; the Winged Serpent. Sidon is also where Jezebel daughter of Hiram and wife of Solomon came from, as well as Pythagoras.
This points a lot of fingers at Rameses II being King Ahaz, King of Tyre, Regent of israel, aka Solomon, who built the Temple of Melqart to mark his alliance with Hiram Abiff, King of Assyria, creating the Neo Assyrian Empire in 911BC
@@uncannyvalley2350 ......off your meds again bro
I was born and raised up around that area and had no idea!
Very interesting. Thanks for posting. May I be so bold as to request that the volume levels of voice and music be at the same level , or a little lower on the music. Thanks
ngati hotu for sure
Looks like Mori Ori in origin if you look at the old photos of the south island Mori Ori marae carvings , the spiral designs look very similar 🤔
what south island moriori carvings?
I been there it.seems awesome.
The boats shapes look somewhat like ancient Mediterranean vessels, but then there would be a sail! Very intriguing.
naw it looks like alien spaceships. definitely from uranus.
Yeah looks to be Minoan
Look Polynesian to me...
@@mista2621 iLOL NZ was discovered by Polynesians...all evidence supports this dumbfuck...
Wow! I think at least some of those are Ngati Hotu Raupo/ Totora Reed ships like are still made in Titicaca and Egypt.
Thor Heyerdahl was given models on Rapanui of Two and Three masted versions that had stone Moai at both ends facing each other.
It actually looks like a Chronology or catalog of different ancient Waka from different countries in different periods. Perhaps it is a Waitaha record? Have you contacted them?
This might have been made around the time of the resettling of Waitangi ki Raro after the Taupo eruption around 400AD
tons of you skeletons in the closet racists ay...Anyone wanna know what cultural appropriation looks like? enter the patupaiarehe and tureha moriori ngati hotu and celtic bs artists. shame on you pokohohua. bet it burns you deep inside ur aholes to discover WE ARE HISTORY'S GREATEST NAVIGATOR'S!
fabricating a race of whiteys hailing from ze mutherland! among a civilization of brown skinned mffkrs...plot twist: Jesus aint white
the sssshhhhhaaaaammmmmmeeeee
@@heminuiraho879 Amusing. Three Catamaran and one outrigger Waka get sent down here in 1350 cause after 100 years since being kicked out of Tahiti, Everyone was about to starve in the Cooks because these "Warriors" were only interested in eating and Screwing.
"Appropriate" all the villages, culture, people living here, and drive 99% of the other Iwis we share the womb of Papatuanuku with to extinction, within 200 years, and you call us Tangata Whenua "racist".
I happen to be recognised as the chosen Kaitiaki of Te Aroha, Queen of this Land, Atua of the Earth Winds and Sea.
A two thousand year old Kauri twice as tall and higher ranked than Tane Mahuta.
Not that I expect you to have any respect. Burning down 6000 year old Kauri's like Song of The Winds, with our Villages in the tops, laughing as we try to jump clear of the flames. Poking out the eyes of our Kaumatua to make them be nighttime Kumara pit Guards, and having 30+ kids with each one of the hundred breeding slaves each "Maori Warrior " would claim of our Women.
That's "Maori" culture.
While the men were called "dogs" or "rats" and fattened on the Kumara they were made to grow as slaves. Before being tied to trees and Eaten a piece at a time. With tourniquets to keep them alive.
Yep. Reckon EVERYONE really wants to appropriate such "Maori Culture".
You insult your Tupuna. There may be a fraction of one of your toes that decends from those "Maori" of the Heke (invasion in case your Te Reo is as bad as your knowledge of your own history.)
But at least 999 parts of 1000 of your genetics is Pre-Maori.
Same goes for those calling "Celtic Culture" Celtic btw.
The story of Hotu Moana,
Last Ariki of the Turehu.
Educate Yourself on our histories:
nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Pom02Lege-t1-body-d3-d10.html
Hemi NuiRaho.
So what Wakas do you claim to come from? Even Bests compilation for the polynesian society scientific records lists over 200.
Sad you gave such a short sighted ignorance. Some thousand+ advanced human Civilisations have traversed this planet in the last few million years.
Before being knocked back to handfuls of survivors so many times.
Many times have North America and Europe been repopulated from this land, Waitangi Ki Raro, Aoteoroa, Nu Tirani as written in the Treaty described by Gov Grey in his Letter to Queen Victoria, as " A pact between the two invading nations that we must Urgently form!".
Three times global floods have destroyed all our Kauri forestd in 12700year repeat events in the last 40000. And wiped almost all life from the Americas and Euro-Africa.
Due again now.
Those events left nothing alive in western Europe or North America.
So why do you think ancient Briton, North Africa, and Canary Island and central American Languages are Te Reo?
Why do you think the Romans called the Tureha e Dana the "Picts" for the moko they wore on their Green eyed red haired "urekehu" faces and bodies.
Just like the Turehu e Papa.
Why do you think the chin Moko is still worn in Iran and Eqypt?
Why do you think the Mihi welcoming visitors on to a Marae invokes the dwarf egyption God Bes, protector of women and children. He's the Tiki you know. And the pukana.
I sense no connection between your soul and this land. Surely you must be Tangata Tiriti, rather than Tangata Whenua.
The pact of force to carve up the body of Papatuanuku for selfish greed, Ego and decadence.
Go find someone else to direct your hurt and demands of entitlement to.
You allow yourself to be programmed to blame and hate. It's divide and conquer, the oldest of colonial games.
Don't let yourself be played.
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@@aaronfranklin324 you talk so much shiet then you quoting that racist, kaka history.. best?now i know you just wasting my time. you should slap ur momma and tell her u gonna be a good crackhead.
@@heminuiraho879 why would I copy you?
Eldon Best was a legitimate researcher in the early 1800s.
It is sad that the English politics led to the bookburning of our history in the 1960s and 1970s.
Why do you promote it?
They fear that the Scots will leave Britain, with their North sea oil, if they realise that their ancestral homeland was crushed by the Roman English in cahoots with the Mongolian Moddee.
That's why they banned the speaking of the Scots, Irish and Welsh tongues on pain of death for a century.
And caned any children that spoke Te Reo in school here.
As I said before. You spit on the graves and Msna of your Tupuna with your promotion of British empire propaganda.🥱
Aquant yourself with the real history. It got taken from the libraries, but is now back up on the university websites.
Sir Maui Pomare's writings for example, like the record of Hotu Moanas story.
There's all his public literature there.
Follow the links.
You are playing the game of the colonials. Against yourself and your whanau.
This looks almost identical to the Waka carving in the Jonathan Cave of the Wemyss Cave System in Scotland .
There are maori carvings in Scotland?
@@Infyra look at Pict and Celtic carving styles both have a striking similarity to Maori designs , yet nothing like anything found in the Pacific Islands , The Picts also had their own War Dance / Haka as well .
I really like the video and would love to see more about Maori past.
Good fınd John. Not an easy task to cave them out of that rock. Stunning place
Ive been there,hard track to find
Thanks for that... old and mysterious ... it looks like a mix of races, hence the various markings... interesting only one face. No-one rowing and no oars, or sails.
Many races? Bullshit. All evidence points to Polynesian discovery of New Zealand.
@Gavin Hurring Bullshit - Not supported by any actual evidence including genetic and achaeology unless you can validate that claim with a source or citation.
@@taniarangi-thompson9646 I find ignorant people spread around many insults but very little wisdom. Clearly you have not read any history.
@@GreatWaterCircus LOL What fucking history are you talking about? All real evidence supports Polynesian discovery of this island and many others. GENETIC, Language, Archaeology all support Maori discovery...all you have is racist conspiracy theory...Go ahead and post your sources...dont waste my time posting Plummtree unsupported racist bullshit. www.vice.com/en_nz/article/kb4yjw/a-group-of-far-right-grave-robbers-could-be-digging-up-sacred-maori-sites
@@ngatibroffessor1840 who is the racist? Maybe you need to have a look at your self
whilst many people say otherwise those waka look very maori and the design is perhaps a long since used/lost one. it is very easy for one generation to make this then maybe die and not pass on the knowledge of this site. that would be a much more reasonable answer than celts who lived on the other side of the world or aztecs who barely possessed freshwater ship building let alone ocean navigating ships. though i guess most here don't care about that truth rather are just here to entertain fantasy otherwise, good video , good documentation 👍
Or just a bunch of tamariki out one day with their peers ir by themselves. It started to rain so they took shelter here. While waiting out the rain the tamariki(thats the word for children for those who don't know) decided to do some art. This could be as simple as that. Same could be said for many of the drawings all over the world. Really, nobody has a clue, your welcome
Has this site been dated officially? I would like to know how hard the stone is , and what type of tools were available to carve the deep borders of the canoes.
Peace to your beautiful culture and ancestors !!!
These carvings were not from the invading Maori, they belonged to a much older Celtic tribe.
@@ChurchInAshes 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@chairmybowl835 the maori were not stone carvers.
@@ChurchInAshes because you know everything?
@@chairmybowl835 Are you suggesting you do? If you don't then they may be correct. If you can't prove either way then just shut up. Also he is correct Maori were not stone carvers in the traditional sense though some South Island tribes did engage in the carving of greenstone though this was the exception to the rule.. If you can prove Maori were prolific stone carvers show us you're evidence. If you have none which it seems you don't stop talking out you're arse like someone who knows.
Respect indigenous ways of life. Do not destroy their sacred sites. Do not spread publicly information about sacred sites to prevent terrorism and respect indigenous privacy. Good job in this video doing just that!!
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So mysterious! Looks older than the Maori carvings
Lol no
Wondrous...
Could they be from the Ngati Hotu?
It looks viking I see koru pattern in there too kia ora lovely to see bro thanks.
Viking only discovered Greenland 1000 years ago. Polynesians were climbing cocnut trees in Fiji Tonga and Samoa 3500 years ago. The claim Vikings or the Celts beat Polynesians to NZ is utter horse shit. thespinoff.co.nz/society/22-05-2017/the-white-tangata-whenua-and-other-bullshit-from-the-one-new-zealand-crew/
you are beautiful btw :)
@Philip Thomas yes world wide,but it is most definitely not Vikings or Celts,there were many earlier Races of humans on the Earth,now gone,but not entirely,as they were absorbed into modern Humans,I seen facial reconstruction done on a Neanderthal skull,supposedly extinct..but I have seen the reconstructed face many times amongst modern Europeans
@Flatrat LOL Fuck off you alt-right goon - Polynesians discovery is supported by archaeology linguists and genetics. You are the one that has no evidence dipshit LOL
@@tikapaatkins3233 No evidence exists in NZ of a pre-Maori civilization. All evidence supports Polynesian discovery in the case of NZ.
People from all over the world where here integrating with the natives here in the ancient times during the 2000 year peace
no. there is no evidence of people in new zealand prior to the arrival of maori from around 1250AD.
seen one flaoting above a paddock in the country in new Zealand it was staying staionary in 2007 before we had good phone cameras and technology it looked the same as that disk shape but had a bright purple circle feild around it only the circle force feild thing around it was purple and was pretty low to the ground no noise and this was before drones where around even tho it looked nothing like a drone
Appreciate video! Music way too loud. Have to turn it down then turn it up when you speak
mean! considering similarities in cultures not including Polynesia, Taino natives of South Americas. everything about them from tokotoko/talking stick, earth ovens with river stones, and spiral wood/stone carvings (which explains the crocodile and snake rock carvings, the only crocodiles found in South Americas is the Caribbean the ancient lands of the Taino people). this talk bout us migrating from Asia? we ain't known to eat with chopsticks... lol
Asians are small compared to us Polynesians.
Im convinced that that spiral design is the work of Rauru 😁
Okay humans, so the spiral represents a path. A path in which is a pattern. A pattern in which our kuia’s acknowledged as a journey. A journey in which our nations voyaged many many years ago,
it is not unusual these designs - they’re just not recognised by the modern human. But as a matakite kerehona I say we are still here. So In order for you to understand us & our origins you need to Find the spirals that connect the lifeforces , so you can connect the patterns in which our ancestors journeyed. We left the spirals on the many caves , rocks , mountains & valleys etc, We embedded our maps within the heavens of the skies , seas & stars.
We understood all of the heavens & universes creations..
The spiral of life.
The pattern of Iō.
The pattern of he tangata.
The pattern of Hopi.
The pattern of maasaw.
The pattern of te moana-nui-a-kiwa.
these designs and carvings are certainly maori. i'm not sure why you're referencing indigenous americans?
@@eeeaten because the same spirals are found in Chaco Canyon and Ireland ya mook
@@uncannyvalley2350 spirals are found everywhere. they don't mean those groups are connected.
They look like waka to me, probably a more accurate portrayal of what Kupe arrived in.
false they were NOT made by the Maori
@@ChurchInAshes They look EXACTLY like traditional Maori Waka aaand maori use the spiral on literally ALL their carvings 😳
@@jeremybowden3134 I thought Maori used a completely different style of spiral on their Waka. Can you provide any evidence of this type of style in historical Maori carving? where has it been seen elsewhere?
@@ChurchInAshes You and kidding right? Have you ever seen a maori carving? If you Google maori carvings you will only find thousands of pictures with spirals everywhere on every carving. The koru pattern is a just a spiral. Have you ever seen a Waka before? Did you see the face carved out with koru patterns on his face and his tongue poking out just like the maori pukana? If you can't put these simple things together then WTF 😳
@@jeremybowden3134 the koru is not a simple spiral, they are easily distinguishable and completely different. That would be an extreme insult to the Maori people so call a Celtic style spiral like the ones featured in this video a koru. Have you even visited the site?
WTF these people saying it looks like viking ships lmao those Waka/Canoes are 1000% Polynesian made from the Polynesian people. For those who don't know, Maori are Polynesians and we have traveled through the islands to the biggest one of them all.
And are only what maori agrees with the white man story ie. about the dates 800 odd years or the pathways to here coz where you get your info from? the great maori scholars that know all or granny talking shit probably heard a couple of things and just stuck with it, peps are talking about way before then before maori history to even begin with, where does the maori come from they aint a old culture even going by granny's squawk
We're talking thousands of years ago, the carbon on some of the bird bones and fish bones found in the forest near turned over charcoal and fire cracked rocks date back to 1600 and earlier... even to the years 1200 and 500AD
@@NZL_ can you point me to.where you found out about that, I'm an avid researcher who'd like to know more
@@uncannyvalley2350 CelticNZ is a website for open discussion on the true ancient history of new zealand. The site has no place for political and racial gathering. It is a very interesting website as there is a lot to read and rabbit holes to go down. CHECK OUT there publications and articles. Hope this helps.
What else is there hidden in the forest? Does anyone know the music, name of the soundtrack, title or composer?
Nothing... skeptics.nz/journal/issues/41/a-new-age-myth-the-kaimanawa-wall
Hi i enjoyed the vid , any chance of the road the track is on ?
oh yeah, carvings are exact depiction of maori waka....but can't be them! 🤷♂️🙄
They look exactly like traditional Waka. Also maori use the koru pattern (spiral) on ALL their carvings
The local iwi beg to differ
It's them who say it's not theirs
For a minute there I thought he was going to run into a couple of fellas carrying some wire netting and a sack of chicken shit
Ive been to all those places
From what i am seeing at 3:05 if you look at the boat with the almost tailbone look it resembles a Greek ship the (Trireme). also the spirals could symbol the oars in a rowing motion.i don't think there waves as other people said because of the wave symbols around the boats.Another thing i noticed was the symbols in the left. im not sure how old these are if there are also connected. in Greek the K means kappa (20) The A meaning Alpha (1) and the lower case lambda symbol (30) the next could be a P but i cant make it out. maybe some sort or date
Also to note that the Polynesian god Maui was said to be an Egyptian naval navigator who steered the Greek ships around these times. so ive read. just somethings i noticed that may not have anything to do with it but i thought id add what i know. (off course my opinion on info i have read)
Thanks for taking the time to put these carvings on video
Eboss NZ claims Polynesian god Maui was said to be an Egyptian naval navigator who steered the Greek ships around these times.
REPLY: Get your citations fuck wit not consisting of non-peer reviewed self published trash. LOL Zero evidence for Chinese, Arabs, Persians, Greeks discovering NZ before Polynesians. ZERO!
You claim Polynesian god Maui was said to be an Egyptian naval navigator? LOL By who fuck wit? The same people that made Skeletons in the closet? This is self funded bullshit based on speculation conjecture and bad faith. ZERO actual evidence exists to support that bullshit. You're complicit in Alt-right conspiracy theory pushing. Push that shit you're dealing with me. citations thanks :)
Oh look I see 1970 also scratched into the fucking rock....I think Hippies discovered NZ. You're a fucking moron LOL
Evidence: skeptics.nz/journal/issues/41/a-new-age-myth-the-kaimanawa-wall
Read the facts about the location dumb fuck...Your Martin doutre bullshit is being challenged...get your citations and research!
get your citations fuck wit. I'm challenging your claim. www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018658273/seven-foot-tall-pre-maori-disappear-from-tvnz
I know these carvings are contentious to some Maori who believe they are tangata whenua. I've always thought it highly unlikely that this lush little country was uninhabited pre 1300 AD. Another question: why did govt. promise local iwi there would be no deeper investigation here for 50 years? Political correctness?
Sonar cameras detected a flat bed of rock below this wall that experts said was probably man made it was so straight and square.
Intriguing eh?
science shows new zealand was uninhabited until the polynesian ancestors of maori began arriving from around 1250AD. the images carved here look maori. no experts have said any part of this is a man made structure. the carvings are obviously man made, most likely by maori.
@@eeeaten Then why Maori reluctance to investigate further?
@@777nydia1 what kind of investigation do you think is required? the evidence shows these carvings were done after maori arrival in nz, there were no other people, the identity of the artist(s) is lost to time.
@@eeeaten my point is that the investigation was stopped by Maori. Scientists wanted to continue but were stopped by a govt. order. If you research this you'll see what I mean. Of course there are many other indications that Aotearoa was inhabited earlier but this is a sensitive issue and there is no political will to proceed. But I'm curious and I love the Truth 😁
@@777nydia1 yes you said the investigation was stopped, then i asked you what kind of investigation do you think is required?
there are no other indications the country was inhabited by people. what "indications" do you mean? ALL the evidence shows nothing before 1250AD, then a ton of it after 1300AD. if you love the truth you'll be interested in reading that evidence (eg walter's 2017 Mass Migration and the Polynesian Settlement of New Zealand) rather than watching amateur videos from kooks, racists and children's book authors about giants and fairies, no?
Took a long time to get to the carvings and then it was over .
The face at 3:10 has his tongue stuck out...
and the boats look like Phoenician or Nordic/Viking.
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Man fuck yous always trying to connect a chain to a rope. So you can rob and assimilate
Looks Maori to me, some previous tribe surely.
yeah...you have to watch out for Nazi cospiracy theory...It seems a lot of ignorant Kiwis are keen to buy into this narrative. thespinoff.co.nz/society/22-05-2017/the-white-tangata-whenua-and-other-bullshit-from-the-one-new-zealand-crew/
Yep, agree. Best explanation: Not all tangata whenua/Maori were good at drawing or carving.
@@InterestingFingz or the Maori may have been taught how to build such boats/canoes by the occupants pre Maori
@@mauricemcinroe8015 🤣🤣😅👎
What's the sign just behind the fence say, John?
It’s in poor condition, but gives some commentary on the site and includes a photo of Dr Peter Buck and other men working on the excavation - photo dated 1926.
WOW, such a pity that it hasn't been investigated more. I'm definitely going to research Dr Peter Buck - looks like an interesting guy, well educated and knowledgeable. Thanks for posting this video - it's such interesting stuff.@@john_mills_nz
Looking at the waka on the rock suggests to me that no matter where it came from it wasn't that far away no sail no double hull and old mate at the end looks like he was the poster child for the troll movie
Can you get rid of that stupid noise
or music in the back-ground?
It's VERY distracting, VERY, VERY DISTRACTING.
That noise is not needed, GET RID OF IT.
Let us hear what the speaker is saying without
that STUPID noise in the back-ground.
You have a good speaker, speaking on a good topic.
Please Just leave it plain and quiet in the back-ground.
NO NOISE OF ANY KIND. PLEASE, PLEASE, Thank You.
It's called volume control, try using it.
Yep, those are Maori Waka alright.
And a Maori face lol.
Edit: seriously though, how could anyone pretend these aren't Maori carvings, they're literally some of the most distinctively Maori carvings in the world.
yep, Maori had Spiral tattoos On their faces as well.
@@user-fi4st7ni8r and the shape of the boats are identical to the old waka we have in museums
It's the local iwi who says thus
Derp
@@samos343guiltyspark and those found in petroglyph in Norway, Assyria, and Michigan
Engaging, and pretty. I'm going to have to go there
Interesting though.
The spiral is one of the most common patterns used by many cultures all over the world. Also who says it isn't a simplified version of a different pattern. There are curved and circular patterns in Maori are. Why look on the other side of the world to identify them? The only reason I can think of is if you are desperately trying to make a spurious link between the Maori and early Irish cultures. As for the design of the boats, they strongly resemble traditional Maori ones.
Yes, New Zealand was originally colonised by everyone except Polynesians arriving c. AD1300. Egyptians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Chinese, Celts - every Tom Dick and Harry except Polynesians. Amazing that none of them left behind any archaeological remains. Nothing. Zip. Void. But certain Pakeha just love the idea that Maori were not the original inhabitants. This horseshit will never die.
That's not just a "rock formation" guys.
no it's a rock formation with carvings on it
New Zealand: Look how old these carvings are!
Sacred Canyon: Hold my rock.
We'res that
@@predi1606 Flinders Ranges
Choice bro👍
@@theskyisblue8979 60.000yrs at least aboriginals been living there. Get your head around that. Mai Aotearoa
@@williewichman2156 ? Yes thats my point...
The people before Maori? 🇳🇿
There weren’t any
@@eeeaten Who says nobody here before Maori... Portuguese have been here.... the Chinese were here 350 years before Cook (read the book called 1421 by Menzies)... and I have an old book that mentions Egyptian skulls found in NZ caves👍🇳🇿
@@allgood6760 Lies
@@jeremybowden3134 The biggest lie are Maor in denial of the facts.. they are migrants to NZ like everyone else and there were others here before them.. Turehu, Waitaha... and even Sinbad the Sailor (aka Sinbad Gulley in Fiordland) 👍🇳🇿
@@allgood6760 you are cherry picking fairytales to fit your own agenda so your land doesn't eventually get removed off of you. I really like the Sinbad one as it did bring some entertainment to my night so I must thank you. Do you have any proof of these claims? 😁
Maori carvings,Celts never came here, there boats weren't made for the open seas more suited for coast to coast. Polynesian were open sea sailor's.
Of note about the spirals carved on the waka, Waitaha say, that there was a seafaring people that algamated with them in the past, (the red headed ones) They brought with them the Spiral. Perhaps this was a recording of locals, of these passing visitors, or visitors that landed.
fantasy nonsense. there is no evidence of people here before the polynesian ancestors of maori began arriving from around 1250AD. no middens, no remains, no artifacts, no structures, no introduced species. after 1300AD there's a ton of evidence. all polynesian.
@@eeeaten Hay, i am just saying what they have waitaha have said, if you disagree, take it up with them :)
@@MrThartofwar if they think that, i'm sure they realise it doesn't fit with the evidence.
@@eeeaten lol, idk, you will have to ask them, it is after all there history we are talking about.
@@MrThartofwar i don't need to ask them, because we have science showing us what the facts are
To have a relationship with the whenua or land yet not to seek to understand its mysteries is a diversion of our attention. Its not what we find that matters...but that we can seek frrely.
If Im not mistaken, there was a river or lake there once upon a time. Looks like canoes
How's about the Maori canoe carved in stone. Mean ay
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I hope the "AK 1970" carved into the wall isn't the artist's signature.
LIke. Music volume too high.
That wall looks megalithic
Educate yourself. skeptics.nz/journal/issues/41/a-new-age-myth-the-kaimanawa-wall
Why aren’t they being looked after the plants are destroying them
Was the track on million dollar road
Damned pines.
Do you know of these? I've been there, it's incredibly difficult to get up to the glyphs - the only reason they were found recently is because a farmer's dog ran away and then started barking. The farmer followed the barks to a hole into a rock face and when he crawled in (me too and it requires a lot of energy and gymnastics! to get into the path behind) and climbed up the rockface he finally came upon this. There has been people discrediting it of course (1 theory a group of university students went in there in the 50s and made them - yeah right! how did they know where to go and where are the ladders they used to get up - the glyphs go up really high and what tools did they use??). Similar carvings to these NZ ones? The local aboriginals know where there are a lot more and which go further across the area. th-cam.com/video/lFx54mEFn44/w-d-xo.html
These are not high up at all, they are at ground level protected by fencing.easy to access from the road
@@scottgraham1469 they're talking about the story covered in the video they linked about carvings in Australia, not the ones shown in this video.
I could see some typography?
Classic Waka lines not sailing ships.
thoes sig sag lines look verry similar to the Egyptian hieroglyph for watter ( same amount of spikes)
Goldtops on Moaris carved those
All over the earth...the endless spiral...all over...
Could this be a megalithic structure
nope. geologists have looked at it and it's a natural feature.
Ufos visit nz alot ive seen 2 types a disk shape one during the day floating stationary with purple force feild around it only the circle thing around it was purple and was in 2007 before we had good phone cameras and not that long ago that was a bright light pulsating also stationary clear night then faded away too nothing
Wow. This reminds me of the aboriginal rock carvings of European ships when they started arriving.
It looks like a retelling of an arrival.
This has the strangest feeling about it.
Very poignant.
Nice video. Shame about the overly loud music that i had to keep turning down so my ears could handle it then turn back up to hear the talking
Hey mate, great video. Can you do a favour and perhaps mark it on google maps as a tourist site or something? would be super helpful as I want to go there in 2020! Someone else has marked the kaimanawa wall if you havent checked that one out
skeptics.nz/journal/issues/41/a-new-age-myth-the-kaimanawa-wall
Pronunciation would be appreciated