Timothy Snyder ─ Black Earth: The Holocaust as History and Warning
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Timothy Snyder is the Bird White Housum Professor of History at Yale University, specializing in the history of central and eastern Europe. He will discuss his recent bestselling book Black Earth: The Holocaust as History and Warning.
In this epic history of extermination and survival, Timothy Snyder presents a new explanation of the great atrocity of the twentieth century, and reveals the risks that we face in the twenty-first. Based on new sources from eastern Europe and forgotten testimonies from Jewish survivors, Black Earth recounts the mass murder of the Jews as an event that is still close to us, more comprehensible than we would like to think, and thus all the more terrifying.
The Holocaust began in a dark but accessible place, in Hitler’s mind, with the thought that the elimination of Jews would restore balance to the planet and allow Germans to win the resources they desperately needed. Such a worldview could be realized only if Germany destroyed other states, so Hitler’s aim was a colonial war in Europe itself. In the zones of statelessness, almost all Jews died. A few people, the righteous few, aided them, without support from institutions. Much of the new research in this book is devoted to understanding these extraordinary individuals. The almost insurmountable difficulties they faced only confirm the dangers of state destruction and ecological panic. These men and women should be emulated, but in similar circumstances few of us would do so.
By overlooking the lessons of the Holocaust, Snyder concludes, we have misunderstood modernity and endangered the future. The early twenty-first century is coming to resemble the early twentieth, as growing preoccupations with food and water accompany ideological challenges to global order. Our world is closer to Hitler’s than we like to admit, and saving it requires us to see the Holocaust as it was - and ourselves as we are. Groundbreaking, authoritative, and utterly absorbing, Black Earth reveals a Holocaust that is not only history but warning.
Co-sponsored by the Holocaust Initiative at Brown University.
just finished listening to the full series of lectures from prof. Snyder on the history of Ukraine. Such a gift to be able to learn from such great teachers, thank you to the Yale university for sharing their best teachers with us
even more worthwhile to watch/hear:
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Could this happen again? Yes. Whenever critical thinking and discussions are stifled, this can happen again.
It is happening again in Ukraine. For 8 months.
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The last time a Jew [lazar Kaganovich] was in charge of Ukraine it led to the Holodomor.
History is repeating itself but this time it’s a Jewish actor-wtf
Actually, it may happen whenever a counter-revolutionary movement backed by the dominant economic interests seizes on the opportunity of a deep social crisis to ally itself with the most extremely prejudiced, intolerant and violent elements in our society to hammer at designated culprits and fabricated foes serving as guinea pigs so as to obfuscate the real causes of the crisis, and ultimately protect pre-existing hierarchies and privileges, preserve the prevailing social order, and bring about a more radically exclusive and oppressive society. That's the general definition of fascism.
I feel sorry for the bastard that tries to do that to Americans
@@NKdidit.24 It happened in America to the indigene people. How many natives where killed and slaughtered during the so called Colonization?
Mind blowing lecture about human nature
Thank you, great lecture. Incredibly timely.
Very very interesting. Thank you for this.
Loved this guy for some time. Just got done watching, or listening rather to his recent Yale Ukrainian history lectures they uploaded to TH-cam.
His approach to looking at history and dedication to looking at it using the most accurate facts possible is very similar to how I tend to examine things throughout my life. I've watched a similar talk from around the same time, but his comment in this one on adding causality to the historical facts and stories kinda gave me an "ah ha" moment. I think I tend to do that, so it could be why I can find a lot of educational text/instruction lacking for loss of a better term. I've never been able to put my finger on it, but that may be it. Anyway, I think his work is great and am always thankful to have access to more of it. Thanks
Same
@@cynthiaarnold1371 ditto
Timothy is right. History never stops
It's the worst thing that ever happened to us.
Well yeah,what happened 1 second ago is technically history
@@Swellington_ lol. Stahp.
Thank you, again.
I just discovered prof Snyder and he's just so great. He makes sense of lots of things I couldn't understand before. I wonder if this logic is applicable to places in Ukraine where Russian soldiers disrupted the functioning of the state for some time and committed mass killings.
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The Russians made occupied territory a Russian state, which did not prevent them from mass killings. In fact, Russians killed many millions without destroying the Soviet state. I think his reasoning is confusing and overcomplicated.
Keep in mind that the Azov Battalion, who have guys in the UNG, committed mass killings well before the Russians made a move on Ukraine.
Immense work that especially helps us in our current times, like his other profetic works or his recent work about the history of Ukraine.
It's a great lecture.
I am struggling with his concept of “the politics of eternity”
Does that exclude the past present and future or embrace them or neither or both
Listening on 2/20/17 ... so prescient & even more relevant today than a few months ago.
Yes, it sounds prescient. Professor Snyder has an encyclopaedic knowledge about the Easter Europe, the place history goes wrong. I know it because I live here. The worst part is that the worst is still to come.
I am listening 8/20/2022 5 years later and things are progressing in the US, but it seems like things are under the radar. If not for those like Prof Snyder, Prof Jason Stanley, Dr Cornell West and Malcolm Nance many things may go unnoticed.
Where does this lecture actually begin??
We all have to turn to God and accept his redemption and a new life by Christ our saviour. There is no other way to escape evil and condemnation..
We (Ukrainians) were faster to react to Russia's acts of information war(along with actual one), since we deal with them for several centuries, their methods have not really changed.
This was a very interesting discussion, thank you!
Maria Nemashkalo In the US, I'm ashamed to say, the news don't talk much about Ukraine. I hope things are well for you!!!!
Thank you for your support! Our fighting continues and we really hope Trump will not reduce current support from the US due to his unrealistic view on Russia
Maria Nemashkalo Another hello from the US. Sorry I don't have an actual intellectual response, I just wanted to say you're beautiful 😊
I hope that you and your fellow Ukrainians stay strong, Maria!! A lot of us in America wish Ukraine the best in its struggle with Russia. Best wishes!!
Maria hope you and your fellow Ukrainians are able to stray strong and independent. Supporting you from afar! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦💪❤️
Thank you for bringing, Professor Timothy Snyder, to us here on TH-cam! - 💛💙Pro-Democracy author of his cogent book, "ON TYRANNY" - Also Timothy Snyder's - Yale School lectures - on UKRAINE are truly phenomenal; (on TH-cam).
Honestly, I was overwhelmed ???
Maybe I'm just stating an oversimplification, but when certain situations happen, when the right amount or kind of chaos happens, a certain percentage of people are going to act badly. You shake the beehive up enough, the bees begin stinging anything around them, anything they perceive as an outsider.
Sure. But "certain situations" do not just "happen", it's people with an agenda who are actively working to provoke them.
» I am a Leninist [...] Lenin wanted to destroy the state and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down and destroy all of today’s establishment.
(Steve Bannon, according to www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/06/lenin-white-house-steve-bannon)
Bannon gets scarier the more I read about him.
Most bees don't only sting certain ethnic groups.
@@DasPanda They sting whoever they can, whoever lacks the resources and abilities to get away.
@@NoWay1969 Still, the number of people that were fervent supporters of the third reich was substantially bigger than a small percentage. This was sickening.
He's an amazing speaker, very engaging and is clearly exceptionally intelligent, and skilled in multiple disciplines, but even though I have more than a passing grasp of the material regarding the Holocaust, which I have studied for 25 years or thereabouts, I barely understand what he's on about for the most part!
I feel the se exact way. Ive heard this guy speak before on the holocaust and seem to remember it being more comprehensible than this which I can’t make any sense of. I’m sorry but like you I believe I’ve studied and know enough about the holocaust as far as a deeper understanding of how it happened, why it happened and the way it manifested all over Europe, to not be lost when someone is speaking about it who is making sense. Which means I have to conclude that this guy isn’t.
@@Ghostshadows306 This was a lecture meant for an academic department at an Ivy league college. He goes on about Hegel as if everyone can get what he means. Unless you have studied Hegel I can't see how that doesn't throw you hopelessly off. It would be like somebody trying to explain astrophysics at language scholars convention. Everyone is intelligent enough, but they have different disciplines. It's a shame. What he said wasn't that complicated, but he was speaking in a language of people who study philosophers etc. for a living. I'm not that smart but I am I hobby philosophy student. It snot hard to understand, but you have to have the language. Trust me he is making alot of sense. To sum it up he is saying if you can control the narrative of history. (often by conveniently omitting facts) you can manipulate alot of people. Nations or States are just an idea. If you control the idea that defines the Nation or State, then you can control the narrative for what that state must do to survive. Also he talks about using existing societal structures, such as the police, or department of agriculture or anything to move your agenda. He says some things specific to the Holocaust. Such as the how easy it was to have the Jews killed once they became stateless. This is something we should really think strongly about. There is alot of racial resentment all over the world ,and in every country. But in general you don't ever consider the possibility of liquidating some group that you might just feel just a little annoyance at. But once you take away their citizenship and tell everyone they are the reason they are hungry. Then what happens next is no surprise. Hunger is a big thing we don't think about. It was a big deal before WWII.
I think he's too confusing, and not cos he's smarter then me. If he can't explain the point well to a reasonable person, he does not have the grasp of the subject. I also think he's simply wrong. State does not have to be destroyed to allow for holocaust. Russia killed more then Germany wo destroying its own state. Plenty other examples
Fantastic attempt to explain. TY Ethan! Option -- Just hand them the title of Timothy Snyder's recent, simplified breakdown of history of authoritarianism. "ON TYRANNY" @@ethanstein4821
Aimez-vous confusing incoherent hysteria? Listen to this guy. The amazing thing is, this is Timothy Snyder who wrote a fantastic book called "Blood Lands".
Well said!... I thought this was a lecture about the holocaust. Naaah its him dazzled by his own brilliance.. Its gross. Bloodlands was great as you say. This is sad tho.
And yet he was right all along to be worried.
The eternal introduction
Ok. But every sentence is importance to understanding the subject.
Дякую за лекцію!
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"Do you really think that Great Britain can pull out of the European Union and stil be Great Britain? ...I have my doubts." 49m33
Now you that you mention it...
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That rescuer sounds like Han Solo :)
"Adina" is a first name of Hebrew origin marked as "[inaudible]". Other words marked "[inaudible]" 36.00 on are "ex ante", "Maly Trostenets" and "Riga" but I don't recognize the ghetto name which followed. Subtitles are important for some users.
LOL you ever seen the subtitles for his mumbles?
Pretty dam funny malapropisms from the transcriber
maybe he's slipping into Chancery Slavonic
It's the Lodz (Łódź) ghetto
@@danielhackl1647 Thank you.
I found this fascinating, but what actually is the argument for the conclusion that the holocaust could not have happened with a strong state? I'm prepared to believe it, but what is the argument? Great lecture though.
What does he have to say about the current concentration camps in Asia?
Cit sa nedá prelomiť kúpiť ani sním obchodovať
it has already happened in smaller scale around the world
WHAT HAPPENED TO GIRL WHO LEFT SWAMP?
To many simplifications.
Cheers 🍻
Every single one of his seminars involves him holding his hands the same way.
How can one solve an equation if some of the factors are verboten?
Well that’s power and politics for ya-wtf
If this kind of occurrence does re-occur it will not be by a dormant resurgence of the initial perpetrators. But by the actions of the legacy of the initial victims.
If you look closely, you can see this in the World now. Over the past 5 years.
It's an awakening not of Evil past. But an awakening towards Evil now. And the past and now are not the same. An actual role reversal to be true.
We often remember that hurt people hurt people. But is hurting people hurting people? It's really all just perspective. This is what Pravda didn't understand as well as modern day western media does. You can create apathy towards Nazi actions, as long as it's not Nazis doing it.
None of that makes sense. Try again.
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You're absolutely right.
I talk out of my ass when I'm manipulating people.
Good job!
Ale čo malo nasledovať po prípade výhry práca zaistila meraním kto váži viac než 75 kg automaticky stráca právo ná život
Love to have this guy and Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell and Anne Applebaum on the same stage - and Peter Zeihan
There wouldn't be a dry seat in the house.
This might be interesting from a rhetorik point if view, but my feeling recently was that Mr Peterson does not know much about Europe. I wonder if this would really lead to some useful conclusions in this case or just a unbalanced debate "show".
Why is fascist genocide so much worse than communist genocide? We seem to always be trying to gleam lessons from Nazism and the Holocaust with consternation about today and the very current resurgence of populism and right wing politics. It beats the dead horse into more and more gory pulp. Aren't there important lessons to be learned or discovered from left wing genocide also?
Either or, both were actually Totalitarian in practice and style. Fascism is probably more focused on because it affected external states, whereas the Soviet purges were mainly internal.
Steve McWhirter Yes---but facts of Stalin and later USSR brutality was only uncovered when the USSR fell. In US, still guilt over not letting Jews in during WWII (omg that ship full of desperate people we SENT BACK TO DIE). But the great dying during the Soviet era is NOT a lesser tragedy in any way. You're right, and we all need to mourn them
He actually extensively covers left wing genocide in Europe in his book Bloodlands. He makes the case that fascism and communism are left and right extremes that end up meeting each other 'around the other side,' and so trying to split them in the context of crimes against humanity ends up creating a bit of a false dichotomy.
» Why is fascist genocide so much worse than communist genocide?
I guess that it's not about "better" or "worse", but there is a difference. While fascism is the archetype of "horizontal thinking" which Snyder talks about, communism is not. In its core, communism is the theory that progress (towards egalitarian society) is inevitable, comparable in this point to liberal democracy: "Alternativlosigkeit" or "vertical thinking". So, communism is a valid idea that may go terribly wrong if ursupated by the wrong people (like Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot), in the same sense that western liberal democracy may yield terrible results (think of the extinction of Native Americans, France's handling of its colonies in Africa and Indochina, death squadrons on account of US governments that have spread terror fighting a mostly imanginary communist threat, the amount of ruthless dictators that the western alliance has installed and/or supported -- Pinochet, Hussein, Marcos, just to name a few -- for the sake of its economical and geopolitical interests, or even Viet Nam and Iraq). And probably, that's where the important lessons you mentioned could be extracted.
On the other hand, fascism always leads to catastrophe. By definition, a thing like "socially productive fascism" cannot exist because fascism denies the possibility of social evolution altogether -- it's all a zero-sum game for them.
In conclusion, communism is much more akin to liberal democracy than we (western liberals in a very broad sense, from conservatives to social democrats) may think, because both believe that humans may (or even must) progress to a better, juster and more wealthy society. Fascism sees human society as an eternal struggle of selfish animals -- and (contrary to conservatism) sees that as a good thing.
Excuse me !! When is genocide OK ??? You have missed the whole speech ! Americans !!!
Nationalism, nativism, "patriotism," and religious nationalism led to fascism. Find those, and you've found fascism.
Pol pot, the Kim family, moa and the CCP, Stalin, and Hitler and the German national socialist workers party definitely fall into your paradigm. However, Most were highly anti-religious. I would suggest that it could be easily argued that the nationalism, nativism, patriotism that you mentioned were not for an existing concept of State or national identity but for a certain political persuasion in it being the central concept of the state and it's identity. I would suggest that the first letter of congratulation, as I understand it, to Mussolini was from Lenin upon his elevation to The Head of State in Italy. The one commonality between all of these states and zones in which their bloody reigns have taken place is a general acceptance or plurality of socialists and communists. I believe that the fate of kulaks, or Romani, or the Jews, or the Uyghurs, or this group or that is a function of socialism/communism/fascism/the political left, not the primary goal. I am not by any stretch of the imagination reducing the experiences of these otherized groups, I am instead, placing the ideology front and center as pure unadulterated evil alongside its actual crimes.
Can the shoar happen again
Yes it has in the Naqba the Holodymir and Pol Pot and currently in Ukraine
Jak je to možné že študenti nezaregistrovali a ne vedia popísať Koncentračný rozbor táborov od deliť propagandu od skutočnosti na všetké svetové strany a hnutia skupín pod skupín štátov jazikov a ktoré Nemecko s Hitlrom od delil
Snyder, name that beast: social Darwinism.
Stále tu není vyriešená odpoveď na otázku kto je vini General alebo Doktor mimo obete a Hitlera
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I find his reasoning over complicated, and his main point confusing, and simply does not hold up. Plenty of hollocosts thru history where state killed its own citizens. Russia is a good example of it, having killed more then germans without destroying any states.
He dramatizes a lot of things. Germany was fighting for land and resources, which is pretty typical. But it tried to implement the most extreme colonial practices in Europe, and they were not well received.
Jednu duchu tak aby mohli porozumieť všetci že to čo je výsledok kapitalizmus
Far out: "We're invading a place that doesn't exist". Russia 2022, eh? ICC arrest warrant so very correctly responsive to the historical moment.
Ja si vôbec nemýlim že Anglicko prešlo odmo oslobodiť práve naopak
More or less... Ukraine?
The game is over YOU CAN TAKE THE AFRICAN OFF AMERICAN and replace it with INDIGENOUS.
God gives the only warning 10:13 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED PRAISE THE LORD FOR HE IS GOOD HIS MERCY AND GRACE ENDURE TH FOREVER
Lot a good that did them.
I believe in God but I honestly cannot blame anyone that managed to survive these atrocities for struggling to keep faith in God afterwards.
This guy is all over the place... I hope the book is more impressive.
The Bloodlands is awesome. I think you’ll enjoy it while experiencing horror. We have to be aware - him and Anne Applebaum are great authors / historians
His lectures are a real ride, but really worth it.
books much better flow
What's this dumb thing this guy does with his hands?
I would assume using them to express himself in certain ways by extenuating what he’s saying. I do it all the time. But it loses its purpose and becomes an uncontrollable spasm of some kind when you’re talking in circles as this guy is. Joe Cocker style.
Mr Snyder is such a pedagogical and inspirational person and I’ve learned so much through his books, lectures and other appearances. I’m very grateful for everything I’ve and are learning from him.
#EternallyGrateful #History #contextMatters #BecomeABetterIndepentThinker
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I don't know why but I cannot stand the word pedagogy. It just sounds off. Lol
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Typical “Pin-head” intellectual who states his opinion as fact and creates his theories around his “feed-back loop”.
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