In rhe last six months of my father's life when he was 100, he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. The consultant asked us if there was anything he could do for us. I asked him to refer us to St Michael's Hospice in Hereford, which he did. The care that my father received with the hospital at home service was wonderful. He was treated with such kindness respect and died with dignity. As a family we were also supported emotionally. My father was looking forward to going to heaven so wasn't afraid of death, but his instinct was to live until it was his time and palliative care helped him to die well and peacefully
Excellent summary of the issues. I’m a cancer doctor and came from an atheist background. Even before I was a Christian, I could see the folly in legalising assisted suicide. There is an idea that somehow doctors are good at predicting life expectancy. They are not. My colleagues and I have many patients who have beaten the odds and survived many years after being in the “months to live” group, according to the books. Some of them may have taken a hopeless prognosis as a reason to end their lives., particularly if they were in pain. Everyone is different not a probability statistic. It’s why we rarely now offer an opinion on life expectancy.
I spoke to my MP in person and emailed, but her mind was already set on it. I am absolutely broken. I cried when the vote came through. I did all I could. I feel disturbed by this. Those opposing had stronger arguments about why this is wrong, and this bill, in particular, is a mess. I have prayed and will continue to pray.
@@Nicole-Faith My MP voted in favour. He's offered to speak further about it and I'm going to take him up on that. Try not to be despondent. We'll keep praying and lobbying and see where we get to. 🙏
@richardhindley4459 hello Richard. In my case I feel as though my MP wasn't listening. I will wait and see what more can be done after things have settled. If it were me as a flawed person I just would give up on the issue but as a Christian I just can't. I feel desperately sad. It is good news that your MP is open to listening to you. Thankyou for your kind words. 🙏
Thanks, Glen, for walking us through the debate. I couldn't bring myself to watch it yesterday. It's so true that stories are powerful with good reason, but as you say, there are so many stories that won't be told. It just feels this bill is going forward with a naiviety about what will happen after it is passed - 'you've told us about your concerns, but trust us, these things won't happen here.' The bill is, of course, a 'foot in the door' because of the principle that's been established, because as was so clearly pointed out, it opens the door for so many different groups to argue that because the right has been given to some, it should not be denied to them. The 6 months and the terminal illness criteria are both arbitrary if you are arguing it on the basis of intolerable suffering. Such a sad day for the message it gives to so many who are vulnerable. Absolutely shocking that a doctor is being given the right to raise the issue, unbidden, with a patient. As a Christian, I have a belief in the sanctity of life and of God's sovereignty over the day of my death, and that will protect me if I ever find myself in that situation. Many will not have the protection of something bigger than trumps 'personal choice' and the duty to die.
Just to be clear, it only passed a second reading and is not yet law. It will now be scrutinized by committees for months. the fact that has even been allowed is quite galling though.
@@Alien1375 We understand terminal illness and why sometimes MAID is a pragmatic and humane solution. But we ALSO understand humanity's propensity to move the "goal post". These "goal posts" will always be argued for the "greater good" which is generally will be a perversion. For example, I truly believe that exercising capital punishment on those who murdered others is actually a reflection of how one truly values life (because the murder didn't respect the life of the other, therefore the murder should get "equal treatment" that has an eye towards actual justice.) But the above dynamics can just as easily be perverted by re-defining when and what is "murder". We call Hitler, Stalin and Pollpot murders, when in their own minds they thought that they were appropriately weeding out elements of humanity that were detrimental to the well being and flourishing of a new society. Now why did we so label such people? Because they had a false and warped view of what was truly good. Those of us who have an eye towards the transcendent beleive that God who gave life in the natural way, should be the only one who takes it in the natural way, with a couple of provisos: 1. The above regarding capital punishment. 2. When evil needs to be supressed.
So sad to hear that the Uk parliament has passed this flawed bill. Thank you for this video, perhaps the most profound you have ever made. Greetings from a sad Brit now .iving in Perth, WA😢
Thank you Glen. I haven't watched the whole video yet, but just on your point of TH-cam potentially blocking this because you used the s word, one of the big arguments against this change is surely that it says "s" is ok. And that's terrible in a culture where it is the leading cause of death in young men. But this reality just gets batted away as being a completely separate issue. The failure to see so many unintended consequences terrifies me.
This bill is not about caring for the terminally ill, it’s about making money and lots of it. Kim Leadbeater is a chairperson of the lobby group More in Common UK which is part of More in Common Global which funds it. On sensitive issues like this I put the emotive issues aside & look at who benefits financially like Dignity , Castelnau group who (pre paid funeral companies) etc make a lot of money out of death & I’m talking about £millions. When you look deeper into this it stinks of corruption.
Since the primary function of the state us the protection of innocent human life, this government no longer deserves and should not have our obedience.
Thinking about this overnight, I think Faron has a really good point. We have seen this happen with so many things where once the cheap and easy option becomes available it becomes the only option available. We have seen it with things like abortion where we have gone from "only withing the arbitrary 3 months" to "well you can break that if the baby has something like downs" as well as seeing cuts to other services that could be used as an alternative. Why would we expect anything else here. Those unable to make a decision not given a choice. End of life care cut further so that this becomes the only real option. If, as Leadbeater says, the system is failing people, the solution isn't to try and bypass the system like this but to fix the system. This is all just slightly insane. The worst thing you can do to fix a failing system is to stop the process before the system get the chance to do anything at all.
Doctors expected a woman with two severed carotid arteries to die but her family and church prayed and she survived the dangerous accident. Her name is Donna Lane and her testimony can be viewed on CBN 700 Club.
In other words ... put it in the hands of the Creator and don't let anybody play at being God. To live without Christ means you die without Him too and in His absence you're only left with fear and hopelessness.
Once my grandmother reached a certain age even though she was still of sound mind, she relied on me to make medical decisions for her. She no longer wanted that responsibility. I made decisions for her regarding the risk/benefit of treatments in consultation with another family member. If this is passed, many older people will have others making this life ending decision for them instead of only care decisions. This must be assumed.
Choosing choice rather than choosing goodness and righteousness is what allowed the evils of the past. All the massive, horrific numbers of deaths that were the result of an ideology is because some people freely CHOSE a certain ideology without any regards to whether a choice was truly good. These legislators think choice in itself is good. Its A good, but not in and of itself.
Ms Leadbetter’s comment re ‘the law is failing us’.. law by definition will fail some time or the other. Living by the word of the law alone is a recipe for failure. The spirit of the law is best represented by love. Love is not selfish.
this is all so so saddening. we really are valuing life less and less these days. i think it passes because the emotive arguments of people in suffering are so visceral. People don't respond in the same way to arguments that aren't as emotinoally charged.
When they tried to change the meaning of marriage I wept. Now we weep for those who will find themselves at not the mercy of God but the tyranny of death
Hang on, so we don't have enough data to say if there would be coercion to have a family member off themselves, but we do have enough data to know that the family doesn't put that pressure on? So we both know and don't know at the same time? How does that work?
@@SpeakLifeMedia she does a lot like that. She also says "the bill is called assistance for adults, not disabled people, or elderly people" Now while I'll grant that while many disabled people are adults not all are, it would however include them. I' not sure exactly how I am expected to grant that the elderly are not adults.
@@SpeakLifeMedia It's going to be a massive piece of work to develop this bill in the next stages and agree how such a service should be provided. I'm not sure that the justice secretary and health secretary will be able to stay in post. There will be much to fight for until the third reading.
What actually scares me slightly more thinking about your comment is that insurance companies will start treating us like cats. There is a bit in one of Adam Kay's books where he talks about how he paid for the premium insurance on his cat. The insurance company refused to pay for any care but were willing to pay for the cat to be euthinised and that was the only medical option they were presented with.
An interesting aspect to this debate is that doctors who are involved in the process are philosophically aligned with values of physician assisted suicide. these doctors are more likely to state that patients fit the criteria such as mental capacity to consent and also the prognosis. People cannot approach these questions objectively, mental capacity and prognosis is incredibly subjective. It is common for doctors to be wrong when predicting life expectancy post diagnosis of major illnesses.
I hope nothing like this happens in America, although America tends to follow Britain in such cases within a few years. As an American, I love British literature and culture, but the secularization of the country has filled me with disappointment.
@@AmyDawson-s1dSome have, but it’s illegal in the majority of states. Euthanasia is entirely banned, but there are a handful of states where people can access drugs to end their life. It’s not on the same level as Canada, for example.
Liked for TH-cam and the algorithm, but really don’t like the outcome. Your handling of it was great though. Sad sad times. The gouvernement should not have this power. The people should have been officially consulted. The bill explained and a referendum! Edit: did they say a junior medical team member would carry out the task? That’s is extremely telling! Junior doctors will be fearful of saying no or losing their job, the patient or family won’t be the only people who will be coerced!
It was shocking to hear you equate suicide simpliciter with suicidality caused by suffering through a terminal illness. Of course there is a philosophically relevant difference between general suicidality and the special case of people who wish to hasten their death due to unbearable suffering from a condition which will definitely kill them soon. It is difficult for me to see how anyone could *not* see a philosophically relevant distinction there. There is a lack of philosophical sophistication and pastoral sensitivity there.
Ms Leadbetter’s comment re ‘the law is failing us’.. law by definition will fail some time or the other. Living by the word of the law alone is a recipe for failure. The spirit of the law is best represented by love. Love is not selfish.
In rhe last six months of my father's life when he was 100, he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. The consultant asked us if there was anything he could do for us. I asked him to refer us to St Michael's Hospice in Hereford, which he did. The care that my father received with the hospital at home service was wonderful. He was treated with such kindness respect and died with dignity. As a family we were also supported emotionally. My father was looking forward to going to heaven so wasn't afraid of death, but his instinct was to live until it was his time and palliative care helped him to die well and peacefully
I’m amazed how quickly you created this response video - such a sad day for the UK
Excellent summary of the issues. I’m a cancer doctor and came from an atheist background. Even before I was a Christian, I could see the folly in legalising assisted suicide. There is an idea that somehow doctors are good at predicting life expectancy. They are not. My colleagues and I have many patients who have beaten the odds and survived many years after being in the “months to live” group, according to the books. Some of them may have taken a hopeless prognosis as a reason to end their lives., particularly if they were in pain. Everyone is different not a probability statistic. It’s why we rarely now offer an opinion on life expectancy.
Following from Adelaide Australia
Sad day
God forgive us
Are we awake now🕊
I spoke to my MP in person and emailed, but her mind was already set on it. I am absolutely broken. I cried when the vote came through. I did all I could. I feel disturbed by this.
Those opposing had stronger arguments about why this is wrong, and this bill, in particular, is a mess.
I have prayed and will continue to pray.
@@Nicole-Faith My MP voted in favour. He's offered to speak further about it and I'm going to take him up on that. Try not to be despondent. We'll keep praying and lobbying and see where we get to. 🙏
@richardhindley4459 hello Richard. In my case I feel as though my MP wasn't listening. I will wait and see what more can be done after things have settled.
If it were me as a flawed person I just would give up on the issue but as a Christian I just can't. I feel desperately sad. It is good news that your MP is open to listening to you.
Thankyou for your kind words. 🙏
Thank you Glen. You show so clearly what Psalm 23 says “….you are with me.”
I am very grateful for your Jesus centred analysis of this, God bless you
Thanks, Glen, for walking us through the debate. I couldn't bring myself to watch it yesterday. It's so true that stories are powerful with good reason, but as you say, there are so many stories that won't be told.
It just feels this bill is going forward with a naiviety about what will happen after it is passed - 'you've told us about your concerns, but trust us, these things won't happen here.' The bill is, of course, a 'foot in the door' because of the principle that's been established, because as was so clearly pointed out, it opens the door for so many different groups to argue that because the right has been given to some, it should not be denied to them. The 6 months and the terminal illness criteria are both arbitrary if you are arguing it on the basis of intolerable suffering. Such a sad day for the message it gives to so many who are vulnerable.
Absolutely shocking that a doctor is being given the right to raise the issue, unbidden, with a patient. As a Christian, I have a belief in the sanctity of life and of God's sovereignty over the day of my death, and that will protect me if I ever find myself in that situation. Many will not have the protection of something bigger than trumps 'personal choice' and the duty to die.
Excellent, Glen. Thank you for y'all's hard work analysing this historic and very disturbing debate.
Thank you for this video Glen. God bless you greatly.
Same to you!
Just to be clear, it only passed a second reading and is not yet law. It will now be scrutinized by committees for months. the fact that has even been allowed is quite galling though.
Life is given to us … well said. Thank you, Glen.
now instead of trying to treat your illness they well just tell you "have you ever considered unaliving yourself?"
What part of terminal illness don't you understand.
Yeah, that's the point
@@Alien1375 We understand terminal illness and why sometimes MAID is a pragmatic and humane solution. But we ALSO understand humanity's propensity to move the "goal post". These "goal posts" will always be argued for the "greater good" which is generally will be a perversion.
For example, I truly believe that exercising capital punishment on those who murdered others is actually a reflection of how one truly values life (because the murder didn't respect the life of the other, therefore the murder should get "equal treatment" that has an eye towards actual justice.)
But the above dynamics can just as easily be perverted by re-defining when and what is "murder".
We call Hitler, Stalin and Pollpot murders, when in their own minds they thought that they were appropriately weeding out elements of humanity that were detrimental to the well being and flourishing of a new society. Now why did we so label such people? Because they had a false and warped view of what was truly good.
Those of us who have an eye towards the transcendent beleive that God who gave life in the natural way, should be the only one who takes it in the natural way, with a couple of provisos: 1. The above regarding capital punishment. 2. When evil needs to be supressed.
@@Alien1375 The point is about witholding treatment & pushing swifter pre-emptive departure instead.
@@Alien1375 the terminal illness is the bait the end goal is not different from what the germans of the 3rd reich did.
Thanks Glen, so appreciate this
So sad to hear that the Uk parliament has passed this flawed bill. Thank you for this video, perhaps the most profound you have ever made. Greetings from a sad Brit now .iving in Perth, WA😢
Thank you so much for this video.
Thank you Glen. I haven't watched the whole video yet, but just on your point of TH-cam potentially blocking this because you used the s word, one of the big arguments against this change is surely that it says "s" is ok. And that's terrible in a culture where it is the leading cause of death in young men. But this reality just gets batted away as being a completely separate issue. The failure to see so many unintended consequences terrifies me.
This bill is not about caring for the terminally ill, it’s about making money and lots of it. Kim Leadbeater is a chairperson of the lobby group More in Common UK which is part of More in Common Global which funds it. On sensitive issues like this I put the emotive issues aside & look at who benefits financially like Dignity , Castelnau group who (pre paid funeral companies) etc make a lot of money out of death & I’m talking about £millions. When you look deeper into this it stinks of corruption.
Since the primary function of the state us the protection of innocent human life, this government no longer deserves and should not have our obedience.
Thinking about this overnight, I think Faron has a really good point. We have seen this happen with so many things where once the cheap and easy option becomes available it becomes the only option available.
We have seen it with things like abortion where we have gone from "only withing the arbitrary 3 months" to "well you can break that if the baby has something like downs" as well as seeing cuts to other services that could be used as an alternative.
Why would we expect anything else here. Those unable to make a decision not given a choice. End of life care cut further so that this becomes the only real option.
If, as Leadbeater says, the system is failing people, the solution isn't to try and bypass the system like this but to fix the system.
This is all just slightly insane. The worst thing you can do to fix a failing system is to stop the process before the system get the chance to do anything at all.
Doctors expected a woman with two severed carotid arteries to die but her family and church prayed and she survived the dangerous accident.
Her name is Donna Lane and her testimony can be viewed on CBN 700 Club.
In other words ... put it in the hands of the Creator and don't let anybody play at being God.
To live without Christ means you die without Him too and in His absence you're only left with fear and hopelessness.
Once my grandmother reached a certain age even though she was still of sound mind, she relied on me to make medical decisions for her. She no longer wanted that responsibility. I made decisions for her regarding the risk/benefit of treatments in consultation with another family member. If this is passed, many older people will have others making this life ending decision for them instead of only care decisions. This must be assumed.
“True dignity involves being cared to for the end”
I suppose once the NHS gets that right then we can take it from there
Choosing choice rather than choosing goodness and righteousness is what allowed the evils of the past.
All the massive, horrific numbers of deaths that were the result of an ideology is because some people freely CHOSE a certain ideology without any regards to whether a choice was truly good.
These legislators think choice in itself is good. Its A good, but not in and of itself.
I am amazed you guys are going thru this. Almost sounds like the story about abortion here in the USA
Ms Leadbetter’s comment re ‘the law is failing us’.. law by definition will fail some time or the other. Living by the word of the law alone is a recipe for failure. The spirit of the law is best represented by love. Love is not selfish.
The law just restrains and punishes bad behaviour, it can not legislate good behaviour, because it can not compel love.
This is a dark time
And….. the add for this was shocking !!!!!
this is all so so saddening. we really are valuing life less and less these days.
i think it passes because the emotive arguments of people in suffering are so visceral. People don't respond in the same way to arguments that aren't as emotinoally charged.
When they tried to change the meaning of marriage I wept. Now we weep for those who will find themselves at not the mercy of God but the tyranny of death
Hang on, so we don't have enough data to say if there would be coercion to have a family member off themselves, but we do have enough data to know that the family doesn't put that pressure on? So we both know and don't know at the same time? How does that work?
And notice that she calls encouragement to live “coercion”. The radical asymmetry between life and death is abolished.
@@SpeakLifeMedia she does a lot like that. She also says "the bill is called assistance for adults, not disabled people, or elderly people" Now while I'll grant that while many disabled people are adults not all are, it would however include them. I' not sure exactly how I am expected to grant that the elderly are not adults.
But it hasn't passed! Not yet. The fight continues.
True
@@SpeakLifeMedia
It's going to be a massive piece of work to develop this bill in the next stages and agree how such a service should be provided. I'm not sure that the justice secretary and health secretary will be able to stay in post.
There will be much to fight for until the third reading.
What are the statistics on attempted suicide survivors, who have gone on to live well?
Insurance companies won't be happy about this OR they will change to include the possibility of assisted death .... and the premiums are will go up.
What actually scares me slightly more thinking about your comment is that insurance companies will start treating us like cats.
There is a bit in one of Adam Kay's books where he talks about how he paid for the premium insurance on his cat. The insurance company refused to pay for any care but were willing to pay for the cat to be euthinised and that was the only medical option they were presented with.
@@euanthompson Yes very scary and they seem so hell bent on depopulation that they probably now want us to kill ourslves?
An interesting aspect to this debate is that doctors who are involved in the process are philosophically aligned with values of physician assisted suicide. these doctors are more likely to state that patients fit the criteria such as mental capacity to consent and also the prognosis. People cannot approach these questions objectively, mental capacity and prognosis is incredibly subjective. It is common for doctors to be wrong when predicting life expectancy post diagnosis of major illnesses.
I hope nothing like this happens in America, although America tends to follow Britain in such cases within a few years. As an American, I love British literature and culture, but the secularization of the country has filled me with disappointment.
You know some states already have?
@@AmyDawson-s1dSome have, but it’s illegal in the majority of states. Euthanasia is entirely banned, but there are a handful of states where people can access drugs to end their life. It’s not on the same level as Canada, for example.
We just following Canada and Australia. Virtually all British MPs follow the WEF agenda.
Can you debate someone who is for assisted dying
I think Unbelievable just did an episode on this. It isn't Glen and I don't know how good it is, but it is there.
@@euanthompson I''ll check it out thank you
"Terminally ill" today, but what about medicine of tomorrow?
Categorising people based on ideology will only lead to bad things.
This is all very sinister.
Liked for TH-cam and the algorithm, but really don’t like the outcome. Your handling of it was great though. Sad sad times. The gouvernement should not have this power. The people should have been officially consulted. The bill explained and a referendum!
Edit: did they say a junior medical team member would carry out the task? That’s is extremely telling! Junior doctors will be fearful of saying no or losing their job, the patient or family won’t be the only people who will be coerced!
It was shocking to hear you equate suicide simpliciter with suicidality caused by suffering through a terminal illness. Of course there is a philosophically relevant difference between general suicidality and the special case of people who wish to hasten their death due to unbearable suffering from a condition which will definitely kill them soon.
It is difficult for me to see how anyone could *not* see a philosophically relevant distinction there. There is a lack of philosophical sophistication and pastoral sensitivity there.
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This is wrong.
As Jesus said: "Thou shall suffer for the last three months of your life or else you shall go to hell".
Your life is not your own, you were bought at a price.
You don't own me.
@@Alien1375 Didn't say that they owned you
@Alien1375 if all you could offer was a fake quotation then you really don't appear to have anything to offer here.
Ms Leadbetter’s comment re ‘the law is failing us’.. law by definition will fail some time or the other. Living by the word of the law alone is a recipe for failure. The spirit of the law is best represented by love. Love is not selfish.