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sorry dude the lion sat on the fence..waiting to see who would win.before he got into it..sorry major just not a dark angels fan..dark eldar yes yes yes..dark angels no no no.have a great day.
Damn, the idea of Sanguinius killing Horus by entering the Black rage and than the Big E mercy killing him is a cool concept... The Black Rage situation could be explained by Sanguinius witnessing all his Sanguinary Guard dying in battle beside him or something. It's definitely a different and a cool view on the whole plot point.
Not only this it’d explain why the emperor was hurt so badly he held back against his favourite son the golden boy sanguinius but what if instead of his sanguinary guard causing it what if it’s because Horus harmed him and he lost it then realising how far his brother had gone he lost it and ripped apart Horus on a spiritual level then the emperor had to put him down barely
Captain Boris exactly and having a brother betray you hurts on a deeper level more than anything especially one close to you so I could see sanguinius just going crazy and smashing Horus using pure rage almost giving into khorne
"I was never a Son of Horus. I was and remain a Luna Wolf. A son of Cthonia, a loyal servant of the Emperor, beloved by all. I am your enemy." - Garviel Loken's valediction to his former gene-sire Horus Lupercal
Vulkan dies so much because tzeench is actually racist and wants him to die but I won’t let that happen so I gave him infinite lives. That’s one more reason to not join chaos.
Tarik was one of if not my favorite characters in the first three books,so when he died especially in a manner as brutal as beheading it really hit hard.
I liked the old lore that the emperor was only able to defeat horus because the chaos gods abandoned him at his moment of triumph. Meaning this is the universe that they wanted, meaning they won
The last line is the best Loken line. Drops a bomb and just walks away. Glorious. "Part of me wishes I could, sir," said Loken. "Believe me, I want the warmth that being part of something greater brings. I want to belong. I had that with the Legion, but you took that away from me when you stabbed us all in the back". "No," said Horus. "Garviel, no. That's not - " But Loken wasn't about to stop now. "Turning my back on everything I knew, being cut off from the Legion that made me who I am? That was the worst moment of my life. It drove me insane. More than Tarik's death or being buried alive on Isstvan, it was the heartbreak and yawning emptiness that finally broke me." "Then come back to me, Garviel," said Horus. "Feel that warmth again, don't you want to be part of the greatest endeavour the galaxy has ever seen?" "I already was," said Loken, turning his back on Horus. "It was called the Great Crusade."
@@fedyno4reviews no it's defo not siege of Terra series. It's in a Horus heresy novel. Can't remember the one. But it's when they have to sneak back into the Vengeful Spirit to mark the way for the Wolves I'm sure. Loken meets Horus and drops that bomb on him. They escape then. Tbh I vaguely remember. But I'll always remember those lines.
On that note. The custode/sm/man or whoever it might be that charges at Horus after seeing what he has done to the Emperor at the end of the siege. My money is on it being Loken. And after what him and the Emperor spoke about and then seeing him obliterated. The Emperor understand what he has to do. That's my bet.
tts kitten:hey my lord? big e:WHAT IS IT YOU BROTHERFUCKER kitten:you ever find out what happened to garviel loken? magnus:loken? that guys a captain of the luna wolves right? he survived istavann? big e:DONT YOU DARE TALK OF FUCKING LOKEN,THAT MAN IS A BADASS,HE ROASTED FUCKING HORUS NOT ONCE BUT TWICE AND THREW SHADE AT LUCIUS THE BITCH,THAT MAN IS DAMM POWERFUL FOR BEING A BALD C*NT
The chaos gods are pretty much a direct result of humans because human emotions are so strong they create. demons... fucking humans ruining it for everyone else
I think that all the primarchs started with hair because the emperor knew about the rule but when their mum threw them away she shaved the ones who chaos could corrupt easily
Once again Magnus did everything in his power to stop the Heresy, but failed, again. Magnus did nothing wrong intentionally, he just seems to screw up a lot. Failed to save Horus from corruption, failed to warn of Horus's betrayal, breaking the webway project in the process, and failed to save prospero as Magnus likely knew Leeman was on his way, and that Horus might have changed his orders, could have met the space wolves away from prospero and attempted to surrender. For someone so intelligent, Magnus clearly lacked wisdom. Actually Magnus did one thing wrong, should have told tzeentch to get fucked instead of selling his soul, cause if he had any wisdom he would have realized who had been fucking his legion over and would have been absolutely livid at chaos, especially toward Tzeentch. Fucking heretics -_-
What like about Magnus is that he is a good tragic character. He does what he believes best, but 1 flaw, his pride, subverts and corrupts his noble intentions and leads him down the path of villainy. In short, Pride Cometh Before the Fall
Magnus is too interesting of character to be just another dead primarch. That’s why kinda mad how majorkill suggest leman Russ should have killed him in this video as some sort of kill count thing.
In defense, he did not know it was tzeentch to begin with so he actually did nothing wrong intentionally he just done everything wrong accidentally he only had some bits of wisdom because most of his wisdom is focused on how can he prove to all that psykers and the warp is not really a full bad shindig, just needed a lot of unfucking up and a lot of repairs because ya know, the war in heaven happened, slannesh was born, everything that made it into a shitfest
damian kaiserclaw For being debatably the smartest of the Primarchs he never tried to make sure the wool was being pulled over his eyes. His pride blinded him because he could not handle being fooled and used as a pawn
I love the theory about the Heresy’s true ending. I can picture this tragic moment where Horus is alive but physically broken after getting beaten by Sanguinius. And after fending off an enraged hawk boy the big E and Horus have a bitter exchange. It all ends with Sanguinius dying in big Es arms and Horus laughing right up until the moment the big E control alt deletes his ass.
So help me, that whole "Sanguinious kills Horus but goes mad and the Emporer has to euthenise him" is actually a satisfying and ingenius idea. But knowing the Emporer, unless Khorne and Tzeentch make the Black Rage into like the "Dark Abyssal Rampage" then he could magic sone warp and save hawk boy.
I would prefer to leave some room for Sang being alive. Maybe just mortally wounded, anything. Since Ultramarines go their Primarch back - it would suck for other chapters to not be able to get their primarchs.
@@blake3631 Well, We must admit GW wrote themselves into a corner. Given that he's in the basement of their house, the Dark Angels will eventually stumble upon the lion. Looking at how Guilliman was revived, we can infer that after much whining and ramming his *battlebarge* into Yvraine's *webway portal* Sanguinius will be revived too. Russ might actually return before the lion, judging from the return of the 13th great company. Don't worry about Ferrus Manus though he is super dead
@@rayhankazianga6817 Hahha, need to add that to wh40k facts: 1. Erebus is a cunt 2. Space smurfs suck 3. Magnus fails at everything 4. Ferrus Manus is super dead
the part where horus trust erebus over mangus is so weak story wise. Like why would horus trust a normal space marine even if its lorgars 2nd over his litteral primarch brother.
Whose also you know... a super powered pskyer with the probably the most knowledge of warp fuckery out of ANY of them, but na. The preacher douche nozzle is clearly the winning horse here. Shit's stupid yo, though to be fair most of the heresy is stupid honestly. It can all basically be summed up as: The Emperor is a colossal fucking retard and his sons are by and large just as fucking stupid as he is. Seriously, the Heresy is probably something that should have been left vague background lore, because god damn does the attempt to 'flesh it out' make basically everyone involved look incredibly dumb.
@@Tk3997 I mean, it’s pretty much stated in one of the novels that the Horus Heresy was “all part of the plan” or whatever, as, in a unified Galaxy, the Space Marines would be unnecessary. Without an enemy to fight; they would need to be culled. Many of the Primarchs are in the same boat, being arrogant cunts high on their own power.
In the novel where this happens, Magnus can tell it was too late to reverse Horus’s chaos corruption and still tried…. and failed. If Magnus was there before Erebus, or even spent 1/10th of the time with Horus that Erebus spent with him then there would be zero chance Horus trusts Erebus The Cunt, over Magnus. Also, the only reason Magnus even knows or makes it to the “dream/warp” ( i don’t what the fuck they were in, Horus’s head?) to try and stop the Chaos conversion is because Tzeenetch told Magnus, merely to fuck with him and have have him show up too late and spectate the birth of the Horus Heresy, and have a nice chuckle back at the crib.
Interex didn’t have any gene-enhanced troops, but their tech was pretty close to the Dark Age of Technology, with standard ships of the line 3x the size of the Vengeful Spirit (which was like, 30km ish in of itself) bows and arrows that can cut Astartes armor like paper, and paper-thin armor that can tank at least 7 bolter rounds before cracking.
@@fadelsukoco3092 That armour the Interex used was ridiculously strong, despite being paper thin. While this goes completely against their combat doctrine, I can only wonder what a Terminator-style suit made by those guys would be able to tank.
You know, there seems to be a lot of "for want of a nail" moments during the Horus Heresy. There needs to be a timeline where the Blood Ravens steal some time-travel tech from the Necrons, decide to use it to discover their lost history, and then accidentally fixes everything while messing around in the past. Like they prevent the fall of the Interex, kill Erebus before he can cause any more problems, prevent Magnus from breaking the human webway, and probably convince the Tau to use melee weapons. Then they return to the present to find that the Emperor is still alive, most of the Primarchs are around, the Imperium is much more advanced and way less oppressive, and everything has gone all Noblebright.
I personally buy into the emperor struggling to kill Horus. From the first siege of terra book, you can see the emperor is hesitant. The emperor in 30k isn't the corpse anymore and he does feel emotion, albeit not being very good at expressing them. Baldeort's Dorn video and his take on the final confrontation is my personal headcanon at this point
Theory: The deal the Emperor made with Chaos was to make sure that the primarchs were delivered to the perfect planets for bringing out their inner nature and building them up as people. With the bit of leeway they had, they planted the seeds of heresy early. Angron becoming a slave, Mortarion being gross, Lorgar with a bunch of pedo priests, etc. They would put them on a planet that would bring out the facets of their personality that they would suit the chaos god’s purposes best.
Before Horus turned he was my favorite primarch simply because he was so kind and so generous even when people fucked up so bad he had to come reprimand them (ie the commander who drip fed his astartes onto the planet murder) after his fall on davin I was impressed with the lion and haven’t gone back
Spoilers if you haven't read any Siege Of Terra novels yet. It's really interesting when we're looking at things from Abbadon's perspective during the siege. How he now sees Horus, his father being nothing but an empty vessel, filled with malign powers. Abbadon beginning to question, and finally seeing that the man he once knew is dead and gone. Also Abbadon absolutely roasting the other Primarchs after all they do is bitch and whinge, was freaking amazing.
Sheldon Goodfellow The Irony is that given enough time Abbadon himself would be stuck in that predicament. Even though he never truly accepted the sponsorship of one or all of the Chaos gods as the Chaos warlord, they'd still continue to gift him (and curse him) all the time. Until he reached a certain demented state where he can barely deal with it anymore.
The renaming the XVI legion to the Sons of Horus due was originally the Emperors idea, iirc, to commemorate Horus' promotion to Warmaster. Initially Horus thought it was too vainglorious but after Davin, well....
17:10 Here's my idea for a twist on the Big E's battle with Horus what if the reason sanguinus lost and the big E was mortally wounded was because one of the missing primarchs was with Horus and together they managed to clap the cheeks of both the Emperor and Hawk boy. it'd be a great way to introduce them into the story and shed some light on what happened to them. as for how they could have survived? Well for all the talk of him being the emperors executioner Leman is a pretty big softy when it comes to his brothers so it's possible he let them go faked their deaths and claimed he killed them.
Yes Magnus did everything wrong but BOY Leman Russ did nothing right either Imagine being called "Emperors Executioner" but couldn't execute the arch-traitor itself Leman Russ more like Leman Puss 😂
And it took him a whole heresy to realize there is nothing to be proud of being ignorant. How come Malcador teached him to write and read yet didn't teach him what to read?
Don't know if you've read Fury of Magnus yet but spoiler alerts for the greatest piece of fan service out of any fictional work ever... . . . . . . There's a scene where Magnus literally says to the Emperor "I did nothing wrong". It's possibly the most satisfaction I've ever experienced from reading a book.
Guilliman was best suited for the role of Warmaster due to his unrivaled strategic, logistical, and tactical prowess not to mention the precedsnt of Ultramar which was basically, a perfect microchosm of the Emperor's plans for the Imperium of Man. Besides, Guilliman was after all, the space Roman and they were building an elpire.
@@TheTrueFeleas I wonder how differently the Great Crusade would have played out if Guilliman had been declared Warmaster instead of Horus. I also wonder how differently the Horus Heresy would have played out if Magnus had instead, warned some of his fellow Primarchs. He couldn't reach the Emperor without breaching the Webway barrier, but maybe he could have reached one of his loyalist brothers.
Abbadon didnt repaint his legions armour in mourning for Horus, he repainted it in acknowledgement of Horus's failure. The novels black legion and Talon of Horus give the full origin of the Black legion
True. Sons of Horus were being hunted by every chaos legion in the Eye of Terror. They were so pissed off at them. He probably didn't like getting attacked on sight and thought a makeover was in order.
@@licensed_beheader Because they thought it was Sons of Horus' fault that they lost the war and had to go into exile. They didn't realize that most of them had gone completely insane, especially Emperors Children, and were all at fault.
@@Sidraughen Ooh makes sense I also think with the emperor gone they had to find some reason to hate someone else , vent their frustrations and justify their failures. Since many of them still had some semblance of sanity which was slowly becoming twisted by the masters they chose.
There was only 6 traitor primarchs at the Siege of Terra. Curze was locked in a stasis box drifting through space and I'm 80% sure Lorgar was in hiding after getting punked and threatened by Horus for trying to betray him since he hasn't been mentioned a single time in the series so far.
feel like it would be a good alternative, if the Emperor instead of being unable to kill Horus, but instead, was trying to perform an exorcism through out the fight, only to decide that it is not possible as Horus is too far gone, and then kills him.
It's funny how even with the non bald traitors you can sort of explain why they're somewhat good, proving this theory as right: Fulgrim was corrupted by a demon blade Konrad was split personality. You could argue konrad was good while nighthaunter was evil. Magnus was misunderstood by the emperor who thought he was traitor, but really was just going to warn him
one small caveat because I'm a lore nerd, Horus renamed the Lunar Wolves to The Sons of Horus after killing the Interex, but before Davon. It wasn't just to show his new colors, as he turned later.
Ah yes...the first legion i ever read about in 40k...the beginnings with garviel loken in the book horus rising...the thing that first got me into 40k...my favourite legion... Luna wolves..too bad they don't exist anymore..
I think, Emperor was about to off Horus and asked him "Why would you betray me, when I offered you the whole galaxy?" to which he replied with the vision of the the future that he was shown. Emperor was shocked that he is about to screw up that badly and Horus used that opportunity to strike him. Or maybe everything was according to plan.
Major moment you didn’t mention.. when Horus was wounded his mournival while carrying him violently stampeded hundreds of remembrancers/crewmen. Which brought them even closer to chaos.
Hey Majorkill, I really do enjoy these short explanations on the SM legions! Could you consider doing the Alpha legion next? There's really a lack of videos on them that explain them fully.
13:11 my first thought as soon as I heard this. I am rylonor I am the ancient of rights, I will reject you for now and for always, To strike you down I have waited for a million nights. Stringstorm you absolute legend
I started searching for WH lore channels but all of them are an hour long bloated narration that takes everything too seriously.. then i found you.. and now i appreciate those channels more. Thank you
I'm actually really excited because all the info i got all my info on the Luna Wolfs from reading warhammer wiki now i can play my first Yakuza 0 experience with autism playing, cheers
I like to cut all my hair when ever it gets too tall and can confirm every time I do that I have this weird felling like I want to break the Geneva convention
When he got caught on Nuceria he had long red hair with nails sticking out here and there. Imagine how hard is to shave your head when its literally covered in FM antennas
i'm a simple man i remember istvaan 3, i cry... also i just listened to the audiobook that has molech in it and the big furry didn't go there, it was a basically the future grey knights that went there to map the vengful spirit for leman to go there and kill him
The casualty numbers always bothered me as well. TRILLIONS had to die in The Horus Heresy, not simply billions, it had to be trillions of casualties. Tens of Thousands of worlds fell, and the majority of Imperial planets had/have multiple hive cities which consists of billions to hundred billion.
When a Primarch like Horus falls to chaos, do they have to get a new set of power armour forged? Or does their current set of power armour transform on its own? Assuming the correct answer to this applies to their legion as well?
I know you've had to tone it down, sadly, but talk about the diff Titans and the Titans of Choas. Mix it up, it's hard not getting a chub when it's a 12 Story War Machine of epicness!
Moral of the story, being Bald in Warhammer makes you evil.
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I did not notice that until you pointed it out. Wow. Awesome!!
Tell that to Apollo Diomedes, he is bald but not fewlish
Make the alpha legion vid
sorry dude the lion sat on the fence..waiting to see who would win.before he got into it..sorry major just not a dark angels fan..dark eldar yes yes yes..dark angels no no no.have a great day.
Majorkill but, but, but, MAYJERKEEL, VULKAN is Bald, but he’s GüüüüüD !
Me: *notices early onset male pattern balding at the ripe age of 22*
Also me: "I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME!"
_Embrace the Corruption_
Embrace the dark Gods.
Hmmm, I suggest a good finger blasting!
"IT IS A GOOD PAIN !!!"
@@comteraffayn8351 Chill rimmy man
Damn, the idea of Sanguinius killing Horus by entering the Black rage and than the Big E mercy killing him is a cool concept... The Black Rage situation could be explained by Sanguinius witnessing all his Sanguinary Guard dying in battle beside him or something. It's definitely a different and a cool view on the whole plot point.
This is my canon now.
Not only this it’d explain why the emperor was hurt so badly he held back against his favourite son the golden boy sanguinius but what if instead of his sanguinary guard causing it what if it’s because Horus harmed him and he lost it then realising how far his brother had gone he lost it and ripped apart Horus on a spiritual level then the emperor had to put him down barely
@@almightykingpin6322 Yeah that would be even better, Sanguinius and Horus did share a strong brothers bond after all.
Captain Boris exactly and having a brother betray you hurts on a deeper level more than anything especially one close to you so I could see sanguinius just going crazy and smashing Horus using pure rage almost giving into khorne
Nah, all the mythology, art and iconography of the Horus Heresy sees Sanguinius killed by Horus, they'll never just trash it.
"I was never a Son of Horus. I was and remain a Luna Wolf. A son of Cthonia, a loyal servant of the Emperor, beloved by all. I am your enemy." - Garviel Loken's valediction to his former gene-sire Horus Lupercal
Hey wait a minute, I'm bald. But then again I'm also black. Carry on.
😂😂😂
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Then you're the good guy, just like Vulkan.
Huzzah! Vulkan lives!!
bald but Canadian, is that like a double negative or?
*Golden power armour turns, long dark locks flick in super slow motion flowing like water across our view*
"For the Emperor, because he's worth it."
Wow
The Chad Emperor vs the Virgin Gods
So hair = plot armor. No wonder Vulkan dies so much.
Luckily for Vulcan he inputted the infinite lives cheat code
@@hilkmeister1382 damn. Kinda need that code.
Actually, John Grammaticus permanently killed Vulkan
Artellys Numelon had to sacrifice himself to bring Vulkan back from the dead
Black dude always dies
Vulkan dies so much because tzeench is actually racist and wants him to die but I won’t let that happen so I gave him infinite lives. That’s one more reason to not join chaos.
Where were u when Tarik Torgaddon die
I was at ship, drinking vine when servitor ring
"Torgaddon is kil"
"No"
Tarik was one of if not my favorite characters in the first three books,so when he died especially in a manner as brutal as beheading it really hit hard.
@@mustin2481 Yeah, I was really hoping for more. Like him kicking Eidolon's pretty little ass on a duel or something.
@@mustin2481 Still recovering from the trauma myself.
At least aximand got his face choped off
david Jones wait he did? I thought he was still alive
I liked the old lore that the emperor was only able to defeat horus because the chaos gods abandoned him at his moment of triumph. Meaning this is the universe that they wanted, meaning they won
Old lore?
Are they rewriting stuff?
Just getting jbtk all this so idk wyf is what
That is honestly way better than anything else. Definitely my cannon now.
0:19 "But Majorkill the emperor has been a skeleton for 10,000 years and does not have hair anymore."
LIES HERETIC
you could say that Big E is kinda a bad guy as well lightning warriors and all u know ..
OHHH SHIT THE INQUISITION
STFU TIMMY!
SHUT YOUR HAIRLESS BALLSACK OF A MOUTH, TIMMY - BEFORE I MAKE YOU DRINK A BOTTLE OF SHAMPOO AGAIN!
Shut up timmy or I will show you what a "bone" can do to you.
As a bald man I appreciate your reminders of the benefits of remaining humble, like Horus.
Haha funny
Hey we missed you at the "World domination planing" convention.
I was supposed to bring the biscuits
The last line is the best Loken line. Drops a bomb and just walks away. Glorious.
"Part of me wishes I could, sir," said Loken. "Believe me, I want the warmth that being part of something greater brings. I want to belong. I had that with the Legion, but you took that away from me when you stabbed us all in the back".
"No," said Horus. "Garviel, no. That's not - "
But Loken wasn't about to stop now. "Turning my back on everything I knew, being cut off from the Legion that made me who I am? That was the worst moment of my life. It drove me insane. More than Tarik's death or being buried alive on Isstvan, it was the heartbreak and yawning emptiness that finally broke me."
"Then come back to me, Garviel," said Horus. "Feel that warmth again, don't you want to be part of the greatest endeavour the galaxy has ever seen?"
"I already was," said Loken, turning his back on Horus. "It was called the Great Crusade."
Wow! When does he say this? in seige of terra?
@@fedyno4reviews no it's defo not siege of Terra series. It's in a Horus heresy novel. Can't remember the one. But it's when they have to sneak back into the Vengeful Spirit to mark the way for the Wolves I'm sure. Loken meets Horus and drops that bomb on him. They escape then. Tbh I vaguely remember. But I'll always remember those lines.
On that note. The custode/sm/man or whoever it might be that charges at Horus after seeing what he has done to the Emperor at the end of the siege. My money is on it being Loken. And after what him and the Emperor spoke about and then seeing him obliterated. The Emperor understand what he has to do. That's my bet.
@@fedyno4reviews the novel you seek is Wolfsbane
tts
kitten:hey my lord?
big e:WHAT IS IT YOU BROTHERFUCKER
kitten:you ever find out what happened to garviel loken?
magnus:loken? that guys a captain of the luna wolves right? he survived istavann?
big e:DONT YOU DARE TALK OF FUCKING LOKEN,THAT MAN IS A BADASS,HE ROASTED FUCKING HORUS NOT ONCE BUT TWICE AND THREW SHADE AT LUCIUS THE BITCH,THAT MAN IS DAMM POWERFUL FOR BEING A BALD C*NT
14:45 Good on ya for giving Perty some credit. He was the only one of the nine that was still somewhat sane by the Siege of Terra.
Plot twist: Leman's chaos taint is that he feels mercy when he's just about to get to do his job. #ironiccorruption
You might just be onto something there.🤔
It's just being human.
Very ironic
@@grantdelosangeles5357 being human is the first step to being chaos
The chaos gods are pretty much a direct result of humans because human emotions are so strong they create. demons... fucking humans ruining it for everyone else
Cant wait for alpha legion, that's gonna be a confusing or short video
...but how do we know it hasnt already been released under a different name and channel?
@@garpogods8323 oh dear terra
YOUR RIGHT
"G'day guise and ghal! Uhh.... Yeah I got no fucking idea. Buy my hentai i guess"
Just as planned...
I've been waiting for Mk to make a video on the Alpha Legion for ages... its the only way for me to understand that confusing shit
I think that all the primarchs started with hair because the emperor knew about the rule but when their mum threw them away she shaved the ones who chaos could corrupt easily
The hair is an aegis against chaos corruption.
@@dac314 which is kinda ironic since most of its followers in Fantasy had hair.
She trimmed a little bit of hair on the Khan but forgot about Fulgim and Curze.
@@svagglaorde4387 and Vulkan.
*Fulgrim has beautiful hair*
*Fulgrim falls to chaos*
Australian: "Cunting what?"
Mortarian also has hair but don’t tell Majorkill that
I'm pretty sure Fulgrim meticulously manscapes his pubes so that also counts as sort-of-bald in a way.
It was supposed to be the Khan no Fulgrim though. And he's mostly fucking bald lol
Fulgrim wouldnt have fallen to chaos if he didnt get tricked with his dumb demon sword he naturally would not have been evil so the theory stands
He uses a wig
Once again Magnus did everything in his power to stop the Heresy, but failed, again. Magnus did nothing wrong intentionally, he just seems to screw up a lot. Failed to save Horus from corruption, failed to warn of Horus's betrayal, breaking the webway project in the process, and failed to save prospero as Magnus likely knew Leeman was on his way, and that Horus might have changed his orders, could have met the space wolves away from prospero and attempted to surrender. For someone so intelligent, Magnus clearly lacked wisdom. Actually Magnus did one thing wrong, should have told tzeentch to get fucked instead of selling his soul, cause if he had any wisdom he would have realized who had been fucking his legion over and would have been absolutely livid at chaos, especially toward Tzeentch. Fucking heretics -_-
What like about Magnus is that he is a good tragic character. He does what he believes best, but 1 flaw, his pride, subverts and corrupts his noble intentions and leads him down the path of villainy. In short, Pride Cometh Before the Fall
@@hilkmeister1382 Yes to both of you
Magnus is too interesting of character to be just another dead primarch. That’s why kinda mad how majorkill suggest leman Russ should have killed him in this video as some sort of kill count thing.
In defense, he did not know it was tzeentch to begin with so he actually did nothing wrong intentionally he just done everything wrong accidentally he only had some bits of wisdom because most of his wisdom is focused on how can he prove to all that psykers and the warp is not really a full bad shindig, just needed a lot of unfucking up and a lot of repairs because ya know, the war in heaven happened, slannesh was born, everything that made it into a shitfest
damian kaiserclaw For being debatably the smartest of the Primarchs he never tried to make sure the wool was being pulled over his eyes. His pride blinded him because he could not handle being fooled and used as a pawn
I love the theory about the Heresy’s true ending. I can picture this tragic moment where Horus is alive but physically broken after getting beaten by Sanguinius. And after fending off an enraged hawk boy the big E and Horus have a bitter exchange. It all ends with Sanguinius dying in big Es arms and Horus laughing right up until the moment the big E control alt deletes his ass.
Ah, my favorite legion, pre-corruption anyways. If Erebus hadn't been recruited into the legions they'd still be the cool dudes they are.
The legion with my man Tarik Torgaddon in it is by default the best one. Oh Tarik...
@@tagrerte4701 And Loken, he's cool too.
@@sonofjack6286 Torgadden is the funniest marine full stop
So help me, that whole "Sanguinious kills Horus but goes mad and the Emporer has to euthenise him" is actually a satisfying and ingenius idea.
But knowing the Emporer, unless Khorne and Tzeentch make the Black Rage into like the "Dark Abyssal Rampage" then he could magic sone warp and save hawk boy.
@Legion of the damned
Well, that would just be Primarch plot armor at that point.
I would prefer to leave some room for Sang being alive. Maybe just mortally wounded, anything. Since Ultramarines go their Primarch back - it would suck for other chapters to not be able to get their primarchs.
@@honestbenny I'd much the rather they *don't*. Xenos factions are already having a shit one, don't need to throw onto that pile.
@@blake3631 Well, We must admit GW wrote themselves into a corner. Given that he's in the basement of their house, the Dark Angels will eventually stumble upon the lion. Looking at how Guilliman was revived, we can infer that after much whining and ramming his *battlebarge* into Yvraine's *webway portal* Sanguinius will be revived too. Russ might actually return before the lion, judging from the return of the 13th great company. Don't worry about Ferrus Manus though he is super dead
@@rayhankazianga6817 Hahha, need to add that to wh40k facts:
1. Erebus is a cunt
2. Space smurfs suck
3. Magnus fails at everything
4. Ferrus Manus is super dead
the part where horus trust erebus over mangus is so weak story wise. Like why would horus trust a normal space marine even if its lorgars 2nd over his litteral primarch brother.
Whose also you know... a super powered pskyer with the probably the most knowledge of warp fuckery out of ANY of them, but na. The preacher douche nozzle is clearly the winning horse here.
Shit's stupid yo, though to be fair most of the heresy is stupid honestly. It can all basically be summed up as: The Emperor is a colossal fucking retard and his sons are by and large just as fucking stupid as he is. Seriously, the Heresy is probably something that should have been left vague background lore, because god damn does the attempt to 'flesh it out' make basically everyone involved look incredibly dumb.
@@Tk3997 I mean, it’s pretty much stated in one of the novels that the Horus Heresy was “all part of the plan” or whatever, as, in a unified Galaxy, the Space Marines would be unnecessary. Without an enemy to fight; they would need to be culled. Many of the Primarchs are in the same boat, being arrogant cunts high on their own power.
@@Tk3997 Damn, your account is so old. How come you still manage to hold it on?
@@andreheri4546 What do you mean? Ive been using the same one since 2009 as well
In the novel where this happens, Magnus can tell it was too late to reverse Horus’s chaos corruption and still tried…. and failed. If Magnus was there before Erebus, or even spent 1/10th of the time with Horus that Erebus spent with him then there would be zero chance Horus trusts Erebus The Cunt, over Magnus. Also, the only reason Magnus even knows or makes it to the “dream/warp” ( i don’t what the fuck they were in, Horus’s head?) to try and stop the Chaos conversion is because Tzeenetch told Magnus, merely to fuck with him and have have him show up too late and spectate the birth of the Horus Heresy, and have a nice chuckle back at the crib.
The interex did have space marines too.. just without the genetic modification
The auretion technocracy did.
The interex sounded more like human eldar
@@kingbejita9680 the interex sound more like the space coalition thingy from star trek
@Abserd O FHUCK EREBUS!!!!!!!
Interex didn’t have any gene-enhanced troops, but their tech was pretty close to the Dark Age of Technology, with standard ships of the line 3x the size of the Vengeful Spirit (which was like, 30km ish in of itself) bows and arrows that can cut Astartes armor like paper, and paper-thin armor that can tank at least 7 bolter rounds before cracking.
@@fadelsukoco3092 That armour the Interex used was ridiculously strong, despite being paper thin. While this goes completely against their combat doctrine, I can only wonder what a Terminator-style suit made by those guys would be able to tank.
That alternate Sanguinius ending was very symbolic. Almost like a portent of how the Imperium would evolve over millenia of war.
"Baldness is the first step to commit warcrimes" Chapter Master Helbrecht and Gabriel Seth in a nutshell
You know, there seems to be a lot of "for want of a nail" moments during the Horus Heresy.
There needs to be a timeline where the Blood Ravens steal some time-travel tech from the Necrons, decide to use it to discover their lost history, and then accidentally fixes everything while messing around in the past. Like they prevent the fall of the Interex, kill Erebus before he can cause any more problems, prevent Magnus from breaking the human webway, and probably convince the Tau to use melee weapons.
Then they return to the present to find that the Emperor is still alive, most of the Primarchs are around, the Imperium is much more advanced and way less oppressive, and everything has gone all Noblebright.
I personally buy into the emperor struggling to kill Horus. From the first siege of terra book, you can see the emperor is hesitant. The emperor in 30k isn't the corpse anymore and he does feel emotion, albeit not being very good at expressing them.
Baldeort's Dorn video and his take on the final confrontation is my personal headcanon at this point
Theory: The deal the Emperor made with Chaos was to make sure that the primarchs were delivered to the perfect planets for bringing out their inner nature and building them up as people. With the bit of leeway they had, they planted the seeds of heresy early. Angron becoming a slave, Mortarion being gross, Lorgar with a bunch of pedo priests, etc. They would put them on a planet that would bring out the facets of their personality that they would suit the chaos god’s purposes best.
Before Horus turned he was my favorite primarch simply because he was so kind and so generous even when people fucked up so bad he had to come reprimand them (ie the commander who drip fed his astartes onto the planet murder) after his fall on davin I was impressed with the lion and haven’t gone back
Spoilers if you haven't read any Siege Of Terra novels yet.
It's really interesting when we're looking at things from Abbadon's perspective during the siege. How he now sees Horus, his father being nothing but an empty vessel, filled with malign powers. Abbadon beginning to question, and finally seeing that the man he once knew is dead and gone.
Also Abbadon absolutely roasting the other Primarchs after all they do is bitch and whinge, was freaking amazing.
Sheldon Goodfellow The Irony is that given enough time Abbadon himself would be stuck in that predicament. Even though he never truly accepted the sponsorship of one or all of the Chaos gods as the Chaos warlord, they'd still continue to gift him (and curse him) all the time. Until he reached a certain demented state where he can barely deal with it anymore.
Both Horus and Abaddon are expendable and know it
They only live to serve as entertainment
I've been looking forward to this
beat me to it
Horus: Let the galaxy burn 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
My powers have doubled since we last met commissar
@@nathanieleck1023 it matters not
The renaming the XVI legion to the Sons of Horus due was originally the Emperors idea, iirc, to commemorate Horus' promotion to Warmaster. Initially Horus thought it was too vainglorious but after Davin, well....
I love the idea of how the Emperor could actually have been wounded by Sanguinius. Such juicy story opportunities with that twist.
I love the gentle pug squeezing technique really helps with those musty crawl spaces
Abaddon is such a Failure that he wasn't even able to get fully bald
Weren't the Interex a human colony? It sounded kinda like they're xenos in the video. Otherwise great vid as always :)
They had some xenos, including some with warp powers
Yes and no, they were a coalition. Among which there were humans.
The main force were humans that subdued and absorbs alein races, and even were allied and helped by the Eldar.
Their great crime was "suffering the alien to live." That's not cool. Can't do that. Gotta maintain human supremacy and hegemony.
2:51:
The best description of Angron I've ever heard.
17:10 Here's my idea for a twist on the Big E's battle with Horus what if the reason sanguinus lost and the big E was mortally wounded was because one of the missing primarchs was with Horus and together they managed to clap the cheeks of both the Emperor and Hawk boy.
it'd be a great way to introduce them into the story and shed some light on what happened to them. as for how they could have survived? Well for all the talk of him being the emperors executioner Leman is a pretty big softy when it comes to his brothers so it's possible he let them go faked their deaths and claimed he killed them.
Garviel Loken, my favorite hero of 40k.
That sanguinius ending would be SO GOOD. thus it's never gonna happen. But that is an absolutely glorious idea.
If Horus had hair it would have shielded his mind from chaos.
I’m just starting the Rising Horus and loken is already my favorite. I’m glad he lives.
Yes Magnus did everything wrong but BOY Leman Russ did nothing right either
Imagine being called "Emperors Executioner" but couldn't execute the arch-traitor itself
Leman Russ more like Leman Puss 😂
Leman pussy destroyer
And it took him a whole heresy to realize there is nothing to be proud of being ignorant. How come Malcador teached him to write and read yet didn't teach him what to read?
Excuse my HERESY but what type of shrooms Emperor took to put Leman Rus as his executioner ?
Don't know if you've read Fury of Magnus yet but spoiler alerts for the greatest piece of fan service out of any fictional work ever...
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There's a scene where Magnus literally says to the Emperor "I did nothing wrong".
It's possibly the most satisfaction I've ever experienced from reading a book.
Russ appointed himself executioner, Angron makes some very good points about how much of a cock Russ is in betrayer.
Guilliman was best suited for the role of Warmaster due to his unrivaled strategic, logistical, and tactical prowess not to mention the precedsnt of Ultramar which was basically, a perfect microchosm of the Emperor's plans for the Imperium of Man. Besides, Guilliman was after all, the space Roman and they were building an elpire.
And 10,000 years later, Guilliman got his way.
JUST AS PLANNED!
@@TheTrueFeleas I wonder how differently the Great Crusade would have played out if Guilliman had been declared Warmaster instead of Horus.
I also wonder how differently the Horus Heresy would have played out if Magnus had instead, warned some of his fellow Primarchs. He couldn't reach the Emperor without breaching the Webway barrier, but maybe he could have reached one of his loyalist brothers.
Abbadon didnt repaint his legions armour in mourning for Horus, he repainted it in acknowledgement of Horus's failure. The novels black legion and Talon of Horus give the full origin of the Black legion
That's also why we hate lorgar
True. Sons of Horus were being hunted by every chaos legion in the Eye of Terror. They were so pissed off at them. He probably didn't like getting attacked on sight and thought a makeover was in order.
@@Sidraughen why exactly were they pissed?? They chose to betray the god emperor.
@@licensed_beheader Because they thought it was Sons of Horus' fault that they lost the war and had to go into exile. They didn't realize that most of them had gone completely insane, especially Emperors Children, and were all at fault.
@@Sidraughen Ooh makes sense I also think with the emperor gone they had to find some reason to hate someone else , vent their frustrations and justify their failures. Since many of them still had some semblance of sanity which was slowly becoming twisted by the masters they chose.
I really want the saguinus- emperor fight to become cannon
Vulcan is almost always on fire so his lack of hair is more than excusable.
There was only 6 traitor primarchs at the Siege of Terra. Curze was locked in a stasis box drifting through space and I'm 80% sure Lorgar was in hiding after getting punked and threatened by Horus for trying to betray him since he hasn't been mentioned a single time in the series so far.
The black legion would be a good sequel for this
I actually really like that alternate ending. Even makes more sense if some ways.
feel like it would be a good alternative, if the Emperor instead of being unable to kill Horus, but instead, was trying to perform an exorcism through out the fight, only to decide that it is not possible as Horus is too far gone, and then kills him.
It's funny how even with the non bald traitors you can sort of explain why they're somewhat good, proving this theory as right:
Fulgrim was corrupted by a demon blade
Konrad was split personality. You could argue konrad was good while nighthaunter was evil.
Magnus was misunderstood by the emperor who thought he was traitor, but really was just going to warn him
Magnus was so bad at being good that he was evil.
But what about Vulcan. He’s bald but the friendliest friend to ever have friends
Check 0:38
But yes, I would like to be crushed by one of Vulcan’s super Primarch hugs.
Vulkan is black so he's good
Interesting theory, would love to see how it plays out.
"Horus (or maybe Abbadon)"
OMG THE THEORIES ARE FLOWING!
Are the Interex basically the tau but Cooler
the tau minus the greater good communist shtick
Holy crap! I have the same theory on what happened between the Emperor and horus' duel. The black rage is such an OP defect
My favorite chapter is the luna wolves nice to see you do a video about it mate
one small caveat because I'm a lore nerd, Horus renamed the Lunar Wolves to The Sons of Horus after killing the Interex, but before Davon. It wasn't just to show his new colors, as he turned later.
It's not boldness that's the problem It's the loss of our beloved hair that puts us over the edge
You might need to take this down I feel the imperial palace shake and lord adorable is nowhere around
Great video I loved the Colab with SleepySack 💥🍻
Your heresy twist is brilliant. I can absolutely get behind that.
15:23: when the final boss becomes a playable character.
“I was there, the day that Horus killed the Emperor”
Slew....slew the emperor.
That alternate ending with sanguinius is genius.
Ah yes...the first legion i ever read about in 40k...the beginnings with garviel loken in the book horus rising...the thing that first got me into 40k...my favourite legion... Luna wolves..too bad they don't exist anymore..
Imagine if WH40 had a multiverse, like a whole version of the story where Horus resisted and didn’t fall to chaos.
Your alternate story is very interesting..
Definitely better than other stories I've heard.
I think, Emperor was about to off Horus and asked him "Why would you betray me, when I offered you the whole galaxy?" to which he replied with the vision of the the future that he was shown. Emperor was shocked that he is about to screw up that badly and Horus used that opportunity to strike him. Or maybe everything was according to plan.
Oeh, I like your plot twist of big E killing Sangy that turned to the Black Rage!
Always had this nagging feeling that the interex probably had stuff to deal with chaotic poisons and so on sad he finished them
Well tbf Leman only hesitated because Horus feigned sanity and regret.
Major moment you didn’t mention.. when Horus was wounded his mournival while carrying him violently stampeded hundreds of remembrancers/crewmen. Which brought them even closer to chaos.
OMG that Horus/Sanguinius plot twist was great! I like it..
Hey Majorkill, I really do enjoy these short explanations on the SM legions! Could you consider doing the Alpha legion next? There's really a lack of videos on them that explain them fully.
13:11 my first thought as soon as I heard this.
I am rylonor I am the ancient of rights, I will reject you for now and for always, To strike you down I have waited for a million nights.
Stringstorm you absolute legend
Wait so is my dad an evil madman? Explains a lot
The biggest orc force should be in the quadrillions or trillions
I started searching for WH lore channels but all of them are an hour long bloated narration that takes everything too seriously.. then i found you.. and now i appreciate those channels more. Thank you
Btw if i remember the books correctly the knife wasnt inherently a chaos knife, it was simply an enchanted xeno blade...
Notice how majorkill is almost bald
I'm actually really excited because all the info i got all my info on the Luna Wolfs from reading warhammer wiki now i can play my first Yakuza 0 experience with autism playing, cheers
"But Majorkill, Vulkan doesn't have hair and is the nicest primarch of them all"
Cos he is black :v
I had no idea what kind of content I was walking into when I clicked on this video but I'm glad I came. It's funny af
I like to cut all my hair when ever it gets too tall and can confirm every time I do that I have this weird felling like I want to break the Geneva convention
But Majorkill, the Tau are all bald and they aren't all evil!
I was reeeeaaallllyyyyy expecting a "this video is sponsored by Keeps" at the beginning there
Angron has butchers nail dreadlocks though, does that count as bald?
It's technically a wig, so it isn't
When he got caught on Nuceria he had long red hair with nails sticking out here and there. Imagine how hard is to shave your head when its literally covered in FM antennas
That ending with Sang would be perfect
i'm a simple man i remember istvaan 3, i cry...
also i just listened to the audiobook that has molech in it and the big furry didn't go there, it was a basically the future grey knights that went there to map the vengful spirit for leman to go there and kill him
The casualty numbers always bothered me as well.
TRILLIONS had to die in The Horus Heresy, not simply billions, it had to be trillions of casualties. Tens of Thousands of worlds fell, and the majority of Imperial planets had/have multiple hive cities which consists of billions to hundred billion.
Holy shit, that alternative version of the showdown sounds AMAZING!
When a Primarch like Horus falls to chaos, do they have to get a new set of power armour forged? Or does their current set of power armour transform on its own? Assuming the correct answer to this applies to their legion as well?
That would be a very interesting conclusion to the horus heresy. Good call
Great video, I love how horus’ hair is literally the reason he went down the wrong path
Y'know, there could actually be a real life Warhammer 40K somewhere in this universe.
My doctor who tried to give me a seizure at meth odist
I know you've had to tone it down, sadly, but talk about the diff Titans and the Titans of Choas. Mix it up, it's hard not getting a chub when it's a 12 Story War Machine of epicness!
So wait, Magnus never wanted to be evil. Case in point, his beautiful mane of glory.