I had a broken Sony 24 inch that cost 600 bucks to replace. The employer I worked for threw it out and I took it called Sony and it was purchased with an extended warranty. It cost me 50 bucks to ship it to them and they sent me back a brand new one. I was in heaven
It was a great feeling back in the day when you got a new monitor with higher resolution than your old one. I'd go straight to the resolution settings, crank it to the max, hit OK, and bask in the glory of my desktop icons being so tiny and crisp 🤓
Did that with a 19" Sony CRT. It allowed me quite high res at the expense of having a terrible refresh rate. I could barely look at the screen to go back to the previous settings 😂
Yeah it's been 8 years now since I made the jump from 1080p to 1440p. There's not the same kind of incremental upgrades like there used to be. As much as its great getting a lot more use without upgrades nowadays, there was a special feeling chasing the dragon that upgrades were back then.
i jumped from 2560x1080 to 3840x2160 but screensize also jumped from 34uw to 48" so relative sizes remained very similar :p but i use my screen even further back now so windows feels a little bit small at 100% scale.
You channel has been such an inspiration to me. About two years ago I started my own channel exclusive about the film Waterworld, and I am almost to 1000 subs, all thanks to you Clint!
Just recently bought a Blu-ray of it (my laserdisc copy and player are in another state) so my wife could finally watch it! She loved it! Congrats and good luck on the channel!
You'd be surprised how much of a re-emergence that game saw lately, Microsoft came out with HD, then Definitive Edition just two years ago, and the game got it's latest DLC perhaps a few weeks ago? Some tourney matches such as Red Bull Wololo or Empire Wars are followed by tens of thousands of wievers of Twitch. So yeah, it's wild.
Groooovy! Nothing better than chit chatting with a buddy about computers and then they ask "Hey you ever heard of a show on TH-cam called LGR??"! "DID WE JUST BECOME BEST FRIENDS?" "YEP!"
4:42 - I had one of those NEC monitors after my CTX died. I, too, loved the organic flow of the case towards the back. The CTX it replaced was positively boxy. It seems like other manufacturers followed suit as the electronics around the tube got smaller and smaller.
Fancy bumping into you right here! I had just watched your latest Pi video about the blades...good stuff! Anyway, I looked down and your comment was right here just a few minutes ago...the universe...it's tiny. lol
I've still got my CTX colour monitor going strong, was in my nans house and previously used in Dearne Electrical Limited in Doncaster, still has the stickers in tact to show its history. The colour and Brightness is fantastic, no vignette or burn in, surprised for the amount of usage it got from my Uncle up until a few years ago. You just can't beat a CRT!
Yea it's confusing. Looked pictures on an iPad... Though man they look good. But when I looked again on my pc in comparison with my camera it was false assumption. My camera pictures also looked better on the retina display. Was like 4 years ago.
@@saltmiester720 i don't know I've been playing Destiny 2 at 1440x900 and other's at 1280x960 it doesn't seem bad. Will it have a softer look? Yes. But not any different from consoles having taa.
@James F. Absolutely, I've had games like Serious Sam where the frame timing doesn't fluctuate. And when you're moving around it's absolutely trippy to see how smooth the image is.
i how you still have that Trinitron cuz they are still good by modern monitor standards (well probably not so much anymore but they where tuperior to all oem flatscreens for over a decade)
@@firenado4295 It was a nice model, DELL branded from Sonys final CRT line. My trini met its fate while moving in my 20's. Drunk ass friend dropped it on me. It still worked but the color was off, and yes I do know thats an easy repair. Though at the time I didnt and left it behind : ( All of my CRT's are gone now, in all honesty I never liked CRTs even as a kid. Id like to obtain an nice beige LCD for my vintage rigs and ill be content with that.
@@AllboroLCD ah thats pretty sad but fair enough, i only have a couple of CRTs cuz we stoped using them as they just went off one day and never switched back on however it was just a blown fuze. i replaced it and boom they are like new again, and one of them is really nice the colours are super deep and vibrant and the blacks are so dark. wich is way better than my main lcd screen that has very Muted colours and alot of backlight blead through. its a samsung syncmaster753dfx i think
Clint, I love how you smell everything as you're unboxing. I got myself a nice new old stock 19'' CTX CRT last year and I did exactly the same thing. Savoured every smell lol. It's a nerd thing 😎😂
the good thing with old CRT monitors is that all resolution can be native resolution. it's only up to your preferred refresh rate would be the next preference.
Ah yes - back when hardware was loud enough to provide a kind of “white noise.” At 35, I’m old enough to remember using these in grade school - also my grandpa had an old pc with a massive crt on which we would play Jack Nicklaus’ Greatest 18 or something like that. It used several 5.25” floppy disks.
Im 31, same! my first pc we had in 97 had 64 mb ram and 7 gb HD, LOL when i played it smelled of melted plastic, i recall as a kid putting in a seconary board to upgrade the ram to 128...the smell of childhood and teenage gaming, today PCs dont smell anymore! I still play all the late 90s early 00s games, i just love them
Watching LGR i have a feeling of Time machine is exist. Enjoy unboxing decades-old devices in brand news box when having coffee in pandemic is a experiment never forget.
Ditto with me. It was a Voodoo2 with Quake2. That dynamic lighting was the 1st thing that caught my eye. Coming from 'software mode' rendering, I was all giggly and sweating with a permanent grin afixed.
THAT brings back memories, back in 1999 i bought a "Medion" monitor at the "Aldi" discounter in Germany and it looked very similar to your NEC, even the on screen menu was familiar. I used it until 2009 when my wife decided to surprise me with a bigger (20" instead of 17") flatscreen from LG. And surprisingly it is 2021 and my LG Flatron is still alive and kicking, not a single failure.
Loved this video! I've always had huge nostalgia for NEC monitors from this time period. I still have my NEC LCD1765 from when I worked at a computer shop and was blessed with wholesale pricing. The picture still holds up to this day for retro applications.
Those NEC monitors back in the day were the gold standard. I had 13" multisync I pulled out of a dumpster with a broken VGA pin. Fixed it and used it for years!
Is the vga chord the gray one with a bunch of smaller wires inside of it? I grabbed a monitor off the curb but a scrapper cut the cord off so I have to find a replacement but don't know what it's called. It's a 1994 NEC monitor
I remember having a view sonic 120hz crt monitor back in the early early 2000s. Well let me rephrase…My parents had. But I used it constantly for gaming when homework was finished. I specifically remember setting it to 120 Hz but not knowing anything about it just for the simple fact that it was a higher number and in my mind as a wee lad, i figured it would be best. Now grown up, knowing full well what i high refresh rates are…i was doing the right thing from the get go! Thanks LGR for the nostalgic and interesting content! Cheers
Setting it to 120 hz even if you don't have 120 fps was a still a massive advantage. Pro players from back in the day didn't exclusively use 120hz in cs 1.6 with 100 fps for no reason. The reason why people think it's bad to do this is because you can get screen tearing. I never experienced screen tearing by using a higher refresh rate compared to my fps and it wasn't competitive to not run 120hz even back in the early 2000s. This is even demonstrated on linustechtips by testing reflexes on different refresh rates with the same fps. So ye LGR is wrong here.
@@goeland4585 Well that's not correct. Half life is in his list etc. And what I'm saying is that you should still set your refresh rate as high as you can. If the screen tearing is bad, you can turn it down, but you don't ever want to set it to 60 or 75. That's awful regardless of the fps you get from your game. Half life has a hard cap of 100 and you still want to set freq 120. Maybe it's correct for some games to not do that, I have no idea. All I know for a fact as that it's not correct for half life or red alert.
This brings back memories. Back in those days, or even earlier, computer fairs were still a thing. An uncle of mine had a stand with 2nd hand parts and I was allowed to sell my own stuff there. After a day of selling my stuff, I had enough money to buy a new 17” at the fair. I was the boss. This particular monitor would do great for a diy arcade machine.
unless you hear the high pitched sound of the flyback then it becomes a terrible experience i am sensitive to that frequency and i can tell you i am glad that crts arent mainstream anymore
I saw Red Alert and I’ve never clicked so fast in my life. I spent soooooo many hours on this game. Great memories. I still have the whole C&C series on my current gaming PC and play it every so often.
I was watching this exact listing lmao. Super nice monitor, NEC is one of the best desktop CRT manufacturers imo, was really cool to see this unboxing!
I had an /NEC 21" and a Nokia 19" back in the day, they both were amazing in terms of sharpness and color for the day. What a treat to see this old beauty again!
nokia the same guys that made the indestructable cellphones back then? I wonder if the tube and electronics were made by someone elce like philips, NEC or sony and they just put there name on it. I know that was practiced a lot and still is today, sometimes for the better, more often than not for the worst today. I had a consertmate keyboard that was actually just a rebranded casio. Today you can find a magnavox, philips, RCA or fisher consumer electronic and most likely its a crap chinese inferior rebadged product out of the funai plant in china.
@@coolelectronics1759 It's possible it was an OEM, most displays are OEM/ODM as CRT's, tubes, or even today's panel's are only really manufactured by a small handful, literally like one for each finger. If I had to guess I'd say the tube was most similar to a Diamondtron Mitsubishi, but could very well have been siemens or NEC, back then there were more CRT/Tube manufacturers than today, there was probably 50 quality CRT manufacturers, maybe more. These days there are probably less than 10, I could be wrong. Anyway back to what you were saying, it's possible, that Nokia OEM'd the display, but it was a very unique chassis as well as tube, so I'm not sure, like I said, Mitsubishi would be the closest. Nokia is a huge company, besides cell phones they make lots of things, like enterprise and carrier equipment for telco including switching and firewalls, I used to service their firewalls a lot for some big customers running SSL VPN's way back in the day for hundreds of users, a big task back then. Typical prices were anywhere from $10K up to hundreds of thousands for a single unit (although a single unit could comprise almost an entire telco rack!) Nokia was a telecom equipment powerhouse... but not all good things last forever!
C&C Red Alert over Null Modem was so much fun. My brother and I used to live across the street from our grandparents house and both houses had a Windows 95 computer with a modem on each. We’d play VS by dialing in directly to the other computer. So much fun.
@@Toonrick12 yeah, so null modem was an RS-232 standard, originally you could connect two computers directly with a serial cable to communicate, but there was also a standard you could do over two directly connected modems one calling the other directly that would use the RS-232 standard. So, no lan parties or anything, it would allow one computer to play against another. at the time it was SO COOL
Nice pick up! Haven’t finished the entire video yet but I recently picked up a well cared for, low hours 19” NEC of similar vintage that looks just amazing with everything I’ve hooked up to it. Compared very favorably beside my 17” Sony (sadly, there was also recently a minty barely used FW900 available locally that I missed out on by a couple of days.)
I got one coming in the mail, should be here tomorrow evening!! this video is pretty useful so that I can see what it’s gonna be like to use, glad that your around Clint!😊
These high refresh rate CRT monitors were great for stereoscopic 3d with active shutterglasses. I still have a Geforce 2 GTS with shutter glasses to play Half-Life 1 in stereoscopic 3d, with EAX surround sound through a Soundblaster Live 5.1. Good times.
Wow! I recovered this very same monitor from an automotive test lab console we're rebuilding at work. It's black in color and shows some wear, but the screen still works great! Nice to see how a fresh one looks and behaves!
NEC has the best OSM imo. Never have I seen better ones also seen in his vids when he uses these LCD NEC monitors. It is the same one used in the high end CRTs.
I felt that way about my viewsonic and quite enjoyed the quality of high end view sonic, i guess the lower end people cried about. Then I got a sony trinitron 24" and reached the pinnacle of the last of CRT's with a nice trinitron.
NEC were around for a long time. In 1989 our MCAD engineer got a 20" NEC which cost a small fortune at the time (over £1000 or a month of my wages). A man from the supplier came to set it up and found that it wasn't compatible with the video card so that had to be upgraded as well. It was a week, several visits from the supplier, and a couple of £Thousands before it was all working to the engineers liking. I'm guessing this was all on an HP Vectra 286 PC which was our standard PC at work back then.
Oh man, this takes me back. In my previous life as a retail slave, my chain went from a DOS based POS to Win2k, and every computer that was not front of house had one of these attached to it. I spent so many hundreds of hours looking at it that the trio of panel buttons looked instantly familiar. Thanks for the blast from the past!
That's so awesome Clint, I'm very close in age to you and my brother and I grew up smelling EVERYTHING new as well.. From CD booklets, magazines, school stationary and of course ELECTRONICS, especially electronics. I used to love the smell of brand new NES catridges in the 80s'. Your channel brings such nostalgia sometimes my eyes start to water. thank you.
My old boss gave me a LG CRT from around 2003 It's 22' I think and supports up to a resolution of 2304x1440 it's really sharp, the colour range is just really wide and vibrant and it has 80hz refresh rate It was made for design proposes and costed 1000€ + at the time so yeah it was a great gift
I have in storage a brand-new, still unopened 21-inch CRT monitor made by Sun MicroSystems that I bought back in like 2013 for a few hundred bucks - hoarding that one until my current 22-inch Phillips CRT dies.
Hi, Clint. Iirc you said a while back you don't use Facebook, but I have a group called CRT PC Monitor Club. Feel free to join, anyone, but make sure to answer the entry question properly. This one could probably do 160hz at 1080*810i using custom resolutions. Interlaced looks completely okay at pc resolutions and high refresh rates. Don't confuse it with 480i or 576i. 160hz interlaced on a pc monitor doesn't flicker at all the way 50hz or 60hz (25hz or 30hz field rate) on a tv flickers. I used to play cs go in 1600*1200i at 200hz on an Iiyama monitor. It looked pretty much perfect and still better than any LCD I've ever seen, even brand new ones. That monitor is actually able to do 480i at 425hz, I'm not kidding, I've tried it. It's obviously pointless for games but interesting in any case. It has a Nec/mitsubishi Diamondtron tube. Mine is the older M2 type, which is flat face but cylindrical on the inside and constant pitch. The later revisions had a U2 tube, which is flat on both the inside and outside and has variable pitch. The later ones had much less haloing around the sides of bright objects. I could ramble on forever about CRTs 😂
I have two 21" Eizo monitors on my desktop pc, but I haven't used it/them for months due to life. One of those is actually able to do 4k/2160p. Yes. I'm not lying. It looks sharp and fine. Checkerboard test pattern looks gray, but black and white lines test patterns show the separate scanlines. Horizontally however, the monitor is not able to resolve the full color but it draws on subpixels, just like modern pentile matrix screens. Any 1px wide line is still shown, and text is readable, but you have to sit real close. For gaming though, it looks awesome. Completely breathtaking, in fact. I used to play Minecraft in 4k on this monitor for a while. It was insanely sharp both in motion and statically, due to crts having no motion blur.
I remember the odd resolution 1152 x 864 very specifically, because that was the maximum resolution my old Sony monitor was able to run at 100 Hz. Any lower refresh rate made me notice the CRT flicker, and tired my eyes out, which they apparently are sensitive to. That was also the unfortunate reason I never could like Plasma TVs although they were superior to LCDs in many ways. I immediately noticed the Plasma flicker, and could never look at them for prolonged periods. Good old days.
@@cjshields2007 I had the exact same experience, everyone I knew was ok with 60Hz, which was confusing. It seems we're the minority who has overly sensitive eyes or something. 85Hz was where I could tell there was flickering, but I'd not get eye strain because of it unless I spent the whole day staring at the monitor. 100 was the sweet spot, and I could not tell the difference between 100 and 120.
I remember having an CTX 17" Flat Panel CRT 1280*1024@100 Hz (max res. was 1600*1200@72Hz) monitor. It was a quite rare model in my area. With my main PC (AMD Athlon XP 3000+/ 1 GB DDR 400/GF FX 5600 256 MB VGA ant 120 GB HDD) it was a quite good pair. Eh, good old times.....
Keep an eye on the Season 8 update for MCC for when it releases, as they are going to fix (i tried it during beta testing) the colors of CE to have restored contrasts and darkness to match OG Xbox gamma and brightness, it looks a bit too dark and washed out on my IPS panel because of IPS glow but this will look FANTASTIC on a CRT.
That's very cool that you go to vintage computer festivals... Its important people remember what computers were like 20 years ago, for those who are late teenagers now they grew up with iphones. Its amazing how far things have come along over the last 20 years, just think iphones are now coming up on 15 years now, kids have no idea what it was like back then so that's pretty awesome. Its our youth that remembers these time so thank you for bringing back all these memories...
Everyone needs a few good CRTs if they want the real experience! It will probably cost you more to eventually dispose of this monitor than it just cost you 🤔
Holy cow! NEC. I had a slightly different model, but looks almost the same. What great tech! It was by far the most expensive single component of my first pro-level computer setup, (I launched an indie comics publishing company in the late 90's). "Booowwg!" boot-up sound. (Mine was much louder than yours.)
Man, I remember these old chonkers. Had to have a pretty big desk to set it on…I have memories of fiddling with the settings every time it started going funny, trying to make the picture look….bearable, tbh.
I picked up several monitors like this back when they were dirt cheap at thrift stores for about $5 each. While others liked their then hi-res modes, I always preferred the high refresh rate at low resolutions instead. Anything at 85 Hz or higher is perfect for me.
@@apoenaferraz3512 ive spend dozens of hours in 90th with ТЕМП Ц280Д and my ZX-Spectrum - just google that 'monitor' 😂 PS: still have 100% of visual acuity (i'm 40 yo))) ) PPS: and first real monitor was Samsung 3NE 14"
Wish I could get these oop norf over here in England. Unfortunately, we were QUITE eager to get them all tossed into the tip it seems. [Edit] Well I got one, UT at 640x480@100 is fun. [Edit 2] Got another one, UT at 640x480@160 is even more fun!
I never realized how much I missed the sound of a CRT degaussing system when you turned it on.
Buaaanng
DOING
Tunk
Dzoooooom
Steve!
I had a broken Sony 24 inch that cost 600 bucks to replace. The employer I worked for threw it out and I took it called Sony and it was purchased with an extended warranty. It cost me 50 bucks to ship it to them and they sent me back a brand new one. I was in heaven
Bargains
wait how long ago was this
@@supernoob17 1974
@@rubusroo68 😆
@@GreatLordEli yeah if he said it happened last week i'd start dumpster diving immediately
It was a great feeling back in the day when you got a new monitor with higher resolution than your old one. I'd go straight to the resolution settings, crank it to the max, hit OK, and bask in the glory of my desktop icons being so tiny and crisp 🤓
I'm still doing this, what are you talking about. Just got an ultra wide display, it's amazing. :)
Did that with a 19" Sony CRT. It allowed me quite high res at the expense of having a terrible refresh rate. I could barely look at the screen to go back to the previous settings 😂
@@goeland4585 I doubt it dpi settings now a days make things different.
Yeah it's been 8 years now since I made the jump from 1080p to 1440p. There's not the same kind of incremental upgrades like there used to be. As much as its great getting a lot more use without upgrades nowadays, there was a special feeling chasing the dragon that upgrades were back then.
i jumped from 2560x1080 to 3840x2160 but screensize also jumped from 34uw to 48" so relative sizes remained very similar :p
but i use my screen even further back now so windows feels a little bit small at 100% scale.
You channel has been such an inspiration to me. About two years ago I started my own channel exclusive about the film Waterworld, and I am almost to 1000 subs, all thanks to you Clint!
Waterworld is such an amazing movie!
you gotta give some credit to yourself! you made the videos on your channel which made those almost 1000 people subscribe
Just recently bought a Blu-ray of it (my laserdisc copy and player are in another state) so my wife could finally watch it! She loved it!
Congrats and good luck on the channel!
@@trevorml1362 😂 There is actually a crashed nuclear submarine in the underwater scene!
I saw that Age of Empires II icon and my brain went back 20 years. Holy crap nostalgia is powerful.
bruh AOE I, II and II have been being re-released non-stop for years now.
@@gstrdms Aoe1 was only rereleased once in over 20 years not, not constantly as you claim.
Command and Conquer in the thumbnail did it to me, even though I still occasionally play it!
You'd be surprised how much of a re-emergence that game saw lately, Microsoft came out with HD, then Definitive Edition just two years ago, and the game got it's latest DLC perhaps a few weeks ago? Some tourney matches such as Red Bull Wololo or Empire Wars are followed by tens of thousands of wievers of Twitch. So yeah, it's wild.
@@VraerynDaDragon I remember booting up the campaign for the first time and then playing it all at once
In 2002, my Sony CRT did 2048x1536 @ 80 hz, and 800x600 at 200 hz. LCDs only caught back up to that in the past few years.
..and still you moved on... ;-P
I didnt
Funny how we've come full circle with refresh rates, 120hz is desirable in a monitor now but pre 2000 it was fairly standard
Because it is difficult to achieve 120hz in LCD Monitors.
We traded Hertz and color vibrance for form factor and power consumption basically.
They even threw in the ghosting for free.
And it doesn't support gsync and freesync on that monitor
@@LeafTheWitch get a 90hz best of both worlds
Only at the supported resolutions, many crts recommended 75-85hz.
Oh man, C&C Red Alert.... so many memories. Such a good game. Looks great on that monitor too.
Play it today, it still so active
@@The99joce99 Active? Like multiplayer?
@@RobertKliethermes Oh yes. There's the Remaster, too (which is excellent), but the classic community on CnCNet is still going strong, as well.
The Remaster goes on sale on Steam pretty frequently & you can literally just turn on & off the old graphics. It's pretty sweet.
@@hazonku yeah it's awesome. I can't wait for Red Alert 2 remastered
Groooovy! Nothing better than chit chatting with a buddy about computers and then they ask "Hey you ever heard of a show on TH-cam called LGR??"! "DID WE JUST BECOME BEST FRIENDS?" "YEP!"
Those desktop shortcuts! Damn that is a fine selection of games
CRT @100+ Hz was great. On LCD the higher Hz is good also, but even best LCDs have bad ghosting...
True
time to jump to Oled
@@DeceniumOLED is still not up to crt levels yet.
Man, my cousin had one of these, so many memories of playing Theme Hospital and StarCraft on this monitor
Many hours wasted playing c&c, theme hospital, and StarCraft ok same monitor for me as well.
theme hospital oh man you brought back a memory there
@@skittishgaming4279 Yes as an exhibitor or anything
I love your channel, the nostalgia for retro tech that I get from your videos is just great. So, I just want to say thank you
New old stock CRT....such words....they are glorious.
4:42 - I had one of those NEC monitors after my CTX died. I, too, loved the organic flow of the case towards the back. The CTX it replaced was positively boxy.
It seems like other manufacturers followed suit as the electronics around the tube got smaller and smaller.
Fancy bumping into you right here! I had just watched your latest Pi video about the blades...good stuff! Anyway, I looked down and your comment was right here just a few minutes ago...the universe...it's tiny. lol
Holy Red Shirts!! A wild Jeff appears. 👋
I've still got my CTX colour monitor going strong, was in my nans house and previously used in Dearne Electrical Limited in Doncaster, still has the stickers in tact to show its history. The colour and Brightness is fantastic, no vignette or burn in, surprised for the amount of usage it got from my Uncle up until a few years ago. You just can't beat a CRT!
Reminds me of the design language change of vehicles at the time as well. I personally prefer the meaner, boxier look myself.
Small world, nice to see Jeff posting a comment in a LGR video.
The best thing about these old screens was that I could not see how low res and pixelated my digital pictures were. Back in the late 90ies.
@EDM & CGA DVDs were great on these screens.
Yea older games look better on them but when you use a newer game on them there gonna look blurry and bad
Yea it's confusing. Looked pictures on an iPad... Though man they look good. But when I looked again on my pc in comparison with my camera it was false assumption. My camera pictures also looked better on the retina display. Was like 4 years ago.
@@saltmiester720 i don't know I've been playing Destiny 2 at 1440x900 and other's at 1280x960 it doesn't seem bad. Will it have a softer look? Yes. But not any different from consoles having taa.
@James F. Absolutely, I've had games like Serious Sam where the frame timing doesn't fluctuate. And when you're moving around it's absolutely trippy to see how smooth the image is.
I got this model CRT for christmas in 2001! Had it for about 2 years until I got a 21" Sony trinitron , that was my final CRT monitor I owned...
Trinitron is best!!!
i how you still have that Trinitron cuz they are still good by modern monitor standards (well probably not so much anymore but they where tuperior to all oem flatscreens for over a decade)
@@firenado4295 It was a nice model, DELL branded from Sonys final CRT line. My trini met its fate while moving in my 20's. Drunk ass friend dropped it on me. It still worked but the color was off, and yes I do know thats an easy repair. Though at the time I didnt and left it behind : ( All of my CRT's are gone now, in all honesty I never liked CRTs even as a kid. Id like to obtain an nice beige LCD for my vintage rigs and ill be content with that.
@@AllboroLCD ah thats pretty sad but fair enough, i only have a couple of CRTs cuz we stoped using them as they just went off one day and never switched back on however it was just a blown fuze. i replaced it and boom they are like new again, and one of them is really nice the colours are super deep and vibrant and the blacks are so dark. wich is way better than my main lcd screen that has very Muted colours and alot of backlight blead through. its a samsung syncmaster753dfx i think
Clint, I love how you smell everything as you're unboxing. I got myself a nice new old stock 19'' CTX CRT last year and I did exactly the same thing. Savoured every smell lol. It's a nerd thing 😎😂
My wife says I’m crazy because I sniff new electronics (and books.) I’m glad I’m not alone.
It's fetishist pervert thing.
@@sassymenses no its not. Its not sexual.
@@kattihatt sometimes I think it is...
@@sassymenses you're creepy
Thank you for demoing Red Alert. Seems like that game isn't shown off by a lot of retro PC people.
RA defined my Saturday mornings as a kid.
I absolutely loved C&C and Red Alert as a kid but whenever I revisit them I am bored.
There is an open source modern version, openRA
I actually beat the Allied campaign eating a big plate of spaghetti, and cheering with my fork when I get to the cut scene. Lol
@@plumcakey there's also an official remaster
Waiting red alert 2 remastered
the good thing with old CRT monitors is that all resolution can be native resolution. it's only up to your preferred refresh rate would be the next preference.
Clint: such smooth scrolling.
Me (on a 60Hz PLS display): 👀
I keep expecting to see Clint sniffing PCs in an episode of My Strange Addiction.
One of the only times I have literally laughed out loud at a comment! 😆
Ah yes - back when hardware was loud enough to provide a kind of “white noise.”
At 35, I’m old enough to remember using these in grade school - also my grandpa had an old pc with a massive crt on which we would play Jack Nicklaus’ Greatest 18 or something like that. It used several 5.25” floppy disks.
I’m 27, I used one of these until highschool in 2009 as well lol
Im 31, same! my first pc we had in 97 had 64 mb ram and 7 gb HD, LOL when i played it smelled of melted plastic, i recall as a kid putting in a seconary board to upgrade the ram to 128...the smell of childhood and teenage gaming, today PCs dont smell anymore! I still play all the late 90s early 00s games, i just love them
Watching LGR i have a feeling of Time machine is exist. Enjoy unboxing decades-old devices in brand news box when having coffee in pandemic is a experiment never forget.
8:10 nice voodoo 3, brings back memories, I will NEVER forget loading up quake 3 first time with Voodoo 3 and my jaw hitting the floor
Ditto with me. It was a Voodoo2 with Quake2. That dynamic lighting was the 1st thing that caught my eye. Coming from 'software mode' rendering, I was all giggly and sweating with a permanent grin afixed.
You're both wrong! IT'S UNREAL and Voodoo²(12MB) SLI in 1024x768 = when jaw hits stuff ;-P
ALL in 1998 of course!
@@dallesamllhals9161 Well, I'm still recovering to this day from my experience. I had only 1 8MB V2 and it messed me up.
@@BlackWolf42- It's okay! Graphics are pretty 'okay' nowadays too ;-)
@@BlackWolf42- try rtx next makes your jaw hit the floor aswell
THAT brings back memories, back in 1999 i bought a "Medion" monitor at the "Aldi" discounter in Germany and it looked very similar to your NEC, even the on screen menu was familiar. I used it until 2009 when my wife decided to surprise me with a bigger (20" instead of 17") flatscreen from LG. And surprisingly it is 2021 and my LG Flatron is still alive and kicking, not a single failure.
The the good ole' olden days of CRT monitors. The Energy Star logo does it for me every time.
Loved this video! I've always had huge nostalgia for NEC monitors from this time period. I still have my NEC LCD1765 from when I worked at a computer shop and was blessed with wholesale pricing. The picture still holds up to this day for retro applications.
Those NEC monitors back in the day were the gold standard. I had 13" multisync I pulled out of a dumpster with a broken VGA pin. Fixed it and used it for years!
Is the vga chord the gray one with a bunch of smaller wires inside of it? I grabbed a monitor off the curb but a scrapper cut the cord off so I have to find a replacement but don't know what it's called. It's a 1994 NEC monitor
I bought a 19” or 21” flat crt 100Hz monitor in 2000/2001. It was actually quite the dfference compared to 60Hz.
I remember having a view sonic 120hz crt monitor back in the early early 2000s. Well let me rephrase…My parents had. But I used it constantly for gaming when homework was finished. I specifically remember setting it to 120 Hz but not knowing anything about it just for the simple fact that it was a higher number and in my mind as a wee lad, i figured it would be best. Now grown up, knowing full well what i high refresh rates are…i was doing the right thing from the get go! Thanks LGR for the nostalgic and interesting content! Cheers
High good, low bad. Return to monkee
Setting it to 120 hz even if you don't have 120 fps was a still a massive advantage. Pro players from back in the day didn't exclusively use 120hz in cs 1.6 with 100 fps for no reason. The reason why people think it's bad to do this is because you can get screen tearing. I never experienced screen tearing by using a higher refresh rate compared to my fps and it wasn't competitive to not run 120hz even back in the early 2000s. This is even demonstrated on linustechtips by testing reflexes on different refresh rates with the same fps. So ye LGR is wrong here.
@@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068 he was talking about older game that have a fixed or maxed fps locked at 60 or 75
@@goeland4585 Well that's not correct. Half life is in his list etc. And what I'm saying is that you should still set your refresh rate as high as you can. If the screen tearing is bad, you can turn it down, but you don't ever want to set it to 60 or 75. That's awful regardless of the fps you get from your game. Half life has a hard cap of 100 and you still want to set freq 120. Maybe it's correct for some games to not do that, I have no idea. All I know for a fact as that it's not correct for half life or red alert.
The two things I miss from old monitors are...
- The degauss button for the noise
- Auto calibration to make things magically look better
This brings back memories. Back in those days, or even earlier, computer fairs were still a thing. An uncle of mine had a stand with 2nd hand parts and I was allowed to sell my own stuff there. After a day of selling my stuff, I had enough money to buy a new 17” at the fair. I was the boss.
This particular monitor would do great for a diy arcade machine.
Man the CRT monitors are cool with a XP gaming setup!
It warms my heart to see a crispy new CRT being turned on for the first time. NOTHING beats CRT!
unless you hear the high pitched sound of the flyback then it becomes a terrible experience i am sensitive to that frequency and i can tell you i am glad that crts arent mainstream anymore
Lol. Poor Simon.
@@SimonBauer7 Not on Monitors
6:11 - "Make sure you're sitting in front of it, and not behind it". Great tip!
Wow, that brings back good memories. That's pretty much was my Window's screen looked like in the early 2000's.
I saw Red Alert and I’ve never clicked so fast in my life. I spent soooooo many hours on this game. Great memories. I still have the whole C&C series on my current gaming PC and play it every so often.
I was watching this exact listing lmao. Super nice monitor, NEC is one of the best desktop CRT manufacturers imo, was really cool to see this unboxing!
Only second to Sony
Such a joy. I remember having a 75hz and it was awesome. So smooth. Can’t imagine 120hz smoothness. Great video!
I remember using Reforce Refresh back in 1999 for CS 1.3 / 1.4.... Nostalgic...
Thanks for signing my shirt at the Vintage Computer Festival Midwest
You bet!
I had an /NEC 21" and a Nokia 19" back in the day, they both were amazing in terms of sharpness and color for the day. What a treat to see this old beauty again!
nokia the same guys that made the indestructable cellphones back then?
I wonder if the tube and electronics were made by someone elce like philips, NEC or sony and they just put there name on it.
I know that was practiced a lot and still is today, sometimes for the better, more often than not for the worst today.
I had a consertmate keyboard that was actually just a rebranded casio.
Today you can find a magnavox, philips, RCA or fisher consumer electronic and most likely its a crap chinese inferior rebadged product out of the funai plant in china.
@@coolelectronics1759 It's possible it was an OEM, most displays are OEM/ODM as CRT's, tubes, or even today's panel's are only really manufactured by a small handful, literally like one for each finger. If I had to guess I'd say the tube was most similar to a Diamondtron Mitsubishi, but could very well have been siemens or NEC, back then there were more CRT/Tube manufacturers than today, there was probably 50 quality CRT manufacturers, maybe more. These days there are probably less than 10, I could be wrong. Anyway back to what you were saying, it's possible, that Nokia OEM'd the display, but it was a very unique chassis as well as tube, so I'm not sure, like I said, Mitsubishi would be the closest. Nokia is a huge company, besides cell phones they make lots of things, like enterprise and carrier equipment for telco including switching and firewalls, I used to service their firewalls a lot for some big customers running SSL VPN's way back in the day for hundreds of users, a big task back then. Typical prices were anywhere from $10K up to hundreds of thousands for a single unit (although a single unit could comprise almost an entire telco rack!) Nokia was a telecom equipment powerhouse... but not all good things last forever!
C&C Red Alert over Null Modem was so much fun. My brother and I used to live across the street from our grandparents house and both houses had a Windows 95 computer with a modem on each. We’d play VS by dialing in directly to the other computer. So much fun.
@@Toonrick12 yeah, so null modem was an RS-232 standard, originally you could connect two computers directly with a serial cable to communicate, but there was also a standard you could do over two directly connected modems one calling the other directly that would use the RS-232 standard. So, no lan parties or anything, it would allow one computer to play against another. at the time it was SO COOL
@@Toonrick12 yea, null modem is basically just direct cable between 2 machines.
NEC made some amazing CRTs, especially in their professional brand
Nice crisp display on these NECs, have many NEC brands myself. But need a CRT. 😊
Nice pick up! Haven’t finished the entire video yet but I recently picked up a well cared for, low hours 19” NEC of similar vintage that looks just amazing with everything I’ve hooked up to it. Compared very favorably beside my 17” Sony (sadly, there was also recently a minty barely used FW900 available locally that I missed out on by a couple of days.)
I got one coming in the mail, should be here tomorrow evening!!
this video is pretty useful so that I can see what it’s gonna be like to use, glad that your around Clint!😊
These high refresh rate CRT monitors were great for stereoscopic 3d with active shutterglasses. I still have a Geforce 2 GTS with shutter glasses to play Half-Life 1 in stereoscopic 3d, with EAX surround sound through a Soundblaster Live 5.1. Good times.
Oh my god that is beautiful. How lucky you guys surrounded by great gadgets in a great nation
Ah my NEC monitor went on to have a green tint, and funnily I always fixed it by hitting on it like old TVs, and it worked
My final CRT monitor was an NEC 22" Multisync. It was huge and got warm enough that my cat liked to sit on top of it. It was a beautiful screen.
I love this channel, just makes me so happy
Wow! I recovered this very same monitor from an automotive test lab console we're rebuilding at work. It's black in color and shows some wear, but the screen still works great! Nice to see how a fresh one looks and behaves!
Something about NEC feels so premium regardless of what it's stamped on.
One of the coolest logos
NEC has the best OSM imo. Never have I seen better ones also seen in his vids when he uses these LCD NEC monitors. It is the same one used in the high end CRTs.
I felt that way about my viewsonic and quite enjoyed the quality of high end view sonic, i guess the lower end people cried about. Then I got a sony trinitron 24" and reached the pinnacle of the last of CRT's with a nice trinitron.
NEC were around for a long time. In 1989 our MCAD engineer got a 20" NEC which cost a small fortune at the time (over £1000 or a month of my wages). A man from the supplier came to set it up and found that it wasn't compatible with the video card so that had to be upgraded as well. It was a week, several visits from the supplier, and a couple of £Thousands before it was all working to the engineers liking. I'm guessing this was all on an HP Vectra 286 PC which was our standard PC at work back then.
NEC made good equipment.
Oh man, this takes me back. In my previous life as a retail slave, my chain went from a DOS based POS to Win2k, and every computer that was not front of house had one of these attached to it. I spent so many hundreds of hours looking at it that the trio of panel buttons looked instantly familiar. Thanks for the blast from the past!
FINALLY a new video. I LOVE LGR!
Even from the video looks awesome. I can't imagine how good it looks from up close. I love CRTs!
We need an ASMR of LGR smelling old computers, and computer hardware while describing the scent in a duke nukem voice.
That scent brings back memories. They don't smell like they used to.
you would die of too much nerdiness.
That's so awesome Clint, I'm very close in age to you and my brother and I grew up smelling EVERYTHING new as well.. From CD booklets, magazines, school stationary and of course ELECTRONICS, especially electronics. I used to love the smell of brand new NES catridges in the 80s'. Your channel brings such nostalgia sometimes my eyes start to water. thank you.
My old boss gave me a LG CRT from around 2003
It's 22' I think and supports up to a resolution of 2304x1440 it's really sharp, the colour range is just really wide and vibrant and it has 80hz refresh rate
It was made for design proposes and costed 1000€ + at the time so yeah it was a great gift
watching this to vicariously live out my dream of owning a computer monitor thats older than me
I still have several of those boxes from 2001. They make great moving and storage boxes.
I have in storage a brand-new, still unopened 21-inch CRT monitor made by Sun MicroSystems that I bought back in like 2013 for a few hundred bucks - hoarding that one until my current 22-inch Phillips CRT dies.
LGR: "CRTs don't last forever"
Adrian Digital Basement: "Hold my beer"
Until the tube degrade then you do nothing to fix it ... they have few years yet and will be dead whatever you try to fix.
Learn something new every day. Had know idea that monitors could reach 120 HZ back then. All so looking forward to the VCF footage.
Hi, Clint. Iirc you said a while back you don't use Facebook, but I have a group called CRT PC Monitor Club. Feel free to join, anyone, but make sure to answer the entry question properly.
This one could probably do 160hz at 1080*810i using custom resolutions. Interlaced looks completely okay at pc resolutions and high refresh rates. Don't confuse it with 480i or 576i. 160hz interlaced on a pc monitor doesn't flicker at all the way 50hz or 60hz (25hz or 30hz field rate) on a tv flickers.
I used to play cs go in 1600*1200i at 200hz on an Iiyama monitor. It looked pretty much perfect and still better than any LCD I've ever seen, even brand new ones. That monitor is actually able to do 480i at 425hz, I'm not kidding, I've tried it. It's obviously pointless for games but interesting in any case. It has a Nec/mitsubishi Diamondtron tube. Mine is the older M2 type, which is flat face but cylindrical on the inside and constant pitch. The later revisions had a U2 tube, which is flat on both the inside and outside and has variable pitch. The later ones had much less haloing around the sides of bright objects. I could ramble on forever about CRTs 😂
I have two 21" Eizo monitors on my desktop pc, but I haven't used it/them for months due to life. One of those is actually able to do 4k/2160p. Yes. I'm not lying. It looks sharp and fine. Checkerboard test pattern looks gray, but black and white lines test patterns show the separate scanlines. Horizontally however, the monitor is not able to resolve the full color but it draws on subpixels, just like modern pentile matrix screens. Any 1px wide line is still shown, and text is readable, but you have to sit real close. For gaming though, it looks awesome. Completely breathtaking, in fact. I used to play Minecraft in 4k on this monitor for a while. It was insanely sharp both in motion and statically, due to crts having no motion blur.
And people in the comments being in denial about everything I've experienced in 3 2 1... 😂
Great video on this beautiful old CRT monitor! That manufacture date of April, 2004 was really surprising to me as well! Have fun at the show!
I remember the odd resolution 1152 x 864 very specifically, because that was the maximum resolution my old Sony monitor was able to run at 100 Hz. Any lower refresh rate made me notice the CRT flicker, and tired my eyes out, which they apparently are sensitive to. That was also the unfortunate reason I never could like Plasma TVs although they were superior to LCDs in many ways. I immediately noticed the Plasma flicker, and could never look at them for prolonged periods. Good old days.
85hz was my minimum. The 60hz at school at the time used to annoy me but AFAIK no-one else was bothered or even noticed it
@@cjshields2007 I had the exact same experience, everyone I knew was ok with 60Hz, which was confusing. It seems we're the minority who has overly sensitive eyes or something.
85Hz was where I could tell there was flickering, but I'd not get eye strain because of it unless I spent the whole day staring at the monitor. 100 was the sweet spot, and I could not tell the difference between 100 and 120.
great to see this! I used to work at NEC (in Japan) so this really brings me back
i had this monitor as a kid, complete with the built in speakers on the monitor base
Met you today and saw the monitor in person. Thanks for talking MIDI gear with me!
Nice! I'm hoping to find a good condition used CRT for my dosbox battle station setup and a real model m of course
I had this EXACT same monitor back in the day - LOVED IT!!!! Thank you for jogging old memories :)
Nec made a version of this with speakers in the monitor stand, they were surprisingly decent for how small they were
"You've got to smell your old components. They've been around a while...they've earned that aroma." LOL Heck yeah!
Only LGR can make an old monitor I had as a kid fascinating.
Was bidding on a similar one for cheap and now i know why the price suddenly went sky high. But a lovely video as always man.
LGR: the man that can make even a CRT monitor unboxing entertaining.
Even in the video it looks super sharp! 👍
i have a monitor very similar to this. even new games look great on crts
And you can get great framerates because lower resolutions don't look bad on them!
The best channel on TH-cam for chilling years in a row! Keep it up lgr
I remember having an CTX 17" Flat Panel CRT 1280*1024@100 Hz (max res. was 1600*1200@72Hz) monitor. It was a quite rare model in my area. With my main PC (AMD Athlon XP 3000+/ 1 GB DDR 400/GF FX 5600 256 MB VGA ant 120 GB HDD) it was a quite good pair. Eh, good old times.....
Impressive
Had a 36" Nec Multisync XP37 Xtra and it was awesome as this one. Crisp, geometry nearly perfect and it also had component inputs.
Word from the wise: Halo PC looks absolutely spectacular on these.
Keep an eye on the Season 8 update for MCC for when it releases, as they are going to fix (i tried it during beta testing) the colors of CE to have restored contrasts and darkness to match OG Xbox gamma and brightness, it looks a bit too dark and washed out on my IPS panel because of IPS glow but this will look FANTASTIC on a CRT.
That's very cool that you go to vintage computer festivals... Its important people remember what computers were like 20 years ago, for those who are late teenagers now they grew up with iphones. Its amazing how far things have come along over the last 20 years, just think iphones are now coming up on 15 years now, kids have no idea what it was like back then so that's pretty awesome. Its our youth that remembers these time so thank you for bringing back all these memories...
Everyone needs a few good CRTs if they want the real experience!
It will probably cost you more to eventually dispose of this monitor than it just cost you 🤔
I'm hoping to find one for my dosbox battle station
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz battle station sounds intimidating!
He’s probably not going to put enough hours on it to kill it… so it’ll never get disposed of. Re-capped? Sure. But not trashed. 😉
@@UncleMikeRetro Iol it will be once it's fully armed and operational
@@darkwinter6028 I thought the same with my CRTs but then one day it refuses to work... and sometimes you gotta just part ways
This is giving me the ultimate warm and fuzzies. Especially being someone who started out playing PC games in the mid-80s. Great stuff
120HZ CRT : oh okay...
120HZ OLED : UuuuuUUuHhhh smoooootthhhh....
Hush now! Don't scare the kids!
Holy cow! NEC. I had a slightly different model, but looks almost the same. What great tech! It was by far the most expensive single component of my first pro-level computer setup, (I launched an indie comics publishing company in the late 90's).
"Booowwg!" boot-up sound. (Mine was much louder than yours.)
Man, I remember these old chonkers. Had to have a pretty big desk to set it on…I have memories of fiddling with the settings every time it started going funny, trying to make the picture look….bearable, tbh.
So awesome, man those were dream monitors back in the day.
I picked up several monitors like this back when they were dirt cheap at thrift stores for about $5 each. While others liked their then hi-res modes, I always preferred the high refresh rate at low resolutions instead. Anything at 85 Hz or higher is perfect for me.
Nostalgia overload for CRT monitors. I'm glad to see that kind of monitor display is as great as I remember it being.
And people wonder why games were a lot "smoother" when they were younger.
it also literally smoothen low resolution image.
The bad thing is that you get your eyes tired very fast
@@apoenaferraz3512 idk my older crt never did that back in the day.
The old i bought few months ago does though, pretty badly.
@@apoenaferraz3512 ive spend dozens of hours in 90th with ТЕМП Ц280Д and my ZX-Spectrum - just google that 'monitor' 😂 PS: still have 100% of visual acuity (i'm 40 yo))) ) PPS: and first real monitor was Samsung 3NE 14"
Is this why when I play half-life 1 on good hardware it just seems... off? Holy shit I need a crt for my old games then.
This is so relaxing and soothing to watch and listen to, aaah... those were the days... "The grass was greener, the light was brighter"...
Damn, I miss the old days :(
get them back you can buy it back
I've been watching LGR videos late at night/early in the morning. I like the relaxed vibes.
Wish I could get these oop norf over here in England. Unfortunately, we were QUITE eager to get them all tossed into the tip it seems.
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Well I got one, UT at 640x480@100 is fun.
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Got another one, UT at 640x480@160 is even more fun!
I love the care you take for the subtitles 😆