@@robkeeleycomposeryes of course; what I really like about Ockeghem as apposed to Obrecht is the length of the phrases/melodies, fewer cadences. I can really lose myself in that music. In Obrecht the phrases are often shorter because he extrapolates them from his cantus firmus. I can follow the music better as a consequence… it’s just that I prefer Ockeghem’s approach. It is really difficult to write such long phrases and still make a nice flow in the music… leaving behind all the counterpoint etc because long melodies are tricky with counterpoint. And also; the fact that you can conceive of something like the Missa Prolationum, two mensuration canon’s at the same time… that is really genius… and it sounds soooo extremely good!!! Beter then Josquin’s use of the technique is Missa L’homme armée super voces musicales and/or Pierre de la Rue (also I think in a Missa L'homme armée). at the end of the day it is just music, and what your taste prefers! But this mass by Obrecht is great! Don't get me wrong😊
@@thijmenkrijgsman2417thank you for your full response, you know much more than me on this topic. But after listening to what I found to be one of Ockeghems duller masses (Ecce Ancilla Domine) I responded much more directly to Obrecht’s directly melodiousness.
For almost 20 years now. This work
Has reappeared in my mind again and again. So lovely.
Une merveille qu on devrait entendre plus souvent dans nos églises !
What a wonderful piece. It expresses eternity perfectly. Heavenly length!!
Thank you. Absolutely beautiful performance. seeing and following the score is a luxury.
The " _gloria tua_ " is sung well enough to drive me to tears. Where has this kind of expressive singing disappeared to?
C'est magnifique😇
constant overlapping mysterious beauty
❤
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the sopranos are too loud. they need to go back to the master tapes and release a more true-to-life sound.
Listening to Obrecht you realize the greatness of Palestrina
Listening to Obrecht makes you realize Ockeghem is the greatest of them all 🤭🤭
Can you kindly explain?
@@robkeeleycomposeryes of course; what I really like about Ockeghem as apposed to Obrecht is the length of the phrases/melodies, fewer cadences. I can really lose myself in that music. In Obrecht the phrases are often shorter because he extrapolates them from his cantus firmus. I can follow the music better as a consequence… it’s just that I prefer Ockeghem’s approach. It is really difficult to write such long phrases and still make a nice flow in the music… leaving behind all the counterpoint etc because long melodies are tricky with counterpoint. And also; the fact that you can conceive of something like the Missa Prolationum, two mensuration canon’s at the same time… that is really genius… and it sounds soooo extremely good!!! Beter then Josquin’s use of the technique is Missa L’homme armée super voces musicales and/or Pierre de la Rue (also I think in a Missa L'homme armée).
at the end of the day it is just music, and what your taste prefers!
But this mass by Obrecht is great! Don't get me wrong😊
@@thijmenkrijgsman2417thank you for your full response, you know much more than me on this topic. But after listening to what I found to be one of Ockeghems duller masses (Ecce Ancilla Domine) I responded much more directly to Obrecht’s directly melodiousness.