Stephen A. Smith is taken to task by ESPN Analysts Max Kellerman, Marcellus Wiley & Skip Bayless for endorsing Knicks owner James Dolan's decision to let Jeremy Lin walk.
I wish I could triple thumbs up on that because wherever Melo goes, he brings the team down because he only thinks for himself. Selfish player does not win and he proves it.
Melo is a cancer to the knicks and D'Antoni. they are by far performs so much better without melo vs with melo. The guy wants Iso all the time but he cant produce results. Maybe the knicks shouldve realized that Melo needs to tone it down and become a role player.
Believe it or not, #1 Lin hater Stephen A. Smith is now saying the Knicks should have kept Jeremy Lin because of the way Felton is playing. Amazing...lol.
Stephen A. just wasn't willing to give Lin enough credit even when Linsanity was the main reason that the Knicks "survived" that roller-coaster season and managed to make it to the playoff.. He often shot far-fetched critics at Lin as if Lin were a veteran or something (like he "can't go to the left")...i mean come on, that was literally Lin's first year playing... just ignore the 2 seasons he spent looking after the towels and the gatorade cups.
I don't think Harden likes playing with Lin because they bang heads with who controls the ball. They both think differently. I think this will ultimately be the downfall of the Rockets. The Knicks however played so well with JLin, the chemistry was almost hard to believe until you saw it. It's almost like people were hoping Melo would stay injured, lol.
i give Lin a lot of credit on that regard.. he really adjusted a lot of his game in accordance to Harden's. ... e.g. for some reason Harden has this very bad habit of throwing last second passes to nearby teammates, and those rushed shots normally ended up bricking... but for this season, Lin managed to score on many of those passes, and you can tell his effort made in the off-season on shooting.
8 years ago, and even to this day...Harden can't play well with anyone, and it's showing, and now that is physical capabilities are going down instead of up, this will show even more so. Some people just want to BE THE GUY and not allow anyone there, which is sad.
I am OK with the Knicks didn't match Lin contract. But they should at least offer Lin a contract (about 5-6M per year) first. Instead, they chased Nash and told Lin to test the market. They had no respect to him in signing process.
He says he didn't really earn that championship, because he was a bench player, saw so few minutes, it would have made no difference if he weren't on the roster - they'd win without him.
Here's my problem with SAS: he doesn't like Jeremy Lin NOT because he's Asain; he doesn't like him because he's an outsider. Lin didn't take the same route of NBA players. He often represents the unspoken voice of many players in this league - which is why he hardly calls out the big names if they underperform (but he will call lesser known guys scrubs and bums). And many of those players have secretly and publicly voiced their displeasure about his popularity and coverage. He also allows the LINSANITY hype to cloud his judgement. A year and a half later does he feel the same way about Felton and whether or not the Knicks should've chosen him over Lin? He'll probably say yes, but if he's honest he'd acknowledge the Knicks should've kept him AND brought in Felton as an insurance policy.
in the end stephen a did say that the knicks sd have kept lin but too little too late - lin was on the same summer league as john wall -both put up roughly the same speed and stats but funnily enough john wall got a contract while lin only got a short term one with golden state. Now i wonder why that was? 2 guys with the same talent and only 1 gets all the praise and a guaranteed contract? and stephen a spent so much time dissing lin on all his faults as well -
Basketball is about thinking 1st & then Athletic ability, that is what J. LIN. is all about . He was hated on for his basketball I.Q..a damn shame for heads that’s say they love the game.
Here in 2021. NY should have kept Lin. Despite the knee injury & because he was still a rookie, the gigantic growing hype & fandom of Linsanity, not to mention the bball skills of Jeremy ... all that would have easily compensated for the luxury taxes with incoming profits because of the hype. Jeremy wanted to stay. He even called his agent to contact Houston to see if Houston could lower their offer so that NY could try to make an offer, but his agent wouldn't have none of it. I'm sure his agent gets (or got) a percentage of that Houston offer. However, once Lin left NY, somewhat amicably, he Tweeted his goodbyes. However, a lot of New Yorkers got angry at him for leaving, posting racist & discriminatory comments. What these people did not know at the time was that he left because NY did not give him an offer in the first place. What are you going to do? Basically only Houston gave him an offer, a huge offer that he could not refuse & an offer that no other NBA team could match. Oh well. Now Lin is back where he started from, the Warriors, although right now only in G-League minors. Perhaps he has come full circle. I hope he makes it back to the majors playing alongside his old pal Steph Curry from the 2010 Warriors days & creating a new dynasty with him.
Im a knicks fan, but we will forever be cursed for not Keeping LIN... smh.. Steven A is wrong on this.. The biggest prob I had is bring in J. Kidd and Felton...They did well for that one yr, but I saw all that coming.. Not the mention that Lin will continue to come to the Garden and kick our asses each time for the rest of his career. See he did it two yrs in a row where he outplayed ALL our Guards.
"..window opportunity with Melo".. and then 4 years have passed since then. "Did you see that kid, couldn't drive left, couldn't defend you, you, or you, and he's sitting up there talking about 85% bla bla bla" He drives to his left more than his right now, defended Wade in the playoff, defensive specialist coach Clifford says that his D is underrated, and he's been balling out, helping his team win.. oh, how things have changed.. Dude wasn't even "chasing money", Rockets were the only organization that offered him anything at all, what's he supposed to do? Beg the Knicks to keep him?
Lin is an awesome Asian American Derrick Rose. He has great court vision and an incredible drive to the basket. His overall game is great, but coaches need to start him for goodness sake! He should absolutely not be a bench player, its ridiculous! I predict he will improve his consistence, eventually becoming an elite NBA guard but later in his career he's gonna succumb to injuries like D. Rose. I really hope that doesn't happen but a player with that much drive and movement on the court is injury prone IMO. What do you guys think?
Well, I think he has the potential to be that great. As of right now he's not on that level but I believe he could potentially get there given his immense heart and drive to get better. He really needs to work on his defense though.
If anything he's the next Steve Nash, because he has nowhere near Rose's pure athleticism (Lin is not getting chasedown blocks, jumping out out the building, or throwing down cockbacks like Rose) I think his game resembles Nash in Nash's infancy stage, and if Lin continues to improve he can reach Nash's insane fundamental skills (don't forget Nash had 2 consecutive league MVPs)
Lol this is soo back and fourth. This video came out 2 years ago. Everyone last year was siding with Stephen A. Smith because of the season the Knicks had last season. This season when they suck, everyone is saying Stephen A doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm on neither side, but I just find this funny.
Stephen A apologized after watching Raymond Felton played! And the Knicks continued to lose until now (even losing the lottery of Zion Williamson). Meanwhile Jeremy got his ring with the Raptors and Melo has no ring and no team!
The only reason why I feel not bringing back Lin wasn't as much a mistake as many think is that it didn't seem that Carmelo and Lin could co-exist. It really came down to choosing between Lin and Melo. I agree with everything you said though.
Since than The Knicks haven't got a point guard like Jeremy Lin. I don't think people remember what happened. The Knicks were not even in the playoffs until Lin came in and we started winning. Not to mention Melo wasn't even playing because he was injured. If you ask me I think Lin left because Melo told them not to sign him. Knicks had D.Rose last year but he didn't do it like Lin did it nor did they make the playoffs
I think Lin would of progressed better in NY... not everyone has that Magic he has in the Garden. To his credit SAS admitted he was wrong about Mr Lin. Can't believe we chose Felton over Lin... I have enjoyed watching the Knicks Since Lin left ... Until Porzingis came home... I was SAS jr when we drafted Porzingis lol...
Imagine how well Lin would have played with Barnani. Right now Barnani is prob the best and most consistent knick on the court. All the knicks needed was Barnani, Chandler, and Lin and traded JR and Carmelo for solid shooters.
Since there are only 2-4 serious title contender every year on NBA, and Knicks definitely not one of em, they should really shift their focus from "winning everything" to "entertain and make money". Hence, they shouldve keep Lin
The entire's Miami Heat team focused on stopping him. Two plays with Mario and Noris cole stealing the ball wasn't the only defensive possessions that Lin struggled with. The Heat were trapping him hard on each possession, which was a team effort.
They should have made Lin their Franchise player he just pushes the momentum for the entire team and the team loves n trusts him unlike ball hog no ring melo xd
why does dolan do this shit to knicks fans? why does he pursue a point gaurd who never worked out the first time over a guy who was getting it done? why does he let up and coming chris copeland go? why does he trade a great 3 point shooter (who came in handy last year) for the worst #1 draft pick so far (sidenote, anyone slse notice the knicks are winning with bargnani out?) why sign a guy who A doesn't want to play here and B you will never play? why have rookie talent (mury, tyler, hardaway) and give 2 of those guys barely any minutes? regardless, GO KNICKS!
He doesn't have a choice, Felton was effective last year as a bakup to Kidd. Novak to Bargs is a good deal look at Novak now he cant even hit 3's anymore atleast they're getting something on bargs. Now I don't know why the hell they gave up a promising rookie.
mistake#1 trade for melo when he cannot play with amare #2 don't resign jeremy lin #3 get bargnani ....so far the only good decision they made is tyson chandler....
Lets be real. When Lin was with New York he was slightly overrated. Then when he was with the Rockets he actually proved himself to be a pretty good player. His story is amazing and Im happy for him! And I still think he shouldve started over Patrick Beverly cause Beverly is shitty compared to Lin lol
An ACL injury is NOT caused by playing exessive games, nor is it caused by wearing out of a ligament, that's what you call Tendonitis. An ACL tear is what it sounds like, tearing a ligmament, which is caused by sudden impact with a force that your ACL cannot sustain, thus tearing it. Same with a torn meniscus BTW. Which is the injury Lin sustained.
not only should have they kept him they should also have kept landry, jeffries and novak.. those guys just had such good karma together GOOD KARMA = TEAM CHEMISTRY = CHAMPIONSHIP.. the knicks lack soooo much drive and chemistry right now.
this is what i was going to say. many teams think they can get just big profiled dudes but what matters most is team chemistry and i personally (many times mentioned this repeatedly) believe that lin and fields had perfect chemistry with each other. look at brooklyn nets and ny knicks. look at indiana - all those non top 10-20 draft picks. whos winning? it's all chemistry
Justin Park i agree with you a 110%. perfect example of what we're talking about can be seen in the blazers. look at what they're doing in the west right now
and then melo complain about the team having no fighting spirit... its hard to build the team chemistry. if lin and novak were still there, they should be on the top 5 in the league by now. maybe that's an overstatement but we never knew.
Woodson probably had Felton come back. Lin didn’t have people in the org vouching for him because Linsanity was not part of their plan and as always, knicks plans never workout but they persisted they knew best.
Scoring wasn't all Lin could do. He was a decent passer and was great at kicking it out while driving to the basket. He was well suited to the iso-style offense NY had and also was great at the pnr with Chandler and Amare. The problem is Melo and Amare together, not Lin. Felton is not an upgrade on defense. Even Lin was better defensively last year than he was. Of course the Knicks depend on Melo/Stat. The issue is that they got Felton instead, which is stupid. Might as well have stuck w/ Lin.
LOL @ Raymond Felton who ends up shooting 15 shots to score 15 points. Stephen A. Smith just recently said after Lin's game back in NY was that Lin will PROBABLY be a SUPERSTAR in 3-4 years. Think about what SAS just said for a minute.
Dude you just said he's 85% ready , that means he not ready lool. Smart smart decision by Lin. Heat wasn't gonna lose to anyone so it really doesn't matter if Lin played in the playoff or not.
And you've shown to unnecessarily use the caps lock key. I stand corrected about Chris Paul being a free agent in 2015. As for Irving, he WILL be a free agent. As much as he'll be a restricted free agent, he can just as easily accept the one year qualifying offer to become a free agent the following year, in which case the Knicks could still have money to spend. The point is that the Knicks have plenty of better options than Lin to consider in the future.
Passing ability is the single most important skill a PG can have, Dribbling being the second; and Rondo is arguably the best and most creative in both. He makes both teams on the court play at his pace, and meticulously carves triple-doubles out of his opponents. Didn't you see the playoffs last year? He put up legendary numbers...against the Heat. As a person that watches the Celtics on a regular basis, I have to say: Don't judge a player who gets very little media praise. I'd take him over CP3
Steven A is wrong and he needs to accept that. Lin has shown more this year than Felton and he is still improving and Lin plays with a more ball dominating player than Melo right now.
Dolan isn't exactly a great owner, but the decision of not keeping Lin for the money they had to match was the right move in terms of preserving your cap. That 3rd year would have killed the Knicks.
From a pretty big Lin fan, it was mostly Harden who stabilized the Rockets and Lin was mostly shuffled to the sidelines. He did make a difference to helping them make the playoffs. In the coming days, Lin will need to step up if he's going to stay relevant in the Rockets.
Actually I know alot and the Knicks dont need a scoring point guard who is reckless with the ball, they need a high I.Q point guard who can execute plays and feed the ball to Carmelo, Amare, and Tyson
Lin had more scoring points then Lebron, Durant, and other stars in one season and he still got traded.... you can never win in this League unless you bring the elite more $$$
Had NY kept Lin, the hype of Linsanity could have easily paid back those luxury taxes because of, not only the hype, but because of Lin basketball skills. Was it perfect skills? No, but those 2 months of the Knicks with Lin as starting PG proved he had skills, skills that brought them back to 0.500, not just during the 7-game winning streak but all the wins they had weeks after that before his injury. Were there losing streaks? Yes, they had those too. But Jeremy proved he could play & could have stayed for next season. However, one variable that made Jeremy decide not to stay was D'Antoni leaving. Did Melo have anything to do with coach? I think so. The rumors were strong. The fact that Lin also had some teammates that became envious of him was also a factor in his decision. Look where Melo is now ... on a team (Portland) that is struggling & below 8th place in the West standings right before the pandemic quarantine hit. I can't believe Lillard even asked for him. In a perfect scenario, Lin should have stayed with NY for 2012-2013, with D'Antoni still there, and Melo either benched while Lin is on court, or Melo leaves NY altogether during the summer.
I agree with everything you said. I mean it just comes down to belief. No one believed in Jeremy Lin and it’s just sad what happened because there was tremendous potential in New York. It was the perfect system for Lin. Even in Houston Jeremy Lin was never the MAIN option. In New York he was. Look where melo is now. Still doesn’t have a ring and never will now with lebron and kd potentially in their primes. In a perfect world. They should’ve found a way to pay Lin to stay in New York. Period. It’s all speculation but melos jealousy was probably the reason d Antonio left. Hence there’s no way Lin’s staying if he’s gone.
@@anitelufalemei4200 ... New York was struggling at the beginning of that short season (lockout) where the 3 bigs (Anthony, Chandler, Stoudemire) that the Knicks put their big money on weren't gelling so well for the first couple of months maybe. I suppose that struggle alone set up what became LInsanity, as an almost-unknown named Lin stepped in, while the 3 bigs were pushed to the background, making what came next become one of the biggest news, though short-lived, in NBA history. Linsanity became a word in the English dictionary, as well as globally, 2 back to back covers on Sports Illustrated, etc. We all know the main reason Lin played so hard was because he was trying to prove himself before a deadline where he might get cut from the team. He was really the last guy on the bench & it was fate that gave him the chance. We can thank D'Antoni for giving him that chance on February 4, 2012, but at the same time, coach had no other options, so it's not like I'm going to fully thank him. Anyway, afaik, Lin has returned to the NBA, coming full circle back to GSW where he started. He turned down millions of dollars re-signing with Beijing just to get back to the NBA. Unfortunately, once again, no one still has enough "belief" in him, the word you mentioned, as he has been dumped to the G-League, at least I hope for now. Someone said that he's there to warm up & I hope that would be the case. I also hope he doesn't get injured again though. He never got injured last season in China, so maybe that's saying something, who knows. He's already known for being injury-riddle & it would be sad that he will be remembered for that in history, most especially the debacle that happened when he couldn't play during round 1 playoffs in the Knicks 2011-2012 season & even the fans were hard on him. So, I say good luck, I have some patience... for now, lol.
These supposed "insiders" got all the "inside information" wrong. According to Lin, he asked his agent to lower the demand, so that the Knicks can match what Houston was offering. He didn't want to leave N.Y. The Knicks never made an offer to him.
Of course Lin made the Knicks a better team, you're speaking to the choir. However, people who say Lin's contract would have cost the Knicks way too much is ridiculous considering that the Knicks have reached the $100 million mark way before Lin. Lin can easily help make that up off-court, for him and his teammates. The Knicks also could have helped develop Lin develop much faster with the addition of Jason Kidd and Prigoni, who both could have worked with Lin on his weaknesses.
How would it be preserving the cap when they would have been over the cap to begin with? Plus not only would Lin's contract come off the books, but many of the bigger contracts would come off too which means after that 3rd year, the Knicks could completely rebuild again with tons of cap space if they chose. Dolan spent in the $100 million range with crappy ass teams. Lin would have made the Knicks franchise way more money than his contract was worth.
There is no guarantee that Lin will live up to his "potential" but you're steadfast in your opinion that he will, although there is nothing to really justify it. On the other hand, New York remains the business capital of the world and a way for athletes to radically transform their financial forecast for the better. That, along with a ton of cap space to sign other free agents is a hell of an incentive to come to NY.
The Knicks did the right thing. Lin was simply an offensive player (made a couple of good defensive plays here and there) but he needed the ball to be productive like Melo and Stat. Felton and Stat are clearly the better fit. Stat should be ecstatic because do you know what this means? He gets to run the pick and roll with Felton and either dunk it or kick it out to Melo on the wing. Lin is a good player but I think Felton is the better fit here. (Less expensive too!)
Word! The attention alone that the Knicks would get for having Lin would have paid for his salary and some! Not to mention the motivational aspect. Honestly though I blame Carmelo, it doesn't matter what team it is, no team will ever win a championship with Carmelo on that team. I just wish we got Lin to come to Dallas and not Houston!
Time proved Stephen A right. The Knicks were a better team 2012-2013 than they were the previous year with Lin. And 14 million a year is about the same amount you'd pay a Nene Hilario so Lin is not really worth that amount.
It says a lot when instead of defending an opinion, a person starts with the name calling. Your name calling does not prove what you say is right. Based on what evidence do you have that a young promising point guard who has a large international fan base not deserve the amount Lin was paid.
Bigger bust than Greg Oden with Portland? That is just ridiculous. Greg Oden was the #1 pick, expected to be a big time All-star. One of the best upcoming centers in the NBA. Injuries derailed his career. While with Lin, he was undrafted and NOBODY expected him to do anything and he came out and actually exceeded expectations. Lin's emergence helped his team when they were struggling and at the bottom of the East. No way is his career a bigger bust than Oden's! lol
when the team became structure.... Lin was reduce to a average player who could'nt control a half court set the correct way.. He was too methodical,Picked up his dribble at half and required melo to be the primary handler. He could'nt get to any spot on the floor unless he was speedballing straight to the paint. As a PG you are not supposed to trip up and slip all over the place when you get insdie the key.... His indecisiveness is his achilles. Felton is a better decision maker and it will show
I disagree, Lin I think will get better, but he is turnover prone, if he can get that fixed and for the Rockets can average 15 and 8 atleast, he will be good. Jason Kidd for one is the better option, he can be a leader, is a veteran, has experience, is a playmaker and not turnover prone. Only problem is Kidd is close to retirement and I wouldn't choose Felton as the Knicks future PG. Plus this season, Lin will start and is the face of the Rocket's franchise so alot of pressure of him.
Jeremy Lin would have also got more NY deals from the Asia market, which isn't necessarily shared by the league. Not only that, Lin getting attention also means his teammates get attention which means more individual deals for his teammates. It would have been an all-around piggy bank for them.
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Two different First Take worlds collide as Max and Skip are across from one another. Kind of crazy to watch this today.
and of course what did Skip do. never wanting toshy away from the moment, he immediately challenged Max to a fight....lol
Absolutely
And the episode where Shannon was on First Take with Skip and Shannon.
@@IWantToMature85where can I find this
When max was a rookie 😂
He still a rookie lmao
Never thought I’d see the day skip bay less and Stephen a smith would be together.
@@maxdyer6727 they were together for years!
He learned from the bests
@Truth Teller what is name of this show?
Never knew Max Kellerman was on first take before he became a full timer.
Seeing this in 2019 is crazy lmaooo
Jeremy lin is such a wonderful player. I hope he wins a championship one day
@@KDD8 He just did... as a bench player though.
@@bx3054 It's a joke BX
B X are you?
I know. Damn Max is there before he became Max
once melo came back the team sucked..
4 years later bombed in okc and Houston
agree
Its trying to fine a team now and lin will sign with Toronto
I wish I could triple thumbs up on that because wherever Melo goes, he brings the team down because he only thinks for himself. Selfish player does not win and he proves it.
@@phillip6919851 yea you are dumb
If NY would have resign Jeremy Lin I believe Lin would have became a all star player they should have released or traded Melo in 2012
Melo to Wolves in 2012 would prefect Love + Melo lit
They would've needed D'ANTONI honestly. D'ANTONI system was a tailor made system for Lin to run it.
Melo is a cancer to the knicks and D'Antoni. they are by far performs so much better without melo vs with melo.
The guy wants Iso all the time but he cant produce results. Maybe the knicks shouldve realized that Melo needs to tone it down and become a role player.
Lmaaaao what??
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Believe it or not, #1 Lin hater Stephen A. Smith is now saying the Knicks should have kept Jeremy Lin because of the way Felton is playing. Amazing...lol.
King The Great. Salavan ikr! SAS is racist against Hispanics and Asians
Honestly I saw the clip, and it feels like with how he was carrying on and the tone of voice, he's joking about wanting him back
Stephen A. just wasn't willing to give Lin enough credit even when Linsanity was the main reason that the Knicks "survived" that roller-coaster season and managed to make it to the playoff.. He often shot far-fetched critics at Lin as if Lin were a veteran or something (like he "can't go to the left")...i mean come on, that was literally Lin's first year playing... just ignore the 2 seasons he spent looking after the towels and the gatorade cups.
Shit why tf i found you here Xiao, i thought you only live in DBFZ training room lmao
@@lifeofapotato4595 Oh I wasn't playing any fighting game 6 years ago :D
SAS racist, race-baiting pontificator. Panders to his ilk.
Oh shit skip and max in the same room
Knicks downfall started by letting Jeremy Lin go.
Agreed
Started when D'Antoni was forced out.
Stop it
Started 20 years ago lmao they never reach a high enough point for a downfall
Went 54-28 the next year
I don't think Harden likes playing with Lin because they bang heads with who controls the ball. They both think differently. I think this will ultimately be the downfall of the Rockets. The Knicks however played so well with JLin, the chemistry was almost hard to believe until you saw it. It's almost like people were hoping Melo would stay injured, lol.
i give Lin a lot of credit on that regard.. he really adjusted a lot of his game in accordance to Harden's. ... e.g. for some reason Harden has this very bad habit of throwing last second passes to nearby teammates, and those rushed shots normally ended up bricking... but for this season, Lin managed to score on many of those passes, and you can tell his effort made in the off-season on shooting.
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8 years ago, and even to this day...Harden can't play well with anyone, and it's showing, and now that is physical capabilities are going down instead of up, this will show even more so. Some people just want to BE THE GUY and not allow anyone there, which is sad.
Melo couldn't handle Lin's success. Too bad. Might have been an interesting combo...and Lin doesn't have CA's self destructive ego.
I am OK with the Knicks didn't match Lin contract.
But they should at least offer Lin a contract (about 5-6M per year) first.
Instead, they chased Nash and told Lin to test the market.
They had no respect to him in signing process.
thats why that franchise staying ringless lol
This aged well. My boy Lin is a champion on my Raptors
He says he didn't really earn that championship, because he was a bench player, saw so few minutes, it would have made no difference if he weren't on the roster - they'd win without him.
Garbage take. He barley even played for Toronto. Stephen A was always right about Lin
Here's my problem with SAS: he doesn't like Jeremy Lin NOT because he's Asain; he doesn't like him because he's an outsider. Lin didn't take the same route of NBA players. He often represents the unspoken voice of many players in this league - which is why he hardly calls out the big names if they underperform (but he will call lesser known guys scrubs and bums). And many of those players have secretly and publicly voiced their displeasure about his popularity and coverage. He also allows the LINSANITY hype to cloud his judgement. A year and a half later does he feel the same way about Felton and whether or not the Knicks should've chosen him over Lin? He'll probably say yes, but if he's honest he'd acknowledge the Knicks should've kept him AND brought in Felton as an insurance policy.
in the end stephen a did say that the knicks sd have kept lin but too little too late - lin was on the same summer league as john wall -both put up roughly the same speed and stats but funnily enough john wall got a contract while lin only got a short term one with golden state. Now i wonder why that was? 2 guys with the same talent and only 1 gets all the praise and a guaranteed contract? and stephen a spent so much time dissing lin on all his faults as well -
Zaviay Taylor that’s fucking stupid. You put way to much. Thought into something that makes absolutely no sense
Basketball is about thinking 1st & then Athletic ability, that is what J. LIN. is all about . He was hated on for his basketball I.Q..a damn shame for heads that’s say they love the game.
Here in 2021. NY should have kept Lin. Despite the knee injury & because he was still a rookie, the gigantic growing hype & fandom of Linsanity, not to mention the bball skills of Jeremy ... all that would have easily compensated for the luxury taxes with incoming profits because of the hype. Jeremy wanted to stay. He even called his agent to contact Houston to see if Houston could lower their offer so that NY could try to make an offer, but his agent wouldn't have none of it. I'm sure his agent gets (or got) a percentage of that Houston offer. However, once Lin left NY, somewhat amicably, he Tweeted his goodbyes. However, a lot of New Yorkers got angry at him for leaving, posting racist & discriminatory comments. What these people did not know at the time was that he left because NY did not give him an offer in the first place. What are you going to do? Basically only Houston gave him an offer, a huge offer that he could not refuse & an offer that no other NBA team could match. Oh well. Now Lin is back where he started from, the Warriors, although right now only in G-League minors. Perhaps he has come full circle. I hope he makes it back to the majors playing alongside his old pal Steph Curry from the 2010 Warriors days & creating a new dynasty with him.
This is a big time panel
I’d give a years salary to see all 4 of these guys to be the main cast of First Take now
Molly is fine and all but I kinda prefer this set up for First Take
+ChrisC11 yeah man..this is great debate..Molly just acts like a mediator and breaks up debates..this is no holds barred lol..great debate
First Take was at its best when Jay was the moderator. He actually had funny lines occasionally.
this comment did NOT age well
@@manlikezach Lmao 😂
@@manlikezach haha no one likes Molly
Lol max, Stephen a, and skip together
Watching SAS and Max’s 1st time together, as Max is leaving First Take. Really sad day
Wow crazy to see Max and Skip at the same table. We need Shannon here
This was peak Kellerman
Stephen A. Smith talking about Felton like he was gonna be the best piece for the NYK. And now what?
Im a knicks fan, but we will forever be cursed for not Keeping LIN... smh.. Steven A is wrong on this.. The biggest prob I had is bring in J. Kidd and Felton...They did well for that one yr, but I saw all that coming.. Not the mention that Lin will continue to come to the Garden and kick our asses each time for the rest of his career. See he did it two yrs in a row where he outplayed ALL our Guards.
Fast forward to now and the Knicks still cursed lol
damn this panel is lit
I miss the days of Linsanity and Tebowmania
"..window opportunity with Melo".. and then 4 years have passed since then.
"Did you see that kid, couldn't drive left, couldn't defend you, you, or you, and he's sitting up there talking about 85% bla bla bla" He drives to his left more than his right now, defended Wade in the playoff, defensive specialist coach Clifford says that his D is underrated, and he's been balling out, helping his team win.. oh, how things have changed..
Dude wasn't even "chasing money", Rockets were the only organization that offered him anything at all, what's he supposed to do? Beg the Knicks to keep him?
Aaron Koh Stephen knows nothing!
Replace Marcellus Wiley with Shannon and we will have the biggest merger since ABA/NBA
Lol that's funny
He’s been on first take a bunch, all fs1 employees came thru these shows lol
Jamirimaj 😂😂😂
Wow Max Kellerman and skip Bayless at the same debate desk. This video is priceless. Money in the bank
Stephen A knucklhead....Felton suspended 4 games for gun charges 9/7/2014
look at the knicks now
Lmao yeah look at the knicks now
Stilll trash 6 years later
@@1ZosoLZ look at the knicks now
seeing this in 2020 is crazy 😭😭😭
The Knicks should call J Lin apologize and sign him for the rebuild... the Fans would get behind this.
Why would apologize to an average NBA player?
Lin is an awesome Asian American Derrick Rose. He has great court vision and an incredible drive to the basket. His overall game is great, but coaches need to start him for goodness sake! He should absolutely not be a bench player, its ridiculous! I predict he will improve his consistence, eventually becoming an elite NBA guard but later in his career he's gonna succumb to injuries like D. Rose. I really hope that doesn't happen but a player with that much drive and movement on the court is injury prone IMO. What do you guys think?
woah, saying hes close to d rose is going overboard.
Well, I think he has the potential to be that great. As of right now he's not on that level but I believe he could potentially get there given his immense heart and drive to get better. He really needs to work on his defense though.
If anything he's the next Steve Nash, because he has nowhere near Rose's pure athleticism (Lin is not getting chasedown blocks, jumping out out the building, or throwing down cockbacks like Rose) I think his game resembles Nash in Nash's infancy stage, and if Lin continues to improve he can reach Nash's insane fundamental skills (don't forget Nash had 2 consecutive league MVPs)
Nash is a far better shooter, passer and dribbler than Lin ever was.
The only thing you got right is that Lin would succumb to his injuries 😂😂😂😂
Lol this is soo back and fourth. This video came out 2 years ago. Everyone last year was siding with Stephen A. Smith because of the season the Knicks had last season. This season when they suck, everyone is saying Stephen A doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm on neither side, but I just find this funny.
Stephen A apologized after watching Raymond Felton played! And the Knicks continued to lose until now (even losing the lottery of Zion Williamson). Meanwhile Jeremy got his ring with the Raptors and Melo has no ring and no team!
skip: what knowledge did i drop on you! LOL HAHA
The only reason why I feel not bringing back Lin wasn't as much a mistake as many think is that it didn't seem that Carmelo and Lin could co-exist. It really came down to choosing between Lin and Melo. I agree with everything you said though.
Max skip Stephen a on the same show that’s wild
Since than The Knicks haven't got a point guard like Jeremy Lin. I don't think people remember what happened. The Knicks were not even in the playoffs until Lin came in and we started winning. Not to mention Melo wasn't even playing because he was injured. If you ask me I think Lin left because Melo told them not to sign him. Knicks had D.Rose last year but he didn't do it like Lin did it nor did they make the playoffs
I think Lin would of progressed better in NY... not everyone has that Magic he has in the Garden. To his credit SAS admitted he was wrong about Mr Lin. Can't believe we chose Felton over Lin... I have enjoyed watching the Knicks Since Lin left ... Until Porzingis came home... I was SAS jr when we drafted Porzingis lol...
SKIP SAID HE WANTED TO FIGHT HIN THEN MAX TOOK HIS JOB💀💀
That’s why he wanted to fight him. He was making moves on skip like he did on Larry.
Imagine how well Lin would have played with Barnani.
Right now Barnani is prob the best and most consistent knick on the court.
All the knicks needed was Barnani, Chandler, and Lin and traded JR and Carmelo for solid shooters.
This definitely didn't age well.
Since there are only 2-4 serious title contender every year on NBA, and Knicks definitely not one of em, they should really shift their focus from "winning everything" to "entertain and make money". Hence, they shouldve keep Lin
He didn't shut Kobe down, it's Landry&Shampurt, but it is Lin who led the team to victory.
Knicks gonna sign KD and Kyrie, 10 years from now when they about to retire.
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Xerolimitation 🤣🤣😂
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The entire's Miami Heat team focused on stopping him. Two plays with Mario and Noris cole stealing the ball wasn't the only defensive possessions that Lin struggled with. The Heat were trapping him hard on each possession, which was a team effort.
How crazy how skip and marcellus went to fox and sas axed max now..sas seems like he always was a hater 😂
They should have made Lin their Franchise player he just pushes the momentum for the entire team and the team loves n trusts him unlike ball hog no ring melo xd
why does dolan do this shit to knicks fans?
why does he pursue a point gaurd who never worked out the first time over a guy who was getting it done?
why does he let up and coming chris copeland go?
why does he trade a great 3 point shooter (who came in handy last year) for the worst #1 draft pick so far (sidenote, anyone slse notice the knicks are winning with bargnani out?)
why sign a guy who A doesn't want to play here and B you will never play?
why have rookie talent (mury, tyler, hardaway) and give 2 of those guys barely any minutes?
regardless, GO KNICKS!
Because it would be stupid to give Lin 25mil dude hes worth 15 3yrs.
thats true. but still he didnt have to let copeland leave, trade Novak, reaquire felton and sign beno udrih
He doesn't have a choice, Felton was effective last year as a bakup to Kidd. Novak to Bargs is a good deal look at Novak now he cant even hit 3's anymore atleast they're getting something on bargs. Now I don't know why the hell they gave up a promising rookie.
mistake#1 trade for melo when he cannot play with amare
#2 don't resign jeremy lin
#3 get bargnani
....so far the only good decision they made is tyson chandler....
Lets be real. When Lin was with New York he was slightly overrated. Then when he was with the Rockets he actually proved himself to be a pretty good player. His story is amazing and Im happy for him! And I still think he shouldve started over Patrick Beverly cause Beverly is shitty compared to Lin lol
An ACL injury is NOT caused by playing exessive games, nor is it caused by wearing out of a ligament, that's what you call Tendonitis. An ACL tear is what it sounds like, tearing a ligmament, which is caused by sudden impact with a force that your ACL cannot sustain, thus tearing it. Same with a torn meniscus BTW. Which is the injury Lin sustained.
Wow this was a cool segment imagine getting these guys together now in 2024
not only should have they kept him they should also have kept landry, jeffries and novak.. those guys just had such good karma together GOOD KARMA = TEAM CHEMISTRY = CHAMPIONSHIP.. the knicks lack soooo much drive and chemistry right now.
this is what i was going to say. many teams think they can get just big profiled dudes but what matters most is team chemistry and i personally (many times mentioned this repeatedly) believe that lin and fields had perfect chemistry with each other. look at brooklyn nets and ny knicks. look at indiana - all those non top 10-20 draft picks. whos winning? it's all chemistry
Justin Park i agree with you a 110%. perfect example of what we're talking about can be seen in the blazers. look at what they're doing in the west right now
and then melo complain about the team having no fighting spirit... its hard to build the team chemistry. if lin and novak were still there, they should be on the top 5 in the league by now. maybe that's an overstatement but we never knew.
yuuuuuuup!!! thats when they started sucking.
i think the knicks have the worst management in all of NBA
Lin was a baller. They messed up by letting him go. Mello had something to do with it.
and yesterday Jeremey beat Melo with his own team the Brooklyn Nets....the come back kid
Woodson probably had Felton come back. Lin didn’t have people in the org vouching for him because Linsanity was not part of their plan and as always, knicks plans never workout but they persisted they knew best.
All these guys are some of the top paid media stars now, salute!!!!!!!
Scoring wasn't all Lin could do. He was a decent passer and was great at kicking it out while driving to the basket. He was well suited to the iso-style offense NY had and also was great at the pnr with Chandler and Amare. The problem is Melo and Amare together, not Lin. Felton is not an upgrade on defense. Even Lin was better defensively last year than he was. Of course the Knicks depend on Melo/Stat. The issue is that they got Felton instead, which is stupid. Might as well have stuck w/ Lin.
Who would think 8 years later Wiley would have the best show out of all of them 😭
LOL @ Raymond Felton who ends up shooting 15 shots to score 15 points.
Stephen A. Smith just recently said after Lin's game back in NY was that Lin will PROBABLY be a SUPERSTAR in 3-4 years. Think about what SAS just said for a minute.
Before max snaked us
Stephen A said this ain't the Max and Marcellus show lol but now its the Max K and Stephen A show
The funny thing is the Steven A was right all along. Lin got exposed when he went to Houston and LA
The 4 kingpins 😂😂😂😂
Dude you just said he's 85% ready , that means he not ready lool. Smart smart decision by Lin. Heat wasn't gonna lose to anyone so it really doesn't matter if Lin played in the playoff or not.
And you've shown to unnecessarily use the caps lock key. I stand corrected about Chris Paul being a free agent in 2015. As for Irving, he WILL be a free agent. As much as he'll be a restricted free agent, he can just as easily accept the one year qualifying offer to become a free agent the following year, in which case the Knicks could still have money to spend. The point is that the Knicks have plenty of better options than Lin to consider in the future.
Passing ability is the single most important skill a PG can have, Dribbling being the second; and Rondo is arguably the best and most creative in both. He makes both teams on the court play at his pace, and meticulously carves triple-doubles out of his opponents. Didn't you see the playoffs last year? He put up legendary numbers...against the Heat. As a person that watches the Celtics on a regular basis, I have to say: Don't judge a player who gets very little media praise. I'd take him over CP3
Steven A is wrong and he needs to accept that. Lin has shown more this year than Felton and he is still improving and Lin plays with a more ball dominating player than Melo right now.
Dolan isn't exactly a great owner, but the decision of not keeping Lin for the money they had to match was the right move in terms of preserving your cap. That 3rd year would have killed the Knicks.
My boy Lin really made something out of nothing
And Ray wasn’t as bad as I used to say 💯
From a pretty big Lin fan, it was mostly Harden who stabilized the Rockets and Lin was mostly shuffled to the sidelines. He did make a difference to helping them make the playoffs.
In the coming days, Lin will need to step up if he's going to stay relevant in the Rockets.
Such a fun comment to read from the future 😅
Actually I know alot and the Knicks dont need a scoring point guard who is reckless with the ball, they need a high I.Q point guard who can execute plays and feed the ball to Carmelo, Amare, and Tyson
Dam if these four were still on espn first take, I would watch it everyday.
Lin had more scoring points then Lebron, Durant, and other stars in one season and he still got traded.... you can never win in this League unless you bring the elite more $$$
great panel
This is a classic
Had NY kept Lin, the hype of Linsanity could have easily paid back those luxury taxes because of, not only the hype, but because of Lin basketball skills. Was it perfect skills? No, but those 2 months of the Knicks with Lin as starting PG proved he had skills, skills that brought them back to 0.500, not just during the 7-game winning streak but all the wins they had weeks after that before his injury. Were there losing streaks? Yes, they had those too. But Jeremy proved he could play & could have stayed for next season. However, one variable that made Jeremy decide not to stay was D'Antoni leaving. Did Melo have anything to do with coach? I think so. The rumors were strong. The fact that Lin also had some teammates that became envious of him was also a factor in his decision. Look where Melo is now ... on a team (Portland) that is struggling & below 8th place in the West standings right before the pandemic quarantine hit. I can't believe Lillard even asked for him. In a perfect scenario, Lin should have stayed with NY for 2012-2013, with D'Antoni still there, and Melo either benched while Lin is on court, or Melo leaves NY altogether during the summer.
I agree with everything you said. I mean it just comes down to belief. No one believed in Jeremy Lin and it’s just sad what happened because there was tremendous potential in New York. It was the perfect system for Lin. Even in Houston Jeremy Lin was never the MAIN option. In New York he was. Look where melo is now. Still doesn’t have a ring and never will now with lebron and kd potentially in their primes. In a perfect world. They should’ve found a way to pay Lin to stay in New York. Period. It’s all speculation but melos jealousy was probably the reason d Antonio left. Hence there’s no way Lin’s staying if he’s gone.
@@anitelufalemei4200 ... New York was struggling at the beginning of that short season (lockout) where the 3 bigs (Anthony, Chandler, Stoudemire) that the Knicks put their big money on weren't gelling so well for the first couple of months maybe. I suppose that struggle alone set up what became LInsanity, as an almost-unknown named Lin stepped in, while the 3 bigs were pushed to the background, making what came next become one of the biggest news, though short-lived, in NBA history. Linsanity became a word in the English dictionary, as well as globally, 2 back to back covers on Sports Illustrated, etc. We all know the main reason Lin played so hard was because he was trying to prove himself before a deadline where he might get cut from the team. He was really the last guy on the bench & it was fate that gave him the chance. We can thank D'Antoni for giving him that chance on February 4, 2012, but at the same time, coach had no other options, so it's not like I'm going to fully thank him. Anyway, afaik, Lin has returned to the NBA, coming full circle back to GSW where he started. He turned down millions of dollars re-signing with Beijing just to get back to the NBA. Unfortunately, once again, no one still has enough "belief" in him, the word you mentioned, as he has been dumped to the G-League, at least I hope for now. Someone said that he's there to warm up & I hope that would be the case. I also hope he doesn't get injured again though. He never got injured last season in China, so maybe that's saying something, who knows. He's already known for being injury-riddle & it would be sad that he will be remembered for that in history, most especially the debacle that happened when he couldn't play during round 1 playoffs in the Knicks 2011-2012 season & even the fans were hard on him. So, I say good luck, I have some patience... for now, lol.
These supposed "insiders" got all the "inside information" wrong. According to Lin, he asked his agent to lower the demand, so that the Knicks can match what Houston was offering. He didn't want to leave N.Y. The Knicks never made an offer to him.
seriously right, it's actually statistically proven that a team does worst with carmelo in it. smh..
I Agree with Stephen A Smith. Raymond Felton will shock the NBA when he comes back to NY.
Of course Lin made the Knicks a better team, you're speaking to the choir. However, people who say Lin's contract would have cost the Knicks way too much is ridiculous considering that the Knicks have reached the $100 million mark way before Lin. Lin can easily help make that up off-court, for him and his teammates.
The Knicks also could have helped develop Lin develop much faster with the addition of Jason Kidd and Prigoni, who both could have worked with Lin on his weaknesses.
How would it be preserving the cap when they would have been over the cap to begin with? Plus not only would Lin's contract come off the books, but many of the bigger contracts would come off too which means after that 3rd year, the Knicks could completely rebuild again with tons of cap space if they chose.
Dolan spent in the $100 million range with crappy ass teams. Lin would have made the Knicks franchise way more money than his contract was worth.
There is no guarantee that Lin will live up to his "potential" but you're steadfast in your opinion that he will, although there is nothing to really justify it. On the other hand, New York remains the business capital of the world and a way for athletes to radically transform their financial forecast for the better. That, along with a ton of cap space to sign other free agents is a hell of an incentive to come to NY.
As a Knicks fan if they keep playing like they have been then Lin doesn't really matter to me .
Felton also had coach D'Antoni the last time you said he played like an "All-Star". Double-standard.
Jason Kidd is definitely not garbage also. He's a Hall of Famer.
The Knicks did the right thing. Lin was simply an offensive player (made a couple of good defensive plays here and there) but he needed the ball to be productive like Melo and Stat. Felton and Stat are clearly the better fit. Stat should be ecstatic because do you know what this means? He gets to run the pick and roll with Felton and either dunk it or kick it out to Melo on the wing. Lin is a good player but I think Felton is the better fit here. (Less expensive too!)
Word! The attention alone that the Knicks would get for having Lin would have paid for his salary and some! Not to mention the motivational aspect. Honestly though I blame Carmelo, it doesn't matter what team it is, no team will ever win a championship with Carmelo on that team. I just wish we got Lin to come to Dallas and not Houston!
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where it all started
Time proved Stephen A right. The Knicks were a better team 2012-2013 than they were the previous year with Lin. And 14 million a year is about the same amount you'd pay a Nene Hilario so Lin is not really worth that amount.
+King The Great. Salavan you know that what we're discussing here is the immediate effect (2012-2013 season) of Lin's departure, right?
It says a lot when instead of defending an opinion, a person starts with the name calling. Your name calling does not prove what you say is right. Based on what evidence do you have that a young promising point guard who has a large international fan base not deserve the amount Lin was paid.
Max Kellerman should be the next GM of the Knicks.
Bigger bust than Greg Oden with Portland? That is just ridiculous. Greg Oden was the #1 pick, expected to be a big time All-star. One of the best upcoming centers in the NBA. Injuries derailed his career. While with Lin, he was undrafted and NOBODY expected him to do anything and he came out and actually exceeded expectations. Lin's emergence helped his team when they were struggling and at the bottom of the East. No way is his career a bigger bust than Oden's! lol
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i dont get why SAS keeps bashing Lin on "85%". Even if he played in the playoffs, the Heat would have still kicked their ass.
when the team became structure.... Lin was reduce to a average player who could'nt control a half court set the correct way.. He was too methodical,Picked up his dribble at half and required melo to be the primary handler. He could'nt get to any spot on the floor unless he was speedballing straight to the paint. As a PG you are not supposed to trip up and slip all over the place when you get insdie the key.... His indecisiveness is his achilles. Felton is a better decision maker and it will show
I disagree, Lin I think will get better, but he is turnover prone, if he can get that fixed and for the Rockets can average 15 and 8 atleast, he will be good. Jason Kidd for one is the better option, he can be a leader, is a veteran, has experience, is a playmaker and not turnover prone. Only problem is Kidd is close to retirement and I wouldn't choose Felton as the Knicks future PG. Plus this season, Lin will start and is the face of the Rocket's franchise so alot of pressure of him.
Jeremy Lin would have also got more NY deals from the Asia market, which isn't necessarily shared by the league. Not only that, Lin getting attention also means his teammates get attention which means more individual deals for his teammates. It would have been an all-around piggy bank for them.