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Don't forget to be kind to ornn, otherwise this change won't exist for you.
Hahaha I've been on both ends of that. Be kind to your Ornn players for sure.
me learning Ornn =(
Lol u do know ornn gets bonus stats for every upgrade right?
Not upgrading might probably hurt u more than the one player u're not upgrading cos they were mean to u.
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@@jedanim9536 Its about sending a message and if ur a dick u dont get the upgrade i can survive whitout that 5% boost
@@jedanim9536 It's not about losing or winning, it's about sending a message
"Upgrades will also no longer have a dedicated name". I see this as a nerf.
RIP syzygy 😭
Rip Echoes of Helia name(I don't even remember it but it was cool)
@@kauanjos3199 Cry of the Shrieking City.
Damn, I loved the names. Unspoken Parasite was actually a cool name for Jak'sho upgrade.
@@VarlaneBest name in the game
Me bad mouth Ornn on my team
Ornn: Your Item Upgrade privilege is revoke
i main ornn and sometimes i wish i wouldnt have to give an upgrade to someone because they just dont deserve it but winning and the passive stats are more important
@@hasty1322 i sometimes upgrade them later even thought they would be the next best choice
I think they should make it so when you play with an Ornn on your team your first slot is highlighted in a different color, and if you hover over it it says "the item on this slot can be upgraded by Ornn" so everybody knows how to use his passive
Idk if they could without breaking a bunch of unrelated things in the game
If they do this then they will break the game and Sylas will be able to steal Baron's Ultimate.
or It could work like support item's upgrade. You get upgraded by ornn, and you get to choose which one of your items you want to get upgraded.
Coming from an Ornn main the main thing I think most players will agree with what needs to be overhauled is the item upgrade selection process. Such as the person playing ornn being able to select the item to be upgraded or have each player have an item vote or something so the ornn player can’t troll them and vice versa. Because right now it’s whatever item is closest to 1st slot which is so annoying having to explain to all 4 teammates every game.
they could highlight the first slot (maybe similar to the masterwork item border), so it's at least a bit more intuituive to just put your "strongest item" there
It’s also annoying because you might want to have an active item on slot 1 or 2 but forget to move it when its time to upgrade.
The first slot mechanic is annoying because everyone moves their actives to 1 2 and 3. In that order. So an Ornn means moving it all to 2 3 4 if what they wanted upgraded doesn't have a passive. An Ornn can break muscle memory where I'm not thinking about where everything is and just expect buttons I press to do what I told them to do.
@@halycon404 I didn't understand what you said... But I keep active in 2 and moving forward cause for some reason it's a lot easier for me to remember that it's on the longer finger in my hand and thus has more mobility (plus I can make less mistakes if using Q which for most champions it's their bread and butter... But I'll be sincere, I'll forget I have an active 90% of the time... Zonyas has less use for me than any other item cause of this and it makes it a worse buy for me over all XD lol
As a support I keep my warding item in 1st slot, I had no idea...
Infinity edge ad bouta go crazy
bloodthirster too ;)
It's just more 10 ad i saw it
@@calibrumotp6287It should be around 33 bonus AD after change
@@calibrumotp62871000g worth of AD is 10…? xd
92 ad after ornn upgrade
It is great but I miss unique names...
who tf cares, go get job and earn some money instead of crying abotu some items names in game jeez
@@StateOfMood11 wow man calm down
I agree the unique names are great, but I also like to express my dismay over the confusion it causes in game.
Had a game where Jhin completed his IE and Ornn upgraded it to Molten Edge. Jungle spam pings Jhin's Molten Edge but only half of us followed the script. The other 2 still play front to back instead of all in back-to-front. We got wiped & those 2 thought Jhin bought some sort of TANK ITEM.
@@StateOfMood11Least choleric League player.
@@Rncko look another one loser
As an ornn main... This is a sad day, no more Obsidian Cleaver, Leviathan, Edge of Finality or Infinity Force, you will be missed.
Plus, I feel it'll be a lot more confusing for other players now having to check which item is gonna have the most impact for those 1K gold, not confusing per se, but for anyone who already didn't get the passive masterwork itself haha
Its just a skill issue tbh, they still get the same gold value just have to switch on brain enough to know what stats are more valuable.
I think this is the right choice, as making extra items for one champion is pretty unsustainable. But I'm also sad that much of the flavor of having the upgraded items is gone, it is awesome seeing the cool names of the items in my inventory.
No more Syzygy 😢
Yeah I will miss the Masterworked Item Renames
@@Cezako this :(
Your ally should just have a selection menu like Neeko and Kindred passives that lets you pick an item to improve in your inventory when Ornn “upgrades” you. It would make this system much simpler than needing to tell people about the first inventory slot thing with Ornn items which isn’t immediately obvious.
And you'd be able to quickly/easily compare the possible items you could get.
Waiting for the bug where ornn upgrades your whole inventory twice
Or infinitely with maybe Viego
noooo give it a NAAAME. "Cry of the Shrieking City" goes so HARD.
What item had that?
@@btvoidx Echoes of Helia
@@btvoidxpiss
they need to add new UI to upgrading items from ornn, very unfriendly for newer players (oooo scary)
Ataraxia, Syzygy, Dreamshatter, Hope Adrift, Seething Sorrow, Wyrmfallen Sacrifice, The Baron's Gift...
You will all be missed.
For sure is 69 ad instead of 70 riot
I'd assume they'll round the stats to the nearest 5, so 70 or 65 for that example. wouldn't make sense to start adding odd numbers when items have usually have even numbers on stats
Imagine you get upgraded mejai and immediately lose all stacks.
They boost the cap to 30 stacks but you lose 15 on death
@@MJD-lf2mb That'd be very cool but it'd also go against the whole point of the update to his passive which seems to be to remove item uniqueness so you're not forced to build an item just to get Ornn's upgrade.
@@Maiyukiii My brother in christ, can you not read a joke? That was obv unrealistic and was just me taking the piss.
@@MJD-lf2mb oh sorry, I thought it was a genuinely cool idea if the uniqueness stayed. My bad!
Shame it doesn't upgrade Heal/Shield power
Since it splits the bonus stats evenly, I wonder if there's a way to "game" the Ornn upgrade.
Like, getting 50 AP from your Deathcap is arguably better than getting 25 AP and 25 armor from a Zhonya's.
Kinda sucks for the people that put actives in the first slot
wouldn't you be able to just swap it to the first to get upgraded, then swap your active back to the first slot?
@@ThineDude yes.
@@ThineDude actually it requires IQ 200:)
@@ThineDude yes but what of the ornn upgrades you without warning
A big problem with the item slot determining what item ornn upgrades (as a non ornn player myself) is that I always have a specific spot for each item based on the active. Having my main active on 2 (eg. zhonyas) and my less important active in 1 (eg. Youmuus) for example.
I'm not going to change my item order to get the right upgrade to then accidentally zhonyas and get myself killed..
A possible workaround: go into your League's keybind settings and just swap the Zhonya's slot with the 1st slot for binding. It may look weird on the hotbar but you wouldn't have to change how you play.
I think it's actually not a bad change. Sad that the unique names of the Masterwork items are getting removed, but this makes Ornn upgrades a LOT more transparent in that you can upgrade items situationally depending on the stats you need in a given game. The alternative is moving the same item to the first item slot every game and not having that same variability in item builds; this also has the effect of punishing players who don't know which item to upgrade, as the current version places a lot more value on the item effects rather than the stats.
I am going to miss those unique names that expanded my vocabulary such as syzygy
I think there should be a UI element in your inventory when Ornn is on your team maybe like a grayed out version of the masterwork symbol on the first slot.
Guardian Angel should give 69 AD and 69 armor. That 1 armor is barely going to make a difference anyway
Pro players are gonna cry about it for sure
0:59 nice
nice
YESSSS ORNN MAINS RISE, WE'RE SMITHING GOOD TONIGHT
damnn was so fun reading these names , why did they remove it man
Honestly I like this system so much more
I had an ARAM game today where a Tristana did not build any items I could upgrade for them, which shorted my stats a bit. We still won because the enemy team couldn't kill me though (Unending Despair at 5 second cooldown is crazy).
Hi Van, can you check out fizz's E right now? its definitely glitched and doesnt make you untargetable for the time window it's meant to
Void staff Getting additional 50 AP after masterwork is Hard.
Also no more Salvation (Redemption)
Masterwork Triforce lives in my walls
Bro Infinity Force sounds so badass
If Ornn would give you a token to upgrade item when you want it. It would be epic!
Does the Upgraded Zephys works as Tier 4 Boots for Kalista jump?
I love how fundamental champion changes are always on the pbe immediately after every patch
Looks more clear and more futureproof. Since the removal of mythics I didnt know which items Ornn can even upgrade and the shop didnt have a filter for it afaik.
Ornn's teammates should get a popup like Ornn's in-game crafting is. In there you should be able to pick out the items you want to upgrade, or if you don't have an item you want to upgrade, you could select none and Ornn doesn't get the arrows to upgrade you.
This would be a much better mechanic than having the item you want upgraded in your first slot, but then you aren't even aware Ornn can upgrade and he just upgrades a random which does not have the stats you desire.
Im interested in a tierlist of all the upgrades. Sure the pure gold value is the same overall, but some items use the stats that are boosted in their passives, which makes the increase more valuable.
Now i know to move the item i want upgraded to the first slot. Always thought it was random lol
I'll miss the unique names, they were so cool :[
Also fun little fact about the current items: While e.g. rabadons does give the promised 50 AP already by now, they screwed up infinity edges gold worth in stats when upgrading in 14.10... Its AD goes up from 80 to 95, being just about 500g worth of upgrade. I guess they just forgot to upgrade it, because 30 AD would be about 1000 gold worth of stats
I usually put actives on the first slot and not all actives have good upgrades. Maybe they should change that thing too?
Move item you want upgraded to first, then swap
Change is good, you can now easily choose what stats you want to be upgraded depending what you need more in the match, now you get the full Ornn value
0:56 I see what you're doing bro 😏
This might suck for Ornn himself since he has no control over when he gets his upgrade. E.g. if you want to upgrade Jak'Sho but don't have it yet so it just upgrades Sunfire
They're masterworks, all. You cant go wrong.
I really liked the upgraded names, they were innovative
what do i think?
that it would be possible to somehow cycle trough your items so you can upgrade more than one
I don't like how it's still based on the item in your first slot, meaning you have to keep that in the back of your mind when you're organizing your bag (especially annoying for champs who use items with actives), but I like how there's going to be no more objectively worse upgrades.
can you upgrade boots?
The zephyr uograde is actually insane, since the movespeed doesnt get upgraded all 1000 gold gets dumped into the attack speed, meaning uou get a MASSIVE attack speed steroid that I'm sure onhit champs will love
It actually isnt, because lethal tempo doesnt exist anymore. Onhit champs tend to have AS steroid, and pretty much every item they build has heavy ammounts of attack speed. You're just gonna cap it late.
@@Craftee6there are champs that aren't attack speed capped tbf
@@Siegram999 Name one that isnt jinx with her passive procced.
@@Craftee6 Bel'veth
Great, now I have to figure out which of my 5/6 items i want upgraded. I don't want to do math mid game
Awesome! Now I'm gonna have my Zhonya's upgraded every single time cause slot 1 is dedicated to them ... Big brain move by Riot once again.
are Boots can be also upgraded?
I'm really curious why the support items aren't able to be upgraded. It feels like a no-brainer, because as a support, that's the one item you are guaranteed to have, and so it would make sense to give it an upgrade. At least I always felt that way with the old system. With the new system... maybe they could add it here? Did Riot give any reasoning yet why they don't want to upgrade the support item?
well the only stats support items gives is health, mana regen, health regen. Ornn upgrade only increases certain stats that are already present. Meaning it would only give you 375 health which is extremely bad on non-tank supports
@@loke5052 you know what, that actually does make perfect sense. I was still thinking along the lines of how his old/current ult works. Yeah, 375 hp isn't terrible as a support, but other stats are in general just more usable
Nice
What if they made it when you upgrade a player it brings up an "augment page that lets you quickly select the item of the player you want upgraded. No player slot moving around and it should be up to orn to chose what item he wants to upgrade for his team since he is the one blacksmithing the item.
Another option instead of ornn chosing just let him smash the blacksmith to grant a player a coin (buff) that allows them to upgrade any potential item of their chosing.
They're masterworks, all. You can't go wrong.
I'm going to miss those special names Ornn items had
Farewell, Syzygy
goodnight, ataraxia, my sweet prince
i dont see why they wouldnt just add new names for all items...
i liked the unique names they had! otherwise, pretty cool change and more intuitive now, i had no idea which item would be best to upgrade before
Found a bug with Bel'veth. If you play her support, the support item will proc and drop the minion to 1hp but not execute it so adc will lose the minion and you will as well.
Btw isnt immortal Shieldbow the only crit item that still has 20% crit instead of 25?
First time I'm seeing this, didn't know people even buy that item
No, All crit Items are being change to 25%
Only The quiver is getting the 20% crit chance treatment
If there is Orn in your team then top left slot in your inventory should have diffrent frame or shape so that you know this item, in this slot, will get upgraded.
OR
Just let the player choose what item he want to upgrade
example:
Orn player rightclick on you then you get all your items on screen and choose which item you want to upgrade.
P.S. Still there is no button to stack Mejai in practice mode
Very smart move to not need to maintain this. Now every new item and every item change is dynamically coded. While the flavour is gone this takes a lot of time and effort of for a single champion. This also means that future champions can have more unique abilities if the changes can be applied dynamically and not need to be thought over with every new inclusion.
We need ornn masterwork items tierlist now!
They need to make a name for every newly upgradable item.
Thats 90 new names and then 15 languages for each item. Not worth the investment at all.
@@NotEvenSquidward Come on, that would be worth max a 3 days designer pay.
Around half the price of the average legendary skin.
@@NotEvenSquidwardright, forgot how small of a company riot was ig..
Amazing change
As far as i saw ornn is upgrading only 1 item for himself instaed of 2
cool change, good too.
They did this to avoid having to do extra work every time they rework items, which is often. They could've at least kept the names we already had with no promises to make new names for all the others.
And now, we wait to find what item is bugged and gives more or less stats than it should.
Man, I really don't like how they removed original names, but I guess it makes sense when every item is upgradeable.
I'll take the Ornn QoL over flavour text anyday.
makes sense, as it was just stats anyway.
Bruh wtf they removing the names!?!?! That was the best part!!
Nice.
Hey SIr, Check on Live server please?
Moon Stone proc Font of Life only for One champion if you have Staff of Flowing Water and ardent censer
I Tested with Lee sin, it works redemption and W if you have aery.
I tested with Shaco With Font of life and aery, it didn't proc the Heal to next ally, i didn't see nothing on patch notes about the rune changes.
BUT if you have aery with Shaco and use redemption + MoonStone it procs to next ally
Also, now you can apply slow on enemies with Echoes of Helia + Font Of Life
Just today I played on Ornn, my shooter and mage did not have items for improvement and cursed at me for not improving their items...
Ornn jg back?
As a Ornn player, I'm glad to see that change ! No more "oh idk what item my mate should build to get an upgrade" or smth like that !
Jesus Christ that Zephyr is op as hell wth riot?
you really think the ADC is gonna upgrade zephyr instead of Infinity Edge, Bloodthirster, or something else? they only get 1 upgrade, theyre not gonna spend it on their boots lmao
You're not gonna see that shit until 35 minutes in
@@steveh1474 varus kog and a very skilled draven can have that much as though. Also vayne if the player wants a attackspeed heavy gameplay
NICE
understandable change - future proofing so that dont have to come up with cool names every time an item is added or removed from the game but ir does lose that personal touch
I think Ornn should be able to upgrade his team and let their teammate upgrade the item they want kinda like upgrading ability points. Or something like World Atlas upgrade.
Every class can get his main stat upgraded exept for lethality for assassin. It seems like riot recently hates assassins
Imagine, rammus with upgraded thornmail
This might just make me pick up Orrn.
What wouod be awsome is if he could just upgrade 5 items in general. Imagine him Givinng 5 masterwork items to a late game adc or hyper carry like azir or gwen
I thought this was an arena change until I saw this video xD
nice.
"From 55 to 69. Nice!"
Ah I see you're man of culture as well.
I just want my fk double upgrade.
Here is how I think gold values should be adjusted:
- 1% Attack Speed should be equal to 1 Ability Haste
- 1 Flat Lethality should be equal to Armor
- 1 Flat Magic Pen should be equal to Magic Res
Is this their solution for people not know what the best items to upgrade are? Its really frustrating as ornn player when people dont know what their own best upgrades are.
78% AS on masterwork zephyr is crazy
This is kinda broken for adc mains, if you have an AP ou AD assassin you just build a high Armor/MR item and upgrade it (like frozen heart or malmortius)
Honestly, this is a good change. With the reversion to non-mythics, the whole upgrade system with Ornn; knowing which items can or cannot be upgraded was tedious at best to wrap your head around. At least now with all items being upgradeable. You as the non-Ornn player can focus on which of the 5 (or 6) items you want upgraded be placed in the first slot; instead of wondering what items you do (not) have, need upgrading. Simply removing this step entirely makes things more cohesive. A+
Good thing I don’t use active items on my 1 button anymore. Because I am pretty sure, that an ever frost upgrade would Troll the f out of me. (Usually my items were, 1 offense, 2 defense, 3 mobility, but 3 is also redemption. Yes I play a lot of archetypes.)
legendary collector coming
GA nerf by 1 armor please
Is this the only way they can dodge Ornn bugs?
Since they overhauled stats to no longer be manually hard coded onto items, this means that the game can now actually count what stats the items give you (it couldn't before, basically up until last patch the items "told" the game what to do to your statline, which is different). So now this allows them to do things such as what we're seeing with the new Ornn items.
*Ornn getting killed alot of times*
Teammate: This ornn trash-
Ornn:
*your item went from masterwork to super faulty*
good because i was playing Zeri the other day and legit none of my items could be upgraded