This is my third video dedicated to the Subaru, with more to come :) Picking up the BRZ! th-cam.com/video/NY3-MlRbI4o/w-d-xo.html BRZ clutch failure nightmare! th-cam.com/video/gQIigukuulQ/w-d-xo.html Or in the meantime, join us on Discord and watch it all go down in realtime: discord.gg/goherping
bro im not sure if u saw my comment asking for more brz vids but thank u the car is so sick i was so upset you only did one vid then left us blueballed without anymore on it lol
4:48 there are laws in most states that prevent shops from “modifying” catalytic converters. If this came to our shop, legally the only thing we can do is replace it. Also the car doesnt know/care if there are exhaust leaks after the downstream oxygen sensor. Editing at 6:54. Omg i cant believe they didnt even put gaskets where it bolts to the engine🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ i really wonder if they thought it didnt need them😂
All by the book technicalities aside, a welder repairing that cold lap, under filled seam failure will not only make the car pass emissions legitimately, but even an amateur welder can make that repair with zero threat of visual detection by a state inspector.
I would leave the stock headers on for the moment and take the JDL headers to a different shop to have them weld that up, then you can put them back on. I would also get a tune, you need it to take full advantage of the headers. Headers and a tune are the fix for that 3.5k-4.5k torque dip that you are experiencing with the stock headers. You can see why most people get rid of the stock headers.
the stock headers are truly the saddest car part of all time. it's possible the car is already tuned to the JDL but i'm not sure - I guess i gotta get a tuner computer thingie, or find one I can borrow lol
Hey Alex, love to see this variety on the channel. I recently bought a 2019 Subaru WRX limited with 37k miles and had an almost exact situation to you! Previous owner replaced the exhaust and air intake without tuning anything and now the air to fuel ratio is incorrect and I can’t afford to tune or fix the issue and I know if I do, it will be slow and depressing. I’m excited to see more of this journey going forward!!
I had the same thing with my WRX I bought it with the first owner installing the Cobb intake wrong causing the car to run extremely rich If I was you I would get a stock intake and then save up for the accessport it’s a must have and then get a tune I get tuned by dmantuning very good tuner that knows everything about our cars Hope this helps a little bit
An exhaust makes almost zero difference to the speed of the car, it just feels slow because its not as loud. That's why Honda owners put 150db exhausts on their rice boxes and think they are really fast.
Before you become yet another "Subarus just blow up" guy on youtube, for the love of god, if there are ANY aftermarket parts that touch air, get it tuned immediately. The fact it's been running lean enough to throw a code is REALLY BAD. This isn't a Honda, you don't just throw parts on the car and hope for the best. After you get it repaired so that the codes go away, I'd honestly just take it to the nearest tuner, have them look it over, and then get their take on whether or not it needs a tune. If the previous owner tuned it for the performance headers and then tuned it, then you would need to use the exact same headers to avoid tuning. If he didn't, then you want the stock headers. Either way, if the tuner thinks you need a tune, have $500 ready to throw down. If they say you need one and you don't tune it, every engine problem you have after that point is 100% your fault and preventable. Don't be that guy.
I should mention, it is generally accepted that a cat-back exhaust won't need a tune. So I wouldn't worry about that, but everything from the intake to the cat needs to be inspected to see if it's aftermarket.
not to mention pushing it on a cold engine, subie engines (especially the brz one) can be reliable, but they got to be treated and maintained right for sure. the brz engines in my experience are bulletproof, had a buddy who redlined it multiple times a day and saw absolutely no issues, but he had a 2020. ended up selling it, but no matter what he did, he even raised the rev limit to 8,000 around there and never saw any issues. was a blast to drive that thing
Its naturally aspirated and only had like 200 horsepower from factory, i cant see the headers adding more than 20 hp... The revs might happen and fall a little quicker but power wise i think the sound is just making you think its fast lol
its seriously quicker, I'll post some numbers in the near future - that's why i was so surprised. like how could headers possibly change it so much? but getting to, say 100mph, almost never happened stock. but now it's before im even merged from the onramp
It's running lean, which actually generates more power. It also puts him a hell of a lot closer to detonation without a tune. He's going to blow it up at this rate, and he'll probably blame it on subaru. 🙄
@@GoHerping I guess it really helps it breathe at the higher rpms. Funnily enough I had a turbo car with a manual transmission, I bought a 3 inch downpipe with a super free flowing cat, the car had 3 little ones stock so it drastically opened up the exhaust. Kind of dumb on my part as it really only helped at higher rpm, and I say dumb because I drove the car like a grandma and actually having no back pressure hurt my spooling at low rpms lol.
headers alone without a tune wont do much, but headers and a proper tune or OFT tune will add i think it was 20-30? on a 93 tune at least. while an e85 tune was showing around 40 hp gains, but that was about the limit on these cars. they really like e85 i guess
I just seen a video on another channel of that exact jack stand failing and dropping the car. I don’t know any good brands besides the obvious ones that are extremely over priced lmao.
@@GoHerpingI’m from England so can’t really recommend a specific one as I don’t think you’d be able to get them there but I would suggest watching Project Farms video on testing floor jacks. I’m sure they’ll be one in his video you’d be able to buy.
@@GoHerping go get a daytona jack, they are made by the same people who also make the snap-on jacks. also please learn how to jack up a car properly so you don't damage your car or hurt yourself in the process.
I feel your pain, I went through a ton of stuff like this with my first wrx last year. Its a pain to learn it, but it's super worth it in the end. You'll get this thing dialed In and it'll feel amazing. Best of luck with it
Looking at the invoice, it looks like around $1k for the headers plus misc parts plus like two hours of labor. I think the labor is too high, but that'd only save you about $125 if they did it in one hour. Not super crazy all things considered for new headers.
So I've modified NA Subarus before for a while. Long tube equal-length headers plus an open-source custom tune gives you the most gains, but it's not much for a lot of money. Ebay ELs are fine and cheap enough. EL headers on Subarus don't sound great, but they sound much better with a Nameless Performance axle back exhaust, 4" or 5" cans. Long tube unequal-length gives noticeably more torque in the lower RPMs, with a slight power loss at the top end. But they sound awesome. Another drawback is cylinder #4 won't like it after a long time and hard driving, it makes #4 run a bit hotter. Both require proper tunes, and I would recommend going open-source if possible. On the older Subarus you're able to use a Tactrix cable and ECUFlash to grab the ECU's .bin file, send it off to a remote tuning shop. Go back and forth a few times with logs and revisions. And after a couple hundred bucks you have a tune, plus tons of features for OFFROAD USE ONLY that you can flash to your ECU. Big one being turning off any codes if you go catless. Also, big tip with jacking up Subarus, do not jack from the sides. There is a jack-plate underneath the front subframe, behind the oil pan, sometimes the steering rack. Should be like that for all FA and EJ motors. Jack it up, lower the sides onto jack stands. For jacking up the rear, just use the rear differential. No more crushed rails and it's much safer.
@@GoHerping Yeah, it was a lot of learning and years of research to get my NA Legacy and STi swapped '02 WRX to where they're at now! I believe, if you talk to a good tuning shop - you can get the "definitions" for ECUFlash required to read the newer ECU's if you want to go the Tactrix cable route, as opposed to doing a COBB Access Port. I do not like COBB, and I hate their stock tunes, they are very much not good to run for longer than driving to a dyno shop for a proper tune. They do not come with nearly as much features or customization. They're just 'easier' for A LOT more money in the end. Good luck, and have fun dude!!
the check engine actually went off after the final aftermarket headers weld! so would that mean it's still tuned from the last owner, even though the light also went off with the stock manifold..?
def not placebo, stock headers allowed me to hit about 60-70mph on my regular onramp before merging, jdl let me hit about 90-100mph on the same one. the last owner tuned the car, though i was told the tune was reverted. maybe it's still there
Dear Alex: Time to search your support source/arch nemesis called TH-cam again, and learn basic MIG lessons, as well as a worthy MIG unit to buy, followed by stitching up that absurdly easily repairable catalytic case DIY with the most basic novice tack stitch welds. You’ll be in less than that ripoff shop quote, and you’ll now own the machine that will rescue you countless times in the decades to come.
@@GoHerping do it. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of my career earnings have been directly tied to welding skills, and design and fabricate skills that came from a couple years as a rough frame carpenter when I was around your age. Even if you don’t end up using those skills professionally, you won’t regret learning as you’ll save yourself many, many thousands of dollars over your life not only not having to pay others to do it, but save more money fixing instead of replacing, and also getting the results and product you want- which sadly far too often these days, is the only way you’ll get it. So many things simply can’t be bought anymore, you have to build them yourself. 🤷♂️
Heck yeah those curvy metal pipes can make a huge difference. Now imagine living in a state that took away your right to install those beautiful curvy pipes … friggin’ CA. I want headers!!!!!
I assume you already got it inspected, but make sure you go multiple places. That whole tint shit is stupid, they aren’t even supposed to fail you for that; just can’t pass you, so you can go somewhere else or remove it
Make the car how you want it, you can always find a shop willing to slap a passed inspection on pretty much anything. None of my cars have legal tint, exhaust, or tail lights...but they all have passed inspections and run better than factory. Gasoline vehicles essentially have the life choked out of them for emissions, opening up the air flow will yield better performance. I bought a 6.2l truck which was dead silent inside, heartbroken but a few hundred dollars for a performance intake, cutting off the 3rd cat converter, and replacing the exhaust with proper borla stainless it sounds and drives like it should.
Honestly bro the toyota 86 is my favorite car, all you needed to do was tune your car and obviously fix the leaks , is your car running oem tune or specific tune for the exhaust set up?
i was told the previous owner removed the tune and it was reverted back to oem, but now i'm not so sure. i'm gonna have to get it checked i guess to be sure?
@@GoHerping most likely he did it with open flash tablet, you can have multiple tune files and switch them between each other quickly, he probably put it back on oem tune which is why the check engine light came on, if you don’t have to test for emissions then id just tune it back
I can guarantee you that the performance is just a placebo on your end. Since you were getting a check engine light with the modded headers on, and the previous owner said it just needed a tune, you really weren't gaining any performance benefit from the headers at all. You were thinking the car was faster than it was because it was louder. Also the way you said it revs slowly in neutral, the headers have absolutely no affect on that. The flywheel is what determines how fast it revs, and you didn't swap it from a lightweight flywheel to a stock one so it definitely revs the same as it used to.
Just some advice, don’t make mistakes. Don’t try new things with your car. Stop trying to learn about cars. These people are right. you are doing everything wrong. If You don’t stop and ignore these comments a few things will happen. You will become addicted to working on cars and find a beautiful new hobby that comes with love and hate for vehicles. You will actually learn something new and in the process learn about yourself. You will now appreciate cars and find a passion for them. Whatever you do please do not keep working on cars and don’t making mistakes. They will only help you get better…
Obviously this comment is sarcastic. However, if I could offer some real advice. Start with reliability. These motors are perfect when stock but are more than fragile with mods. Look into an AOS, Oil Feeding (pickup / pan), and most importantly, TUNING. If you add anything that gives the motor more power, TUNE. Other than that I really enjoy watching someone discover the amazing world of cars. It reminds me of myself when I was 16 with my Focus ST. I made all the mistakes and paid for them. Now owning a 2020 STI 10 years later I know that reliability and comfortability are what I enjoy most.
the cat is part of each of the headers tho! it was a different one with the oem vs aftermarket manifolds. or do you mean the cat on the stock one was clogged?
@@GoHerping If my memory from the video serves, you had great performance with the aftermarket mod and it was dead in the water with the stock headers. FRS's aren't fast but I've never met an owner who described it as sluggish. My theory is that the cats on your new headers are clogged OR you have another set of cats further down the exhaust system that are clogged. I'm not sure if your car has two sets of cats or not however.
UEL headers are what make a brz sound amazing..I don't blame you for being underwhelmed by paying for stock OEM headers and putting them on the car.. like damn that's a step backwards lol 💀
:( got a 2020 Toyota 86 gt and have a tomei uel headers, no cats is awesome dude, just tune it and itll be way faster than stock, changing the header is basically the only way to get more power other than turbo , the seller should’ve told you about mods before you bought the car tbh tho
jacking it up on the rocker panel lol, you know you can google jack points on specific vehicles right? most manufactures have diagrams for their dealership mechanics
Is there an aftermarket exhaust or just the headers? I'd def get the most free flowing exhaust possible, and an obnoxious intake. They key is to tune it with the upgrades as you said. Even 20 hp gained in that car feels significant, i'll never understand why they didn't put a larger engine in the first gen.
It's funny, i modded the hell out of my BRZ, ended up selling it and getting a model 3 (with the sole purpose of putting it on bags, which i did). BRZ's are awesome, albeit very slow. You could turbo it even then you won't get the power you are looking for. Don't bother trying to do an NA build, it is not worth the time at all.
@@GoHerping The benefits of both can be debated (doesn’t really matter much for these cars unless you are planning to track it). if you do decide to supercharge it. Go with the HKS kit. I have only ever heard great things about that kit.
@@myhandlehasbeenmishandled yea but like, he's already on the road, is he allowed to be on the road without the inspection? We have a roadworthy inspection here in Australia but you can't be driving on the road without one
a sticker on the license plate has a date that tells cops when it was last registered/inspected, so there's a risk they'll ticket you for not renewing it each year. after an inspection, you can submit it to the DMV and they'll send an updated sticker that matches your plate number. but it's only required in some states - and even states that do require it often don't enforce it
While I'm blowing up your comments, you don't buy a BRZ for the 0-60 times. It's a "momentum car" on the track, and it handles like a dream. If you really want some power, there are (somewhat expensive) supercharger kits you can get. They also help with the torque dip.
@GoHerping thats good to hear! Didn't realize it was catted headers when i commented, so that makes sense. Good job on the video. I've had my FRS for 5 years now and dont see myself ever getting rid of it. Turbo comming in the future to take care of the power, but for now, the catless headers and tune help tremendously with tourque dip.
that's great, yeah i took it on one of my favorite curvy roads with the stock manifold and it was definitely the fact i was coming from something quicker that i was disappointed. with that said - i def had better control and confidence since everything was smoother. if that had been my first experience, i woulda loved it
@@GoHerping yeah, it's not even the fact that with the manifold it has more power (the difference is very low) but the fact that you "resolve" the power gap in the 3500/4500 rpm zone and the overall output is more consistent
@@GoHerping GET A DAMN TUNE BEFORE YOU BLOW IT UP!!! From one Subaru owner to another, don't change exhaust components on a Subaru without tuning it. You've been warned.
You can safely do a cat-back exhaust that doesn’t require a tune. Mine’s stock aside from an Invidia R400 cat back. I chose to not have the valve spring recall done. 156k original miles and it still runs great.
@GoHerping Hah. That's all that matters. If it ever leaks, it can be fixed again. I'm loving the new content, man! I've been watching your channel for over 5 years. It's been quite the ride. 🤣
That's what everybody says when trying to get rid of a car... No a tune would not have fixed the lean and the cat converter codes if there were exhaust leaks between the upstream and downstream sensors or after the maf sensor.
@@Mark-jd1jx He needed both. The original owner was half right; changing the headers 100% requires a tune on a Subaru. But, he also should have used gaskets all around.
You’re being so unfair to your car in this video lol the only pros that has a 7.2 0-10 (on paper) is the 2024 AWD Prius which is the highest trim. You got a car that is more than a decade older and (again on paper) the 7.7 seconds is for the automatic the manual 2013 BRZ is at a stock 0-60 of 6.4. It probably just “felt slower” because it was just so much quieter and smoother than you were used to. The truth is that different exhaust manifold is not going to make much of a difference at all. Especially not without proper tuning. The main difference is going to be noise and “feel.” So I understand why it felt so much more tame to you.
This is my third video dedicated to the Subaru, with more to come :)
Picking up the BRZ! th-cam.com/video/NY3-MlRbI4o/w-d-xo.html
BRZ clutch failure nightmare! th-cam.com/video/gQIigukuulQ/w-d-xo.html
Or in the meantime, join us on Discord and watch it all go down in realtime: discord.gg/goherping
bro im not sure if u saw my comment asking for more brz vids but thank u the car is so sick i was so upset you only did one vid then left us blueballed without anymore on it lol
That crack absolutely was repairable.
New gaskets and a weld probably would been good
Ya but this is dealership/corporate we're talking about. Why wouldn't they wanna sell you an entire new exhaust with that little crack?
Literally never dealt with cars and even I was wondering if you could just weld that crack closed.
This channel is evolving in a beautiful way.
:D thank u
@@GoHerpingyeah its not even the same channel anymore
Your mechanic is right. That's an ugly weld lol.
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Switching illegal parts back and forth before each inspection is what I used to go with my RX-7
4:48 there are laws in most states that prevent shops from “modifying” catalytic converters. If this came to our shop, legally the only thing we can do is replace it. Also the car doesnt know/care if there are exhaust leaks after the downstream oxygen sensor. Editing at 6:54. Omg i cant believe they didnt even put gaskets where it bolts to the engine🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ i really wonder if they thought it didnt need them😂
Did the delete to save weight hope this helps 👍
All by the book technicalities aside, a welder repairing that cold lap, under filled seam failure will not only make the car pass emissions legitimately, but even an amateur welder can make that repair with zero threat of visual detection by a state inspector.
@absolutelyfailz4480 sorry i added something else about the video as i kept watching after i commented 😂. I even said that in the comment
I would leave the stock headers on for the moment and take the JDL headers to a different shop to have them weld that up, then you can put them back on. I would also get a tune, you need it to take full advantage of the headers. Headers and a tune are the fix for that 3.5k-4.5k torque dip that you are experiencing with the stock headers. You can see why most people get rid of the stock headers.
the stock headers are truly the saddest car part of all time. it's possible the car is already tuned to the JDL but i'm not sure - I guess i gotta get a tuner computer thingie, or find one I can borrow lol
First 2 mins and already had 2 mini heart attacks. You jacking your car is gonna lead to shooting the jack thru your floor 😂
Hey Alex, love to see this variety on the channel. I recently bought a 2019 Subaru WRX limited with 37k miles and had an almost exact situation to you! Previous owner replaced the exhaust and air intake without tuning anything and now the air to fuel ratio is incorrect and I can’t afford to tune or fix the issue and I know if I do, it will be slow and depressing. I’m excited to see more of this journey going forward!!
I had the same thing with my WRX I bought it with the first owner installing the Cobb intake wrong causing the car to run extremely rich
If I was you I would get a stock intake and then save up for the accessport it’s a must have and then get a tune I get tuned by dmantuning very good tuner that knows everything about our cars
Hope this helps a little bit
An exhaust makes almost zero difference to the speed of the car, it just feels slow because its not as loud. That's why Honda owners put 150db exhausts on their rice boxes and think they are really fast.
Headers do have a big impact on power though
Before you become yet another "Subarus just blow up" guy on youtube, for the love of god, if there are ANY aftermarket parts that touch air, get it tuned immediately. The fact it's been running lean enough to throw a code is REALLY BAD. This isn't a Honda, you don't just throw parts on the car and hope for the best. After you get it repaired so that the codes go away, I'd honestly just take it to the nearest tuner, have them look it over, and then get their take on whether or not it needs a tune. If the previous owner tuned it for the performance headers and then tuned it, then you would need to use the exact same headers to avoid tuning. If he didn't, then you want the stock headers. Either way, if the tuner thinks you need a tune, have $500 ready to throw down. If they say you need one and you don't tune it, every engine problem you have after that point is 100% your fault and preventable. Don't be that guy.
I should mention, it is generally accepted that a cat-back exhaust won't need a tune. So I wouldn't worry about that, but everything from the intake to the cat needs to be inspected to see if it's aftermarket.
not to mention pushing it on a cold engine, subie engines (especially the brz one) can be reliable, but they got to be treated and maintained right for sure. the brz engines in my experience are bulletproof, had a buddy who redlined it multiple times a day and saw absolutely no issues, but he had a 2020. ended up selling it, but no matter what he did, he even raised the rev limit to 8,000 around there and never saw any issues. was a blast to drive that thing
156k miles on my frs. Cat-back exhaust and everything else is stock. No tune and runs like a top.
Cold air intakes are a waste of money on these cars. Great intake from the factory.
because its a catback, they dont impact performance @@stevef3521
2:17 I winced pretty hard i knew it was about to happen
lol
Its naturally aspirated and only had like 200 horsepower from factory, i cant see the headers adding more than 20 hp... The revs might happen and fall a little quicker but power wise i think the sound is just making you think its fast lol
its seriously quicker, I'll post some numbers in the near future - that's why i was so surprised. like how could headers possibly change it so much? but getting to, say 100mph, almost never happened stock. but now it's before im even merged from the onramp
It's running lean, which actually generates more power. It also puts him a hell of a lot closer to detonation without a tune. He's going to blow it up at this rate, and he'll probably blame it on subaru. 🙄
@@GoHerping I guess it really helps it breathe at the higher rpms. Funnily enough I had a turbo car with a manual transmission, I bought a 3 inch downpipe with a super free flowing cat, the car had 3 little ones stock so it drastically opened up the exhaust. Kind of dumb on my part as it really only helped at higher rpm, and I say dumb because I drove the car like a grandma and actually having no back pressure hurt my spooling at low rpms lol.
headers alone without a tune wont do much, but headers and a proper tune or OFT tune will add i think it was 20-30? on a 93 tune at least. while an e85 tune was showing around 40 hp gains, but that was about the limit on these cars. they really like e85 i guess
Agreed its all placebo
I just want to say, i am not a car person atall - but i am loving this series! keep up the good work, you make me smile on some really shitty days!
thank u :D
Alex invest in a better quality jack. You’re going to hurt yourself using that eventually
do u have any specific suggestions? this one's wheel is bent sideways and scrapes the cement every time lol
I just seen a video on another channel of that exact jack stand failing and dropping the car. I don’t know any good brands besides the obvious ones that are extremely over priced lmao.
@@GoHerpingI’m from England so can’t really recommend a specific one as I don’t think you’d be able to get them there but I would suggest watching Project Farms video on testing floor jacks. I’m sure they’ll be one in his video you’d be able to buy.
@@GoHerping go get a daytona jack, they are made by the same people who also make the snap-on jacks. also please learn how to jack up a car properly so you don't damage your car or hurt yourself in the process.
@@GoHerping Harbor Freight low profile jack. Best "cheap" floor jack you can get.
You have just reminded me why I refuse to get a car and rely on public transit or my own two feet. 😅😂
Same also where I live, there is tons of auto theft and car break ins too
I'm loving the new herp content!
thanks!
I feel your pain, I went through a ton of stuff like this with my first wrx last year. Its a pain to learn it, but it's super worth it in the end. You'll get this thing dialed In and it'll feel amazing. Best of luck with it
thanks!
I'm impressed that you did this project. You should be proud of yourself
thanks!
Pretty sure this stream is where I got the screenshot I show to every nurse that takes my blood. Those veins tho 🤢
Looking at the invoice, it looks like around $1k for the headers plus misc parts plus like two hours of labor. I think the labor is too high, but that'd only save you about $125 if they did it in one hour. Not super crazy all things considered for new headers.
So I've modified NA Subarus before for a while. Long tube equal-length headers plus an open-source custom tune gives you the most gains, but it's not much for a lot of money. Ebay ELs are fine and cheap enough. EL headers on Subarus don't sound great, but they sound much better with a Nameless Performance axle back exhaust, 4" or 5" cans.
Long tube unequal-length gives noticeably more torque in the lower RPMs, with a slight power loss at the top end. But they sound awesome. Another drawback is cylinder #4 won't like it after a long time and hard driving, it makes #4 run a bit hotter.
Both require proper tunes, and I would recommend going open-source if possible. On the older Subarus you're able to use a Tactrix cable and ECUFlash to grab the ECU's .bin file, send it off to a remote tuning shop. Go back and forth a few times with logs and revisions. And after a couple hundred bucks you have a tune, plus tons of features for OFFROAD USE ONLY that you can flash to your ECU. Big one being turning off any codes if you go catless.
Also, big tip with jacking up Subarus, do not jack from the sides. There is a jack-plate underneath the front subframe, behind the oil pan, sometimes the steering rack. Should be like that for all FA and EJ motors. Jack it up, lower the sides onto jack stands. For jacking up the rear, just use the rear differential. No more crushed rails and it's much safer.
it took me a couple attempts to digest everything you just said, but i copied it into my notes for future reference cause this will def be useful lmao
@@GoHerping Yeah, it was a lot of learning and years of research to get my NA Legacy and STi swapped '02 WRX to where they're at now!
I believe, if you talk to a good tuning shop - you can get the "definitions" for ECUFlash required to read the newer ECU's if you want to go the Tactrix cable route, as opposed to doing a COBB Access Port. I do not like COBB, and I hate their stock tunes, they are very much not good to run for longer than driving to a dyno shop for a proper tune. They do not come with nearly as much features or customization. They're just 'easier' for A LOT more money in the end.
Good luck, and have fun dude!!
those bolts were great, in Canada you don't use a wrench to remove them, you use a drill and grinder.
lol
Crazy for me to see him go from herping to car content lol
UPGRADE WOOO
Yo man I’m the one that recognized in front of the Lowe’s foods, sorry if I was a bit akward😭
lmao. no worries, cool to meet u
The joys of learning about long tube headers.
freaking love hearing more about this car I always been curious of it
The 2013 BRZ has a noticeable torque dip with the stock headers.
the entire rpm range feels like a torque dip!
The check engine light comes off once you tune it with open flash tablet, it also corrects the car from running lean ,
the check engine actually went off after the final aftermarket headers weld! so would that mean it's still tuned from the last owner, even though the light also went off with the stock manifold..?
This guy went from Animals, to DoorDash, to Amazon, to Cars!
Is this stock mufflers with only the aftermarket headers? It sounds sick !
You can put 02 spacers in the aftermarket header and check engine won't show up.
Oh man that wood slipping on the jack stand😳
:D
Great editing and shots too
thanks!
The sluggishness is a placebo effect. Without a tune the performence headers were not adding any power.
def not placebo, stock headers allowed me to hit about 60-70mph on my regular onramp before merging, jdl let me hit about 90-100mph on the same one. the last owner tuned the car, though i was told the tune was reverted. maybe it's still there
subaru boxer engines sound great with UEL headers. I have a wrx but Im definitely eyeballing some BRZs. Where your tegu at?
Dear Alex:
Time to search your support source/arch nemesis called TH-cam again, and learn basic MIG lessons, as well as a worthy MIG unit to buy, followed by stitching up that absurdly easily repairable catalytic case DIY with the most basic novice tack stitch welds.
You’ll be in less than that ripoff shop quote, and you’ll now own the machine that will rescue you countless times in the decades to come.
it'd be really cool to learn to weld longterm
@@GoHerping do it. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of my career earnings have been directly tied to welding skills, and design and fabricate skills that came from a couple years as a rough frame carpenter when I was around your age.
Even if you don’t end up using those skills professionally, you won’t regret learning as you’ll save yourself many, many thousands of dollars over your life not only not having to pay others to do it, but save more money fixing instead of replacing, and also getting the results and product you want- which sadly far too often these days, is the only way you’ll get it.
So many things simply can’t be bought anymore, you have to build them yourself. 🤷♂️
Heck yeah those curvy metal pipes can make a huge difference. Now imagine living in a state that took away your right to install those beautiful curvy pipes … friggin’ CA. I want headers!!!!!
This is such fun and good content. Thank you
You might need to adapt the engine by disconnecting the battery for a bit, or just retune it because it's been running wrong for so long
4:07 "That doesn't look too bad to me. Anyway, these are extremely rusted." 🥴
I assume you already got it inspected, but make sure you go multiple places. That whole tint shit is stupid, they aren’t even supposed to fail you for that; just can’t pass you, so you can go somewhere else or remove it
Make the car how you want it, you can always find a shop willing to slap a passed inspection on pretty much anything. None of my cars have legal tint, exhaust, or tail lights...but they all have passed inspections and run better than factory. Gasoline vehicles essentially have the life choked out of them for emissions, opening up the air flow will yield better performance. I bought a 6.2l truck which was dead silent inside, heartbroken but a few hundred dollars for a performance intake, cutting off the 3rd cat converter, and replacing the exhaust with proper borla stainless it sounds and drives like it should.
Also if you want something faster, get a WRX or STI
i think i would immediately miss the tiny form factor and handling of the 86!
Honestly bro the toyota 86 is my favorite car, all you needed to do was tune your car and obviously fix the leaks , is your car running oem tune or specific tune for the exhaust set up?
i was told the previous owner removed the tune and it was reverted back to oem, but now i'm not so sure. i'm gonna have to get it checked i guess to be sure?
@@GoHerping most likely he did it with open flash tablet, you can have multiple tune files and switch them between each other quickly, he probably put it back on oem tune which is why the check engine light came on, if you don’t have to test for emissions then id just tune it back
cool video! learend a lot! and it failed inspection anyways is so cruel lol! thx for sharing!
I can guarantee you that the performance is just a placebo on your end. Since you were getting a check engine light with the modded headers on, and the previous owner said it just needed a tune, you really weren't gaining any performance benefit from the headers at all. You were thinking the car was faster than it was because it was louder.
Also the way you said it revs slowly in neutral, the headers have absolutely no affect on that. The flywheel is what determines how fast it revs, and you didn't swap it from a lightweight flywheel to a stock one so it definitely revs the same as it used to.
Just some advice, don’t make mistakes. Don’t try new things with your car. Stop trying to learn about cars. These people are right. you are doing everything wrong. If You don’t stop and ignore these comments a few things will happen.
You will become addicted to working on cars and find a beautiful new hobby that comes with love and hate for vehicles. You will actually learn something new and in the process learn about yourself. You will now appreciate cars and find a passion for them.
Whatever you do please do not keep working on cars and don’t making mistakes. They will only help you get better…
Obviously this comment is sarcastic. However, if I could offer some real advice. Start with reliability. These motors are perfect when stock but are more than fragile with mods. Look into an AOS, Oil Feeding (pickup / pan), and most importantly, TUNING. If you add anything that gives the motor more power, TUNE.
Other than that I really enjoy watching someone discover the amazing world of cars. It reminds me of myself when I was 16 with my Focus ST. I made all the mistakes and paid for them. Now owning a 2020 STI 10 years later I know that reliability and comfortability are what I enjoy most.
“I stream a lot of this stuff in video calls” WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU JOINED VC?
Get your cat checked. Your performance issues check every box of a clogged cat. Headers would not make that much of a noticeable difference.
the cat is part of each of the headers tho! it was a different one with the oem vs aftermarket manifolds. or do you mean the cat on the stock one was clogged?
@@GoHerping If my memory from the video serves, you had great performance with the aftermarket mod and it was dead in the water with the stock headers. FRS's aren't fast but I've never met an owner who described it as sluggish. My theory is that the cats on your new headers are clogged OR you have another set of cats further down the exhaust system that are clogged. I'm not sure if your car has two sets of cats or not however.
UEL headers are what make a brz sound amazing..I don't blame you for being underwhelmed by paying for stock OEM headers and putting them on the car.. like damn that's a step backwards lol 💀
Dude what you are doing at 2:20 is super dangerous. Don't put a thin little wood block like that on your jack! It's going to tip over.
:D
:( got a 2020 Toyota 86 gt and have a tomei uel headers, no cats is awesome dude, just tune it and itll be way faster than stock, changing the header is basically the only way to get more power other than turbo , the seller should’ve told you about mods before you bought the car tbh tho
yeah opening the engine bay was like a mystery box, cause i had no idea what i was looking at lmao
I have a feeling the previous owner installed those headers and never got it tuned. Honestly, that's kind of mad
what the orignal shop wanted to do was for you switch em out and he could jkeep that part. put a weld on it and resell it for 1k .
jacking it up on the rocker panel lol, you know you can google jack points on specific vehicles right? most manufactures have diagrams for their dealership mechanics
Is there an aftermarket exhaust or just the headers? I'd def get the most free flowing exhaust possible, and an obnoxious intake. They key is to tune it with the upgrades as you said. Even 20 hp gained in that car feels significant, i'll never understand why they didn't put a larger engine in the first gen.
yeah, perrin exhaust. do you have intake recommendations?
2:17 bro. i literally was tensing up waiting for the car to just drop 😭
It's funny, i modded the hell out of my BRZ, ended up selling it and getting a model 3 (with the sole purpose of putting it on bags, which i did). BRZ's are awesome, albeit very slow. You could turbo it even then you won't get the power you are looking for. Don't bother trying to do an NA build, it is not worth the time at all.
oh nice. i truly can't think of a better duo of cars to have - i'm thinking supercharger, but any benefits of the turbo over that?
@@GoHerping The benefits of both can be debated (doesn’t really matter much for these cars unless you are planning to track it). if you do decide to supercharge it. Go with the HKS kit. I have only ever heard great things about that kit.
It's interesting to see how "easy" you can fix some things yourself on a car. Provided you have the ability to lift the parts LOL
More car content please great video
i shall :)
Was that Keith on the phone at 6:00
What's the point of the inspection? I am not familiar to American stuff lol, you're already driving it on the road? What is the inspection for?
So, shit hopefully doesn't go sideways while you are driving. It's kind too late if something happens.
@@myhandlehasbeenmishandled yea but like, he's already on the road, is he allowed to be on the road without the inspection? We have a roadworthy inspection here in Australia but you can't be driving on the road without one
a sticker on the license plate has a date that tells cops when it was last registered/inspected, so there's a risk they'll ticket you for not renewing it each year. after an inspection, you can submit it to the DMV and they'll send an updated sticker that matches your plate number. but it's only required in some states - and even states that do require it often don't enforce it
@@GoHerping ahh okay thank you
While I'm blowing up your comments, you don't buy a BRZ for the 0-60 times. It's a "momentum car" on the track, and it handles like a dream. If you really want some power, there are (somewhat expensive) supercharger kits you can get. They also help with the torque dip.
Im dead looking at the weld 😂😂
At least the tint is something that you want to get experience in anyway. Hopefully the legit taillights are cheap.
taillight swap on the way since i'm not a fan of the ones the last dude got, but no way i'm sacrificing my 20% tint!
I bet the check engine light was on because of the aftermarket headers and no tune.
it may already have a tune for these headers but i'm not sure! the check engine light has been off since the weld.
@GoHerping thats good to hear! Didn't realize it was catted headers when i commented, so that makes sense. Good job on the video. I've had my FRS for 5 years now and dont see myself ever getting rid of it. Turbo comming in the future to take care of the power, but for now, the catless headers and tune help tremendously with tourque dip.
@@stayhooked epic. if these videos perform well enough, i'm hoping to try out a supercharger kit. any particular reason for turbo over supercharge?
Bro thats cary, I work/worked at chevy down the street😂
noice
I own an 86 totally OEM, I have a lot of fun with it, but I can see why you don't:
1) you downgraded it
2) you're not driving it in a twisty road
that's great, yeah i took it on one of my favorite curvy roads with the stock manifold and it was definitely the fact i was coming from something quicker that i was disappointed. with that said - i def had better control and confidence since everything was smoother. if that had been my first experience, i woulda loved it
@@GoHerping yeah, it's not even the fact that with the manifold it has more power (the difference is very low) but the fact that you "resolve" the power gap in the 3500/4500 rpm zone and the overall output is more consistent
Lmfaooo this was hilarious! subuwuuuu
And it’s too bad you didn’t get an aluminum flywheel installed with the new clutch.
noted for next time! (hopefully a long time from now...)
The check engine light takes about 200 miles to reset
ahh. noted
Has a car head I love this bro 😎
I love car videos, do more pls
on the way!
I think I missed something... don't you have a Model 3?
indeed
That header is 100% able to be welded up.
The more air flow the most horses 🐎
Lmao you lost maybe 15 hp losing the headers. As a fellow brz owner news flash they are slow af😂.
i think hearing how few hp id lose is why I thought I'd be fine going back to stock, but it's insane how different it feels
@@GoHerping GET A DAMN TUNE BEFORE YOU BLOW IT UP!!! From one Subaru owner to another, don't change exhaust components on a Subaru without tuning it. You've been warned.
You can safely do a cat-back exhaust that doesn’t require a tune. Mine’s stock aside from an Invidia R400 cat back. I chose to not have the valve spring recall done. 156k original miles and it still runs great.
Not the failed inspection :'(
He ruined that header. I'm surprised it doesn't leak.
lmao. it works so i ain't complaining
@GoHerping Hah. That's all that matters.
If it ever leaks, it can be fixed again.
I'm loving the new content, man!
I've been watching your channel for over 5 years.
It's been quite the ride. 🤣
Put the JDL back innnnnnnn just do it right
i enjoyed your video!
I would have given up a long time ago and sold it. Then again I don't know anything about cars!
More car videos more car videos
ok ok o ko ok
You just go get your aftermarket headers welded
I thought he was going to crash and loose some limbs. I’m Disappointed.
not yet!
Man, could've bought new aftermarket headers for less and done it yourself spare almost $1k.
the final repair came out to 40 bucks!
I do like this video series I love cars haha
thanks!
All the car needed was a tune. A tune would have completely fixed the lean running situation and got rid of your check engine light.
That's what everybody says when trying to get rid of a car...
No a tune would not have fixed the lean and the cat converter codes if there were exhaust leaks between the upstream and downstream sensors or after the maf sensor.
@@Mark-jd1jx He needed both. The original owner was half right; changing the headers 100% requires a tune on a Subaru. But, he also should have used gaskets all around.
Excuse my previous comments
i dont know or like cars why am i still here
maybe this is your gateway drug into them? :)
Heck yeah I got 2 seconds of fame (also that’s a pretty average looking exhaust system, they’re all terribly rusted
You’re being so unfair to your car in this video lol the only pros that has a 7.2 0-10 (on paper) is the 2024 AWD Prius which is the highest trim. You got a car that is more than a decade older and (again on paper) the 7.7 seconds is for the automatic the manual 2013 BRZ is at a stock 0-60 of 6.4. It probably just “felt slower” because it was just so much quieter and smoother than you were used to. The truth is that different exhaust manifold is not going to make much of a difference at all. Especially not without proper tuning. The main difference is going to be noise and “feel.” So I understand why it felt so much more tame to you.
e85 time😎
bendy tubes and a tune make such a difference lmao
5th comment warning him to remove his oil pan and reseal it before the stock rtv clogs the pickup tube
Get some Tomei headers
i'm sure tomei are great but i love the jdl
That weld is awful XD
Should've got a z
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