A lot of you are asking "How do we fix the problem?" presented in this video. That will be in a future video so stay tuned and thank you always for watching!
Sad. So we have to tune into the future to know the answer to the question you started the video with. OK. I will jump ahead, and say if it costs money, it is a serious problem.
It is painfully simple, we just tear down the existing building, substitute for the proper size stud rails, then repour the floors and rebuild the building the way it was meant to be built to begin with. Surely nobody would object to this solution! 😂 Though in reality, I am guessing you would do something like an epoxy floor covering to seal the concrete on the top surface so that they are not continually exposed to new moisture.
@@deconteesawyer5758 the question he started the video with was "how do engineers solve the problem of punching shear failure," which was clearly explained. The question he is pointing out is "how do we fix the problem of corrosion of the stud heads when exposed to the elements," which is to be covered, for free, in a later video.
I was a structural designer for 41 years. I'been retired for 8 years now. I didn't do a lot of concrete design; mostly steel design but I find these types of topics fascinating. Thanks for your videos and keep on teaching.
The instruction and explanations on this channel impress me as being CLEAR and uncomplicated. That's a sign of someone who understands his subject well enough to make it seem simple. I know nothing about ergs and joules and newtons and force vector this and force vector that, but I'm getting glimmers of understanding from watching the videos. Hey! A glimmer is a glimmer!
Agreed, these videos are fascinating. As a Bay Area native the Millennium Tower caught my attention but it'd be fun to see deep dives on other engineering challenges. The Bay Area has so many to choose from: the new Bay Bridge, the new Transbay Terminal (right near the Millennium Tower), 33 Tehama, or even older stuff like the San Onofre nuclear plant.
Why does a 72 year old retired grandma find your videos so fascinating? It’s because you explain everything so well. It is not boring. I really learn from you. You have a true calling for explaining things, so we all can understand and find interesting.
You have such a way of gluing people to the screen, and really paying attention and learning. If I was a kid again, I’d seriously consider this for a career path, based solely off your videos.
Agreed. I' m not even a kid and considering a career path change. A friend of mine works in building inspection and now her and I nerd out on this stuff. I love your content!
Lifelong learners appreciate how your teaching style conveys a total version of the concept without requiring the burden of mathematical proof. Competence over mastery allows me the freedom to observe and graze more knowledge. Subscribed, Thanks.
I second that. As an electrical engineer in switchyard construction, I have to look outside of my box and at foundations and steel constructions. That concerns, for example, wind forces and forces from short-circuit loads. Josh's videos help me a lot to understand those trades, too. A deeper insight into reinforcements would be highly appreciated.
My guess: it's serious because now that moisture has access to the rebar, the corrosion will accelerate weakening the joint. The rebar will swell from the corrosion causing more spalling of the concrete, which turns into a feedback loop that accelerates everything. 🤔
I learned in engineering school theres no such thing as a "minor" structural problem. There are structural issues that will become major problems down the road.
@@Mj-CWO4 rust protection. the only reason metal has to be covered by concrete is that the ph level keeps the metal from rusting. but you can also use protective coatings- so get rid of the rust and paint it.
Wow, you got me! At the beginning I didn't know what they were. After you started to explain I realized that I've been carrying one in my tool bag for almost 15 years. I picked up one of the spare studs off a jobsite and have been using it as a "Banger" to hammer things all this time. The narrow end sits on an anchor inside a box or some other narrow area and you can pound on the head with a hammer to set the anchor. The wide head helps to cordinate my hammer blows as I've never been the most cordinated with my hammer. I even lost my first Stud after a few years and found a new one on another jobsite. I consider it a very useful tool even though it's not the original intended purpose.
Perhaps this is a sign that the concrete surface needed some protective coating to reduce or prevent surface water ingress. Not an immediate problem but a maintenance topic to follow. Can you do a segment on concrete surface protection ethics and one on rebar coating methods to reduce rust impact? Different climate zones also important. A winter location where salt is used on roads will impact concrete parking spaces as salt water drips off parked cars. This might be similar to or slightly different to salt air conditions in coastal areas.
Hot dipped galvanized and other forms of highly corrosion resistant rebar is widely available and costs roughly twice as much as black rebar. ln the overall cost of a major project, that additional expense would be negligible and would go a long way towards mitigating these sorts of issues. Why isn't corrosion resistant rebar required or used more commonly in US construction? To quote Randy Newman: "lt's money that matters, ln the USA."
@@frankmiller95 Most projects are designed assuming a roughly 100 years max lifespan, for which standard rebar is certainly more than adequate provided proper construction techniques are observed. That might sound short sighted, but it really isn't as most buildings become functionally obsolete after 50-75 years and wind up being abandoned or replaced with new structures anyways. On a separate note, if you've ever seen a large slab under construction, the life of a bar can be pretty brutal, and there is zero probability that the bars will not have massive and unpredictable damage of that protective coating. The type of long-lasting construction you're suggesting works much better on civil structures like roads and bridges, in which the budgets are much bigger, construction timelines are longer, reinforcement placement is more uniform and organized, and the laborers are usually of much higher skill and proficiency, so laying down bar in a "clean" fashion is much more practical.
Most salt put on roads is not regular salt. Its a less corrosive substance and often times corrosion inhibitors are added. Its unlikely there would be a significant impact from dripping as a result of road salts.
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civil and structural engineering channels that actually explain things well and cover interesting and realistic situations are so few and far between so glad I found your channel.
I first became acquainted with your channel after the Champlain Towers tragedy, and I found your excellent explanations very enlightening. I'm a cinema technician, so I know nothing about structural engineering. After watching your videos, I still know nothing, but I understand it better. (PS> I live in San Francisco, where the Millennium Tower building continues to slowly tilt off center. I used to enjoy lunch at an outdoor plaza almost just across the street from it, but I just cant eat there any more because being anywhere near that building makes me really nervous. Now there's a structural engineering problem I wish you or someone could solve, for the sake of the residents and my lunch hour! )
It's obvious from the photo that corrosion of the stud rails is present - eventually, the corrosion can progress to the point where the entire shear head could fail because of the severe expansion of corroded steel inside the concrete causing loss of structural integrity of the entire shear head itself.
Seems to me that the "upside down" orientation (connecting rail on top) is the better one, as the rail between the studs is then on the tension side, and will transfer the bending moment even farther out on the top skin of the slab.
@@ThunderClawShocktrix I had the same thought later. Cost? But how cost sensitive are these sorts of parts? Probably not at all, when you account for the whole building's materials. Maybe the nail-heads isolate fracture points better than a defined edge? (I'm just making things up now.)
d00dEEE I too wondered about that. I suspect (based on no knowledge of construction techniques, I freely admit) that the problem with having them "upside down" is that when the concrete is poured it will NOT flow like water and fill ALL of the area underneath the connecting rail. It will leave air gaps, and those air gaps will compromise the integrity of the slab. As my old man used to say "opinions are like a*s-holes. Everybody has got one and some are more smelly than others". This idea of mine may be a stinker !
@@ThunderClawShocktrix You can't get the ladder rails trough a rebar 'net', but you can poke the studs trough. You could put the ladders in first, but then you'd have to weave dozens of rebar bars trough. Some rebar could be fitted under the stud heads rather easily, or a piece of flat iron with slots cut for the studs...
My wild guess would be that is punching shear reinforcement. I have a BSc Civil Engineering And in The Russian building code SP 63:13330:2011 For design of reinforced concrete structures It’s stated clearly that the girth or thickness of the concrete provides resistance to punching shear and there is a formula that compares the punching shear resistance of the concrete slab to the axial load from the column If the axial load from the column is greater Then punching shear reinforcement is necessary
As a retired private building inspector, I can tell you if it was built that way, it likely violates code. All steel must be a certain distance from the surface of concrete, 2" if I recall correctly. This (code) is an attempt to prevent spalling. No Idea if this is a big or little deal. Did the contractor put the column (or the connecting steel in the slab) in the wrong place??! Edit - Oh, I see now that I finished your vid. Question 2 - wouldn't it be stronger to have the steel go across the column, maybe be welded to the column reinforcing steel? I usually see the horizontal and vertical steel tied together on construction sites. Question 3 - How can reinforcing steel be prevented from damage due to "rising damp", moisture rising due to capillary action of porous masonry/concrete? Seems to me every building built with it sits on the ground, which is varying levels of damp/wet. What about pier or bridge columns that are in water? Comment - State of California spent billions after the '71 and '94 earthquakes reinforcing the columns holding up the freeways as they punched right through. Interstate 10 was severely damaged in places.
I had very short spell as a structural engineer designing mostly in reinforced concrete. I can remember being asked by heating and ventilation engineers whether it would be possible to have holes in the concrete next to the columns and doing calculations within the code of practice current at the time and giving them a yes or no on that basis. At that time these studs had not been invented or introduced. You have now made me rather nervous about some of my working. I am happy to say that these buildings are still standing after 52 years so so far so good.
I’m an electrical engineer and love all types of engineering. I find it interesting how nature repeats itself. Solder cracks in a very similar fashion but due to heating/cooling; creating a cold solder joint. Also when lightning hits an Integrated Circuit, the core looks like a shear punch head. I had guessed not serious now but will if left unmonitored in the future. Great Topic!
The question that the conclusion of this video raises to me is what form remedial work would take. The solution that immediately springs to mind is to seal the the slab over the stud rails with a millimetre or two of a suitable epoxy coating. This then raises another question of whether it is necessary to remove the existing small amount of corrosion before coating the slab.
If there isnt a significant loss of section by corrosion, i think that you could use the typical procedure for corroded armature repair, treating it to remove rust then coat with an epoxy bonding layer and a thicker layer of concrete on top, or on the worst case casting a capital or drop panel under the slab anchored to the column.
It would seem possible to remove the heads if they are severely damaged and remove the concrete from around the rust affected area and weld new heads slightly lower on the shafts. Then epoxy coat and replace the concrete layer covering them as mentioned above. Though the previous post would probably be preferred provided the damage is not severe since there's less liability involved .
@@alexlail7481 The heat from welding will cause moisture in the existing concrete to form steam bubbles and cause more spalling. Then you have the problem of adhesion of new concrete to the old existing concrete. Little patches tend to just flake off.
@@brnmcc01 use epoxy it’s stronger than concrete and bonds with surrounding concrete, used it to repair warehouse floors and loading docks. A lot stronger than actual concrete
Since watching your channel, I’m inclined to think that any rusted steel is potentially a major problem! It never occurred to me to look at these things before, I’ve learned so much from your channel, thanks. The last multi-story garage I parked in I looked around, there wasn’t a spot of rust anywhere, looks like they did a great job.
If you're interested in this topic you should take a look at Practical Engineering as he recently did a while series about corrosion which is pretty interesting!
Question- is it inevitable we will find that reinforced concrete will not stand the test of time. Wood and/or steel structures can decay however if is more or less simple to repair or replace, you can expose the problem area and repair. However reinforced concrete the rebar can deteriorate, concrete can spall. It is harder to repair, you can’t just cut out a section and replace because it is designed as a monolithic structure with engineered overlapping steel rebar. Seems to me most concrete repairs only patch and retard or cosmetically cover the problem, after the patch it isn’t really better than before.
With proper maintenance concrete structures can stand much more time than wood. Repairs, if the problem is addressed in reasonable time, can be made with the addition of more reinforcing elements on top of the existing ones generally. I think thats exactly the opposite in this aspect, as wooden and steel structures depending on the type , you'd have to replace entire pre-made elements, as on concrete structures its possible to even cast new beams and colums in extreme cases, provided the correct shoring and other procedures.
For the learning engineers out there I have 2 clarifying points. 1) The roughly 45 deg fracture plane corresponds to the max tension principal stress of the cross section. It's not exactly the bending that causes it but a far off load causes bending and shear stress together. Bending moment is the integral of shear 2) The pull thru shear area is not the top view area he cross hatched. It is the effective perimeter times the thickness. That perimeter could be something like a diamond shape between the 4 corners, or it could be more circular if more radial ties are installed. Overall very good explanation for non-engineers :)
i get involved in a lot of flat slab design in the UK and recently really did a deep dive into punching shear design and shear rails and comparing different codes of practice and found it really interesting how the control perimeter varies between various countries coded of practice, along with the minimum requirements and allowable contribution from the shear strength of the concrete itself, and influence of bars passing straight through the column. found a particularly funny article from the 90's talking about "shear hoops" which looked ridiculous but at the time seemed promising, and stud rails were just sort of a foot note (and called "shear combs"!) great video definitely a great starting point for learning about punching shear and how to visualise it.
This channel fascinates me, fills a need I did not know I had. Every now and then I come across a gem like this on TH-cam. Another was a online series teaching the Python programing language to Google employees. Always hated school, guess it was just that I experienced the wrong instructors for me.
I'm less than a minute into your video and I have absolutely no idea whether this is a little problem or a big problem but either way it should be properly looked at by a structural engineer who knows about concrete as you can't see what's going on underneath.
An excellent video. A good starter for students. These stud rails are a simpler form of ligature which converts the beam/stab into a truss member. The studs take tension forces and the concrete takes the compressive forces at an inclined angle from top to bottom. Another similarity are the vertical web stiffeners on large steel I beams. The web stiffeners take the compressive forces and the flat web inbetween takes the tensile forces. This is to prevent web buckling. So in essence the forces are distributed to those components best suited for the preferred type of stress condition. In concrete ----tension is bad, compression is good. In steel --- tension is good, tension may be bad if buckling can occur. Cheers.
Interesting. Never having heard of stud rails, when you initially asked "major or minor", my answer was "no opinion". Once you explained what they were, my assessment changed to "major problem". Not a major problem _now_, but knowing what human nature is, when told something will be a major problem in the future, the response is almost always "well, let whoever owns the property then worry about it, I don't have to spend any money now". Anyone that suggests that it doesn't work that way for buildings should go back and look at the FIU bridge or Champlain Towers South.
The distinction between important and urgent is crucial. This problem with the stud heads in my opinion is very important, since it may cause the collapse of the building if not taken care of, but not urgent (for now) since the corrosion is still small and limited. No need to evacuate the building, for example
I retired from my construction engineering job 25 years ago. My tallest building is in Chicago at 67 floors.. I'm a Civil Engineer and a PE. I never heard of studrails before this video.. Thanx for explaining their use.
I spent my life as a contractor, inspector and facility director. Your videos are excellent. I watched this video and then watched it again with my son, who owns 3 construction companies. Very well done, thank you for sharing your expertise.
At 14:41, wouldn’t the shear area INCLUDE the area hatched in turquoise? So, let’s say the post is 1’ x 1’ and the shear area without studrails is 3’ x 3’ (or 9 SF). If the shear area with studrails is 5’ x 5’ (or 25 SF), then the shear area is SIGNIFICANTLY larger (almost 3x larger in this thumbnail sketch of an example). Also presuming that the studrails are left-right and up-down in the diagram, wouldn’t the shear area with studrails be offset by 45° to form a diamond shape in the diagram? Or maybe a rounded-off cross shape in the diagram?
The stud rail should be replaced by a welded ladder design - as if you joined all the stud heads together. That would provide better ancorage and increased tensional resistance to the upper edge of the slab.
@@TheLuminousOne I’m sure that is true, but, my brother is still an actively working civil engineer at age 85 and loves what he does. His wife finally convinced him to cut back to 4 days a week.
I live in sweden and here most residential buildings are built using precast concret walls that are asabled on the construction site. So instead of load bering pillars you get load bering walls in the whole building. What do you think of that method of construction compared to the one using pillars?
Is this what is known as Large Panel Systems (LPS)? I believe several Swedish-designed LPS products were used in The UK to build both low- and high-rise residential dwellings, esp. in the 1945-1970 postwar period, as the Blitz-bombing had ruined so much housing.
An intensely unique channel. The ratio of comments to views says it all, approximately 1:100. Your videos have a become a legitimate reference source for the Engineering world.
Fascinating. Thank you for presenting this in such a 'lay-friendly' manner. Would have been interested in the required treatment for the exposed stud rails.
Newtons third law for every action theres an equal and opposite reaction.Gravity is the action steel and concrete are the reaction.The more you try to cheapen the cost of construction the more you cheapen the construction.Surfside is an example.
Hmm....I do nonstructural work now, but I worked in bridge inspection for a few years back at the start of my career. It does remind me of popped steel, but it doesn't have the spalling or fragmentation I'd expect to see there. My gut instinct is anytime you've got rusty leachate you have degredation of the reinforcing steel, so before watching more of the video I'm concerned but not panicked, but I'm very curious. Edit - yay popped steel xD
I love your explanations, so clear and concise. I didn't even bother guessing at what the problem was initially - had no idea. This is the first I've ever heard of stud rails, and it was most enlightening. Overall, however, I'm getting the disturbing message that a poured concrete building's safety is being compromised by cheaper construction methods, the stud rails are further evidence that attempts to correct the safety deficiencies are being tried, and, sometimes, ineffectively used. This is equivalent to not placing X-bar reinforcing in buildings in earthquake zones because it costs more and looks unattractive, but would you rather be in an ugly safe building in an earthquake zone, or an unsafe, attractive building, when the ground starts shaking? We all know which developers and realtors choose, but they're placing the occupant's lives at risk. I'll take safe and ugly anytime!
The stud rail is a minimal number component as compared with rebar. As such it would be advantageous to use stainless steel. My preference would be capitals where loads are high or moving; i.e. parking garage.
No scientific/engineering background: I think they are part of the rebar for the top of the foundation piling cap where it ties into the column. I guess that it should not be close to the surface, the concrete slab has been poured too thin and it is rusting withing and will cause spalling which could continue to erode and weaken the structural integrity of the foundation and columns. I also guess this is from water ingress due to a high water table or poor drainage. Will update comment after watching video. Finished watching. I was wrong and won't give up my nursing job! Have still learned plenty!
Jp SP is a big problem because they don't fix it until it's too late. The arrangement is at an angle, and not evenly spaced on the supporting column itself. If this is the most popular version of construction, I worry about the future. People and vehicles do not drive on the ceiling, but it is still important that there are no visible corners, "what nonsense"! Looks like they'd rather see their heads flattened than in a safe bubble.
I said serious based on not knowing how corroded the steel was under those heads so must be addressed as a matter of priority. I can see though that corrosion under the head would likely cause sprawling at the surface. A question though, do you need the horizontal rail? I am thinking of how earth can be pinned by multiple rods pushed through it. Ones that I have seen are not tied together though. Thanks
I think minor. It's probably spalling due to rust from water getting under the surface. But since it's the foundation floor, and not directly supporting columns, it's probably not structurally unsound. edit, had to add. I think I was half right. I figured it was rust, but I thought it was the bottom of the basement and not a slab with a level below. That's why I said it was not unsound. The slab is weaker but it would take negligence to make it a safety issue.
How bad do you think spalling on an overpass support has to be before there is a structural danger of collapse? We have one in town here that is missing chunks of concrete and the exposed rebar is clearly corroding. Seems like the state is ignoring it and it's been progressively getting worse for years. I am absolutely terrified of getting stopped under it when traffic backs up from the nearby red light.
Good question. I often see big chunks of spalling concrete and rusted rebar on overpass support and wondering when it's going to fail. Can such problem be fixed?
I have, in my retirement in a lndoChina country, built 2 small hotels, a house and workshop with an apartment above. I find this series fascinating and informative. Thank you.
I was wrong, but I automatically thought rust = spalling. This is something I learned just from watching your channel. My thought was that if it was NOT of immediate concern, that the rust issue MUST be addressed. First, to remove the rust and see how much deterioration had occurred. Second, if the deterioration wasn't bad to immediately cover with a rust/waterproof paint as a very short term solution. And then there would need to be an intervention scheduled with an appropriate maintenance crew to permanently (or as permanent as possible considering the life of the property) fix the issue.
Using stud rails is like getting Tommy John surgery before you actually injure your elbow and need the Tommy John surgery. Funny be cause pitchers would wait until their elbow was compromised before getting Tommy John, now some will get it before injury to avoid injury. Sounds the same to me
In the heavy truck industry, "spalling" is generically called "rust jacking". You could add that to your repertoire for relating spalling to other crowds. Rust jacking ruins trucks just like with concrete. When trucks have double frames, there are two channels tightly nested. But there's no way to ultimately prevent moisture, so rust forms and splits the beams from each other and ruins the frame. People restoring or maintaining older equipment deal with rust more than any other problem and rust jacking presents varied and interesting results.
Another informative video with a great explanation. I find them easy to understand and follow. You help make this subject very interesting and I look forward to the next one.
I would assume its rebar rusting in the basement's floor. It must be ground water has penetrating the slab corroding the rebar and could also effected the piers. I would assume it requires investigation.
(0:45 in) Given that there is spalling of concrete with orange staining, I'm concerned that the re-bar in the area has been being heavily corroded and is not helping the structure as designed.
Excellent as always. They do this with steel decking ,by welding the studs to the decking and to the beam below the decking ,anchoring it all together.
0:34 - I'm going to say it's not a big issue, or it's not an issue at all, and it's mostly by design. Although, I can't tell if the divots in the concrete are from sprawl or not, and that may have been unintentional, but it's minor. I'm guessing there's a more complex rebar joint in there that either has continuous rebar running column length into the slab (or visa versa), or it's a kind of cage of rebar that ties into the column and slab rebar. It likely has L shaped ends that get close to the finished surface, to better lock it into the slab, but they've started to rust and maybe sprawled out those small divots. I'm not an engineer and don't know the technical names of many things still, but I can see it and what it's doing; it's there to prevent punching sheer, by using the tensile and sheer strength of the rebar to better tie column to slab where the most sheer forces exist. Now I'll finish the video and see how right or wrong I was....
Is ANCHORING EPOXY a viable/approved remedy to re-anchor the exposed (but still sound) stud-rail heads to the slab, and also seal against further corrosion? 🤔
As always... excellent information from you. We know how to 'not build' columns, those that pose Punching Shear Failure. The recent condo collapse is still a great classroom where ideas can be shared,
3:07 .. because 90 degree corners are always going to be stress concentrator's ... and as such will be the first connections to break under any adverse conditions
At the never completed and demolished Harmon Tower condominiums City Center, here in Las Vegas, these are where were left out by accident during construction over about 8 floors. They were up to the 25th or so floor out of the planned 45 before this discovery. Lawsuits, fears about collapse during a seismic event, the economic crash of 2008. The building was demolished floor by floor and is now being replaced by imagine that, more retail on the Las Vegas Strip.
Hi, I have a question from European side of the pond: I never seen such thing being used on the building sites, to be fair I havent visited that much, but in ones I seen there were just more rebar added in the same area - like a flower, or sun shape - isnt it much stronger than this technology? With these studs you have much higher risk of corrosion penetration on top, damaging head while with denser, wider regular rebar you have same, or even better strength while having much better opportunity to repair damaged areas depending on the size of defect. Very interesting material, thanks!
As a retired civil inspector I am acutely aware of the need to assure compliance with plans and specifications. Cutting corners in construction can cause catastrophic if not deadly consequences.
Single Home ownership seems to be a less risky dwelling, in terms of height risks. I know nothing about construction, yet learned something about it with a touch of physics. Thank you.
Yes, I guessed correctly ... in Aerospace, we call them "Doublers" but serve the same purpose ... to spread load. But the calculations are very precise ... the Rivet diameters and spacing well thought out to prevent damage in the future. This situation is minor now but the "Lying, Cheating Contractors" did a lousy job on height of the Studs as you rightly point out. The "Repair" I'd guess would be to core out Studs, re-weld new ones with correct height and pour high strength repair material in ??? But in the immediate situation, the corrosion needs to be neutralized and Studs sealed with epoxy ??? Otherwise, it'll be like the building in Tiachung, Taiwan's 1999 Earthquake ... the Hotel I used when there (6 Story) fell over completely which exposed that "smooth" rebar had be used instead the required "ribbed" ... easy to pull 16 penny nail out from the tip if the head has been cut off.
I have seen the concrete chipping away from the tops of stud rails before. I knew it had to be structural, but until today, had no idea what stud rails were and how they spread the load to greatly reduce the effect of punch shearing. Thanks for the great explanation.
Would it make sense to make some of the concrete reinforcements out of stainless steel instead for its corrosion resistance or is there some other factor (other than cost) that makes stainless steel unsuitable for that purpose?
George: A significant benefit of steel rebar is that its thermal coefficient of expansion is almost identical to that of concrete. Any material different to that of concrete will cause the material to separate from the concrete, causing failure. Even FREE titanium would be bad.
14:30 that area? or the perimeter area .. because it seems to me its the perimeter that matters and specifically the area of the shear head thru the slab as the bigger that is the more atoms the are holding hands and the more energy that is require to break all those hand in quick enough succession
What are the factors that determine how far out the stud rail should extend from the beam and would it help structurally to put alternate stud rails face up and down? Thanks.
you essentially just have to spread the same load (i.e. load transferred from slab to column) over a large enough perimeter such that the stress in the concrete is small enough to be resisted by the concrete section without the influence of shear studs. increasing the amount of reinforcement for bending can increase this shear resistance. codes generally require a minimum of 2 perimeters of studs (i.e. each rail must have at least 2 studs) and codes will have requirements for the minimum area and maximum spacing of the studs. you dont usually put them coming from beams, these are mostly (99% of the time) just used for flat slab construction (no beams). and in practice no benefit is gained regardless of orientation of the rail because each end is sized to ensure full interaction between the stud and the slab, although for very thin slabs you generally cant develop the full yield stress in the studs.
Rust is a sign that something could be wrong. Is it all big wrong or a little wrong? I have no idea, but questioning what is happening is the first and necessary step to finding out. Simply saying "Hmmmm," and letting someone else worry about it could be the start of a disaster that won't be prevented when it could have been. Congratulations to whoever is making the inquiry!
Since there is only one potential source of rust in reinforced concrete - from the reinforcing rebar matrix - this deserves attention sooner than later.
A lot of you are asking "How do we fix the problem?" presented in this video. That will be in a future video so stay tuned and thank you always for watching!
My question answered in the future. Thank you.
Sad. So we have to tune into the future to know the answer to the question you started the video with.
OK. I will jump ahead, and say if it costs money, it is a serious problem.
It is painfully simple, we just tear down the existing building, substitute for the proper size stud rails, then repour the floors and rebuild the building the way it was meant to be built to begin with. Surely nobody would object to this solution! 😂
Though in reality, I am guessing you would do something like an epoxy floor covering to seal the concrete on the top surface so that they are not continually exposed to new moisture.
Epoxy patch product
@@deconteesawyer5758 the question he started the video with was "how do engineers solve the problem of punching shear failure," which was clearly explained. The question he is pointing out is "how do we fix the problem of corrosion of the stud heads when exposed to the elements," which is to be covered, for free, in a later video.
I was a structural designer for 41 years. I'been retired for 8 years now. I didn't do a lot of concrete design; mostly steel design but I find these types of topics fascinating. Thanks for your videos and keep on teaching.
Thank you so much for watching and commenting.
Greg.. similar history.. glad we have a place to meet.. virtually.
@@BuildingIntegrity Appreciate your channel.. Thank you.
The instruction and explanations on this channel impress me as being CLEAR and uncomplicated. That's a sign of someone who understands his subject well enough to make it seem simple. I know nothing about ergs and joules and newtons and force vector this and force vector that, but I'm getting glimmers of understanding from watching the videos. Hey! A glimmer is a glimmer!
Agreed, these videos are fascinating. As a Bay Area native the Millennium Tower caught my attention but it'd be fun to see deep dives on other engineering challenges. The Bay Area has so many to choose from: the new Bay Bridge, the new Transbay Terminal (right near the Millennium Tower), 33 Tehama, or even older stuff like the San Onofre nuclear plant.
Why does a 72 year old retired grandma find your videos so fascinating? It’s because you explain everything so well. It is not boring. I really learn from you. You have a true calling for explaining things, so we all can understand and find interesting.
You have such a way of gluing people to the screen, and really paying attention and learning. If I was a kid again, I’d seriously consider this for a career path, based solely off your videos.
Thanks, that means a lot to hear.
I'm not a kid, and I'm considering it. (Wild imagination, heh!)
I definatly agree, I have always loved building design but this has changed how I look at everything around me.
Agreed. I' m not even a kid and considering a career path change. A friend of mine works in building inspection and now her and I nerd out on this stuff. I love your content!
Lifelong learners appreciate how your teaching style conveys a total version of the concept without requiring the burden of mathematical proof. Competence over mastery allows me the freedom to observe and graze more knowledge. Subscribed, Thanks.
Please more of this type of content, as an architect it help me to better communicate with engineers and better understand their needs.
I second that. As an electrical engineer in switchyard construction, I have to look outside of my box and at foundations and steel constructions. That concerns, for example, wind forces and forces from short-circuit loads.
Josh's videos help me a lot to understand those trades, too. A deeper insight into reinforcements would be highly appreciated.
My guess: it's serious because now that moisture has access to the rebar, the corrosion will accelerate weakening the joint. The rebar will swell from the corrosion causing more spalling of the concrete, which turns into a feedback loop that accelerates everything. 🤔
This is such an interesting technology. Thank you for explaining it in a way non-structural engineers can understand. Well done. Love your videos!
Thanks for kind words!
I learned in engineering school theres no such thing as a "minor" structural problem. There are structural issues that will become major problems down the road.
minor issues are ones that can be corrected
How is this issue fixed?
@@Mj-CWO4 Accounting says there are can be no problems with the cheaper concrete mix. Procurement agrees with accounting.
@@Mj-CWO4 rust protection. the only reason metal has to be covered by concrete is that the ph level keeps the metal from rusting. but you can also use protective coatings- so get rid of the rust and paint it.
@18:15 and if the T head is gone as well, the stud rail is like a series of nail ends without any holding power.
Wow, you got me! At the beginning I didn't know what they were. After you started to explain I realized that I've been carrying one in my tool bag for almost 15 years. I picked up one of the spare studs off a jobsite and have been using it as a "Banger" to hammer things all this time. The narrow end sits on an anchor inside a box or some other narrow area and you can pound on the head with a hammer to set the anchor. The wide head helps to cordinate my hammer blows as I've never been the most cordinated with my hammer. I even lost my first Stud after a few years and found a new one on another jobsite. I consider it a very useful tool even though it's not the original intended purpose.
That's what I love about construction. When tools get used for their unintended purpose to make another task easier. Thanks for sharing!
Perhaps this is a sign that the concrete surface needed some protective coating to reduce or prevent surface water ingress. Not an immediate problem but a maintenance topic to follow. Can you do a segment on concrete surface protection ethics and one on rebar coating methods to reduce rust impact? Different climate zones also important. A winter location where salt is used on roads will impact concrete parking spaces as salt water drips off parked cars. This might be similar to or slightly different to salt air conditions in coastal areas.
Typically worse I think since road salt is harsher and more concentrated than salt from ocean moisture
Hot dipped galvanized and other forms of highly corrosion resistant rebar is widely available and costs roughly twice as much as black rebar. ln the overall cost of a major project, that additional expense would be negligible and would go a long way towards mitigating these sorts of issues. Why isn't corrosion resistant rebar required or used more commonly in US construction? To quote Randy Newman: "lt's money that matters, ln the USA."
@@frankmiller95 Most projects are designed assuming a roughly 100 years max lifespan, for which standard rebar is certainly more than adequate provided proper construction techniques are observed. That might sound short sighted, but it really isn't as most buildings become functionally obsolete after 50-75 years and wind up being abandoned or replaced with new structures anyways. On a separate note, if you've ever seen a large slab under construction, the life of a bar can be pretty brutal, and there is zero probability that the bars will not have massive and unpredictable damage of that protective coating. The type of long-lasting construction you're suggesting works much better on civil structures like roads and bridges, in which the budgets are much bigger, construction timelines are longer, reinforcement placement is more uniform and organized, and the laborers are usually of much higher skill and proficiency, so laying down bar in a "clean" fashion is much more practical.
Most salt put on roads is not regular salt. Its a less corrosive substance and often times corrosion inhibitors are added. Its unlikely there would be a significant impact from dripping as a result of road salts.
@@ajr993 Have you never seen what road salt does to the undercarriage of cars? It eats it rather quickly.
As a mechatronics & robotics engineer that works on weapons systems I want to give all you structural and civil engineers a shout out - thank you for designing all these targets for me! 😁
LOL...aim for the weakest; so we can replace them better !
civil and structural engineering channels that actually explain things well and cover interesting and realistic situations are so few and far between so glad I found your channel.
I first became acquainted with your channel after the Champlain Towers tragedy, and I found your excellent explanations very enlightening. I'm a cinema technician, so I know nothing about structural engineering. After watching your videos, I still know nothing, but I understand it better. (PS> I live in San Francisco, where the Millennium Tower building continues to slowly tilt off center. I used to enjoy lunch at an outdoor plaza almost just across the street from it, but I just cant eat there any more because being anywhere near that building makes me really nervous. Now there's a structural engineering problem I wish you or someone could solve, for the sake of the residents and my lunch hour! )
Ooh! I like that this feels like an educational course rather than a commentary on a topic. Very informative and great graphics, thank you!
For the next video, tell us how to fix the one where the stud heads were not sufficiently covered.
Will do. I am waiting on footage that we will get when it gets fixed so we can visually walk you through the whole process.
@@BuildingIntegrity Nice.
It's obvious from the photo that corrosion of the stud rails is present - eventually, the corrosion can progress to the point where the entire shear head could fail because of the severe expansion of corroded steel inside the concrete causing loss of structural integrity of the entire shear head itself.
Seems to me that the "upside down" orientation (connecting rail on top) is the better one, as the rail between the studs is then on the tension side, and will transfer the bending moment even farther out on the top skin of the slab.
better yet why not make it like a ladder 2 rails connected by rungs?
@@ThunderClawShocktrix I had the same thought later. Cost? But how cost sensitive are these sorts of parts? Probably not at all, when you account for the whole building's materials. Maybe the nail-heads isolate fracture points better than a defined edge? (I'm just making things up now.)
d00dEEE I too wondered about that. I suspect (based on no knowledge of construction techniques, I freely admit) that the problem with having them "upside down" is that when the concrete is poured it will NOT flow like water and fill ALL of the area underneath the connecting rail. It will leave air gaps, and those air gaps will compromise the integrity of the slab. As my old man used to say "opinions are like a*s-holes. Everybody has got one and some are more smelly than others". This idea of mine may be a stinker !
@@ThunderClawShocktrix You can't get the ladder rails trough a rebar 'net', but you can poke the studs trough. You could put the ladders in first, but then you'd have to weave dozens of rebar bars trough.
Some rebar could be fitted under the stud heads rather easily, or a piece of flat iron with slots cut for the studs...
@@Timoohz Aha, it all becomes clear! Mystery solved.
My wild guess would be that is punching shear reinforcement.
I have a BSc Civil Engineering
And in The Russian building code SP 63:13330:2011
For design of reinforced concrete structures
It’s stated clearly that the girth or thickness of the concrete provides resistance to punching shear and there is a formula that compares the punching shear resistance of the concrete slab to the axial load from the column
If the axial load from the column is greater
Then punching shear reinforcement is necessary
As a retired private building inspector, I can tell you if it was built that way, it likely violates code. All steel must be a certain distance from the surface of concrete, 2" if I recall correctly. This (code) is an attempt to prevent spalling. No Idea if this is a big or little deal. Did the contractor put the column (or the connecting steel in the slab) in the wrong place??!
Edit - Oh, I see now that I finished your vid.
Question 2 - wouldn't it be stronger to have the steel go across the column, maybe be welded to the column reinforcing steel? I usually see the horizontal and vertical steel tied together on construction sites.
Question 3 - How can reinforcing steel be prevented from damage due to "rising damp", moisture rising due to capillary action of porous masonry/concrete? Seems to me every building built with it sits on the ground, which is varying levels of damp/wet. What about pier or bridge columns that are in water?
Comment - State of California spent billions after the '71 and '94 earthquakes reinforcing the columns holding up the freeways as they punched right through. Interstate 10 was severely damaged in places.
6 cm in Germany if I recall correctly. I am no civil engineer, only mechanic engineer.
I had very short spell as a structural engineer designing mostly in reinforced concrete. I can remember being asked by heating and ventilation engineers whether it would be possible to have holes in the concrete next to the columns and doing calculations within the code of practice current at the time and giving them a yes or no on that basis. At that time these studs had not been invented or introduced. You have now made me rather nervous about some of my working. I am happy to say that these buildings are still standing after 52 years so so far so good.
I’m an electrical engineer and love all types of engineering. I find it interesting how nature repeats itself. Solder cracks in a very similar fashion but due to heating/cooling; creating a cold solder joint. Also when lightning hits an Integrated Circuit, the core looks like a shear punch head. I had guessed not serious now but will if left unmonitored in the future. Great Topic!
The question that the conclusion of this video raises to me is what form remedial work would take. The solution that immediately springs to mind is to seal the the slab over the stud rails with a millimetre or two of a suitable epoxy coating. This then raises another question of whether it is necessary to remove the existing small amount of corrosion before coating the slab.
If there isnt a significant loss of section by corrosion, i think that you could use the typical procedure for corroded armature repair, treating it to remove rust then coat with an epoxy bonding layer and a thicker layer of concrete on top, or on the worst case casting a capital or drop panel under the slab anchored to the column.
It would seem possible to remove the heads if they are severely damaged and remove the concrete from around the rust affected area and weld new heads slightly lower on the shafts. Then epoxy coat and replace the concrete layer covering them as mentioned above.
Though the previous post would probably be preferred provided the damage is not severe since there's less liability involved .
@@alexlail7481 The heat from welding will cause moisture in the existing concrete to form steam bubbles and cause more spalling. Then you have the problem of adhesion of new concrete to the old existing concrete. Little patches tend to just flake off.
@@brnmcc01 I think we may have different ideas as to the scope of the work...
@@brnmcc01 use epoxy it’s stronger than concrete and bonds with surrounding concrete, used it to repair warehouse floors and loading docks. A lot stronger than actual concrete
Since watching your channel, I’m inclined to think that any rusted steel is potentially a major problem! It never occurred to me to look at these things before, I’ve learned so much from your channel, thanks. The last multi-story garage I parked in I looked around, there wasn’t a spot of rust anywhere, looks like they did a great job.
If you're interested in this topic you should take a look at Practical Engineering as he recently did a while series about corrosion which is pretty interesting!
Question- is it inevitable we will find that reinforced concrete will not stand the test of time. Wood and/or steel structures can decay however if is more or less simple to repair or replace, you can expose the problem area and repair. However reinforced concrete the rebar can deteriorate, concrete can spall. It is harder to repair, you can’t just cut out a section and replace because it is designed as a monolithic structure with engineered overlapping steel rebar. Seems to me most concrete repairs only patch and retard or cosmetically cover the problem, after the patch it isn’t really better than before.
With proper maintenance concrete structures can stand much more time than wood. Repairs, if the problem is addressed in reasonable time, can be made with the addition of more reinforcing elements on top of the existing ones generally. I think thats exactly the opposite in this aspect, as wooden and steel structures depending on the type , you'd have to replace entire pre-made elements, as on concrete structures its possible to even cast new beams and colums in extreme cases, provided the correct shoring and other procedures.
Take a look at Building integrity's "Reinforced Concrete's Number 1 Enemy" video.
For the learning engineers out there I have 2 clarifying points. 1) The roughly 45 deg fracture plane corresponds to the max tension principal stress of the cross section. It's not exactly the bending that causes it but a far off load causes bending and shear stress together. Bending moment is the integral of shear
2) The pull thru shear area is not the top view area he cross hatched. It is the effective perimeter times the thickness. That perimeter could be something like a diamond shape between the 4 corners, or it could be more circular if more radial ties are installed.
Overall very good explanation for non-engineers :)
i get involved in a lot of flat slab design in the UK and recently really did a deep dive into punching shear design and shear rails and comparing different codes of practice and found it really interesting how the control perimeter varies between various countries coded of practice, along with the minimum requirements and allowable contribution from the shear strength of the concrete itself, and influence of bars passing straight through the column. found a particularly funny article from the 90's talking about "shear hoops" which looked ridiculous but at the time seemed promising, and stud rails were just sort of a foot note (and called "shear combs"!)
great video definitely a great starting point for learning about punching shear and how to visualise it.
This channel fascinates me, fills a need I did not know I had. Every now and then I come across a gem like this on TH-cam. Another was a online series teaching the Python programing language to Google employees. Always hated school, guess it was just that I experienced the wrong instructors for me.
I'm less than a minute into your video and I have absolutely no idea whether this is a little problem or a big problem but either way it should be properly looked at by a structural engineer who knows about concrete as you can't see what's going on underneath.
this video was fantastic - a technical explanation that I think most people can understand, whether structural engineers or not
An excellent video. A good starter for students. These stud rails are a simpler form of ligature which converts the beam/stab into a truss member. The studs take tension forces and the concrete takes the compressive forces at an inclined angle from top to bottom. Another similarity are the vertical web stiffeners on large steel I beams. The web stiffeners take the compressive forces and the flat web inbetween takes the tensile forces. This is to prevent web buckling. So in essence the forces are distributed to those components best suited for the preferred type of stress condition. In concrete ----tension is bad, compression is good. In steel --- tension is good, tension may be bad if buckling can occur. Cheers.
Interesting. Never having heard of stud rails, when you initially asked "major or minor", my answer was "no opinion".
Once you explained what they were, my assessment changed to "major problem". Not a major problem _now_, but knowing what human nature is, when told something will be a major problem in the future, the response is almost always "well, let whoever owns the property then worry about it, I don't have to spend any money now".
Anyone that suggests that it doesn't work that way for buildings should go back and look at the FIU bridge or Champlain Towers South.
The distinction between important and urgent is crucial. This problem with the stud heads in my opinion is very important, since it may cause the collapse of the building if not taken care of, but not urgent (for now) since the corrosion is still small and limited. No need to evacuate the building, for example
I retired from my construction engineering job 25 years ago. My tallest building is in Chicago at 67 floors.. I'm a Civil Engineer and a PE. I never heard of studrails before this video.. Thanx for explaining their use.
I spent my life as a contractor, inspector and facility director. Your videos are excellent. I watched this video and then watched it again with my son, who owns 3 construction companies. Very well done, thank you for sharing your expertise.
At 14:41, wouldn’t the shear area INCLUDE the area hatched in turquoise? So, let’s say the post is 1’ x 1’ and the shear area without studrails is 3’ x 3’ (or 9 SF). If the shear area with studrails is 5’ x 5’ (or 25 SF), then the shear area is SIGNIFICANTLY larger (almost 3x larger in this thumbnail sketch of an example).
Also presuming that the studrails are left-right and up-down in the diagram, wouldn’t the shear area with studrails be offset by 45° to form a diamond shape in the diagram? Or maybe a rounded-off cross shape in the diagram?
Mechanical engineering student here. Not going into structural, but this is still interesting to know about.
Thanks for watching. Good luck on your future in engineering. You'll love it.
In my country we mostly do solid slab with the beams. Less weight and labor costs are lower so it becomes cheaper than flat slab
The stud rail should be replaced by a welded ladder design - as if you joined all the stud heads together. That would provide better ancorage and increased tensional resistance to the upper edge of the slab.
Man I don't have enough data to make a firm judgement but it's definitely something I'd want looked at.
You make engineering so interesting! If I were 50 years younger I’d consider it as a career.
a lot of work, sacrifice and lack of appreciation
@@TheLuminousOne I’m sure that is true, but, my brother is still an actively working civil engineer at age 85 and loves what he does. His wife finally convinced him to cut back to 4 days a week.
@@ohmcintyre2067 that's really impressive!
I live in sweden and here most residential buildings are built using precast concret walls that are asabled on the construction site. So instead of load bering pillars you get load bering walls in the whole building.
What do you think of that method of construction compared to the one using pillars?
Better than column beam....
Is this what is known as Large Panel Systems (LPS)? I believe several Swedish-designed LPS products were used in The UK to build both low- and high-rise residential dwellings, esp. in the 1945-1970 postwar period, as the Blitz-bombing had ruined so much housing.
An intensely unique channel. The ratio of comments to views says it all, approximately 1:100. Your videos have a become a legitimate reference source for the Engineering world.
Always interesting, always presented clearly.
This is so thorough and understandable. Many thanks.
14:50 Wouldn't the red "with studrails" area actually include the turquoise-shaded area?
Serious problem.
EDIT: So it's a minor problem that could become serious if not fixed.
Fascinating. Thank you for presenting this in such a 'lay-friendly' manner. Would have been interested in the required treatment for the exposed stud rails.
Could be a sign of rusting concrete reinforcement. So I would say a serious problem.
Your shirt is making a weird optical illusion when I use picture in picture mode. Lol.
Newtons third law for every action theres an equal and opposite reaction.Gravity is the action steel and concrete are the reaction.The more you try to cheapen the cost of construction the more you cheapen the construction.Surfside is an example.
Rust + concrete always makes me nervous. I'm going to guess that this is a serious problem, now back to the video.
Hmm....I do nonstructural work now, but I worked in bridge inspection for a few years back at the start of my career. It does remind me of popped steel, but it doesn't have the spalling or fragmentation I'd expect to see there. My gut instinct is anytime you've got rusty leachate you have degredation of the reinforcing steel, so before watching more of the video I'm concerned but not panicked, but I'm very curious.
Edit - yay popped steel xD
I love your explanations, so clear and concise. I didn't even bother guessing at what the problem was initially - had no idea. This is the first I've ever heard of stud rails, and it was most enlightening. Overall, however, I'm getting the disturbing message that a poured concrete building's safety is being compromised by cheaper construction methods, the stud rails are further evidence that attempts to correct the safety deficiencies are being tried, and, sometimes, ineffectively used. This is equivalent to not placing X-bar reinforcing in buildings in earthquake zones because it costs more and looks unattractive, but would you rather be in an ugly safe building in an earthquake zone, or an unsafe, attractive building, when the ground starts shaking? We all know which developers and realtors choose, but they're placing the occupant's lives at risk. I'll take safe and ugly anytime!
The stud rail is a minimal number component as compared with rebar. As such it would be advantageous to use stainless steel. My preference would be capitals where loads are high or moving; i.e. parking garage.
No scientific/engineering background: I think they are part of the rebar for the top of the foundation piling cap where it ties into the column. I guess that it should not be close to the surface, the concrete slab has been poured too thin and it is rusting withing and will cause spalling which could continue to erode and weaken the structural integrity of the foundation and columns. I also guess this is from water ingress due to a high water table or poor drainage. Will update comment after watching video.
Finished watching. I was wrong and won't give up my nursing job! Have still learned plenty!
Jp SP is a big problem because they don't fix it until it's too late. The arrangement is at an angle, and not evenly spaced on the supporting column itself. If this is the most popular version of construction, I worry about the future. People and vehicles do not drive on the ceiling, but it is still important that there are no visible corners, "what nonsense"! Looks like they'd rather see their heads flattened than in a safe bubble.
I said serious based on not knowing how corroded the steel was under those heads so must be addressed as a matter of priority. I can see though that corrosion under the head would likely cause sprawling at the surface.
A question though, do you need the horizontal rail? I am thinking of how earth can be pinned by multiple rods pushed through it. Ones that I have seen are not tied together though.
Thanks
I think minor. It's probably spalling due to rust from water getting under the surface. But since it's the foundation floor, and not directly supporting columns, it's probably not structurally unsound. edit, had to add. I think I was half right. I figured it was rust, but I thought it was the bottom of the basement and not a slab with a level below. That's why I said it was not unsound. The slab is weaker but it would take negligence to make it a safety issue.
How bad do you think spalling on an overpass support has to be before there is a structural danger of collapse? We have one in town here that is missing chunks of concrete and the exposed rebar is clearly corroding. Seems like the state is ignoring it and it's been progressively getting worse for years. I am absolutely terrified of getting stopped under it when traffic backs up from the nearby red light.
Good question. I often see big chunks of spalling concrete and rusted rebar on overpass support and wondering when it's going to fail. Can such problem be fixed?
I have, in my retirement in a lndoChina country, built 2 small hotels, a house and workshop with an apartment above.
I find this series fascinating and informative. Thank you.
I was wrong, but I automatically thought rust = spalling. This is something I learned just from watching your channel. My thought was that if it was NOT of immediate concern, that the rust issue MUST be addressed. First, to remove the rust and see how much deterioration had occurred. Second, if the deterioration wasn't bad to immediately cover with a rust/waterproof paint as a very short term solution. And then there would need to be an intervention scheduled with an appropriate maintenance crew to permanently (or as permanent as possible considering the life of the property) fix the issue.
Using stud rails is like getting Tommy John surgery before you actually injure your elbow and need the Tommy John surgery. Funny be cause pitchers would wait until their elbow was compromised before getting Tommy John, now some will get it before injury to avoid injury. Sounds the same to me
Is remediation going to involved cleanup and Epoxy?
I assume the fix is to clean up the rust and seal the area with an epoxy?
Good assumption!
You are such an excellent communicator. Thank you for your videos!
This channel has a way of explaining things so clearly that I finish the video feeling that I have always known about the subject! Simply brilliant.
In the heavy truck industry, "spalling" is generically called "rust jacking". You could add that to your repertoire for relating spalling to other crowds.
Rust jacking ruins trucks just like with concrete. When trucks have double frames, there are two channels tightly nested. But there's no way to ultimately prevent moisture, so rust forms and splits the beams from each other and ruins the frame.
People restoring or maintaining older equipment deal with rust more than any other problem and rust jacking presents varied and interesting results.
Another informative video with a great explanation. I find them easy to understand and follow. You help make this subject very interesting and I look forward to the next one.
I would assume its rebar rusting in the basement's floor. It must be ground water has penetrating the slab corroding the rebar and could also effected the piers. I would assume it requires investigation.
(0:45 in) Given that there is spalling of concrete with orange staining, I'm concerned that the re-bar in the area has been being heavily corroded and is not helping the structure as designed.
Excellent as always. They do this with steel decking ,by welding the studs to the decking and to the beam below the decking ,anchoring it all together.
0:34 - I'm going to say it's not a big issue, or it's not an issue at all, and it's mostly by design. Although, I can't tell if the divots in the concrete are from sprawl or not, and that may have been unintentional, but it's minor.
I'm guessing there's a more complex rebar joint in there that either has continuous rebar running column length into the slab (or visa versa), or it's a kind of cage of rebar that ties into the column and slab rebar. It likely has L shaped ends that get close to the finished surface, to better lock it into the slab, but they've started to rust and maybe sprawled out those small divots. I'm not an engineer and don't know the technical names of many things still, but I can see it and what it's doing; it's there to prevent punching sheer, by using the tensile and sheer strength of the rebar to better tie column to slab where the most sheer forces exist.
Now I'll finish the video and see how right or wrong I was....
Excellent explanation! I'm a non-egingeer and this provides logic to follow.
At the first glance it’s so unintuitive that these stud rails can provide additional strength without being connected to the columns. Amazing video.
Is ANCHORING EPOXY a viable/approved remedy to re-anchor the exposed (but still sound) stud-rail heads to the slab, and also seal against further corrosion? 🤔
Hello, is this thing ON?... 😉🤔
As always... excellent information from you. We know how to 'not build' columns, those that pose Punching Shear Failure. The recent condo collapse is still a great classroom where ideas can be shared,
3:07 .. because 90 degree corners are always going to be stress concentrator's ... and as such will be the first connections to break under any adverse conditions
So what remedial action should be taken?
Cleaning... epoxy mastic.
another great explaintion. look forward to your content.
This channel is easily one of my favorite channels and this is another very good video.
At the never completed and demolished Harmon Tower condominiums City Center, here in Las Vegas, these are where were left out by accident during construction over about 8 floors. They were up to the 25th or so floor out of the planned 45 before this discovery. Lawsuits, fears about collapse during a seismic event, the economic crash of 2008. The building was demolished floor by floor and is now being replaced by imagine that, more retail on the Las Vegas Strip.
This is the best channel that's very interesting and very informative I am glued to this channel thanks
Hi, I have a question from European side of the pond: I never seen such thing being used on the building sites, to be fair I havent visited that much, but in ones I seen there were just more rebar added in the same area - like a flower, or sun shape - isnt it much stronger than this technology? With these studs you have much higher risk of corrosion penetration on top, damaging head while with denser, wider regular rebar you have same, or even better strength while having much better opportunity to repair damaged areas depending on the size of defect. Very interesting material, thanks!
Another fantastic video. I think that we are going to have to start referring to you as " The Professor ".
I don’t know, I’ve never seen those kinds of dots before. I’m a computer engineer not a structural engineer! I’ll just watch and learn…
Rust pattern is due to rebar being embedded to close to surface. Edit WRONG!
I would guess it is a serious problem judging by the thumbnail of this video
Wrong
Huge problem. Someone obviously spilled a whole plate of spaghetti near this column in early 1971, maybe '72 depending on the noodle quality.
As a retired civil inspector I am acutely aware of the need to assure compliance with plans and specifications. Cutting corners in construction can cause catastrophic if not deadly consequences.
Will you explain how that situation will be fixed? Like do you cut that whole slab and re-do it?
Single Home ownership seems to be a less risky dwelling, in terms of height risks. I know nothing about construction, yet learned something about it with a touch of physics. Thank you.
Single home dwellings are also often built on columns. For basements or in coastal areas for flood reasons.
@@JCrook1028 The columns hold up massive beams, which support joists. The issues at play virtually never arise in SFR.
Yes, I guessed correctly ... in Aerospace, we call them "Doublers" but serve the same purpose ... to spread load. But the calculations are very precise ... the Rivet diameters and spacing well thought out to prevent damage in the future. This situation is minor now but the "Lying, Cheating Contractors" did a lousy job on height of the Studs as you rightly point out. The "Repair" I'd guess would be to core out Studs, re-weld new ones with correct height and pour high strength repair material in ??? But in the immediate situation, the corrosion needs to be neutralized and Studs sealed with epoxy ??? Otherwise, it'll be like the building in Tiachung, Taiwan's 1999 Earthquake ... the Hotel I used when there (6 Story) fell over completely which exposed that "smooth" rebar had be used instead the required "ribbed" ... easy to pull 16 penny nail out from the tip if the head has been cut off.
I have seen the concrete chipping away from the tops of stud rails before. I knew it had to be structural, but until today, had no idea what stud rails were and how they spread the load to greatly reduce the effect of punch shearing. Thanks for the great explanation.
No problem. Its always better when you can directly inspect rusting rebar that is generally INSIDE concrete slabs and structural columns.
Would it make sense to make some of the concrete reinforcements out of stainless steel instead for its corrosion resistance or is there some other factor (other than cost) that makes stainless steel unsuitable for that purpose?
Stainless steel is weak
I believe titanium is essentially as strong as steel, is lighter, and doesn't corrode. The cost is the issue.
@@ReedmanFL lmaooo yea kind of a big issue bro, its significantly more expensive. Not just double or triple the price but many many multiples more
George:
A significant benefit of steel rebar is that its thermal coefficient of expansion is almost identical to that of concrete. Any material different to that of concrete will cause the material to separate from the concrete, causing failure. Even FREE titanium would be bad.
I wish those studrails were covered in a non-rusting material! 😬
14:30 that area? or the perimeter area .. because it seems to me its the perimeter that matters and specifically the area of the shear head thru the slab as the bigger that is the more atoms the are holding hands and the more energy that is require to break all those hand in quick enough succession
What are the factors that determine how far out the stud rail should extend from the beam and would it help structurally to put alternate stud rails face up and down? Thanks.
you essentially just have to spread the same load (i.e. load transferred from slab to column) over a large enough perimeter such that the stress in the concrete is small enough to be resisted by the concrete section without the influence of shear studs. increasing the amount of reinforcement for bending can increase this shear resistance. codes generally require a minimum of 2 perimeters of studs (i.e. each rail must have at least 2 studs) and codes will have requirements for the minimum area and maximum spacing of the studs. you dont usually put them coming from beams, these are mostly (99% of the time) just used for flat slab construction (no beams). and in practice no benefit is gained regardless of orientation of the rail because each end is sized to ensure full interaction between the stud and the slab, although for very thin slabs you generally cant develop the full yield stress in the studs.
@@Panttts I got my terms confused I meant post not beam. But I understand you response thanks.
Rust is a sign that something could be wrong. Is it all big wrong or a little wrong? I have no idea, but questioning what is happening is the first and necessary step to finding out. Simply saying "Hmmmm," and letting someone else worry about it could be the start of a disaster that won't be prevented when it could have been. Congratulations to whoever is making the inquiry!
Since there is only one potential source of rust in reinforced concrete - from the reinforcing rebar matrix - this deserves attention sooner than later.