Good stuff man. These aftermarket battery packs never live up to their stated capacities. That's how they can lure people in for the price. They may even be rewrapped salvaged cells. One thing I noticed that the cheap battery pack does better than the ridgid is it had fish paper insulator rings on the positive terminal of the cells(some people call it barely paper). I use those rings when I build my own li ion packs. If you continue to do these battery pack break downs you should get a capacity tester to see what they are lying about. I bet the aftermarket cells don't put out the power the genuine cells do.
Great info man. I think my hobby charger has a feature like that built into it. It probably can't put a very stressful load on it but might could get a slow discharge capacity. Thanks for the suggestion!
The way I look at it you should buy battery packs and chargers that are genuine. People have had their entire property burn to the ground due to these these malfunctioning. You want to set yourself up for the best outcome in my book.
Good point; modern batteries are extremely power dense. A friend of mine's barn burned to the ground from a defective charger overcharging hobby batteries.
I would have to agree, but for time sake I have to limit my investigation to just taking it apart and observing.... Testing is how to know for sure but it takes time to do it right. Thanks for the comment
I would have loved to do that but my discharger is not meant for this level of amerage output so it would have been mostly useless results... might invests in a more serious discharger for the future.
This is an interesting, but disappointing, seat-of-the-pants comparison. I was expecting test data, at least for the charge capacity - physical testing of the assembly and parts would have been a great bonus - but there is nothing here that proves how the products compare. It's easy to say "this plastic isn't as strong" but it can be argued that it is strong enough for the average home user. Do a follow-up that tests the batteries for capacity and charging speed. Drop testing and similar testing would make a better evaluation.
It's a different Challenge now - both the Ridgid and e-bay have no life time Warranty. Since Ridgid No loner sells 12vdc tools w battery's (home Depot) so theirs is no Life time Warranty for just buying Ridgid Battery's (w no tool) and same w The E-bay Battery's, so is it worth the extra cost for the Ridgid? Will the ridge last longer And is it worth the extra cost? (going to buy the e-bay ones and see if they are worth it)
Thats a good point, now that the rules have changed, Ridgid is not as good of a value as it once was. I can say though, that i am really impressed with how long my Rigid 12v tools have lasted. 10 years, left out in the rain on occation, left in an open air garage in florda humidity and both drill and impact plus 1 battery still working. I haven owned any other brand thought to compare.
The batteries are supported by the LSA. So why not just get tge Ridgid? I have dozens of Ridgid batteries from the various sales and they are all registered. However, I have never had to actually use the LSA. I imagine Home Depot will have some hoops for me to jump through if I ever do.
@@bretunderhill I froze the video at 11:57 and could read the Rigid battery cell labels (apologies if I get a character wrong): INR18650-20R M SAMSUNG SDIEM 125 (These appear to be 2000mAh cells.) Couldn't see any labeling on the knockoff cells.
Good stuff man. These aftermarket battery packs never live up to their stated capacities. That's how they can lure people in for the price. They may even be rewrapped salvaged cells. One thing I noticed that the cheap battery pack does better than the ridgid is it had fish paper insulator rings on the positive terminal of the cells(some people call it barely paper). I use those rings when I build my own li ion packs. If you continue to do these battery pack break downs you should get a capacity tester to see what they are lying about. I bet the aftermarket cells don't put out the power the genuine cells do.
Great info man. I think my hobby charger has a feature like that built into it. It probably can't put a very stressful load on it but might could get a slow discharge capacity. Thanks for the suggestion!
The way I look at it you should buy battery packs and chargers that are genuine. People have had their entire property burn to the ground due to these these malfunctioning. You want to set yourself up for the best outcome in my book.
Good point; modern batteries are extremely power dense. A friend of mine's barn burned to the ground from a defective charger overcharging hobby batteries.
This is not a true comparison unless you test the actual cells I guarantee you the cells in the rigid are 100 times better than the cheap cells
I would have to agree, but for time sake I have to limit my investigation to just taking it apart and observing.... Testing is how to know for sure but it takes time to do it right. Thanks for the comment
Wait..!! So you didn't test the output..?? I was so looking forward to see if it was really 72wh
I would have loved to do that but my discharger is not meant for this level of amerage output so it would have been mostly useless results... might invests in a more serious discharger for the future.
How about disassemble a Ridgid 3Ah Octane battery for another video?
I got a couple of those laying around... Good Idea! Thanks.
This is an interesting, but disappointing, seat-of-the-pants comparison. I was expecting test data, at least for the charge capacity - physical testing of the assembly and parts would have been a great bonus - but there is nothing here that proves how the products compare. It's easy to say "this plastic isn't as strong" but it can be argued that it is strong enough for the average home user. Do a follow-up that tests the batteries for capacity and charging speed. Drop testing and similar testing would make a better evaluation.
Sadly this is a tear down design review channel as opposed to a test channel. for that type of content there are much better channels.
Very informative.
Great break down and commentary.
Thanks for the feedback! Glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks for taking the time. I was interested.
Thanks for the feedback!
Thank you for making this video! I was contemplating buying the knock off but that would ultimately be a waste of money
I bought the knockoffs but they go bad so much quicker it doesn't save you money
That part of the battery probably needs to be stronger because it has to bear all that movement and flex. Think of the m12 ratchets
That didn't occur to me but that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the insight!
It's a different Challenge now - both the Ridgid and e-bay have no life time Warranty.
Since Ridgid No loner sells 12vdc tools w battery's (home Depot) so theirs is no Life time Warranty for just buying Ridgid Battery's (w no tool) and same w The E-bay Battery's, so is it worth the extra cost for the Ridgid?
Will the ridge last longer And is it worth the extra cost? (going to buy the e-bay ones and see if they are worth it)
Thats a good point, now that the rules have changed, Ridgid is not as good of a value as it once was. I can say though, that i am really impressed with how long my Rigid 12v tools have lasted. 10 years, left out in the rain on occation, left in an open air garage in florda humidity and both drill and impact plus 1 battery still working. I haven owned any other brand thought to compare.
The batteries are supported by the LSA. So why not just get tge Ridgid? I have dozens of Ridgid batteries from the various sales and they are all registered. However, I have never had to actually use the LSA. I imagine Home Depot will have some hoops for me to jump through if I ever do.
I have a Ridgid one now that is telling me it's defective....😢😢🤬🤬
What cells are being used?
All I remember seeing was that they are Lithium Ion.
The cells will tell you the mah, 18650 2500 for instance. I don't trust WH
@@bretunderhill I froze the video at 11:57 and could read the Rigid battery cell labels (apologies if I get a character wrong):
INR18650-20R M
SAMSUNG SDIEM
125
(These appear to be 2000mAh cells.)
Couldn't see any labeling on the knockoff cells.
@@bretunderhill wh are just nominal cell voltage times mah.
72 wh would make the knock off a 6.0 and there's no way it is
Good point.
Not impossible but unlikely. 3000mah power cells(like sony vtc6 or samsung 30q cells) cost more for the cells than these cheap packs.
cool vid
Rule 1: Ridgid batteries are way too expensive and only last 3 months! Cheaper batteries have lasted 6 months! What is the problem: see rule 1!